It also suggests it was someone local, but not too local who left it there. It seems to be an…
It also suggests it was someone local, but not too local who left it there. It seems to be an…
Here’s the Liz Warren footage that Kel posted about upthread. https://x.com/leadingreport/status/1884664267699319006?s=43 Many many lols.
Next they’ll be wanting us to tip the postman.
“If only we knew what was behind this” * *pending comments from the NSW doughnut eaters.
It goes on and on and on…in news just in…….. A home neighbouring a Jewish primary school in Sydney’s eastern…
Good evening.
If you interested in an up to date book on paleoanthropology The World Before Us by Tom Highham is worth a read.
Of course, it’s possible that God both exists and doesn’t exist, simultaneously.
Maybe everyone gets exactly what they want.
Atheists and believers.
It’s no less unlikely than the fact that we exist at all in the first place.
And maybe the Buddhists get to go around again and again, and again, never quite getting it right.
Wouldn’t that be awful?
Frankly, although I choose to believe in God, not least because it really pisses off some truly abysmal individuals, the idea of eternity, specially if it involved going around again from beginning, is horrifying.
Dear Lord, let me go after this one is over.
It’s been all I wanted, no more, no less.
One thing I am sure of, is that the prosaic world as depicted by the dull and literal “sciency” types isn’t anything to chase after. Their dreary perception of existence is their own reward.
A great clip to show to little ones.
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Woof Bark Growl:
Cash 2.0 Great Dane-deer at The Grove 2024 (1 of 8)
Thanks Steve. Cash appears so tranquil. Even in that crowd with all the people patting him he seems unperturbed, although he does enjoy the attention.
I forgot to add: who is the asshole that downticked your comment!? I upticked.
Someone must have downticked it – it was -1 when I arrived and of course I upticked it. Currently at zero so there are two arseholes.
Evolution:
Doesn’t explain the substrate of reality.
Depends upon a chemical/ physical reality that is highly improbable.
Mechanism of evolution has to have evolved into existence, but can’t have done so before there was such a mechanism -> dilemma.
Doesn’t explain purpose.
Deeply unsatisfying from a narrative perspective.
Belief of such, in practice leads to many undesirable outcomes.
God:
Works as an explanation on multiple levels of reality.
Satisfying narrative, powerful story.
Pisses off the right people.
Leads to positive outcomes in practice, therefore congruent with reality.
(33) Christopher Hitchens’ epic opening statement (Must see) – YouTube
Too late and too tired to read so I’ll try once again to take out the Nork position and rescue the hostage.
Victory!
Sooo, that’s where you are hiding?
Didn’t know ‘dillos can do that.
The ‘Dillo can do many things – except bounce.
Nice XM or XP?
Great old pumps, worth a mint these days.
Suits and ties and stockings in 46 degrees heat?
XM.
Our neighbour at that time was a lovely helpful German who once showed primary school me the scar on his shoulder and missing back teeth where he stopped two Russian bullets while defending Berlin as a 16 y o.
Not surprisingly he loved solitude and spent half of each year in far North SA looking for opals.He would have known that service station just as it is shown.
No Falcons for him- he maintained that only early 50s Chrysler products – the old flathead 6 powered Plymouths,
Dodges DeSotos and early Chrysler Royals- were durable enough for that country.
How about that! Knew that place well.
I lived at the 8 Mile in 1971/72, less than half a mile from Wilson.
Yes Foxbody. We had a flathead Dodge Ute. Couldn’t kill it.
Those folks would have been passing through. Far too flash to be locals – the car and them.
PS Wilson owned the garage, not the field.
Had an XM 2 door pillarless same colour. Sludge-O-Matic. Nice car.
Winter
cardigans
Wheat stacks at Port Wakefield, South Australia 1911.
About 160 thousands of them, or more sometimes.
Waiting to be transported by ketches out to the waiting large ships,
According to records those sacks had to be handled at least six times before finally in the holds of those ships and then unloading, yet still profitable.
Do you know the weight of them? They’d be 40/50 kilo at least.
Just over 80 kg.
The strongest blokes would lug two at a time.
A bag of wheat when we were buying it for chook feed weighed 112 lbs
i used to throw them around but I was a strong girl
Another view.
He’s back! Johannes Leak.
Mark Knight.
Peter Broelman.
Brett Lethbridge.
Dave Brown.
Tom Stiglich.
Al Goodwyn.
Ben Garrison.
https://youtu.be/wr3p7xDvMgw
Landslides – common in the Western regions of China.
Poor buggers.
Winston Smith
December 2, 2024 5:38 am
Sorry I deleted the link I got the picture from, but a commenter said his grandfather was lumping wheat at harvest and he was 65 Kg and the bags weight was more than that, he was shearing at other times and by the age of fifty he could do no more heavy work.
Not surprised.
Standard weight of a bag of wheat is about 80 t0 82 Kg, that is now!
Imagine being on the crew that loaded a freighter by hand. Or they probably used a crane and loaded a couple of ton at a time on a sling.
The ones I handled were same as potato bags.
180 lb
All this religious speculation…. Here, let me throw something else in the mix.
Didn’t think of that one, did you?
Kim Williams’ diatribe about Joe Rogan has been picked up by ZeroHedge. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. Thanks Rupert for promoting this dictator over the years. I’m sure the Liberals will defund the ABC promptly when they get in. /sarc.
Someone got out on the wrong side of the bed? The sun is shining, the birds are singing and life is very, very good.
It is indeed.
RFK Jrs wife is trying to make money off of his Make America Healthy Again campaign. Typical lowlife Democrat.
Stupid
If it’s wheat the bag wt will be 80kg.
General rule of thumb:
3 bushels = 1 bag (volume)
12 bags/tonne wheat
15 bags/tonne barley, canola
18-20 bags/ tonne oats
11-12 bags/tonne lentils
50 bags/tonne political and administrative bullshit. (Aus)
So it’s based on the bag size being the standard?
Something I didn’t know.
Welcome to the NewCat!
What did a bag of super weigh? I want to say 90 but lbs sounds too light and kgs sounds too heavy. Anyway, I dropped a bag when loading the seeder and it was a lot heavier than a bag of barley.
hundred weight bags? 112 lbs.
Yep about right, still selling and hand loading 50 kg bags of mill run, pollard and bran right into early 2000’s
One thing I am sure of, is that the prosaic world as depicted by the dull and literal “sciency” types isn’t anything to chase after. Their dreary perception of existence is their own reward.
So, given a choice between hard uncomfortable facts and a warm comforting story, you’ll choose the nice narrative every time.
You and loads of other old women.
women in general
What do you make of McGilchrist, Dr BeauGan?
I’ve read only commentary of his work, not the original. That’s enough for me. It appears to be sentimental tosh eked out by dubious neurophysiology.
I think our understanding of brain functioning is too primitive to serve as a foundation for any broad philosophising, and I am not sympathetic to broad philosophising anyway. I think science has worked reasonably well and has revealed a beautiful and astonishing universe, far beyond the scope of literary men. So I feel that literary men should shut up.
I also feel that the bureaucratic mentality has more or less destroyed science. It was good while it lasted. But the forces of stupidity and power hunger have been too much for it.
Charging Netanyahu with War Crimes Shows the ICC Is Illegitimate and Not Fit for Purpose
Sky News: Kash Patel is a controversial figure!
I don’t recall them ever saying this about Mayorkas, Schumer, Milley, Nadler, Pelosi, Comey, Wray, Yellen, Buttigieg, Granholm or Levine, to name just some.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The legacy meja deserves to die and it can’t come soon enough.
I dreamt a year or so ago that someone had let loose a box of about 100 Brown snakes into the Herald offices.
Because they couldn’t guarantee the safety of the wukkas, the building was torn down and the Herald went broke.
I sometimes have very nice dreams.
The FBI is probably the most corrupt agency in the US (perhaps tied with DOJ) but this is how the Atlantic views the attempt to clean it up. Like choirboys under attack.
A Constitutional Crisis Greater Than Watergate
I see no mention of the FBI in the constitution, so how can it be a constitutional crisis?
@EndWokeness
On July 6th, 2019 the FBI raided the townhouse of Jeffrey Epstein in NY.
Agents found a safe filled with CDs, passports, hard drives and more.
They found binders of CDs loaded with explicit photos of his underage victims (presumably clients too).
Total blackout by the FBI on this.
I bet they’ve been destroyed.
Even if originals were destroyed there are still copies out there to keep some people in line.
Nope.
Now the FBI is doing the blackmailing.
Mossad would have all the material anyway, given Ghislane’s background.
@VivekGRamaswamy
The real “threat to our democracy” is the unelected federal bureaucracy.
@bennyjohnson
@TomFitton
@GuntherEagleman
BREAKING: Senator Ted Cruz has backed Kash Patel for FBI Director!!!
This is HUGE!
