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But who is leading the Euro ‘Lefties’ here? The US. Oh, but the US is lead by ‘the Lefty’ Biden.…
They voted their way into Socialism, and are just now finding out they have to shoot their way out. But…
You never know. Some of these traitors to western civilization might succumb to balcony accidents.
I’ve put up a post on my encounter with aerial pork.
Thanks, Pogria. I appreciate the offer. While I am feeling a bit mentally scatty, my post began with the best of intentions, but devolved into a ‘Look at moi’ thing. I’m a recovering perfectionist.
Calli. I’m not scoffing at anyone. I tend to be a bit of a hermit, so I’m very aware of what it is like not to have a support network. I seldom reveal much about myself, but I thought there must be others who are concerned about their mental state, and wanted to write that they are very much not alone in this.
O.K. I’ve dug up the car keys from the garden, and must push myself to exit the house, otherwise I’ll sit here for the remainder of the day gazing at my belly button lint.
Lol yes.
As you know I’ve got a special arrangement due to my high status within the Andrew’s government, I am exempt from the lockdown rules, no masks qr coding or curfew for me, the police have my number plate in a special data base for the km rule, in fact no road rules apply to me.
I can go normal shopping whenever I want, a couple of phone calls and it’s VIP opening just for me.
And all that lovely data.
Nom nom.
Did I also mention the handsome remuneration?
Just for regularly posting here that I think vaccination reduces your chances of hospitalisation and dying.
You must be so jealous.
Chuckle.
And yes, it’s all about the political “optics” and always was.
Is there a current estimate of how much money the pharmaceutical industry has made in profits from the selling the covid “vaccines”?
Months ago there was talk of 30 billion.
Muddy, I think a lot of us have come to the same place and it had everything to do with Dan Andrews and Gladys. People gave her the benefit of the doubt for a while and comforted themselves with the thought that at least she is not as bad as Dan. Then Dan unleashed VicPol on anyone who did not bow down and we looked at Gladys and instead of saying that’s no way to treat your people she was getting shriller and shriller.
It dawned on me at that point that Gladys was about to catch up to Dan and outpace him. Therefore ICAC is the best thing that happened to NSW in this instance.
Just seen my two youngest grandkid (twins, 16 months) .. my son dropped in from Gosford to pick up something I had belonging to him (didn’t mention that he’d really come down for his mother’s birthday, she lives a few kms on from me .. LOL!) .. kids, of course, too young to have any idea who I am but nice too see them for ten minutes .. last time was June long weekend .. didn’t have the elder pair as he needed the car space for the pick-up stuff …. probably at Grandma’s with their mum ….
Thought we might get by without the jab conversation but he couldn’t help himself .. all my fault, apparently, if I’d dun what he told me I’d be free to travel ….. was gonna tell him what he could do with his opinions but, what-the-hell , December will come around soon enuf so starting a war ovevaxxing wasn’t worth the angst ……
I really, really do HATE both Federal & State gummints for what they have/are doing .. without a doubt …….!
Melbourne’s lockdown lifting is a Clayton’s, you all know that right?
big whoop for Melbourne
proves still can’t go to bunnings to buy three bags of quick dry
Muddy…noooooo! Of course you didn’t!
But others have. Names aren’t important, only the fact that the shiv was stuck into commenters who have clearly been distressed enough to talk about their woes here.
Not everyone is experiencing the same level of oppression.
Maximum Leader has ordered you ramshackle ruffians to clean up. And eat.
Good dogs.
..
Look at their share prices.
The covid has been an enormous boon for them.
Up until perhaps two weeks ago, I felt I was coping with ‘things’ quite effectively. Since then, both the mental and physical state have been slipping, and I find myself obsessing about trivial issues.
I’m 73 live on my own and apart from a bike ride on a Thursday to have coffee with my youngest daughter (she’s working from home) about the only conversation I have is saying, “Thanx” to the girl in the fruit shop .. (groceries I use the self serve) ..
I have the odd bouts of Black Dog Day but other than that I cope .. I’m not a people person, never have been, even tho I have 4 kids & 8 grandkids .. LOL! .. usually quite happy with my own company but have to admit the one thing that has kept me going thru all this, since swimming has been a NO,NO has been hopping on the bike and doing a 2 hours ride most mornings .. don’t talk or stop but just being out & about seems to clear up any cobwebs and get me thru the rest of the day …..
Today was my 288th circuit since this all began & at 40kms (average) a pop I have now covered over
11 500 kms …… 2 bikes, 6 tubes & 4 tyres later …….. LOL!
Well, Moderna shares at one point had more than quadrupled in value since last Oct 12. But they have settled back a bit. Were down 2.31% today for some reason.
“Andrews has to change the restrictions. The survey tide has turned dramatically and people are ignoring his mandates. We locked down for 12 cases and are reopening for 1800+. It’s all about the science. Unfit for office”
Going to get stuck into Fair Shake for making this comment about people ignoring the Victorian ussr?
If not, why not?
And upload your individual submission under Q10.
Nearly 2,000 km per tube?
Great mileage.
My sil in Melbourne told my wife this week many people are now simply ignoring the rules.
The police can’t be everywhere.
I’ve found that during difficult times, it’s a necessity to have some sort of hobby to keep you going.
Personally, I’ve had more time to do car restoration work, which has kept me somewhat grounded.
If you’re struggling mentally, find a job by and preferably at least one like minded person.
It will do wonders for your mental health.
Find a hobby **
DIGITAL IDENTITY BILL
Five minute video tells you what is at stake and how to provide your say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKmEKWSfVi8
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Just please do something, it doesn’t have to be a long statement.
Roger at 12:04.
Exactly Roger.
I did a lot of business modelling over the last ten years, mostly for large-scale mining and (spit) oil & gas projects.
They were never static models. They were always set up so we could easily see scores of outcomes over 10-15 minutes by toggling input variables up and down. I am horrified at the simplistic static modelling used by the likes of the Carol Burnett Institute.
Exactly.
Modelling is a decision support tool which … hellooooo … requires a decision maker. At least Perrottet is making some attempt to play that role. And, to be fair, Barilaro said something similar. When there was talk of opening at 70% the media had a hissy fit “But, but, elf experts say 85% or 90%”.
Barilaro simply replied, “Yes, elf experts will always recommend a conservative target just looking at medical outcomes. We have to look at the economic aspects as well”.
The Lockdown doesn’t end, Daniel Andrews is just letting The Proven Double Jabbed some privileges, like visiting other Double Jabbed people.
Melbournians are still being kept out of the regions and other nonsensical tossing around of, ‘The Rules’.
They are learning the principles espoused by Robert Peel.
That is, policing ultimately relies upon community consent.
Yes, this is the ONLY way out of this mess. If we keep obeying we will be tied up in ever tightening knots for the rest of our lives, and that of our children.
Speaking of Hunchback.
On this day in 1812, Napoleon started the long march from Moscow back to Paris with the tired, cold and hungry remnants of his defeated army.
Are you as stupid as you pretend others are?
