Open Thread – Mon 4 Oct 2021


The Little Tower of Babel, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1563

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Diogenes
Diogenes
October 6, 2021 7:36 pm

Rorsach,
https://youtu.be/Bie32IZlMtY.

Given the nature of the outage, there was nothing to failover to. Servers , routers, schedulers were still working, except that because of the error in the BGP protocol configuration error they weren’t aware that anything else existed.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 7:37 pm

Panic merchant James Morrow is on Bolta.
I still remember him squealing in April May 2020 for an Australia wide shut down.

Well, he got his wish then.

Lately he’s been over at The Critic complaining about Australia’s lockdowns to a British – and worldwide -audience.

It’s great that he’s had a change of mind, but maybe a bit of humility would be in order?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:39 pm

Tonight on SBS world movies, Internal Affairs is on.
This was the move that was remade into The Departed that won Scorsese his first Oscar for best director.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 7:44 pm

Much obliged, my compliments Bern. 🙂

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 7:45 pm

Rorschach
I just can’t see anything sinister in people not constantly rolling up to be tested in the Danish situation.
Maybe the Danish government stopped paying people $450 to have three days off work.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 7:45 pm

Lysandersays:

October 6, 2021 at 6:55 pm

Anyone else hearing Adam Somyurek has gone to IBAC with shitload of dirt on Andrews?

Sort of.
I am hearing there is a lot of the spilling of the guts going on from several quarters, but everyone is pointing the fingers at Somyurek.
Partially a StandWivDan tactic to make it look like it is solely the revenge of the Scorned Somyurek.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 7:46 pm

Apparently, one third of Queensland’s police force is being sacked for refusing the jab!

The original is on Facebook and I don’t have access because I refuse to join so someone might like to confirm. One of the comments says it was posted by an MP.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 7:47 pm

Given the nature of the outage, there was nothing to failover to.

Hmmm. Just very convenient.

caveman
caveman
October 6, 2021 7:48 pm

Bolt = panic x 2 or maybe x 5 ……yeah, house is on fire.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 7:50 pm

May I draw to your attention the ad hominem.

You can, Doc, but you’re now making the fallacy of omission I’m afraid. I always explain the reasons why I think the person is making a stupid comment or is a moron. Saying a person is a diabolical idiot and then explaining why is not ad hom.

You, on the other hand don’t appear to be interested in arguments on their merits. Rather, you’re also committing the logical fallacy of appeal to authority. I’m a little surprised as I thought you were better than that. However, I’m no longer surprised on the downside.

srr
srr
October 6, 2021 7:52 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
October 6, 2021 at 7:18 pm

Still scratching my head about the knife, but.

I have three Swiss Army knives.
With them I can fix almost anything!
The one with the saw and pliers is especially useful*.
Maybe she should get a socket set for her next birthday.

*(I was given it by the company I worked for. A year later they banned pocket knives on site after someone cut themselves. It was wonderfully Dilbertesque.)

My kids got Swiss Army Knives for their 8th Birthdays and were allowed to take them to school for their Birthday Show & Tell.

They went to a very small country school. Other kids road their ponies to school & left them at our place nearby.

It took a while for City Leftism to hit us, but when it did, it made up for lost time.

Zipster
October 6, 2021 7:54 pm

Indeed, I’m going to identify as someone who’s fully vaxxed!

I’m going to identify as someone who is non-binary vaxxed.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 7:55 pm

Not sure if it’s been noted here, but Jacinda Ardern has abandoned her “zero covid” policy after public demonstrations in Auckland on the weekend.

Pogria
Pogria
October 6, 2021 7:58 pm

Delta A,

at thirteen, I’d have given my left arm for a Swiss Army Knife. Your Grand daughter sounds awesome.

Interesting coincidence, when my son was thirteen, he also dyed his hair a vivid shade of blue.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 7:58 pm

“I’m going to identify as someone who is non-binary vaxxed.”

Ahh…you beat me.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
October 6, 2021 8:02 pm

The Chinese Communist Party and the Australian Bolshevik Collective having to eat crow over the need for Australian coal exports:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/china-turns-to-stranded-australian-coal-to-combat-power-crun/100518440

The mystery is how this got past the censors in the ABC politburo.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 8:03 pm

srr

They went to a very small country school. Other kids road their ponies to school & left them at our place nearby.

Do you remember the Chips Rafferty film Smiley Gets a Gun? Imagine proposing to make a new version. The screeches would be heard beyond Mars.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:05 pm

If they could provide one mechanistic explanation of possible long term risks I’d be interested but all we have is speculation about some unknown process that will suddenly emerge at a later date.

One thing which has been raised several times lately is suppression of the natural immune system, specifically T cells, leaving people vulnerable to other illnesses such as cancer. This is one of the points raised by Dr. Ryan Cole. Then, of course, there’s the issue that the vaccine defends only against one particular strain rather than the whole corona virus family even though there’s only about 20% difference between them and would normally be recognised by your body. In fact, just yesterday, the Pfizer scientists unknowingly recorded by Project Veritas were saying that natural immunity is much better. And that’s not even raising the most immediate risk which is blood clots and heart problems.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 8:05 pm
Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 6, 2021 8:07 pm

“JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 7:50 pm
May I draw to your attention the ad hominem.

You can, Doc, but you’re now making the fallacy of omission I’m afraid. I always explain the reasons why I think the person is making a stupid comment or is a moron. Saying a person is a diabolical idiot and then explaining why is not ad hom.”
****
I don’t think the word “explaining” means what you think it does. Key bits below bolded.
*******

“JCsays:
October 4, 2021 at 10:41 pm
The baker didn’t refuse to bake a cake. The baker refused to decorate a cake with a pro-gay “marriage” message.

At best a trivial argument.
—–
Timothy Neilsonsays:
October 4, 2021 at 10:48 pm

Not at all. The baker wasn’t refusing to deal with the customer. The business was just saying “we don’t supply that product, but you’re welcome to buy anything we do supply”. If there were evidence the baker had supplied pro-gay “marriage” cakes to other people, then they would be discriminating against the customers in question by refusing them. But there wasn’t.
It’s the same as trying to hire a concert pianist and demanding he play Barry Manilow songs. He’s entitled to say “I don’t do that”, even though he could.
———-
JCsays:
October 4, 2021 at 11:02 pm
Neilson

Of course it’s a trivial argument. In fact it’s stupid.

Stix

The cake baking vs vaccine passport thing is so dumb.

Last week you suggested the argument didn’t work because it only worked two decades ago when you said corporate libertarianism was going strong. Now, you just calling it dumb. So far no real argument because you can’t make one.

1. You defend the right of the cake maker to refuse service.
2. You’d oppose the same cake maker his right from refusing employment to someone.. (even a gay person)?

This is some cognitive dissonance going here and Neilson’s an idiot.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:14 pm

This is some cognitive dissonance going here and Neilson’s an idiot.

Neilson, I don’t really know what more is there to say. I made the comment about the baker vs the employer and you came back with an inane comment that the argument with the baker wasn’t about baking the cake itself, but the icing on the cake re decorations.

