Open Thread – Mon 4 Oct 2021


The Little Tower of Babel, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1563

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Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 4, 2021 7:57 pm
cohenite
October 4, 2021 7:57 pm

Old blokesays:
October 4, 2021 at 5:26 pm
John H. says:
October 4, 2021 at 5:09 pm

cohenitesays:
October 4, 2021 at 4:23 pm
On the shit which are EVs:

Yeah I read this on the other thread (they change so fast here!). The links provided by the bloke were full of shit with such spasms of poop as EVs are carbon neutral and calculations about cost and electricity use only some deranged greenie could produce. To drive an average EV 100 klms requires more electricity then the average house uses in a day. That’s just residential demand which is about 20% of over-all demand. As well there is grid compatibility. The batteries in the stupid fucking things require DC whereas the grid pumps out AC.

I could go on. Anyone who advocates EVs while replacing fossils with wind and solar is a fucking lunatic.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:00 pm

Dover that sounds just like that contemptable little grub. Remember his uni thesis was ‘make the polluter pay’. Obscene when you remember tax payers have been keeping him and daddy in fine style for decades.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2021 8:03 pm

Suffer, Mo. You chose this mob…From the Australian.

Kabul faces blackout as Taliban don’t pay electricity suppliers

By Yaroslav Trofimov and Saeed Shah
Dow Jones
3:41PM October 4, 2021
10 Comments

Afghanistan’s capital could be plunged into darkness as the northern winter sets in because the country’s new Taliban rulers haven’t paid Central Asian electricity suppliers or resumed collecting money from consumers.

Unless addressed, the situation could cause a humanitarian disaster, warned Daud Noorzai, who resigned as chief executive of the country’s state power monopoly, Da Afghanistan Breshna Sherkat, nearly two weeks after the Taliban’s takeover on August 15.

“The consequences would be countrywide, but especially in Kabul. There will be blackout and it would bring Afghanistan back to the Dark Ages when it comes to power and to telecommunications,” said Mr Noorzai, who remains in close contact with DABS’s remaining management. “This would be a really dangerous situation.”

Electricity imports from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan account for half of Afghanistan’s power consumption nationwide, with Iran providing additional supplies to the country’s west. Domestic production, mostly at hydropower stations, has been affected by this year’s drought. Afghanistan lacks a national power grid, and Kabul depends almost completely on imported power from Central Asia.

Currently, power is abundant in the Afghan capital, a rare — if transient — improvement since the Taliban takeover. In part, that is because the Taliban no longer attack the transmission lines from Central Asia. Another reason is that, with industry at a standstill and military and government facilities largely idle, a much bigger share of the power supply ends up with residential consumers, eliminating the rolling blackouts that used to be commonplace.

That, however, is likely to come to an abrupt end if the Central Asian suppliers — particularly Tajikistan, whose relationship with the Taliban is rapidly deteriorating — decide to cut off DABS for non-payment. Tajikistan has given shelter to leaders of the anti-Taliban resistance, such as former vice-president Amrullah Saleh, and recently deployed additional troops to its border with Afghanistan, prompting Russia to call on both nations to de-escalate.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 4, 2021 8:03 pm

The batteries in the stupid fucking things require DC whereas the grid pumps out AC.

True but conversion from one to the other isn’t a problem. Easier is AC to Dc but the other way just requires some not fancy power electronics.
Yeah, EV’s are shit except in special circumstances.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:04 pm

Toyota has said there is not enough electrical generating capacity to convert to electric cars.

Anyone who advocates EVs while replacing fossils with wind and solar is a fucking lunatic.

They hold basic high school physics like P=W/t=VI in complete contempt.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 4, 2021 8:04 pm

Sounds like afghanistan is about to go back to the 7th century.

Roger
Roger
October 4, 2021 8:05 pm

Impoverishing Rugby Australia IS doing God’s work.

Well in that case he could have refunded his public donors.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 8:06 pm

I only listen to JJJ for the Aussie hip hop.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2021 8:08 pm

They hold basic high school physics like P=W/t=VI in complete contempt.

That’s because they’re educated. With arts degrees.

Rabz
October 4, 2021 8:08 pm

Thank your lucky stars that you … live alone

It can sometimes be a very heavy burden to bear, calli. The grass being greener and all that.

Rabz
October 4, 2021 8:10 pm

I only listen to JJJ for the Aussie hip hop.

Just as I only read Quadrant for the Vogon Poetry, Squire.

To each his own. 🙂

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 8:10 pm

Sounds like the Taliban know how to cut emissions. Luckily for them living in a cave is a viable lifestyle choice for most Afghans.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 4, 2021 8:10 pm

You can get charged over killing an Irishman?
When did they bring that in?

Only Squaddies.
PIRA murderers get amnesties.
And seats in parliament.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 4, 2021 8:12 pm

There might be something to these claims about the Gerbil Worming.

Was out on the network at Jennacubbine the other day, and then driving about today to find that the cicadas are ticking already.

And we are still in mid-spring, while the weather is presently taking a turn for winter.

The Climates, they are a-Changiiiiiiiin’…

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 8:12 pm

Cervix Gate vs LGB Alliance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmnMviD691M

Oct 4, 2021
The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 8:14 pm

Sounds like afghanistan is about to go back to the 7th century.

Progress.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2021 8:15 pm

Sounds like the Taliban know how to cut emissions. Luckily for them living in a cave is a viable lifestyle choice for most Afghans.

Electrically powered cars not an option?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 8:19 pm

Have you ever tried plugging in a camel? You only make that mistake once.

calli
calli
October 4, 2021 8:20 pm

I know, Rabz.

Rabz
October 4, 2021 8:20 pm

Electrically powered cars not an option?

You may scoff, but their solar powered goat technology is cutting edge, I hear.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2021 8:21 pm

You can get charged over killing an Irishman?
When did they bring that in?

Only Squaddies.

Lee Clegg, for example.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:21 pm

Has Hunt vomited up ‘build back better’ yet? After all I understand he has a copy of the ‘Great reset’ on display. Evil vile loathsome waste of space.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2021 8:21 pm

dover0beachsays:

October 4, 2021 at 7:53 pm

Did I hear correctly, is Hunt hinting at a Medicare surcharge for the unvaxxed?

