3,491 thoughts on “Open Thread – Mon 14 Feb 2022”

  1. With COVID so many conservatives were arguing the government response was a back door to full totalitarian regimes but governments are now backtracking.

    We will see their ratchet method at work. Back off and let everyone think things are back to normal. Go even further next time.

    They’ve ratcheted the fuck out of us over the last 50 years, the country is barely recognisable.


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  2. JC says:
    February 18, 2022 at 6:32 pm
    USSR

    Those drugs you’re on to help with the delusions? They aren’t working.

    JC, that misnaming and bloody stupid insult stopped working back before Facebook & Twitter existed.


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  3. “Anchor Whatsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:49 pm
    If you want to watch Muster Dogs, a production of a type that the ABC should do, and has done, but (it seems) rather quickly deletes from iView, where do you go next?
    I just went looking for it and found that the first episode I could access on iView was #4.
    Another fail, unless there’s a way to get the full series.”

    Yep..it’s superb and a joy to watch.


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  4. With COVID so many conservatives were arguing the government response was a back door to full totalitarian regimes but governments are now backtracking.

    No backtracking on the vaccine mandates.


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  5. The people who go on about the old cat, which was a good site, which is now continuing by a much better host, must realise the useless fat bald lying economist was just a cover that sold himself out.
    I will put a pound to a piece of shit he voted for Mandela in the South African election & when they won & he knew the country was fkd the slippery pos legged it to Australia & sucked up to a bullshit taxpayer funded position.
    Prove me wrong.


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  6. “We will see their ratchet method at work. Back off and let everyone think things are back to normal. Go even further next time.

    They’ve ratcheted the fuck out of us over the last 50 years, the country is barely recognisable.”

    Yep. And I certainly don’t trust any of our governments, federal or state.


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  7. Runnybumsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:58 pm
    The people who go on about the old cat, which was a good site, which is now continuing by a much better host, must realise the useless fat bald lying economist was just a cover that sold himself out.
    I will put a pound to a piece of shit he voted for Mandela in the South African election & when they won & he knew the country was fkd the slippery pos legged it to Australia & sucked up to a bullshit taxpayer funded position.
    Prove me wrong.

    Shut up you puffed up, pre hypertensive, illiterate buck toothed shithead.

    He voted for the DA and constantly shilled for them.

    You can’t even troll properly, you mentally defective piece of dogshit.


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  8. I will put a pound to a piece of shit he voted for Mandela in the South African election & when they won & he knew the country was fkd the slippery pos legged it to Australia & sucked up to a bullshit taxpayer funded position.
    Prove me wrong.

    Sancho has gone nuts again.


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  9. Why did the AFP need super dooper LRADs and not a PA for public communication if, by their own estimate, there was only 6-10,000 people in the crowd?

    Problem is, we don’t have a competent corporate media to ask these questions.


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  10. Why did the AFP need super dooper LRADs and not a PA for public communication if, by their own estimate, there was only 6-10,000 people in the crowd?

    What idiot wrote this?


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  11. John H
    Apartheid by any other name is enforced in Melbourne. Nothing to do with alarmist sky is falling stuff. Likewise with the transgender travesties regarding which it is also not alarmist to note that women are mocked as is womanhood. Men and manhood, too. Humanity itself is mocked, belittled, dehumanised. Call the denoting of dehumanising practices ‘scaremongering’ if you’re ok with it to any extent. Otherwise, reject it.


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  12. Good to see that yet again you went with your personally allowed editing of what someone actually said, in your pathetic effort to justify your vilification of them.

    90% of the time we don’t understand what you say without the benefit of licking toads.


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  13. Donald J Trump

    So, Crooked Hillary Clinton, one of the most corrupt politicians ever to run for President, can break into the White House, my apartment, buildings I own, and my campaign—in other words, she can spy on a Presidential candidate and ultimately the President of the United States—and the now totally discredited Fake News Media does everything they can not to talk about it. On the other hand, failed Gubernatorial candidate, Letitia James, can run for the office of AG on saying absolutely horrendous and false things about Donald Trump, a man she doesn’t know and has never met, go on to get elected, and then selectively prosecute him and his family. After viewing millions of pages of documents over many years, they come up with a “Fringe Benefits” case on a car, an apartment, and on grandchildren’s education. She is doing everything within their corrupt discretion to interfere with my business relationships, and with the political process. With the rest of the case, even Cy Vance, who just left the DA’s office without prosecuting anything additional, because there isn’t anything additional to prosecute—THERE IS NO CASE! The targeting of a President of the United States, who got more votes while in office than any President in History, by far, and is a person that the Radical Left Democrats don’t want to run again, represents an unconstitutional attack on our Country—and the people will not allow this travesty of justice to happen. It is a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt in history—and remember, I can’t get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary. It is not possible!


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  14. Frank says:
    February 18, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    I’m willing to assume, without needing to read vast reams of autobiographical self-approbation, that the vast majority of Cats have some or all of the following:
    (a) experience of hardships and setbacks;
    (b) commendable qualifications;
    (c ) success in life;
    (d) a track record of generosity and public contributions;
    (e ) affluence.

    Guess I’m fucked then.

    If we could just change (e) affluence to (e) effluence then I may qualify to.

    Maybe.


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  15. Runnybumsays:

    February 18, 2022 at 7:12 pm

    Head Prefect, serious question, do you like humans?

    I tell you what I don’t like.
    People who are no-shows when they are summoned to a meeting.


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  16. It is important that people get to see the real Cassie’s behaviour towards those she deems beneath her and not only how she presents herself when sucking up to Political & Media ‘elite’ & ‘movers & shakers’, despite how often some of them don’t deserve any of the deference she gives them.