Neilson, splitting this hair is so diabolically stupid there is no logical way to return a volley. Often, stupid shit is just stupid shit and there’s nothing else that can be said.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 8:17 pm

OK.
Here’s a dilemma.
I just got a summons for jury service.
What are the odds?
Had a five-week jury stint early-mid last year and my name comes out again.
For reasons I won’t go into here it was a shit of a time and the judge suggested at the end that jurors should be given a permanent exemption from jury service in future.
Trouble is, I didn’t get a letter to that effect and the reporting of the case was suppressed and I think still is.
Can I tell them that I was a juror in R v Smith, Jones and Others before Judge Bloggs and I’ve got a free kick?
Then it occurs to me.
What if I say I am one of the Great Unwashed?

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 6, 2021 8:19 pm

areffsays:
October 6, 2021 at 11:20 am
Possibly, BBS, but it strikes me as odd that only part of the prescribed course is available initially

areff, maybe that’s because of the gap between the first and second courses of almost two weeks (6/7 and then 20/21 Oct).

By making the patient visit his doctor, a good check of how he’s going would happen, thereby ensuring that everything was fully reviewed?

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 8:22 pm

“feelthebernsays:
October 6, 2021 at 7:29 pm
Panic merchant James Morrow is on Bolta.
I still remember him squealing in April May 2020 for an Australia wide shut down.”

You mean James Campbell?

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 6, 2021 8:23 pm

Page doesn’t exist, DB.

Winston, I took a photo of it.

cohenite
October 6, 2021 8:26 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 6:12 pm
Sancho

Do you mind awfully if I refer to you as Sanchez?Sanchez seems to roll on the keyboard easier. It’s how I replaced Cohenite with Cronkite. Cronkite was so much easier finagling on the keyboard.

Don’t let him; it’s a slippery slope; a new nick-name today, tomorrow come around and scratch that itch he can’t reach.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 8:26 pm

I just got a summons for jury service.

Tell ’em you aren’t vaxxed.
You’ll be out of there quicker than a rat up a howitzer barrel.
If you are vaxxed, arrive without a mask whilst wearing a MAGA hat.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:26 pm

What if I say I am one of the Great Unwashed?

Chuckle.

The venue that I’m denied entry into is the local library complex.

I would like a pro-rata reduction in my Council rates. Ta.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:27 pm

It actually is trivial in the way Neilson presented the argument. “The cake” in both instances is the whole kit and caboodle that includes the icing and the decorations.

“Baking a cake” means the whole thing in general parlance. No one mentally splits the cake into the baking and the decorating parts except for the people doing the work. No?

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 8:28 pm

I just got a summons for jury service.

Wear a T-shirt that says ” JURY NULLIFICATION” to the selection.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 6, 2021 8:30 pm

Starting with today’s point, let’s re-roll the tape:
“JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 7:50 pm
I always explain the reasons why I think the person is making a stupid comment or is a moron. ”
Reviewing the 4 October emails, it’s clear that JC’s been caught out in a naughty little fib. Naughty boy! Spanky bot bot and the naughty corner for you!

Now, if JC wants to proffer an explanation today about his performance on the 4th, that’s fine, but he could at least try to understand what he’s deprecating.
The argument wasn’t about “decoration”, it was about the content of the message that the lesbians were demanding that the baker put on the cake. The baker asserted (and no-one seems to doubt the truth of the assertion) that he had never made cakes with pro-gay “marriage” messages on them, had never offered to do so, and had no intention of ever doing so in the future. That is, he was being asked to do something which had never been and was never going to be part of the business which he carried on.
There’s nothing wrong with arguing that a business should be allowed to turn down customers whether they’re asking for something outside the scope of the business or for something well within its normal course. But the two situations aren’t self-evidently the same. It’s perfectly possible to argue that a business shouldn’t “discriminate” in supplying it’s ordinary stock in trade while agreeing that a business shouldn’t be forced to do something outside its scope.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:30 pm

I wanna watch Vigil and I’m here having to argue with cronkite.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:35 pm

Their studies are worth shit to the west because they’re unreliable .

Studies are irrelevant if the product works in practice. This is what really gets my goat. People keep asking for more and more randomised, double bind, whatever studies when all they have to do is see the actual outcome of daily use among millions of people.

Obviously, saving lives is not enough evidence for some, especially if they don’t want to see it.

P
P
October 6, 2021 8:36 pm

Page doesn’t exist, DB.

Winston, I took a photo of it.

Original still there.

Maybe the link posted by DB was a retweet, since removed.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 8:37 pm

Encouraging conversation today.
Gas HWS shit itself, so I called the plumber.
We got talking about Kung Flu and Hunchback and it became apparent that we both hate the bat-eared mong with a passion.
He says he’s got four kids but he doesn’t say much about “The Thing” at home because the kids have got enough to deal with. (Tick)
He then tells me his eldest girl (14) is watching the TV the other night, jotting stuff down and tapping on the phone.
“What are you doing?” he asks.
“Well Dad”, she says. “I am working out the number of people in hospital out of the number of people who have Covid. It’s only 2.5%”. (BIG TICK).

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:37 pm

The argument wasn’t about “decoration”, it was about the content of the message that the lesbians were demanding that the baker put on the cake. The baker asserted (and no-one seems to doubt the truth of the assertion) that he had never made cakes with pro-gay “marriage” messages on them, had never offered to do so, and had no intention of ever doing so in the future. That is, he was being asked to do something which had never been and was never going to be part of the business which he carried on.
There’s nothing wrong with arguing that a business should be allowed to turn down customers whether they’re asking for something outside the scope of the business or for something well within its normal course. But the two situations aren’t self-evidently the same. It’s perfectly possible to argue that a business shouldn’t “discriminate” in supplying it’s ordinary stock in trade while agreeing that a business shouldn’t be forced to do something outside its scope.

Neilson, as much as I totally support the baker’s right to choose not to make the cake, the excuse he pulled out of a hat is kind of stupid to. Let me explain why. Every cake, in terms of what goes on top etc is potentially unique. At least lots are very much so. The idea that he’s never done it before is laughable. All he had to do would be to have stuck small figurines of a couple of fat slobs on top and presto the lesbian cake is done. Don’t over-egg this cake.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:38 pm

too.

cohenite
October 6, 2021 8:38 pm

Just accept you’re a cad head prefect, your word is shit and your hobbies are stoushing with some poor sap and shorting suburban RSLs.

twostix
twostix
October 6, 2021 8:39 pm

Calli I didn’t ‘judge’ your family – though, naturally, lining 12 year olds up for the covid19 vaccine is pretty goddamned awful, which is why you told everyone here about it.

But 12 year olds aren’t naturally lining up to get vaccinations because it’s so cool man, their parents and teachers are ordering them to get it then using that bullshit as cover, which I suspect you already know.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 8:41 pm

Wear a T-shirt that says ” JURY NULLIFICATION” to the selection.

Bzzzt.
They’ve seen it all.
Got the generic lecture last time about political/”in contempt” slogans on clothing, badges and bags.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 8:44 pm

your hobbies are stoushing with some poor sap

What’s funny is that it’s JC who winds up giving himself the uppercut.

Face it, he just isn’t that bright or knowledgeable about much. Maths and logic aren’t his strong points.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:48 pm

That is the baker’s point. He can refuse to make it because the decorating involves a phrase that he thinks is unconscionable.