This One Thing Has Changed Between Men And Women
Summary:** In this video titled “This One Thing Has Changed Between Men and Women,” the presenter reflects on the significant shifts in public perception regarding women over the last decade or more, particularly influenced by online discourse and the manosphere. He argues that while society still maintains some gynocentric attitudes, there has been a noteworthy increase in awareness among men that women are not perfect and can engage in harmful behaviors. This change, he believes, has been fueled by the internet and has allowed men to better navigate relationships and dating dynamics. The presenter predicts that these shifting perceptions will have further consequences in the near future, particularly in light of ongoing societal divides between men and women. — **Key Points:** 1. **Change in Public Perception**: – Over the last 10 to 15 years, the perception of women has evolved significantly. – The media historically portrayed men negatively while elevating women’s status. – The internet has contributed to a growing awareness among men regarding women’s flaws and behaviors. 2. **Manosphere Influence**: – The manosphere has played a crucial role in changing how men view women. – While it is a broad and varied community, it has encouraged open discussions about women’s behavior. 3. **Deconstruction of Perfection Narrative**: – Society’s long-held belief that women are angelic and cannot do wrong is being challenged. – Men are increasingly aware that women can engage in harmful behaviors, and that not every negative situation is the man’s fault. 4. **Political Implications**: – The election cycle, specifically men’s support for Donald Trump, reflects the growing discontent with negative portrayals of men and the overwhelming gynocentrism present in society. – Men are becoming more vocal about their experiences and perceptions. 5. **Influence on Relationships**: – The video discusses how the online discourse has provided men with tools to navigate dating and relationships more cautiously. – Awareness of women’s negative behaviors could lead to better decision-making in romantic pursuits. 6. **Greater Awareness Leads to Change**: – The emergence of social media and online platforms has allowed for greater discussion and acknowledgment of women’s misconduct. – Although society still supports many gynocentric structures, individual men are beginning to push back against these narratives. 7. **Future Predictions**: – The presenter anticipates a growing divide between men and women, predicting that tensions may escalate. – The awareness of women’s imperfections will likely continue to influence men’s actions and responses moving forward. 8. **Need for Ongoing Discussion**: – The presenter encourages continued discussions about these shifts and emphasizes the importance of the insights gained from shared experiences among men
Zippy, these wordwalls are a turnoff so I don’t attempt to read them.
She really comes out swinging. Nice to look at too.
@WesternLensman
@KatiePavlich scorches corrupt Andrew McCabe over his bashing of Kash Patel:
“He is one of the top people who has been has destroyed the reputation of the FBI…They’re conflating retribution with accountability.”
100% correct. This is brutal:
“First, let’s talk about former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired. He was fired for leaking information to the media. The inspector general of the Department of Justice referred him for criminal prosecution. He is one of the top people who has been has destroyed the reputation of the FBI over the past ten years. There’s been no accountability for him.”
“They’re conflating retribution with accountability. And Kash Patel not only has the experience on foreign policy, but also on domestic policy as well, with all of his work rooting out this corruption use for political purposes against political enemies inside the intelligence communities and on Capitol Hill.”
“They’re conflating retribution with accountability.”
Such wise and repeatable words.
https://jihadwatch.org/2024/12/germany-victim-of-muslim-stabbing-attack-fined-for-inciting-hatred-against-muslim-migrants
Is that the gentleman who, as he was being stabbed, the coppers threw HIM to the ground, then the stabber started stabbing the copper. Finally, one of the other coppers shot and killed the mussie stabber.
Germany is fooked a hundred different ways.
Pogria, that is indeed he. It must be noted that the copper who was stabbed (while wrestling the teutonic victim to the ground) died.
FWIW that’s fairly kinetic support for a claim that political islam may be a threat.
The Bee goes there!
Trump Renews Relations With Castro Regime
Massive, HUGE, guffaw!!!
EXCLUSIVE: Canadian Mother Was Told To Be More “Inclusive” After Complaining About A Male Wearing A “Child’s Bikini” While Showering With Young Girls At Her Local Pool
An enraged parent is going to flip out one day and kill one of these deviants. I don’t want to see it happen, but if they insist on pushing these boundaries, it WILL happen.
Perhaps it’s worthwhile to force these venues to actively display their policy outside where people can see they may be confronted with males in the childrens dressing rooms.
Liverpool 2-0 Manchester City. Puts them 11 points up which we can only dream of. Just magnifique
Pa – beware the ferocious upredictzble team from west yorkshire
JK Rowling Might Have Just Won the Culture War
Warner Bros have wisely taken on board what is happening to a former Titan, Disney, and how they are now circling the drain.
Warner Bros have decided they would prefer to make money.
Who’d a thought? hah.
Trump Has Sought Orban’s Take On Ukraine War, Sources Tell RFE/RL
False dichotomy. One can have both facts and stories. Facts need not necessarily be uncomfortable, and many stories are neither warm nor comforting.
Democrats have a ‘smug’ problem
All lefties do now that they think they own the world.
@JackPosobiec
When someone tells you Kash Patel isn’t ‘professional enough’ to lead the FBI, just show them a picture of the people who currently work there
@JackPosobiec
NEW: Tons of current FBI field agents are quietly pulling for Kash. They know HQ needs fixing and he has the chops to do it – but if they speak out HQ will come down on them, per multiple federal agents and officials
I met my lady while visiting her farm as a youth
Her father and uncle were sewing wheat bags.
I was unable to lift a bag onto the truck.
Embarrassment.
But, you got better? 😀
Good thing it was empty, bons.
That would have been embarrassing if it were full.
That me Bons
Chris Bowen breaks astonishingly astonishing news:
Australia’s rooftop solar revolution reaches astonishing new heights14 November 2024
Two weeks later, more astonishment:
AEMO wants emergency powers to switch off solar in every state amid fears of ‘system collapse’
Trust me here, this is not a FIGJAM moment showcasing any rare and tremendous insight. This is a technically pissy, FMD, blindingly obvious, Electrical Engineering 101 outcome.
The problem now urgently confronting the AEMO Arts/Law community has repeatedly been pointed out by many, many dismal slide-rule autists such as myself over the past years, as the NEM has progressively struggled to physically accomodate rooftop supply. Leaving aside the technical signals (easily overlooked by administrators), in recent years this has been the ultimate cause of negative daytime electricity prices.
No doubt the Australian political and media communities are poised – like crouching jaguars – to pounce on the disconnect between Shitweasel Bowen and the laws of physics. Possibly also to wonder where we are going and whether we will actually like the destination.
Or possibly not.
Top Men.
I had a rooftop solar panels owner complain to me recently that the payments from government? for their input into the grid is way down. I tried not to laugh.
I’m reduced to watching in awed amazement at the disaster we are heading towards while the stagecoach driver and guard gaze, mesmerised with their own cleverness as the cliffs gets closer and closer.
Poised like crouching Jaguar advertising consultants, more like.
Ruinbales are the Goldilocks of energy generation. They only work well when things are just right.
Amanda Stocker disapproves of this sentiment.
Comments, from the Sunday Times, on the article about the Toodyay businessman facing the courts, over the issue of the “rainbow serpent.”
What gets me, is when you see any happening on land be it planting tree’s along the river bed and the like, funny how they are white people , don’t see Indigenous people getting down and getting dirty, and that bloody serpent, man does he travel some distance, man, they are as always only after money…
This mythical serpent is no different to fairy tales told in families of every nationality. Just because it has been told over and over and passed down it is still just a fairy tale.
Zulu,
my mother used to tell the story of the little girl befriending a snake and giving it milk. The story is also found in either Grimm or Andersen Fairy Tales. A friend, who is older than I, is convinced that she used to give milk to a brown snake on the farm where she grew up, and that it bothered the men working there. The sweet little thing use to wait at the stockyards for her. Suuure it did. Knowing farmhands, the snake wouldn’t have been “waiting”, at the stockyards for long. 😀
Maybe Farmers should throw buckets of milk into the waterways and see if that mollifies the Rainbow Serpent. Lol. Offer the natives milk, instead of cash.
Like the Tooth Fairy?
Exactly.
The extraordinary Jiyai Shin won her 65th golf tournament at the Heath yesterday. She is an android.
Meanwhile, my traitorous clubs will continue their well deserved banishment to the back of the garage where they belong. All golf club manufacturers are communists.
Communists, or worse.
Just this weekend I discovered a set lurking on a high shelf in my workshop. My first thought was to get to work with an angle grinder and make them safe – but once I held a silvery shaft in my hand, the siren call started…
A game invented by the devil, with implements ill adapted for the purpose at hand.
“Golf is a superior form of exercise, marred only by the need to hit the ball.” Ulysses S. Grant.
One thing I do NOT miss about running a farm, was loading bags of seed and super, into the combine.
Multiple upticks
Plus 100.
This is why I cannot consider going back now I could; at this age the work would leave me a cripple in about 1 season.
Dirty diesel, eh?
I thought SA ran on 100% renewables?
The media gave little publicity to the Labor party panic after the statewide grid collapse after a rural connector was knocked over in a storm – maybe 7 years ago. This triggered the shutdown of the major interconnector to Victoria and many, many lights went out.
This teaching moment followed the very public explosive demolition of the coal powered power station at Port Augusta by that posturing ninny, Mr Penny Wong, the Premier at the time.
Very soon after that black start event, the State Government quietly spent a cubic motza on giant diesel generators and peaking jet engine type generators.
Many were installed at the former Holden plant, recently vacated, as the major grid connection infrastructure was already in place – others went near the unused de-sal plant for the same reason.
On a still winter evening when all of this green technology is running flat out, Adelaide must have an almost Chinese carbon footprint.
Green marketing, no coal, left wing posturing – as predicted, all trends on that side of politics are melding into a single giant landslide of treason and idiocy.
That was a relatively new (~10 year old) HELE plant too.
Better than EVERYTHING that has replaced it.
