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The Little Tower of Babel, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1563

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JC
JC
October 5, 2021 10:49 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 5, 2021 at 10:38 pm

No you haven’t.

Now that, JC, is what is known as a porky.
.

I know Brucie. A month ago he was an engineer. On further discussion, he has a science degree and did a couple of units in engineering. A week ago he was a precision engineer repairing ploughs. This evening he’s a chip maker… in Brisbane. he also taught aeronautic engineering (at MIT?). Okay.

Brucie , this is a dickhead who says 1 in a million is a risk too high and want to piss on people’s graves.

Muddy
Muddy
October 5, 2021 10:50 pm

MatrixTransform says:
October 5, 2021 at 10:00 pm

Laws of the Code of Hammurabi
229 If a builder build a house for some one, and does not construct it properly, and the house which he built fall in and kill its owner, then that builder shall be put to death.

I posted at some point last week that I thought there needs to be consequences for politicians other than being voted out (and frequently moving to better paid positions). I think I dribbled something like ‘negligence by proxy’ or a similarly unintelligible phrase. My point being that when in a position of authority, where reliance is being placed on your experience and professed skill set, to initiate policy that results in a measurable loss for an individual/s (loss judged to be avoidable by a reasonable person), there should be a grievance process or opportunity for recompense, should the initiating decision/s be judged reckless.

That doesn’t make sense even to me. *Sigh* Time for bed.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 10:51 pm

Brucie.

He’s lying to you too.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2021 10:54 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 5, 2021 at 9:50 pm

A bit more FlashCat bashing on the DashCat than usual, which is unusual.

If only someone would cut and paste it over here so we could see it.

cohenite
October 5, 2021 10:56 pm
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 5, 2021 10:58 pm

JC, you can’t win an argument with Eyrie about anything technical, you don’t know enough. So you resort to abuse. This is very tedious for the rest of us, and frankly infantile. Please stop.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 5, 2021 11:01 pm

JC – Mate, Eyrie is kosher. Please erase your brain and update with the latest drivers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2021 11:04 pm

For those who can afford to break the rules this is not so for everyone here in Sydney.

A terrible tale there, P. That couple, if they are eventually fined for an over-zealous interpretation of ‘the rules’, should refuse to pay. Apparently that happened a lot in the last lockdown and the fines were removed in the end to avoid clogging the Courts. That’s what I heard, anyway.

My son has a young family and certainly would like to avoid a hefty fine, but still visits us. My point was that people everywhere, in all suburbs rich and poorer, are tweaking ‘the rules’. It is very sad when police are still hanging out persecuting people in poorer areas (where numbers of cases have fallen significantly) five days before the whole nonsense ends in NSW.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2021 11:11 pm

Cory Bernardi on “Build Back Better”

Concisely and precisely put. Servitization (read servitude) This is exactly what is intended. What I don’t understand is why our elected leaders are doing their level best to help achieve this goal.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:12 pm

Doc. what are you talking about. I just didn’t an argument with the c..t. I hung the fucking idiot. Perhaps you’re on the turps, but I never had a technical argument with the dick. He posted the following.

In the United States, for example, the FDA prohibits pharmaceutical
companies from marketing drugs for ‘off-label’ uses. And while there
is no prohibition on medical doctors prescribing drugs for unapproved
indications, obtaining regulatory approval encourages prescriptions
for second medical use
My bolding

His bolding was this:

And while there is no prohibition on medical doctors prescribing drugs for unapproved
indications, obtaining regulatory approval encourages prescriptions
for second medical use

He’s been asked to explain that if the newer Iver is essentially the same as the old why would the mass of doctors prescribe the newer phony version instead of the cheaper and old one.

He finally came up with the answer.. Queensland.

His take regarding the vax veers towards the obsessive compulsive where’s he’s posting stupid shit from trading sites about the huge risks associated with the vax. It’s vax porn, linked to obsessively.

Doc, don’t remain silent and answer to this.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:13 pm

win an argument…

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2021 11:15 pm

Could JAPAN save TAIWAN from CHINA? – VisualPolitik EN

Japan is establishing a military base on the Ishigaki Islands, a mere 130 miles from Taiwan. The base will have anti-ship and antiaircraft missiles.

MatrixTransform
October 5, 2021 11:16 pm

you can’t win an argument on the internet

it’s by design

suck it up

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 5, 2021 11:20 pm

JC, just reread the last half dozen posts you’ve made.

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:21 pm

He’s been asked to explain that if the newer Iver is essentially the same as the old why would the mass of doctors prescribe the newer phony version instead of the cheaper and old one.

..
Maybe because governments and the media have shat all over Ivermectin?

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:21 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 5, 2021 at 11:01 pm

JC – Mate, Eyrie is kosher. Please erase your brain and update with the latest drivers.

Brucie.. I think you’re suffering cognitive dissonance. You’re not reacting to the arguments put up and instead answering to questions that don’t exist.

1. Do you agree with me that US docs would not prescribe the more expensive version of Iver and even if some tried, insurance companies would refuse to cover the extra cost? Yes or fucking no?
.2. Do you agree that the risk of one in a million is too high a risk for anyone to take especially when you claim to fly light planes.

Go!

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:23 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
October 5, 2021 at 11:16 pm
you can’t win an argument on the internet

..
And none of the fuckers will show up in person for a hiding.
All this was so much easier when we conducted our social intercourse in pubs and smoko rooms.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:25 pm

Maybe because governments and the media have shat all over Ivermectin?

Walk it through for us. Why would doctors be afraid of prescribing the cheaper version when there’s nothing public about a prescription. Also why would insurance companies give a shit?

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:26 pm

Thusly:

Restrictions placed on ivermectin use in general practice
GPs can now only prescribe the drug, which has been touted as a potential COVID cure, for TGA-approved indications.

-News MD

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2021 11:28 pm

Borde Gateway Protocols , Domain Name Servers and Routing Protocols, Hairy just had to come in and give me a little lecture on the hacking of the internet that happened today and his opinion on the various points of weakness, the ‘vulnerabilities’, with Hawai selling the BGP routers and well, there you go. Apparently. A show of force, out of China or Russia? He’s quite fired up about it. Love him when he gets so enthusiastic explaining things to me that I only half-comprehend but he just has to tell to someone because he’s been thinking about it and what happened. He reminded me of the time some years ago when he and his research team were working in British Telecom Labs and were experimentally fiddling around with making links to their own Sydney base in a manner that inadvertently sent the whole of BT activity for a while via Sydney, which slowed things down considerably.

This internet thingy sounds fairly flakey to me at times, even now.

No wonder I have chosen the path of being a total technophobe. I can still remember telephones on a stick with a mouthpiece and a hook to hang the earpiece on.

At some stage, you just give up on the new.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:29 pm

DrBeauGan says:
October 5, 2021 at 11:20 pm

JC, just reread the last half dozen posts you’ve made.

Like this, Doc?

I’ll laugh my arse off at your funeral and actually buy the Avgas to fly down and piss on your grave.

Oh hang on, I didn’t make that comment. The engineering prodigy did because I’ve taken the vax.

You think his comments about the vax over the past 9 or so months have been normal and rational, do you Doc? Technical arguments?

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:31 pm

And this one:

A judge in Ohio ruled on Monday that a hospital in the region must administer ivermectin to a patient very sick with COVID-19 in their ICU, despite the decision by the medical staff, in agreement with recent statements by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), that ivermectin is not an appropriate treatment, as it has been shown not to work against COVID.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:31 pm

Arky says:
October 5, 2021 at 11:26 pm

Thusly:

Restrictions placed on ivermectin use in general practice
GPs can now only prescribe the drug, which has been touted as a potential COVID cure, for TGA-approved indications.

