The Triumph of Judas Maccabeus, Peter Paul Rubens, 1635
908 thoughts on “Open Thread – Weekend 4 Dec 2021”
It’s quite an interesting subject.
Lol at Tonythetroll excusing himself for once again, ‘accidentally’ reading a comment of mine.
I just thought claiming people who didn’t actually experience an event could have ‘vivid memories ‘ of it was the sort of claim progs would make and we would reject.
And gosh I’ve seen a survivors tattoo too.
With the collapse of the National Party vote in Qld in 1998, PHON were able to glean 11 of the 89 seats.
That’s when seats only averaged 31,000 voters.
With seats averaging 106,000 in Federal Parliament, they’re no chance of electing anyone.
Same goes for Palmer and the other clowns.
Bottom line:
Don’t vote Liberal or National or LNP?
Elect Labor.
The Holodomor is still a vivid memory for these people, along with the repeated redrawing of the maps of the Ukraine by powerful neighbors.
You replied:
How can the Holodomor be a ‘vivid memory’ for people who weren’t alive when it happened?
Sounds a bit like aboriginals claiming genocide suffering is past down genetically.
I think any reasonable reader would understand that I was referring to a group of people, considering the context.
So many men have been falsely accused. In the current Tudge, Porter, Laming cock-ups the women escape all scrutiny; at the same time as the sexual bullying report by Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins is released the msm has forgotten the majority of sexual bullying is by the left side of politics:
The treatment of women by the left has always been a cynical political process with only women who can further the cause evoking concern from the pricks. You’d think the conservatives would know this by now but look at Hollie Hughes and the rest of the lnp doing nothing about that mad kunt thorpe.
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A group of people is made up of individuals.
How is claiming a group of decendants has a ‘vivid memory’ better than individuals having ‘vivid memories’?
I’m rejecting the entire presence of second third or fourth generation’vivid memories ‘ individual or collective.
The Holodomor is still a vivid memory for these people, along with the repeated redrawing of the maps of the Ukraine by powerful neighbors.
You’re rewriting history there, mate.
There’s never been an independent country of Ukraine, before it became a SSR around 1920 it had been part of Russia for Centuries.
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Just back from the street Christmas function. Nice folks, but I withdrew into my shell.
Renewables good, covid is real and scary and “Anna deserves to be so popular, she has protected us “.
I know how the Jews felt as their world collapsed underneath them.
Nothing can be done; all is lost.
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They’re also going after their own side too, Cronkite.
Big Fat Harvey, Epstein, Cuomo bros with the latest news that Chris Cuomo got whacked. I don’t think Jizlane will ever see the other side of a prison wall again.
All good.
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Probably an epigenetic mechanism in play
dont get yr epigenetics and yr epigenesis mixed up.
when in doubt … ask rosie for help
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Nothing can be done; all is lost.
Yah, Bons, people go mad in herds but only come to their senses one by one.
We’re in an age of insanity. It’s very Heinleinian.
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So many men have been falsely accused. In the current Tudge, Porter, Laming cock-ups the women escape all scrutiny;
Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell, in Laming’s case it was just petty local Labor politics.
Scotty Mandates coulda and shoulda stood up for Laming.
Turnbull started it by not supporting the bloke who got Downer’s seat in South Australia.
Forgotten his name, he was pretty pissed in Hong Kong but he didn’t assault anyone.
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I reckon the one who ought to be whacked hard is fuckhead, Jack Thompson, who happens to be really ill these days. That piece of shit was bonking his then girlfriend’s sister who was under age. He ended up living with both of them. That’s just so fucking sick.
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John H. says:
December 5, 2021 at 6:32 pm
Rosie the vivid memories of indigenous peoples in the distant past is nonsense.
…we are not talking about positive adaptation here. Epigenetic changes typically are deleterious.
Perhaps “vivid” memories aren’t the driver in what is being claimed to be intergenerational trauma. I’d argue that environment can be and is as much the actuator of trauma, or the trauma like sense and perception as is any underlying, less visible epigenetic mechanism(s). I refer to social engineering, where it does seem plainly clear that taught and learned attitudes toward a “racial” or ethnic group can have a significant impact on the way a person who is different is treated. Subjective resilience to objective difficulties caused by this learned communal influence is obviously a determinant on how that person may perceive that social environment.
I am rather dark featured myself and tan up quite well. The Police in Sydney gave me an awfully hard time as a young bloke when I was studying, working and living in the inner city. Particularly changing trains at Redfern, bailed up for a ticket and ID on a platform full of commuters, a few too many times. I recall copping a hell of a lot for several years from late 2001 onward from people I’d never met, though I could walk around places like Lakemba and Lidcome any time of night, say waiting for a train and have no issues. Mates from school that had more of the Anglo features rather than my Celtic would get mugged every time they waited for a train. They forgot about a flat they rented the week before and got out, lost the bond and all.
Perhaps there is the argument that these epigenetic mechanisms are of particular use in predator, prey relationships and pressures that may vary in influence and impact given change in environment. I understand this kind of thing is a consideration in studies of how some dingo populations have learned and transmitted this learning regarding avoiding 10-80. Say you are a mob of kangaroos under diverse predation and environmental pressures in a prolonged drought period or mini-ice age. The locals are hungrier than normal having access to for example plant based, insect and shellfish foods unavailable longer term. Such stress/ trauma related epigenetic changes that improve reaction time may play a signifcant role in favouring particular offspring’s survival.
I read that traumatised people are way better drivers with shorter reaction times and are less likely to have car accidents.
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Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell,
FMD, the poor bloody woman in Porter’s case was mad and dead. There was no fucking story. In Tudge’s case it looks like a classic case of sour grapes: I was dropped, my ego is shattered. Woman scorned and all that bullshit. Tudge should have come out and stated she was a dud root.
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He’s really edgy though. We should tolerate edginess.
Thompson married Beverley Hackett in 1963 and the five-year marriage produced his son Patrick Thompson. He met Leona King and her sister Bunkie in 1969, and entered into a 15-year polyamorous relationship with them. Leona was 20 and Bunkie was 15 when the relationship began. Bunkie left the relationship in 1985, and is estranged from her sister. Leona remained with Thompson, and gave birth to his second son, Billy.
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How an innocent Black man served time for the rape of author Alice Sebold
Sebold made a heap off of a book she wrote about her traumatic experience at the hands of her black rapist. Now that his innocence has been proven and he has finally been released from prison she has shifted gears. Now she is loudly decrying the ‘evil American justice system that put him there’.
Oddly, she seems to have forgotten that HER false testimony was exactly what put him there as there was no other significant evidence against him.
Proving once again that there is absolutely no fact that the left won’t try to write out of the narrative and no evidence they won’t sweep into the forgettery.
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“Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell, “
I’m sure Kathy Sheriff has a story to tell too……yet the progressive scum in the MSM and on social media aren’t interested in her story. Odd. Why could that be?
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In Tudge’s case it looks like a classic case of sour grapes: I was dropped, my ego is shattered.
HD said: I read that traumatised people are way better drivers with shorter reaction times and are less likely to have car accidents.
I apply a simple mantra which is said every time I get into the vehicle. ‘Arrive alive. Get home alive’! So far, it’s worked a treat. Am I a better driver – because of trauma? Or as someone who has been traumatised – am I just more alert and/or careful?
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“the poor bloody woman in Porter’s case was mad and dead”
This woman’s story, as Ed likes to quaintly call it, was used as a political tool by a monstrous regimen of progressive women………Hanson-Dung, Crabb, Maiden, Frank Wong et al.
I had vivid memories as a child of Custer at the Alamo. Many a night a young Shan Ke Ho would have to sing me to sleep. I still get the sweats.
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Baba says:
December 5, 2021 at 4:31 pm
I wonder if the ABC employee/contractor who bought a copy of Heston’s pic successfully claimed reimbursement of expenses?
Vindictive gutless scumbags sniping at a soldier because he exposed their bullshit journalism.
Will one of our useless government ministers finally recognise that it cannot be fixed.
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“Tudge should be clipped but for going near her.”
My thoughts too.
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Big Fat Harvey, Epstein, Cuomo bros with the latest news that Chris Cuomo got whacked. I don’t think Jizlane will ever see the other side of a prison wall again.
A phenomenon known as “eating their own”.
And where are “conservatives” in all of this?
Patting themselves heartedly on the back and eating some mildly tastee food, washed down with some equally forgettable bubblee.
🙁
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Shan Ke Ho
Get it right, it’s Skan Ke Ho an Asian warlord’s mistress. The idiot is doing his best to ruin CL’s blog.
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JC, bloody auto correct.
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JC – it was Latham who brought the concept of the “Skankee Ho” to the Sheitgeist.
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JC, God bless Homer. That story still makes me laugh out loud.
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Tudge’s squeeze, resting bitch face.
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HDsays:
December 5, 2021 at 7:14 pm
Perhaps there is the argument that these epigenetic mechanisms are of particular use in predator, prey relationships and pressures that may vary in influence and impact given change in environment.