Posted to the old OOT by mistake:
One of the favourites of S-F is pantropic augmentation to allow living on new worlds.
Nice story by Roger Zelazny “The Keys to December”. In the collection with the famous “Doors and Lamps” and ” A Rose for Ecclesiates”.
That’s not a logical statement.
See the law of non-contradiction, (Aristotle’s Metaphysics, not the Fargo episode):
“The most certain of all basic principles is that contradictory propositions are not true simultaneously.”
What about sublimation in physics which is an exemption.
Not sure it applies.
Aristotle is referring to logical thought & speech.
He had an iteration of the rule that applied to physics but we’ve moved on considerably “in that space” since. I think that apparent contradictions in physics will eventually submit to rational explanation.
“The most certain of all basic principles is that contradictory propositions are not true simultaneously.”
Schroedinger’s cat is most relieved – assuming it is still alive that is.
However, those attempting to make quantum computers will be very disappointed.
Nice to see the breast beating and wailing about Kash Patel as FBI Director.
He must be the right choice.
The terms ‘Flak’ and ‘Target’ come to mind.
This is a technically pissy, FMD, blindingly obvious, Electrical Engineering 101 outcome.
Unfortunately EE 101 tends to give hurty heads to the Top Men. Who are under the mistaken impression that they are the educated ones.
Scientists and engineers, I have found, have a far better grasp of arts and literature than the arts and literary ppl have of anything technical.
That’s because most engineering schools require students to do interfaculty studies as part of their degree. It’s not the case for arts students.
When I was doing my Chem Eng degree, I couldn’t handle the thought of philosophy or economics, so I chose music. Helped that I passibly play keys.
“Scientists and engineers, I have found, have a far better grasp of arts and literature than the arts and literary ppl have of anything technical.”
lol. Sure you do.
Dr Faustas on Solar Energy:-
We have too much household solar that needs to be curtailed, but they are still subsidizing new Solar Factories at large scale and subsidy cost. Surely they still run on the same sun schedule as rooftop – or if they are in WA, they can help between 3pm and 6pm AEDST -if you don’t mind spending billions on wires to link them to the eastern grid, along with the losses of 3,000 km of line.
An illusion on two counts. Firstly, the ‘choice’ as presented is conducive to your own position while also being part of the narrative story atheists tell themselves: oh, look at us, how ‘bloodied but unbowed’ we are as we stare directly and without blinking at the meaninglessness of the cosmos. And, secondly, that isn’t in fact the choice that people have historically faced, rather, the view that ‘man was the measure of all things’ was not received as a “hard, uncomfortable fact” but as liberating to man, while the view that man was ultimately subject to God’s judgement was received as a ‘hard, uncomfortable” truth.
That’s not a logical statement.
Arky isn’t to be bound by such mundane fiddly things as logic. Or facts. He rises above them, like other Top Men.
The UK press is awash with rumours that Elon Musk is poised to become the major financial backer of Nigel Farage’s Reform Party, to the tune of US$100 million.
He really doesn’t like “two tier” Keir Starmer.
If true, expect a hullabaloo about foreign interference from both Labour & the Tories.
Of course, it could just be that the Establishment is venting its deepest imaginary fear – Farage & Musk joining forces.
Chuckle.
They should have thought of that before they sent people to ‘help’ with Kamala’s presidential campaign…
I do love the term Shitweasel. So evocative, and apt.
my fav is an old scots descriptive. “Sleekit” meaning sly cunning not in a nice way.
Now, now Gentlemen.
Should we not use The Prime Ministers official titles when discussing him?
Oh, I see – you have done.
As you were…
With Advent 2024, the odd-numbered liturgical Cycle C begins. What does this entail?
With the first Sunday of Advent, a new liturgical year begins in the Catholic Church, with the readings corresponding to Cycle C of odd-numbered years. What does this liturgical practice entail?
I found this article from CNA very interesting.
I thought other Catholics here may also.
A range of articles being headlined on The Advertiser website, sounds like renewables are going swimmingly! Pity your crappy paper didn’t bother to cover the risks before Labor went headlong into this lunacy.
A new Dark Ages: Blackouts loom but gas offers energy crisis lifeline
Aussie households face being plunged into summer blackouts unless politicians and regulators take urgent action on gas supplies. See what the experts say needs to happen now.
‘Priced out of existence’: Blunt warning on energy costs
The soaring cost of energy is smashing both Aussie businesses and household budgets. See the alarming increase in gas costs being passed on from manufacturers to Aussie families.
We’re on a road to economic ruin and renewables won’t help
Australia’s small emissions footprint will make no measurable change to climate, but energy prices will change our living standards, writes Alexander Downer.
Very ALPBC thing to do, although the co-op is still all in on renewables.
“man was the measure of all things’ was not received as a “hard, uncomfortable fact””
Exactly.
Some people are so enlightened.
That’s what Eve said.
There are two distinct criteria for choosing a theory. One is Occam’s Razor: given two theories which are both compatible with the data, choose the simpler.
The other is The Great Jones’ Shaving Soap: given two theories which are both compatible with the data, choose the more comforting.
I’m an Occam man.
I find Hanlon’s Razor particularly useful.
Critical thinking and post-modern activist journalism are rarely seen occupying the same space.
That being said, if The Advertiser has now gone sour on renewables then advocates for the latter are losing the propaganda war bigly as harsh reality intrudes into the argument.
That being said, if The Advertiser has now gone sour on renewables then advocates for the latter are losing the propaganda war bigly as harsh reality intrudes into the argument.
Harsh reality tends to do that. Much to the disapproval of the parasitic class.
“You can ignore reality as long as you like, what you cannot ignore, are the consequences, of ignoring reality”.
Too bad about all the wasted money, opportunity cost and damage to the real economy and the environment. Good that reality is finally being accepted though.
Lucky Jim’s spending has also fueled inflation, something Albanese can’t grasp even though he has an Economics degree.
Truly the most irresponsible government since Whitlam’s.
You suspect Albo’s grasp of Economics would be on a par with mUnty’s, although it seems he managed to pass. Working with Uren during the Great Man era can’t have helped.
Whitlam’s lot are starting to look good.
Lucky Jim’s spending has also fueled inflation, something Albanese can’t grasp even though he has an Economics degree.
*no-one* with an economics degree understands economics
Wallet Wizard has Phd in fellating the Clock treasurer
I seriously doubt that Gough would have pissed up against the wall, as much tax money as our current inept regime.
Rex Connor looks like Einstein compared to Bowen, Plibbers, Burke, that Wong bloke et al.
EXPOSED: The STAGGERING hypocrisy of Keir Starmer and the Labour Party
As Dover said, the idea that we are accountable before God is not especially comforting.
Further, when it comes to theories of existence and ultimate truth, it is not immediately clear to me which is the simplest.
Whyalla wipeout:
Jenny George has clearly had her Road to Damascus moment once Liar preselection was no longer on the table.
You cynic!
I think someone here who knows her said she was always a realist.
When the Liars have lost Jenny George …..
Well, that didn’t go as I’d intended.
Welcome back!
Thanks, Bruce.
Do tell…
Still in hospital.
“The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms”
Deuteronomy 33:27 (KJV).
Leaning on the Everlasting Arms
Thank you, P.
Thank God you are still with us.
Thank you, dear Crossie
Thes setbacks are sent to test us.
Hang in there by faith!
https://x.com/RMXnews/status/1861376239749009503
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It looks like the collapse of Europe under the wave of the Islamic Hordes is progressing faster than expected.
From where I’m standing, it will see the Caliphate in two years.
They’re also trying to ban AfD before the election.
The German Establishment in panic mode.
Just imagine being more scared of people who have political views different to yours than of the people who are raping your children.
The people running Germany – and I know I’ve said this before – but they hate Germany for two reasons:
They are determined to destroy Germany and punish its citizens for these crimes. Innocence or guilt have no position in this act of vengeance.
The problem is that Germany will fight back. 75 years of eating Humble Pie notwithstanding.
A lot of German self-hatred on the prog-left goes back to the Hitler experience, which of course has its roots in WWI.
They haven’t quite trusted their fellow countrymen since.
Suggesting that Hitler was in many ways a progenitor of progressive leftism causes them to have conniptions.
Invasion twice (WW1 and 2, they actually won in WW1) and the socialist revolution then govt in Berlin and Bavaria from 1919 ( the bohemian corporal was elected to deputise his battalion’s soviet’s representative to the Bavarian Soviet) . Then the DDR experiment.
Not according to our history books! 😀
Let’s just say they weren’t defeated on the field of battle.
Hence the “stabbed in the back” myth and the rise of Austrian corporal.
I agree with this
Purely a case of the privileged elite picking the softest target.
Bit like the SS groups roaming the rear in 1945 hanging anyone who might be a deserter – i e male between 15 and 65- rather than moving to the front and getting stuck into a Soviet Guards regiment.
The climate fraud is getting even crazier.
Taliban Terrorists Demand Role in All Future U.N. Climate Talks (1 Dec)
Shonks, crooks, standover men and now terrorists.
The Taliban aren’t fools, there are rivers of gold to be had for nothing.
Not comforting that some Stone Age goat herders are smarter than the smartest people in the world.
Will have to get in line behind the Pacific Islanders. They are usually first in line for a handout.
Of course, when the topic of discussion is belief, it’s a fallacy to drag mundane and boring old objectivity into it, as seen from the nest of definitions above.