-News MD

If that’s to me, explain what it has to do with the US?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2021 11:32 pm

All this was so much easier when we conducted our social intercourse in pubs and smoko rooms.

My sentiments exactly, Arky. Although I do draw the line at being relegated to the Ladies Parlour out the back. 🙂

Gab
Gab
October 5, 2021 11:32 pm

ICYMI now over 24,000 signatures

[Forwarded from CovidMedicalNetworkAustralia http://www.covidmedicalnetwork.com]

Earlier this year, the government placed a gag order on doctors and all health care providers through AHPRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Authority), which means that if any healthcare worker questioned the short, medium or long-term safety of the vaccine, or need for more information, they faced the possibility of legal action or being deregistered.

This petition to parliament is to remove that threat from AHPRA against our doctors and healthcare workers, so they are able to give you uncensored information and medical opinion.

Please sign and share everywhere, we need 100,000 signatures for the petition to reach parliament.

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3375

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:33 pm

And this one:

The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug “thousands” of times for treatment of COVID-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.

The FDA has been warning against the use of ivermectin for treatment of COVID-19 since March. The drug is used to treat parasitic infections, primarily in livestock, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently cautioned about an increase in reports to poison centers of severe illness caused by the drug.

MatrixTransform
October 5, 2021 11:34 pm

there should be a grievance process or opportunity for recompense

yah.

I’m bothered a lot that that some party mong who get preselected and then got voted in (say, a prostitute for instance), gets to have a casting vote in arresting normal parliament under the guise of the Most Emergent Emergence Evah.

destroyed the economy in every way,
fucked the middle class and working class equally
tore due process to pieces
for basically nothing

…and none are accountable?

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:35 pm

And this one:

State entities could ‘take action’ against doctors prescribing Ivermectin
Washington Medical Commission officials say they’re already seeing complaints on this issue

P
P
October 5, 2021 11:38 pm

I’ve disliked so much “Build Back Better” I find it difficult to realise that this could presently apply to newcatallaxy.blog. It does though seem to be the case at this time and I hope it continues to be so.
I consider this blog to be classy and a cut above.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 5, 2021 11:39 pm

Brucie.. I think you’re suffering cognitive dissonance.

I think I’m trying to read my book, JC, but you are being such a berk that I’ve been distracted. And I should be in bed, since I’ll have a magpie outside my window like a feathered alarm clock at 6 am. At least now with daylight saving it isn’t 5am. You are really thick sometimes.

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:39 pm

This one:

The Oregon Board of Pharmacy sent an update earlier this month to members that mentioned that Ivermectin has not yet been proven safe and effective against COVID-19, but also that “pharmacists receiving prescriptions for ivermectin for the treatment or prevention COVID-19 should use their professional judgment in determining whether to fill them.”

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:39 pm

This one:

Ohio Judge Reverses Order Requiring Covid Patient to Be Given Ivermectin
An intubated patient was prescribed the deworming drug by his doctor. Federal health officials have said that it has not been shown to be effective against the coronavirus and that it can be toxic in humans.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:41 pm

The drug is not prohibited from being prescribed in the US for Covid The FDA has a point about investigating a doc dishing out prescriptions in the thousands. FDA should check it out. A warning against the use means exactly that. It’s not prohibited.

Please explain the insurance angle and why these firms would pay out on policies for the more expensive version.

Maybe there this to consider. There are very inferior meta studies about Iver but there are no more exacting randomized double blind studies that prove Iver works. Sorry , India isn’t going to cut it.

People have also used the Trump angle suggesting that Iver is being dissed because Trump supported it, but Trump never talked about Iver. He peddled HydraQ

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:42 pm

This one:

The Washington Medical Commission is set to consider disciplinary actions on Tuesday against physicians who prescribe a powerful horse dewormer to fight COVID-19.
https://trialsitenews.com/forums/discussion/pharmacies-refusing-to-fill-ivermectin-prescriptions/

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:43 pm

Sorry, repeat quote, should vab=ve been this one:

I have been prescribing Ivermectin for the last 6 months. The last 2 weeks I have had two pharmacies refuse to fill my prescriptions stating that Ivermectin is not FDA approved for treating Sars-Cov-2 infections. I called the pharmacist and asked exactly how many off label scripts she still fills and if this new approach is across the board. She reported it was only for Ivermectin. This was Rite Aid Pharmacy and I was told this is their policy as of 2 weeks ago.

MatrixTransform
October 5, 2021 11:43 pm

I consider this blog to be classy and a cut above.

would Madam like some canapes or sherry?

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:45 pm

This one:

In allowing Section 21 applications as part of a controlled compassionate access programme, SAHPRA has essentially shifted the responsibility for deciding whether the antiparasitic ivermectin is safe and effective enough to be used in the treatment of Covid-19 on to doctors. This places an enormous responsibility on doctors.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-01-31-sahpra-decision-on-ivermectin-shifts-a-heavy-responsibility-to-doctors/

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:46 pm

Is the question answered yet?
There are fucking thousands of these articles from around the States and around the whole world.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:47 pm

Is there one single state or federal sanctioned prohibition on a single one of your links as I don’t see it?

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:48 pm

Not a single one.

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:49 pm

Your original question:

Why would doctors be afraid of prescribing the cheaper version when there’s nothing public about a prescription. Also why would insurance companies give a shit?

..
Is answered.
I can’t help if you can’t or won’t see it.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 5, 2021 11:50 pm

I consider this blog to be classy and a cut above.

I agree, it’s very good. Better than Sincs.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:52 pm

Is the question answered yet?

No and not a single one of your examples has claimed the med is prohibited from being prescribed for covid in the US. Not a single link.

There are fucking thousands of these articles from around the States and around the whole world.

My comment has always related to the US and what the engineer suggested about the US. I’ve haven’t discussed the “whole” fucking “world”.

Arky
October 5, 2021 11:57 pm

It’s a total mystery.
Why would doctors be unwilling to prescribe a drug that has been widely demonised in the media as “horse de-wormer”, “poison” and “ineffective”, when state medical boards are threatening to investigate those who prescribe it, chemists are refusing to fill the prescriptions and the CDC is making a specific point of saying repeatedly that they don’t approve it for that use?
What’s wrong with these guys? Pussies.

JC
JC
October 5, 2021 11:57 pm

Is answered.
I can’t help if you can’t or won’t see it.

No it isn’t because it’s still being prescribed for covid in the US . You’re links suggest that.

Even so, you’re now wanting to have people believe that the cheaper slightly tinged version would get through the insurance companies where the additional cost would hike costs from a buck a pill to what Eyrie suggested much earlier, $1,000 bucks a pill or a course (I forget which). THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 12:03 am

MatrixTransformsays:
October 5, 2021 at 11:34 pm
there should be a grievance process or opportunity for recompense

yah.

I’m bothered a lot that that some party mong who get preselected and then got voted in (say, a prostitute for instance), gets to have a casting vote in arresting normal parliament under the guise of the Most Emergent Emergence Evah.

destroyed the economy in every way,
fucked the middle class and working class equally
tore due process to pieces
for basically nothing

…and none are accountable?