That’s possible but if we look at epigenetics as a whole the trend is towards negative consequences. The animal examples you cite can also be explained by natural selection of alleles which can be remarkably rapid. Modeling of that challenged my intuitive assessment of how quickly the changes can happen. It doesn’t take that many generations for allele sweeps through the genome.
I read that traumatised people are way better drivers with shorter reaction times and are less likely to have car accidents.
Heightened arousal because of elevated anxiety\paranoia. Swings and roundabouts, an advantage on the road but increased risk of anxiety, depression, paranoia, and related changes in the brain that can have unfortunate consequences. Unfortunately the changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
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dover0beach says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:31 pm I had vivid memories as a child of Custer at the Alamo. Many a night a young Shan Ke Ho would have to sing me to sleep. I still get the sweats.
The sweats might be from too much undercover action…ease up a bit, let the memories fade
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Big Fat Harvey, Epstein, Cuomo bros with the latest news that Chris Cuomo got whacked.
The New York AG is a black female who wants to be Governor. She would have had to defeat Andrew Coumo in a primary election to do that. So when multiple juicy and credible sexual harassment claims were made against him the opportunity was just too perfect for someone running for Gov on the ‘you go gurl’ ticket to pass up. So she pulled out her Alinsky checklist cranked up the lefty machinery, investigated the hell out of the claims, and made sure it got plenty of press coverage to keep the heat on.
Meanwhile, Fredo Coumo, not being the sharpest tool in the shed and certainly not being burdened with any integrity, abused his position (and staff) at CNN to dig up opposition research for his brother. In this case, looking for dirt on Andrew’s accusers. He also began prodding Andrew’s Chief of Staff to participate in using that dirt to create/conduct a counter insurgency campaign to impugn the accusers’ characters and smother their claims.
Doing ‘woke’ as a white male politician is a narrow path fraught with hazard. The Coumos stepped on a landmine that they helped the left plant. Then they ran out of clout to refill their democrat credibility debts and the lefties foreclosed.
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Unfortunately the changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
and Lamark drove a Tesla before it was cool
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dover0beach says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:36 pm
JC, bloody auto correct.
I know. I was just making hay to intro the story. The Skanky Ho debauchery would have to be the best story in ozblogdom’s history. A few come close, but as you’ve demanded peace I can’t mention them.
Even now, he won’t back down. My God he’s an idiot.
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MatrixTransformsays:
December 5, 2021 at 7:48 pm
Unfortunately the changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
and Lamark drove a Tesla before it was cool
Ted Steele, controversial Aussie immunologist pointed out the possibility of Lamarckian style inheritance long ago with “Lamarck’s Signature”. The book didn’t do his career any favours and later he was involved in some academic scandal at the Uni of Wollongong.
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Frank says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:39 pm
Tudge’s squeeze, resting bitch face.
I know right and rather than sprint off at light-speed he sprinted to her and light-speed.
Thanks for coments on epigenesis, John H. It’s an interesting subject, which has not perhaps had the research it deserves because of the caricature of Lamarckism, which I was taught about in high school science as being utterly phony. Darwin roolz OK, we were told.
The truth is obviously more complicated. I don’t see why both processes could operate simultaneously, although the time scales are very different.
Nobody disputes that things that happen to the mother during pregnancy, or things she ingests, can have significant effects on her offspring. That this might include effects on the DNA of her offspring is not beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed, it may be that the DNA of her eggs can be affected by external events prior to pregnancy.
These effects would probably be very small and almost always undetectable. As you say, there is no apparent advantage in them. But, there is no apparent advantage in mutations generally – the vast majority die out and amount to nothing.
When it comes to intergenerational trauma, it is not difficult to understand why it would persist for a generation or two. After that, as others have said, it requires external support to survive. That might involve cultivation of a grievance based culture which is acquiesced to by those with money and power.
The history of US blacks is instructive. During the post WWII period, blacks steadily improved their situation by every metric – education, income, home ownership, family formation. Then came the grievance culture, egged on by white ‘liberals.’ Suddenly, being a victim was a status symbol, families fell apart, bla bla. We all know the sad story.
It has nothing at all to do with intergenerational trauma, and they know it. It’s politics.
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Oh, and Cassie, well done for calling out Ms Lehmann.
Her throwing Andy Ngo under the bus was the last straw for me.
What a phony!
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Cassie of Sydney says:
December 5, 2021 at 6:22 pm
My best friend is such a person. Her parents were both survivors, the mother a survivor of Auschwitz and her late father was a survivor of forced labour camps…they were extremely depressed and unhappy people and the daughter suffered (and suffers) from depression and unhappiness.
I don’t have any direct contacts with that community but somehow discovered Maus which gives a window into that across the generations. I’ve also encouraged my kids to read it.
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Tudge’s squeeze, resting bitch face.
When this blew up she gave as an example of his poor treatment
“On a trip I got so pissed I don’t remember leaving the bar, and when my phone rang at 4am, I was in his bed, and he was kicking me to get out”.
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John H. says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:41 pm
…[traumatic]…changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
I don’t disagee. What I thought interesting is what I’ve heard from mates that went to the Defence Forces from high school and others that joined mature aged. That after completing all the psychometric tests on application, candidates are asked to make selections on what kind of role/specialisation/ unit they are interested in joining. Apparently people with indigenous heritage seem to end up driving things with engines quite frequently.
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johannasays:
December 5, 2021 at 7:52 pm
Thanks for coments on epigenesis, John H. It’s an interesting subject, which has not perhaps had the research it deserves because of the caricature of Lamarckism, which I was taught about in high school science as being utterly phony. Darwin roolz OK, we were told.
The truth is obviously more complicated. I don’t see why both processes could operate simultaneously, although the time scales are very different.
Nobody disputes that things that happen to the mother during pregnancy, or things she ingests, can have significant effects on her offspring. That this might include effects on the DNA of her offspring is not beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed, it may be that the DNA of her eggs can be affected by external events prior to pregnancy.
These effects would probably be very small and almost always undetectable. As you say, there is no apparent advantage in them. But, there is no apparent advantage in mutations generally – the vast majority die out and amount to nothing.
When it comes to intergenerational trauma, it is not difficult to understand why it would persist for a generation or two. After that, as others have said, it requires external support to survive. That might involve cultivation of a grievance based culture which is acquiesced to by those with money and power.
The history of US blacks is instructive. During the post WWII period, blacks steadily improved their situation by every metric – education, income, home ownership, family formation. Then came the grievance culture, egged on by white ‘liberals.’ Suddenly, being a victim was a status symbol, families fell apart, bla bla. We all know the sad story.
It has nothing at all to do with intergenerational trauma, and they know it. It’s politics.
Hey Johanna. The big problem with the way people use the concept of intergenerational trauma is that obviously many people are not impacted by it so the imperative should be to find the causal factors to explain that. The rate of psychiatric illness for the first descendants of Holocaust survivors was only x3 the general population so that is hardly a devastating blow to the generation. Studies some months ago highlighted that if we want to help children who have been through trying times the goal is to intervene before puberty. That’s pretty much up to parents to get their act together and optimise the opportunities for their children. There are plenty of examples of indigenous Australians and US blacks doing wonderfully well. For example, Stan Grant has commented how his parents worked so hard to make a better life for him. By any standard he has done very well but he won’t use the example of his parents to suggest to indigenous people to get their act together and start taking better care of their children because then he would have to point the bone at his own tribe which will alienate him from the activists. His lack of honesty about this issue disgusts me. He is just playing politics.
I agree in that I think the biological basis of intergenerational trauma does wash out. I think that is primarily a culturally induced wash out.
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Tudge’s squeeze
As featured in various Sky Nooze reports “appearing” to be his woife. The ALPBC was onto this very early.
Which is why the latter can quickly claim the moral high ground while the likes of Tudge and the Porter are at the laundromats lodging their trousers for a long overdue cleaning.
Tudge is an idiot and you have to question his mental process after shagging this bint. That combined with any lack of resistance to the bint’s bullshit really detracts from his suitability as a minister.
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Bottom line:
Don’t vote Liberal or National or LNP?
Elect Labor.
She finally got a Moderna Vaccination after the many parents of children at her children’s school made it clear that they did not want any child of unvaccinated parent/parents mixing with their children.
Three simple words guaranteed to make her life better, and to better serve the immortal souls of those bullies:
Go. Fuck. Yourselves.
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lotocoti: no link to support FIVE Crows shuffling off to ER. Any links you might come across appreciated.
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There are no public conservatives in this country any more*.
Which is actually a good thing.
However, it would be nice to have some. Avi and Rukshan are mighty warriors, but they could do with some support, Cats. Is there anyone willing to step up?
*Latham, Pauline, Kelly – that’s it?
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It is not, and never will be just a case of This is not being enforced in the way I have interpeted it as being!
It should be. Section 92 is concise and can only mean one thing.