No.
It’s now a lefty talking point which needs to be killed off.
Also talk of excluding the unclean from hospitals.
Remember.
This is coming from the standwithDans.
Who, back in 2014 were wailing and rending their garments over a very limited $7 co-payment to visit a GP.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:22 pm

Health Hazard let ‘new world order’ slip out. I hate the lieborals.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 8:25 pm

Remember.
This is coming from the standwithDans.
Who, back in 2014 were wailing and rending their garments over a very limited $7 co-payment to visit a GP.

The good old days.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 4, 2021 8:29 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
October 4, 2021 at 5:44 pm

Looks like another sopping wet type. I really wish those who stand for public office would be a little more open about their pasts, we the public have a right to know not the airbrushed bio or vague positions such as manager or businesswoman with no detail. Something I am noting more and more recently. That said.

Her birth place is hidden from all the searches I have done, first hmm maybe not so rural even if the family did own a dairy farm. I’m tipping Canberra or if actually rural an ultra green area of the south coast. Started work with 2UE in Sydney so media type, 2nd hmm. Moved to Coffs Harbour where she was a staffer. Had a tilt at preselection but unsuccessful so went back the Monaro where she got picked up by Berjiklian for a Senate Seat. Apparently a “businesswoman” of non descript type. Sorry for the sarcasm but aren’t they all in the Liberals these days.

Her record as water minister looks like someone Photios would be pleased with. Another Steph Ryan by the looks.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:39 pm

I wonder why the Barilalo idiot bailed?

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 8:41 pm

Steph Ryan certainly personifies all that is wrong with modern Australian politics. Labor boyfriend, ‘worked’ for Failyou, National MP. All that’s missing is a Green connection.

duncanm
duncanm
October 4, 2021 8:42 pm

JCsays:
October 4, 2021 at 6:45 pm
Duncanm

It’s not realistic to look at things that way. By far, the most energy being used is in commercial use dwarfing all else.

yes – but the discussion was people plugging their EV’s in at night and the effect on the residential grid.

Nothing to do with industrial consumption, or commercial transport (trucks, rail, etc), which I agree is bigger.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 4, 2021 8:50 pm

Rockdoctorsays:
October 4, 2021 at 8:29 pm
Bruce of Newcastlesays:
October 4, 2021 at 5:44 pm
****
According to the internet she’s been a political staffer and politician since she was 19.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2021 8:53 pm

I wonder why the Barilalo idiot bailed?

pension security

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2021 9:00 pm

miltonfsays:

October 4, 2021 at 8:41 pm

Steph Ryan certainly personifies all that is wrong with modern Australian politics. Labor boyfriend, ‘worked’ for Failyou, National MP. All that’s missing is a Green connection.

Have you considered that she might be the Green connection.

miltonf
miltonf
October 4, 2021 9:02 pm

quite possibly ll

Cardimona
Cardimona
October 4, 2021 9:05 pm

Has anyone distilled the “baker not baking a gay cake vs businesses not admitting anti-vaxxers” argument?

I’d like to plagiarise it, please.

Cardimona
Cardimona
October 4, 2021 9:08 pm

Most-recent LTE (10 papers, sent yesterday – not printed that I know of, intended mainly to cause CD in journo-listers…)

***
The Editor
The Australian

Conspiracies – would we have a word for them if they didn’t exist?

And are we who are labelled “conspiracy theorists” really your class enemies? Or are we your friends simply telling you the truth before you’re ready to hear it?

Would it be easier to accept that conspiracies happen if we called them “confluences of congruent interests?”

What, other than great wealth, do those who regularly fly into Switzerland in their private jets to meet at Davos have in common beyond congruent interests?

The difference between a conference and a conspiracy lies in intent, with the later involving illegality, wrongfulness, or subversion.

Our Constitution is being disregarded – isn’t that illegal?

We’re being denied the simple, cheap COVID-19 cures being used in over 40 other countries – isn’t that wrong?

The “National Cabinet” that seems to be our ruling junta has no basis in statute or precedent – isn’t that subversion of our system of governance?

If I spend 12 hours per day reading what experts are saying outside the Big Tech/Big Media firewall to find the hard data and probable truth behind COVID-19’s incredibly unlikely public image, time that you don’t have to do the same, how does that make me your enemy?

Unlike the Malthusian billionaire class, I’m not motivated to steal your freedom, your money, or your property – or to cut your life short with future side-effects of mandated experimental drugs.

I don’t need your friendship – but I do need our free, functional, fantastic “old-normal” Australia back, and you’re part of it.

Hate me if you must, but hear me out first – because I’m not on the side of the Davos conspiracists.

(272 words)

Cardimona
Cardimona
October 4, 2021 9:11 pm

Another LTE sent yesterday…
***

The Editor
The Australian

The 1958 book ‘The Naked Communist’ by former FBI agent W. Cleon Skousen lists the 45 goals of communism.

While it was written in the Soviet era, the 45 goals seem to have been largely achieved. The Soviet Union may have collapsed but the mission has been completed by the unholy UN-CCP alliance.

In fact, if you read the 45 goals substituting “UN/CCP” for “Russia/Soviet” and “Australia” for “America” it’s clear that the 31 goals that aren’t US-specific have been achieved here, too.

Here’s just ten examples;

“4-Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

“6-Provide (Australian) aid to all nations regardless of communist domination.

“7-Grant Recognition of Red China. Admission of China to the UN.

“15-Capture one or both of the political parties in (Australia).

“17-Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher’s associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

“18-Gain control of Student newspapers.

“20-Infultrate the press. Get control of book-reviewing assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

“21-Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.

“36-Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

“37-Infiltrate and gain control of big business.”

Benito Mussolini said, “Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of government and corporate power.”

Now look around at Covid-era Australia and tell me we’ve not morphed into a fascist corporate-technocratic UN/CCP-controlled slave-state, where personal freedoms have been extinguished.

