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Children’s Games, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1560

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twostix
twostix
November 9, 2021 11:48 am

From The Orwellstralian:

Breaking: Palaszczuk announces freedoms for Queenslanders.

The ‘New Freedoms’? We’re being ‘given’?

As soon as tomorrow people won’t be allowed to go to pubs, clubs, hospitals, gallery, stadiums, libraries without being vaccinated.

What a surreal moment. In Victoria and NSW they did this under the cover of a pandemic panic. Here we sit one day completely freely swanning about, the next day banned – sentence passed, no court, no judge, no jury.

So we see it makes no difference if there are zero cases or 1000 cases: the ‘vaccine’ passport and this new system of control was always the purpose.

shatterzzz
November 9, 2021 11:53 am

Yep, apparently, 3 weeks after the jab your blood is, once again, considered safe to donate .. why 3 weeks I have no idea ..!
\The Australian Red Cross site says 1 week.

Last week it was 3 weeks .. obviously, the SCIENCE realised they were a getting a bit low! .. LOL!

Crossie
Crossie
November 9, 2021 11:54 am

calli says:
November 9, 2021 at 11:44 am
Rittenhouse is a political prisoner of a corrupt regime.

As are any jurors unlucky enough to be selected for the panel.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 11:54 am

Now it’s Queensland’s turn for punishment. I am just so sorry that you have to go through it all too.

All for absolutely nothing.

Gab
Gab
November 9, 2021 11:55 am

This Saturday 12pm at State Library.

Also 12 noon at Parliament House.

Rabz
November 9, 2021 11:56 am

And in other grate news I’ve just heard my brother has had a coronary.

Bloody hell.

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 9, 2021 11:57 am

Your analysis is spot on Crossie. Funny how the royals decided that they no longer have to pretend. The crown is no longer a symbol of decency and propriety.

Crossie
Crossie
November 9, 2021 11:57 am

As soon as tomorrow people won’t be allowed to go to pubs, clubs, hospitals, gallery, stadiums, libraries without being vaccinated.

What a surreal moment. In Victoria and NSW they did this under the cover of a pandemic panic. Here we sit one day completely freely swanning about, the next day banned – sentence passed, no court, no judge, no jury.

Chocolate rations will be increased from 40 grams to 20 grams.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 9, 2021 12:00 pm

Chris get half the existing members to identify as women. Use their own weapons against them.

twostix
twostix
November 9, 2021 12:01 pm

I’ve long said QLD will be Cuba to Victoria’s USSR.

Out of all the punishments, incredibly described by The ‘Australian’ as ‘Freedoms’, banning people from hospitals and aged care homes is the most vicious.

And mask mandates are being lifted. So they’re saying those dumb things don’t do anything for anyone – sorry NSW and Victoria, looks like you’re not Science!(tm) Compliant.

Razey
Razey
November 9, 2021 12:01 pm

From The Orwellstralian:

Breaking: Palaszczuk announces freedoms for Queenslanders.

The ‘New Freedoms’? We’re being ‘given’?

As soon as tomorrow people won’t be allowed to go to pubs, clubs, hospitals, gallery, stadiums, libraries without being vaccinated.

I doubt they will not allow you to go to hospital.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 12:07 pm

Groogs is a much loved Cat character. Sort of like Hammy … only stupider.

I think thats most unfair. Grigory is clearly as intelligent and switched-on as almost any of the highly-respected Cats around, and not apparently subject to the delusions of any of the unthinking leftists or whining victim representatives (self-appointed).
Ze is just smelling really really strongly of formaldehyde and was banned for creepy posts groogling identities of kittehs.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 12:11 pm

@ Chris-

You forgot the gypsum-fuelled wrongology and disturbing fetishisation of Joe Burns…

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 9, 2021 12:11 pm

rabz

Of course the real agenda is simply to stop the proles being able to drive and ruthlessly restricting their freedom of movement.

Tom do that, they will have to abolish the concept of elections.

Hunger Games, here we come. Use it as they use 1984, as a “How To” guide.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 12:13 pm

Nota Bene you vicious uptickers of Johanna’s overwrought bile:

How to save the grandchildren from the vaxx was a topic of conversation last night.
My ‘telemedicine’ medical woes were in response to Arky’s piece about doctors.
When Johanna publishes something she can start to criticise me for tardiness.
It is no business of hers if I decided to read backthread before finally hitting bed.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 12:15 pm

Rabz, sorry to hear of your brother’s coronary. Best wishes to him and family for full recovery.

Delta A
Delta A
November 9, 2021 12:16 pm

Awful news, Rabz.

Hope all goes well for him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 12:16 pm

Johanna has tried to ‘out’ my real identity on Catallaxy at least three times.

Thankfully she was unsuccessful.

Speaks volumes to me.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 12:18 pm

Chris get half the existing members to identify as women. Use their own weapons against them.

Errr… Given this is a rifle club we are discussing, maybe not? 🙁

#Phrasing

Crossie
Crossie
November 9, 2021 12:19 pm

We see on TV and on the internet the destruction of parts of the US, most notably California where crime is no longer crime and “homeless” do whatever they please. But this is not just a US problem, Western Europe is showing the same symptoms.

In 1996 we visited Berlin for the first time and loved all the sights including the newly liberated Brandenburg Gate. We visited Berlin again two years ago and were horrified by the “homeless” encampment in the park just opposite the old Reichstag building. The park was no longer landscaped or looked after, it had been abandoned by the city. Another city that is ceding its territory to anyone who wants it.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 9, 2021 12:19 pm

How close are the Greens to beating Snaggletooth. I’d even hand out how to throw your vote away for them. Its places like that where UAP can cause problems cause lets face it they’re not going to get up in mot places but they can sure wreck it for standing members. All the UAP need is a few on the crossbench in both houses. Only support the things that their own policy dictates and stuff up anything else that is contentious.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 12:19 pm

Rabz, that’s dreadful news about your brother. I hope he is alright.

Zipster
November 9, 2021 12:20 pm

Seriously. Obama thought that was a good deal.

Obama hates the US and Americans.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 9, 2021 12:21 pm

To do that, not Tom!

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 9, 2021 12:24 pm

Rabz

Any indication of how much damage? Quick action is the key to minimise damage.

Razey
Razey
November 9, 2021 12:27 pm

dover0beachsays:
November 9, 2021 at 12:25 pm
Wittgenstein
@Kukicat7
· 11h
The winner of the “million dollar vax lotto” in Australia was a Chinese woman who’s spending the money bringing her family in from China

This is too much.

LOL. Id rather go the other way.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 12:28 pm

Young electrician has just left here, fixing in lights to the new rooms. He had to move a small fridge behind which was a leftover poster from when I was handing out at elections for the Australian Conservatives. On a mucky green background it says: Sick of the Greens? Vote Australian Conservatives in the Senate. Oops, I though, da yoof might be offended. But no, I forgot this was the young man who when he was here last was wearing a Mossad t-shirt. We had a little chat about how everything in Oz was now going to hell in a handbasket. Refreshing.

Razey
Razey
November 9, 2021 12:30 pm

Anecdotal from Vic.

Trades are very thin on the ground. I suspect that the number who have rejected the clot shot is causing issues.

Zipster
November 9, 2021 12:34 pm

It’s become rather obvious that the government has lied about the extent of side effects from the jabs. If the numbers were as small as they claim, then the chance of knowing someone with serious adverse effects on this list of this size, would be vanishingly small.

Yet here we are, the ex-wife’s bf had a heart attack a few days after pfizer.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
November 9, 2021 12:34 pm

Of course the real agenda is simply to stop the proles being able to drive and ruthlessly restricting their freedom of movement.

Yep. No one can doubt this now.

20 years ago I said to work colleagues “the true reason that the Greens hate the private motor vehicle is that it gives people the freedom to go where they want, when they want.” They laughed derisively, I wonder if they’re still laughing now.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 12:35 pm

young man who when he was here last was wearing a Mossad t-shirt

Srsly cool.

I want a T-Shirt that sayeth

FRONT
TOWARD ENEMY

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 12:38 pm

@ Chris-

Say no more!

From Etsy:

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Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 9, 2021 12:41 pm

All the best to your brother Rabz.
Any warning signs?