    It’s important because people need to know the character of those who will treat old ‘friends’ like shit when those old ‘friends’ are no longer of social/political value to them.

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    February 18, 2022 at 6:33 pm

    “Then why don’t you email her, personally, as a friend and tell her that, like you do when plotting a cat pack attack with her?”

    I warned you slag heap. I do email Lizzie…regularly. And no, we don’t plan “cat attacks”. Have you checked your medication lately? Maybe you need to either stop taking your pills or take more pills.

    Now fuck off

    Oh and yeah, you, Lizzie and others can’t help but remind us all of your many emails & get togethers, when you are in one of your not infrequent, ‘isolate the person pissing you off and attack them with numbers’, drives … just like High School Mean Girls do and never grow out of thanks to their simps.


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  17. Why did the AFP need super dooper LRADs and not a PA for public communication if, by their own estimate, there was only 6-10,000 people in the crowd?

    Unless there is something new going on then they didn’t seem to be used, more likely they were there in case a storm the Parliament House type scenario took place, to fend off a rampaging crowd eager to take selfies in somebody’s office.

    If I was the mouthpiece for the police that is the angle I would take.


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  18. Well, that’s not an outright denial, so it needn’t be a cause of further dispute when I stick to my story.
    Actually we may be making slight progress. She’s not attempting to deny that such a performance would have been downmarket showboating.

    Go bag your head, Timothy Nielsen. You kept raving at me about an obvious arithmetic mismatch that a simple thumb check against reality could show was wrog. I had no argument about that, in fact I went to the trouble of analysing it against the original paper. Notwithstanding that, I still see, and have seen here since, that figure of 82% being bandied about here still as legitimate. As the NEJM conclude, it is not.


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  19. miltonfsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:07 pm
    TBH I don’t like the legal profession one little bit. I regard it as a hangover from the feudal system imposed on England in 1066.

    Cut this shit out now, FFS.

    1. You’re a monarchist anyway.
    2. The Normans were not that different than the Saxons, they were better, they outlawed slavery.
    3. The Saxons had slavery and their own form of feudalism.
    4. Lawyers only exist as a profession (as we know it) because of judges in eyre and terminer, the church funding universities, a desire to act within the rule of law at least in form if not spirit…and as for equity as a source of “law” it is because of the pre eminent position of the archbishop of Canterbury chosen as chancellor later on, but this was a powerful post well before 1066! Not only that, but because of several insurrections, rebellions and wars to which the king was held to account. Post 1066 England had a Peasants Revolt, pre 1066 England had literal chattel slavery (thralls). Blame the Vikings if you must but the Scandinavians traded and immigrated into and out of England before the Viking Wars…
    5. The Saxons had their own developed, hierarchical court system. Tithings, hundreds, shires…the King. Local courts, district courts, the supreme court, the High Court.
    6. The Saxon line remarried into the Norman line. All monarchs after Henry I (starting with Empress Matilda) have both Norman and Saxon (and pre Bruce and Stewart) royal bloodlines.
    7. The Feudal system more or less ended with the Tudors and they made the legal system much worse, starting with good intentions…


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  20. What is wrong with you.

    I am not normally inclined to read something taken out of context to justify an inflammatory confabulation and personal slur against a self-determined Class Enemy.

    Thank you for the link.

    No thank you for the false reproach.

    Have fun siding with the Anti-Tyrants like Struth and SRR. If you have not already found out, you will shortly discover that they are just as malevolent and capricious (and just as swift to deflect and justify their behaviour) as the Tyranny they purport to be fighting.


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  21. “srrsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:14 pm”

    Poor slag heap. She’s demented.

    As I’ve said to you before slag heap, I’m happy to ignore the shit you post here…I scroll your shit and I don’t want to engage with you. But when you come on here and you lie about me and others such as Lizzie, I’ll respond in kind. Everyday you come here and dissemble lies, some of which are defamatory which is why Sinclair didn’t tolerate you on the original Cat.

    Now once and for all…..piss off slag heap.

    I’m beginning to feel sorry for you slag heap. You need to check your medication.


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  22. TBH I don’t like the legal profession one little bit. I regard it as a hangover from the feudal system imposed on England in 1066.

    That’s different. A tad Dickensian but points for innovation. Lawyers are certainly overrepresented in Parliament but that is probably because they have so few other marketable skills.


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  23. srr says:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:57 pm
    JC says:
    February 18, 2022 at 6:32 pm
    USSR

    Those drugs you’re on to help with the delusions? They aren’t working.
    JC, that misnaming and bloody stupid insult stopped working back before Facebook & Twitter existed.

    Oh yea, Twitter and Facebook- the two sites that banned you for being a complete fucking lunatic? Those two?

    Fuck off USSR, you worthless, demented piece of shit.


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  24. feelthebern says:
    February 18, 2022 at 6:53 pm
    Speaking of Jewish folk, they should make a TV series about a guy called Heshy Tischler in NY.
    Amongst other things, he’s involved in conflict resolution within the Jewish community.
    Some of his stories are stranger than fiction.

    Speaking of NY Jewish folk, one of my nephews near relatives –

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judd_Hirsch


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  25. There has been an awful lot of biff on the Cat over the last day or so. I am not complaining, as I have said in the past, I am partial to a bit of biff myself. So, (can I still use “so”?), I thought I would organise an inaugural performance of an Operetta by the Catallaxy Music and Theatrical Society.

    Beginning tonight, for an unlimited run, I present for your enjoyment;

    One Night in Vaucluse.