The buyer isn’t buying a cake and then the decorations. He’s buying the whole thing together The baker obviously knows this and his argument is long winded and specious. All that needs to be said is, I’m not doing this shit as the two dykes weren’t buying just a cake, they were buying the topping as well.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 8:50 pm

There’s no point in arguing with you Twostix.

Make sure your own family are looked after.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
October 6, 2021 8:51 pm

A FREEDOM/CHOICE march in Traralgon tonight. A couple hundred people by the looks with Plod in attendance. Nice old bus with “Fuck the Jab” on the back. I wonder if any MSM outlet will report it.

cohenite
October 6, 2021 8:51 pm

In Australia no cake-maker or any other business can refuse serving any of the LGBTIQAFMD+ denizens unless they are affiliated with or owned by a recognised church.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 6, 2021 8:51 pm

Wrong thread youse glutinous clamdiver gateaux gluttons. Dover you should know better, didn’t you set it up to take the heat out of the kitchen so to speak?
There’s also another thread for hedgehog slice fanciers.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:53 pm

That is what he did say. He said no to the cake.

Yes and?

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 8:54 pm

Arky:

Especially those ones who skitter away from me in public with a “who farted” school girl bitch expression on their stupid face.

Never had that happen to me and I’ve not worn a mask.
But we must ask the obvious question, Arky:
“Did you fart? With confidence?”
No further details required.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 8:55 pm

Indolentsays:
October 6, 2021 at 8:05 pm
If they could provide one mechanistic explanation of possible long term risks I’d be interested but all we have is speculation about some unknown process that will suddenly emerge at a later date.

One thing which has been raised several times lately is suppression of the natural immune system, specifically T cells, leaving people vulnerable to other illnesses such as cancer. This is one of the points raised by Dr. Ryan Cole. Then, of course, there’s the issue that the vaccine defends only against one particular strain rather than the whole corona virus family even though there’s only about 20% difference between them and would normally be recognised by your body. In fact, just yesterday, the Pfizer scientists unknowingly recorded by Project Veritas were saying that natural immunity is much better. And that’s not even raising the most immediate risk which is blood clots and heart problems.

That is not a mechanistic explanation. How are T cells suppressed? Apoptosis, Anergy, exhaustion, stem cell elimination, lymph node destruction? T Cells are lousy at attacking cancers. For 50 years they have been experimenting and trialing immune stimulation to attack solid tumours and the response is poor. Natural killer cells are the main cells for killing cancer cells and they don’t do a crash hot job. Many nascent tumours simply die or never progress, one reason being the lack of vasculature to supply nutrients so when we die we can have a number of pinpoint tumours in our body which may have been there for decades. Vaccines stimulate the immune system. Vaccines will induce undifferentiated cells to become specialised for a specific pathogen.

A mechanistic explanation is not just some bland statement about what might happen. It is a detailed description of the specific steps involved in creating the problem. So please point me to where the doctor explains that process.

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 8:56 pm

which makes harder to enter nose and throats with mask wearing..

JC, you can wear all the masks you want. 100 of them if you like. Just don’t try to force them on me. That is the real issue. Give people information and let THEM decide.

rickw
rickw
October 6, 2021 8:56 pm

Not sure if it’s been noted here, but Jacinda Ardern has abandoned her “zero covid” policy after public demonstrations in Auckland on the weekend.

That’s what protesting with dental pliers gets you!

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 8:56 pm

In Australia no cake-maker or any other business can refuse serving any of the LGBTIQAFMD+ denizens unless they are affiliated with or owned by a recognised church.

They can, they just need to be a little circumspect about it. First off, if a couple of gay dudes role up or a couple of obese dykes, you kind of know which way the wind is blowing. Talk to them for a while and ensure your hunch is right, then tell them you need to look at your baking schedule and report back you are overbooked that day and can’t do it.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 8:58 pm

Rawshark:

I suspect that this is another lobbyist driven initiative. Be interesting to see which of the disintermediators / disruptors start up lenders are exempt. And who has bought shares in them at a penny each…? They stand to make fortunes as new mortgages and mortgage refinances will flow the Tier 1 banks to these.

…and another penthouse gets built on the Australian Economy, built largely on sand, coal and iron ore.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 8:59 pm

Why has Sky News given Pussy Pyne a gig?

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 9:00 pm

feelthebernsays:
October 6, 2021 at 7:39 pm
Tonight on SBS world movies, Internal Affairs is on.
This was the move that was remade into The Departed that won Scorsese his first Oscar for best director.

Asians produce good crime movies. It is InFernal Affairs. Seen it, worth a look if you haven’t.

rickw
rickw
October 6, 2021 9:01 pm

which makes harder to enter nose and throats with mask wearing..

Having been around pandemic response planning for more than a decade. Most plans only mention mask use for suspected cases and the Victorian Pandemic Plan of 2019 recommended against their use in the general population due to lack of effectiveness and to potential for them to cause respiratory illness.

twostix
twostix
October 6, 2021 9:01 pm

You’re my favourite boomer commenter here Calli, I don’t know why you think I’d have a go at you.

But what have I lost? You joking mate?

Boomers!

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 6, 2021 9:02 pm

Wally Dalísays:
October 6, 2021 at 8:51 pm
Wrong thread youse glutinous clamdiver gateaux gluttons. Dover you should know better, didn’t you set it up to take the heat out of the kitchen so to speak?
There’s also another thread for hedgehog slice fanciers.
****
Fair comment. No more from me here on that topic.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:02 pm

Indolent

You keep bumbling around failing to understand what is said. I don’t give a shit if you’re wearing a mask, hoodie or even a hazmat suit or none of these. Watch carefully. I don’t fucking care.

Cousin It (Brucie) said science doesn’t support mask wearing. Science cannot tell you if that’s correct or not. On balance, risk management suggests it may be a good idea to wear a mask at times. At times only… got that.

mc
mc
October 6, 2021 9:03 pm

Don’t often post comments but the last couple of days has seen some interesting personalities on display that has had me thinking about levels of disagreeableness.

I could not think of a nice term for the level above A****hole. I guess in gutter terms it would be a c**t but that word is so distasteful that it is hard to label people like that.

Arky on a bad day could possibly be classed as an a****hole and JC the last couple of days has seemed like a right c**t. Don’t get me wrong, society needs a certain amount of c**ts to get some things done.
So how do you differentiate between and a****hole and a c**t? My guess is that they are both disagreeable but you would willingly associate with one but not the other. You would say of someone, “he might be an a****hole but he is my a****hole” where as you would never hear someone say, “he may be a c**t but he is my c**t”

Having said that, I am sure the gentlemen in my example are lovely people in person and their online personas are just put on for our benefit and entertainment.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:04 pm

Dover, I said what I needed to say. It was Neilson who brought it up. No me.

cohenite
October 6, 2021 9:05 pm

Let me rephrase it:

In Australia no cake-maker or any other business can legally refuse serving any of the LGBTIQAFMD+ denizens unless they are affiliated with or owned by a recognised church.

I’m not talking about the fucking alphabet people and the cake-maker going out the back for a chat and slob and slobber.

P
P
October 6, 2021 9:05 pm

My 14yr old grandson was medically advised to have the Pfizer vaccination now as he will most probably have open heart surgery in Jan 22. He will have the Ross Procedure for the congenital Aortic valve fault.
He had his first vax a week ago. I am of course still in a worried state.
I wish it didn’t have to be so.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 9:06 pm

Ooops!