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 12:42 pm

Yup, Rex, but that yellow rectangle a ‘star wars’ vibe…

If I made a subtitle

FRONT
TOWARD ENEMY
Australian Conservatives Circular Firing Squad’

it would probably sell a million.

Razey
Razey
November 9, 2021 12:44 pm

Zipstersays:
November 9, 2021 at 12:34 pm
It’s become rather obvious that the government has lied about the extent of side effects from the jabs. If the numbers were as small as they claim, then the chance of knowing someone with serious adverse effects on this list of this size, would be vanishingly small.

Yet here we are, the ex-wife’s bf had a heart attack a few days after pfizer.

Yep, know of a young man fading in an out of consciousness with myocarditis following the jab.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 12:45 pm

There was also a ‘Front Towards Asshole’ in my searches…

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Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 12:49 pm

There was also a ‘Front Towards Asshole’ in my searches…

LOL (American style)
I don’t wanna visual image of circular firing squad, no more.

Delta A
Delta A
November 9, 2021 12:54 pm

Yet here we are, the ex-wife’s bf had a heart attack a few days after pfizer.

My healthy 48yo nephew had a stroke following the double jab. He’s still paralyzed down the left side, but it’s early days, so hopefully he will recover fully.

It’s as Zippy said at 12.34 pm: it seems almost everyone knows someone who has had vax injury. OTOH, I knew of no-one with covid… apart from Cassie’s friend, and that’s a very remote connection.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 12:54 pm

The winner of the “million dollar vax lotto” in Australia was a Chinese woman who’s spending the money bringing her family in from China

They’re just laughing at us now.

They know we are powerless.

This is part of the “boot on a human face forever”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 12:56 pm

Well, I know that there are at least fourteen idiots on this site whom it would never be worth meeting.

There is that. 🙂

Zipster
November 9, 2021 12:58 pm

Who knew Mad Max movies were prophetic?

not prophetic, a roadmap.

Gab
Gab
November 9, 2021 12:59 pm

It’s as Zippy said at 12.34 pm: it seems almost everyone knows someone who has had vax injury. OTOH, I knew of no-one with covid… apart from Cassie’s friend, and that’s a very remote connection.

This is true for me. Three people I knew quite well now dead after the jab. All in good health beforehand.
Don’t know anyone who has or had the virus.

Kneel
Kneel
November 9, 2021 1:02 pm

” Chris get half the existing members to identify as women. Use their own weapons against them.

Errr… Given this is a rifle club we are discussing, maybe not? ?

#Phrasing”

Err, does that mean only rifles can join? 🙂

Identify as a trans-gender, gay, left-handed, midget, albino Eskimo – hey, that’s MY lived experience, don’t you dare criticise me! Work out the “intersectionality” of that one, then get back to me – I might have missed something…

Alternately, just tell them: “FUCK OFF – it’s our club, if you don’t like it, start your own!”

I’m leaning heavily to the latter…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 1:02 pm

Anyway, this ‘flash rat with a gold tooth’ has had quite enough for a while of some of the company here.

Hairy seriously objects to that re his wife.

It’s lunchtime. See y’all later.

Delta A
Delta A
November 9, 2021 1:04 pm

Brother, suffering sore throat etc, had a covid test yesterday. He asked the woman with the swab how he’d know if it was positive. She smiled and said, “You’ll have Channel 9 turning up on your doorstep.”

Even so, South Aussies are still required to wear masks everywhere, and there are plenty of Karens to ensure that they do.

Rorschach
Rorschach
November 9, 2021 1:05 pm

And in other grate news I’ve just heard my brother has had a coronary.

Hope all’s OK!

Pete of Perth
Pete of Perth
November 9, 2021 1:06 pm

Story in today’s West… nurse busted for pretending to administer the vaxxxx and issuing fake certs. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2021/11/08/nurse-fake-covid-vaccine/

Pete of Perth
Pete of Perth
November 9, 2021 1:09 pm

Damn… should have booked an appointment with her.

Vicki
November 9, 2021 1:10 pm

Story in today’s West… nurse busted for pretending to administer the vaxxxx and issuing fake certs. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2021/11/08/nurse-fake-covid-vaccine/

Personally, I think she is a heroine. Nurses appear to be the only medical practitioners with the guts to disclose the horrific vaccine injuries that they are seeing. This lady may be providing this decoy for money – but I doubt it. More than likely, it is a matter of attempting to save others.

Pete of Perth
Pete of Perth
November 9, 2021 1:10 pm

allegedly

rickw
rickw
November 9, 2021 1:14 pm

not prophetic, a roadmap.

Glances up from welding combine harvester fingers onto front of truck….

Kneel
Kneel
November 9, 2021 1:16 pm

From Arky’s thread with no comments:

“It’s Sunday. Go read the Bible.

Start with the new testament,”

Nah, start at the start!
Read Genesis, then recall that it was written before Darwin, Gallileo, etc etc.
No evolutionary theory, no idea of stellar evolution etc etc.
“… and God said ‘Let there be light!’” – sounds like a big bang theory, eh?
“… separated the land from the water…” – sounds like standard planetary evolution theory for Earth, eh?
etc etc
It’s not hard to imagine someone 5,000 years ago being shown (as a divine vision, or by aliens – as you desire) a vision of the origins of the universe and the evolution of life on Earth as per a 30-90 minute documentary, and then writing Genesis. Pretty amazing coincidence, if that is what you think it is, isn’t it? Didn’t notice that infinite series of monkeys banging away on the keyboards, so that explanation seems somewhat unlikely.
Go on – read it and THINK. Pretty amazing (or scary, as you please).

God is a very clever fellow, isn’t He?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 9, 2021 1:19 pm

Terrorist bid for freedom fails in ‘unanimous’ decision

Angelica Snowden
Journalist
@ang3snowden
7 minutes ago November 9, 2021

Terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika has lost his bid to overturn a court decision keeping him behind bars.

Last year Benbrika, who has previously plotted attacks on Melbourne’s Crown Casino and the MCG on grand final day, last year finished serving a 15 year sentence for being the leader of Australia’s largest terrorist network.

But in December Victorian Supreme Court justice Andrew Tinney ruled Benbrika posed an “unacceptable risk” to the community should he be released and ordered he remain in jail until 2023 under a community detention order.

On Tuesday, the court ruled Benbrika’s appeal to overturn that order was dismissed.

“It is the unanimous view of the court that this appeal should be dismissed,” the court heard.

Benbrika’s lawyer Dan Star argued in October specific offences that made the terrorist an unacceptable risk should have been identified.

rickw
rickw
November 9, 2021 1:20 pm

It’s become rather obvious that the government has lied about the extent of side effects from the jabs.

Number of Doctors and Nurses prepared to walk from their jobs over getting vaccinated is a pretty clear indicator that there is a massive fucking problem with vax injuries.

Eyrie
Eyrie
November 9, 2021 1:20 pm

It’s become rather obvious that the government has lied about the extent of side effects from the jabs. If the numbers were as small as they claim, then the chance of knowing someone with serious adverse effects on this list of this size, would be vanishingly small.

Zipster, I was thinking exactly that this morning, yet here we are.

Roger
Roger
November 9, 2021 1:21 pm

KRudd’s policy of requiring 75% (or whatever) to change leaders could cost the Liars another election. Maybe you could argue for it where the incumbent had won a general election, in Opposition it’s madness.

Yes, well…it was a KRudd idea. He had a lot of them, all cheered on by the press at the time.

Slim Cognito
Slim Cognito
November 9, 2021 1:22 pm

the chance of knowing someone with serious adverse effects on this list of this size, would be vanishingly small.

I personally know someone with serious adverse side effects and it’s starting to look like everyone else does too.

Vicki
November 9, 2021 1:23 pm

Three people I knew quite well now dead after the jab. All in good health beforehand.
Don’t know anyone who has or had the virus

.

Would be interesting to do a survey on this blog.

A 60 year old in the next street to our house in Sydney was one of the first COVOD infected to die in Australia. Re vax adverse events: 1) mother of our grandson’s friend was one of the first AZ deaths 2) a friend’s daughter-in-law had pregnancy aborted due to severe deformities of baby (though they would not “connect the dots”)3) a 70 year old friend in Sydney now has deep vein thrombosis after vax.