Fair Shake didn’t go about bragging about their courageous Rule Breaking one minute, then BSing that they never broke rules, then playing the swaggering, ‘I do what I like!’, ‘heroine’ again, and then dropping that little bomb of having access to the Mobile Phone Data that spies on everyone being out of their ‘allowed’ areas.
In fact, Fair Shake here is reporting a loss of support for Andrews & Co. whereas you had to remind everyone that people like you have access to the sort of information that is used against people standing up against the tyranny, and that earns them Good Stasi Points with The Andrews Dictatorship.
This is how they count the corona virus deaths in the UK now.
And people argue about assessing vaccine injuries. On this basis, it would be up in the millions.
‘If all you had was one source of news’: Chris Fenton on China’s information warfare
Off to Tangaroa Beach Cleanup. Wifey co-ordinates locally- Tangaroa was set uop by a Kiwi import, completely grassroots, has spent a lot of effort keeping up with compliance and safety. It’s a bit of a wringer of wrigmarole getting it happening, consent and insurance for volunteers, briefing and debrief, gloves and bags and water, survey of litter items found, numbers and weights, pickup of full bags, car drop-offs in advance. Good fun.
(I noticed one corporate- Maersk?- trying to elbow in and/or cannibalize with theirown branded beach cleanup day. Corporatism… scum. Seen Colesworth vampirise our 100-y-o UCA community kitchen with their Second Bite- Red Kite flagships. Scum, pure and simple, with or without the AMs.)
Local ABC radio seem wholly ignorant of Tangaroa. This morning had half a piped hour of how hip and wonderful online sea shanty singing is, and it’s bringing “us” closer in these trying times what covid has done.
Once again, there are people who want to know, and people who simply do not want to know.
*Tangaroa Blue, that is.
He wasn’t actually defeated at this stage, the russians refused to engage in any substantive way.
I’ve heard the invasion of Iraq, in 2003, as a strategic error, up there with Napoleon’s, and Hitler’s invasions of Russia.
His objective was to conquer and occupy Wussia.
Whatever the tactics used by the Wussians, I’m putting this in the “Loss” column for the Little Corporal.
Not sure if this has already been linked. A New Yorker’s take. Appalling language but not untrue.
End Lock Dan
Sancho Panzer says:
October 17, 2021 at 1:09 pm
My sil in Melbourne told my wife this week many people are now simply ignoring the rules.
The police can’t be everywhere.
They are learning the principles espoused by Robert Peel.
That is, policing ultimately relies upon community consent.
Come on Pancho, you are better than this!
Where was the community consent of VikPol and NSWPigs behaviour over the last two+ months?
Are there any published document, surveys or polls that support this “consent”?
There are none.
Will there be consequences for their actions? Highly unlikely and, even then, would that be reported by the lying scummy MSM propagandists?
But, yes, pretending that community consent comes into the policing equation anywhere this side of the Andromeda Galaxy gives one a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling that they are not as unaccountable as they, in fact, are.
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My post on the main page describes exactly how far from consent of the citizenry these idiots have fallen.
Gee rosie, this is a silly lot of words to try to hide the fact that You Stated Mobile Phone Data showed hundreds of thousands of people are breaking the rules, and you still refuse to tell us where we to can access that data –
But don’t worry folks, rosie needs you all to believe this is all a bit of mockery of me.
That she’s made all these brags in little slips of arrogant boasting over the years isn’t anything to bother thinking about.
Brother knows a pub owner in the Goulburn Valley who hasn’t really closed up despite lockDans. However walk past it, the doors are shut and blinds drawn with a core of locals inside each weekend. I’d say that is not an isolated case in rural areas. Amazing isn’t it, some things that were old are new again…
Beating up again an old horse of mine..
Honest question:
How many Cats have had a truly positive interaction with the pigs?
Meaning: When police presence/action made a helpful contribution to a Cat’s life circumstance?
vs
The opposite?
When the police were there simply to: caution, fine, arrest, question, threaten legal consequences?
It can also be said that the people of Sicktoria , or the voting majority, have got exactly what they deserve. And the rest of us – normies – have had to and will continue to suffer. Victoria will remain fkd until this horrid Govt is changed. Even then, watch the LNP go Labour lite yet again.
Point missed Gilas.
This was in response to a comment that people are simply not complying with mask rules.
It takes a pair of Plod ten minutes to write a ticket.
There simply aren’t enough Plodsters to enforce the rules.
Ergo, the law requires community support to work as planned.
DIGITAL IDENTITY BILL – EXAMPLE SUBMISSION. Use it, modify it, shorten it but please let the govt know you oppose it:
I am writing to object most strongly to this form of identity as it is an invasion of privacy in the utmost. Australians rejected the Australia Cards in the 1980s in no uncertain terms. I don’t believe anything has changed in principle since that time.
Whist we have become more reliable on the digitised world it does not mean we want to become digitised ourselves. The digital world exists to serve us, not enslave us. We have seen the beginnings of tyranny and overreach by government authorities during the COVID-19 infestation which went beyond any other world governments’ control measures. I fear that this ID will be the first step to a social credit system similar to China. Many of our leaders have already proven they are ready willing and able to crush normal citizens and their freedoms underfoot – for a virus with a 99+% rate of recovery. This can only be seen as a power grab as it certainly could not ever have afforded the protection they promised. What will people in authority do when they convince themselves of other threats they need to “save us” from? It is far too dangerous a proposal.
One man’s virtue is another’s vice. Unfettered power is an irresistible vice to some and one that only produces poverty and fear in the people under those with that power. Look to socialist and communist countries for proof.
I address the broad areas of the guide which I believe will be sufficient to voice my concerns:
5.1 Providing Legislative Authority for Expansion. Rather ambiguous – expansion into what? We already have our details in the MyGov system for medical, Centrelink and tax purposes. Most Australians’ health records are available to governments as well, along with their banking details. How much more of our lives does the government see the need to control? I think this is more than enough. Any other part of my life is private and I do not believe it is necessary to expand further. The fact that my accountant knows how much interest I earn before I do is already a breach of privacy and a disgrace in my opinion.
5.2 Strengthening Privacy and Consumer Protections. This sounds like government-speak to do just the opposite. Tell me how you are protecting my privacy by taking it? People should be responsible for themselves and have some recourse if a crime is committed against them (fraud or identity theft for example). They do not need a nanny to protect them from possible crimes. This is ridiculous and unnecessary. No I don’t trust government or any other system which promises me absolute protection. It has never been possible and I doubt it ever will be. People need to have multi-layered protection themselves. That is the responsible and free way.
5.3 Establishing Governance Arrangements. This is a statement that assumes you already have the Digital ID in place. See my comments in 5.2 re privacy and the fact that governments cannot guarantee absolute privacy. Governments do not have a right to my life or my privacy.
7.3 Two Voluntary Schemes. Will this be voluntary the way that COVID vaccination is voluntary? In other words you comply or miss out? That is called coercion. I believe this will be the thin end of the wedge. If we keep educating our citizens to be reliant on government, they will eventually be totally reliant. And then what? This is a move towards totalitarianism – I am not convinced this will be voluntary for long. I do not believe any scheme that involves putting all of a person’s private data in one place, or controlling it via one entity, is safe. I do not believe that governments need to know everything about a person. That is not their role. They are to govern, serve and protect – full stop. This proposal is beyond protection – it is enslavement.