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What did Lehman do to Andy Ngo? I recall that he used to work for Quillette and then wasn’t there any more? Does anyone know the backstory?
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Oops – disclaimer time – I am not a “conservative”.
It is pretty funny how much effort the ALP puts into fucking over individual LNP members since the LNP pass the ALP policies over a slightly longer timeframe anyway.
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Now that his innocence has been proven and he has finally been released from prison she has shifted gears.
Nah.
He was let go 25 years ago, some deadbeats with nothing better to do pestered whoever until he was declared “innocent”.
She’s since made a 40 year career out of her ordeal, good on her, but she doesn’t want to get canceled and lose whatever she’s got.
It’s a story of general desperation and the beatification of victimhood, in any sane era of history she’d a disappeared and he’d a either been Hanged or let go if there was reasonable doubt.
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“vrsays:
December 5, 2021 at 8:17 pm
What did Lehman do to Andy Ngo? I recall that he used to work for Quillette and then wasn’t there any more? Does anyone know the backstory?”
As I wrote about this morning, in mid 2019 Andy Ngo was savagely beaten by Antifa scum in Portland. At the time he was a roving reporter with Quillette. The scum in the MSM and on social media sewers spread lies about how Ngo was in league with the Proud Boys (not that, as far as I’m concerned, there is anything wrong with that). It was all designed to smear and cancel Ngo. Within weeks Lehmann and Quillette dropped Ngo.
Antifa and their buddies in the MSM are still trying to cancel Ngo.
Reminds me of the Scottsboro Boys, 6 Blacks who were convicted of Rape in 1924.
It was a Cause Celebre of the American Left for decades, they were eventually all let go, the last died in 1985, one of them was locked up again for Murder.
Not sure they were ever dclared Innocent.
Got a feeling new Evidence pointed to their Guilt.
If that had been available in 1924, they woulda all hung.
He was let go 25 years ago, some deadbeats with nothing better to do pestered whoever until he was declared “innocent”.
A song so catchy, most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It’s also a personal statement about the band itself.
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Bluddee hell – it’s enough to make you want to “Go Underground” … 😕
lotocoti says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:25 pm
I try not to twatter myself, but there are some interesting snippets there. Cheers.
Ms Miller has accused Senator Cash of months of poor treatment during the first half of 2018.
Brittany Higgins had a similar account of working for Michaela Cash.
Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.
Rachelle Miller looks like a nice girl., perhaps a bit green.
Did Tudge promise to marry her?
Because otherwise, apart from Cash, what’s the big deal?
In that order?
Because we’ve got a preference system here, and that order will elect the Labor Candidate 49 times out of 50.
Is there anyone willing to step up?
I reckon I’d be up for it once I mature. Although, with my past history of sexy shenanigans and debauchery my run would end under a tsunami of Catallaxy tut-tutting.
Thanks Cassie. I knew that he was beaten up by Antifa and had seen the rumor that he was with the proud boys. I dismissed it outright as it sounded preposterous.
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Ed Casesays:
December 5, 2021 at 8:40 pm
We are voting for LDP, UAP and PHON.
We will put the ALP, GRN, NP and LP last.
In that order?
Because we’ve got a preference system here, and that order will elect the Labor Candidate 49 times out of 50.
You are balls deep for the uniparty. You must know your public sector job is worthless.
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“Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.”
“Thanks Cassie. I knew that he was beaten up by Antifa and had seen the rumor that he was with the proud boys. “
I think the Proud Boys may have offered to provide security for him….which is most certainly not a bad thing. Ngo has never been associated with the group….and even if he was….SO WHAT. The fraud here is Lehmann and her magazine. She gaslights as someone she’s not.
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Rabz says:
December 5, 2021 at 6:43 pm
Testing out a redhead’s temper …
The same thing happened in the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, March: 1943. Except it was aircraft and, to a lesser extent, U.S. P.T. Boats. Overall, the Japanese loss was approximately 3,000, and while an exact count could not be kept of those killed in lifeboats and on rafts, I imagine that at least several hundred perished.
The National Archives of Australia contain quite a few files detailing some of the brutality, in the guise of post-war interrogations and investigations into war crimes. People would be shocked if they knew the extent of the allegations.
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She gaslights as someone she’s not.
Incorrect use of “gaslight”.
“Larps” may work better.
Lehmann can be a Wendish name.
If so, she’s got that in common with Ludwig Leichhardt.
Although, with my past history of sexy shenanigans and debauchery
Unless you were an RAN sailor you got nothing.
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Gee, thanks Muds – Nothing like some Brunettes.
A Covid stupidity protest with a difference.
On Friday evening, Archbishop Hickey in Perth led a Prayer for Australia rally on the steps of WA’s Parliament House. No slogans shouted, no banners held high, just a group of Christians who fell onto their knees to pray for Australia, quite a moving assembly.
Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.
Cash worked at Freehills when I was there. I spent a couple of months at the Perth office where she was based, then later she had a stint at the Melbourne office where I was based. I didn’t really know her, but I never heard anyone say a bad word about her.
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If you haven’t read it, Aaron posted a remarkable article earlier.
It gives an incredible oversight of the failings of the Covid vaccine program from a non-biased perspective.
Really worth taking an hour to read (it’s a significant document). You won’t regret it, and it’ll put a few things into perspective.
If everyone in Australia read it, we’d be half way to fixing our problems.
Looks like the BAR and .50 pics are from a sub – not much room for PWs.
So that makes it ok to machine gun merchant seamen in the water.
Glad you cleared that up for me.
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cohenite, politicians and others with a bit of edge in the power/money stakes have always availed themselves of bits on the side. It rarely matters in terms of their competence or incompetence at their jobs.
In the current miasma of guilt and blame and public indignation surrounding politicians, absurd and random things can destroy their carefully curated careers.
That prick Cuomo, who did a Dan and ensured the deaths of thousands of people in aged care facilities, only fell because he was also a groper and a sleaze.
It was like Al Capone being done for tax evasion.
It is always tempting to assume that low morals have something to do with in/competence in public office, but there is not a lot of historical support for that proposition.
It is always tempting to assume that low morals have something to do with in/competence in public office, but there is not a lot of historical support for that proposition.
Never heard that one, but it all depends.
Harold Holt was a legendary pants man but he kept it private and did his day job well.
Did The Tudgester promise to marry Rachelle to get into her pants?
That’s a bird of a different feather.
Plus, he’s been a poor Minister.
Tony Abbott started the Bring Back Phonics bullshit.
It’s just a 3 word slogan, means nothing.
Chinese money used to sway MP votes for Solomon Islands Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare
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Payments from a Chinese slush fund are being used to lock in the support of MPs for Solomon Islands Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare, ahead of a no-confidence motion in his leadership on Monday that could set off further violence in the country.
Australian Federal Police members – part of a 116-strong Australian peacekeeping force – practised with riot shields in Honiara on Sunday, in preparation for potential security flare-ups following the vote.
The Australians, with 50 Fijian and 50 Papua New Guinean peacekeepers, were joined in the Solomon Islands capital by a newly arrived contingent of 65 New Zealand soldiers.
The promised payments from the country’s National Development Fund, worth $SBD250,000 ($44,000), will allegedly only be paid to those who back Mr Sogavare in the looming vote, according to multiple Solomon Islands MPs.
Mr Sogavare has complete discretion over payment of the Chinese-supplied cash, which is transferred directly into MPs’ bank accounts.
Solomon Islands MP Silas Tausinga was one of four government MPs who refused the payment, defecting to the opposition ahead of the vote.
“I knew if I moved I wasn’t going to get it,” Mr Tausinga said. “But for me it wasn’t about the money anymore, it was about the principle.”
Government MPs were asked to apply for the NDF money just before the riots that erupted in Honiara three weeks ago.
“It is never paid out to the members of the opposition; only to the ministers and government backbenchers,” Mr Tausinga said.
“At different points it is used as a way of saying ‘whoever leaves here is not going to get it’. From what I have heard in the last two days, it is not going to be paid until after (the vote). They are using it as a political tool, as leverage.”
Mr Sogavare – a longtime critic of Australia who has forged strong relations with China – requested the foreign security presence under a 2017 treaty with Australia, amid rioters’ demands for his resignation.
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“That’s when I realised that he was a fucking idiot”!
Trump, you great big beautiful thug, love ya.
The thing I find most degrading about the Tudge (what an unfortunate name!) saga is that a woman would have so little self respect as to tell the whole world a story like that.
Even if it happened the way she said, the mental images evoked have a high yuck factor.
The nondescript, plastic hotel room, the stinky drunken couple, the slurred insults.
What sort of motivation is there for someone to send that picture of themselves out to the whole world?
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Old bloke says:
December 5, 2021 at 9:07 pm
A Covid stupidity protest with a difference.
On Friday evening, Archbishop Hickey in Perth led a Prayer for Australia rally on the steps of WA’s Parliament House. No slogans shouted, no banners held high, just a group of Christians who fell onto their knees to pray for Australia, quite a moving assembly.
A Prayer for Australia: 3rd December 2021 – Perth, Western Australia.