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  26. Have fun siding with the Anti-Tyrants like Struth and SRR. If you have not already found out, you will shortly discover that they are just as malevolent and capricious (and just as swift to deflect and justify their behaviour) as the Tyranny they purport to be fighting.

    Says the fuckwit who always tries to put me in with other people. A left wing habit. Typical Unionist type behaviour. Next he’ll be calling me a scab.
    He can’t win so he tries to “group” me with others.
    Frank does the same thing. A sign of total intellectual failure.


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  27. Lord Rich, the Baron Sir Richard Rich of Leez, Speaker of the Commons, Solicitor General of England and Wales and Lord Chancellor of England, now, he was a real piece of shit!


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  28. Unless there is something new going on then they didn’t seem to be used, more likely they were there in case a storm the Parliament House type scenario took place, to fend off a rampaging crowd eager to take selfies in somebody’s office.

    Why would the AFP think that since everybody knows that January 6 was an FBI Production from start to finish?


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  29. Anchor What says:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:49 pm
    If you want to watch Muster Dogs, a production of a type that the ABC should do, and has done, but (it seems) rather quickly deletes from iView, where do you go next?
    I just went looking for it and found that the first episode I could access on iView was #4.
    Another fail, unless there’s a way to get the full series.

    Training a pup like that myself using the same methods.
    Seven months old and already moving to my hand and voice commands. Starting to back sheep and shows no fear.
    Stopping on command and coming off the sheep on my call is the next step.


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  30. Pharaoh has spoken! Unvaccinated Sandgropers are allowed into bottle shops!

    Unvaccinated people allowed to enter bottle shops in WA as State reaches 95 per cent double-dose vaxxed
    Briana Fiore
    The West Australian
    Fri, 18 February 2022 4:03PM

    Unvaccinated people will now be allowed to re-enter WA bottle shops, with 95 per cent of the population double jabbed.

    After revealing WA would drop its hard border on March 3, Premier Mark McGowan said providing proof of vaccination for entry into liquor stores would no longer be required.

    Mr McGowan said the change would come into effect immediately, meaning staff will no longer have to cop abuse for asking customers to show evidence of their COVID vaccination history.

    “This has been done ahead of a review of other proof of vaccination and contact registration measures given that we’re entering the next phase of the pandemic,” Mr McGowan said.

    Unvaccinated people have been banned from pubs, nightclubs and bars — but Mr McGowan did not drop the vaccine mandates for those venues during his Friday afternoon press conference.

    The bottle shop mandate arrived on January 31 and had angered several small business owners.

    At the time, Mr McGowan warned the mandates could last for years — but the bottle shop mandate lasted less than a month.

    Liquor Stores Association WA president Peter Peck said the industry was delighted with the news.



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  31. Why didn’t Nicole Flint name in parliament her male Labor tormentors? Just alluding to them as “you know who you are” is weak and useless. She is in parliament and can name and shame and not be sued. A missed opportunity.


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  32. “Crossiesays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm
    Why didn’t Nicole Flint name in parliament her male Labor tormentors? Just alluding to them as “you know who you are” is weak and useless. She is in parliament and can name and shame and not be sued. A missed opportunity.”

    I thought the same thing……however it wasn’t specifically “Labor’….it was hypocritical men on the left. She should have named the likes of Mike Carlton.


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  33. At the time, Mr McGowan warned the mandates could last for years — but the bottle shop mandate lasted less than a month.

    Sure, Drunks are always gonna be able to buy drink, but what about Local Government Vax Mandates preventing The Great Unvaxxed from working?
    It’s being rolled out in Queensland.


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  34. I see the venom tipplers are still sipping.
    No I wouldn’t have gone to Canberra, wrong target and a pyrrhic protest when the mandate passport lockdown regime in all it’s crass stupid cowardly overreacting nanny state nonsense is coming to an end.
    And yes emergency powers should be limited to war and civil unrest, as some of us have saying since 2020.
    I believe that is ldp policy.
    Is it so very terrible to believe that the act police didn’t unleash a sonic weapon on an unsuspecting crowd, any more that NSW Police unleashed one on an unsuspecting blm crowd in June 2020?
    Why yes yes it is.
    And yes I will mock the ludicrous crowd estimates of 3 million 1.5 million 200 000 even 100,000 in a city of 426 000 when the only thing disrupted was a charity book fair at the camping groups.


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  35. Says the fuckwit who always tries to put me in with other people.

    You did notice that Indolent was defending you, correct?

    You are an Anti-Tyrant, correct? As in, you are against the Tyranny we are all experiencing?


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  36. She is in parliament and can name and shame and not be sued. A missed opportunity.

    Not for much longer.
    Basically, she lost her marbles over a Twitter troll calling itself Friendly Jordies.
    In other words, it was all about Nicolle.
    My guess is that she’s a lawyer, so as long as she doesn’t name names she’ll still be employable.


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  37. Unvaccinated people allowed to enter bottle shops in WA as State reaches 95 per cent double-dose vaxxed

    Science!

    New restrictions will be introduced in Western Australia as local COVID-19 case numbers continue to hit record highs.

    The state reported 194 community cases on Friday – the highest daily infection figure since the start of the pandemic – up from 177 on Thursday, 115 on Wednesday and 48 on Tuesday.

    Booze is not “restrictions” though, presumably.

    Mask mandate extended statewide, density limits introduced: McGowan announces restrictions amid record COVID-19 cases (Sky News, 18 Feb)

    I like how some restrictions are more equal than other restrictions. I wonder if a certain demographic is involved?


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  38. Dutch sorry for ‘extreme violence’ against Indonesians

    By Jan Hennop
    AFP
    3:09PM February 18, 2022
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    The Netherlands Prime Minister has apologised to Indonesia after a study found that the Dutch army used “systematic and ­extreme violence” during Indonesia’s independence war.