Climate envoy John Kerry made an extraordinary admission to French TV on Monday that President Biden ‘literally had not been aware’ of the fallout of the AUKUS submarine deal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10060485/Blinken-says-chance-Paris-discuss-rebuilding-French-trust.html

I wonder if Biden was/is aware that the new submarine deal would piss China off! I mean the Frog diesels would be lucky to get past Bali… whereas the Yankee nukes could sail right up to the three gorges dam!

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:07 pm

JC

report back you are overbooked that day and can’t do it.

But for a premium price (triple time plus additional electricity costs, plus an assistant at the same rates) you will be able to do it on the weekend.

Rip the buggers (deliberate) off. Squeeze them until the pips squeak.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 9:08 pm

Calli:

That’s another friendship group gone for me. The venue will only allow the double vaxxed.

It must be a very sad time for you, Calli.
I wish I could make it better but I can’t.
God won’t interfere with family but he does provide moral strength to persevere.
Hang in there.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:09 pm

But for a premium price (triple time plus additional electricity costs, plus an assistant at the same rates) you will be able to do it on the weekend.

Rip the buggers (deliberate) off. Squeeze them until the pips squeak.

Gouging. Great idea.

Megan
Megan
October 6, 2021 9:16 pm

Got a great laugh today when I posted this question to a normally logical and thoughtful friend. After I picked my jaw up from the floor.
We were discussing the Jab or No Job mandate and touched on the staff resigning from Dying Kangaroo Airlines, police forces, doctors, miners…and every other affected industry on an on into infinity. So, I asked, where are these organisations going to get replacement staff from once they lose between 10 and 20% of their workforce?
The answer is from the ranks of the unemployed apparently!

*insert dropped jaw clunk here followed by uncontrolled hysteria*

Given we have roughly 4.6% unemployment right now (that’s the official number, clearly does not include the vast numbers of those forbidden to work) and a decent slab of that 4.6% are probably unemployable, that still leaves a significant shortfall. Don’t start me on how many of the 4.6% are fully trained pilots, cabin crew, nurses, etc. etc.
What the hell has happened to our ability to think? It cannot all have been suppressed by panic, surely?

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 9:17 pm

and JC the last couple of days has seemed like a right c**t

JC’s online persona is a barometer to his fortunes on the markets. When he picks stoushes we all know he’s had a bad day.

But like Arky he is not afraid of pointing out reality when necessary. And this is critical as it initiates the adversarial test by combat … typically to the death .. of the truth of the matter at hand.

Which makes this forum unique.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 9:18 pm

But for a premium price (triple time plus additional electricity costs, plus an assistant at the same rates) you will be able to do it on the weekend.

It was a wedding cake, right?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:19 pm

And perhaps a bit too much salt and not enough sugar in the mix?

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 9:21 pm

And perhaps a bit too much salt and not enough sugar in the mix?

Why? No need to get petty when your are overcharging.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 9:25 pm

Thanks for the links, DB. They work.
I signed all 4, but I’m curious – what have you got against armadillos?

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 9:26 pm

Hi OCO.

Good luck with your grandson, P.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 6, 2021 9:27 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:04 pm
Dover, I said what I needed to say. It was Neilson who brought it up. No me.
******
Not really. I just pointed out an inaccuracy in your 7.50pm comment which I illustrated with a few extracts from 4 October. I didn’t propose re-litigating the actual issue of 4 October. You decided to do that.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 9:27 pm

… discussing the Jab or No Job mandate and touched on the staff resigning from Dying Kangaroo Airlines, police forces, doctors, miners…and every other affected industry on an on into infinity

Yah…

Be also interesting to consider how those unable to work will be treated by Social Security…. Willing but unable to find work in chosen field? Unemployable? Permanently Disabled?

(This is of course assuming that the unvaxxed will be able to claim unemployment benefits .:: the government will be broker than broke in record time!)

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:27 pm

Dot

The actual request was petty, made only to cause trouble for the baker. Why should the response not be petty?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:27 pm

JC’s online persona is a barometer to his fortunes on the markets. When he picks stoushes we all know he’s had a bad day.

Haha.. It’s actually the reverse as irrational as that sounds. I had an excellent night in stocks last night with one of the large banks I hold going up a decent load and I was in a few stoushes. Mostly with Steve Jobs from Brisbane and his cousin.

Rorschach, truly I don’t really care if people are vaxxed or not. As, I’ve said, I strongly support people’s decision not to vax as it’s very personal. I abhor the attempts by the state to compel people through threats to vax.

Sadly, though I don’t see the same level of respect offered by the non-vaxxed to those that are. Frankly, I’ve just had enough of that peripheral c..t (faulty 2) peddling unscientific innumerate crap. He’s a worthless diabolical piece of shit who needs a regular change of his adult diapers. Other than that , all is good.

P
P
October 6, 2021 9:28 pm

Thanks Muddy.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 9:29 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:04 pm
Dover, I said what I needed to say. It was Neilson who brought it up. No me.
******
Not really. I just pointed out an inaccuracy in your 7.50pm comment which I illustrated with a few extracts from 4 October. I didn’t propose re-litigating the actual issue of 4 October. You decided to do that.

You’re right Neilson, if only I allowed you the last say. How awful of me.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 9:29 pm

Psays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:05 pm”

Stay strong P.

sfw
sfw
October 6, 2021 9:31 pm

The only Sanchez I’ve heard of is the ‘Dirty Sanchez’, not really my sort of thing but maybe others do.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 6, 2021 9:31 pm

OK.
Here’s a dilemma.
I just got a summons for jury service.
What are the odds?

Beg, borrow or steal a unit tie, or blazer from somewhere. Defending counsel don’t like ex – servicemen on juries – they tend to believe the accused must be guilty, or he wouldn’t have been charged in the first place.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 6, 2021 9:32 pm

The Victorian President of the AMA says that things “are as bad as the Anzacs at Gallipoli” for the 101st TikTok squads in our hospitals.

The Victorian President of the AMA can go fuck himself. This exact thing infuriated me 18 months ago and it hasn’t changed.

Empty ED wards and plenty of time for choreography with a view to TikTokking, and/or scribbling on bits of cardboard so they can hold them up to the camera and then drop then in sequence whilst looking profound and heroic, and not a bit like they’re covered in flies and half their usual weight and about to get their heads blown off.

Nothing like it.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 6, 2021 9:32 pm

What the hell has happened to our ability to think? It cannot all have been suppressed by panic, surely?

It’s never been a popular activity. It’s so rare it must be accounted a perversion. Rarer than a desire to push a chocolate éclair up a polar bear’s bum, but not quite so rare as wanting to eat it afterwards.

srr
srr
October 6, 2021 9:34 pm

“Boambee John says:
October 6, 2021 at 8:03 pm
[…]
Do you remember the Chips Rafferty film Smiley Gets a Gun? Imagine proposing to make a new version. The screeches would be heard beyond Mars.”

Yes, they wouldn’t cope at all.
That’s so far in their rear view of, ‘freedoms we saved the world from’, that if they had to face it fresh they’d have a breakdown.