Thanks for that Old bloke, it was great to hear my choice of what should have been our National Anthem, sung so well –
God Bless Australia
Here in this God given land of ours, Australia
This proud possession, our own piece of earth
That was built by our fathers, who pioneered our heritage,
Here in Australia, the land of our birth.
God bless Australia, Our land Australia,
Home of the ANZAC, the strong and the free
It’s our homeland, our own land,
To cherish for eternity,
God bless Australia, The land of the free.
Here in Australia, we treasure love and liberty,
Our way of life, all for one, one for all
We’re a peace loving race, but should danger ever threaten us,
Let the world know we will answer the call
God bless Australia, Our land Australia,
Home of the ANZAC, the strong and the free
It’s our homeland, our own land,
To cherish for eternity,
God bless Australia, The land of the free.
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As promised, a big day.
Earlier, waaaaay back this morning I mentioned that lots of jacks were fed up with enforcing ever-changing edicts from unelected dunderheads.
I can’t link from here, but if one were to look up the NT Independent site and head for a piece with the words Erosion, Trust and Integrity in the title, you will find an actual resignation letter from an NT jack with 24 years in, along with details of what those two and a half decades got him.
It is, I can assure you, 100% factual.
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What sort of motivation is there for someone to send that picture of themselves out to the whole world?
The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Rachelle going public hopefully means it doesn’t happen to anyone else.
Yeah, I Know, Bill Shorten.
The System appears to be:
Female Staffer becomes an embarrassment, she’s transferred to Cash’s Office, where she’s managed out of the Organisation.
Sounds pretty cold blooded to me.
At least one decent copper in the territory. Shame he’s leaving.
He’ll find life is better on the outside.
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WW2 footage 2:20 to 3 minutes is uncomfortable
That is very fucking ordinary.
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lotocoti,
Bam.
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“If you haven’t read it, Aaron posted a remarkable article earlier”.
Glad you enjoyed it and thought it interesting
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And it looks like Australian “peacekeepers” are going to do the Chicom’s dirty work for them in the Solomons.
Well the cops and the ADF have been doing it here for a while. Nasty fascist goons. I hope their mothers are proud.
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The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Rachelle going public hopefully means it doesn’t happen to anyone else.
Yeah, I Know, Bill Shorten.
There is a slight difference between claiming to have been raped, and claiming that after having allowed herself to be bonked by a married man she got snippy because he didn’t treat her with respect.
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The System appears to be:
Female Staffer becomes an embarrassment, she’s transferred to Cash’s Office, where she’s managed out of the Organisation.
Sounds pretty cold blooded to me.
Even assuming that were accurate, what would your alternative approach be?
Transferring someone away from the married bloke they’ve let themselves get bonked by and now have a grudge against sounds sensible – especially transferring them somewhere where the boss is female so repeat performance /allegation won’t occur.
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Have just come across this interesting piece of history:
The founder of the Scottish hay rights movement an apologist for pesos! The history the ABC (remember Richard Neville and Jon Stephens), SMH, Age and Gillard-McClellan royal commission don’t want you to know about.
Rickw,
Don’t judge their actions by todays standards.
They were fighting a treacherous and merciless enemy.
Different rules. And they won.
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A bimbette went from acting sgt. to acting commander in a year?
Let’s put this in perspective.
This is like being a jumped up army cpl., usually in command of a fire team, to temporarily be the leader of a section (two fire teams) – to being a Lt. Col, the on ground commander of a battalion – 600 soldiers and maybe up to 1000 with support detachments.
In a year: with no extra training, qualifications and literally only a year more experience (when the public is literally locked up).
Remarkable to say the least.
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This is like being a jumped up army cpl., usually in command of a fire team, to temporarily be the leader of a section (two fire teams) – to being a Lt. Col, the on ground commander of a battalion – 600 soldiers and maybe up to 1000 with support detachments.
In a year: with no extra training, qualifications and literally only a year more experience (when the public is literally locked up).
Not even if they were the sole survivor of the Battalion.
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So that makes it ok to machine gun merchant seamen in the water.
There’s an account in James Phelps’s book “Australian Code Breakers” of the survivors of the German ships, “Nurnberg” and “Leipzig”, sunk at the Falkland Islands, in 1914, being machine gunned in the water. (Page 288,)
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And it looks like Australian “peacekeepers” are going to do the Chicom’s dirty work for them in the Solomons.
What? As reinforced platoon and some FedPol policemen going in to attempt to keep several hundred or several thousand angry people apart?
Blimey- This Our Rulers Are Paid, Boot-licking Stooges For Beijing meme is starting to bear some weird fruit…
The System appears to be:
Female Staffer becomes an embarrassment, she’s transferred to Cash’s Office, where she’s managed out of the Organisation.
Given Grigory’s revulsion at such a process (designed to keep toxic/feuding parties apart from each other, but still preserving their employment within the Public Service until the disciplinary process has completed or one or both parties’ positions are no longer tenable) we hope that he never makes or has a complaint upheld against him…
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CaptainMike
@CaptainMikeFDNY
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7 THINGS THAT DO NO EXIST IN REALITY
There is no Biden presidency except for the CCP
There is no covid crisis except for Fauci
There is no immigration crisis except for an EO
There is no energy crisis except for an EO
There is no race crisis except for BLM
There is no gender crisis except for academia / hollywood
There is no January 6 insurrection except for Pelosi
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Dot says:
December 5, 2021 at 10:45 pm In a year: with no extra training, qualifications and literally only a year more experience (when the public is literally locked up).
Remarkable to say the least.
She probably has already committed to bashing & shooting dissidents – what’s not to like??
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Amazing the left have pushed the Jan 6 narrative so much, yet the CIA have at least 10 pedophiles the US have refused to prosecute.
There’s no such thing as the swamp?
I am astonished how people are blind to this.
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Rex Anger says:
December 5, 2021 at 10:51 pm
And it looks like Australian “peacekeepers” are going to do the Chicom’s dirty work for them in the Solomons.
What? As reinforced platoon and some FedPol policemen going in to attempt to keep several hundred or several thousand angry people apart?
Blimey- This Our Rulers Are Paid, Boot-licking Stooges For Beijing meme is starting to bear some weird fruit…
Of course, Scummo is working for his CCP masters – think of the optics if CCP troops went in there to sort out their quisling government.
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Unrest in the Solomons will be child’s play compared to what will probably eventually happen in PNG.
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Of course, Scummo is working for his CCP masters – think of the optics if CCP troops went in there to sort out their quisling government.
Given that we are not going in uninvited (which seems to be tbe assumption that gives the meme oxygen), and that China has its ‘soft power’ hooks in every Asia-Pacific leader in some way, shape or form (Just as the US and even we do), and China has never once acted in a peacekeeping role anywhere in its history (The people have never been known to be good neighbours. Ask Vietnam), do you not think the meme might be just a little over-egged?
After all, this time a decade ago, at the desperate request of the Solomons Government (much like now), the ADF regularly rotated an entire Rifle Company Group through the place. Initially 3RAR (whose sole fatality was a digger who fell to his death in an unmarked well while patrolling), then the various Reserve Brigades until around 2011-12.
After all, this time a decade ago, at the desperate request of the Solomons Government (much like now), the ADF regularly rotated an entire Rifle Company Group through the place.
RAMSI was the mission. I knew of it as Operation Anode. And as you see, it ran from 2003 to 2017 in various iterations.
And it wasn’t seen as a problem until now?
Rex – aren’t the current problems in the Solomons due to Chinese money / influence & unhappy locals who blame their government? A bit like here – we know our government is not working for us but they are working for someone.
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Can the name Bunkie be revived in 2022?
Weren’t the Solomon Islanders disarmed the last time “peacekeepers “ went there? How remarkably prescient of someone.
Fat Tony,
The Solomon Islands Prime Minister is flat out offering money to MPs to vote for him.
It’s at Michael Smith news but I can’t link.
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Fresh Frederick. Or Frederika.
Rex – aren’t the current problems in the Solomons due to Chinese money / influence & unhappy locals who blame their government?
A lot of it is down to basic tribalism, and a mutual hatred and suspicion of the ethnic Chinese merchant class. Certainly not helped by CCP money and attempts to win ‘favour,’ colonialist-style (I.E. Buy off all the big men, in the vain hope that something useful may come out of it)…
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Mr Ed
The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Given that the Liars and the Slime seem to operate a permanent game of musical beds, that statement applies more to them than to the eternally stupid Lieborals.
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Top Ender:
The man’s sister has spoken of her heartache, saying he wasn’t taking his medication for schitzophrenia at the time.
“He’s a sweet kid, we don’t know what to do without him,” she said.
“I don’t believe he would do this”
The perp gets more coverage than the victim.
he wasn’t taking his medication for schitzophrenia at the time.
So she knew this? She should be charged for not alerting the medical team responsible.