I used to advise people to remember that the political class looks after itself first and foremost. So I don’t expect that class to increase the likelihood of punishment against its own members. In private industry some of their deeds would involve punishments ranging from dismissal to criminal negligence and large sums of money in compensation. I don’t know what we can do about this. I can’t remember but wasn’t it the case that decades ago politicians were subject to more censure?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 12:04 am

It’s a total mystery.

Not it isn’t. You’re characterizating what even your links are suggesting is going on. They should investigate the doc prescribing thousands of courses because the FDA should do that in this or any case if it looks out of the ordinary.

Why would doctors be unwilling to prescribe a drug that has been widely demonised in the media as “horse de-wormer”, “poison” and “ineffective”, when state medical boards are threatening to investigate those who prescribe it, chemists are refusing to fill the prescriptions and the CDC is making a specific point of saying repeatedly that they don’t approve it for that use?

Oh how about insurance companies forcing it through. Or are they considered woke too?

What’s wrong with these guys? Pussies.

Insurance companies will not be pussies if the meds are identical to Iver or even close too. They will force the docs to prescribe the old or they will refuse coverage.

I’m now having doubts that the new Merck and Pfizer drugs are even close to the old Iver. I’m starting to think it’s fake news.

Arky
October 6, 2021 12:10 am

Why would doctors be afraid of prescribing the cheaper version

Answered.
Now you’re asking a DIFFERENT question:

Oh how about insurance companies

..
Dunno. Maybe:

Why would (INSURANCE COMPANIES) be unwilling to (PUSH THROUGH) a drug that has been widely demonised in the media as “horse de-wormer”, “poison” and “ineffective”, when state medical boards are threatening to investigate those who prescribe it, chemists are refusing to fill the prescriptions and the CDC is making a specific point of saying repeatedly that they don’t approve it for that use?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:12 am

No and not a single one of your examples has claimed the med is prohibited from being prescribed for covid in the US. Not a single link.

what do the links say JC????

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:16 am

Fauci, and his gain of function WHO bagman, are murderers on a grand scale.

Murder Inc.

Arky
October 6, 2021 12:17 am

Insurance companies:

My pharmacist in Southern California, and small, independent pharmacy, said that the insurance companies are threatening them with taking away their contracts and licenses and threatening them into not carrying/dispensing Ivermectin any longer. It’s very upsetting.

https://trialsitenews.com/groups/covid-19-early-treatments/forum/discussion/pharmacies-refusing-to-fill-ivermectin-script/

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 6, 2021 12:18 am

Dennis Hutchings trial: Civilian shot during Troubles ‘had the mind of a child’
Henry McDonald, Belfast | Larisa Brown, Defence Editor
Tuesday October 05 2021, 12.01am BST, The Times
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A man shot dead during the Troubles had “the mind of a child”, the trial of a former British soldier charged over the killing has been told.

Dennis Hutchings, 80, denies the attempted murder of John Patrick Cunningham, who was fatally shot in the back while running away from a British army patrol in Co Tyrone in 1974.

Hutchings, from Cornwall, also denies inflicting grievous bodily harm on Cunningham, 27, who had learning difficulties and was said to be afraid of the military and people in uniform.

Charles MacCreanor QC, for the prosecution, told the court that a local parish priest had said Cunningham had “the mind of a child”. They said the shooting was unjustified and went “beyond the army’s own rules for engagement”.

Cunningham had been medically assessed as having “an incomplete development of the mind” and in need of special care, the court was told.

MacCreanor accepted that the case against Dennis Hutchings was circumstantial. He is not facing a murder charge because there was no forensic evidence to identify which bullets struck the victim. These bullets, the court was told, were never recovered from the scene of the shooting.

Ministers are preparing to introduce a de-facto amnesty for all those accused of unsolved crimes from the Troubles despite controversy surrounding the proposals.
John Patrick Cunningham, 27, had learning difficulties and required special care
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The legislation, which has been repeatedly delayed, will put an end to future prosecutions of military veterans and paramilitaries but it will not apply to those already going through legal proceedings.

The Diplock-style non-jury trial at Belfast Crown Court, presided over by Mr Justice O’Hara, was told that on the day of the shooting the victim was walking on a rural road near his home when two army Land Rovers came around a corner and met him.

MacCreanor said that soldiers on the patrol had described the victim as seeming “startled, confused or surprised”. He said that the victim began to run and climbed over a gate into an adjoining field. Hutchings gave chase along with another soldier who is now dead, the court was told.

The second soldier, named as Soldier E, in previous statements said he had overtaken Hutchings in the chase.

Soldier E said he had cocked his weapon when Cunningham turned around with his hand inside his jacket. The court was told he then heard a shot fired from behind him, then several others, and saw Cunningham fall to the ground.

Forensic officers mapped the distance between two bullet casings found in the field and the body of the victim as 91m.

Outside the court 20 of the former soldier’s supporters gathered, including Carla Lockhart, the DUP MP for Upper Bann.

The group, which included men wearing military-style camouflage uniforms as well as the maroon beret of the Parachute Regiment, clapped and cheered Hutchings when he arrived. They also waved flags with pictures of the army veteran on them.

On the breast pocket of his suit jacket Hutchings wore four military medals including one he was awarded while deployed in Northern Ireland. He had failed in a legal bid to be allowed to wear his military uniform in court. Hutchings is a former member of the Life Guards Regiment.

He also lost a Supreme Court case in 2019 to have his trial heard by a jury. Instead the non-jury case was meant to go ahead in Belfast in 2020 but was cancelled due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Accompanying Hutchings into court was the Conservative MP and former army officer Johnny Mercer who campaigns against the prosecution of military veterans who had served in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Earlier this year Mercer said he was “forced” to resign from his post as a junior defence minister over his opposition to prosecuting ex-soldiers.

The trial continues.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 12:18 am

Piggies

Go through the links yourself individually. Post them and either tick or cross each to show prohibition or non. Not a single one says it’s prohibited to prescribe Iver for Covid. There’s actually a good reason. There’s been no gold standard testing to suggest it works. Meta studies are shit.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 12:22 am

Jeez Arky

Arky, that’s a comment on a blog. Can you verify if the claim is true.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:24 am

JC says:
October 6, 2021 at 12:18 am

Piggies

JC

I love you long time.

What then are those links showing????

Arky
October 6, 2021 12:25 am

Ivermectin: C48H74O14
Ivermectin and its related drugs act by interfering with the nerve and muscle functions of helminths and insects.[57] The drug binds to glutamate-gated chloride channels common to invertebrate nerve and muscle cells.[58] The binding pushes the channels open, which increases the flow of chloride ions and hyper-polarizes the cell membranes,[57] paralyzing and killing the invertebrate.[58] Ivermectin is safe for mammals (at the normal therapeutic doses used to cure parasite infections) because mammalian glutamate-gated chloride channels only occur in the brain and spinal cord: the causative avermectins usually do not cross the blood–brain barrier, and are unlikely to bind to other mammalian ligand-gated channels.[58]

Molnupiravir C13H19N3O7
Molnupiravir is metabolized into a ribonucleoside analog that resembles cytidine, ß-D-N 4-Hydroxycytidine 5?-triphosphate (also called EIDD-1931 5?-triphosphate).[4][5] During replication, the virus’s RNA polymerase enzyme incorporates EIDD-1931 into newly made RNA instead of using real cytidine.[5]

EIDD-1931 can swap between two forms (tautomers), one of which mimics cytidine (C) and the other of which mimics uridine (U).[6] When the viral RNA polymerase attempts to copy RNA containing EIDD-1931, it sometimes interprets it as C and sometimes as U.[6] This causes a massive number of mutations in all downstream viral copies that exceeds the threshold the virus can survive, an effect called viral error catastrophe or lethal mutagenesis.[7]

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 12:25 am

Tell u what. I will call Rite Aid in Southern California tomorrow our time and post what they say to my request for filling an iver prescription.
Also post the address and phone number.