    Dutch forces burned villages and carried out mass detentions, torture and executions during the 1945-49 conflict, often with tacit government support, the four-year study by Dutch and ­Indonesian researchers said.

    The findings shattered the long-held official Dutch line that there were only isolated incidents of excessive violence by its forces as the colony it had held for 300 years broke away.

    “Today, on behalf of the Dutch government, I present my deepest excuses to the people of Indonesia for the systematic and extreme violence from the Dutch side in those years,” Prime Minister Mark Rutte told a press conference.

    Mr Rutte said he was also sorry for the “subsequent blind eye by various previous Dutch governments”.

    “We also apologise to all those living in The Netherlands who had to live with the consequences of the colonial war in ­Indonesia, including those war veterans who did behave appropriately.”

    It is not the first apology by The Netherlands to Indonesia, as Dutch King Willem-Alexander formally apologised during a visit to Indonesia in 2020 for “excessive violence” during the war.

    But it the first acknowledgment that there was effectively a deliberate campaign of violence.

    The study is the latest step in The Netherlands’ recent attempts to grapple with its brutal colonial past, and wider efforts by former imperial powers around the world.

    “The research shows that the vast majority of those who bore responsibility on the Dutch side – politicians, officers, civil servants, judges and others – had or could have had knowledge of the systematic use of extreme violence,” the researchers said.

    “There was a collective willingness to condone, justify and conceal it, and to let it go unpunished. All of this happened with a view to the higher goal: that of winning the war,” they said.

    War crimes were first ­revealed by a former Dutch veteran in 1969, but ever since then the official viewpoint has been that while “excesses” may have happened, Dutch forces on the whole behaved correctly.

    The new research shatters that myth.

    The crimes “included mass detentions, torture, burning of kampongs (homesteads), executions and killing of civilians”, Frank van Vree, a war history professor at the University of Amsterdam, said during an online presentation of the research.

    Indonesia declared independence in 1945 shortly after Japanese occupation in World War II. But the Dutch wanted to ­retain their former colony, sending troops to quell the independence uprising, finally with­drawing in 1949.



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  39. Someone left their wallet on the train.
    Had to embarrass myself yelling down the platform to let them know.
    He was racing back anyhow.
    Back to France. Couldn’t buy ticket for the entire journey here. Online says trip time will be 9 hours. No.
    Buy it at the station on the French side I guess.


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  40. The Netherlands Prime Minister has apologised to Indonesia after a study found that the Dutch army used “systematic and ­extreme violence” during Indonesia’s independence war.

    Someone used “systematic and ­extreme violence” during a war? Golly, that’s a surprise.
    I’d be more surprised if they didn’t.

    The Dutch fought and bled in WW2 for the locals. Maybe they shouldn’t bothered.


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  41. H B Bearsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:51 pm
    Institutionalised apartheid.

    Still waiting for a Covid Mandela.

    Yet everyone knows the triple vax’d spread it around just as easily. So their plan will do nothing.


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  42. Someone said I was ‘wealthy’
    That’s ‘wealthy and privileged’ if you don’t mind.
    It’s curious how on this forum calling people ‘wealthy’ is considered an insult.
    And there was me thinking I was just a good saver.


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  43. Goodness gracious me.

    Dragon Max Energy on the Cat today.

    Public discourse, bonhomie, anecdotes, plovers… the lot. A one stop cornucopia of high-end discussion.

    And srsrsrss.


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  44. Anchor What says:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:49 pm
    If you want to watch Muster Dogs, a production of a type that the ABC should do, and has done, but (it seems) rather quickly deletes from iView, where do you go next?
    I just went looking for it and found that the first episode I could access on iView was #4.
    Another fail, unless there’s a way to get the full series.

    All the episodes are on the ABC app which you sadly have to sign up for. I resisted for a long time but I rationalised it as something I’m paying my 8c a day for and shows like Muster Dogs make it worthwhile.


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  45. Says the fuckwit who always tries to put me in with other people.

    You did notice that Indolent was defending you, correct?

    You are an Anti-Tyrant, correct? As in, you are against the Tyranny we are all experiencing?

    Yep, not so much defending me rather than calling you the fuckwit, argumentative do nothing you have always been.
    You have a very undeserved high opinion of yourself. You will sit high and mighty on your pulpit discerning all information as bullshit until the truth smacks you in the face like a frozen mullet, and then call those that have shown you up, names.
    You speak, without permission for others and tell people to go elsewhere.
    People like myself who were at the cat before you knew it existed.
    Years before.

    In other times and other situations than the one our country finds itself in, people like you are ignored. However as a self confessed “anti tyrant” I find your behaviour reprehensible, irresponsible and pro tyranny.
    Honestly, you could have a bikie pumping away furiously behind you and you’d just deny his cock up your arse if you didn’t want to believe it was happening.
    And in these times, people like you are dangerous.


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  46. I’ll say this, because there were exCat – FlashCat comparisons made earlier.

    ExCat’s OTs would reach 2500 – maybe – comments over the course of an entire week. The only exceptions I can remember were the 2019 election thread, and one that was cut short due to The Big Threatened Punch On Over The Internet.

    This one’s pretty much standard length – 3320 comments now, and that’s just since Monday without the weekend traffic.

    Dover, this is superb. This is what happens when you let people say ‘balls’ on an OT.

    *golf clap*


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  47. Heard a doozy of a story this evening.
    22 year old bloke had a bad reaction after his second jab.
    All heart related.
    There’s a few options on the table, but the family is thinking about heading to the US to look at other options.
    They’re minted but not private jet minted, which is looking like the biggest issue, getting there.
    It’s just so sad.