Recent events, by the way, indicate that the scientists aren’t particularly good at keeping their personal feelings and beliefs, in particular their political beliefs, out of their findings. See climate “science”.
It’s a silly vanity to insist your own subjective beliefs are, in fact and most conveniently, the actual objective truth through which everyone who is “being scientific” must view “reality”.
A white coat does not bestow objectivity.
Go on an aviation forum and ask what causes lift.
Watch a bunch of very well qualified people decamp immediately to their biases, depending on what they were taught and what branch of science or tech they come from.
Ponder “objectivity”.
Objectivity subjectivity blah blah blah. Futile discussion. What matters to me is the accrual of understanding over time. For example, I just read a news item about a new discovery in immunology which has important implications for cancer immunotherapy.
Carry on with your pessimism about the objectivity of science to your heart’s content. Meanwhile scientists are accruing useful knowledge at an astonishing rate and we all benefit from that. Your cynicism contributes diddly swat to human welfare.
You might ponder which part of my argument personally effected you to the extent that you had to start getting personal.
How’s your “objectivity” going?
While continue with your pseudo philosophizing I just finished reading a large review article on coffee consumption. You still don’t get it, you waste far too much time going down rabbit holes that you lose your perspective. Subjectivity is part and parcel of our cognition. As if that is a revelation.
grammar.
ad hom
tautology,
grammar, ad hom, relevance
Staw man.
To a degree this results from specialisation due to the range of scientific fields being so wide these days.
It’s the old blind men and the elephant parable.
My niece is a biologist with a post-grad qualification, but outside her field of specialty she is untutored in science to a degree that astonishes me and I’m merely an educated layman.
I don’t suppose modern miseducation helps much either.
“We may differ in what we know but in our infinite ignorance we are all equal.” Popper.
The cognitive demands for specialization are now much more demanding than in my youth. When I was a thinking person I had circa 60 eTOCs dropping into my inbox every week and would spend Sunday arvos sifting through them. That was a very confined set of subjects. I regularly had hundreds of unread pdfs in my folders.
Is it necessary for people to be knowledgeable across so many domains? There does seem to be a decline in curiosity but rather than putting that down to miseducation(although I should cue Einstein’s famous quote on that issue which indicates the problem is longstanding!) perhaps the modern demands for expertise are overwhelming more and more people. There is no time for “I’m interested in the universe and everything around it.” Peter Cook.
Nor does a wig and gown Roger. Some judges and magistrates are aware that their findings of fact are, in particular at hight level inference drawing, based on their subjective assessment of which party should win. Many however di believe that they’re being objective.
There’s no panacea for human subjectivity, Rafiki, but there are tools in both scientific methodology and the formation & writing of judicial opinions that are meant to provide guardrails against it.
Chrissie tree .. let the decorating commence ..!
Looking Festive and Joyful already!
(Assuming the 2nd descriptor I used has not been trademarked by the Democrats)
As predicted (Paywallian):
Before he leaves office in January, I predict Biden will also pardon other members of his family to protect them from criminal prosecution for treason.
I understand he can only pardon people after they have been convicted, after all the evidence has come out and the full extent of criminality established.
Now, it would be no surprise that Biden knows how criminal they are, but it would be fun listening to them allocute to their crimes in plea deals (they have to get their guilt sorted by 19 Jan). But all those things for which we were called conspiracy nutters being admitted in court would be a hoot.
You are correct.
You cannot be pardoned for a US Federal offence unless you have been convicted.
A mere detail, which has never bothered Washington DC’s criminal establishment.
For them, it is essential there are never consequences for their law-breaking.
“Sky News: Kash Patel is a controversial figure!”
The deep state is terrified by Kash – he knows where the bodies are buried, he has a shovel and he’s not afraid to use it.
Love is love.
Underwater Feminism (2 Dec)
It’s long, excellent and by Daniel Greenfield so well worth RTWTing.
Comic-reading boomer name for brine shrimp: ‘sea monkeys’.
Do the new sea-monkey brides acquire sub-sea citizenship by marriage?
Remember well the adverts in comics for sea monkeys! I never bought any but did sometimes buy some of the stamp packets.
I lusted for the “100 plastic soldiers in a matchbox” option.
Democrat Senator Chris Murphy Vows to Organize and Lead the Trump Resistance Movement in Senate
December 1, 2024 | – Sundance
Surprise!
Who didn’t have DemonRat perfidy on their political bingo cards?
It sure is awash – it chimes nicely with the Starmer Government falling into the pit of failure.
The impact of that sort of money (and the personal influence support Musk brings) on the results of a FPTP election is potentially enough to take Reform to Government.
Sounds implausible, but the 2024 General Election results show the extreme distribution sensitivity between votes and seats:
Potential for a big increase in seats if a Musk/Farage team broadens that voter base only marginally across the board.
Musk better do his due diligence on Farage’s past. The Dirt Machines will be in overdrive (not that they exactly slumbered earlier this year).
First Past the Post offers excellent opportunity for the destruction of the Tories. Compulsory preferential voting less so.
It’s a joke today to speak of objectivity.
We know that everyone, everyone is busy pushing their subjective interests, and building their personal view of reality based upon those interests.
The media utterly failed the objectivity test when the following occurred:
A protest and counter protest attended by left and right early in Trumps first presidency. He stated that there were “good people on both sides”.
Rather than interpret this as roughly meaning that although Trump represented Republicans, he believed that there were good people on the left, the media pointed at some clowns with tiki torches and claimed Trump was stating the far right were “good”.
Reality is complex and presents an observer with a multitude of facts to choose and interpret. Objectivity isn’t in the care taken in choosing, but in knowing that you too have beliefs and biases that will have influenced your choice, and actively countering them. Taking active steps to identify and counter your own biases.
There is little doubt that the religious have biases. But in today’s secular society they are all too aware of them. How could they not be? But, ahh, the atheists. After more than a century of this war on Christian belief, I think it is the atheists who are due for a bout of extreme self examination. They show little sign of doing so, or in many cases of even being able to do so.
So much for “objectivity”.
This kind of reminds me of stats for biomedical students: Assume you have two hypotheses. Which is fair enough in a stats class but skips over the thorny question of how hypotheses are generated. Francis Crick (I think) quipped to the effect that a scientist has to remember that most (?) facts are wrong, and a genuinely new theory should not be expected to reconcile all extant facts.
Apology – Can’t remember if I’ve already posted this and/or it has already been discussed.
But it should explain the data better than any competing theory.
Until the day when a better theory is proposed.
This is how science is meant to progress.
In theory.
😀
Say that twenty times really fast.
OK: Assume you have two
hypothesestheories!From my experience – and I’ve only had direct contact with one scientist who gave me the impression I was in the company of genius – scientists do the exact opposite of what the textbook says. That fella had earlier made discoveries that are now part of the canon. He was sure his intuition was right and no matter how many times his students disproved a pet theory he would not let go of it.
How science actually progresses: one funeral at a time.
That was Planck. It is a generalization that relates to theory building. Science is much more than theory. It is a wide ranging investigation and today it is progresses one hour at a time.
ADF sex offenders to be targeted in royal commission responseBen Packham
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The Albanese government has given the green light to a sweeping crackdown on sexual violence in the Australian Defence Force as it rejects a push for soldiers injured in training to receive the same compensation as those hurt in war.
In its response to the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide released on Monday, the government has also put off a decision on equalising rebates for veterans’ healthcare with those under the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and provided only “in-principle” agreement to establishing a new brain injury program.
The government agreed with the overwhelming majority of the royal commission’s 122 recommendations, committing to a new formal inquiry into sexual violence in the ADF, and new mandatory discharge rules for personnel convicted of sexual offences.
A new “presumption” of discharge will also be introduced for ADF personnel found to have engaged in certain types of sexual misconduct, including sexual assault, sexual harassment, obscene conduct and “intimate image abuse”, while new workplace protections will be provided to victims of sexual misconduct.
“Sexual misconduct and unacceptable behaviour have no place in Defence. The rates of sexual violence being reported in the ADF are completely unacceptable,” the government said in its response.
A new statutory organisation will be established to oversee “enduring and systemic reform” to prevent veterans’ suicide, while new “wellbeing” agency will set up within the Department of Veterans’ Affairs.
The royal commission found DVA was not, in its current form, capable of delivering optimal support to veterans, and that the department, together with successive governments, the ADF and the Department of Defence, had failed to provide adequate support to those who had served their country.
It noted that 1677 serving and former serving defence personnel had died by suicide between 1997 and 2021 – more than 20-times the number killed in active duty over the same period.
The government rejected only one of the royal commission’s recommendations – that it remove the so-called “service differential” for permanent impairment that sees higher payouts for those injured during operational service than those injured during training.
“The government acknowledges there are differing views in the veteran community about the service differential,” it said.
“It notes that while all veterans, including reservists, are able to access support and assistance for all conditions linked to their service through DVA, the service differential is a long-standing feature of Australia’s support for veterans which sees higher levels of compensation provided for injuries or illness incurred in operational type service.”
The government “noted”, without agreeing or disagreeing, the royal commission’s recommendation for the fees paid for veterans’ health care, including consultations with psychologists and psychiatrists, be boosted to the same level as those for NDIS recipients.
It acknowledged the fee gap “can have a negative impact on access for veterans”, and agreed there was a need to consider veteran health care pricing arrangements. It said the recommendation would, in part, be considered in the context of wider changes to health and aged care support.