Arky
October 6, 2021 12:25 am

(From Wikipedia)

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 12:29 am

Piggies

Resistance and attempts to persuade against iver. That’s not prohibition though and I’m not sure a doc can be prohibited from doing so in the US. There are insurance limitations obviously, but even then the patient can cover the cost himself.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:30 am

And JC

Gubbmint is not your friend.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 12:33 am

Western Civilisation:
Survived the First World War, the Fascists / Nazis & then the Soviets….

Now being comprehensively destroyed by the Satanic Alliance of Big Pharma, Big Tech/MSM and Big Government, funded by the CCP Crime Families. And not a shot fired.

Arky
October 6, 2021 12:38 am

It will be interesting to see what happens in these progressive jurisdictions once the Molnupiravir comes available.

In June 2021, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services committed to buy US$1.2 billion worth of molnupiravir (approximately 1.7 million courses) from Merck if it received an emergency use authorization (EUA) or approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).[20][21][22]

On 1 October 2021, Merck stated that an independent advisory board that had been monitoring the COVID-19 clinical trial recommended that recruitment into the study be stopped early because of convincing evidence of the drug’s benefits,[23] reducing the risk of hospitalization or death by 48%.[18][19] Merck announced plans to seek an EUA from the FDA, and to submit marketing applications to other global drug regulators. The company announced plans to license the drug to generic manufacturers, to accelerate its availabili

..
Will go the way of Ivermectin to keep the vaxxes as the preferred, mandated option, or will it run alongside ongoing boosters?
It won’t replace vaccination.
They’ve made too much fuss over the vaxxes to let that go.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:38 am

JC says:
October 6, 2021 at 12:25 am

Tell u what. I will call Rite Aid in Southern California tomorrow our time and post what they say to my request for filling an iver prescription.
Also post the address and phone number.

But will you state that you want an Iver prescription to protect you, or a loved one, against Covid????

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 12:45 am

Fat Tony says:
October 6, 2021 at 12:33 am

Western Civilisation:
Survived the First World War, the Fascists / Nazis & then the Soviets….

Now being comprehensively destroyed by the Satanic Alliance of Big Pharma, Big Tech/MSM and Big Government, funded by the CCP Crime Families. And not a shot fired.

Absolutely unbelievable FT.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 12:57 am

They’ve made too much fuss over the vaxxes to let that go.

Arky – the “vaxxes” have an important role to play – that’s why they won’t let them go.

Hint: It’s not for our benefit – they are looting the West whilst destroying it.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 1:05 am

DIVINYLS – Pleasure & Pain (1985) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5boYiMktOvs

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 6, 2021 1:28 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
October 6, 2021 at 12:18 am

Weird and all that the occasion came about but I actually met a British soldier who had killed a person during “The Troubles”.

I don’t see much difference between him and Australian Police action in Victoria.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 1:40 am

Those dreaded socialist mind control nations, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, have dropped all restrictions, caseloads have crashed, and everyone is happy again.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/covid-cases-plunge-after-norway-abruptly-gets-rid-of-all-restrictions/news-story/d8c810f94ad5d6a5448dd03ac7d09ae0

jupes
jupes
October 6, 2021 1:47 am

I don’t see much difference between him and Australian Police action in Victoria.

You are a fuckwit.

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:02 am

Bigotty bigot David Rowe.

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 4:14 am
rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 4:37 am
rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 5:11 am
Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 5:22 am

There’s been no gold standard testing to suggest it works. Meta studies are shit.

I think you’ve been conned here.

The same level of scrutiny to all drug approvals would see no pharmaceutical drugs ever released for public consumption.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 5:22 am

There is also a pdf called
‘A Prospective Oral Treatment For Covid 19’ at Mdpi.com

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 5:23 am

JC

How does Tamiflu get approval but Ivermectin (take Joe Rogan for example) get retroactively banned?

Next: ban quercetin.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 5:23 am

*A nation of sheep, a government of wolves*

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 5:30 am

Politicians are like diapers. They have to be changed regularly and for the same reason.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 5:37 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 6:16 am

Rosie I think the confusion is that Pfizer’s antiviral and ivermectin are both said to be protease inhibitors, from what I’ve read. I’ve not looked in detail though.

Merck’s one (ie. molnupiravir) looks to have a different mode of action. On the other hand it had TDS problems interfering with its certification, and that has been going relatively slowly compared with the vaccines.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 6:35 am

This sacking of police and teachers in NSW- you refuse to injected with an experimental concoction and you receive a letter of termination? If would have thought that was wrongful dismissal.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 6:35 am

Based on the standards applied to the COVID vaccines, almost every cancer drug in development should be given emergency authorisation.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 6:40 am

Driving into my office this morning, the car is set to Triple M.
Moon man (Laurence Moony) starts up on Dan Brown/Opus Dei/Perrottet.
Flick up to 2Day FM, Dave Hughes, “he’s only 39, he’s a bit young isn’t he?”
Keep going to KIIS, Kyle & Jackie-O talking Sharri Markson & the Wuhan lab leak.
WTF.
The simulation is breaking down.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 6:52 am

So the only skerrick of intelligence was on KIIS. Always depressing when you turn up to work and hear people vomiting up the day’s talking points from TV and radio.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 6:55 am

I just listen to wooly AM music stations in the morning but turn off the hourly propaganda dumps. FM’s for night driving.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:06 am

It’s 2021 & perpetual grub Kyle Sandilands is a public intellectual?
LSD’s a helluva drug.

h/t Chappelle (kinda).

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 7:08 am

Johnny Rotten and Russell Brand have come up trumps too.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 7:09 am

Never minded the Sex Pistols. I used to dislike Brand. Sex Pistols were right about the Saxe-Coburg Gothas.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:12 am

Mine’s set to the local Christian station, which my agnostic son breezily calls “Hits from Heaven”. The news appears to be from a syndicated source and as a result is woke-tilted. At least it comes in a small and tolerable batch.

Commercial radio on offer is mindless, guffawing ratbaggery interspersed with the occasional music track. I won’t touch anything from the ABC, and I don’t listen to the community station.

And now I’ve switched off morning and evening propaganda on the tv. Blissful ignorance.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:13 am

Sarah, a 36-year-old woman living in California, had lived with chronic depression for five years. She felt suicidal multiple times an hour and was unable to make decisions about basic questions like what to eat. Nothing she had tried to treat it, including electroconvulsive therapy, had helped.

Then, in June 2020, she had an implant inserted into her skull that zaps the parts of her brain that cause her illness. The remarkable results, published in Nature Medicine today, raise the prospect of personalized treatments for people with severe mental illnesses that don’t respond to therapy or medication.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/04/1036430/brain-implant-zaps-electricity-depression/?truid=511cda4596687ad1e8c0a33a5309beb3&utm_source=the_download&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_term=Active%20Qualified&utm_content=10-05-2021&mc_cid=78734e89c2&mc_eid=6cb9ef82da

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:14 am

Brand is a real eye-opener. Who’d have thought?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:14 am

I think MIT give you a free article a month so that shouldn’t be paywalled.

sfw
sfw
October 6, 2021 7:15 am

The migration figures for last year from that gov report posted earlier.