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  48. 1. You’re a monarchist anyway. neither here nor there
    2. The Normans were not that different than the Saxons, they were better, they outlawed slavery. very different- they spoke French
    3. The Saxons had slavery and their own form of feudalism. and?- being a serf was being a slave
    4. Lawyers only exist as a profession (as we know it) because of judges in eyre and terminer, the church funding universities, a desire to act within the rule of law at least in form if not spirit…and as for equity as a source of “law” it is because of the pre eminent position of the archbishop of Canterbury chosen as chancellor later on, but this was a powerful post well before 1066! Not only that, but because of several insurrections, rebellions and wars to which the king was held to account. Post 1066 England had a Peasants Revolt, pre 1066 England had literal chattel slavery (thralls). Blame the Vikings if you must but the Scandinavians traded and immigrated into and out of England before the Viking Wars…ok
    5. The Saxons had their own developed, hierarchical court system. Tithings, hundreds, shires…the King. Local courts, district courts, the supreme court, the High Court. ok
    6. The Saxon line remarried into the Norman line. All monarchs after Henry I (starting with Empress Matilda) have both Norman and Saxon (and pre Bruce and Stewart) royal bloodlines. so what
    7. The Feudal system more or less ended with the Tudors and they made the legal system much worse, starting with good intentions…if you say so


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  49. No I wouldn’t have gone to Canberra, wrong target and a pyrrhic protest when the mandate passport lockdown regime in all it’s crass stupid cowardly overreacting nanny state nonsense is coming to an end.

    How did you get so Mong?


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  50. “shows like Muster Dogs make it worthwhile.”

    Yep…sublime.

    All dogs are from heaven, sent by God…..but kelpies and cattle dogs are special.


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  51. No I wouldn’t have gone to Canberra, wrong target and a pyrrhic protest when the mandate passport lockdown regime in all it’s crass stupid cowardly overreacting nanny state nonsense is coming to an end.

    God help us.


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  52. Rex Angersays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:24 pm
    What is wrong with you.

    I am not normally inclined to read something taken out of context to justify an inflammatory confabulation and personal slur against a self-determined Class Enemy.

    Thank you for the link.

    No thank you for the false reproach.

    Have fun siding with the Anti-Tyrants like Struth and SRR. If you have not already found out, you will shortly discover that they are just as malevolent and capricious (and just as swift to deflect and justify their behaviour) as the Tyranny they purport to be fighting.

    You nailed it:

    “The slave starts by begging for justice and ends up wanting to wear a crown. He too wants to dominate.” Camus, The Rebel.


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  53. 200,000 people in Canberra isn’t unreasonable, perhaps the upper limit.

    You can pack 80,000 people into the NRL main stadium, 90,000 into the MCG.

    There is an awful lot of empty space in Canberra.

    Rough estimate – even if everyone “socially distances” and were in a rectangular grid, over 2.9 million people could stand on the silhouette of the surface of Lake Burley Griffin.


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  54. Seeing as how Lizzie’s now gone forever again, I will pay special mention to her last words here, at 12.13 p.m.

    And 1.54 p.m.

    And 2.18 p.m., 4.07 p.m., 6.06, 6.37 and 8.19.

    Tickets are now on sale for the Comeback Tours of 20, 21, 22, 23, 25 and 27 February.

    Entry for Audi drivers or better only. Medical assistance provided by an all-Irish crack team of health professionals.

    Must provide proof of sandstone entrance at domicile. No pebblecreters.


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  55. feelthebernsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 9:03 pm
    Heard a doozy of a story this evening.
    22 year old bloke had a bad reaction after his second jab.
    All heart related.
    There’s a few options on the table, but the family is thinking about heading to the US to look at other options.
    They’re minted but not private jet minted, which is looking like the biggest issue, getting there.
    It’s just so sad.

    That just means it’s working.


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  56. The Dutch fought and bled in WW2 for the locals. Maybe they shouldn’t bothered.

    Dutch fighting and bleeding for the locals was always tempered by the inconvenient truth that the locals collaborated enthusiastically on many occasions with the Japanese invaders. That may have had much to do with Dutch attitudes post 1945.

    Declaration – for whatever reason, I’ve passed several quite convivial evenings, sitting around club and restaurant tables, with a few Dutch veterans of that campaign. Does my reputation suffer, in any way?


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  57. JMH at 6.13:

    If you were on Sinc’s blog – there is a similarity between this woman and the disturbed “Ellie”

    Both used the blog owner – or tried to – as top cover, along with very public and liberal applications of ‘I know the blog owner personally’.

    That’s the similarity.


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  58. Franxsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:03 pm
    John H
    Apartheid by any other name is enforced in Melbourne. Nothing to do with alarmist sky is falling stuff. Likewise with the transgender travesties regarding which it is also not alarmist to note that women are mocked as is womanhood. Men and manhood, too. Humanity itself is mocked, belittled, dehumanised. Call the denoting of dehumanising practices ‘scaremongering’ if you’re ok with it to any extent. Otherwise, reject it.

    On both sides of politics there is too much catastrophism. Be it climate, soil, population, pollution on the Left, or WOKE, COVID issues, or some secret cabal on the Right. And when their predictions of doom do not unfold rationalisation is the order of the day. It is enough to make me believe in Jung’s shadow concept. Look, there are problems in many areas but portraying these problems as leading to catastrophe is playing a political game not a rational or empirical one. Mencken noted that long ago. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

    If you want to play that game fine, it is just another reason why I think so much political debate has become so debased that I consider the paucity of reasonable and balanced insight to be a far bigger threat than the bogeyman that you are so worried about.