(255 words)

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 4, 2021 9:16 pm

Barilalo apparently jumped because he was in a bit of a midlife crisis. Tongue in cheek? Maybe.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/john-barilaro-quits-as-nsw-deputy-premier-days-after-gladys-berejiklians-shock-resignation/news-story/f1b0a5e845cc035b74204a22ab854671

Constance who quit as well is running for a federal seat, Green was blowing wind up his proverbial this morning on the ABC on Constance’s chances. I reckon Eden-Monaro is overstated as a bell weather these days and likely to be retained by the ALP these days after the demographic changes.

That said is Barilalo looking at a Federal seat?

cohenite
October 4, 2021 9:20 pm

That said is Barilalo looking at a Federal seat?

The guy is all over the shop; the only constant with this guy is self interest.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2021 9:23 pm

Cardimonasays:
October 4, 2021 at 9:11 pm
Another LTE sent yesterday…

“4-Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

Benito Mussolini said, “Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of government and corporate power.”

Now look around at Covid-era Australia and tell me we’ve not morphed into a fascist corporate-technocratic UN/CCP-controlled slave-state, where personal freedoms have been extinguished.

You’re wrong. China isn’t a free trader. As it was thrashed out clearly on the old blog, you can’t open a business up in China.

The reason why communists supported free trade is because they were accelerationist losers.

“Oh look, free trade seems to result in wealth. That’s bad so we should help speed along history. The quicker the bourgeoise scum get rich, the quicker we can kill them.”

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2021 9:27 pm

Did I hear correctly, is Hunt hinting at a Medicare surcharge for the unvaxxed?

I already pay excise taxes.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2021 9:27 pm

This one’s for military Cats – I’m reading a review of “Australia’s Few, and the Battle Of Britain.”
Eight Australian Spitfire and Hurricane pilots took part in the Battle of Britain – one survived…..

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2021 9:30 pm

“Why are so many straight men having gay sex?”

U fkn wot m8?

L O L

W U T ! ?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2021 9:32 pm

Jon Voight has been a righter winger for a long time.

He was so right wing, he exposed his daughter to the hellscape that is Hollywood from a very young age.
Literally served her up on a platter for those sickos & wondered why she turned out the way she did.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2021 9:35 pm

Jon Voight, father of the year.
If this doesn’t make you vomit, I don’t know what will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUJMDHDV59Y

Eddystone
Eddystone
October 4, 2021 9:35 pm

Gab says:
October 4, 2021 at 6:22 pm

The Mass of the Ages. This is what Francis is attempting to kill off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdbwNMYKhw0 starts around 1 minute.

Thank you Gab.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2021 9:40 pm

Geez.

Imagine being Angelina Jolie’s brother.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 9:42 pm

I wonder why the Barilalo idiot bailed?

Personally sending the Fixated Persons Unit to go after the Youtuber FriendlyJordies.

He’s fucked.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Aussie Cossack. Two years ago he was in the news, but not for getting on NSW Plod’s goat.
An interesting read. The piece on him is about a third of the way down.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 9:46 pm

I should say he’s fucked without the protection of his mole.

He knows it, so he’s getting the hell out of dodge before the internal investigation finish and parliament starts sitting again and asking him and the police commissioner some ugly questions.

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 9:54 pm

Worth a quick read –

?friendlyjordies
@friendlyjordies
A statement from Jordan Shanks regarding John Barilaro’s resignation.

https://twitter.com/friendlyjordies/status/1444815823072235520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

11:05 am · 4 Oct 2021·Twitter Web App

rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 9:54 pm

Spitfires VS ME109’s

Whilst this is in Digital Combat Simulator, the producer gives a very good account of why each aircraft must play to it’s particular strength, and what happens if they aren’t used in that way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCNVSy0pYE&t=778s

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 9:56 pm

🙂 –

Droplet friendlyjordies Retweeted
Gladys Berejicklian Blue heart @GladysBParody
· 2 Oct
Thank you to all the journalists and politicians who’ve said I was a leader of integrity!

(although were you asleep when I announced I was resigning due to corruption allegations?)

P
P
October 4, 2021 9:57 pm

Admirable mention on the Weekend OT of Monica Smit, and rightfully so.

I watched her interview by Michael Matt of The Remnant

A traditional Catholic?
I am pleased to see that her partner has now proposed and I assume she will soon embrace the sacrament of matrimony.
Anti-vaxxer Monica Smit announces engagement after release from jail

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 4, 2021 9:58 pm

Salvatore. I did suspect that Aussie Cossack may be on a watch list for intelligence hence some of the police attention. That article pretty well much strengthens that opinion.

I still enjoy his battles with the plod though.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 4, 2021 9:59 pm

@ Sal-

Remarkably, they have managed to conflate fellows operating on both sides (and sub-factions) of the Civil War, because for their own reasons, they are inimical to the Left’s agenda.

Get them in the same room under completely neutral terms with a bottle of vodka each, and each one would have had ample opportunity to lethally infuriate the others.

Leftwits really gotta stop herding and forcibly collectivising and categorising people. I mean, it’s their innate nature, but seriously…

Zipster
October 4, 2021 10:01 pm

A statement from Jordan Shanks

wank wank wank

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 4, 2021 10:11 pm

Cardimona
The argument is, the Gay Cake requester was able to enter the freehold premises of the shop and receive a polite and reasonable reception from the baker: in a No Vaxx No Life world, all of those movements and interactions would be stitched up by the Lizard People.
At least, that’s how I see it.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 4, 2021 10:18 pm

The baker was not offering the product the Gay Cake requester wanted. A plain cake wouldn’t have been a problem, assuming the seller was consistent. Different to offering your product to only select individuals.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2021 10:24 pm

Bob Carr is not against nuclear power or gas powered electricity but according to him they are too expensive. Apparently what we need is renewables and battery storage. What twaddle and Paul Murray just ate it up. I think Bob probably has a financial interest in renewables or he is a liar about being pro-nuclear. I can’t believe this man was one of NSW longest serving premiers.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 10:26 pm

I wish to lay a charge of murder against Anthony Fauci and Dr. Peter Daszak.

To Whom do I speak to have these charges laid?

rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 10:34 pm

FMD. Aussie Cossack FPO search at Bunnings.

I keep wondering when I’m going to wake up from this nightmare…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaMT6m5O42I

rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 10:36 pm

wank wank wank

Between Shanks and Barrillo I can’t work out who I dislike more….