I do not believe this type of thing is necessary nor do I believe it will not be used inappropriately. Only a fool could believe that. We only need it to happen once to destroy a life or lives and that is too many times. We are an evolved society who can think ahead and learn from past mistakes. I think the writing is on the wall if you introduce this type of ID.
I absolutely reject that any government needs this much power over, and information about, the good people it is supposed to serve. No amount of convenience or cost savings is worth a person’s freedom – of choice, of conscience, to gather, to speak. This will be the end of a free Australia.
No matter how virtuous you may think this is, in the end it will be quite the opposite.
Please do not allow this tyranny to come to pass.
He wasn’t actually defeated at this stage, the russians refused to engage in any substantive way.
The Russians had no need to engage (other than for we-is-still-‘ere sake)
He had 3 choices after making the fatal error of over-staying in Moscow ……
(1) push on .. and guarantee losing his army completely ….
(2) stay and watch the army disintegrate in Moscow .. or ..
(3) retreat .. the only logical course .. but some poor decision making ensured that retreat became a rout!
Let’s not forget Pearl Harbour.
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From memory, during the final stages of the retreat the Russians had one of Napoleon’s Marshalls cut off and annihilated the young guard.
It was an abject defeat.
The French lost so many horses it made their ability to subsequently wage war limited.
The uniform are just worthless arseholes. I can’t even bare seeing them. There were a bunch getting coffee the other day (what else ) and I asked them if they were returning from Afghanistan or on their way because of the battle fatigues they dress iin. What’s with the combat attire and combat boots?
Mock them, be rude to them, but don’t abuse them (cops).
Muddy, there was no sense of “look at moi”, in your comment. Quite the contrary. I live in a rural area on the outskirts of Sydney, so lockdown hasn’t been an issue for me. I have pretty much done and gone where ever and when ever I wanted. I have no grandchildren as yet, and my son lives with me, so I consider myself very fortunate. There are other issues I am dealing with and your words make me realise I need to say them out loud to good friends whom I have been able to keep in touch with and visit throughout this ridiculous drama.
Like yourself and I believe many others here, opening up to someone is not how we were raised. We were taught to bottle it and believed it a weakness if we said anything other than “yeah, good”, when someone asked “how are you?”. Although it seems easy to think “, I may say something on this forum because I am anonymous”, it still isn’t that easy.
The sadness that permeates the writing on this blog during this past eighteen months has actually made it easier to deal with my own troubles as I know I am not alone and that my difficulties pale in comparison to those of you who are desperately missing close family and friends.
Hope to God it will be over soon. And have your say about the Digital Identity Shakedown, or before you realise, we will be living our own version of Demoliton Man.
Wow, he’s now worth a decent chunk of change. This is real money.
Australia: Lockdowns and Location Apps | John Anderson | The JBP Podcast – S4: E:50
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Oct 12, 2021
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This episode was recorded on September 9th.
Dr. Jordan Peterson and John Anderson exchange ideas about the freedom of conscience, policies, and mandatory vaccines. Dr. Jordan shares his experience with policies while Anderson shares tips on conducting proper debates while commenting on the governmental debates. See how Australia connects to their discussion and how social media came into play.
John Anderson is a sixth-generation farmer and grazier from New South Wales, who spent 19 years in the Australian Parliament. After serving in politics, Anderson launched a web-based interview program, Conversations with John Anderson, featuring interviews with public intellectuals. He continues to serve the interests of Australia’s rural and regional communities.
Nearly 2,000 km per tube?
Tubes come down to punctures .. most of my ride (98%) is on bike paths so fairly clear and easier to pick out hazards .. plus 6 is memory might just as easily be 10 plus changing bikes added 2 additional tyres/tubes without faults …….
Cost-wise , including bikes has been maybe $500 …
It wasn’t uncommon for the French solders to make it back to the safety of quarters and provisions, only to drop dead after defrosting.
The Unvaccinated Are Looking Smarter Every Week
October 16, 2021 – American Thinker
Gab, that last piece you have put there is perfect. It states exactly how we should and do feel about this crap legislation, and also holds enough anger to make them blink.
Well done. I will be using that piece.
Arky says:
October 17, 2021 at 1:32 pm
Thank you Arky, totally agree with you, have also commented.
I never said I had access to the mobile phone data.
I mentioned that the evidence was there that people were not complying with lockdowns in significant numbers and then went and found and linked the article that discussed that.
And to be clear I am sitting outside a cafe right now with my coffee, mask free and un’qr’ed. I also said I regularly travelled to provide care outside the zone which is legal, but I have never been queried about that despite having done this once or twice a week since June last year.
As usual it’s all lies and misrepresentation from you.
This Robot Walks, Flies, Skateboards, Slacklines
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Oct 17, 2021
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Cha Cha Charles
@ChaChaC87311797
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https://digitalidentity.gov.au/have-your-say/phase-3/submission-form
Put your opinion forward regarding a digital identification legislation which is looking to be passed unless there is opposition open until oct 27. Otherwise legally we are agreeing. It resembles legislation currently used in China .
https://twitter.com/ChaChaC87311797/status/1449517866743521281
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Political sources tell me the killing of a Rogue British MP who wished to question the ethics of Big Pharma was to give the UK Gov an excuse to beef up security for all Politician’s ahead of what is coming. What is coming is an awakening of the people that threatens everything.
https://twitter.com/ChaChaC87311797/status/1449509912438980611
Sancho Panzer says:
October 17, 2021 at 1:40 pm
Point missed Gilas.
This was in response to a comment that people are simply not complying with mask rules.
It takes a pair of Plod ten minutes to write a ticket.
There simply aren’t enough Plodsters to enforce the rules.
Ergo, the law requires community support to work as planned.
No Pancho, your post specifically referred to community support for policing. Which is why I commented, as it is a sore point at chez Gilas.
Of course, the law requires community support, and it generally has had that.
Stinking shit laws like these fucked-up PHOs fully deserve mass disobedience, which will hopefully reach something like a 100% incidence.
Ta Gab. I’ll modify and submit. Will pass it on through my email group too.
I will probably also point out to them that the Privacy Regulations were changed by the stroke of a pen to allow storage of medical details (Vaccine Register) without the consent of the person so why would I trust them on this.
Wow some of the stuff being put up this morning and one of the links provided on the Chinese system is straight out of the Minority Report, all we need is the pre cogs…
How many Cats have had a truly positive interaction with the pigs?
Meaning: When police presence/action made a helpful contribution to a Cat’s life circumstance?
One of my ex’s was a police detective; she could find things you didn’t know you’d lost. She knew some moves too; and her stare could melt butter from 10 meters.
Cats & other citizens may now understand why I’ve always held the police in contempt.
What we’ve seen over the past 18 months or so of how the Plod handle the normies over covid, I’ve seen almost every day of my working life.