So, I guess, 3 to 1 vaccine is more deadly than the virus.

Sadly, I think there are more “on the way” in our circle, as only this morning a 70 year old Sydney friend (vaxed) reported a mysterious illness not yet solved.

None in our area of NSW Central Tablelands that we know of……but I know that nurses in some rural areas are reporting a flood of patients in emergency – & not for rural accidents.

rickw
rickw
November 9, 2021 1:23 pm

They know we are powerless.

We’re not powerless, we’ve just had the decency to not exercise that power thus far.

P
P
November 9, 2021 1:27 pm

In reply to TheLastRefuge tweet – 31m
Another friend of Hillary was suicided.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:28 pm

You’re right, rickw. I allowed my sadness to rule my typing fingers.

Rabz
November 9, 2021 1:29 pm

Thanks all for the concern, he’s having a stent put in this afternoon, which is better news than originally expected, I was worried he’d need some major open heart work.

Rorschach
Rorschach
November 9, 2021 1:30 pm

So we see it makes no difference if there are zero cases or 1000 cases: the ‘vaccine’ passport and this new system of control was always the purpose.

Yes … And it is too late to do anything about it. Craig Kelly and co can rant and rave as much as he likes. He will NEVER have the numbers to rescind … You already need the vaxx passport to travel interstate, and it has been shown that Lib or Labor – these will be enforced. [There will always be COVID hotspot somewhere].

And try travelling overseas without one!

The social media and Google now can not only tap into general areas where we are – but actual shops we list (and for how long). With medicare (where you must provide bank acct details) they can start on building a financial profile on you.

Total control of your existence … cancellable at a moments notice. The great reset is here.

Just wait till they start allocating carbon miles to the Vaxx P/Port!

Gab
Gab
November 9, 2021 1:30 pm

Story in today’s West… nurse busted for pretending to administer the vaxxxx and issuing fake certs.

It would be quite easy to fake it, so I can only guess that some Karen saw the nurse and dobbed her in or a patient did.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 9, 2021 1:33 pm

I personally know someone with serious adverse side effects …

+2
1. Dead (clots)
2, Anaphylactic

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 9, 2021 1:38 pm

The Palacechook is going to reward me for good behaviour by prohibiting me from dining out, going to the football, or having a beer with my sons.

The police have been tasked to keep us flying straight.

Bless you ma’am.
No, really.

(Not sure how well this is going to play in regional Queensland.)

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:39 pm

I personally know someone with serious adverse side effects …

1. Father with huge autoimmune and inflammation problems
2. Daughter hospitalised due to reaction

Both AZ

Rorschach
Rorschach
November 9, 2021 1:40 pm

Number of Doctors and Nurses prepared to walk from their jobs over getting vaccinated is a pretty clear indicator that there is a massive fucking problem with vax injuries.

If they can stay they should… I would suggest to them however they they form a club and report the vaccine injured numbers. Prob won’t be difficult to centralise a reporting nexus that will put up a pretty graphic showing numbers and ages of those ill from the vax.

The nexus however should be based in a country where Aust cops don’t have jurisdiction. I can well imagine DanTheDick’s goons busting down the door and carting all the electronic devices away under some pretext or other.

I’m happy to tweet and retweet the graphics!

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 9, 2021 1:42 pm

(Not sure how well this is going to play in regional Queensland.)

Barcaldine ? Normanton? Whitsundays ? Bourke?

There are still many unsafe places in QLD, not too far out of town.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:43 pm

I thought you said you were a proud AZ man, Faustus.

When Queensland hits the target of 80% double dose, unvaccinated people will be unable to:

Visit vulnerable settings, including hospitals, residential aged care, disability care accommodation, and prisons. There will be some exceptions for medical treatment, end-of-life visits, childbirth and emergency situations.
Attend hospitality venues such as hotels, pubs, clubs, taverns, bars, restaurants or cafes.
Attend indoor entertainment venues such as nightclubs, live music venues, karaoke bars, concerts, theatres or cinemas.
Attend outdoor entertainment activities such as sporting stadiums or theme parks.
Attend festivals – either indoor or outdoor – such as musical festivals, folk festivals or arts festivals.
Attend Queensland Government owned galleries, museums or libraries.

It’s an admission that the “vaccines” don’t work.

Also, how can an unvaccinated expectant mother be prohibited from attending the birth?

Must be some Deep Science in that one.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:44 pm

Oh. I see. It’s an exception.

Just as well.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 9, 2021 1:45 pm

And try travelling overseas without one!

There are options… still.
It depends on an airline and the destination country.
This though doesn’t apply to tourism (most likely).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 9, 2021 1:47 pm

I thought you said you were a proud AZ man, Faustus.

I am.
For good and necessary reasons.

My sons are not.

Baba
Baba
November 9, 2021 1:47 pm

twostixsays:
November 9, 2021 at 11:48 am
From The Orwellstralian:

Breaking: Palaszczuk announces freedoms for Queenslanders.

The ‘New Freedoms’? We’re being ‘given’?

As soon as tomorrow people won’t be allowed to go to pubs, clubs, hospitals, gallery, stadiums, libraries without being vaccinated.

These restrictions aren’t directed at the unvaxxed. We knew this was coming. This policy is directed at the vaccinated.

“See what we can do? Don’t disappoint us when we tell you your booster shot is due.”

Vicki
November 9, 2021 1:48 pm

Eyre, I put my faith in the Israelis getting it right after trying everything along the way. The others are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.

Normally I would, too. Love Israel & Israelis – visited on my own one Christmas many, many years ago, hoping for an “epiphany.” At that time, Israelis reminded me a lot of Aussies – self-reliant, loved their land, resourceful, prescient and confidant.

What on earth happened in this pandemic when both nations succumbed to coercion to be vaccinated, having the highest vax numbers in the world???

Maybe, maybe the Israelis will “own” their mistake. But I am all too certain that Australians will not – at least I have not seen a sign that many even actually understand anything about the virus at all.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:49 pm

I remembered, because the description was so amusing. It made me smile in a sea of troubles.

Arky
November 9, 2021 1:50 pm

Putting up a vaxx reactions thyreed.
Wait.

Cassie of Sydney
November 9, 2021 1:50 pm

“I knew of no-one with covid… apart from Cassie’s friend, and that’s a very remote connection.”

Yes, my friend had Covid and all he experienced was a very bad headache for a day….and that was it. However I think he might have what is called “long Covid”….or maybe that’s just me being neurotic.

Anyway, he lurks here…..he might want to add his two bob’s worth.

dragnet
dragnet
November 9, 2021 1:54 pm

No, I don’t think that I have “Long Covid”.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 1:55 pm

I’ll pretend I didn’t see that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 9, 2021 1:56 pm

Lizzie is hairy objecting to flash, rat gold tooth or all of them or only because of fear of wife. I laugh cause every time I see that I think of ex chief minister of act, can’t think of her name, and I’m quite sure you’re nicer in any respect to her. But that wouldn’t be hard.

Cassie of Sydney
November 9, 2021 1:57 pm

“dragnetsays:
November 9, 2021 at 1:54 pm
No, I don’t think that I have “Long Covid”.”

LOL.

Arky
November 9, 2021 2:03 pm

Done.

Cassie of Sydney
November 9, 2021 2:03 pm

“and I’m quite sure you’re nicer in any respect to her. “

I’m lucky to know Lizzie very well. She is a very nice and decent person.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 9, 2021 2:04 pm

KRudd’s policy of requiring 75% (or whatever) to change leaders could cost the Liars another election. Maybe you could argue for it where the incumbent had won a general election, in Opposition it’s madness.

Yes, well…it was a KRudd idea. He had a lot of them, all cheered on by the press at the time.

Well, KRudd is Labor’s equivalent to Maol Trumble.

Neither of them formed in their party’s traditions but strange interlopers, like cuckoos or those species of moth where the larva has the size, shape, and emits the chemical signals of the ants’ nest where they are taken by the ants where they are nursed, fed and protected. Trumble and Rudd got their respective parties to cosset them while never taking on the nature of their hosts.