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  59. Speaking French? So what?

    All nobles and churchmen spoke Latin – spoken in England continuously since Caesar in 50 BC. The Danish Kings spoke Danish – ???

    3. The Saxons had slavery and their own form of feudalism. and?- being a serf was being a slave

    No.

    Serfs were below freeman (ceorls) but above cottars.

    Cottars were higher than slaves (thralls) – and slavery was permitted.

    The Tudors have more to do with baked in injustices than their tenuous Norman and Plantagenet ancestors.


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  60. @ John H.

    A video I was strongly reminded of after Struth’s latest denunciation of me-

    The March of the Damned: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hySxRX7uUJ0

    Skip a bit past the Rittenhouse scenario and listen to JustSomeGuy’s examination of hatred and how it morphs folks into their very enemies.

    I am sorry to say that I cannot see or hear any difference anymore between my State Premier, Trudeau, Biden, any of the more vehement members of the Establishment, and Struth.

    And I grieve that.

    As you said about Camus’ The Rebel…


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  61. Soldier accuses war hero Matt Locke of bullying in Roberts-Smith trial

    Perry Duffin
    Senior Court Reporter
    5:21PM February 18, 2022

    A fallen war hero has been dragged into Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation lawsuit after a soldier with “performance ­issues” told the court he was bullied and threatened in the SAS.

    Mr Roberts-Smith is suing Nine and its journalists over a ­series of articles claiming he was a war criminal who executed ­enemies and bullied his allies. He denies every allegation.

    SAS soldiers have been testifying against Mr Roberts-Smith, and in defence of Nine, including a soldier known only as Person 1.

    Person 1 previously told the court Mr Roberts-Smith threatened to put a bullet in the back of his head because he was not up to scratch for the SAS.

    The SAS soldier, the court had heard, had put Mr Roberts-Smith and the entire Australian patrol in peril after forgetting to bring vital machine gun oil to a Taliban gunfight in the Chora Valley in 2006.

    His “basic failure” left his troop, including Mr Roberts-Smith and Sergeant Matthew Locke, to fight off the Taliban that were advancing on their position.

    Mr Roberts-Smith last year told the court Locke climbed a cliff face to stop a Taliban fighter outflanking them – and from there he held off the advancing enemy while ­exposed to gunfire.

    The mission would earn Locke and Mr Roberts-Smith Medals for Gallantry. Locke, a close friend of Mr Roberts-Smith, was killed in ­action in October 2007 by the Taliban.

    Mr Roberts-Smith’s barrister Bruce McClintock SC, on Friday said Mr Roberts-Smith, Sergeant Locke and another senior soldier had all said Person 1 should be ­removed from SAS operations because he was a danger to himself and others. Mr McClintock said the criticisms would have been “devastating” and asked Person 1 if he believed Locke had bullied him.

    “You’re putting me in an awkward position to comment about an Australian war hero who can’t defend himself,” Person 1 said. “Matt Locke and I did not get along, I respected him as a soldier and I respected him as my 2IC.”

    Under further questioning Person 1 told the court Locke had bullied him and pointed to a gathering at a pub back in Australia. Person 1 said Locke asked everyone to leave so he could to speak to him.

    “He said I was a coward and I was incompetent and he would do everything he could to remove me from the unit,” Person 1 said.

    Locke’s widow, Leigh Locke-Thomas, told The Weekend Australian in 2018 she was disgusted her husband had been roped into the defamation case. “I think, you poor bastard, you went up, you did your job, you defended your country, you lose your life … and you still get people ­saying this,” she said.



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  62. All dogs are from heaven, sent by God…..but kelpies and cattle dogs are special.
    Still can’t get over corgis being bred as cattle dogs

    Border Collies are the Alpha of all the dogs!


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  63. All dogs are from heaven, sent by God

    Not as far as I’m concerned. They don’t like men on bicycles. I still have a leg only because antibiotics were available after a dobermann cross bit me a few years ago.

    but kelpies and cattle dogs are special

    Especially not blue cattle dogs. I was chased by one last week, on bicycle. This lady knows me perfectly well, which didn’t stop he chasing after me and trying to bite me. I got off bike and told her off, she was very confused by this. Strange creature with wheels suddenly became someone she knew. Dogs can be dumb as rocks sometimes.


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  64. Speaking French? So what?

    One language for the ruling class, English for the rest. Suggests that the English weren’t in charge of their own country anymore.

    The Tudors have more to do with baked in injustices than their tenuous Norman and Plantagenet ancestors.

    ok that’s interesting- I used to think the Tudors stabilized the place after the wars of the roses and Betty I saved them from the Spanish


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  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:19 pm
    [TN] Well, that’s not an outright denial, so it needn’t be a cause of further dispute when I stick to my story.
    Actually we may be making slight progress. She’s not attempting to deny that such a performance would have been downmarket showboating.

    E(L)B] Go bag your head, Timothy Nielsen. You kept raving at me about an obvious arithmetic mismatch that a simple thumb check against reality could show was wrog. I had no argument about that, in fact I went to the trouble of analysing it against the original paper. Notwithstanding that, I still see, and have seen here since, that figure of 82% being bandied about here still as legitimate. As the NEJM conclude, it is not.

    Firstly, your response is irrelevant to the actual quote from me you’re allegedly replying to.

    Secondly, it’s bullshit.
    Here’s where you first came in.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 11, 2021 at 4:59 pm
    ….It was such an elementary error I was astounded, for it showed the level of scientific incapability some of the anti-vaxxer population had. Not all of them, of course, but when such clear misinformation is peddled, it helps no-one sensible if it isn’t called out.