Now y’all understand where I’ve been coming from.
cohenite says:
October 17, 2021 at 2:22 pm
How many Cats have had a truly positive interaction with the pigs?
Meaning: When police presence/action made a helpful contribution to a Cat’s life circumstance?
One of my ex’s was a police detective; she could find things you didn’t know you’d lost. She knew some moves too; and her stare could melt butter from 10 meters.
A rather more “personal” experience than I was referring to…
Thanks Cohenite.
Gilias.
On your questions. Know through acquaintance 3 NSW plod, 2 are good blokes and third am not sure of being mainly through the vibe. Many years back knew some Vic Pol, good dudes as well especially with legal advice. Have also com across some WA Pol back in the ’90’s and Feds a decade ago. All good dudes, no hint of sadism or a ego trip.
However some of the Highway Patrol I have come across in the past rightly deserve the insult of pigs. Also spent some of my teenage years in Seymour, the cop station there in the 1980’s was a dumping ground for the worst of Melbourne cops. As a result I didn’t have a high opinion of police when I left school.
Life has taught me though there a p$%#s everywhere, some a Snr Constables others are Field Manager or Safety Superintendent or even a bog standard third world imported security guard on a power trip… I treat people how they treat me but Vic Pol at the moment if I was down there would be getting the same treatment JC highlights above.
From memory, during the final stages of the retreat the Russians had one of Napoleon’s Marshalls cut off and annihilated the young guard.
It was an abject defeat.
The French lost so many horses it made their ability to subsequently wage war limited.
The Young Guard .. Marshal Mortier .. tasked with blowing up Moscow Mortier was left with 8 500 troops plus 400/500 wounded & took 8 days to rejoin the retreat. Down to 5000 men at Krasnoe, November 17 Mortier faced 34 000 Russians and kept them off the Grand Army’s path .. crossing the Berezina he was down to 1 500 .. when informed about Napoleon’s departure he shrugged and said, “Let us resign ourselves & not be discouraged” ..
The “undiscouraged” marshal was back in Paris on February 1, 1814 & training the new Young Guards Division and by April was back in battle leading the Young Guards in a decisive victory at Lutzen .. losing a 1 000 men …… Mortier was ill (Sciatica) & missed Waterloo .. he died in 1835
I agree with this rationale. I’m seeing and hearing it too. Viccos in increasing numbers are saying fk it and doing what they want, when they want. Cops are fronting organised resistance but for the general public, meh. And the virus is let loose. Andrews knows this too so it’s go hard for the vaxx numbers and open up because it’s happening in any case.
No rosie, you continue to deceive.
I asked a simple question, you went warp speed into arrogant, deflecting bitch mode –
We can’t, can we rosie, because the link here where you don’t mention anything about breaking the rules, still doesn’t give us the mobile phone data you used to push the, “hundreds of thousands breaking the rules” SCARE Andrews & Co. rely on.
It’s a MSM Propaganda News site that tells us some mobs are checking some data.
No wonder you went out still refusing to let us know where you got your propaganda from, like all that other Pro-Jab Propaganda from MSM Propaganda News sites you post all over the place.
You need to scare people into compliance … for some reason we can only reasonably guess at.
The VikPol dudes belong to a gang led by corrupt thugs and vicious plod “members”. If the good dudes had any shred of decency they’d resign and become Safety or Security plebs on more dosh.
Cronkite
Dude!
Cronkers
Just to clarify as it’s a little confusing. You said the following:
How many freaking exs’s have you had?
Bought myself a Chrissie prez .. one of the grandees can give it too me .. lol!
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“Honest question:
How many Cats have had a truly positive interaction with the pigs?
Meaning: When police presence/action made a helpful contribution to a Cat’s life circumstance?”
I have, ten days ago a police officer rang me regarding something….quite important actually…totally unrelated to Covid. It was a positive discussion too.
Whilst it makes absolutely no difference to my life, my discussion with the police officer might help contribute something positive to somebody else’s life.
The “undiscouraged” marshal was back in Paris on February 1, 1814 & training the new Young Guards
My error .. should be .. February 1, 1813 ……
Back home. Thought I’d purchased cola for the sleepy-bedtime-rum, but either forgot, or did and put it down somewhere. Didn’t buy bacon, cos I had some in the fridge here, but it didn’t pass the sniff test, so no eggs-n’-pig for lunch. Glad I dragged myself to the gym, and equally happy I won the staring contest with the cardio section.
Thanks for the supportive words and advice. I do have a hobby, and a dog, so it could be worse. I’ve also stated previously that I’ve been very lucky during the last 20-odd months compared to some, so … perspective.
Regarding the Digital Identity Bill that Gab has highlighted for us, I had some random thoughts in the wee hours of this morning:
Traditional literacy – lack of amongst population (non-English speaking?).
Digital literacy.
Marginalization of those who are not digital natives (the aged, for example).
Facial recognition may be confronting for some (autistic), offensive to others for cultural reasons (Islamic women), indigenous people (image after death),
I’ll sharpen it up hopefully tomorrow, and then get it away. My thought was to focus on the standard victimology totem pole, as in ‘people already marginalised for reasons a, b, and c, will find themselves further challenged by items x, y, and z in the proposed Bill.’
Worth a try?
Likewise – with some of my own words.
Correct.
Do not assume “Suppression by Police” = “Consent by the public”.
In fact, the degree of suppression of protest and enforcement of laws is an inverse measure of public consent.
If the public enthusiastically consented 100%, the need for enforcement disappears.
so “case” numbers have increased in Victoria. Because….
but those people are vaccinated, right? right??
you mean vaccines don’t work??
here is my shocked face :/
shatterzzzsays:
October 17, 2021 at 1:44 pm
(3) retreat .. the only logical course .. but some poor decision making ensured that retreat became a rout!
If I ever meet US General Mark Milley, I’ll say to him “you know I really think you’re the reincarnation of Napoleon”.
Now for something completely different.
Apologies for the length.
Damn straight. He’s a political tool.
The way to avoid that the tender mercies of him and his ilk is to lose weight if you have to, cut carbs if prone to diabetes, exercise outdoors, exercise situational awareness and prep up with as much of the kit recommended by FLCCC as you can muster.
There’s no way I’m getting tested while lunatics are on the loose in our hospitals.
ZK2A at 3:08.
Go to the article and look at the alleged perp.
Goes by the name of Fiston Ngoy.
No, really.
If you look at his photo it might give an insight into why people looked the other way.
Fiston is very bleck.
As cowardly as it is, I’ll bet many people in Biden’s USA think, “If we beat him up or jump him, we are a chance to be spending some time with Derek Chauvin.”
DIGITAL IDENTITY BILL Here’s another example opposing the Bill:
I do not agree to any part of the Digital Identity Bill being passed by my peers who have been elected to either represent my views in parliament or their employees engaged to carry out the public’s wishes.
I believe this digital Identity scheme is nothing but human farming. Sorry but this is my view. You will keep tabs on our vaccinations and more.
We are not your caged chooks.