“The royal commission found DVA was not, in its current form, capable of delivering optimal support to veterans, and that the department, together with successive governments, the ADF and the Department of Defence, had failed to provide adequate support to those who had served their country.“
Completely and utterly unacceptable.
I know – we can get the extra money needed from an (additional) tax on parliamentary superannuation payments – won’t cost a single vote!
In my opinion, Dave whose back is fecked for life from surviving a 2 Commando or SAS Blackhawk training accident should get very strong support indistinguishable from that active service.
Just listened to 2 ABCTV reports on events in Syria and they were just terrible. It’s like 2012 all over again.
There’s a Daily Mail article if you really want to get into serious self harm. 😀
Linky.
The ALPBC is particularly bad on the Middle East.
Really interesting yesterday witnessing stories appear of a coup taking place in Damascus. A lot of pysops agents outed themselves.
Is there any rational and unbiased information available for us please DB?
I found them during the Russo-Ukraine war. Unless you get the geopolitics more or less right its difficult to discern. I sifted through this or that source, trusting this one and that one while leaving aside others. Trust in people rather than outlets. Look for people that make better predictions of how events may unfold and who are prepared to tell you what they would consider bad news rather than spin something as good news.
Kevork is very good on Syria. First time I’ve come across Jenan but her analysis of the parties and their interests is pretty good.
As always, the question, cui bono, is a good analytic.
I think that story has now been debunked.
There is some confusion however, as to the whereabouts of Assad.
One story claimed he was in talks with the Putin, but there is no confirmation of this from Ivan.
Of course, this doesn’t mean he is not there, just that it hasn’t been verified.
I don’t think Assad is in Putin’s good books currently.
Which story Rufus, Assad in Moscow? I think he was there Friday. Returned to Damascus and received Iran FM Sunday.
Assad may have conceded Aleppo to force Russia’s and Iran’s hand. Incredible move if true.
grammar.
ad hom
tautology.
grammar, ad hom, relevance.
Straw man.
Where did this hysteria on the part of the Democrats come from? I don’t understand it. Is it just this generation of women, because I can’t remember any others behaving like this. My sisters would never behave like this, nor any other woman I’m related to.
Perhaps the lady NewCats can explain because I’m genuinely nonplussed by the level of out of controlness in the female demographic.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/democrat-strategist-claims-us-military-will-shoot-her/
Rather than interpret this as roughly meaning that although Trump represented Republicans, he believed that there were good people on the left, the media pointed at some clowns with tiki torches and claimed Trump was stating the far right were “good”.
It is taken as a given that the left is “good” (can do no wrong) ?so he must have been referring to the right.
This is going to work out really well.
Obviously, paternity leave is a step too far.
Belgium Law Grants Prostitutes Access to State Benefits, Maternity Leave, Legal Contracts
What next? Compulsory ‘sex industry’ work experience in schools?
So the Biden criminal family makes millions and gets off scot free.
The paradox is that the rooftop solar needs to be curtailed to make room for grid-scale solar (and associated batteries, if they come at all).
Renewables investors are not keen to pony up with the big dough – only to have to compete with rooftop aggregators for daytime market space. Or compete with each other in the after-dark battery market.
A field of unintended consequences, populated by grifters and naïfs.
Grid scale solar farms are already being curtailed, since AEMO can do that but can’t easily do so for millions of rooftops.
Note how large scale solar output is flattened but rooftop has the classic hill shape. I can’t see large scale solar farms being financially viable for much longer.
(From Jonova couple days ago.)
Large scale solar production was never financially viable, hence the need for perpetual subsidies for electricity “too cheap to meter”.
John H:
Does it mention that Aboriginals had a flourishing space program 200,000 years ago?
If not, it will never sell.
Well, it won’t sell outside public libraries and the shattered remnants of their spacefaring journeys and their colonies on Tau Ceti.
It is taken as a given that the left is “good” (can do no wrong) ?so he must have been referring to the right.”
And, of course, the “fine people” comment was taken completely out of context – Trump immediately followed this with “And I’m not talking about the Nazi’s and white supremacists, because they should be condemned utterly.”
None of the yellow-stream media report this, even when brought to their attention. Disgusting. Trump is dead-on to call them out as “fake news”.
https://jihadwatch.org/2024/12/austria-19-migrants-gang-raped-12-year-old-girl-repeatedly-over-the-course-of-months
I can understand the government – cowardly dhimmis that they are – refuse to do anything about this, but when are the going to allow the fathers and brothers of these girls to deal with these animals as they would be dealt with in their own nations and cultures?
Father and brothers of one of the girls that was abused in Rotherham beat pizz and pickhandles out of a couple the abusers, and were fined for taking the law into their own hands.
Rooftop solar – our battery is full and we are pumping 4,4KW into the grid.I am sure its not needed.
We have the battery to power my wife’s inflatable mattress and hospital bed in the event of a blackout.Battery should be good for a few hours.
I think we now get 5c a KW so its not economic.
Paying it off over 5 years interest free.
Morsie, what kind of battery setup do you have? From what I know of those mattress bed combinations, they take a not inconsiderate amount of power.
More to the point what inverter do you have? We have a decent battery, but if power goes out, battery no work because inverter is not on
If power goes out we are hard wired not to use solar because of the hazard to line workers from bad isolations.
So there’s no point in getting a battery for your solar power because they refuse a connection?
I have a genset but I have to turn the power over to it for it to work, is that different?
We have a Tesla battery.Ibelieve if power goes out it will keep working but as a Luddite I could be totally wrong
Winston I just finished reading it. It raises some interesting questions about the impact of Denisovan genes but activists have so much prohibited the acquisition of DNA further research is near futile. Generally, ~50,000 year with strong genetic linkages to PNG.
Some Brits wrote that aborigines were the most backward people they had ever encountered, which is remarkable given how close Ireland is. IIRC Darwin compared them to the Fuegians living a wretched existed at the asshole of S. America.
Now for the book on slime but first I must wipe out a few NORK tanks.
OI! As a 48% Irish person, I must… must…hmmm.
What Nork tanks?
I’m part Irish Winston, just riffing on the historical hatred.
Crysis, next goal is to rescue hostages and take out North Korean tanks. Failed so went for a walk.
OK – I’m more into games like World at War – Stalingrad, a refurbished board game, and the Age of Empires series put out by Steam.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/12/not-transgender-women.php
This is lovely:
Or….
Testing
Lidia Thorpe issues public ‘apology’ after Pauline Hanson threatened to SUE her over ‘convicted racist’ comment
Daily Mail.
Father and brothers of one of the girls that was abused in Rotherham beat pizz and pickhandles out of a couple the abusers, and were fined for taking the law into their own hands.
Dead men tell no tales and pigs is good.
A family member of mine once owned a house at Nagambie and reckoned all the towns folk were adamant the empty abandoned mine shafts out Whroo/Rushworth way held the odd disposed body.
Ditto Coober Pedy.
Yep – not allowed to defend their wives, girlfriends and daughters from these animals. Which leads to the inevitable 8 pigs are your friend.
It’s time we woke up to the fact that our law and justice enforcers are on the side that is not us.
It leads to a very bad place.
Congratulations Arky. Famed Sufi philosopher (“The Greatest Master”) agrees with you as shown in these extracts from
https://www.thecollector.com/ibn-arabi-existence-vs-non-existence/
As to Roger’s objection in terms of logic:
“Father and brothers of one of the girls that was abused in Rotherham beat pizz and pickhandles out of a couple the abusers, and were fined for taking the law into their own hands.”
Is there a gofundme for these guys?
Albo v Plibbers in Teh Paywallian. 568 comments and counting. The drums are beating.
For the record I give Plibbers no chance. If Albo survives as a minority government (which I doubt will happen) he will be given the opportunity to retire after 12 months. 2025 should be interesting.
Hopefully interesting in a good way, that is, getting rid of these malicious incompetents.
That is a fine thought, unless the other cheek of the same arse, (LNP), get in.
If people vote in Labor, or the substandard, unqualified “blue” incompetents, the authoritarian, draconian Green policies, will continue.
Didn’t Plibbers pull out last time, for, ……., “family reasons!”
Lol!
Nothing whatever to do with Labor heavies visiting and telling her she is useless.
Of course, they ceded the high moral ground on this one when they despatched Cool Brittannia operatives to the New World to lecture rednecks about voting for Orange Hitler.
Barry was not averse to adding his 2c on the UK.
Pubs group apologises for Australia Day ‘ban’
Hospitality giant Australian Venue Co has apologised for directing the managers of more than 200 pubs under its portfolio to abstain from Australia Day celebrations.
In a previous statement an AVC spokesperson said the company had “decided not to specifically celebrate a day that causes hurt for some of our patrons”, but quickly walked back its comments by Monday afternoon.
“We can see that our comments on the weekend have caused both concern and confusion. We sincerely regret that – our purpose is to reinforce community in our venues, not divide it,” an AVC spokesperson said.
“It is not for us to tell anyone whether or how to celebrate Australia Day. We acknowledge that and we apologise for our comments. It certainly wasn’t our intention to offend anyone.
“We employ 9600 people across the country. And we welcome 15 million patrons each year to our venues. Across our community of team members and patrons, many different views are held and we acknowledge that.