He’s a sweet kid, we don’t know what to do without him
That’sweet kid’ just butchered a woman, and she thinks of the impact on her own family.
rickw:
That’s because they don’t want to impact their freedom and liberty, whilst they destroy everyone else’s freedom and liberty.
The ruling class are completely out of their minds.
No, rick. The Brahmin Class are quite happy with their policies. Those policies are based on the fact that they are in no danger themselves, and the people they import or refuse to gaol only seek victims from the peasants.
Meanwhile they get to award themselves virtue gongs for their ‘humanity’.
Roger:
Speaking of pangs of conscience, the ‘Kill the Bill’ peititon with 125 000 + signatures has been delivered to VIC Governor Linda Dessau. Is she going to rubber stamp the Bill or stand on her sworn duty to preserve the Constitution & rule of law in the state?
Could you keep us up to date on this one please?
My day is just about totally full.
mem:
The box will be filled with a mass of storage drives and have internet connectivity, all powered by solar panels on the structure’s roof.
Jonathan Kneebone is a backer.
Solar panels to last 100,000 years – we can’t even make them last for 100 bloody years!
So I suggest we all have a go at suggesting contents.
My suggestion is:
1. The original glitter coated turd, mounted on the clean end.
I looked for JC’s video of President Trump calling General Milley “a fucking idiot” and did a search for it.
No video found using Brave.
Bullshit, thinks Winston.
It’s on Rumble. Here – for your enjoyment.
Twostix:
I disagree with forced vaccination, can I make a complaint?
If you do not want to receive a vaccination because you are opposed to it, this is unlikely to be a sufficient basis to lodge a discrimination or human rights complaint.
After the Revolution, we shall have a purge.
All of these bullshit sinecures that we’ve erected and have now shown themselves to be utterly gutless shall be torn out – root and branch.
Then we will forbid any of the PS who worked in them shall ever work for the people again.
Calli:
The fearful @rseholery up here is a thing to be wondered at. I even had friends wanting to put a Checkpoint Charlie up at the only road in to “stop the virus”. Idiots.
When this lunacy is over – and it will end – our society is going to be very aware of the informer types that live with us.
It is not going to be pleasant.
Arky:
Watch our floppy dildo taped to a bonnet leaders continue to roll out the pre-bought boosters and monster refusers as if nothing is any the blooming different.
I understand the ‘booster’ is the same vaccine that was originally touted as the ‘cure’ Is this correct?
Twostix:
Then they’ll lean on the homeschooling brigade and make the handful of parents who refuse jabs and pull their kids out of school a family services / health / social interaction issue and start threatening to fine parents and take kids away.
Damn straight they will.
The pricks want everyone shot up so there’s no control group.
Arky:
For a people who recite the same four Monty Python skits over and over again for the last five and a half decades, you really are a thin skinned lot.
Four Monty Python skits? Looxury!
We were so poor, we could only hear the neighbours TV from a cardboard box in the middle of the road! We were so deprived of Monty Python skits, we had to decode the snap! crackle! and pop! from our cold breakfast gravel that we had to eat before we got up because we weren’t sent to bed until then!
What looxury!
🙂
It’s quite an interesting subject.
Lol at Tonythetroll excusing himself for once again, ‘accidentally’ reading a comment of mine.
I just thought claiming people who didn’t actually experience an event could have ‘vivid memories ‘ of it was the sort of claim progs would make and we would reject.
And gosh I’ve seen a survivors tattoo too.
Spain about to put another vaxx into the mix.
With the collapse of the National Party vote in Qld in 1998, PHON were able to glean 11 of the 89 seats.
That’s when seats only averaged 31,000 voters.
With seats averaging 106,000 in Federal Parliament, they’re no chance of electing anyone.
Same goes for Palmer and the other clowns.
Bottom line:
Don’t vote Liberal or National or LNP?
Elect Labor.
Testing out a redhead’s temper …
Rosie:
I wrote:
You replied:
I think any reasonable reader would understand that I was referring to a group of people, considering the context.
What a fucking mess:
How an innocent Black man served time for the rape of author Alice Sebold
So many men have been falsely accused. In the current Tudge, Porter, Laming cock-ups the women escape all scrutiny; at the same time as the sexual bullying report by Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins is released the msm has forgotten the majority of sexual bullying is by the left side of politics:
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/female-labor-staffers-warn-male-mps-they-will-no-longer-keep-their-secrets/news-story/6baf4f0b1d766c24718ff11fee1765c6
The treatment of women by the left has always been a cynical political process with only women who can further the cause evoking concern from the pricks. You’d think the conservatives would know this by now but look at Hollie Hughes and the rest of the lnp doing nothing about that mad kunt thorpe.
A group of people is made up of individuals.
How is claiming a group of decendants has a ‘vivid memory’ better than individuals having ‘vivid memories’?
I’m rejecting the entire presence of second third or fourth generation’vivid memories ‘ individual or collective.
You’re rewriting history there, mate.
There’s never been an independent country of Ukraine, before it became a SSR around 1920 it had been part of Russia for Centuries.
Just back from the street Christmas function. Nice folks, but I withdrew into my shell.
Renewables good, covid is real and scary and “Anna deserves to be so popular, she has protected us “.
I know how the Jews felt as their world collapsed underneath them.
Nothing can be done; all is lost.
They’re also going after their own side too, Cronkite.
Big Fat Harvey, Epstein, Cuomo bros with the latest news that Chris Cuomo got whacked. I don’t think Jizlane will ever see the other side of a prison wall again.
All good.
dont get yr epigenetics and yr epigenesis mixed up.
when in doubt … ask rosie for help
Yah, Bons, people go mad in herds but only come to their senses one by one.
We’re in an age of insanity. It’s very Heinleinian.
Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell, in Laming’s case it was just petty local Labor politics.
Scotty Mandates coulda and shoulda stood up for Laming.
Turnbull started it by not supporting the bloke who got Downer’s seat in South Australia.
Forgotten his name, he was pretty pissed in Hong Kong but he didn’t assault anyone.
I reckon the one who ought to be whacked hard is fuckhead, Jack Thompson, who happens to be really ill these days. That piece of shit was bonking his then girlfriend’s sister who was under age. He ended up living with both of them. That’s just so fucking sick.
John H. says:
December 5, 2021 at 6:32 pm
Perhaps “vivid” memories aren’t the driver in what is being claimed to be intergenerational trauma. I’d argue that environment can be and is as much the actuator of trauma, or the trauma like sense and perception as is any underlying, less visible epigenetic mechanism(s). I refer to social engineering, where it does seem plainly clear that taught and learned attitudes toward a “racial” or ethnic group can have a significant impact on the way a person who is different is treated. Subjective resilience to objective difficulties caused by this learned communal influence is obviously a determinant on how that person may perceive that social environment.
I am rather dark featured myself and tan up quite well. The Police in Sydney gave me an awfully hard time as a young bloke when I was studying, working and living in the inner city. Particularly changing trains at Redfern, bailed up for a ticket and ID on a platform full of commuters, a few too many times. I recall copping a hell of a lot for several years from late 2001 onward from people I’d never met, though I could walk around places like Lakemba and Lidcome any time of night, say waiting for a train and have no issues. Mates from school that had more of the Anglo features rather than my Celtic would get mugged every time they waited for a train. They forgot about a flat they rented the week before and got out, lost the bond and all.
Perhaps there is the argument that these epigenetic mechanisms are of particular use in predator, prey relationships and pressures that may vary in influence and impact given change in environment. I understand this kind of thing is a consideration in studies of how some dingo populations have learned and transmitted this learning regarding avoiding 10-80. Say you are a mob of kangaroos under diverse predation and environmental pressures in a prolonged drought period or mini-ice age. The locals are hungrier than normal having access to for example plant based, insect and shellfish foods unavailable longer term. Such stress/ trauma related epigenetic changes that improve reaction time may play a signifcant role in favouring particular offspring’s survival.
I read that traumatised people are way better drivers with shorter reaction times and are less likely to have car accidents.
Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell,
FMD, the poor bloody woman in Porter’s case was mad and dead. There was no fucking story. In Tudge’s case it looks like a classic case of sour grapes: I was dropped, my ego is shattered. Woman scorned and all that bullshit. Tudge should have come out and stated she was a dud root.
He’s really edgy though. We should tolerate edginess.
Sebold made a heap off of a book she wrote about her traumatic experience at the hands of her black rapist. Now that his innocence has been proven and he has finally been released from prison she has shifted gears. Now she is loudly decrying the ‘evil American justice system that put him there’.
Oddly, she seems to have forgotten that HER false testimony was exactly what put him there as there was no other significant evidence against him.
Proving once again that there is absolutely no fact that the left won’t try to write out of the narrative and no evidence they won’t sweep into the forgettery.
“Well, in the case of Tudge and Porter the women concerned had a story to tell, “
I’m sure Kathy Sheriff has a story to tell too……yet the progressive scum in the MSM and on social media aren’t interested in her story. Odd. Why could that be?
Someone’s face is also their personality. It says so much. Get a load of this 44 gallon drum of acid.