    More prancing denunciation…

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 11, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    Yes, as I had picked up. Good to see that the proper result has now been put into a form readable by people who obviously couldn’t read a scientific paper, even a basic one.

    I point out that the critics were using the authors’ own data…
    Timothy Neilsonsays:
    October 12, 2021 at 9:14 am

    Now the authors themselves have admitted that they wrongly used 827 as the denominator. They admitted that the real critique, that 827-700=127, was totally correct.

    Lizzie denies that the critics were using that data i.e. the 827 (inclusive of 700) and a 104 subset…

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 12, 2021 at 6:16 pm
    …it was very clear that there was an elementary confusion being made between the study population and the general population figures (perhaps trying to fit it into the back story of the table in the report). I don’t know what piece of wild imagining was going on in anti-vaxxland by this time about the incomplete way in which the data had been presented in the table I put up above, but the interpretation of the piece you put up was clearly confusing the two groups.

    I try to set her straight…

    Timothy Neilsonsays:
    October 12, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    No it didn’t. The critique about 827-700=127 clearly had nothing to do with any confusion with other data. You’ve utterly failed to explain how 827-700=127 could be derived from any such confusion. Because you can’t. You just keep asserting it and then handwaving.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:22 am
    … So 827-700=127 is irrelevant. Others took that number and ran with it and in the original two column data sheet I saw they were conflating the two columns to try and make sense of this number, which is one of which no sense whatsoever could be made.

    Yes, the cohort of 827 ‘completed’ pregnancies was poorly described in terms of spontaneous abortion. We do not know how many of the early trimester vaxxed were in it. Probably not many. As I’ve said from the start, promulgating the figure of 82% spontaneous abortions in a group of vaxxed women in gestation <20 weeks was promulgating something quite implausible which clearly was not happening.

    Lizzie dismisses the possibility that 82% can be derived from the data…

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 12:53 pm

    How various commenters then treated this disparity became error upon error. I saw one set of commenters in the link made by you or whoever some weeks ago shrieking that 82% of vaxxed women were aborting. They actually were trying to combine the study data with the ‘contrast’ population data to explain these numbers. Maybe they were more complete loonies in doing that than most.

    I point out the obvious…

    Timothy Neilsonsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    Are you sure they weren’t doing simple arithmetic?
    Like 104/127?
    Comes out to 81.8% as best I can calculate it.
    And that’s what all the critics were saying.

    Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to show one single place between the commencement of your prancing, 11 October 4.59 pm, and when I pointed out the obvious to you on 13 October 1.17 pm, when you adverted even implicitly to the fact that 104/(827-700)=82%, i.e. clearly the way the critics reached 82%, as I’d told you all along.


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  66. Dot says:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:05 pm

    Good to see that yet again you went with your personally allowed editing of what someone actually said, in your pathetic effort to justify your vilification of them.

    90% of the time we don’t understand what you say without the benefit of licking toads.

    Far … no wonder it took you so long to get your lawyering ticket.
    One of mine went from high school to Federally Licenced Specialist in half the time it took you to make the basics, but then we are a multi-cultural, multi-lingual family of people who enjoy reading for fun and listening to people from all walks of life, unlike those who think it’s a smart career move to suck up to those they think they can get something from and to talk down to those they believe are beneath them.


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  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
    February 18, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    Dutch fighting and bleeding for the locals was always tempered by the inconvenient truth that the locals collaborated enthusiastically on many occasions with the Japanese invaders.

    That’s surprising given that Javanese labour conscripts, in their hundreds of thousands, suffered greatly under Japanese imperial rule.


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  68. Timbo – give it a rest, Squire.

    Beating up on commenters, especially an ol’ ladee who’s been here for many years, is not a good look and this blog can do without out. Given there just might happen to much more important issues that a distinguished personage such as yourself could be discoursing about.

    Enough.


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  69. That’s surprising given that Javanese labour conscripts, in their hundreds of thousands, suffered greatly under Japanese imperial rule.

    I’ve seen figures of over a million Javanese conscripted for forced labor, but the deal was that Indonesian Nationalists collaborated, in exchange for Japanese support in spreading their message…


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  70. we are a multi-cultural, multi-lingual family of people who enjoy reading for fun and listening to people from all walks of life

    To be fair, I did warn people it’s the Fat Pizza/Housos family.


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  71. Ha ha.
    I call out choo choo man’s denialism and all of a sudden I’m a tyrant.
    The Justin Trudeau of cane toad county!
    I’ll admit, what this has done to people who were once sane is frightful.
    A little bit of commo pressure and they fall. The weaknesses exposed.
    Talk about witnessing smarts turning to shitfabrains when people refuse to face reality no matter what.
    Sad.
    You know, angry one, there are a lot of people here who don’t want to get involved and just want to lead a peaceful existence, but it doesn’t mean they can’t see the forest for the trees. It’s embarrassing.
    Indolent gave you a hint.


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  72. rosie says:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    No I wouldn’t have gone to Canberra, wrong target and a pyrrhic protest when the mandate passport regime ………. is coming to an end.

    Tiberius phones in another report on what’s happening to the plebs of Rome – from his villa on Capri.


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  73. but the deal was that Indonesian Nationalists collaborated

    Suharto amongst them, eagerly soaking up his lessons in Bushido-style contempt for lesser mortals.

    The Timorese later paid for that special training.


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  74. Suharto amongst them, eagerly soaking up his lessons in Bushido-style contempt for lesser mortals.

    Wasn’t Suharto cited as ” the most corrupt leader of modern times?” Some 30 billion dollars – U.S. – stuck to his fingers?