“Whether you choose to celebrate Australia Day or not, everyone is welcome in our pubs, always. We have been, and are always, open over Australia Day and we continue to book events for patrons”
AVC is a subsidiary of the foreign private equity firm PAG, which recently contemplated offloading the restaurant and pub group.
Oz
Too late mate.
Doesn’t exactly say that they will now celebrate Australia Day, just that you can if you want, in their pub. No thanks.
Yep, weasel worded sorry statement.
The blowback must have been EPIC!
Couple of my favourites were on that list. The SP contacted the president of a group that has quarterly lunches at another to suggest finding a new venue asap.
Being reported that PAG is Chinese owned.
An alliance between the aboriginal industry and Celestial interests- just another straw in the wind.
Comedy news (the Hun):
Okay. Not funny.
That’s a bit better…
A bit each way now…
Ah. Scrotes vs scrotes then. Now that’s funny.
Albo v Plibbers in Teh Paywallian. 568 comments and counting. The drums are beating.
And the knives are sharpening – the political killing season is upon us.
The Sleaze is hated by many in his Cabinet. Blackout Bowen even more.
Shitweasle – that suits so much.
No way they can knock him off now. Not a Hawke/Hayden situation. Albo is there because there literally is no one else.
The Crisis in Cosmology Just Got So Much Worse
Sky News had an academic called Dr. Harry Melkonian on to discuss Trump’s picks for the new admin. It was bleeding obvious that he was pushing the “controversial” line, and no surprise that he seems to be a favourite of the ABC.
Nothing controversial about Kamala Harris being “qualified” to be President, oh no!
The misinformation/disinformation daily spin cycle of the MSM makes complete farce of all the concern trolling that they – and the usual pollie suspects do on the subject.
Albo v Plibbers in Teh Paywallian. 568 comments and counting. The drums are beating.
Albo or Plibeserk? Is that the best the ALP can cough up? Probably.
The Liars (and Lieborals) aren’t brimming with talent. The last of the R-G-R deadwood. The Liar Left calling the shots these days which doesn’t help.
Tony Abbott was the last politician Australians were excited about and still got nothing.
We got an idea what he was up against when Lord Waffleworth assumed the reins.
Well strike me with a feather ….
Pubs group apologises for Australia Day ‘ban’
James Dowling
Hospitality giant Australian Venue Co has apologised for directing the managers of more than 200 pubs under its portfolio to abstain from Australia Day celebrations.
In a previous statement an AVC spokesperson said the company had “decided not to specifically celebrate a day that causes hurt for some of our patrons”, but quickly walked back its comments by Monday afternoon.
“We can see that our comments on the weekend have caused both concern and confusion. We sincerely regret that – our purpose is to reinforce community in our venues, not divide it,” an AVC spokesperson said.
“It is not for us to tell anyone whether or how to celebrate Australia Day. We acknowledge that and we apologise for our comments. It certainly wasn’t our intention to offend anyone.
“We employ 9600 people across the country. And we welcome 15 million patrons each year to our venues. Across our community of team members and patrons, many different views are held and we acknowledge that.
“Whether you choose to celebrate Australia Day or not, everyone is welcome in our pubs, always. We have been, and are always, open over Australia Day and we continue to book events for patrons”
AVC is a subsidiary of the foreign private equity firm PAG, which recently contemplated offloading the restaurant and pub group.
Too late. Many informal consumer boycotts are already underway. For example, Paul Murray on Sky last night said he would never again visit his local, which is one of the venues in question.
Our two best locals are not on that list so they’re safe. But a couple of others a bit closer to the city that are listed have copped a consumer shellacking.
These DEI idiots at senior level really are incredibly dumb assuming everyone feels like they do about Oz Day, and don’t know or care that the majority of Australians want to keep it.
Keep picking the scabs – the wounds will never heal.
Scabs picking scabs.
“But because we’re arrogant pricks and you peasants need to be told what to do, we thought we’d give it a try.”
OOOPS!
Lovely painting. Saw this for real in the Tate circa 1990 when they had a yuuge Constable / JMW Turner exhibit. Gazed at those for hours.Glorious paintings from these Masters.
shitweasel (plural shitweasels) (vulgar, slang, humorous) A deceitful and contemptible person.
Yep. That describes Blackout perfectly. He even looks the part.
It’s a neat three card monte trick.
You have your bag man son brought up on minor charges for some stupid shit.
Then you use that as an excuse to give him a blanket pardon for everything he “might” have done in the last ten years.
The neat tricks are always the simple ones.
Movie: Conclave- woke bs.
I’ve bought a water pump just to give me some pressure to use water from the rain tank in the garden. Question, do I need a pump pressure switch also or can I just use the pump and be careful not to let the water tank run dry and kill the pump?
I’d install a water level switch so the pump turns off on low water. Cheap insurance.
The latter.
What Makka said
Thanks guys.
The departments in the Whitlam-Barnard ministry read like the very model of sanity. Early days, but. Fair bit of padding in St Gough’s last ministry.
Then you use that as an excuse to give him a blanket pardon for everything he “might” have done in the last ten years.
?
I’d like to think that SCOTUS might rule that you can only be pardoned for crimes for which you have been charged, tried and convicted.
Tired of winning yet?
I’m surprised scumbag Joe hasn’t included any crimes Hunter might commit in the future.
Be very wary of court historians like Ferguson.
He does not arrive at the knowledge he presents to us in his works through rational means, but through a mystical epistemology that allows him to experience God’s unity, and not merely conceptualize it.
This is known in the West too, where it is called “bullshit”.
Hospitality giant Australian Venue Co has apologised for directing the managers of more than 200 pubs under its portfolio to abstain from Australia Day celebrations.
This mob is owned by an Asian conglomerate.
The woke poo dented CEO may have just learnt a lesson about Aussies.
I’ve seen and saved the list of their pubs – a few I have sipped in. Never to pass through their doors again.
We have a large shopping centre near us owned by a Malaysian family. Very few Christmas decs every year (and getting that tired old look) but massive Chinese New Year decs and dragon dances a few times a day.
So maybe it’s a $$$ thing – they just don’t want to spend $$ on something that they’re just not into.
I noted that many of the pubs have obvious “colonialist” names. Will the group change all of those names to avoid “giving offence”?
Any in Rockhampton?
Two. Berserker Tavern & the Leichhardt Hotel.
Plus The Strand in Yeppoon.
Er.. they did not apologise, they said they regret that their “comments on the weekend caused both concern and confusion”
– and that they want us to keep spending money with them.
That may explain why his theology was so amiss.
Here are the people who thought it would be a great idea to ban Australia Day celebrations in their pubs.
The CEO’s history is interesting. One organisation rang a bell. Spotless. I seem to recall a connection there with the Labor Party, for some reason Nifty came to mind.
Didn’t tits have some involvement too?
AVC fails to read the room. Whether indiginies like it or not, they too are Australian (most do like it).
This just in, rap and hip hop fail to evolve lyrically because for the next 4 years at least “woke” and “broke” will always be rhymed together.
Ironically there is a British crime drama,”Spotless”, which is about a cleaning company that cleans crime scenes and becomes dominated by a leading criminal gang in London.
Cleanevent and the Shorten secret deal?
I note they have a “Chief People Officer.”
Sounds like an Orwellian euphemism.
It reminds me of an institution I once banked with which had a “Client Retention Officer.”
They sprang into action after I closed the accounts and went elsewhere, having spent weeks trying to get them to rectify the issue.
No Milt. I’m going back a long way here. It was something to do with contracts with hospitals and government offices. Joh or Rabz might know.
They were everywhere in Government. Big contracts with the military. Poms from memory.
Doesn’t ring any immediate bells.
But, there is a lot of territory to cover in that regard. Don’t know all of it.
I know Wran had a cleaning company
Certainly NSW Schools
The UN Ignores The Persecution Of Christians
Spotless picks up a lot of the big government contracts. Made the press here taking over a large hospital catering operation. Highly unionised workforce – MWU. Expect this would raise Liar ears.
Now United Voice. Basically the old missos.
The End of Woke? – James Lindsay
Bret Weinstein – How Public Health Radicalized Me
Joe Biden delivers ‘tremendous favour’ to Donald Trump with Hunter Biden pardon
Corrupt old thief couldn’t help himself.
@JackPosobiec
Meme
President Trump will have multiple people watching every bank withdrawal he makes. I’d bet the Junior Biden has a drug overdose within the next year.
Peta Credlin on Sky tipping a late March federal election, following the West Australian state election on Saturday March 8 (a likely ALP bloodbath), but before a new horror federal budget with escalating deficits for the next decade and a large consumer bombshell called the Default Market Offer, due in late March, which will set in stone a massive increase in electricity prices.
Albo has very few options. There’s a real prospect of a Labor annihilation because Chalmers has worsened the budget position by around $60 billion per annum with inflationary government spending out of control.
You can bet that Albo and Chalmers will spend billions more of our money in attempt to bribe the voters.
Interesting. Mrs Brian Loughnane would be pretty well plugged into Lieboral thinking. WA a big problem for the Liars. Cook practically invisible in the West bar some Sunday night high viz for the 6pm News.
Don’t I wish. Not a chance in hell.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/12/well-done-that-boy-here-theyd-probably-charge-him.html
This ?
https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com.au/bulletin/spotless-group-to-pay-60000-for-breaching-privacy-of-employees/
Mmmyes Tom but be assured that Dim Chalmers has given us 2 budget surpluses.
Top Men.