Tudge should be clipped but for going near her.
I apply a simple mantra which is said every time I get into the vehicle. ‘Arrive alive. Get home alive’! So far, it’s worked a treat. Am I a better driver – because of trauma? Or as someone who has been traumatised – am I just more alert and/or careful?
“the poor bloody woman in Porter’s case was mad and dead”
This woman’s story, as Ed likes to quaintly call it, was used as a political tool by a monstrous regimen of progressive women………Hanson-Dung, Crabb, Maiden, Frank Wong et al.
Nothing to see here.
I had vivid memories as a child of Custer at the Alamo. Many a night a young Shan Ke Ho would have to sing me to sleep. I still get the sweats.
Baba says:
December 5, 2021 at 4:31 pm
I wonder if the ABC employee/contractor who bought a copy of Heston’s pic successfully claimed reimbursement of expenses?
Vindictive gutless scumbags sniping at a soldier because he exposed their bullshit journalism.
Will one of our useless government ministers finally recognise that it cannot be fixed.
“Tudge should be clipped but for going near her.”
My thoughts too.
A phenomenon known as “eating their own”.
And where are “conservatives” in all of this?
Patting themselves heartedly on the back and eating some mildly tastee food, washed down with some equally forgettable bubblee.
🙁
Get it right, it’s Skan Ke Ho an Asian warlord’s mistress. The idiot is doing his best to ruin CL’s blog.
JC, bloody auto correct.
JC – it was Latham who brought the concept of the “Skankee Ho” to the Sheitgeist.
JC, God bless Homer. That story still makes me laugh out loud.
Tudge’s squeeze, resting bitch face.
That’s possible but if we look at epigenetics as a whole the trend is towards negative consequences. The animal examples you cite can also be explained by natural selection of alleles which can be remarkably rapid. Modeling of that challenged my intuitive assessment of how quickly the changes can happen. It doesn’t take that many generations for allele sweeps through the genome.
Heightened arousal because of elevated anxiety\paranoia. Swings and roundabouts, an advantage on the road but increased risk of anxiety, depression, paranoia, and related changes in the brain that can have unfortunate consequences. Unfortunately the changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
dover0beach says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:31 pm
I had vivid memories as a child of Custer at the Alamo. Many a night a young Shan Ke Ho would have to sing me to sleep. I still get the sweats.
The sweats might be from too much undercover action…ease up a bit, let the memories fade
The New York AG is a black female who wants to be Governor. She would have had to defeat Andrew Coumo in a primary election to do that. So when multiple juicy and credible sexual harassment claims were made against him the opportunity was just too perfect for someone running for Gov on the ‘you go gurl’ ticket to pass up. So she pulled out her Alinsky checklist cranked up the lefty machinery, investigated the hell out of the claims, and made sure it got plenty of press coverage to keep the heat on.
Meanwhile, Fredo Coumo, not being the sharpest tool in the shed and certainly not being burdened with any integrity, abused his position (and staff) at CNN to dig up opposition research for his brother. In this case, looking for dirt on Andrew’s accusers. He also began prodding Andrew’s Chief of Staff to participate in using that dirt to create/conduct a counter insurgency campaign to impugn the accusers’ characters and smother their claims.
Doing ‘woke’ as a white male politician is a narrow path fraught with hazard. The Coumos stepped on a landmine that they helped the left plant. Then they ran out of clout to refill their democrat credibility debts and the lefties foreclosed.
and Lamark drove a Tesla before it was cool
I know. I was just making hay to intro the story. The Skanky Ho debauchery would have to be the best story in ozblogdom’s history. A few come close, but as you’ve demanded peace I can’t mention them.
Even now, he won’t back down. My God he’s an idiot.
Ted Steele, controversial Aussie immunologist pointed out the possibility of Lamarckian style inheritance long ago with “Lamarck’s Signature”. The book didn’t do his career any favours and later he was involved in some academic scandal at the Uni of Wollongong.
I know right and rather than sprint off at light-speed he sprinted to her and light-speed.
Thanks for coments on epigenesis, John H. It’s an interesting subject, which has not perhaps had the research it deserves because of the caricature of Lamarckism, which I was taught about in high school science as being utterly phony. Darwin roolz OK, we were told.
The truth is obviously more complicated. I don’t see why both processes could operate simultaneously, although the time scales are very different.
Nobody disputes that things that happen to the mother during pregnancy, or things she ingests, can have significant effects on her offspring. That this might include effects on the DNA of her offspring is not beyond the realms of possibility. Indeed, it may be that the DNA of her eggs can be affected by external events prior to pregnancy.
These effects would probably be very small and almost always undetectable. As you say, there is no apparent advantage in them. But, there is no apparent advantage in mutations generally – the vast majority die out and amount to nothing.
When it comes to intergenerational trauma, it is not difficult to understand why it would persist for a generation or two. After that, as others have said, it requires external support to survive. That might involve cultivation of a grievance based culture which is acquiesced to by those with money and power.
The history of US blacks is instructive. During the post WWII period, blacks steadily improved their situation by every metric – education, income, home ownership, family formation. Then came the grievance culture, egged on by white ‘liberals.’ Suddenly, being a victim was a status symbol, families fell apart, bla bla. We all know the sad story.
It has nothing at all to do with intergenerational trauma, and they know it. It’s politics.
Oh, and Cassie, well done for calling out Ms Lehmann.
Her throwing Andy Ngo under the bus was the last straw for me.
What a phony!
Cassie of Sydney says:
December 5, 2021 at 6:22 pm
I don’t have any direct contacts with that community but somehow discovered Maus which gives a window into that across the generations. I’ve also encouraged my kids to read it.
When this blew up she gave as an example of his poor treatment
“On a trip I got so pissed I don’t remember leaving the bar, and when my phone rang at 4am, I was in his bed, and he was kicking me to get out”.
John H. says:
December 5, 2021 at 7:41 pm
…[traumatic]…changes may provide protection on the road but also lead to increased risks for cardiovascular disease, psychiatric disorders, and dementia.
I don’t disagee. What I thought interesting is what I’ve heard from mates that went to the Defence Forces from high school and others that joined mature aged. That after completing all the psychometric tests on application, candidates are asked to make selections on what kind of role/specialisation/ unit they are interested in joining. Apparently people with indigenous heritage seem to end up driving things with engines quite frequently.
Hey Johanna. The big problem with the way people use the concept of intergenerational trauma is that obviously many people are not impacted by it so the imperative should be to find the causal factors to explain that. The rate of psychiatric illness for the first descendants of Holocaust survivors was only x3 the general population so that is hardly a devastating blow to the generation. Studies some months ago highlighted that if we want to help children who have been through trying times the goal is to intervene before puberty. That’s pretty much up to parents to get their act together and optimise the opportunities for their children. There are plenty of examples of indigenous Australians and US blacks doing wonderfully well. For example, Stan Grant has commented how his parents worked so hard to make a better life for him. By any standard he has done very well but he won’t use the example of his parents to suggest to indigenous people to get their act together and start taking better care of their children because then he would have to point the bone at his own tribe which will alienate him from the activists. His lack of honesty about this issue disgusts me. He is just playing politics.
I agree in that I think the biological basis of intergenerational trauma does wash out. I think that is primarily a culturally induced wash out.
As featured in various Sky Nooze reports “appearing” to be his woife. The ALPBC was onto this very early.
Which is why the latter can quickly claim the moral high ground while the likes of Tudge and the Porter are at the laundromats lodging their trousers for a long overdue cleaning.
Pathetic.
Tudge’s squeeze, resting bitch face.
Apparently some poor bastard was married to her at the time. Is that marriage still on. Apparently Tudge’s ex-wife mowed all his work shirts when she found out.
Tudge is an idiot and you have to question his mental process after shagging this bint. That combined with any lack of resistance to the bint’s bullshit really detracts from his suitability as a minister.
No dickhead.
We are voting for LDP, UAP and PHON.
We will put the ALP, GRN, NP and LP last.
“Lets hope nobody’s bright enough to ask
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Ah shit
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Mark Drakeford Caught on Hotmic
https://rumble.com/vq8y87-mark-drakeford-caught-on-hotmic.html?mref=5f67r&mc=7xi0y
Kenn3th Published – December 5, 2021
Three simple words guaranteed to make her life better, and to better serve the immortal souls of those bullies:
Go. Fuck. Yourselves.
lotocoti: no link to support FIVE Crows shuffling off to ER. Any links you might come across appreciated.
There are no public conservatives in this country any more*.
Which is actually a good thing.
However, it would be nice to have some. Avi and Rukshan are mighty warriors, but they could do with some support, Cats. Is there anyone willing to step up?
*Latham, Pauline, Kelly – that’s it?
It should be. Section 92 is concise and can only mean one thing.
What did Lehman do to Andy Ngo? I recall that he used to work for Quillette and then wasn’t there any more? Does anyone know the backstory?
Oops – disclaimer time – I am not a “conservative”.