And when they reached maturity they didn’t care what happened to those hosts, wrecking the nests as they sought their own greatness. The pair of them were a disaster for their parties and the nation. Even now they are still searching for their moment, sure that it is out there somewhere just out of reach. And in the mean time they wreaking havoc.

KRudd has lumbered his party with a burdensome process to replace an ineffective leader – a measure brought in just to protect himself and screw everyone who follows.

Trumble is a bit different and in this way. He has managed to fill the party with ovine lightweights also at odds with their party’s traditions, and the party is also rotting from its leadership.

dragnet
dragnet
November 9, 2021 2:05 pm

I am still the only person I personally know who has had Covid apart from the pleasant chappies who were in my Covid Ward at St George Hospital, one of whom remained a Covid -sceptic.
By the same token I personally don’t know anyone in my family or social circle who has had an adverse reaction to the jabs so, wearing an empiricist hat, I remain somewhat agnostic.

Crossie
Crossie
November 9, 2021 2:08 pm

It’s as Zippy said at 12.34 pm: it seems almost everyone knows someone who has had vax injury. OTOH, I knew of no-one with covid… apart from Cassie’s friend, and that’s a very remote connection.

I know of three people. Younger daughter’s friend ended up in emergency when her platelet count became dangerously low only days after an AZ jab up on the north coast where that was all that was available.

Work colleague had ringing in the ears for weeks after AZ second jab, it eventually faded away.

Son-in-law complains of his worsening asthma after the second Pfizer jab plus numbness in one heel with occasional stabbing pain.

I know of only one person who had Covid, a friend’s daughter who works overseas.

Baba
Baba
November 9, 2021 2:09 pm

is “long covid” mostly a mental disease?
because it looks like “thinking you had covid” produces pretty much all the long term symptoms. having actual covid does not.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 9, 2021 2:12 pm

I have a BIL who had covid.
Stayed home for a couple of days and then went back to work. (medico)

I reckon the virus got bored and left him.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 9, 2021 2:18 pm

God is a very clever fellow, isn’t He?

All things small and horrible,
All creatures short and squat,
All things huge and hideous,
The lord God made the lot.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 9, 2021 2:21 pm

Bogey in a buoyant and positive mood today.

Hi bogey! Alcohol works for me.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 9, 2021 2:24 pm

Gee whiz Arky thanks!
Everyone- WE’RE ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON ARKY’S NEW THREAD!!!!
Don’t anyone disappoint him with ambiguous emojis or whatever.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 9, 2021 2:31 pm

Art gone wild.

Thank you, Hunter!

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 2:33 pm

Thank you, Hunter!

Very funny.

Bushkid
Bushkid
November 9, 2021 2:40 pm

calli says:
November 9, 2021 at 11:54 am
Now it’s Queensland’s turn for punishment. I am just so sorry that you have to go through it all too.

All for absolutely nothing.

We’ve been expecting it Calli, we were just waiting on the date and the details. Nobody with any cognitive ability could have expected we’d be left alone.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 2:41 pm

Art is the most IRRRRRITATING market.
Speaking as the partner (and lifetime funding endowment) of a professional artist.

The scarcest, hardest thing to hunt in art is an infectious red dot.
And then just as a few red dots start to spread, some prick mandates that SMSFs cannot buy artworks as investments which are displayed. BAM the gallery industry goes bankrupt, top artists and gallery staff fall back on unemployment. And us buyers and funders miss out on endless Friday night openings wine and cheese.
That WAPO link above was about big name art, for which big name auction houses are suitable for secondary sales (with a billion percent commission and four billion percent buyer’s premium).
Try and find a way to resell a mere $7K or $30K artwork. Not quite as liquid as Bitcoins.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 9, 2021 2:42 pm

Hi bogey! Alcohol works for me.

Hi, ir.

It’s cigars keep me sunny, rambler.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 2:43 pm

WSJ, not WAPO
On a Culture Wars note, I loved Christopher Allen in the OZ taking a nice, relaxing dump on the buying policies of the NGA.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 9, 2021 2:45 pm

incoherent ramblersays:

November 9, 2021 at 1:33 pm

I personally know someone with serious adverse side effects …

+2
1. Dead (clots)
2, Anaphylactic

Yeah.
I am wondering about my bee sting reaction.
I mean, no doubt the bee sting triggered it.
And also (all jokes aside), alcohol mixed with anti-histamines is not helpful.
But would it have been as bad without the vax?
Who knows?
Look, it wasn’t what I’d call serious but my breathing did get a little laboured.
The hospital rang back this morning and said I could pick ip an epi-pen. They were going to give me one to take home on Sunday as a precaution, but they had run out of the home use ones.
FMD.
What next?
Running out of Aspirin?

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 9, 2021 2:59 pm

They were going to give me one to take home on Sunday as a precaution

The bastards could have sent you home with some replacement alcohol and anti-histamines.

Surely they ones you took would have worn off by the time you got out of ER.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 3:00 pm

I think thats most unfair. Grigory is clearly as intelligent and switched-on as almost any of the highly-respected Cats around, …

Chris, are you, or have you ever been, a sock?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 3:03 pm

May have overdone the commas there. Please feel free to insert an em dash as required.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 9, 2021 3:08 pm

Not particularly surprising that few Australians have a personal contact with Nosferaflu.

It’s strictly a numbers game.
Diagnosed Covid cases as % of population:

Australia = 0.5%
Ireland = 9%
France = 12%
US = 14%
UK = 15%

Plus, in Australia the cases have been strongly clustered on schools, care homes, and low-fuck-given suburbs.

However this will all change as the Rona becomes endemic.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 3:10 pm

Johanna has tried to ‘out’ my real identity on Catallaxy at least three times.

You mean you are not Hyacinth Bucket?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 9, 2021 3:13 pm

They were going to give me one to take home on Sunday as a precaution, but they had run out of the home use ones.

Bit of triaging there.

Nurse: We’ve only got three epi-pens left.

Doctor: Fuck him, then. He comes in here stinking of cheap rosé…

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 3:16 pm

I only refill my epi pen with Shiraz.

Woolfe
Woolfe
November 9, 2021 3:17 pm

My wife reported her side effects to nurse Rached who nonchalantly told her 1:5 have bad reactions

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 3:19 pm

Chris, are you, or have you ever been, a sock?

Yes, back in the days of the Matilda message board (around 1999-2000?) I made a sock called Replicator, who argued FOR gun control instead of my usual criticism of the the bad effects of badly-designed culture-war gun laws.
It drove my side nuts, having to argue against a gun control proponent who had killed his own meat animals.

As far as the scent of formaldehyde, no I have never been one of Grigs’ skinsuits.

The Cats and Kittehs I see via their writings are people I greatly respect, and seeing them taking chunks out of each other’s fur really shits me. It degrades themselves more than the person they calumniate.

Woolfe
Woolfe
November 9, 2021 3:20 pm

Hey Wol fuck off, Arky can do what he wants. Maybe look up libertarian or go back to ABC.

Chris
Chris
November 9, 2021 3:24 pm

go back to ABC.

That’s what I’m talking about; cruel and unusual punishment.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 9, 2021 3:32 pm

FMD.
What next?
Running out of Aspirin?

They do expire and hospitals are not known for watching use by dates. Eg A cleaner at one of Queensland’s Most Beloved Tourist icons, stabbed himself on a discarded death adder fang (the adder had been removed from the enclosure first) – taken straight to Tweed Heads hospital ” oh **** ALL our anti venin is ood” quick phone call to Gold Coast Hospital to get some from there “*** ALL our anti venin is also out of date”, Beenleigh – ditto. Eventually some was sourced from Logan Hospital.

Note ALL means for every single snake they had stock for !

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Diogenessays:
November 9, 2021 at 3:32 pm

They do expire and hospitals are not known for watching use by dates.
… Tweed Heads hospital ” oh **** ALL our anti venin is ood”
… Gold Coast Hospital to get some from there “*** ALL our anti venin is also out of date”
… Beenleigh – ditto.
…Eventually some was sourced from Logan Hospital.

Note ALL means for every single snake they had stock for !

Anyone want to explain what all those clerical staff in the Qld Health system are there for?

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 9, 2021 3:37 pm

Not particularly surprising that few Australians have a personal contact with Nosferaflu.