Migration Program Outcome – Further Information
Source countries
The largest source citizenship countries of migrants in 2020-21 were:
? China with 22,207 places
? India with 21,791 places
? United Kingdom with 12,703 places
? Philippines with 11,058 places
? Vietnam with 8,120 places
? United States of America with 5,048 places
? Nepal with 4,714 places
? Hong Kong with 4,313 places
? Pakistan with 4,121 places
? Thailand with 4,002 places

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 7:16 am

Morning FM radio just assaults and insults you. Still like FM blasting out a good song driving at night though.

Mater
October 6, 2021 7:23 am

Brand is a real eye-opener. Who’d have thought?

I’ve been impressed with Brands comments of late.
I am sceptical of the claim that our current issues have conflated the lines between left and right. In terms of who is upset by the current situation, this is probably right.

However, in terms of political theory, I still see this as an inevitable result of big Government and centralised planning/control.

Many on the Left might hate it, but that doesn’t automatically make it a pox-on-both-your-houses issue in terms of political theory. It just means that those protesters from the Left…were wrong.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 7:25 am

Francis’s brain seems to explode every so often.

Pope Francis: Religions Are All ‘Different Ways of Coming to God’ (5 Oct)

Rather than quote from the story I’ll quote directly from the speech:

Religions have always had a close relationship with education, accompanying religious activities with educational, scholastic and academic ones. As in the past, so also in our day, with the wisdom and humanity of our religious traditions, we want to be a stimulus for a renewed educational activity that can advance universal fraternity in our world.

If in the past, our differences set us at odds, nowadays we see in them the richness of different ways of coming to God and of educating young people for peaceful coexistence in mutual respect.

Yesterday he also went over the top:

Pope Francis Calls for ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions as Soon as Possible’ (4 Oct)

Please stick to the Gospel mister.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 7:28 am

More sexual assault in football. Young female players abused and sexually preyed upon. Will be interesting to see how the sisterhood treat (/ignore) this.

Football Australia to investigate allegations of sexual harassment, indecent assault in women’s football

Lisa De Vanna, Australia’s second highest goalscorer, suggested she suffered sexual harassment, indecent assault, grooming and bullying from senior players throughout her career with incidents since 2001 when she was part of the Young Matildas side.
“I was pulled down from behind and dry-humped by a few of my teammates. I fought my way off the floor kicking and screaming. They thought it was funny,” De Vanna said. “I was just a young kid from Perth, I didn’t know any different. I lost my shit and wanted to punch them.”

De Vanna also detailed incidents of sexual harassment that occurred in a shower where she alleges she received unwanted advances from other players.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 7:35 am

“Brand is a real eye-opener. Who’d have thought?”

He’s been on this trajectory for a while now. Unlike so many, he’s a thinker.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 7:38 am

Thank for clearing up the ‘confusion’ BoN

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 7:39 am

rosiesays:
October 6, 2021 at 4:46 am
Royal Melbourne, iirc the hospital that refused to take covid patients from aged care in 2020 crying about coping with covid crisis, still their ‘scrub choir’s vid of Bruno Mars’ Count on Me is pretty good (and very professionally edited) via Tony Tardun on twitter if that’s okay with rumplestiltsrrin

.. and there’s Michelle Spence again. Her of the ‘begging for a vaccine’.

How many months now has Vic had to get ready for this inevitable rise in Covid patients? 20 ?

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 7:41 am

Also BoN I take it you think all religious leaders should confine their public remarks to gospel exegesis

That’s a very narrow lane.

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 7:41 am

Football Australia to investigate allegations of sexual harassment, indecent assault in women’s football

Maybe there should be more gender diversity in women’s sport.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 7:41 am

“Football Australia to investigate allegations of sexual harassment, indecent assault in women’s football”

I’m looking forward to hearing what Grace Tame and Brittany Higgins say about this.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 7:43 am

Rosie – ‘Conflation’ would be a better word I think. Natural since the Pfizer and Merck announcements came out at nearly the same time, with Pfizer first out the gate. Not as quick as the Bee though. 😀

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 7:43 am

rosiesays:
October 6, 2021 at 4:46 am
Royal Melbourne, iirc the hospital that refused to take covid patients from aged care in 2020 crying about coping with covid crisis

more on this.. from September. Spin baby, spin.
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/victoria-claims-enough-icu-capacity-to-meet-10-000-cases-a-week-20210907-p58pk6

Victoria claims it has ICU capacity of 4000 beds, enough it says to meet tens of thousands of cases a week, as the state braces for a surge in demand for acute care and local infections continue to rise sharply.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 7:44 am

“Football Australia to investigate allegations of sexual harassment, indecent assault in women’s football”

the only question to be answered, of course, is “were both hot ?”

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:47 am

all religious leaders should confine their public remarks to gospel exegesis

It might be useful if they started out with the Gospel and then built arguments about contemporary issues around it, rather than adding it on as an afterthought or dispensing with it altogether.

And I’m not having a go at the Pope here – it seems to be a contagious condition infecting a whole raft of them.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 7:50 am

Confusion was the word you used upthread BoN

I was just quoting you.

132andBush
132andBush
October 6, 2021 7:50 am

Steven Crowder discusses the new drug v ivermectin

Posting this again.
Well worth the listen.

The new antiviral has only been compared to Remdesivir which itself is significantly inferior to ivermectin.

From the 50:00 mark.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:53 am

On another issue, any Cats with allergies noticing an increase in symptoms this year? I can’t help but think the pollen loads are immense. It has been affecting me for weeks.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 7:58 am

COVID Outbreak Sparked by Fully Vaccinated Patient Challenges Vaccine-Induced Herd Immunity Theory

And despite the fact that they’re obviously ineffective, they’re already working on the next cash cow.

The head of BioNTech — the German company that co-developed a COVID vaccine with Pfizer — said a new formula will likely be needed by mid-2022 to protect against future mutations of the virus.

According to Bloomberg, Ugur Sahin, co-founder and CEO of BioNtech, told the Financial Times that while current COVID vaiants, such as the contagious Delta strain, were not different enough to undermine current vaccinations, new strains will emerge that can evade booster shots and the body’s immune defenses.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 6, 2021 7:58 am

I’m looking forward to hearing what Grace Tame and Brittany Higgins say about this.

Oh yes.

The organised and institutional faux-testosterone-fuelled monstering of fresh meat by predatory bull dykes, enabled and hidden by sporting bodies’ adherence to the tenet that their meal tickets can do no wrong.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 7:59 am

calli – I’ve never thought of myself as an allergy person, but my nasal passages have been going almost 24/7 this season. I’ve also had a couple of sinus infections to deal with.

I blame masks for the sinus.

Mater
October 6, 2021 8:00 am

The new antiviral has only been compared to Remdesivir which itself is significantly inferior to ivermectin.

And yet got ‘provisional approval’ under the new, bastardised approval criteria…but only to be used on those on deaths doorstep from ‘Covid’. Note, not preventative.

“The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has granted provisional approval to remdesivir (“Veklury”, Gilead Sciences Pty Ltd) as the first treatment option for COVID-19. It has received provisional approval for use in adults and adolescent patients with severe COVID-19 symptoms who have been hospitalised.

Remdesivir is the most promising treatment option so far to reduce hospitalisation time for those suffering from severe coronavirus infections.”