Further I will not enter a supermarket if the QR payment comes in – I will only shop in markets, direct farm sales, independent stores etc.
I have tried to live decently and honestly in my lifetime but now find that this has been a waste of time. I fear for my children and grandchildren’s future as their life/health/family connections are completely in the government’s hands.
I wholeheartedly oppose the Digital Identity Bill.
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Please let me know if you need any help on how to go about sending in your submission to the government.
And let them know you will never vote for the Liberals.
The vaccines don’t confer immunity. They do confer protection against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, in around 95% + of those vaccinated who contract the virus. Yes there are risks, which each individual must weigh up and make their choice. There should be NO discrimination between vaxxed or non vaxxed.
Baba at 3:18.
I might have the wrong person, but was it you who said yesterday that you are off to Paris for Christmas?
If so, you will certainly have to get vaxxed and probably get tested prior to returning, right?
How many freaking exs’s have you had?
Which begs the question: are the women in your life ever really ex?
EPL; how bloody good is Mo Salah!!
Cronkers
Just answer. Ex – wives!
ie exactly where the UK is now
Gab,
And let them know you will never vote for the Liberals.
Excellent touch.
Re. the murder of Sir David Amess….everyone is talking about MP’s security which is a nice deflection from the real elephant in the room….Islam and immigration from Islamic shitholes.
The vaccines don’t confer immunity. They do confer protection against severe symptoms
When did this become an acceptable excuse ? … I’m 73 and have always been under the impression that vaccinations were to PREVENT contracting specific ailments not reducing/containing those ailments ..!
VicPol in a nutshell:
A country copper left his one-man station in the High Country early on Black Saturday when he realised the predicted 6pm wind shift would bring the Healesville fire over the Black Spur and straight into Marysville.
He found hundreds of confused, scared people on the town’s oval, got them organised in a caravan and safely to Eildon before the town, the whole town, went up in flames.
A hero, right?
Not according to VicPol brass, which brought him up on a charge — presumably for being a brave, decent human, a species totally alien to the Labor regime’s bought and paid for walloper wallahs.
I recall, but am not 100% sure, that the departmenal charge was dropped after a public outcry, especially from those whose lives he saved.
But the fact that it was brought at all tells you everything about Dan’s blue brass bum-suckers.
Ergh, just listened to the entire pres conference from today… loads of concerning things in this… but I’m looking for the legislation that is being worked on in Victoria.
Dan says (about 1hr 20mins in) “state of emergency, no further extensions, but currently being rewritten into specific pandemic legislation that we are dong now”
Anyone know where this legislation is at??
We have a work colleague to join us in Melbourne from Munich. He has reached Sydney. To enter the country he had to be doubled vaxed… despite catching the Wuflu in April 2020. Ex squeeze me?
Muddy
I’ll sharpen it up hopefully tomorrow, and then get it away. My thought was to focus on the standard victimology totem pole, as in ‘people already marginalised for reasons a, b, and c, will find themselves further challenged by items x, y, and z in the proposed Bill.’
Worth a try?
Good technique. Rub their noses (and the noses of those who usually make those arguments) in political correctness and victimology. Send a copy to any PC whingers you might know.
No argument from me Makka. Vic Pol guys I knew were there in the ’90’s, doubt any of them would be still serving.
When did this become an acceptable excuse ? …
Indeed. The definition of “vaccine ” was recently changed by CDC. From immunity to protection ;
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
The Shownotes for the time pressed who want to skip to specific issues – timestamps at the video link are live links –
Australia: Lockdowns and Location Apps | John Anderson | The JBP Podcast – S4: E:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRFaiqiQGo&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson
? [00:00] Dr. Peterson introduces this week’s guest, John Anderson.
? [03:32] “The problem with fighting fire with fire is that you end up burning.” Dr. Peterson
? [03:54] What’s happening in Australia and the west?
? [04:26] John’s tips for proper debates.
? [06:17] How Anderson views Australia’s regime.
? [06:40] China’s imposed threat on Australia.
? [09:09] John quoting Henry Kissinger on freedom.
? [09:47] The legality of mandatory vaccines in western culture and the blitz story during WWII in Britain.
? [11:48] Anderson’s analogy of democracy.
? [14:31] Dr. Peterson’s advice on policies.
? [16:05] The lockdowns in Australia.
? [22:07] Dr. Peterson’s perspective towards proper political force on vaccinations.
? [21:26] The cost of safety.
? [25:29] John’s opinion on debates.
? [26:56] Breaking down trust in the government.
? [31:53] How governmental debates should be conducted.
? [37:21] Freedom of Conscious.
? [43:10] The best rationale for mandatory vaccines.
? [53:01] Lockdowns and the dangers of mandating medical procedures.
? [59:46] The power of social media and John’s thoughts on moving forward.
? [01:02:19] Social media and John’s podcast.
? [01:06:47] Anderson’s thoughts on freedom and governments.
? [01:10:15] Australian politicians’ understanding of social media.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe I posted any reference to me, myself going to Paris.
cohenitesays:
October 17, 2021 at 3:28 pm
How many freaking exs’s have you had?
Which begs the question: are the women in your life ever really ex?
I’m sure some I’ve known would definitely “identify” that way.
Does anyone publish stats for what is claimed to be the % for contracting the virus and % for passing it on, vaxxed vs unvaxxed?
Yes. In my case I am leaning towards the risk of the virus far outweighing the risk of the vax. I’d rather not have either, but we are where we are.
If I was 25 or 30, I think the scales would tip the other way.
Yep.
If they believe their own publicity it doesn’t make any sense.
Oh, OK.
I just saw it scrolling through and I thought it was you.
Must be someone else.
Local police are now trying to uncover why others in the busy train carriage “did nothing” to help the woman.
“Were they watching? I don’t know. Again, we’re still going through the video but there was a lot of people, in my opinion, that should’ve intervened. Somebody should’ve done something,” police officer, Timothy Bernhardt, said according to a report by CBS-3.
“It speaks to where we are in society; I mean, who would allow something like that to take place? So it’s troubling.”
Maybe they thought it was a BLM protest.
“Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe I posted any reference to me, myself going to Paris.”
What was this last night?
Babasays:
October 16, 2021 at 7:38 pm
Paris. Christmas. Booked.”
We are constantly told on 3AW that getting doubled vaxxed improves our chances of not being hospitalized 30-fold and not dying 8-fold but the figures over Sept in the UK tell another story, see Tables 3 and 4. And given the unlikelihood of either if you’re fit and 55 or younger, the improvement is hardly worth worrying about. And just to quantify that, do the COVID risk calculator. Here is mine:
for comparative purposes, this would be the number when I was just over half my age:
The figures actually indicate that age and health status are more consequential then vaccination status and therefore should drive the decision whether one is to be vaccinated or not.
Does anyone publish stats for what is claimed to be the % for contracting the virus and % for passing it on, vaxxed vs unvaxxed?