Nobody expects Nosferatu!

Our chief weapons are hotel quarantine, Chairman Dan, and lockdowns R Us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 3:45 pm

The Cats and Kittehs I see via their writings are people I greatly respect, and seeing them taking chunks out of each other’s fur really shits m

Keeps things interesting. I don’t lose much sleep over it.

Winston Smith
November 9, 2021 3:51 pm

Diogenes:
The vaccines are quite expensive in some cases – IIRC, Redback was cheap at about $400 a vial, while the Polyvalent used for when the snake wasn’t identified but patient was symptomatic was about $30,000 per vial. (It’s been 7 years since I last saw a price
So I can understand why the supplies are a bit short – but having no in-date stock suggests poor ordering and stock control.
The Tweed Hospital is a Level 5 Regional Base Hospital and really should have this kind of medication in stock.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Nanny Pallachook has decreed:
Be vaxxed or lose your job, business, civic rights. I suppose I’ll have to mandate it for the staff.

This will not be well received.

The First Nations staff in particular will not take it well. The vaxx take-up rate among their demographic here is about 1% and there’s some very strong objection to it.

Zipster
November 9, 2021 4:04 pm

The Cats and Kittehs I see via their writings are people I greatly respect, and seeing them taking chunks out of each other’s fur really shits m

just goes to show its not an echo chamber like leftoids hangouts

Zipster
November 9, 2021 4:07 pm

paywalled

It runs to 12,000 words, extols President Xi as China’s “man of action” who loves his people as much as his own mother and has been published days before his third term in power is expected to be rubber-stamped.

As if preparing the ground for what is to come, the six-chapter official tribute to Xi, released by the state news agency Xinhau, lauds his record as the leader of a great power who has defeated a pandemic, bested foreign rivals and dragged China into the 21st century, just as the 200-member inner circle of the Communist Party meets to discuss the president’s record and recommend that he remains for another five years.

Critics have said that the work cements a personality cult at the top of Chinese politics and paves the way for Xi, who took power in 2012, to become a “forever president” and dictator for life. China’s leaders traditionally served two five-year terms. Xi altered the constitution in 2018 to remove the limit.

The tribute says that the president, 68, is “a man of determination and action, a man of profound thoughts and feelings, a man who inherited a legacy but dares to innovate and a man who has forward-looking vision and is committed to working tirelessly”, adding that having realised his first goal of building a “prosperous society” he will now focus on his second: that of “national revival”.

The first chapter, called “The party general secretary who loves the masses as he loves his parents”, states: “No matter what his position, Xi Jinping effortlessly mingles with the masses . . . he stands in the rain to have his pictures taken with workers . . . he worries about the sorting of rubbish in his neighbourhood.”

Roger
Roger
November 9, 2021 4:09 pm

Anyone want to explain what all those clerical staff in the Qld Health system are there for?

To vote Labor out of gratitude for a job.

Anyway, it’s be a nurse’s job to check expiry dates.

Roger
Roger
November 9, 2021 4:12 pm

Not particularly surprising that few Australians have a personal contact with Nosferaflu.

Australia = 0.5%

It stalks us stealthily, biding its time.

Wicked beast.

shatterzzz
November 9, 2021 4:14 pm

How to waste an hour! .. at a loose end, blogged out! .. so decided a clean-up under my bed was several years late .. out all that stuff came .. including (I do worry about me , sometimes, LOL!)several dozen, assorted, Soccer World Cup magazines dating right back to SPAIN 1982 .. several years of Western Sydney Wanderers game-day, freebie, magazines .. almost every issue of MILITARY ILLUSTRATED magazine over 150 issues covering its 1st 6 years (1986 thru 1994) .. several, forgotten, Grandees burfday/Xmas prezzies ( kids now too old for them duuuh!) ……
end result .. couldn’t come up with a reason to toss any of it sooooo back it all went .. DUST FREE .. LOL!

shatterzzz
November 9, 2021 4:19 pm

The First Nations staff in particular will not take it well. The vaxx take-up rate among their demographic here is about 1% and there’s some very strong objection to it.

Not to worry not even the PalaceChook would dare enforce the, everyone, rules on any member of the 251s

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 9, 2021 4:23 pm

Salvatore

Anyone want to explain what all those clerical staff in the Qld Health system are there for?

To vote reliably for Labor?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 9, 2021 4:25 pm

Expect the Covid as the next Stolen Generation stories to start appearing soon.

#closethecovidgap

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 9, 2021 4:25 pm

Roger

Snap!

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 9, 2021 4:26 pm

Not to worry not even the PalaceChook would dare enforce the, everyone, rules on any member of the 251s

Big outbreak in Moree after a recent funeral. I’m guessing no one was game to enforce any limits on mourners.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
November 9, 2021 4:46 pm

Brought an Australian ( the paper not the leetle girl) very mixed bag.
They have a no- nothing extolling the government just reducing emissions standards every year on vehicles as the way to wellville ( electric cars). That way they don’t have to ban anything it just happens “ naturally”.

FFS there are some mouth breathing mongs you wouldn’t pisson if they were on fire.
Who pays for them to eat?

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
November 9, 2021 4:49 pm

Also a bit on the USN naming a ship after an ex navy homo Harvey Milk…

In what I’m sure is unintended irony it’s an oiler.
That’s right, the gay mans ship is full of lube.

Well played forces of darkness. Well played.

duncanm
duncanm
November 9, 2021 4:55 pm

Areff in the ‘don’t clutter the vax reaction thread’ re: ivermectin in Africa.

areffsays:
November 9, 2021 at 3:06 pm
Slightly off topic but related:
I was looking for references to stats on COVID cases in equatorial Africa and found a WHO page that sings the praises of ivermectin use in Guinea, where total COVID deaths so far are under 180.

See COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma.

There is a very strong correlation between (lack of covid) cases and participation in the WHO sponsored African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:04 pm

Arky should put back my comment re the relative lack of Covid cases in Australia, a fact which is relevant to very few people having come across anyone with Covid but almost the whole population having some experience of the Vaxx and any after effects. Attention is focussed pretty much one way.

His thread his rules, I guess. It’s great when you are allowed (how come?) to make rules here. Authoritarian deadshit y’are, Arks. So I am making my observation again here.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 9, 2021 5:08 pm

Big outbreak in Moree after a recent funeral. I’m guessing no one was game to enforce any limits on mourners.

The latest is that it’s “disrespectful” to claim that Covid is spread at funerals…..

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:12 pm

Latest Speccie has a two-pager on net-zero fifty – a ‘for’ and ‘against’.
The ‘for’ gets three columns of questionable holy-science guff, the ‘against’ two columns of what is a policy argument (it’s unnecessary and unaffordable) rather than a scientific one.

I doubt if we will ever see the science properly argued.

We are going to be in this nightmare for the rest of my lifetime and paying for it still in my grandchildrens’. And beyond.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 9, 2021 5:13 pm

Arky should put back my comment re the relative lack of Covid cases in Australia, a fact which is relevant to very few people having come across anyone with Covid but almost the whole population having some experience of the Vaxx and any after effects. Attention is focussed pretty much one way.

Quite right to point it out, Lizzie. A collection of anecdotes is interesting, but without attention to the sample size it’s not very informative. It isn’t the least surprising that lots of ppl here know of bad side effects from the vax but don’t know anyone who’s had WuFlu. Around 90% vaccination rates and 0.5% infection rates guarantees that.

If Arky doesn’t want your comment he’s not being entirely honest.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:14 pm

Lizzie, I simply put in the negative effects from all the people I know. If I’d put in the “no effects” the length of the tale would have had me run out of town. Brevity was the stipulation.

I know of zero cases of Covid at first hand – there were some people over at one of the villages who were on the Ruby Princess who had it, plus a boy down the street who was whisked away. That’s it for the district, though I’m hardly tuned in despite Stitch n’ Bitch.

I should have put in my other daughter who had the Pfizer – tired out for a couple of days.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 9, 2021 5:16 pm

Details about the troubled early years of the man accused of kidnapping Cleo Smith have emerged in an audiotape that reveals he was removed from his mother’s care at a young age.