I remember shooting as a kid, because that’s what you did.
The big cousins would be in charge of looking after the little cousins and as they loved shooting, we all had to learn to shoot to.

Funny, visiting a farmer mate when the daughter was a tiny young teen, he had a spare shotgun cartridge after some farm shooting, asked if she’d like to try.
I should have joined her up to a gun club. First shot of a shotgun, target way across the paddock, she only just missed, handled the kick like an old farmer.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 9:36 pm

Winston Smithsays:
October 6, 2021 at 5:57 pm
Dover Beach:

Is Liverpool Hospital prescribing Ivermectin to COVID patients? If it’s fake, it’s a good one.

Page doesn’t exist, DB.
It’s Gooorrne!

here ’tis
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChaChaC87311797/status/1445603691067633674/photo/1

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 9:36 pm

Why should the response not be petty?

The response should have been pissy. OK – here is your cake… as a bonus, it has been well micturated on a custom stool overnight! Enjoy!

132andBush
132andBush
October 6, 2021 9:37 pm

It’s never been a popular activity. It’s so rare it must be accounted a perversion. Rarer than a desire to push a chocolate éclair up a polar bear’s bum, but not quite so rare as wanting to eat it afterwards.

And even then the majority of people have outsourced it to the MSM.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 9:38 pm

Calli:

Has anyone else been denied entry into a venue yet?

Feelthebern:

Yes, but that was pants related (or lack thereof).

You too, FTB?

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 9:38 pm

This is of course assuming that the unvaxxed will be able to claim unemployment benefits

If your employer does not dismiss you, but places you on permanent leave without pay …

Indolent
Indolent
October 6, 2021 9:38 pm

A mechanistic explanation is not just some bland statement about what might happen. It is a detailed description of the specific steps involved in creating the problem. So please point me to where the doctor explains that process.

Since I have no medical background bland statements are all I can manage. However, this is the presentation by Dr. Ryan Cole I referenced. It was originally up on YouTube but, unsurprising, was removed for challenging the narrative.

Ellen of Tasmania
Ellen of Tasmania
October 6, 2021 9:39 pm

Topher is wanting to make a documentary about Melbourne.

“Battleground Melbourne”
“The Fall of the World’s Most Livable City, through the eyes of those who tried to save it.”

He’s looking for financial support if anyone here is feeling rich enough (and maybe angry enough) to help:

https://givesendgo.com/battlegroundmelbourne

twostix
twostix
October 6, 2021 9:39 pm

Oh no.

Aussie Cossack has a run with a mask karen in Bunnings.

It’s bad man.

Prepare to cringe.

Zipster
October 6, 2021 9:44 pm

mpty ED wards and plenty of time for choreography with a view to TikTokking

Is it just me, or is tiktok symptomatic of everything wrong with modern society?

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 9:44 pm

btw – pretty sure that bloke has a case of worms.

Dosage for Ivermectin https://www.drugs.com/dosage/stromectol.html
200ug/kg (body weight). So a 100kg bloke would be 20mg. ie: 7x3mg tablets.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 9:46 pm

twostixsays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:39 pm
Oh no.

Aussie Cossack has a run with a mask karen in Bunnings.

It’s bad man.

Prepare to cringe.

the consolation is a view of the Cossack’s very attractive wife.

cohenite
October 6, 2021 9:48 pm

Aussie Cossack has a run with a mask karen in Bunnings.

It’s bad man.

Prepare to cringe.

Nothing to cringe about here: we have a fucking leftie weirdo, an oxymoron, and somehow Cossack gets done over by the wallopers Outrageous.

Ellen of Tasmania
Ellen of Tasmania
October 6, 2021 9:48 pm

Calli – for what it’s worth – my husband & I are praying for you every day, and for others we know in like situations.

P
P
October 6, 2021 9:49 pm

Thanks Cassie.

My 14yr old grandson is sports mad. He has not been able to compete in so many sports because of his condition, but whatever he has touched, from T-ball at 5yrs he had to give to up on medical advice, he went on to achieve much in his years in Archery and then Fencing. A year or so ago he was given the OK by his doctor to play goalkeeper in the soccer team most of his friends at school played. He excelled as he always done in any sport he played. In this regard he takes after his mum, my daughter in law.

Zipster
October 6, 2021 9:50 pm

Morphological cell profiling of SARS-CoV-2 infection identifies drug repurposing candidates for COVID-19
The most broadly efficacious hit identified was lactoferrin, a protein found in colostrum and airway epithelium

Crossie
Crossie
October 6, 2021 9:54 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
October 6, 2021 at 8:59 pm
Why has Sky News given Pussy Pyne a gig?

I can’t imagine who they think is going to watch him.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 9:55 pm

Muddy

If your employer does not dismiss you, but places you on permanent leave without pay …

Constructive dismissal?

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 9:56 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 12:25 am
Tell u what. I will call Rite Aid in Southern California tomorrow our time and post what they say to my request for filling an iver prescription.
Also post the address and phone number.

What happened? Can someone provide a link?

rickw
rickw
October 6, 2021 9:56 pm

If your employer does not dismiss you, but places you on permanent leave without pay …

That’s exactly the strategy. I expect this will come down to a battle of resources. How long can companies survive with a chunk of the workforce missing V how long can that workforce survive without pay.

The potential circuit breakers are a case that finds in favour of the numerous rights declarations that protect against forced medical procedures and / or the end of the state of disaster on December 18 assuming that the fucking mongs in parliament don’t sign off on another 6 months.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 6, 2021 9:59 pm

Bruce, I have to tell you this. We have found where mum Currawong has made her new nest and it is very close by to her old one, but not in the Jacaranda, where she found she had bad sun exposure (I had to use a pump water spray on the chicks sometimes to stop them burning up), but in the thick of the Pttosporum that grows next to it and into it. We can hear the new chicks now complaining for food, and the perky and very attentive dad (a new and young one, maybe she ditched the old one or he was taken by a crow), is being very demanding about me giving over the food for his woman and those hungry kiddies. He’s so desperate I suspect he’d take the mince from my hand but I’m not game enough to try in case he nips with that raptor’s beak.

To think too that only yesterday Hairy was going to get his long-handled cutting tool and reach outside the windows of the now-enclosed terrace room and fiercely hack away at the Pttosporum because the wind was blowing a sticky residue that it currently drips and depositing it all over our new frameless glass on the balconies, especially disfiguring the chrome strip along the top. Can’t do that now, I say with a restraining hand. No disturbance at all allowed on my lovely bird’s choice of residential location.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2021 10:00 pm

So the next FPO search, I’m assuming the Cossack will have a locked safe and a couple of strongboxes with chains around them.

That should waste another 30min or so of the coppers’ time.

local oaf
October 6, 2021 10:05 pm

Indolent says:
October 6, 2021 at 7:46 pm

Apparently, one third of Queensland’s police force is being sacked for refusing the jab!

The original is on Facebook and I don’t have access because I refuse to join so someone might like to confirm. One of the comments says it was posted by an MP.