About 6 weeks ago I was following UK stats – didn’t trust ours. On hospitalizations and such. It was when I decided to get vaxxed. Passing on- not sure how that can possibly be measured. But if both vaxxed and unvaxxed are contracting the virus it’s pretty clear the vaxxed can pass it on. The thing is, we will all get it at some point. What matters is the severity of the symptoms which is why individual choice (not judged!!) remains paramount IMO.
Just answer. Ex – wives!
Head prefect, it’s not that sort of blog.
Some assumptions being made here. I could have been referring to anyone.
Lol. What’s that smell…..?
LOL, but if it’s more than two I’m blaming you.
Yep, and according to the Israeli data the Pfizer vaccine only really protects for about 60 days. Here is the latest NSW report:
Four dead double vaccinated. And I suspect we’re presently at about the peak of general protection in the NSW population, ie in the 60 day zone. Around February or March that protection is going to wear off…just in time for a Federal election. Won’t that be peachy?
NSW records 301 COVID-19 cases, ten deaths as further restrictions set to ease (17 Oct)
Brucie
I think we need to see a bigger cohort of those who’ve croaked in order to form an opinion…
Dan:
Dan:
Burley for Boomers who got vaxxed to travel o/s. It works a treat. Apparently.
Brucie
There’s also this… NSW/Sydney(?) is at very high double dose. Isn’t it about 90%?
If this is is the case, then 4 (double dose) dead isn’t as bad. In fact the 10% unvaxxed producing 5 dead is actually a pretty scary number
JC – Don’t miss the American Thinker article that P linked upthread.
I’m a 2 in 10,000 death and a 10 in 10,000 hospitalisation.
At 65, that’s not too bad.
More likely to get septicaemia from the garden fork.
Okay.
Female privilege. How do you live with the guilt?
Layzee Sunday afternoon, I got no mind to worry,
Close the eyes and drift away … 🙂
JC – You aren’t taking into account the time axis. Those deaths are from people who were infected maybe a month ago. Some people longer than that. So the death rate is a time machine back to where vaccination levels were a month or more ago.
And then you aren’t seeing the death rates from the vaccines themselves, since that isn’t reported.
It’s not scary at all.
Then:
Straight out of the Liability Bob playbook.
And then you aren’t seeing the death rates from the vaccines themselves, since that isn’t reported
I meant in a relative sense. If you still disagree then explain your point as to why.
Brucie..
Yea, fair enough.
The continued failure of Official Science and Public Health post put forward by Dover is most informative and worth a listen.
Lizzie had discussed this briefly on the OT before, so I await her reply.
Also I’d be interested to hear Winston‘s thoughts on this.
unintended consequences
Thanks for that Dover. Much appreciated. I looked carefully for a ‘I’m on horse paste’ check box but couldn’t find one.
Arks, if it’s any consolation and I haven’t read the post yet – I’ve been subjected to lengthy periods of pigs in space for oh, about the last three and half months, I tells ya.
Monday mornings for about twenty minutes from 8:30am were a nice touch. 🙁
It’s roughly about 1 in a million., but let’s half that due to under-reporting and (assumed) lying.
Since the outbreak to the bioweapon virus . the global extra-death count is 20 million. Estimate that 5 million people were those who couldn’t obtain care they needed because hospital were chock-full and that therefore leaves 15 million unaccounted for. Half this number again just to be conservative and we’re left with 7.5 million dead from the Chinese bioweapon. Let’s say 3 billion people have been vaxzed around the world. That leaves 3000 people dead from vax complications. Sometimes there are shit trade offs, but this isn’t one of them.
is this the new benchmark for all medicines?
No, Zip. That was the Oxford Risk Calculator, calibrated for Covid.
LOL “Pigs in space” apparently is an actual nic-name for the aerial wing in Victoria from what I was told once…
Whoops
Seeing I assumed “halvies”, this
Leaves us with 6,000 people.
Traditionally, real vaccines don’t actually kill anybody.
Traditionally, totalitarianism was a blight confined to last century.
If you credit deaths due to the current vaccines, then you cannot readily discount deaths or serious issues like autism from past vaccines.
In any event, AZ is a repurposed flu vaccine, so the risk shouldn’t be much higher than the regular flu vax.
Let’s have some yart – goodness knows we need it.
Trigger warning – cuteness overload.
Dan:
The lockdown ends on Friday.
Dan:
The new lockdown starts Saturday.
Does anyone know what the fuck is actually happening?
Oh, and the rapid set concrete has been successfully deployed. Little bloke super excited to have dug a real hole and concreted in a post. All those practice holes in the garden paid off!
So, Baba, if you aren’t off to Paris for Christmas, what did this comment last night mean?
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JC – I suspect that’s out by an order of magnitude at least, given anecdotes here and in news stories. The MD in the American Thinker article says VAERS numbers generally undercount by 90-99%.
Nope, vaxxes haven’t been 100% safe in the past and still aren’t if one counts causal association.
More here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/
I think Baba might have been poking the bear.
Metaphorically.
That is very Faulty logic, if I may say so.
So what were you referring to?
The Queen Bees are agitated.
Brucie.. if my numbers in the previous comment are fair enough to go on, then there’s ` 200 million doubl vaxxed Americans, which is about 200 million/3 billion vaxxed around the world.
By those (my) numbers 400 Americans died as result of the vax. Assume VAERS underestimate and double the death count. Still 800 dead is a decent trade off.
Just maybe.
my encounter with aerial pork
How’s the paper mache stinger surface to air missile going?
Where did you hear that JC? Sounds like rubbish. The fluvax is actual flu strains grown up in chicken eggs and killed before use. Which makes sense since flu comes from chickens and ducks, especially in China. The AZ vaccine is a live adenovirus which delivers the same mRNA as the Pfizer and Moderna ones do. It has to be alive to do that, so it can gain entry to cells in the body so that the mRNA can be converted to spike protein. The adenovirus is grown in human fetal cells, hence the letter written by the three Sydney archbishops last year.
That’s my understanding, but I haven’t read up on such things since last year. So I’m happy to be corrected.
Will
In answer to your question.
Apparently 89% of people in Victoria who are sick enough to be admitted to hospital are not vaccinated.
The twitter link i provided shows the cases break up by age.
A lot of the ‘ cases’ are children and teenagers around 7500 out of 20k.
It seems to me while the vaxxed can catch it and can spread it they are less likely to do so, which is why countries like Denmark are now talking about reproduction rates below 1 despite being completely out of lockdown (and very highly vaxxed)
What I can say is the equipment for manufacturing fluvax could be repurposed to make AZ Covid vax. I suspect that was why CSL could do it. Pfizer and Moderna are trickier, and as you know need lower refrigeration temperatures.
The French are just very wrong people.
😀
In 1976, concerns in the United States about a possible influenza pandemic involving a virus
So the Mongs in medicine are slow learners, having previously fucked up big time, they assure us it’s all good this time….
My exact thoughts when I heard this ratbag on the radio this morning.
and the west responds by trying to cover it up
Sustainability: The Tyranny of the 21st Century
My Cardio dude who’s a phd in micro biology and trained at Lenox Hill in cardio specialty. I obviously trust the fucker, Brucie. He also thinks the thing came out of the lab because this one is so unique.