I wanna “Crush Kill Destroy”. 🙂
Anger is an energy …
“Rabz – Noise Vigilante”
Clashing egos?
Tudge’s ex mistress is now throwing accusations at other lnp ministers, this time a female one.
It is pretty funny how much effort the ALP puts into fucking over individual LNP members since the LNP pass the ALP policies over a slightly longer timeframe anyway.
Nah.
He was let go 25 years ago, some deadbeats with nothing better to do pestered whoever until he was declared “innocent”.
She’s since made a 40 year career out of her ordeal, good on her, but she doesn’t want to get canceled and lose whatever she’s got.
It’s a story of general desperation and the beatification of victimhood, in any sane era of history she’d a disappeared and he’d a either been Hanged or let go if there was reasonable doubt.
“vrsays:
December 5, 2021 at 8:17 pm
What did Lehman do to Andy Ngo? I recall that he used to work for Quillette and then wasn’t there any more? Does anyone know the backstory?”
As I wrote about this morning, in mid 2019 Andy Ngo was savagely beaten by Antifa scum in Portland. At the time he was a roving reporter with Quillette. The scum in the MSM and on social media sewers spread lies about how Ngo was in league with the Proud Boys (not that, as far as I’m concerned, there is anything wrong with that). It was all designed to smear and cancel Ngo. Within weeks Lehmann and Quillette dropped Ngo.
Antifa and their buddies in the MSM are still trying to cancel Ngo.
Meanwhile Lehmann is a fake.
Soz.
Meant to link to the Melbourne Phoenix player’s travails.
Reminds me of the Scottsboro Boys, 6 Blacks who were convicted of Rape in 1924.
It was a Cause Celebre of the American Left for decades, they were eventually all let go, the last died in 1985, one of them was locked up again for Murder.
Not sure they were ever dclared Innocent.
Got a feeling new Evidence pointed to their Guilt.
If that had been available in 1924, they woulda all hung.
Good lord you are scum, Grigory.
You are satan’s wash room attendant maggot.
You never listened to a word that I said …
Joe Rogan, 99% right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZGUeVNvNmA
A song so catchy, most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It’s also a personal statement about the band itself.
Bluddee hell – it’s enough to make you want to “Go Underground” … 😕
I try not to twatter myself, but there are some interesting snippets there. Cheers.
Brittany Higgins had a similar account of working for Michaela Cash.
Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.
Rachelle Miller looks like a nice girl., perhaps a bit green.
Did Tudge promise to marry her?
Because otherwise, apart from Cash, what’s the big deal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmyq2OJOVDw
WW2 footage 2:20 to 3 minutes is uncomfortable
No one cares. Nor should we.
Fly, on wings of speed …
That will bring you home to me …
In that order?
Because we’ve got a preference system here, and that order will elect the Labor Candidate 49 times out of 50.
Is there anyone willing to step up?
I reckon I’d be up for it once I mature. Although, with my past history of sexy shenanigans and debauchery my run would end under a tsunami of Catallaxy tut-tutting.
For loves lost …
Thanks Cassie. I knew that he was beaten up by Antifa and had seen the rumor that he was with the proud boys. I dismissed it outright as it sounded preposterous.
You are balls deep for the uniparty. You must know your public sector job is worthless.
“Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.”
Actually Dick….Ed….I know Cash personally. She’s not “a particularly unpleasant bitch”.
Just piss off….your trolling has become tedious.
“Thanks Cassie. I knew that he was beaten up by Antifa and had seen the rumor that he was with the proud boys. “
I think the Proud Boys may have offered to provide security for him….which is most certainly not a bad thing. Ngo has never been associated with the group….and even if he was….SO WHAT. The fraud here is Lehmann and her magazine. She gaslights as someone she’s not.
Not quite the same production quality, but rather charming.
There’s no UniParty.
There’s The Stupid Party and there’s The Evil Party.
Your preference Order gifts Government to The Evil Party.
Are you stupid?
No Grigory,
The uniparty is the establishment – the LNP, ALP and GRN.
They are stupid and evil.
The same thing happened in the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, March: 1943. Except it was aircraft and, to a lesser extent, U.S. P.T. Boats. Overall, the Japanese loss was approximately 3,000, and while an exact count could not be kept of those killed in lifeboats and on rafts, I imagine that at least several hundred perished.
The National Archives of Australia contain quite a few files detailing some of the brutality, in the guise of post-war interrogations and investigations into war crimes. People would be shocked if they knew the extent of the allegations.
Incorrect use of “gaslight”.
“Larps” may work better.
Lehmann can be a Wendish name.
If so, she’s got that in common with Ludwig Leichhardt.
Unless you were an RAN sailor you got nothing.
Gee, thanks Muds – Nothing like some Brunettes.
A Covid stupidity protest with a difference.
On Friday evening, Archbishop Hickey in Perth led a Prayer for Australia rally on the steps of WA’s Parliament House. No slogans shouted, no banners held high, just a group of Christians who fell onto their knees to pray for Australia, quite a moving assembly.
A Prayer for Australia: 3rd December 2021 – Perth, Western Australia.
Looks like the BAR and .50 pics are from a sub – not much room for PWs.
Fellas, I wanna get into it man …
You know, like an unmentionable masheen … 🙂
Cash appears to be a particularly unpleasant bitch.
Cash worked at Freehills when I was there. I spent a couple of months at the Perth office where she was based, then later she had a stint at the Melbourne office where I was based. I didn’t really know her, but I never heard anyone say a bad word about her.
If you haven’t read it, Aaron posted a remarkable article earlier.
It gives an incredible oversight of the failings of the Covid vaccine program from a non-biased perspective.
Really worth taking an hour to read (it’s a significant document). You won’t regret it, and it’ll put a few things into perspective.
If everyone in Australia read it, we’d be half way to fixing our problems.
Good post, Aaron.
Needle Points
So that makes it ok to machine gun merchant seamen in the water.
Glad you cleared that up for me.
cohenite, politicians and others with a bit of edge in the power/money stakes have always availed themselves of bits on the side. It rarely matters in terms of their competence or incompetence at their jobs.
In the current miasma of guilt and blame and public indignation surrounding politicians, absurd and random things can destroy their carefully curated careers.
That prick Cuomo, who did a Dan and ensured the deaths of thousands of people in aged care facilities, only fell because he was also a groper and a sleaze.
It was like Al Capone being done for tax evasion.
It is always tempting to assume that low morals have something to do with in/competence in public office, but there is not a lot of historical support for that proposition.
That or the sharks, I guess.
Hey, Goil – you don’t know what’s going on … 🙂
Never heard that one, but it all depends.
Harold Holt was a legendary pants man but he kept it private and did his day job well.
Did The Tudgester promise to marry Rachelle to get into her pants?
That’s a bird of a different feather.
Plus, he’s been a poor Minister.
Tony Abbott started the Bring Back Phonics bullshit.
It’s just a 3 word slogan, means nothing.
“That’s when I realised that he was a fucking idiot”!
Trump, you great big beautiful thug, love ya.
This. In that monstrous windbag shitshop.
The thing I find most degrading about the Tudge (what an unfortunate name!) saga is that a woman would have so little self respect as to tell the whole world a story like that.
Even if it happened the way she said, the mental images evoked have a high yuck factor.
The nondescript, plastic hotel room, the stinky drunken couple, the slurred insults.
What sort of motivation is there for someone to send that picture of themselves out to the whole world?
Thanks for that Old bloke, it was great to hear my choice of what should have been our National Anthem, sung so well –
https://youtu.be/6PNIeK_ijNQ?t=247
God Bless Australia
Here in this God given land of ours, Australia
This proud possession, our own piece of earth
That was built by our fathers, who pioneered our heritage,
Here in Australia, the land of our birth.
God bless Australia, Our land Australia,
Home of the ANZAC, the strong and the free
It’s our homeland, our own land,
To cherish for eternity,
God bless Australia, The land of the free.
Here in Australia, we treasure love and liberty,
Our way of life, all for one, one for all
We’re a peace loving race, but should danger ever threaten us,
Let the world know we will answer the call
God bless Australia, Our land Australia,
Home of the ANZAC, the strong and the free
It’s our homeland, our own land,
To cherish for eternity,
God bless Australia, The land of the free.
As promised, a big day.
Earlier, waaaaay back this morning I mentioned that lots of jacks were fed up with enforcing ever-changing edicts from unelected dunderheads.
I can’t link from here, but if one were to look up the NT Independent site and head for a piece with the words Erosion, Trust and Integrity in the title, you will find an actual resignation letter from an NT jack with 24 years in, along with details of what those two and a half decades got him.
It is, I can assure you, 100% factual.
The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Rachelle going public hopefully means it doesn’t happen to anyone else.
Yeah, I Know, Bill Shorten.
The System appears to be:
Female Staffer becomes an embarrassment, she’s transferred to Cash’s Office, where she’s managed out of the Organisation.
Sounds pretty cold blooded to me.
Melbourne, in front of the ABC yesterday
One way to deal with segregation.