Yes, this is posted at facebook by a Stephen Andrew MP for Mirani

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 10:07 pm

usps suspends parcel delivery to Australia

no supply chain issues here … nup. Not one.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 6, 2021 10:07 pm

“…assuming that the fucking mongs in parliament don’t sign off on another 6 months.”
****
They gave Maximum Leader 9 months last time. Maximum Leader will be calculating what’s the best way to finesse the “emergency” up to 24 November 2022 so he can control the whole state by emergency decree right through to the “election”. Maybe ask for a year? Nine months again then three? Two lots of six months? Whatever he asks for, they’re stupid enough to give it to him.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 10:13 pm

So the next FPO search, I’m assuming the Cossack will have a locked safe and a couple of strongboxes with chains around them.

Sorry c*ntstable – the keys for the locks are with my wife. And all the stress of this search has made me forget the safe code …but got that written down in my other safe at my mothers place. Shall we go visit them? Will you follow me Or should I follow you. Can you use sirens please?

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 10:19 pm

How long can companies survive with a chunk of the workforce missing V how long can that workforce survive without pay.

The govt has to think this through carefully. There will be gazillions of unfair or constructive dismissal claims that it (the govt) will need to be represented in. And it will prob lose and have to pay both the businesses and claimants oats and penalties.

And I reckon it’ll have to pay those sacked the dole. So the businesses are behind the eightball if it comes to a waiting game.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 10:21 pm

Baba

You reminded me. I called the 24 hour CVS store just now , in NYC just now located at Amsterdam ave and 86th street on the Westside.

Number is here

+1 (212) 712-2821
New York, NY, United States

Difficult to get through because of the bullshit recording questions you have to go wade past. Finally got through to the pharmacy . I asked them I had a prescription for Iver and wanted to check it was in stock.

Dude didn’t even flinch and told me to go in and have it filled as it was in stock. No biggie.

This is NYC . bluer than blue.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 6, 2021 10:23 pm

Cohenite- really? Glory Road?
I’m chipping away into Heinlein, NEL and Penguin covers- I’d steered away from that one because it basically looked like a Piers Anthony. I pride myself on maving mismatched series- my Dune 5-book trilogy drives the OCD mad.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:24 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:27 pm
Dot

The actual request was petty, made only to cause trouble for the baker. Why should the response not be petty?

Charging four times as much is enough. Selling people inedible crud at that point is basically stealing. They were, ostensibly, Christian bakers.

So they don’t really want the work because they feel they would be sinful. They’re not going to feel good about themselves if they deceive a customer.

All they can really do is say no or demand upfront payment. They can bake them a cake and give them their money back if they’re not satisfied.

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 10:25 pm

Boambee John says:
Constructive dismissal?

Thanks, B.J. I vaguely recall someone mentioning that last week or the week before, so it’s good to receive a reminder. I’ll have to do some research.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:31 pm

Am I approved yet or what.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 10:31 pm

I’d steered away from that one

I like just about all of Heinlein. I grew up on his works and he’s a significant part of the reason why I comment on libertarian/free market leaning sites. Heroes work, and am willing to take on the dragons. Got any to kill?

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:32 pm

Bravo, I am.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:34 pm

I have a decent stash of Ivy League, zinc and quercetin. Should see me and the missus through if colon iris hits out west.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:34 pm

We are opposed to the Biosecurity Amendment (Enhanced Risk Management) Bill 2021, specifically in relation to broadening the scope of the current Biosecurity Act 2015 to include biosecurity enforcement orders upon “classes of individuals”, specifically requiring them to wear specified clothing or equipment (108M), to be relocated and detained (108L), for an indefinite time (108 (2) ) and to provide body samples to the World Health Organization (108P). While we understand that these changes are meant to be imposed upon groups arriving into the country by plane or vessels, it does not expressly exclude the possibility of it also being applied to other “classes” of people such as the unvaccinated, or to certain ethnic, religious or politicosocial groups residing within Australia.

————————————————————————

We do not live in a sane, free country.

I was free the day I was born.

Now, idiots talk about freedom day.

Freedom is not given by governments. Not in the West since 1215.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:36 pm

Ivy League
Colon Iris

Heavy duty bowdlerising by the Android or Apple bots.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:37 pm

Thanks, Dover. And thank you for bringing about what seems to be a live cat bounce.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:38 pm

Heavy duty bowdlerising by the Android or Apple bots.

Hehe they’re my own work. Google-certified.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:40 pm

City Lawyers knocking it out of the dealership.

City Lawyers
@LawyersCity
·
10h
that the right of a citizen to carry on his or her business in his or her own way within the law is plainly recognised. The right is also reflected in international law. Article 6 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights”

City Lawyers
@LawyersCity
HENRY v HAZZARD: “The common law has long recognised the right to earn a living in Aust, Great Britain & the USA. The High Court of Aust has long recognised the common law right to work. In Commonwealth v Progress Advertising and Press Agency Co Pty Ltd, O’Connor J stated

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 6, 2021 10:42 pm

Me vaxxed, she unvaxxed, my Japanese neighbour and I danced together in our dining room to the online one-hour real-time class today, both puffing away. You do this four times weekly? she asked with new respect for 78 year old class leader and 79 year old me. She’s only 61, a keen tennis player, and found it tough enough but full of fun as well. She’s joining me now for two regular classes a week.

Calli, this vaxxed/unvaxxed thing will be history by the end of December. Hang in there.

And P, sorry you have to worry about vaxxing a 12 year old, especially given the heart issues. I have a similar issue with my autistic grandson who is turning 12 in January and whose mum wants him vaxxed. He’ll want to fit in too. I hope a bad reaction doesn’t just add to his existing problems.

When you become a grandma you just increase the worry load. Comes with the territory. All the best to your grandson for his future surgery.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:42 pm

My god…

City Lawyers
@LawyersCity
·
5 Oct
LEGAL ALERT: Davis v Victoria Police Z848/2020. The FOI application to discover documents about the criminal investigation into Brett Sutton re Slug Gate had its 4th hearing last week. Vicpol rely on s.25A of the FOI Act to say they don’t even have to look for the documents..

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 10:44 pm

biosecurity enforcement orders upon “classes of individuals”, specifically requiring them to wear specified clothing or equipment (108M), to be relocated and detained (108L), for an indefinite time (108 (2) ) and to provide body samples to the World Health Organization (108P)

“classes of individuals” – Jews
“wear specified clothing” – striped clothing & yellow star
“relocated & detained” – shipped via cattle cars to concentration camps
“for an indefinite time” – until death
“provide body samples to WHO” – close – lampshades, gold teeth, hair, fat for soap….

To make it all legal….

P
P
October 6, 2021 10:46 pm

Can any of you imagine what it is like to try to open up a couple of restaurants in the Sydney CBD which have been closed for several months.
I think not.
It will be done though, it will be done. We are Aussies!

It’s easier with the restaurants that have been endeavouring to be operating as take-aways.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:47 pm

Thank you, dot. Where does one keep abreast of the resistance effort via the Australian judiciary?

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:48 pm

Calli, this vaxxed/unvaxxed thing will be history by the end of December.

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!?

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 10:52 pm

City Lawyers is one of the best, it is anonymous as far as I can figure out. Hence they have a bit of freedom.

The Slug Gate thing could be huge.