Penny Walker, a respected member of the Indigenous community, said she took Terence Darrell Kelly under her wing when he was just two years old.

During a 2019 oral history interview with Denmark-based photographer Nic Duncan, Ms Walker spoke about how a “little boy with jet black curly hair” ended up in her care in 1987.

Born in 1943, Ms Walker was 44 years old when she took him in and called him Terry.

In the interview, she said she had been a heavy drinker in her youth and that she was a domestic violence victim. She said her own six biological children had been taken from her.

News.com

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:17 pm

Also, it’s Personal vaxx stories. To me, “personal” means me and my closest, closest relations and friends.

Being an off the scale introvert, that’s a big enough stretch!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 9, 2021 5:18 pm

Note ALL means for every single snake they had stock for !

Diogenes, I thought they had a single all purpose anti-venene for all Aussie snakes now?
Does the stuff just fucking become useless overnight?
I doubt it.
Some poor schmuck writhing in agony in AED and dying of deaf adder bite and Nurse Karen says “Oh, no, we can’t give him the anti-v because it time-exed last week”.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:21 pm

the troubled early years

But of course!

Anyone who pinches a child would have to be “troubled”. There will always be something in someone’s background to trigger such a crime.

Why is it then that so many other people with hideous childhoods refrain from committing heinous crimes? It’s a mystery.

Bons
November 9, 2021 5:22 pm

Yes off-farm is the plan for inheritance and retirement. Although my daughter insists on paying me a wage for my feeble efforts on the farm.
In the early 2000’s Elders directed us towards some defunct dairy land with excellent creek flats. After a huge battle with the Numbers type local council we obtained approval for improved pasture and set up a cattle fattening operation.
It worked out well, daughter is a worker so she took on the wheat and sheep. Son is more cerebal and a dreamer so he was happy with the cattle.
Amusingly, daughter has made a bob out of the WuFlu. She had a little operation managed by a niece, who is a landscaper, on a small bit of inherited land near Shepparton. They bred ponies to sell to city idiots with daughters. With Dan’s lockdowns the ponies couldn’t be cared for in the near city clubs and paddocks and so a fair number came back to be cared for at obscene prices.

JMH
JMH
November 9, 2021 5:23 pm

Denis Muller is a leading expert on media ethics and worked as a journalist for 27 years, including as assistant editor at the Sydney Morning Herald and associate editor at the Age.

Since 1995, he has conducted independent social and policy research across education, health, environment and media fields. Dr Muller teaches media ethics for the Master of Journalism at Melbourne University and is the author of Media Ethics and Disasters and Journalism Ethics for the Digital Age. Denis is an Honorary Fellow at the Centre for Advancing Journalism.

https://www.wheelercentre.com/people/denis-muller
(My bold)

God almighty! Has anyone had the misfortune of listening to this – um – “leading” media expert? ABC Rural (Vic) features this ‘unbiased expert’ every Tuesday.

I don’t expect many Victorians monitor ABC rural – but I do! He constantly eviscerates MSM (which needs it, nonetheless – but by competent critics.) Hilariously, he remains oblivious to his own hypocrisy when it comes to the ABC. I laugh. Then I have to switch off.

He’s absolutely astounding. Muller seems completely incapable of the most basic of research. In his eyes facts are irrelevant. No wonder this country is so fucked. This thing has weekly ABC airtime to release his poisonous darts. But let’s face it – luckily, only about 10% of the gullible are lapping at his dish!

Eyrie
Eyrie
November 9, 2021 5:28 pm

Quite right to point it out, Lizzie. A collection of anecdotes is interesting, but without attention to the sample size it’s not very informative

Not exactly the point. Side effects are allegedly “rare” so how come so many here have personally experienced them or know people who have?

JMH
JMH
November 9, 2021 5:28 pm

Forget the bold. Highlighting the name “Denis Muller” failed.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:28 pm

Does the stuff just fucking become useless overnight?

No it does not. A lot of expired or near expired stuff gets shipped off to the third world and is used there. If it wasn’t they couldn’t afford to treat the sick.

As for anti-venom, I imagine it would be specific to species and sub-species depending on the active pathogen. Interesting subject to look up. Unless one of our many lurkers is a, dare I say it, snake oil salesman. 😀

Gab
Gab
November 9, 2021 5:30 pm

Covid by the numbers for Australia. Quick, everyone go get your jabs and your booster jabs!!

https://spectator.com.au/2021/11/just-the-facts-coronavirus-in-australia-by-the-numbers-updated/

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:30 pm

Not exactly the point. Side effects are allegedly “rare” so how come so many here have personally experienced them or know people who have?

Any evidence to show the official claim is that side effects are “rare”? In fact the opposite is the case where we’ve been told (officially) there are some very frequent and consistent side effects.

Show evidence for the claim for fuck right off, Champ.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 5:31 pm

Media Ethics and Disasters

Snork.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Bonssays:
November 9, 2021 at 5:22 pm

… After a huge battle with the Numbers type local council we obtained approval for improved pasture and set up a cattle fattening operation….

Huh? You have to ask the council for permission to…… plant grass seed… on a… farm?

bespoke
bespoke
November 9, 2021 5:33 pm

Why is it then that so many other people with hideous childhoods refrain from committing heinous crimes? It’s a mystery.

No it’s not.

Dot
Dot
November 9, 2021 5:33 pm

Look, it wasn’t what I’d call serious but my breathing did get a little laboured.
The hospital rang back this morning and said I could pick ip an epi-pen. They were going to give me one to take home on Sunday as a precaution, but they had run out of the home use ones.
FMD.
What next?
Running out of Aspirin?

The recent guidelines written by the Commonwealth regarding COVID vaccines and severe allergic reactions state that anaphylaxis can be dealt with by just waiting half an hour in medical care.

…what about delayed reactions?

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 9, 2021 5:33 pm

The Hon. Greg Hunt MP, Minister for Health: No, no, it’s private. It’s your- it’s your medical record and it’s nobody else’s.

So how can anyone actually check my totally legitimate “vaccine certificate”? I’m assuming bar staff or the barber can’t do diddly squat.

I sent off the “Medicare Privacy” form thingy on the advice of a Cat a month or so back. I’m assuming that a the Plod can’t check it either? And why would they?

I mean, what are they going to do? Get a court order or something? They would have to be pretty damn suspicious to go that far.

I suspect those miscreants out there with incredibly lifelike forgeries are in little danger (not me of course). Getting caught selling fakes on the internet or in dark alleyways might be a another matter.

JMH
JMH
November 9, 2021 5:35 pm

Zipstersays:
November 9, 2021 at 4:04 pm
The Cats and Kittehs I see via their writings are people I greatly respect, and seeing them taking chunks out of each other’s fur really shits m

just goes to show its not an echo chamber like leftoids hangouts

I have a scroll function – and I use it. Pity others cannot find it!

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:35 pm

Bespoke, that was dripping in /sarc.

I know it isn’t a mystery.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 9, 2021 5:36 pm

What a nice farm story Bons.
I’ve just finished shearing a dozen fly blown lambs ahead of the shearers tomorrow.
I’m a touch queasy. A late dinner.

Gab
Gab
November 9, 2021 5:36 pm

Number of reports (cases): 76248

Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 75005

Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 622

To Oct 26th.

https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-report.aspx

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 5:37 pm

As for anti-venom, I imagine it would be specific to species and sub-species depending on the active pathogen.

As I understand it, most Australian snake venoms are a mix of haemotoxins and myotoxins- Basically designed to either crash out your clotting factors and cause you to bleed to death, or crash-coagulate you.

The sole outlier is the Death Adder, which uses straight neurotoxins (treatable with with medications like atropine if antivenom is not readily available).

I think most antivenoms are based on purified horse antibodies- Literally the critter gets jabbed with a very low dose of snake venom, and the antibodies it generates are harvested out of its blood.

JMH
JMH
November 9, 2021 5:40 pm

callisays:
November 9, 2021 at 5:28 pm
Does the stuff just fucking become useless overnight?

No it does not. A lot of expired or near expired stuff gets shipped off to the third world and is used there. If it wasn’t they couldn’t afford to treat the sick.

As for anti-venom, I imagine it would be specific to species and sub-species depending on the active pathogen. Interesting subject to look up. Unless one of our many lurkers is a, dare I say it, snake oil salesman. ?