Demonstrators invade a Christmas market in Luxembourg, access to which is restricted by vaccine passports.
Paul Weston – EU President Ursula von der Leyen Resurrects Fascism In Europe
Unless you were an RAN sailor you got nothing.
I wear the whites, but I never served.
And I know my way around the poop deck.
Shines, as she does, like justice …
Crikey, that sounds bad.
*Mental note, don’t put that in the campaign material.
I notice she was an acting senior sergeant, February last year.
Someone is being groomed for a top slot in the corporation.
The New Culture Forum: Neil Oliver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8NTHyucXwc
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you knew it was going to happen, peoples … 🙂
A goil in a short skirt and a long jacket (with bonus jackboots) …
At least one decent copper in the territory. Shame he’s leaving.
He’ll find life is better on the outside.
WW2 footage 2:20 to 3 minutes is uncomfortable
That is very fucking ordinary.
lotocoti,
Bam.
“If you haven’t read it, Aaron posted a remarkable article earlier”.
Glad you enjoyed it and thought it interesting
And it looks like Australian “peacekeepers” are going to do the Chicom’s dirty work for them in the Solomons.
Well the cops and the ADF have been doing it here for a while. Nasty fascist goons. I hope their mothers are proud.
The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Rachelle going public hopefully means it doesn’t happen to anyone else.
Yeah, I Know, Bill Shorten.
There is a slight difference between claiming to have been raped, and claiming that after having allowed herself to be bonked by a married man she got snippy because he didn’t treat her with respect.
The System appears to be:
Female Staffer becomes an embarrassment, she’s transferred to Cash’s Office, where she’s managed out of the Organisation.
Sounds pretty cold blooded to me.
Even assuming that were accurate, what would your alternative approach be?
Transferring someone away from the married bloke they’ve let themselves get bonked by and now have a grudge against sounds sensible – especially transferring them somewhere where the boss is female so repeat performance /allegation won’t occur.
Have just come across this interesting piece of history:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dunn_(activist)
The founder of the Scottish hay rights movement an apologist for pesos! The history the ABC (remember Richard Neville and Jon Stephens), SMH, Age and Gillard-McClellan royal commission don’t want you to know about.
American Thinker
Children are the Faultline in the Covid Vaccine Narrative that Exposes the Fraud
My Kingdom for an “edit” function.
Rickw,
Don’t judge their actions by todays standards.
They were fighting a treacherous and merciless enemy.
Different rules. And they won.
A bimbette went from acting sgt. to acting commander in a year?
Let’s put this in perspective.
This is like being a jumped up army cpl., usually in command of a fire team, to temporarily be the leader of a section (two fire teams) – to being a Lt. Col, the on ground commander of a battalion – 600 soldiers and maybe up to 1000 with support detachments.
In a year: with no extra training, qualifications and literally only a year more experience (when the public is literally locked up).
Remarkable to say the least.
Not even if they were the sole survivor of the Battalion.
There’s an account in James Phelps’s book “Australian Code Breakers” of the survivors of the German ships, “Nurnberg” and “Leipzig”, sunk at the Falkland Islands, in 1914, being machine gunned in the water. (Page 288,)
What? As reinforced platoon and some FedPol policemen going in to attempt to keep several hundred or several thousand angry people apart?
Blimey- This Our Rulers Are Paid, Boot-licking Stooges For Beijing meme is starting to bear some weird fruit…
Redheads, Pol?
Where the hell did they come from?
Let’s have some normality.
Given Grigory’s revulsion at such a process (designed to keep toxic/feuding parties apart from each other, but still preserving their employment within the Public Service until the disciplinary process has completed or one or both parties’ positions are no longer tenable) we hope that he never makes or has a complaint upheld against him…
CaptainMike
@CaptainMikeFDNY
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7 THINGS THAT DO NO EXIST IN REALITY
There is no Biden presidency except for the CCP
There is no covid crisis except for Fauci
There is no immigration crisis except for an EO
There is no energy crisis except for an EO
There is no race crisis except for BLM
There is no gender crisis except for academia / hollywood
There is no January 6 insurrection except for Pelosi
Dot says:
December 5, 2021 at 10:45 pm
In a year: with no extra training, qualifications and literally only a year more experience (when the public is literally locked up).
Remarkable to say the least.
She probably has already committed to bashing & shooting dissidents – what’s not to like??
Amazing the left have pushed the Jan 6 narrative so much, yet the CIA have at least 10 pedophiles the US have refused to prosecute.
There’s no such thing as the swamp?
I am astonished how people are blind to this.
Rex Anger says:
December 5, 2021 at 10:51 pm
And it looks like Australian “peacekeepers” are going to do the Chicom’s dirty work for them in the Solomons.
What? As reinforced platoon and some FedPol policemen going in to attempt to keep several hundred or several thousand angry people apart?
Blimey- This Our Rulers Are Paid, Boot-licking Stooges For Beijing meme is starting to bear some weird fruit…
Of course, Scummo is working for his CCP masters – think of the optics if CCP troops went in there to sort out their quisling government.
Unrest in the Solomons will be child’s play compared to what will probably eventually happen in PNG.
Given that we are not going in uninvited (which seems to be tbe assumption that gives the meme oxygen), and that China has its ‘soft power’ hooks in every Asia-Pacific leader in some way, shape or form (Just as the US and even we do), and China has never once acted in a peacekeeping role anywhere in its history (The people have never been known to be good neighbours. Ask Vietnam), do you not think the meme might be just a little over-egged?
After all, this time a decade ago, at the desperate request of the Solomons Government (much like now), the ADF regularly rotated an entire Rifle Company Group through the place. Initially 3RAR (whose sole fatality was a digger who fell to his death in an unmarked well while patrolling), then the various Reserve Brigades until around 2011-12.
RAMSI was the mission. I knew of it as Operation Anode. And as you see, it ran from 2003 to 2017 in various iterations.
And it wasn’t seen as a problem until now?
Rex – aren’t the current problems in the Solomons due to Chinese money / influence & unhappy locals who blame their government? A bit like here – we know our government is not working for us but they are working for someone.
Can the name Bunkie be revived in 2022?
Weren’t the Solomon Islanders disarmed the last time “peacekeepers “ went there? How remarkably prescient of someone.
Looks like a tranny
Australian basketball star Liz Cambage suffers an EMBARRASSING blow after joining OnlyFans and her heated clash with the Nigerian team in Las Vegas cost her a spot at the Olympics
Fat Tony,
The Solomon Islands Prime Minister is flat out offering money to MPs to vote for him.
It’s at Michael Smith news but I can’t link.
Fresh Frederick. Or Frederika.
A lot of it is down to basic tribalism, and a mutual hatred and suspicion of the ethnic Chinese merchant class. Certainly not helped by CCP money and attempts to win ‘favour,’ colonialist-style (I.E. Buy off all the big men, in the vain hope that something useful may come out of it)…
Mr Ed
The message is that The Tudgester is a sleaze and he’s not the only one.
Given that the Liars and the Slime seem to operate a permanent game of musical beds, that statement applies more to them than to the eternally stupid Lieborals.
Top Ender:
The perp gets more coverage than the victim.
So she knew this? She should be charged for not alerting the medical team responsible.
That’sweet kid’ just butchered a woman, and she thinks of the impact on her own family.
rickw:
No, rick. The Brahmin Class are quite happy with their policies. Those policies are based on the fact that they are in no danger themselves, and the people they import or refuse to gaol only seek victims from the peasants.
Meanwhile they get to award themselves virtue gongs for their ‘humanity’.
Roger:
Could you keep us up to date on this one please?
My day is just about totally full.
mem:
Jonathan Kneebone is a backer.
Solar panels to last 100,000 years – we can’t even make them last for 100 bloody years!
So I suggest we all have a go at suggesting contents.
My suggestion is:
1. The original glitter coated turd, mounted on the clean end.
I looked for JC’s video of President Trump calling General Milley “a fucking idiot” and did a search for it.
No video found using Brave.
Bullshit, thinks Winston.
It’s on Rumble.
Here – for your enjoyment.
Twostix:
After the Revolution, we shall have a purge.
All of these bullshit sinecures that we’ve erected and have now shown themselves to be utterly gutless shall be torn out – root and branch.
Then we will forbid any of the PS who worked in them shall ever work for the people again.
Calli:
When this lunacy is over – and it will end – our society is going to be very aware of the informer types that live with us.
It is not going to be pleasant.
Arky:
I understand the ‘booster’ is the same vaccine that was originally touted as the ‘cure’ Is this correct?
Twostix:
Damn straight they will.
The pricks want everyone shot up so there’s no control group.
Arky:
Four Monty Python skits? Looxury!
We were so poor, we could only hear the neighbours TV from a cardboard box in the middle of the road! We were so deprived of Monty Python skits, we had to decode the snap! crackle! and pop! from our cold breakfast gravel that we had to eat before we got up because we weren’t sent to bed until then!
What looxury!
🙂
What about the cheese shop?