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 6, 2021 10:52 pm

This is the first time France has recalled its U.S. ambassador in the well over 200 years of close relations dating to France’s support for the American Revolution.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/john-kerry-claims-joe-biden-literally-not-aware-us-australia-submarine-deal-anger-france-video/

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 10:58 pm

The quantity and intensity of Covid propaganda the ABC is pumping out is truly staggering. Its content is not markedly different from that produced by newsmedia outlets for Outer Party educated sheep found in history’s most depraved totalitarian societies.

P
P
October 6, 2021 10:58 pm

I’m hoping when NSW opens up on the 11th that at least the hairdressers will open beforehand so that that those working in hospitality will not be forced to appear in their present state.

Arky
October 6, 2021 11:01 pm

Covid propaganda the ABC


It’s the chicks.
They’ve gone slowly insane over the last forty years, and it’s reached a crescendo over this covid malarky.
We may all have to let them go and turn gay if we want to survive.

srr
srr
October 6, 2021 11:03 pm

James O’Keefe Response to an Intrepid New York Times Reporter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0ruX14UfQ

Oct 6, 2021
Project Veritas

They really don’t care how stupidly, in your face, their bald faced lies are; the tactic is to simply keep repeating the lies as if they’ve never been proven to be lies and constantly claim victory over those they lie about.

Thank God James O’Keefe has the intelligence & work ethic to not let the lying liars wear him out.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 6, 2021 11:05 pm

I like just about all of Heinlein. I grew up on his works and he’s a significant part of the reason why I comment on libertarian/free market leaning sites. Heroes work, and am willing to take on the dragons. Got any to kill?

“Starship Troopers” was the all time classic…

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 11:05 pm

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!?

Mate… the power they have must be intoxicating. They will not relinquish it without a struggle.

The best way is for ALL the pollies to be replaced – and get ones in that still kind of understand the phrase “it is an honour to serve”.

A bit more difficult will be on how to get rid of the lobbyists and hollow men . You can’t vote those out!

And even more difficult is how to replace the bureaucracy? They are the rot that keeps this corruption lubricated!

Difficult Difficult Difficult!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 6, 2021 11:05 pm

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!?

No, of course not. But I’m hopeful. It was always on the cards that the impossiblity of monitoring this nonsense would make it implode in on itself by Decembeer 1. I think that is Perrottet’s view too. I think Calli and any other unvaxxed person should just walk in to wherever and carry on being there. Evictions are not what people want to do, but get cameras ready if they try it. If if comes to family or friends being unwilling to mingle, just laugh at them and mingle anyway. They’ll soon get used to it.

As I said, if you really want to go somewhere and you are a female over 60, borrow my printout vaxx.
If enough people do this it will help invalidate the system too.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 11:08 pm

I just liked and flagged my own comment. The new Cat is awesome!

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 11:10 pm

Melbourne is the world’s most liable city, remember.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 11:10 pm

“Starship Troopers” was the all time classic…

For me the formative Heinlein book was Time Enough For Live. Woody is a role model.

By the way – have you read Haldeman’s Forever War? It was meant to be an anti-jingoistic reply to Starship Troopers – but I reread it recently and it is kind of prophetic.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 11:11 pm

Livable! My goodness, autocorrect was absolutely and savagely on the money that time.

Zipster
October 6, 2021 11:11 pm

I just liked and flagged my own comment. The new Cat is awesome!

I just flagged you for flagging yourself!

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 11:11 pm

Hannah Smith – cruisy music.

RobK
RobK
October 6, 2021 11:12 pm

Global Energy Crisis Is the First of Many in the Clean-Power Era

Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/technology/global-energy-crisis-is-the-first-of-many-in-the-clean-power-era
Copyright © BloombergQuint

There’s no getting around the obvious.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 11:12 pm

Indolentsays:
October 6, 2021 at 9:38 pm
A mechanistic explanation is not just some bland statement about what might happen. It is a detailed description of the specific steps involved in creating the problem. So please point me to where the doctor explains that process.

Since I have no medical background bland statements are all I can manage. However, this is the presentation by Dr. Ryan Cole I referenced. It was originally up on YouTube but, unsurprising, was removed for challenging the narrative.

He makes a very good point about why the US was hit so badly. Obese, vit D, magnesium and K2 deficient. Possibly zinc and selenium as well. Another issue could be people not seeking treatment early enough because of medical expenses.

He makes some interesting points but I didn’t see a single reference(I skimmed) and there is data which contradicts some of his claims. What he sees in the lab is a poor guide, we really need to see much more than what one man sees in a lab result. He states in COVID infection we see antibodies in different proteins than the spike protein. Last time I checked that wasn’t the case but perhaps it is true. When he talks about the future risks of cancer and autoimmunity he finishes with, “we don’t know”. Not very helpful, no meat on that.

Yes people with morbidities are more at risk from the vax than otherwise. They are also at much higher risk if they develop an infection. They will develop a better immune response but they can also risk some chronic problems that we do know about.

Dr. Cole’s webpage(if I got the right Dr. Cole), doesn’t have any listed publications. That’s a little unusual or it could be just an oversight.

I prefer doctors like Campbell in the UK because he goes through the relevant literature and makes it very accessible for most educated people. He digs into the data rather than relying on his personal observations.

I’m very much over the COVID\vaccine thing. Too much noise from both sides of the argument. I can appreciate why some are very suspicious of the claims by the medical establishment. There is too much politics in this but we shouldn’t abandon standards of evidence because we have feelz that something isn’t right.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 11:14 pm

Hey, Economist magazine! Have you checked the livability ratings of our cities this year? How are we doing?

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:15 pm

I just got a summons for jury service.

dress up as Gunner
ask if you can get paid for service

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 11:16 pm

Rorschach says:
October 6, 2021 at 11:05 pm

The best way is for ALL the pollies to be replaced

#emptyeverypoliticalhouse
#flushemall

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 11:17 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 6, 2021 at 11:05 pm
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!?

No, of course not. But I’m hopeful. It was always on the cards that the impossiblity of monitoring this nonsense would make it implode in on itself by Decembeer 1. I think that is Perrottet’s view too. I think Calli and any other unvaxxed person should just walk in to wherever and carry on being there. Evictions are not what people want to do, but get cameras ready if they try it. If if comes to family or friends being unwilling to mingle, just laugh at them and mingle anyway. They’ll soon get used to it.

As I said, if you really want to go somewhere and you are a female over 60, borrow my printout vaxx.
If enough people do this it will help invalidate the system too.

My understanding is you would have to call the police because a forceful eviction could constitute assault. Security guards can arrest and detain but only if you have committed a crime. I’ll leave that here for others here who know the law better to correct me.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 11:18 pm

Melbourne is dead!
Devastating. I can’t pick the arcade though

If only Melbourne… I fear the West is dead.

The economies are rooted and the governments way overextended in debt. All it needs is something that will decimate the populations and help identify and ostracise / cancel the free and nonconformist … oh wait!

All that will be left is the salting of the souls. (I know s/b soils … but in this case the auto correct may have hit on something)

Muddy
Muddy
October 6, 2021 11:21 pm

Rorschach says:
October 6, 2021 at 11:18 pm

All that will be left is the salting of the souls

Carthage anyone?

vlad redux
vlad redux
October 6, 2021 11:21 pm

I enjoyed Glory Road.

Almost everything by Heinlein before the seventies was good to great; from 1970 onwards, sadly, not so hot.