Memo to Gab:
Submission done and dusted.
37 members of Congress have violated a law designed to root out insider trading and prevent conflicts-of-interest’
Russell Brand
Zip
They haven’t violated the law because insider laws actually exclude them from legal sanctions. Isn’t that just great.
JC – Go read the American Thinker article. It says about 50,000, not 400, and believes that is probably an undercount as well. Again given the politics especially in blue states getting an accurate number is basically impossible. The article is well researched and is by a MD.
The 400 number may be the number before the Covid vaccines. Heller put this chart up a couple days ago. Amazing. These things are in a whole different league from previous vaccines.
If any of what you’ve just posted above bore any resemblance to reality, accidental or otherwise, JC.
At the risk of seeming unduly judgemental, you can be such an ol’ woman about these things. Just go and watch some Springsteen videos. Here’s a taster … 🙂
Yes.
A report came out of the US a few months ago which used some tortuous bagel language to say just that:-
“The likliehood of several features of the virus developing in organic hosts contemporaneously is diminishingly insignificant so as to render it almost impossible”.
Translation: “This was cooked up in a lab”.
Arky says:
October 17, 2021 at 4:37 pm
Traditionally, real vaccines don’t actually kill anybody.
Not quite correct, there’s always a benefit/toxicity trade-off with all therapeutics.
But someone on this blog recently quoted VAERS data showing US deaths from the new vaxxes to be around 7,500 in the last 12 months, vs some 5,200 from all vaxxes combined in the last 10 years.
That’s a whole different level of toxicity, which proponents are clearly trying to hide.
And that doesn’t include grade 3-4 side effects.
Just remember that VIOXX, a COX-2 inhibitor antiarthritic, was taken off circulation in the mid-2000 following reports of 10 (ten) myocardial infarcts over millions of doses, Merck lost a mint, or two, because of this.
Also, the CDC re-definition of a vaxx to one of “protection”, which we know is hopelessly incomplete in COVID vaxxes, could just as well apply to all medical treatments.
They are all licensed when demonstrably able to protect from some of the effects of a particular disease.
It is sophistry taken to new levels. Stinking beyond high-heaven.
The CDC, NIH and FDA are now so compromised, they might as well go all in and start modelling climate.
Why should good luck be a crime?
It’s a known phenomena called the “diffusion of responsibility.” There have been numerous occasions when this has been observed, a person is assaulted in the presence of a large number of people, none of whom offer any assistance to the victim. The bystanders don’t get involved as they think that someone else will respond, so the assailant isn’t challenged by anyone.
The reverse happens when there is a single bystander, that person usually goes to the aid of the victim as they know no one else is there to assist.
Please, God, no!
Anything but Springsteen!
But if you really must self immolate, try this version.
Vax. Tuesday. Pfizer.
JC – Your cardio guy is conversationally simplifying for a non technical person ie you. AZ superficially resembles the flu vax, and is made in a similar way. But it isn’t a repurposed fluvax or you would (a) not have the religious issue hanging over AZ and J&J or (b) you would then have that issue hanging over fluvax. Which hasn’t occurred hitherto.
LOL, panzer
Rabz
Those stats, weren’t mine. Brucie dragged them out.
Two of you now couldn’t extend the thought process just a bit further and see that I was talking about it in a relative sense and not absolute. It’s not absolutely scary, but it is so in a relative sense.
Read up before that. I told Brucie his 5 , 1 and 4 dead stats is a little light on so it does suggest I was talking in relative terms.
Gab, thanks for all you excellent posts re: Digital Identity Bill.
I’m a tech numptie and have a problem where the form asks what files (point 9 and 10) I want to use. What does this mean? Is there a general overview of the bill that I can pass on to family, who will readily sign?
Dude!
Leigh Lowe was elbowing little old ladies out of the queue to get AZ 6 months ago.
Rabz says:
October 17, 2021 at 4:44 pm
Let’s have some yart
Hmmm.. Methinks you should just get in touch with this chick and be done with it.
From NSW Health:
You must carry proof of vaccination or medical exemption with you at all times.
Not just when you want to get into a place that requires proof of a double jab.
At all times.
I don’t think the majority of NSW residents understand how deep we are in totalitarian quicksand.
Ooh, meant to add, Gab: your points are great, but don’t say, “sorry, but…” in any of them.
We’re not sorry to be protesting this fascism. Our elected reps should be sorry (and ashamed) for trying to inflict this upon us.
Is he now even though the AZ is “a repurposed flu vaccine” the actual words he used. I’m not paraphrasing but the actual words.
Okay. so you agree then. Good.
Bruci, the religious aspect is so freaking far from the aborted cells it’s not funny. They were using cells originally derived from an abortion that occurred in the 70s. That’s multiples of orders away. Multiples.
It is not scary, firstly, because of what Bruce said but I’d to that you need to know the number of + cases unvaxxed v vaxxed 28 days earlier because I’m sure the ratio is higher for unvaxxed so that ratio evenning out is worrying for the vaxxed. Secondly, because the relative difference between unvaxxed and vaxxed shouldn’t be the number your concerned with independently of the absolute risk of being unvaxxed given your position re age and health status. If the absolute risk is enough to worry you, then you improve that number by moving yourself into the vaxxed category, and improving your health status where you can.
Thirdly, given that COVID deaths falls disprortionately on the aged and the chronically ill, being vaxxed is just less important than those factors.
JC – I no longer give a rodent’s about any bat flu stats, real or otherwise. It is all bollocks.
Which we never mind. 🙂
I doubt it.
Lowe was a renowned bear agitator, and was pretty jolly good at it from what I could see.
That tab is only available using a Tor browser. Say no more.
Fish. Friday. Halibut.
LOL – like she would even acknowledge my existence. Reduced to admiring from afar – being the other side of the planet.
Delta – and anyone else:
Here’s an example for Question 9. I’ll post another one for Question 10. Change them to suit your opinions.
QUESTION 9 EXAMPLE
Attention: Stuart Robert
Minister for Employment, Workforce, Skills, Small and Family Business of Australia
RE: (Un)trusted Digital Identity Bill
With the introduction of this Bill, I recognize the government seeks to further digitize our lives in an effort to universalize government services and hereby declare my wholehearted disapproval.
Our country has endured enough already at the hands of a globalist agenda that’s seen the utter denigration of our rights, freedoms and liberties as the result of a well-orchestrated and highly questionable circumstance.
If we are to speak of Digital Identity then I feel we need to advocate for principles of data minimization, consent and limited access that reinforce our fundamental rights as we try and rebuild our communities here in Australia.
We cannot continue on the current path without stopping to build in necessary human rights protections to mitigate harm. Our civil liberties should be the very foundation upon which any digital ID technologies, platforms and systems are constructed. Otherwise, in the quest to create a digital ID for the benefit of many, our fundamental rights can and will most likely crumble even further.
Already, I see how you (the government) are working to splinter the internet, collect and localize data and impose regimes of surveillance and control meaning exploitation and abuse of these systems will be to the detriment of our freedoms and democratic society – what’s left of it.