I’m curious about how a pardon can be given for crimes committed prior to gaining office.
Is this because Hunter’s criminal behaviour started in 2014?
I doubt that. But a bit of digging would find something before then, for which the 2014 deadline and the statute of limitations wouldn’t apply.
He may think he’s home and free, but he’s not. He’ll be waiting for the hand on the shoulder for the rest of his life.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/12/well-done-that-boy-here-theyd-probably-charge-him.html
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Here a weapons charge, causing grievous bodily harm etc.
I’ll bet Spotless had a “Chief People Officer” too.
‘Pushed to the extreme’: Warning over porn star’s 1000-man sex act
A woman who is currently in “training” for her world record attempt of sleeping with 1000 men in 24 hours has sparked health concerns.
Health concerns have been raised for a porn star recruiting 1000 guys to take part in her world record attempt at sleeping with the most men in 24 hours.
British adult entertainer Lily Phillips recently began taking applications for the “record breaking event of the year”, which is currently set to take place in January.
The current record holder is Lisa Sparks, an adult film star who bedded 919 men in one dayat a sex industry event in Poland back in 2004.
At the time, Sparks reportedly said she “had a blast but was in pain for a week afterwards”.
Phillips, 23, however has declared she’s been “in training” for several months in order to be physically up to the challenge.
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This is what women’s lib has degenerated into….
I doubt that she will do much “sleeping” during the event
Be like throwing an uncooked sausage down the passage …
BREAKING: IDF STRIKES HEZBOLLAH HARD – Ceasefire Violations Escalate! | TBN Israel
Who Is Massad Boulos? Trump’s New Arab and Middle Eastern Senior Adviser
He is daughter Tiffany’s father-in-law.
Speaking of Top Men:
No. No it isn’t you stupid people.
Except when you dip your toes into the murky waters of identity politics.
Very ordinary work flogs. Begone
Didn’t get the warnings from the Bud Light and Jaguar fiascos eh?
A couple of very colonialist names there. Do they cause offence to any patrons? Time to expunge those colonialist names!
The World Is Healing: Trump Is Already Negotiating Peace, Tariffs, and Immigration Deals
FBI Statement re: Trump’s Patel Pick Drowned Out by Chorus of Whoops From Former Agents
2014 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2015 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2016 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2017 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2018 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2019 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2020 – The laptop is a Wussian hoax. Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2021 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2022 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2023 – Hunter has done nuffink wrong.
2024 – I pardon Hunter for the wrongs he done.
Here’s an opening for Australia’s Muslim community to petition AVCo to stop booking Christmas parties on account of their hurt feelings.
Aus Venue Co… A mate was in Townsville recently during school holidays and had a room booked at the Hotel Allen (AVC stable), they cancelled all bookings 2 weeks shy of him arriving and stated they were renovating, hotel staff apologetic but had come from top and they were in dark too. He had a couple of beers & meals down that way on the visit and talking with the staff. Apparently management is an s-fight since AVC took over during Covid, renovations have put a bunch of housekeeping staff off work and they had little notice.
Other venues I know, haven’t a beer in Mansfield for years, Tom’s Tavern used to be ok for a beer with mates living in that area of Townsville and Trinity Beach Tavern Cairns. Now on the no go list. Same 2 pubs in Clermont that I have done jobs out near on occasion. Quite a few of the others especially rural Queensland are working man pubs I know of. I don’t think anyone has considered how this will go down outside inner city venues.
Part 1
You think?
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Part 2 – Take a look at the website…
https://www.ausvenueco.com.au/
Full of woke DEI crap and respects to the noble savage etc…
Execs Bios are illuminating and light on for hospitality:
CEO: Health & Spotless, whose biggest customers are Government/Big business.
CFO: More diverse background but with hefty experience in companies that again support Government.
COO: Only one so far with any pub experience, has a huge portfolio himself of inner city pubs in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane so might not be engaged as much as he should be.
CMarketingO: Bach Comms involved in PR & Marketing, last job with a inner Melbourne mob called Rowland Pinder who the is zero info in the public sphere about. Weird for a PR Marketing company.
Gen Counsel: Another Spotless type and member of the Australian Governance Institute which seem to straddle Private and public sector as well as full of DEI crap as well. The AGI smell like lobbyists.
CDO: Previously involved with property developers, could be handy if any of the said pubs fail but again no mention of hospitality.
The rest I won’t go into but the Executive seems bloated for an industry that runs on very small margins, SATP will tell you and my other half has worked for a small pub recently and she tells me it’s more than a full time job for the owners.
All I’ll say is as for the rest they have a Chief training and development officer, Chief Experience Officer, Chief People Officer and a bunch of General Managers. Spotless Group features in a lot of their Bios.
They are owned by a Hong Kong private equity mob PAG, started by a an American, Chinese and a Pom. Either they are using this company as a tax dodge on other assets or a clean out is yet to begin from the previous owner. I did find Coles a few pubs owned it till 2019, Westfarmers under Cheney says it all.
Coles and Woolworths get tangled up in pubs and pokies because of liquor laws required to sell grog in certain States. I think they would rather avoid it if they could.
All of their holdings in Townsville have pokies. Trinity Beach Tavern after they demolished/rebuilt it and it lost its soul, same.
On the East Coast hotels are a mix of real estate, hospitality and pokies. Money to be made if you know what you’re doing. In the West more of a property play. Two of our youth haunts now old peoples homes. LOL. Plenty being landbanked with the hotel probably just covering holding costs I suspect.
I reckon this personage would be the source of this brain fart.
Me too and the rest of the exec with little actual pub experience probably thought it was a great idea waving it through in name of showing solidarity.
The COO you would have thought would be sounding the alarm but an ABN/ACN search of him shows he owns a stack of inner city pubs himself none too far from inner areas so probably lives in an echo chamber as well. Otherwise maybe he’s attention is too thinly spread.
Anyway nice own goal, we are still 8 weeks off Aus Day and just before the busy Christmas period I wonder how many cancellations they are getting.
I look after events for a local community club and another regional club. All up ninety people. We had booked at two of the pubs mentioned for Xmas functions but as two weeks off and didn’t lose deposit was able to cancel both events. We have made other arrangements for Xmas very quickly and both clubs happy. Why give our patronage to people that hate us. Oh and we won’t be going to any of those pubs for Aus Day either.
Woolworths did/does too.
Santa Clara County non-COVID all-cause mortality increased 50% over baseline in elderly in Q1 of 2021
Voila! Corporate Australia buys into the grievance industry when it thought it could have an easy win telling consumers to do something they found repugnant.
The corporate simpletons who got on the DEI bandwagon – at least as poorly educated as the “climate change” hysterics – were so stupid they couldn’t conceive that anyone would disagree with them.
If you want to engage in politics, you need to be a full-time politician, not a corporate virtue-signalling operation that doesn’t really understand what’s imvolved.
October 2024: “No one is above the law…”
December 2024 “…except us”.
Just ask outgoing Woolworths CEO Brad Banducci.
Malcolm Roberts
Social Media Ban is an Attack on Parents’ Rights
PAG has been looking to sell, reportedly.
I wonder what this little venture into woke politics has done to the goodwill value?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3246649/joe-biden-uses-political-power-absolve-hunter-of-responsibility-for-crimes/
As expected.
Liquor licensing on the East Coast a complete mystery coming from the West. I got signed in to some bowlo for some Sunday afternoon beers. WTF? Licensed surf clubs? Pokies everywhere. Like toll roads you can keep ‘em.
First post-Joh QLD Labor Premier Wayne Goss – a decent man – said allowing pokies in was his biggest regret.
Surf club pokies are in Qld, not NSW.
Liquor licensing on the East Coast a complete mystery
Australia’s liquor laws derive from the idea that you can’t have lots of drunk convicts. You never know what they’ll get up to. Likewise our firearms laws. The idea of drunk convicts with guns gives the authorities the vapours.
Compare trying to take a pint out to the footpath in the UK v Australia as a comparison.
No, the idea of ANY normal, sane everyday citizen with a gun is anathema to our betters. [/sarc]
Patrons Illustrated at Teh Paywallian story on the Australian Venue Co venue in Surrey Hills illustrate the perils taking a political stance on anything, even politics. An influencer looking chick, a couple of wizened old blokes and a Karen who looks like Lady Waffleworth who naturally approves.
Hunter has minimal chance of keeping his nose clean from now on. I wonder how his art career will pan out, hopefully he has saved up enough to pay the crack and hookers tab from now on because the graft opportunities will have evaporated.
Ed Husic pleas fall on deaf ears among divided Muslim communityAlexi Demetriadi and Rosie Lewis
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The Muslim political campaign threatening to topple senior Labor ministers has declared it has no problem if its pro-Palestine push helped elect Peter Dutton, saying such a result would “demonstrate the impact” of its movement.
But other Muslim leaders have urged voters to avoid “cutting their nose to spite their face”, saying inadvertently electing the Liberals would be a far worse prospect for the community’s hopes for Palestine.
The ALP will likely incorporate The Muslim Vote’s stance as part of its campaign arsenal in southwest Sydney, where supportive elements from the community fear a protest vote could usher in a Liberal government far friendlier to Israel and more opposed to Palestinian statehood.
Industry Minister Ed Husic, the country’s most senior Muslim politician, urged his community to not vote in “anger” against Labor, spruiking the government’s “advocacy” for Palestinian sovereignty and its record at the United Nations.