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 4, 2021 10:36 pm

Cardimonasays:
October 4, 2021 at 9:05 pm
*****
This was my take on it a few days ago.

The baker didn’t refuse to bake a cake. The baker refused to decorate a cake with a pro-gay “marriage” message.
No-one’s asking employers to include Chicom vaxx-hesitant messages in their corporate mission statement, or values, or whatever.
As I recall some people did support the idea that a business should be able to refuse customers more generally, and if that’s the view someone holds then, yes, logically they’d have to ask why a business can’t also refuse to deal with employees or other suppliers.
But even in that case, it’s not illogical to be opposed to the government compelling businesses to turn away customers or employees, nor is it illogical to choose not to deal with businesses that do turn away people.
It would be illogical only if people were demanding that the government compel businesses to deal with people the business owners wanted to turn away. I haven’t seen a lot of people supporting that around here (though some people have questioned whether existing “anti-discrimination” laws might have that effect).

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 10:41 pm

The baker didn’t refuse to bake a cake. The baker refused to decorate a cake with a pro-gay “marriage” message.

At best a trivial argument.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2021 10:41 pm

I share the belief that a trader should be able to reject a potential customer for any reason he chooses. But an employer has a contract with his workers and cannot simply rewrite it as and when he pleases.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 4, 2021 10:48 pm

JCsays:
October 4, 2021 at 10:41 pm
The baker didn’t refuse to bake a cake. The baker refused to decorate a cake with a pro-gay “marriage” message.

At best a trivial argument.
*****
Not at all. The baker wasn’t refusing to deal with the customer. The business was just saying “we don’t supply that product, but you’re welcome to buy anything we do supply”. If there were evidence the baker had supplied pro-gay “marriage” cakes to other people, then they would be discriminating against the customers in question by refusing them. But there wasn’t.
It’s the same as trying to hire a concert pianist and demanding he play Barry Manilow songs. He’s entitled to say “I don’t do that”, even though he could.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 10:50 pm

When the government creates a compulsory register of all gay vs straight people and makes it available to the general public via an app on everyone’s phone and tells people they can demand to see the persons status and then ban them from entering their shop based on that with the police arresting anyone who doesn’t like it, then you’ll have a similar situation.

The cake baking vs vaccine passport thing is so dumb.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 10:51 pm

Is every “court” in Australia absolutely useless????

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 10:54 pm

Where do I charge Fauci for murder????

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 4, 2021 10:55 pm

You win, Twostix. Good take.
It is dumb, but in the right way.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:02 pm

Neilson

Of course it’s a trivial argument. In fact it’s stupid.

Stix

The cake baking vs vaccine passport thing is so dumb.

Last week you suggested the argument didn’t work because it only worked two decades ago when you said corporate libertarianism was going strong. Now, you just calling it dumb. So far no real argument because you can’t make one.

1. You defend the right of the cake maker to refuse service.
2. You’d oppose the same cake maker his right from refusing employment to someone.. (even a gay person)?

This is some cognitive dissonance going here and Neilson’s an idiot.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:02 pm

so cakes are more important than deliberately killing people????

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 11:02 pm

The unconventional libertarianism of a vast government apparatus maintaining lists of people and compelling them to make their private medical details available to anyone who runs a sandwich shop via a technological surveillance state.

This is your brain on Rand, year: 2021.

rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 11:04 pm

I just found out that a US based friend is going on a mission trip to DRC, GOMA for two weeks.

From Australia that sounds about as feasible as flying to the moon.

How rooted is Australia??!!

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:05 pm

so cakes are more important than deliberately killing people????

Silly argument. The cake maker isn’t deliberately endangering anyone by refusing employee to a non-vaxxer. In fact he’s doing it because he believes it would be endangering his life. He doesn’t have to care squat about the non-vaxxers life.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2021 11:05 pm

You’d oppose the same cake maker his right from refusing employment to someone.. (even a gay person)?

I’d support the right of an employer to refuse to hire anyone he didn’t like, for whatever reason. But he’s not entitled to change the rules once he’s hired someone.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:07 pm

The unconventional libertarianism of a vast government apparatus maintaining lists of people and compelling them to make their private medical details available to anyone who runs a sandwich shop via a technological surveillance state.

This is your brain on Rand, year: 2021.

Would have made the same argument against AIDS sufferers in the 80s?

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 11:07 pm

Let’s Make More Laws!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS0gRfgsPbg

Oct 4, 2021
Discernable

Barrister, lecturer and legal writer Greg Barns SC explains why we keep passing more and more legislation, and why we should be careful about granting more executive power to governments.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 4, 2021 11:08 pm

JCsays:
October 4, 2021 at 11:02 pm
Neilson

Of course it’s a trivial argument. In fact it’s stupid.

Stix

The cake baking vs vaccine passport thing is so dumb.

Last week you suggested the argument didn’t work because it only worked two decades ago when you said corporate libertarianism was going strong. Now, you just calling it dumb. So far no real argument because you can’t make one.

********

No self-beclownment here at all.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:09 pm

I’d support the right of an employer to refuse to hire anyone he didn’t like, for whatever reason. But he’s not entitled to change the rules once he’s hired someone.

What a cop out, Doc. You can refuse to hire anyone and you don’t have to and shouldn’t have to offer any reason. We’re already there as no one is compelled to hire an individual. The issue is after you’ve hired them and always has been.

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 11:10 pm

Brew: A Brief History of Coffee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdTpNOeeyE

Oct 4, 2021
The History Guy:
History Deserves to Be Remembered
To some, their morning coffee is an elixir from heaven, their wake-up in a cup, or simply… necessary to carry on. With its energizing properties and storied past, it has an interesting history that deserves to be remembered.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:10 pm

No self-beclownment here at all.

Cognitive dissonance doing it’s ugly work again.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:11 pm

No JC

the cakemaker is whatever.

Fauci made sure to fund gain of function of disease… he is a murderer.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 11:12 pm

. You’d oppose the same cake maker his right from refusing employment to someone.. (even a gay person)?