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:00 am

And I’m not having a go at the Pope here – it seems to be a contagious condition infecting a whole raft of them.

I am.

Catholic Archbishop Warns The World That Pope Francis Is Helping To Usher In The ‘Great Reset’

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 8:01 am

Also BoN I take it you think all religious leaders should confine their public remarks to gospel exegesis
That’s a very narrow lane.

Yes I suppose wider commenting would be reasonable sometimes. But saying other religions are “ways of coming to God” is entirely contrary to the Bible. And promulgating a fraud like CAGW is nearly as bad.

I would be quite happy for Welby to stick to the Gospel too (he’s also on board with the net-zero thing). Maybe these guys need probationary licences until they demonstrate they can lead without saying totally stupid stuff.

I can provide a great amount of data which shows nothing much has been happening, plus more data and analysis of why that is the case. Therefore Francis and Welby are pushing an evil lie, given they want “a radical change in lifestyles”. Now if that was a call to repentance I’d not complain, but it seems to be a call to squalor and totalitarian socialism.

Meanwhile on CAGW here’s one today:

Global Warming? Not Lately | Power Line (4 Oct)

sfw
sfw
October 6, 2021 8:02 am

Seems that wuflu cases keep rising regardless of the ‘vaccination’ rate. Israel, Iceland and heaps of others, so will Dan do an Israel and start demanding ‘booster shots’? and continue with the emergency powers indefinitely? I reckon he will get another extension in December and keep getting them and delay the next election as long as possible, he would like to be premier for life.

This is Vermont in the US, the state with the highest vax rate.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-supposed-happen-us-state-highest-vaxx-rate-sees-record-surge-covid-cases

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:03 am

The Research Is Clear: Ivermectin Is a Safe, Effective Treatment for COVID, so Why Isn’t It Being Used?

It works where it’s use is permitted. Everything possible is being done to prevent use in the West. Funny that.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:06 am

Remdesivir is the most promising treatment option so far to reduce hospitalisation time for those suffering from severe coronavirus infections.”

Yes, because it kills you. Quick and easy. What better way to keep ginning up the panic.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:06 am

Duncanm, I wonder if what appear to be high pollen loads are a natural response to the fires two years ago. We have a massive amount of regrowth almost nation-wide on a recently fertilised (ash) fireground. Most plants take a season to recover then flower their heads off.

Megan
Megan
October 6, 2021 8:06 am

Remdesivir is the most promising treatment option so far to reduce hospitalisation time for those suffering from severe coronavirus infections.”

That statement is clearly an outright lie. They not only tell the lie to us but they are telling it to themselves. It is criminal and one day I hope to see every single one of them pay for it.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:08 am

Pfizer better withdraw Viagra then. It’s a cardiovascular drug and really shouldn’t be used for anything else.

Entropy
Entropy
October 6, 2021 8:10 am

Shenanigans in women’s football are nothing compared with the stories I got from a co worker who. Used to play women’s cricket at state level. She abruptly gave it all away on return from a national comp in Darwin after the abuse and assaults started following the general discovery she lived with a bloke.

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 8:10 am

I’m looking forward to hearing what Grace Tame and Brittany Higgins say about this.

This year’s media dial-a-quotes because vagina. (They get the gig only because they’re trying to help Labor win the next federal election and 90%+ of journalists vote Labor-Greens) Who will it be next year?

Mater
October 6, 2021 8:11 am

The new antiviral has only been compared to Remdesivir which itself is significantly inferior to ivermectin.

Think about this:

Remdesivir got Provisional Approval from the TGA to use only on ‘near-dead’ patients.
Ivermectin got put on the poisons registry by the TGA, in order to prevent its use in stopping said patients becoming ‘near-dead’.

Something is wrong here.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 6, 2021 8:11 am

“I was pulled down from behind and dry-humped by a few of my teammates. I fought my way off the floor kicking and screaming. They thought it was funny,” De Vanna said.

Well done young lady for speaking out. Additionally hurtful to the fat rug munchers would be De Vanna’s status as No. 2 goalscorer, thus dispelling the apparent concept in some circles that you must be on the other bus to excel in (the admittedly lower podium of) chick sport.

Not once have I been dragged to the deck and dry humped by teammates in 40 years of organised, competitive sport at any level. Not once have I been grabbed on the cock by teammates, or had them try and put things inside me. Groomed? Not once.

If you want to bark from the other side of the fence, fine. Form a relationship with a sporting colleague? Fine.

But I am going to take a whole pile of convincing that this condoned and endemic treatment of people in organised womens’ sport by their respective Mean Girls cliques isn’t the result of massive overcompensation by these retarded butch lesbians for their basic insecurity and self-perceptions of inadequacy.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 8:12 am

“The organised and institutional faux-testosterone-fuelled monstering of fresh meat by predatory bull dykes, enabled and hidden by sporting bodies’ adherence to the tenet that their meal tickets can do no wrong.”

Correct…and everyone has known it to be the case for decades yet there’s been a code of silence.
Why, because it doesn’t fit the narrative coz don’t you know, it’s only males, particularly white males, who are bad. So it appears that some sexual harassment, bullying and indecent assault is either considered okay or it’s a case of “just look the other way” all because it is females who are the perpetrators of the harassment, bullying and assault and it is females who are grooming and preying on young girls.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 8:13 am

feelthebern says:
October 5, 2021 at 10:10 pm
Tesla is a religion.

Yes.
Two mates got one for a week, last year.
Their description of its capabilities was an exercise in religious fervour. Not so much on the disadvantages though. Just that it drove extremely well.

Entropy
Entropy
October 6, 2021 8:13 am

It’s a virus, of course there will have to be booster shots. Every year. Just like the flu.
No conspiracy, viruses mutate.

This fear mongering is becoming irrational.

Mater
October 6, 2021 8:13 am

Pfizer better withdraw Viagra then. It’s a cardiovascular drug and really shouldn’t be used for anything else.

My brother uses it for a cardiovascular problem.
He jokes that whilst his wife remains ‘unvaccinated’, she’s definitely had the Pfizer jab.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 8:13 am

“Shenanigans in women’s football are nothing compared with the stories I got from a co worker who. Used to play women’s cricket at state level. She abruptly gave it all away on return from a national comp in Darwin after the abuse and assaults started following the general discovery she lived with a bloke.”

I’ve heard similar stories about women’s cricket.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:13 am

There are at least 3 posts upthread showing that the worst outbreaks are in the highest vaccination nations. This tends to confirm what several eminent physicians have stated that, quite apart from all the other potential health risks, the spike proteins in the vaccines can directly cause Covid.

Interesting too that in the Nordic countries cases plummeted as soon as restrictions were lifted.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:15 am

I pressed “like”, but that’s worthy of a 😀 too Mater.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 6, 2021 8:17 am

Interesting fight between a woman of principle and an “independent” bot for the Andrew’s junta.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/ali-cupper-takes-aim-at-anne-websters-covid-vax-petition/100515452

I heard Cupper on ABC regional radio this morning. Full of her own bullshit and totally sure she is right on every matter. Her arguments were no more than a string of false dichotomies.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 8:17 am

callisays:
October 6, 2021 at 8:06 am
Duncanm, I wonder if what appear to be high pollen loads are a natural response to the fires two years ago.

makes intuitive sense. Probably correct.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 8:18 am

“This year’s media dial-a-quotes because vagina. (They get the gig only because they’re trying to help Labor win the next federal election and 90%+ of journalists vote Labor-Greens) Who will it be next year?”