P
P
October 6, 2021 11:23 pm

Those who have been operating previously under the instructions for gyms will now have been made aware that gyms defined as ‘martial arts studios’ will no longer be classed as gyms but more aligned to Dance Studios

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2021 11:23 pm

Melbourne is the world’s most liable city, remember.

If only it were. They owe the rest of us for tanking the economy big time.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 11:24 pm
MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:24 pm

What the hell has happened to our ability to think? It cannot all have been suppressed by panic, surely?

Oh Megan … tsk tsk

They won’t need replacing.

It’s the reason they shrunk the economy

vlad redux
vlad redux
October 6, 2021 11:25 pm

I can’t pick the arcade though.

Howie Place.

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:38 pm

I just flagged you for flagging yourself!

well I just flagged you for being a dobber!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 6, 2021 11:39 pm

Almost everything by Heinlein before the seventies was good to great; from 1970 onwards, sadly, not so hot.

Fair comment – some of his last stuff was positively creepy.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 11:39 pm

Security guards can arrest and detain but only if you have committed a crime. I’ll leave that here for others here who know the law better to correct me.

That have to see it and not lose sight of the offender.

Section 100 of the LEPRA.

Actually, everyone has a right to do that.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 11:40 pm

China warns World War Three could be triggered ‘at any time

State-backed newspaper said there is ‘almost no room for manoeuvre, teetering on the edge of a face-off’
It claimed that China was ready for all-out war with the US, warning that Taiwan was ‘playing with fire’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10063171/China-warns-World-War-Three-triggered-time.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

And in that cheery note… good night!

srr
srr
October 6, 2021 11:40 pm

Pope Francis vs. Cardinal Becciu:
Vatican Bank Money Laundering in 10 Facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEKzf26pogg

Streamed live 16 hours ago
Dr Taylor Marshall

The controversy surrounding Pope Francis and Cardinal Becciue continues as the trial escalates into the largest Vatican trial of the last several centuries.
Ten defendents are facing accusations of financial embezzlement, money laundering, abuse of office, misappropriation, and fraud.
Dr. Taylor Marshall summarizes the trial and explains why this is potentially the worse thing that could happen to Pope Francis.

RobK
RobK
October 6, 2021 11:41 pm

Oops. Accidental comment report.
Sorry dot.

Zipster
October 6, 2021 11:41 pm

Global Energy Crisis Is the First of Many in the Clean-Power Era

This inflation coming through is going to have some nasty side effects if central banks have to raise rates. This is all just one big clusterfuck.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 11:42 pm

The best way is for ALL the pollies to be replaced – and get ones in that still kind of understand the phrase “it is an honour to serve”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

Bruce in WA
October 6, 2021 11:45 pm

Ahh, Sweden … Covid under control, crime out of control.

As ‘bomb blast’ on apartment block housing police witness injures 20, how liberal Sweden’s cities were last year plagued by more than 200 explosions and 360 shootings in violence blamed on ‘criminal clans with a different culture’

Suspected bomb blast ripped through apartment block in central Gothenburg on Tuesday, injuring 20 people

Police sources revealed an officer who recently testified at a major gang trial lived in the building

Bomb and gun crime has soared in recent years, with more than 200 explosions and 360 shootings last year

The country suffered its highest level of murder and manslaughter for at least 18 years in 2020

Eighty per cent were linked to gangs and 39 per cent involved guns

Right-wing blames massive immigration in recent years, largely from the Middle East and North Africa

But the government has long shied away from drawing any link between immigration and the country’s gangs

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 11:45 pm

Oh come onsays:
October 6, 2021 at 10:58 pm
The quantity and intensity of Covid propaganda the ABC is pumping out is truly staggering. Its content is not markedly different from that produced by newsmedia outlets for Outer Party educated sheep found in history’s most depraved totalitarian societies.

ABC Local Radio has the most annoying old cuck reading the news nightly.

He sounds like he is aroused reading about ever expanding government control under the COVID “state of emergency”.

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:45 pm

Devastating. I can’t pick the arcade though

guys … we work in all of them
they’re all dead.

damn near everything is closed
my estimate is over 70%.
some malls are shuttered completely

who in their right mind would ever lease a property here with the mongs in charge who can destroy it all on a whim any time?

retards, mongs, commies

Next step is allocating capital and labour.

Yep, they are both no longer your own

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 11:47 pm

MatrixTransform says:
October 6, 2021 at 11:38 pm
I just flagged you for flagging yourself!

well I just flagged you for being a dobber!

And I flagged the lot of you dobbing pricks…..

Arky
October 6, 2021 11:50 pm

I refuse to fight the Chinese for the benefit of our local governing commies.

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:52 pm

dover, please ban Fat Tony for taking jokes too far

MatrixTransform
October 6, 2021 11:53 pm

… and Arky too

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 11:55 pm

who in their right mind would ever lease a property here with the mongs in charge who can destroy it all on a whim any time?

Maybe Dan XiMan’s job is to wreck the Victorian economy for his CCP paymasters.
Gladbags was doing a knock-up job on the NSW economy – see what happens in NSW now for an indication on how deep the CCP corruption is.

If the economies of Vic & NSW are destroyed, then chaos will result from the civil strife.

This then would be the trigger to bring in the UN Peace-Keepers (CCP troops) under that new Federal legislation.

Between the UN (CCP) and the “vaccinations”, the population of Australia will be reduced considerably.
The USA won’t intervene thanks to the Demonrats and Uncle Joe Biden – they’ll be wracked by their own civil strife at the right moment.
Australia (the mines & farms) will become a CCP Province, populated by the Han Chinese.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 6, 2021 11:56 pm

A little goss on the cop murder trial in Perth.
Haven’t seen it mentioned on the news despite it being a fairly newsworthy event.
First jury discharged after “ supporters” of the dead lady went ape shit in the courthouse.
Enough for the judge to think it might have influenced the jury…
Same reason they denied the defences request for a tour of the crime scene. Last thing they want is people seeing just how foul the parallel society in the area has become.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 6, 2021 11:56 pm

dover, please ban Fat Tony for taking jokes too far

Oi – that’s a bit fucking rude….

Arky
October 6, 2021 11:57 pm

Australia (the mines & farms) will become a CCP Province, populated by the Han Chinese.

..
Good.
I hate you white bastards and your stupid rules against eating bats.

Jorge
Jorge
October 6, 2021 11:58 pm

“Lum the Assaulter”

Great tactic. Single out individual cops like that and target them with mockery.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 11:59 pm

Dotsays:
October 6, 2021 at 11:39 pm
Security guards can arrest and detain but only if you have committed a crime. I’ll leave that here for others here who know the law better to correct me.

That have to see it and not lose sight of the offender.

Section 100 of the LEPRA.

Actually, everyone has a right to do that.

Thanks DOT. Citizen’s arrest. Rat cunning idea. A coordinated entry into multiple venues known to refuse entry all the same district. Easily overwhelm police resources. Probably also result in maximum fines.

MatrixTransform
October 7, 2021 12:00 am

Australia (the mines & farms) will become a CCP Province, populated by the Han Chinese.

did you know Tony,
and the missus reminded me of this earlier tonight,
that some of the Chinese Grad students we used to host in our home while the studied here,
told us that they sometimes refer to Melbourne as the New Hong Kong?

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