The issue is the government sticking a gun in my back and telling me I have to show the ‘cake maker’ all my private affairs via an app and the dosier it has created about me.

How else would he know who or what I am to refuse me?

How is this even hard?

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:16 pm

Stix

The argument is compulsion, you dummy. It’s about selective compulsion that you support. You don’t like gay marriage and therefore don’t want to see the cake maker compelled. You think the vax is a witches brew but want to compel the employer to continue employment of the non-vaxxer.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 11:17 pm

Would have made the same argument against AIDS sufferers in the 80s?

Did you?

This guy is a smoker though, why shouldn’t ‘smoker’ be on the passport. Let’s see how committed you are to this.

Cardimona
Cardimona
October 4, 2021 11:20 pm

Thanks, team
This is the fewest words I cab get it down to…
“The baker wasn’t invading the gay customer’s privacy, but the pro-vax business is.”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2021 11:22 pm

Gawd. Someone left the cake out in the rain, and it took so long to bake it etc etc.

Just dropped in and I’m right back to the swinging sixties, time to drop out again. 😀

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:22 pm

Let’s see how committed you are to this.

Stop changing the subject. Of course I don’t support a smoker’s passport in the same way I don’t support a vaxx passport. I do support the right of an employer to hire and fire at will though.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:22 pm

J C

Fauci has been pushing drugs all his miserable fkn life.

I want to charge him with murder.

Where do I go to get it sorted????

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:23 pm

Speak to Hiden, Piggles.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:27 pm

“The baker wasn’t invading the gay customer’s privacy, but the pro-vax business is.”

Lol… the baker/cake entanglement is NOT a privacy issue. It’s about compulsion. FMD.

The business not also NOT about privacy and ironically it’s not about compulsion either. The business is merely saying to the employee “I don’t want you to work for me any longer”. That’s not compulsion.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 11:28 pm

You don’t like gay marriage and therefore don’t want to see the cake maker compelled. You think the vax is a witches brew but want to compel the employer to continue employment of the non-vaxxer.

Came up in a world where you could literally light up durries inside the office (and did). Now ok’s a vast medical surveillance state where you can’t even enter the office, or a shop, unless the government has ok’d you with your employer behind your back re your now public medical history.

Do you kind of get why people don’t like boomers? It’s stuff like this.

Why can’t we ever have what you had? Why do you hate us so much?

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:29 pm

I don’t want to beat you guys up any longer as I genuinely like “youse” all. Where’s numbnuts…. Where’s Rones …..or the Driller? 🙂

Lazlo
Lazlo
October 4, 2021 11:29 pm

I do support the right of an employer to hire and fire at will though.

There is a mountain of employment and contract law that says you cannot do this “at will”. Just ask Peter Ridd.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:31 pm

Stix

I made myself clear a few days ago that I disagree with the state apparatus getting involved in this.

I’ve been talking about the right of an employer not continue hiring someone and the baker refusing to bake a cake for a couple of bull dykes.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:33 pm

There is a mountain of employment and contract law that says you cannot do this “at will”. Just ask Peter Ridd.

Yes, I know.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:34 pm

JC says:
October 4, 2021 at 11:23 pm

Speak to Hiden, Piggles.

so you don’t know and just personally trust in some concept of “the system”.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:36 pm

Piggles

What am I supposed to know that I don’t know?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:37 pm

I think I’ll charge Fauci for murder in The Bendigo Court.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2021 11:37 pm

Here y’are, cake time. And goodnight all.

Lazlo
Lazlo
October 4, 2021 11:38 pm

Not to mention anti-discrimination, disability discrimination etc. This vax mandate stuff would be thrown out of court very quickly. Problem is, who is going to bring and fund the action? Not any government, not any “human rights” bureaucracy, not any Trade Union.. We live in truely fascistic times.

twostix
twostix
October 4, 2021 11:40 pm

If you want to make the whole thing specific to one facet, compulsion of the…employer(wtf?): then entire reason you’re even speaking about this at all, is because last year the government passed a law compelling every doctor, nurse and pharmacist in Australia to enter every persons covid vaccination status into its list.

Without that compulsion there would be no register, no app, no ‘passport’, no nothing.

Check.mate.

Additionally it then compels me to show it to employers or shopkeepers who ask for it, while simultaneously compelling them with OH&S laws that if they employ or serve me they will be likely to be shutdown and punished by the regulatory state for their disobedience.

Focusing in on one zany theoretical about ‘compulsion’ while ignoring the vast literal state of compulsion that has required to make any of this happen.

I see you.

vlad redux
vlad redux
October 4, 2021 11:40 pm

Something else we get from crude oil are the plastics that Peter Singer wears on his feet instead of leather.

So, yes, indeed, we’ll need Texas Tea for a while yet, come what may.

rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 11:40 pm

For those who like watches, this is ridiculously cool. The bloke is based in Melbourne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yyrILbqgMQ

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 4, 2021 11:45 pm

you Eastern Weirdo’s have changed your time frame again.

no wonder you believe.

Cardimona
Cardimona
October 4, 2021 11:45 pm

Bed-time for me, so I’ll check back tomorrow – but before I forget…

JC –
My question wasn’t about continuing employment of current employees – it was about denying customers entry to business premises on the basis of their medical histories.
The baker didn’t offer the product the gay bloke wanted, so the baker didn’t discriminate on the basis of the customer’s sexuality – which the customer chose to reveal, so it wasn’t a privacy issue.
The federal Privacy Act is big on private medical histories being private.
I just skimmed it again and I can’t see that that has changed.
So Bunnings denying me entry because I choose not to share my vaccination history is not the same as a baker refusing to pretend two blokes can marry.

Wait – you don’t still believe that the coof is some sort of highly contagious and very deadly global pandemic that would justify businesses invading customers’ privacy, do you?

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:47 pm

Without that compulsion there would be no register, no app, no ‘passport’, no nothing.

Check.mate.

Will you just stop. An employer isn’t at the mercy of the state in theoretically demanding an immunization card from an employee.

vlad redux
vlad redux
October 4, 2021 11:47 pm

I will alert Cats to a good (ish) piece from an unlikely source, ie Margaret Simons of all people in the current issue of The Monthly of all places; about how we are marching into a totalitarian state with our eyes wide shut.