“I think people can see the volume of work that we have done as a government, particularly in the last 12 months … We are trying to make sure that Australia’s voice is heard in the international arena on this issue,” Mr Husic said on Monday.
But The Muslim Vote convener Wesam Charkawi rejected Mr Husic’s plea, urging Muslim voters who had been “neglected … for far too long” to take a stand against Labor at the ballot box.
“(The Labor government) consistently held that Israel has a right to defend itself while Palestinians were being butchered,” Sheik Charkawi said: “(The government) refused to sanction Israel, refused to expel the Israeli ambassador, refused to call for an arms embargo, and refused on multiple occasions to call for an unconditional ceasefire.”
The organisation has spearheaded independent campaigns in southwest Sydney, where local doctor Ziad Basyouny is running against Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke in Watson and Cumberland councillor Ahmed Ouf against Education Minister Jason Clare in Blaxland.
The Muslim community is split on whether a “voice at the table” was preferable to a more overtly “pro-Palestine” independent member, and whether a vote in anger against Labor would inadvertently propel the Liberals into government – a prospect the majority of Muslim voters would be against, despite anger with the ALP.
But Sheik Charkawi said the two major parties were cut from the same cloth and the campaign wouldn’t change its approach in the event of any looming Liberal victory.
Fight, you bastards, fight. I HATE peace!
https://mailchi.mp/bernardgaynor/u9ceet3738-2724468?e=fe7dbed3ce
I think he’s wasting effort here, wait till the new board is appointed. Get an injunction in the interim. Though I do note the silence of the Justices to what amounts to blatant contempt.
Boards tenure ends in 3 days and the bint responsible Susan Bush is into LGBTQ issues:
https://www.classification.gov.au/about-us/classification-review-board
The crocodile, about to eat Labor ministers in SW Sidernee last after years – nay, decades – of frantic appeasement.
Brilliant.
Anyway, Sliante to you mob.
One of the old and the bold here, has offspring who moved inter State, several years ago. They don’t want to move back, because they don’t want to find themselves looking after aged parents, but they want to know if they are still mentioned in the will?
Tell the opportunistic bastards you are leaving it all to the last people who cared about them – RFDS.
John H 2:34am
Re Christopher Hitchens attack on the church.
He has the upper hand in that he deals in langauge.
historically he is incorrect – The Crusades – defence of your people and what is sacred to you, the Spanish Inquisition the bite Back from a barbaric and vicious attack on your kind, women – passages are infuriating but the initial passages of being complementary to eachother is the most eloquent truism of how society functions between 2 people, then the parents and families, then their community, then the outer world. Re South America, the Indians were a barbaric and backward peoples who were taught a better way, unfortunately the Spanish thought themselves above them, just like all colonial powers did against the tribes who were there before them.
ad to the idiotic attacks on mother Teresa , he like pretentious and hedonistic lay abouts, swarming together in their fine clothing, beautifully crafted surrounds which they have no idea how they came about, getting drunk on an over powering sickly spirit, Voda cruiser, sitting around dreaming up how their hedonistic and bougie life styles are so much holier than the history of the church.
not doing anything to address the so called current issues, they bang on the church’s failures who have done more to improve society than any other organisation.
with regards to sex with little boys, 99.5% are perpetrated by homosexual males. Like him.
Chech put your hollyweird and the arts world it full of so called talented people who were having sex with minors, and up until recently, it was glorified by the arts community, those who cringed at suburbia and where you cross dressers and trances maifested themselves.
hitchens was part of the Luxembourg trotskiates – have heard of anything more stupid.
the guy was a self indulgent twerp justifying his high life, his sodomy, no responsibility, travel, luxury hotels and just putting every one down who crossed him.
Kash Patel is just the man for the FBI
He’s basically pardoning himself by pardoning his co-conspirator.
We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations
@RudyGiuliani
Creedence Clearwater Revival – I Put a Spell on You
“I Put a Spell on You” is a 1956 song written and composed by Jalacy “Screamin’ Jay” Hawkins, whose own recording of it was selected as one of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll.
Video: scenes from the movie “Christine” (1983)
Album: Creedence Clearwater Revival (1968)
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Great edit.
mintox champ. Love Creedence. We used to have this Balinese dishwasher at work a couple of years ago. Name was Bayu. We’d play Born on the Bayou every time he rocked up for his shift.
CCR version is so good.
David Hicks’ Gitmo transfer a possible legal model for Bali Nine returnAmanda Hodge
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The proposed prisoner transfer of five remaining Bali Nine convicts is a legal minefield that will likely require a one-off, “bespoke” agreement between Indonesia and Australia similar to the one that allowed the return of accused terror supporter David Hicks from Guantanamo Bay, international law expert Donald Rothwell says.
The advice comes ahead of scheduled talks in Jakarta on Tuesday between Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke and Indonesia’s Co-ordinating Minister for Law, Human Rights, Immigration and Corrections Yusril Ihza Mahendra aimed at ironing out details of the men’s return.
Matthew Norman, Si Yi Chen, Martin Stephens, Michael Czugaj and Scott Rush have all served more than 19 years of their respective life sentences in prisons across Bali and Java for attempting to traffic 8.3kg of heroin from Bali to Australia in 2005.
Alleged ringleaders Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were executed in 2015 while Renae Lawrence, the only female of the group, was released in November 2018.
The ninth Australian to be convicted, Tan Duc Thanh Nguyen, died of cancer earlier that same year.
The Indonesian government has said it hoped the men could be transferred to Australian prisons before the end of the year, after Anthony Albanese raised the issue with President Prabowo Subianto on the sidelines of last month’s APEC summit in Peru.
Australian National University’s Professor Rothwell told The Australian there were no legal provisions for Australians convicted of crimes overseas to serve further time in prisons at home.
Nor was there any provision under current commonwealth legislation regarding international prisoner transfers for Australian authorities to grant a pardon or early release to Australians convicted overseas.
“The one possible solution I can see is that Tony Burke and his Indonesian counterpart could this week agree upon a memorandum of understanding which is a less formal legal instrument that can be quickly negotiated and does not require formal ratification,” Professor Rothwell said.
David Hicks could have been shot, out of hand, with the full blessing of international law, by the Northern Alliance troops who captured him. Instead they sold his sorry arse to the Yanks, who threw him into Gitmo..
Had almost forgotten about the “Misguided Adventurer”.
Before his capture in Afghanistan, the Adventurer had been in Kashmir shooting at Indians. Before that he was in Kosovo helping Albanian Mueslis overthrow the rightful owners of that province.
I hope what Knuckle Dragger said just upthread comes true.
Charming family.
@RealMacReport
Breaking: A White House official disclosed that Hunter Biden had threatened Joe Biden with the release of a book detailing his recent life experiences, just a day before Hunter received a full pardon.
God v Science?
… I give you Zugzwang
a German word that describes a situation in chess where a player is forced to make a move that will worsen their position
I will be issuing writs on behalf of the shitweasel- Australian community for the extreme distress, harm and befouling of our good name by comparing us with Bowen/ Blubbasack and the waiters kid.
Certainly we may not be held in the highest esteem by the general community, but lumping the ALP in with us is a bridge too far.
Supernatural/spirit world is real. Angels and Demons too. What “God” is? NFI.
If you contemplate this stuff deeply enough you must come to the conclusion of “How does anything exist”?
It’s a mindfu^k and best left alone IMO. Way worse than trying to figure out Donnie Darko.
Just concentrate on fighting Tories etc.
Your comment mirrors a statement by Feynman: “Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn’t matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”
Cheers John. That is my experience. The ineffable is well, ineffable!
Been binge watching that meerkat manor program.
Geez, I have come to despise those nasty little critters.
If I ever have the chance to go to the Kalahari and shoot some of them I will jump at the chance.
How dare you! They are grouse things. I was at Halls Gap Zoo a few years ago and trying to get a photo. Suddenly one of them jumped up and stood right in front of me behind the perspex. The little fuc%er was posing. Awesome photo that I would post but don’t know how to.
Stick your fat flightless birds and Mammalian hate, bro.
He was sizing up your groin to attack.
After what seems like 1000 hours of meerkat TV, I’m now an expert.
You are lucky to have survived.
Zafiro:
Listen to Arky – he is, in fact, a genuine expert on these psychopathic Kalahari Rodents.
…and buy a lottery ticket.
I have never before cheered on snakes, but I am now.
The number one thing these filthy little beasts spend their time doing is rubbing their stinking arse glands all over the scenery.
Go snake.
I once had a full length Tiger Snake (8 ft) crossing a rural road in front of me. I braked to a stop and let it pass. Swampy Lake Goldsmith area. It would’ve been doing God’s work.
And the narration is irritatingly smug.
The presenter should have a herd of meerkats sewn into his trousers and thrown out of a C130 with a parachute packed by Kamala the day after her defeat.
thrown out of a C130 with a parachute packed by Kamala the day after her defeat.
LOL
Meerkats are honourary members of the shitweasel- community in good standing.
Go back to molesting armadillos with vintage machinery.
Moles, meerkats, filthy armadillos.
You’re all the same to me.
Tell me you at least don’t have the promiscuous stench gland habit.
Good grief.
It’s like Mad Max with furries.
John Spooner.
Mark Knight.
Mark Knight #2.
Brett Lethbridge.
Gary Varvel.
Matt Margolis.
Al Goodwyn.