LOL. Just ask your Vet when you take an animal in with suspected snake bite. Around $900 anti venom for stuff you KNOW is past its use-by date!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 9, 2021 5:40 pm

Not exactly the point. Side effects are allegedly “rare” so how come so many here have personally experienced them or know people who have?

If you know a hundred ppl to talk to and the infection rate for WuFlu is 0.5%, then you can expect to know one person who has had it half the time. If the vaccination rate is 90%, you can expect to know 90 ppl who’ve been vaxed. If the side effects are one in ten, you’ll know 9 ppl who’ve had some. I don’t know anyone who has had any side effects, but didn’t bother to tell Arky.

There’s some reason to conjecture that side effects are more common than the gummint will admit, but hey, when did anyone trust government statistics?

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:41 pm

Hmmmm…atropine.

I have an excellent collection of Brugmansia cvs. I’m safe from the death adder! Phew!

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 9, 2021 5:43 pm

Huh? You have to ask the council for permission to…… plant grass seed… on a… farm?

Prolly a little more complicated than that.

Any sort of livestock-rearing or feeding enterprise attracts all manner of burraucratic and practical hurdles.

Environmental impact planning and so forth nowadays demands you consider thing like noise and odour (Don’t laugh- Feedlots, piggeries and chook farms are forever copping complaints cos Treechangers don’t know that thise cute farm animals belch, bray, fart and shit. And it smells.

And that’s on top of issues like erosion from basic critter pathfinding and wearing tracks into favourite feeding and watering spaces, fouling of said watering spaces, denuding or knocking over trees and so forth, etc.

And you need to satisfy State (and also potentially Commonwealth) planning and legislative requirements, in addition to Council…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:43 pm

Johanna has tried to ‘out’ my real identity on Catallaxy at least three times.

You mean you are not Hyacinth Bucket?

No. Definitely not, Bear, and the rest of you. That is like seeking an identity in the down-to-earth Princess Anne with the woke and self-pitying Meghan Markle. A completely unthinkable comparitor: the sort of analogy only someone as clumsy and envious as Johanna could make with the illiteracy of her ‘nouveau riche’ tag on me. She obviously has no idea at all of life in this neck of the woods. And Leigh Lowe before he saw sense and dropped that particular piece of double-shuffle schtick with the unlamented Nick.

Also, while I am in general a tolerant soul full of the joy of life (hey, I’ve even read and practiced that 70’s stuff, “The Joy of Sex”), there are times when I call a spade a spade, a fool a wittering quarter-brain and it is wise not to cross me too far.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 9, 2021 5:43 pm

Lady Cats seem understandably miserable so here’s a baby photo.
And here’s dad on the back fence a short time later.
I think kid was trying to hide from my ugly visage visible through entrance of palatial Cafe penthouse.

struth
struth
November 9, 2021 5:44 pm

Arky should put back my comment re the relative lack of Covid cases in Australia, a fact which is relevant to very few people having come across anyone with Covid but almost the whole population having some experience of the Vaxx and any after effects. Attention is focussed pretty much one way.

His thread his rules, I guess. It’s great when you are allowed (how come?) to make rules here. Authoritarian deadshit y’are, Arks. So I am making my observation again here.

There’s been thousands and thousands of covid cases in Australia.
You can’t “come across them” because they are all asymptomatic, you great wallies.
Or they had a cold. The sniffles.
That bright thing you’re looking at is a gaslight.

You can’t see them, because they are all well and were well when they found they had it by a socialist test kit “PCR” Propaganda Cancelling Reality test.

Over the last two years there’s been thousands of positives…………
And you never come across them and they never spread because….. tyranny….
Think about it ladies.
You tend to let emotion cloud clear thinking.
This female trait was called Hysterics by the ancient Greeks.
Hairy should have been more of a strength to you, but he fell for the bullshit too.

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:44 pm

I don’t know anyone who has had any side effects, but didn’t bother to tell Arky.

That’s funny because I’d say 90% of the folks I know who have had the shots have had small or magnified side effects like sore arm, feverish, sore joints and muscles. It may not be 90% but it’s freaking high.

There’s some reason to conjecture that side effects are more common than the gummint will admit, but hey, when did anyone trust government statistics?

There’s been no conjecture as there’s not been any real controversy about side effects of the type I am referring to. Side effects are very common.

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:49 pm

slight correction to the last sentence.

Side effects have been reported to be very common.

google side effects for AZ and this comes up.

Common side effects after COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca include: pain, swelling, tenderness, redness or itching at the injection site. tiredness. headache.30 July 2021

The government website on the AZ describes common side effects. There’s been no conspiracy to hide this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/approved-vaccines/astrazeneca

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:49 pm

And you need to satisfy State (and also potentially Commonwealth) planning and legislative requirements, in addition to Council…

Our Mossad electrician lad was getting cross about this today – all of the new ‘safety’ regulations – as he struggled with his boss’s earlier rewiring of one of our external motorised blinds to a dimmer switch that also lit up an external light he was replacing. We only use if via the remote, we apologised.

No worries, he says, rewiring it as before.

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:52 pm

You can’t “come across them” because they are all asymptomatic, you great wallies.

That’s just bullshit. There are reported cases and the government has also done random antibody testing through the population which gives them a reasonable estimate of reported and asymptomatic. Stop the nonsense.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:52 pm

The government website on the AZ describes common side effects. There’s been no conspiracy to hide this.

I got a piece of paper after my first AZ outlining the full gamut of side effects that may occur, up to and including death.

bespoke
bespoke
November 9, 2021 5:52 pm

Getting one of these and tool set for the granddaughter for Christmas.

struth
struth
November 9, 2021 5:52 pm

As a confirmed conspiracy theorist, I’ll wander over to Arky’s thread one day and watch the cool kids putting two and two together finally.
As I get booted out of another job when all I was doing was killing Nannas in pubs.
Funny how right now in QLD, with hardly anyone jabbed in regional QLD, the unjabbed and the jabbed can pack into pubs and stand as close as they like……..shove a tongue down each other’s throat if they like, until a vaccinated target is reached.
Once the target of having a clear majority of vaccinated is reached, their vaccinations no longer work and they must therefore be separated from the unvaccinated to save them .
It’s Science.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 5:54 pm

It may not be 90% but it’s freaking high.

50% of those in my ambit, JC, which includes a lot of oldies.

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:56 pm

50% of those in my ambit, JC, which includes a lot of oldies.

Yep. Mine estimate is higher . The only one I recall is an uncle I really don’t like (who’s 87ish) and of course had zero side effects. 🙂

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 5:57 pm

struth says:
November 9, 2021 at 5:52 pm

As a confirmed conspiracy theorist,

Ain’t that the truth.

custard
custard
November 9, 2021 5:57 pm

Hi Cats

I see there is a small survey here about wax and effects etc.

I don’t know of anyone who has had the ChinaVirus

My SIL’s sister is in on life support after second jab
One member of my (former golf club) has tinnitus
Another has massive immune system issues

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 5:58 pm

Awwwww…Bruce!

Wookattawiddleface! Or is that kookatta?

Just perfect.

Zipster
November 9, 2021 6:01 pm

It’s Science.

it’s fascism with chinese characteristics

twostix
twostix
November 9, 2021 6:05 pm

Be vaxxed or lose your job, business, civic rights. I suppose I’ll have to mandate it for the staff.

You can keep a ‘covid plan’ in place and let them work and live freely.

Or you can keep being the government’s little bitch and doing their dirty work for them while pretending it’s ‘your’ business anymore.

cohenite
November 9, 2021 6:05 pm

Details about the troubled early years of the man accused of kidnapping Cleo Smith have emerged in an audiotape that reveals he was removed from his mother’s care at a young age.

Penny Walker, a respected member of the Indigenous community, said she took Terence Darrell Kelly under her wing when he was just two years old.

During a 2019 oral history interview with Denmark-based photographer Nic Duncan, Ms Walker spoke about how a “little boy with jet black curly hair” ended up in her care in 1987.

Born in 1943, Ms Walker was 44 years old when she took him in and called him Terry.