Quite so Tom. The whole “Year of Tame and Higgins” along with the outrageous Porter lynching reeks of progressive politics…and it’s been one that the fool Scumbag Morrison fell for hook, line and sinker.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 6, 2021 8:19 am

it is females who are the perpetrators of the harassment, bullying and assault and it is females who are grooming and preying on young girls

If the incomparable None were here, that line would have kicked off a million-comment OT comprised almost entirely of voice-to-text guess-what-I-meant-to-say hieroglyphics.

Mater
October 6, 2021 8:20 am

It’s a virus, of course there will have to be booster shots. Every year. Just like the flu.
No conspiracy, viruses mutate.

This fear mongering is becoming irrational.

True, except for the little ‘mandate’ and passport detail.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 6, 2021 8:21 am

The new drug Molnupiravir takes its name from Thor’s hammer, Mjolnir. Good one.

This, on twitter thread above, from a Dean and Professor (MD, MPH) of Public Health at prestigious US Brown School of PH:

A group of independent experts saw the data and said “we’ve seen enough”

And stopped the trial because the drug was clearly working

That’s important verification

It also makes me far more optimistic about other similar therapies being studied for COVID will pan out

He’s right of course. When they stop a trial due to ethical reasons of withholding life-saving treatment from the control group then the prospects for the drug or intervention are very good.

We should now await the political fallout.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:21 am

It’s a virus, of course there will have to be booster shots. Every year. Just like the flu.
No conspiracy, viruses mutate.

Absolutely correct, as long as it’s not made mandatory. As soon as it is then, yes, it most certainly is a conspiracy.

I read a while ago that Fauci tried desperately to make the flu shot mandatory and failed. So lookee here what we got instead.

I wonder what will be in the next version? Pot luck anyone?

Gab
Gab
October 6, 2021 8:27 am

DO people take flu shots every couple of months or so?

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
October 6, 2021 8:31 am

Cassie – let’s not forget the set-up with that limey Australia Post lady either…

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 8:34 am

LOL!
Ted Nugent’s message to those who got the vax (30 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvxbc7PMRmY

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 8:35 am

Haha someone has done a fine meme on the terrible danger to vaxed people.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 8:36 am

JC

There’s been no gold standard testing to suggest it works.

There’s been no gold standard testing to suggest the vaccines work.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
October 6, 2021 8:41 am

sfw – if I had to guess, I reckon the 3 cross-benchers will agree to a further extension of SOE, but for a shorter period, maybe 3 months, because ‘not happy with the permanent pandemic legislation yet’ and ‘we’ve all sacrificed so much and we’re so close now’… (and because they are POS)

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 8:41 am

It also makes me far more optimistic about other similar therapies being studied for COVID will pan out

He’s right of course. When they stop a trial due to ethical reasons of withholding life-saving treatment from the control group then the prospects for the drug or intervention are very good.

We should now await the political fallout.

I wouldn’t be rushing out to try that Molnupiravir. From Karl Denninger:

Now under the law since there is now a “vaccine” that is approved in theory this drug has to go through the full set of trials and safety data. It won’t. And that is a potentially-serious problem that could damn millions of people in America alone over the next few years.

I’m not kidding folks; I looked at this molecule and understand its mechanism of action. Let me explain.

This drug is an analog (in other words, “looks the same to a living cell”) of cytosine. That’s one of four chemical “bases” that make up DNA. What Merck has done is “damage” it in a way that a cell still thinks its cytosine. Thus when it gets taken up in the synthesis of RNA it produces an error; the replication process doesn’t know how to deal with that and, after a few of those accumulate the process fails and thus the virus (in this case Covid-19) cannot reproduce in the cell.

That’s how it works, basically.

I was incorrect, by the way, in calling this a potential protease inhibitor, much like those used for HIV. Pfizer has one of those in test for Covid-19 as well. This is not — it is a nucleoside (the four primary chemical bases that make up DNA) analog that has been deliberately damaged so as to screw up the replication machinery.

There are a few of these used today in humans, with most targeting HIV in “combination therapy.”

and

The problem with developing drugs like this is that if they get into other cells, not virally-infected ones, they can also cause those errors in the DNA replication and thus terminate the cell’s propagation and cellular line. Depending on how quickly those cells replicate in the human body that might be a small and self-limiting problem (e.g. they replicate fast and only a few of them get “polluted”) or it might be a ticking time bomb that ultimately screws you in hard-to-predict and impossible to treat ways (e.g. slowly-replicating types of cells where a lot of them get polluted.)

It’s even worse if you’re a person of reproductive age as cellular replication happens very rapidly in a developing fetus post-differentiation from the original single cell of the zygote and thus any such impact has a high probability of over-expressing in that circumstance. This is exactly how thalidomide babies happened and its not necessarily limited to women either since half the genetic material comes from the man and unlike women who start with all of the eggs they will ever have men are continually producing new sperm cells which conceivably could carry that damage into the zygote.

Folks, it’s one thing to use drugs like this in a situation where you will inevitably die if you do nothing. Cancer is one of those situations and HIV is another. Covid-19, unfortunately, is a viral infection where one cannot predict before the drug becomes useless (replication is complete) whether you are about to be one of the people who will die if you don’t take the drug. Indeed at the point where you must decide even if you’re severely morbid only 5-9% of the time a bad thing will come from the infection; the rest of the time you will shake it off like virtually every single healthy person under 18 does. This is not speculation, it is fact borne out by the tens if not hundreds of thousands of spouses of equal morbidity and age who had their partner get infected and die while they never even sneezed, yet they were sleeping right next to that person while they were incubating that virus and very capable of transmitting it to the other person in the bed.

The very bad news is that in the case of this drug, specifically, there are already indications that it may have mutagenic properties. There’s allegedly a whistleblower who claims that data exists; this drug, like so many others, was originally looked at years ago for other conditions — in this case influenza.

Bons
October 6, 2021 8:45 am

From what my three nieces tell me, it doesn’t happen much in girls waterpolo. I find that very strange given the grabby grabby nature of the sport. Perhaps the three pick handle shoulders are a deterrant.
They also play hockey. Which is apparently rife. They say that you pick your team. Straight team versus dyke team – this is all very surreal.
Most telling is their comments on grooming. They claim that girls coming out of school sport are rarely dykes but face horrible pressure in the wrong team.
Hockey is a sport very popular with mums returning to the field after motherhood. The girls claim that the SSM debate became rather heated in their club with a few mums not in favour.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 8:45 am

I have some reservations about continuing my sub to The Australian, but keep going because of articles like Matildas star Lisa De Vanna details horrific abuse and bullying in football’s toxic culture

Where else would you read this:
It was a case of grooming when I first came on the scene because I was asked: ‘Do I prefer boys or do you prefer girls?’
“I said I liked boys and remember just looking down at the ground and all the laughter and being told: ‘We’ll change that soon enough.’
I didn’t want to even have a shower after the game.
“I’d wait until I got back to my room. There were a couple of us young ones that were all in the same boat.

The whole article contains enough damming detail about lesbian violence to sink the whole gay movement in its tracks. But that won’t happen.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:53 am

The girls claim that the SSM debate became rather heated in their club with a few mums not in favour.