She is one of the few leftists I have seen so far who is alarmed by what’s happening right now in this country, based on principle. I wouldn’t say her article is directly over target, but it’s worth a read.

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 11:50 pm

Fifteen Days To Flatten The Curve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbPqMhMD7c

Oct 4, 2021
Tony Heller

108K subscribers
Dr. Fauci hasn’t decided yet if he will allow Christmas this year.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:51 pm

Wait – you don’t still believe that the coof is some sort of highly contagious and very deadly global pandemic that would justify businesses invading customers’ privacy, do you?

Contagious, yes of course it is. It’s a bioweapon manufactured to be so contagious that accidentally escaped the lab.

Deadly? It seems to kill off fatties, old people and those with underlying illnesses. All told perhaps close to 2o million dead around the world in these catagories It’s not hugely deadly, but it is very contagious.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 11:56 pm

USSR

The other day (I think it was you) who told us you’ve put on a ton of weight and now well inside the obesity descriptor. If you’re not vaxxed be very careful because very obese people such as yourself may not make it to the other side if you get covid.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 5, 2021 12:00 am

If Christine Nixon jumped out of the cake it would solve all the problems.
In her skin tight catsuit it would turn anyone gay.

Got to be quick though. Ate her way through 2” of marzipan in under 15 seconds.

srr
srr
October 5, 2021 12:02 am

‘You Sir, Are The One Ignoring Science’: Rand Paul Battles Becerra Over COVID-19 Rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ

1,756,323 views
Oct 1, 2021

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:27 am

How come the 80 year old Fauci is still alive?????

What was that movie/book where the heads were cut off and just connected to automaton things.

He and Gates will be fun in a thousand years or so.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:30 am

Imagine the head of Soros in 2,000 years.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2021 12:36 am

I don’t want to beat you guys up any longer as I genuinely like “youse” all. Where’s numbnuts…. Where’s Rones …..or the Driller? ?

Hey, JC, when are you going to post about your years with the trading arm of Elders – when you did the deals that dropped John Elliot in the manure? Just when you started there, and when you finished will do.

Winston Smith
October 5, 2021 12:39 am

Eyrie:

Don’t know what good it will do them. Last I heard the Israelis had 200 boosted fission weapons of up to 500kT yield each.

Nice spread of yields, I hear.
But me being a believer in round numbers, the Israeli mix would probably benefit from a 100/250 MT warhead.
After all, Lake Tehran isn’t going to dredge itself, you know.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:42 am

The 1960’s and 70’s leftists who raged against “The Man” were describing where we are really at.

I cannot believe Me and Bobby McGee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahpIirW0svY

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:45 am

Elders

absolute bastards

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:47 am

and Jack Elliot was filth.

srr
srr
October 5, 2021 12:48 am

Currently onto Tom Sharpe’s “Riotous Assembly”.

Spooky thing is how much the characters are like South African’s I got to know in the ’70’s & ’80’s.

Then I think, yep, ya gotta laugh, or go mad; it explains why he’s so very funny.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:49 am

Malcolm Fraser was a pile of shit.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 12:51 am

Dirty Bastards

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 1:01 am

Given the history of the so called Liberal Party of Australia no wonder something called Photias controls it.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 5, 2021 1:09 am

I worked out 40 years ago that it would be cheaper to give every person a million bucks and tell them to piss off out of Australia.

I often wonder who will control the natural resources because we as sure do not.

It seems it is being kept in reserve for people other than us.

srr
srr
October 5, 2021 1:16 am

mh says:
October 5, 2021 at 12:01 am
https://catallaxy-files.com/open-thread-tuesday-14-september-2021/comment-page-14/#comment-67800

Huge sign Qld border won’t be opening any time soon
The sudden appearance of these new structures are the biggest hint yet Queensland’s border will stay shut for weeks – if not months.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2021 1:24 am

Hey, JC, when are you going to post about your years with the trading arm of Elders – when you did the deals that dropped John Elliot in the manure? Just when you started there, and when you finished will do.

Still waiting, J.C.

srr
srr
October 5, 2021 1:56 am

Hinckley Walks: Reagan’s Would-Be Assassin Soon to Be Completely Free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZGphIEqLUc

Oct 5, 2021
Bill Whittle

The man who shot and nearly killed President Ronald Reagan in 1981 — also gravely wounding Reagan’s press secretary James Brady, and downing Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy, and Metro Police Officer Thomas Delahanty — has been declared safe for release starting in summer 2022. In 1982, John Hinckley, Jr., was found ‘not guilty by reason of insanity’, and his lawyer says his treatment succeeded. He has recovered from his mental illness. Should a would-be presidential assassin ever walk free? Can such a mental illness actually be ‘cured’?

Winston Smith
October 5, 2021 2:06 am

Timothy/Cardimona:

The baker didn’t refuse to bake a cake. The baker refused to decorate a cake with a pro-gay “marriage” message.

Let’s change a couple of the actors…
Michelangelo refuses to paint the ceiling with a fresco of three men rooting each other and a donkey.
Should he be forced to do the painting?
Yes/No?

srr
srr
October 5, 2021 3:19 am

Steve trickler says:
October 4, 2021 at 12:09 am

This series has been excellent.

****

Peter Santenello:

After a week in Amish country here are the 7 biggest lessons I learned from them.

A Week With The Amish – 7 Takeaways ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5yt7YxhEJE

Gabor
Gabor
October 5, 2021 3:41 am

FlyingPigs says:
October 5, 2021 at 12:27 am

What was that movie/book where the heads were cut off and just connected to automaton things.

You are thinking of Futurama

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2021 4:17 am
John H.
John H.
October 5, 2021 4:42 am

They like missiles and finally have home made engines on their stealth fighter.

China just showed off its future weapons at its biggest arms expo

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2021 4:49 am

more than 400 Australians identified in a massive data leak of 14 offshore tax advisory firms exposed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) in a global media investigation known as the “Pandora Papers”.

Unlike the previous data dumps (Pandora papers & Paradise papers) where the ICIJ uploaded the archive immediately after they broke the story, they haven’t done the same with the Pandora papers.
They are “curating” the release.
Which means that until they do, it’s just another partisan hit piece tarted up as an investigation.