In the interview, she said she had been a heavy drinker in her youth and that she was a domestic violence victim. She said her own six biological children had been taken from her.

Unbelievable. How the fuck does she get her hands on any kid after her sprogs are taken off her, no mean feat since she’s a 3rd nations and inherently good beyond white understanding and problems she has aren’t her fault.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 6:10 pm

Struth, no doubt there is in Australia a level of herd immunity due to acquired Covid infection early in the pandemic and also more recently. But it is still at a very low level in population-wide terms, as random immunity testing (which they don’t tell us about) shows. It woud be good if this level of existing immunity and the cross-immunity that previous infections with other Corona viruses provides could come together with vaxx immunity to mean that we have a relatively Covid-free time in Australia in the next year or so. This might mean that ‘Health’ will lay off the unvaxxed a bit.

Hairy took the Vaxx under his own steam, as did I, we are like that with each other. He’s really keen now to get a mild dose of Covid, as he’d like to feel securely immune for the forays he intends to make into furrin climes asap. I am less keen on a mild dose. I’m ten years older and in dangerous waters there. I will just up my immunity with boosters of better vaxxes when available. Might get an immunity test anyway though, as I think I may have brought Covid back with me in March 2020. Had one day in home quarantine exceptionally tired and with a bit of a headache and sore throat. There was a lot of Covid in Louisiana when we were there in the previous week.

Delta A
Delta A
November 9, 2021 6:11 pm

Getting one of these and tool set for the granddaughter for Christmas.

I bought Granddaughter (then four yo) a Tonka dump truck for her new sandpit. She politely played with it, mainly to ferry her Barbies around, all squashed in the back (but dressed in superb style).

Seven years later her almost-aspy brother arrived. He sure knew how to work a dump truck.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 9, 2021 6:13 pm

Covid kills, you read it here first.

Man Soaked In Hand Sanitizer Ignites After Being Tased By Cops (8 Nov)

According to the local news Times-Union, Catskill Village Police Department said Jason Jones, 29, walked into the police station and sparked a “confrontation with officers.” The man stripped his clothing off and doused himself with hand sanitizer. Chief Dave Darling, a former State Police senior investigator, said officers tased Jones to subdue him.

It was at that moment when Jones burst into flames. The local paper said he “is in an intensive care unit at Upstate University Hospital in Syracuse. His condition is grave, according to people briefed on the matter.”

Surely to be a bat crud victim, in the official statistics, and a Darwin Awardee.

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 6:15 pm

And, I forgot to mention, after the jab, they ask you to sit down for 15 to 20 minutes in case of any early onset side effects burst out.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 6:16 pm

My SIL’s sister is in on life support after second jab

That one sounds serious. Any comorbidities? Put it on Arky’s list, separate thread.
Also, AZ or Pfizer/Moderna. He should be tabulating type of vax too.

My two I nominated for haemorrhoids and cough (neither really vax related) were AZ.

calli
calli
November 9, 2021 6:16 pm

Penalties
Any person found in breach of the Public Health Directions and/or Public Health Act 2005, i.e. to whom a Direction/Act applies, without a reasonable excuse, could face a penalty of up to a maximum of 100 penalty units or 6 months’ imprisonment.

A single “penalty unit” is $137. With all the cross-checking, I doubt Sal has a lazy $13,700 lying around for every infringement.

That’s just for individuals. I can’t see what it is for businesses.

Winston Smith
November 9, 2021 6:18 pm

Sancho:
Just a couple of quick corrections here:

Diogenes, I thought they had a single all purpose anti-venene for all Aussie snakes now?

Yes, but it’s bloody pricey Polyvalent (IIRC) $30k a dose. Specific antivenenes are about $5k to $15k each.

Does the stuff just fucking become useless overnight?

No. It probably maintains 95% of efficacy if stored correctly. (The 95% is a WAG but logical.)

I doubt it.

Your doubts are on the money, I’d say.

Some poor schmuck writhing in agony in AED and dying of deaf adder bite and Nurse Karen says “Oh, no, we can’t give him the anti-v because it time-exed last week”.

It’s the docs call – not the nurses. But if the patient dies, the docs insurance Will Not Cover Him/Her/Zim.
And that’s the issue with so much of the legislation covering expiry dates – it’s the insurance that inserts the Pineapple of Deregistration.
Somewhat akin to our fuel reserves held OS. It’s not the threat by the enemy to the shipping, it’s the insurance companies that will stop the trade until the government guarantees the owners losses.

twostix
twostix
November 9, 2021 6:20 pm

On the old catallaxy files there used to be a really dumb liberty quote, something along the lines of “what have the shopkeepers ever done, other than defeated slavery?”.

Even at the height of dreadful 2010 era libertarian curiosity it made me eye roll.

I mean, they can’t even stand up to Gladys and Palachook, and obediently scurry around carrying out the edicts on their employees that Gladys and co cannot morally or lawfully order without looking like literal nazi’s and so enlist businessmen to be their agents and snitches instead. Knowing that they’ll willing obey.

Just call yourselves what you are: glorified government employees. In fact the average government employee has more freedom and independence and backbone than a businessman in Australia 2021.

And all those years of prostrating themselves before the “Liberals”, and avoiding politics and keeping their heads down as the culture wars swept big business then the regulatory state then into small business has certainly paid off.

Probably should have put some of those $$$ into useful political causes that didn’t revolve exclusively around demanding mass immigration to replace the locals and drive down wages. Good planning.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 9, 2021 6:21 pm

The sole outlier is the Death Adder, which uses straight neurotoxins (treatable with with medications like atropine if antivenom is not readily available).

It was a Deaf Adder we were talking about.
Thanks.
Very informative.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
November 9, 2021 6:21 pm

On snake anti- venom.

Expires reasonably quickly (about 6 months), you have to be able to get a positive reaction to venom from a bite site or symptoms ( Aussie snakes can dry bite) and there is a high chance of a life threatening reaction to the anti- venom.
People’s bodies don’t like the horse serum.

Quite often they will hold off until a sign of envenomation rather than give the shot.

bespoke
bespoke
November 9, 2021 6:24 pm

Delta

She’s only two so time will tell what her interest are. If her Nan had her way it would be breeding butterflies to bug me while I’m eating. Waking up with one of things stuck to your head is a nightmare. Perhaps locking the paint cabinet wasn’t such a good idea.

egg_
egg_
November 9, 2021 6:25 pm

Of course the real agenda is simply to stop the proles being able to drive and ruthlessly restricting their freedom of movement.

Remember when ABC fvck knuckle (BIRM) Adam Spencer wanted to road tax V8s out of existence?

Nowadays, the nong is doing road trips in a stonking great softroader, natch.

Our elites in action.

Love an Aussie Road Trip – Episode 1: Fasten your seatbelts
“Amazing people and unforgettable experiences through the eyes of Australia’s favourite funny geek!”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 9, 2021 6:28 pm

Awwww, Bruce, wookita widdle birdie Kooka babykins. Tooka tooka tooka, bubby, boofullest one.

Wild birds are so special to interact with and your Kookas obviously just love the special premises you’ve organised for them. We have some Kookas in the lower garden but they mostly don’t come up here, it’s Currawong territory. When the terrace was not enclosed we used to get more, especially the Lorikeets, but the Currwongs have now claimed the reduced open verandah as theirs alone.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Rex Angersays:
November 9, 2021 at 5:43 pm

Thanks Rex.
I’m well across the planning & greenie placating rot feedlot applications etc have to go through.

However never in my life have I heard a council giving a toss what grass grows in a paddock.

I’ve seen a council try to get dogs registered – that didn’t work.
Heck, I’ve even seen them try to collect rates when someone doesn’t pay – that backfired.
Grass? That grows all by itself, dunnit?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 9, 2021 6:30 pm

Penny Walker, a respected member of the Indigenous community, said she took Terence Darrell Kelly under her wing when he was just two years old.

“His mum didn’t want him, so she threw him away.” – “The West Australian.”

JC
JC
November 9, 2021 6:32 pm

Oh God.

Delta A
Delta A
November 9, 2021 6:34 pm

If her Nan had her way it would be breeding butterflies to bug me while I’m eating.

Your little one sounds delightful, bespoke.

Treasure these fabulous, fleeting years.

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