Netball and indoor soccer ditto. A lot of “unfriends” around that time.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 8:55 am

Hey remember during the SSM debate, “they” said they’d get to the religious shield laws at some stage?
Still waiting.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 8:57 am

Even though they’re under attack constantly, the First & Second Amendments have been the greatest tools for good in modern history.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 8:58 am

KD

The organised and institutional faux-testosterone-fuelled monstering of fresh meat by predatory bull dykes, enabled and hidden by sporting bodies’ adherence to the tenet that their meal tickets can do no wrong

A cricket commentator a lot of years ago (Kerry ???) made a comment about women’s crikkit being dominated by “a lezbollah of finger twirlers”. Imagine the outrageous outrage today if such a comment were to be made on the teev!

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:59 am

That’s why they’re under attack.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 9:00 am

Glenn Greenwald gets it. Again.

Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/democrats-and-media-do-not-want-to

Not paywalled.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 9:00 am

Kerry O’Keefe, BJ.

Funny bugger.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 9:01 am

Even though they’re under attack constantly, the First & Second Amendments have been the greatest tools for good in modern history.

As one of Denninger’s regular commnets signs off with:
The First is the development environment
The second is the debugger

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 9:03 am

Indolent i read through to the paper about the Israeli hospital outbreak, the conclusion seemed to be waning vaccine effectiveness as the patients had all been vaccinated at least five months or earlier ?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 6, 2021 9:03 am

CFMEU outbreak grows to forty cases.

The protest not mentioned on the ABC news piece. Too long ago for the excuse to stick.
Rub n’ Tug contacts more likely.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 9:10 am

Still reading it, but while all this COVID shit’s been going on, the FDA has approved a CRISPR based treatment.
At the same time, CRISPR is the most exiting & dangerous thing now known to humankind.
Similar to nuclear power/weapons.

CRISPR is one of the reasons I’m so black pilled.

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 9:11 am

Calli, I didn’t expect you of all people to a be botanophobe.

Next up, Bruce comes out as suffering ornithophobia.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 9:16 am
rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 9:16 am

Flu mutates and the flu vaccine, which can end up with quite low effective rates needs to be taken at the right time at the beginning of the flu season as its effectiveness also wanes.
If coronavirus is becoming endemic i don’t see getting even bi annual boosters as a big deal, the issue as suggested will be mandatoriness and passports.
Im not convinced either are certainties if countries like Norway Denmark Sweden are any guide.
I guess these are matters that should be considered by voters when election time comes.

it’s a six month booster

areff
areff
October 6, 2021 9:16 am

The protest not mentioned on the ABC news piece.

3AW still going gangbusters with blaming “the protesters’ invasion” of the HQ.

That no protester entered the building doesn’t matter.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:17 am

This morning eyrie is a molecular biologist. Forget the plough repairs .He looked at the molecular structure and with his brain power alone deduced these new drugs are going to kill everyone whose taken them.

People , his forthrightness reminds me of Faulty who also claimed he was an engineer.

Tell you what I’ll do, Eyrie. I’ll send your morning death missive to a friend whose brother in law is actually a world renowned molecular researcher let’s see what he says. (The brother in law)

We’ll then craft a bet.

How about that ?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:18 am

callisays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:00 am
Kerry O’Keefe, BJ.

Funny bugger.

Had a laugh halfway between a cackle and a snigger. The only Kerry O’*** name I could think of was Red Kezza, and I knew it would not be him!

Bons
October 6, 2021 9:20 am

So if a women’s soccer player rolls into a police station and claims girl on girl sexual assault, how does woke Plod respond?
How does her club respond?

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 9:21 am

botanophobe

Heh. Constant exposure to certain plants can lead to allergies too – I’m mildly allergic to tropical grevilleas (Robyn Gordon and the like).

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:21 am

Bons

how does woke Plod respond?
How does her club respond?

With Simon and Garfunkel – The Sounds of Silence.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 6, 2021 9:21 am

They also play hockey. Which is apparently rife. They say that you pick your team. Straight team versus dyke team – this is all very surreal.

My barbers daughter was a talented hockey player and was invited to attend a national selection camp that was supposed to last 2 weeks. She came home after the first night, so she didnot even got on the field or undertake any selection activities, dropped hockey which her life revolved around and burnt all her gear. This was 20 years ago.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:25 am

Brucie

You know of the dude, but you obviously don’t know his brother in law.

The dude we/you know of has taken the vax and I’m sure that if his bro in law thought it was too scary he would have said not to take it.

You now have a peripheral plough repairer making up shit on the web about the dangers of the jab and implying most if not all humans who are immunised will die.

Honest question. You still think the delusional c..t is legit or is this Faulty is disguise?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 9:25 am

Farmer Gezsays:

October 6, 2021 at 9:03 am

CFMEU outbreak grows to forty cases.

The protest not mentioned on the ABC news piece. Too long ago for the excuse to stick.
Rub n’ Tug contacts more likely.

By the look of the footage of those inside the building it looked like a “Bears” gay club, so …

areff
areff
October 6, 2021 9:25 am

i don’t see getting even bi annual boosters as a big deal

Channel 7 reporter hospitalised after jab:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/denham-hitchcock-gives-health-update-edited-covid-vaccine-instagram-post-064053302.html

Daily Telegraph reporterette hospitalised after jab:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/nsw-journalist-hospitalised-after-covid-jab-backs-vaccine/news-story/e7dd26630ed72699318bd3df7c35e339

You’ll notice that both stories assure readers such side effects are “rare”, often and elsewhere dismissed as “one in a million”.

Well there couldn’t be more than, say, 8000 journos in Australia, and two that we know of have both got really sick post-jab.

Two out of 8000 is quite a bit different from one in a million.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 6, 2021 9:33 am

Psays:
October 5, 2021 at 10:39 pm

This is yet another example of the crap the law abiding citizen has to endure and which is destroying them every step of the way. To fix this stuff, the first thing Perrottet needs to do is get rid of Chant (and Hazzard).

(Dot, I didn’t think much of Hazzard remaining as Health Minister when you pointed it out yesterday.
But on the news (Sky) this morning there was a “pointed?” reference to only a small reshuffle and the fact that Kean badly wanted the deputy leader position but didn’t get it – interesting, I thought. Made me think that Perrottet will do more – perhaps first get rid of Chant as not only the “fall guy” but the actual architect of this sh1t and then remove Hazzard in a real reshuffle later on. I note also that report said that the Premier is going to alter the Gladys’ “Crisis Cabinet” to meet less often – that will help with the removal/sidelining of Chant).

What do we want?
Everything open for everyone!

When do we want it?
Now!

areff
areff
October 6, 2021 9:41 am

Dover: Niece, who’s an ER doctor recently reassigned to ICU at a large regional hospital, was laid up for four days after her second jab. Her advice: think twice before rolling up your sleeve. She’s now dreading the inevitable booster shot and the distinct possibility of another four days of headaches and fever.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:41 am

People

Listen to me. If you’re undecided about the vax., go see your doctor about it and have a frank discussion. Do not, whatever you do, be convinced by Eyrie that the drug is so dangerous it will kill you mid sentence. People who get on the web, with no specialist training proclaiming this or that are absolutist fruitcakes. Just go se the doc and speak to him/her about it, but don’t listen to this deranged egomaniac.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 9:44 am

JC, can you actually read anything? Is your attention span long enough?
I clearly said I was quoting Karl Denninger.
Here’s the link.
https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243781

RTWT

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 9:45 am

I suppose it all depends whether you think covid represents a greater risk to your life than a potential adverse reaction to the jab.
Nor am I convinced that two journalists being hospitalised means the risk of a severe reaction is one in 4000.

I am convinced that journalists are much more likely to feature in news stories than the rest of us.

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