Any remaining trust or confidence held in our politician(s) or the political system has now been decimated particularly after witnessing what has unfolded in our country since the State Of Emergency was announced in 2020 I hold grave fears for our most basic of human rights and know we will be very near beneath an authoritarian regime if this bill is passed and demand it be repealed
Sincerely A Very Concerned Australian Citizen
For all the smokers here
Remember when attaching documents, use a pdf file, not a Word file.
Rosie, have you checked out who CovidBase are?
The data you put up is at odds with Covid Live.
The 89% figure for unvaccinated is not in line with past trend and as I posted yesterday, there seems to be some very odd activity in the stats reporting.
This suits Andrew’s political agenda. He’s not above lying you know.
Three teenage boys reveal themselves as brains behind CovidBase AU data tracking website
QUESTION 10 EXAMPLE
Attention: The Dishonourable Stuart Robert
Minister for Employment, Workforce, Skills, Small and Family Business of Australia
RE: (Un)trusted Digital Identity Bill
In response to the proposed bill, I OBJECT to its entire premise, ideology and its underworks. I DO NOT CONSENT to any form of digital identity recognition for the accreditation of entities in relation to digital identity systems generally, and for related purposes. I urge you to REVOKE the Bill and not progress any further.
Addressing sections of the proposed draft Bill:
Chapter 1: (3) Objects
1. The act will NOT provide individuals with simple and convenient methods for verifying their identity in online transactions as it not just a simple ‘system’ that is being imposed. It is a complex system that encapsulates all elements of our lives in one place. If you do not consent of ‘voluntarily’ participate in ‘the system’ you will essentially be outcast and discriminated against. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
2. It will NOT promote economic advancement by building trust in digital identity services as it is doing the opposite. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
3. It will NOT facilitate economic benefits for, and reduce burdens on, the Australian economy as it is not a burden to continue using the methods already established i.e., Credit cards and cash. These methods have been used for decades, how is this a burden to the Australian economy? I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
4. It will NOT enable innovative digital sectors of the Australian Economy to flourish as it will give rise to identity theft and fraud which pose as even higher risks on the individual, organisations and businesses. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
5. It is stated that the objects are to be established via reliable and ‘voluntary means’, there is no indication on the boundaries of this. As we have witnessed with the COVID-19 vaccinations, coercion was undertaken to enforce the vaccinations else livelihoods were lost. People did not voluntarily give consent to be administered a trial vaccination, they were forced to in order to be able to work, provide and survive. They have families and children to feed, yet no one seems to be addressing this term ‘Voluntary’. To uphold the definition of the term, Voluntary means there will be no segregation nor discrimination on those that choose not to participate. Their rights and ability to interact with society should not be affected nor restricted in any way as they have the same rights as those who choose to use the system. I OBJECT TO THE BILL! It will only cause a repeat of what we are already seeing in society. The Australian people have gone through enough pain, anguish and bullying.
6. The privacy and ethical ramifications behind this Bill will be costly to all those involved. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
Other chapters:
1. Your ‘interpretation’ under the ‘personal information’ (a) on page 9 of the draft, what is being referred to by ‘opinion’? Is this in reference to an opinion made about an individual using ‘the system’ by someone else within an organisation? I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
2. Including attributes of the individual, if they are alive or dead, restricted attributes and biometric information of an individual? In all instances of this mentioned, they all violate the basic principals of privacy. Why would any retailer or organisation need information so specific? It is an invasion of privacy on all levels to ask any individual for these and so unresponsible to list them like it is free information everyone would want to share. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
3. Page 12 of the document continues to address the (c) information or an opinion about the individuals, racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, membership of political associations, religious beliefs, philosophical beliefs or affiliations, memberships, sexual orientation or practices, and criminal records. WHY WOULD ANY OF THIS INFORMATION NEED TO BE COLLECTED TO MAKE SIMPLE PURCHASES! I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
4. Further along the next paragraph it is stated that restricted attributes such as health information about the individual, an identifier of the individual that has been issued or assigned by or on behalf of; commonwealth or an authority or agency of the commonwealth, a state or territory can be collected and input into the digital registration listed as a restricted attribute of an individual. Now this is directly aligning with vaccination status and trying to collect information from the individual that’s linked to Medicare or MyGOV. It is not hard to see what this bill is trying to encompass and direct society to. I OBJECT TO THE BILL as this will cause discrimination and segregation within our communities. Adding in the TFN as an identifier also suggests the plan to link this within the workplace. I OBJECT TO THE BILL as this is all personal information and taking things too far!
5. Further on page 13, Fit and proper considerations are mentioned and state, ‘in having regard to whether an entity is a fit and proper person for the purposes of this Act’. Again, does this mean you will be excluding those who do not wish to participate in the ‘system’ which in turn proposes that you will be banishing them from being an active member in society if they do not conform and provide all the information required, based all around their ‘medical status’ aka being vaccinated or not. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
6. On page 36, ‘holding digital identity information outside Australia’, why would anyone overseas need to access this kind of information? If it is meant to be so positive and help Australia’s economy, then why is it being branched out overseas? This seems to raise alarm bells and suggests that there is another hidden agenda riding on this bill. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
7. The use of the term ‘civil penalty units’ and suggesting there will be punishment for both the individual and business (on page 46) continues to raise more flags as this is not merely just a Bill that captures personal identity and information to drive the Australian economy, but it is suggesting a civil social credit system by which individuals and businesses will be credited and uncredited in order to control their interactions and behaviour. This then suggests that there will be a credit ranking system in place that removes certain privileges. I OBJECT TO THE BILL AS WE ARE NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY! WE LIVE IN DEMONCRACY AND THIS BILL VIOLATES THIS TO THE CORE!
In conclusion after thoroughly reading through the proposed Bill, I am appalled that ‘the system’ being suggested lacks to consider the ramifications and consequences communities will be subjected to. Marketing it as a benefit to society and attempting to put a positive spin to a Bill that will essentially discriminate, segregate, violate privacy and human rights must clearly be RETRACTED, REJECTED, and REMOVED from any future discussions. I OBJECT TO THE BILL!
From a Concerned Citizen
Dover
Bother you and Brucie are really over egging this omelette. Okay, take Brucie argument and we all agree that the death stats weren’t produced by the 90% vaxxed number. What was the rate two weeks ago in NSW? How many people were vaxxed then : 75%?
Therefore 25% produced the 5 dead. It’s still RELATIVELY big.
Here’s where both of you come off the bobsled together. That death count wouldn’t change much for the unvaxxed .
In terms of death, sure, but not in severity.
These examples are from people who have posted publicly.
Dover
have you seen my email?
Okay, but you did comment, so you must have cared when you commented and no longer do now. Okay. It was an in-between caring in your overall non-caring. Am I right?
Australia is now a communist country
More foreign takes on this country.
JC – for goodness’ sake does it really matter?
This destruction of our way of life was even remotely worth it?
The lamest pandemic. Evah.
Both.. not.. bother..
Sancho is very fishy. Confirmed!