Mater
October 5, 2021 5:20 am

The legal framework for consent in Australia is based on an informed consent or ‘opt-in’ model whereby individuals are given the option to record their intent or legal consent to donate their organs and/or tissue on the Australian Organ Donor Register.

The informed consent model used in Australia is an ethical and transparent approach which balances the need for organ and tissue donors with the right of Australians to make an informed choice.

Cool.
I still have the right of consent and informed choice about my own body…but only after I’m dead.
Having already died, I guess taking my job, my freedom and my birthday off me, wouldn’t have the same coercive effect.

Mater
October 5, 2021 5:50 am

From an article from the AusVaxSafety website written by five Doctors:

What do we know about long-term side effects?

Since December, more than 200 million people have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine worldwide — more than the total number of people who have been infected with the virus (112 million).

Given the sheer number of vaccines administered to date, common, uncommon and rare side-effects would have been detected by now. What’s more, we’ve been testing these vaccines in clinical trials since mid-2020, and both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines have shown excellent safety results.

This gives us confidence the vaccines that’ll be used around Australia are safe.

Can someone please point out the connection between the question and the answer, because I’ll be damned if I can see it.

Clearly my definition of “long-term” differs from theirs.

I’d suggest they know fuck all about the potential “long-term side effects”.

rickw
rickw
October 5, 2021 7:00 am

Mass Hysteria in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4VsGsllcs

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2021 7:23 am

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.

His strong statement comes after former Labor leader Bill Shorten called for mandatory vaccines for all federal MPs, but Mr Joyce said while he is fully vaccinated and will get a booster shot, mandating the jabs for federally elected officials would “just lead to fights”.

GET FUCKED BARNABY.
These pricks should be front of the line.
Zero exceptions.
For their partners & kids.
Vaccines are being forced onto the population.
Politicians should be subject to anything they are forcing the population into BEFORE the rest of the population has to.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2021 7:27 am

Stupid time zones.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2021 7:35 am

GET FUCKED BARNABY.
These pricks should be front of the line.
Zero exceptions.

Comment of the year. Liberty quote. Sidebar quote.

mandating the jabs for federally elected officials would “just lead to fights”.

What the FUCK does he think’s been happening for the last eighteen months?

That handful of words just threw the curtain back on that bloated, hypertensive trough-hoover’s position on the freeloading life of the Federal politician versus the actual, daily tightrope between financial and personal ruin, and worse financial and personal ruin the average householder and small businessman is forced to walk as a direct result of shit attitudes by shit people like him.

Pete of Perth
Pete of Perth
October 5, 2021 7:35 am

Beautiful night sky over Port Denison. Not a qr code in sight.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 7:39 am

If Joyce had been any good he would have refused to serve as deputy PM under Trumble.

Pogria
Pogria
October 5, 2021 7:41 am

“GET FUCKED BARNABY.
These pricks should be front of the line.
Zero exceptions.”

We also want PROOF of your vaccination. Exactly the same as you demand of us. Show us your Green Card tomato face. Show us the two Green Ticks on your phone. PROVE IT you lying sack of shit!

calli
calli
October 5, 2021 7:41 am

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.

Breathtaking.

Just when trust in our political masters hits a new low, they go even lower.

Just who are these recalcitrant ministers, and why aren’t they making their voices heard in the gadarene rush to marginalise a significant section of the community? Are they going to be issued with “fake” passes so they can enjoy so called “freedoms” while others, not so well connected, are refused them?

Just when did this stop being about a deadly virus in these people’s minds and start being about political power and control?

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 7:41 am

If the Lieboral Party and John Howard had been any good they would never had made Trumble a minister let alone leader and then PM. There is nothing good about that abrasive little man.

Goanna
Goanna
October 5, 2021 7:43 am

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.

Inconvenient truths could be exposed.

calli
calli
October 5, 2021 7:45 am

Barnaby makes it official.

The virus is finished.

We are now in the social reset phase.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 7:49 am

May be Vicky can write an article about it.

Mater
October 5, 2021 7:50 am

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.

No one should, but to seek exemptions only for politicians, is rather telling.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 7:50 am

Not only is Joyce’s statement breathtaking, it’s also lame.

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
October 5, 2021 7:52 am

Vote 1 Fat Bastard
you know you want to

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2021 7:54 am

Based on Barnaby’s idiotic statements, I now think Clive Palmer could jag a couple of senate seats.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2021 7:58 am

That handful of words just threw the curtain back on that bloated, hypertensive trough-hoover’s position on the freeloading life of the Federal politician versus the actual, daily tightrope between financial and personal ruin, and worse financial and personal ruin the average householder and small businessman is forced to walk as a direct result of shit attitudes by shit people like him.

It bears repeating.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2021 8:00 am

twostixsays:
October 4, 2021 at 11:02 pm
The unconventional libertarianism of a vast government apparatus maintaining lists of people and compelling them to make their private medical details available to anyone who runs a sandwich shop via a technological surveillance state.

This is your brain on Rand, year: 2021.

How in god’s name is this Ayn Rand’s fault?

Anyway, cake bake trolling is illegal in Australia (s 28A of the SDA) and so is the vaccine passport as outlined here over the last week (giving the information to the States is an improper use of executive power given section 10 of the AIR Act and until legally mandated, by a 49 P of the Anti Discrimination Act 1977 NSW).

All we need us freedom of association without the heavy hand of government.

The Baker would say “no thank you”. Most businesses wouldn’t demand ludicrous “vaccine passports” that are very likely illegal under the Australian Privacy Principles.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2021 8:05 am

calli says:
October 5, 2021 at 7:45 am
Barnaby makes it official.

The virus is finished.

We are now in the social reset phase.

I think that’s why Gladys jumped ship and not because of ICAC. She just didn’t know how to get off the lockdown horse gracefully or to retain her credibility with Karens once she does. Now Perrottet will be stuck with the opprobrium either way, from Karens if he opens up the state and from the rest of us if he doesn’t.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2021 8:07 am

Mater says:
October 5, 2021 at 7:50 am
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.
No one should, but to seek exemptions only for politicians, is rather telling.

But we’re all in this together. Interesting that I haven’t heard this lately. I think people saw through that one in June 2020.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2021 8:16 am

FlyingPigssays:

October 4, 2021 at 11:37 pm

I think I’ll charge Fauci for murder in The Bendigo Court.

Well, get to it and stop yapping on about it.
Let us know how it goes.

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:17 am

“GET FUCKED BARNABY.
These pricks should be front of the line.”

Yep…and their wives, partners, children, grandchildren.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:17 am

Inane

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:19 am

“feelthebernsays:
October 5, 2021 at 7:54 am
Based on Barnaby’s idiotic statements, I now think Clive Palmer could jag a couple of senate seats.”

I hope so……I want a senate full of Lib Dems, PHON and UAP.

The Nationals are, by and large, useless.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2021 8:20 am

Boomers:

You were gifted Rockwell, you left us with Orwell!

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:21 am

“Davey Boysays:
October 5, 2021 at 7:52 am
Vote 1 Fat Bastard
you know you want to”

I don’t trust Fat Bastard. Do people forget how he behaved from 2013 to 2016? I trust Pauline and Malcolm Roberts more than Fat Bastard. They’re certainly more consistent.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:21 am

At the risk of repeating myself, by revealing their attitudes to Trump (hate, fear) and Trumble (love), the LNP fully outed themselves as globalist traitors. All subsequent actions confirm this. It’s been very instructive the review their actions over the last 45 years with this knowledge.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:23 am

I wonder what tricks they will pull in next year’s election. Too dangerous for polling booths with paper ballots?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2021 8:26 am

On This Day:

869 – The Fourth Council of Constantinople is convened to depose patriarch Photios I.

Prescient.

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:28 am

“callisays:
October 5, 2021 at 7:41 am
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says federal politicians should not be forced to be vaccinated, because ensuing arguments would be counter-productive.

Breathtaking.”

Predictable. It’s pure unashamed, unadulterated Marxism. The elites get special privileges whilst the rest will do as their told.

They’re all in this together, Libs, Nats, Labor, Greens, all SCUM.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:29 am

They’re all in this together, Libs, Nats, Labor, Greens, all SCUM.

Latho calls it the cross party cabal.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 5, 2021 8:30 am

Calli

Just when did this stop being about a deadly virus in these people’s minds and start being about political power and control?

As soon as they realised that it was not particularly deadly.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 5, 2021 8:31 am

I shouldn’t laugh, really I shouldn’t.

Facebook Is Having a Very, VERY Bad Day (Cue World’s Tiniest Violin) (4 Oct)

Everyone here knows about this DNS outage by now, but the headline is the best I’ve seen about it.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2021 8:32 am

The argument is compulsion, you dummy. It’s about selective compulsion that you support. You don’t like gay marriage and therefore don’t want to see the cake maker compelled. You think the vax is a witches brew but want to compel the employer to continue employment of the non-vaxxer.

The issue here is government coercion and interference in private enterprise.

Case 1 –

A business supplies a product. That is their living. Who is there then to tell them what product they must provide and to whom? Obviously, most businesses want the widest possible customer base to remain viable. However, they are entitled for whatever reason to refuse service. For instance, how often have you heard – I’m too busy, I can’t do that, I don’t have the stock, the experience, the resources? Would you then go and sue them or would you, like any normal person, go find another provider and give them your business instead?

Case 2 –

Someone comes into your shop and asks for your basic product that is right there on the shelf. And you say, sorry, but I need to see your medical history first. The government won’t let me sell to you without it. Quite apart from the effect on the customer, just look at the effect on the business. In effect, it’s a perfect example of power without responsibility. The business puts in all the capital and the labour but is not allowed to make it’s down decisions. The government is chocking the lifeblood out of it. How long can any business survive on this basis? Why would it even try to?

Case 3 –

A business takes the line of least resistance and bows to government pressure to mandate vaccination for staff. Leaving aside that this is nothing but a bluff by government to get business to do voluntarily something it can’t itself do directly, how is this any different to an individual choosing to use the vaccine passport to gain favour? Business is put under the pump and makes it’s decisions based on what they see as the best option or the line of least resistance. Not to mention customers driven made by the endless propaganda.

I believe vax mandates are illegal under discrimination laws and hope that this will soon be proven in court but the real issue here is that private enterprise and decision making is being buried under the dead hand of government.

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:34 am

“their told”

they’re told. Apologies…am half asleep.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2021 8:34 am

Did anyone suggest that Bananaby is just in this for the private school fees for Joyce Family 2.0?

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:34 am

I don’t trust Palmer when I consider his past actions but I will vote UAP in the HoR and UAP/PHON in the senate. Assuming it is possible to vote our way out of this. Unfortunately PHON is still a problem with the Asian communities and I do socialise and work with them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2021 8:35 am

Waiter!
There’s a split hair in my cake!

calli
calli
October 5, 2021 8:35 am

Oh, it’s predictable alright.

What amazes me is the blatancy. He obviously feels secure enough to say it. Which tells me we’ve gone as far down the trust rabbit hole as we can go.

I can’t see things getting any better from here, only worse. As mentioned up thread, I can only wonder about next year’s election. Defection to minor parties may not matter.

miltonf
miltonf
October 5, 2021 8:36 am

Did anyone suggest that Bananaby is just in this for the private school fees for Joyce Family 2.0?

quite possibly

Cassie of Sydney
October 5, 2021 8:38 am

“I can’t see things getting any better from here, only worse. As mentioned up thread, I can only wonder about next year’s election. Defection to minor parties may not matter.”

I think the defection does matter to the Liberals…look at what happened in 2016.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2021 8:40 am

they’re told. Apologies…am half asleep.

Cassie, I genuinely blame my bad spelling on my second shot.

calli
calli
October 5, 2021 8:40 am

If Barnaby was just in it for the money, he would have already left politics and be warming the seat in a cozy sinecure in a crony business or qango. Plenty of money for not much work on boards and such.

calli
calli
October 5, 2021 8:41 am

It was those pesky nanna wrigglers, bern. Early inset dementia.

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