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  75. All is revealed.
    If you are catching the regional train from France to Spain the end of the line is Port Bou.
    If you are catching it from Spain to France the end of the line is on the other end of the tunnel in Cerbère.
    Great views of the Mediterranean coast and the Pyrenees along the way.
    Now continuing to backtrack, already been through Figueres, next Perpignan then change at Narbonne for the Bordeaux train. Bit of a wait in Narbonne but once again, it’s a gorgeous day.
    Ideally I would have travelled across Spain and re-entered France from the San Sebastian end.
    But then I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to visit Carcassone, which Im pleasee I managed to pronounce correctly enough to buy the right ticket without getting asked to repeat it five times.


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  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    February 18, 2022 at 9:59 pm
    That’s surprising given that Javanese labour conscripts, in their hundreds of thousands, suffered greatly under Japanese imperial rule.

    I’ve seen figures of over a million Javanese conscripted for forced labor, but the deal was that Indonesian Nationalists collaborated, in exchange for Japanese support in spreading their message…

    Originally the Japanese were hailed as liberators from Western colonialists. That feeling didn’t last long … .


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  77. ABC:

    Just one carefully placed false flag operation in Ukraine could unleash ‘the war machine’, expert says
    Russia is accused of staging “false flag” attacks — including the shelling of a kindergarten — as a pretext for invading Ukraine. So what is a “false flag” operation and who else has used them in the past?

    2022 is the year that “false flag” stopped being treated as a paranoid delusional conspiracy theory and began being treated by the mainstream as totally plausible conspiracy theory.
    Talk of False flag attacks are being normalised, Comrade. Which means whatever tactic is next just outside the Overton Window is going to be diabolical.


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  78. I see more absurd consternation about the audacity of commenting about what’s happening at home because I happen to be somewhere else.
    Tell me exactly how not currently being in a Melbourne suburb makes the slightest bit of difference.
    It’s not as if I haven’t been attacked over my views of the unfolding events over the last two years from the comfort of everyone else’s lounge.
    People who didn’t go to the Canberra protest spitting at me for not going to the Canberra protest.
    Priceless.


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  79. Originally the Japanese were hailed as liberators from Western colonialists. That feeling didn’t last long

    Being conscripted as slave labor on the Burma Railway would tend to disillusion one, yes.


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  80. One of mine went from high school to Federally Licenced Specialist in half the time it took you to make the basics

    It took your kid 1.5 years to do an undergrad degree? Plus the grad dip? Federal law licensing eh?

    Ma’am, you are talking out of your arse.

    Stop licking toads.


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  81. Gee JC & Cassie, I’m sure Sinc is mightily chuffed that the two of you never let anyone forget he’s no different to Twitter & Facebook in that they all have to ban those who break the Globalist Narrative they sell.

    Hey remember back before it got a name on social media, I explained to you all how & why shadow banning works and you mob laughed & told everyone what an old silly I was, who didn’t know how the internet worked?

    Good times.

    Yep, nice names & agendas you’ve tied him to, again & again & again while making sure no one ever forgets I’m not owned by any of those society destroying, manipulative bastards, for which I thank you very much.


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  82. Struthsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 10:01 pm

    Struth darling,

    You waste a lot of your own time by puffing yourself up. And proving every criticism made about your behaviour in the process.

    Why not just use the simple and honest “I don’t like Rex Anger/[Insert Someone/thing I Don’t Like] because he/she/it is a cunt and I don’t like him/her/it?”

    Since every last denunciation you have ever slung here (presumably even since you first discovered Catallaxy) has no basis in objective fact, but is simply to demonstrate how low you think everyone else is relative to yourself, why not just keep it simple?


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  83. Hey remember back before it got a name on social media, I explained to you all how & why shadow banning works and you mob laughed & told everyone what an old silly I was, who didn’t know how the internet worked?

    You told us google was hacking and controlling your computer in real time.


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  84. Rabz, 1979 at the Stagedoor XTC put on one of my top ten shows of all time. Wowowowowo my Statue of Liberty.

    I missed seeing XTC in 79 and 80 on their Aussie tours. Was 16 y/o but missed their September 80 concert at the Capitol Theatre. What a fabulous band. The fan podcast “What do you call that noise?” often features band members.


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  85. Gee JC & Cassie, I’m sure Sinc is mightily chuffed that the two of you never let anyone forget he’s no different to Twitter & Facebook in that they all have to ban those who break the Globalist Narrative they sell.

    I’m quite sure Sinc is mightily chuffed that he still had a blog after having to ban you for actionable and baseless nuffery.

    You, madam, are a flibbertigibbet. A Federally Licensed Specialist Town Screecher, but a flibbertigibbet nonetheless.


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  86. John H, 9.17
    Just a point about the slide in your comment: the earlier point in question involved depictions of doom (present in apartheid and transgenderisms, raised by other posters) and not about predictions of doom.


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  87. People who didn’t go to the Canberra protest spitting at me for not going to the Canberra protest.
    Priceless.

    Still twisting the truth into lies and still the victim.
    Boo Hoo.
    Frau Notaclue. You have used your “Good Nazi” pass to travel Europe, while those who had an ounce of decency and civil responsibility have refused to participate in this disgusting segregation and do without, lose jobs, homes, friends and in many cases their health to stand for a principle and to defend the freedoms so many died so we could enjoy.
    While you “Sound of Music” your way around Europe with running commentary.
    I picked you a long time ago, and was challenged by many. I come back to find many more here have woken to your hypocrisy and selfishness.
    Just like they woke up to Credlin.
    I’m just good at picking out shit people as I was a tour driver for many years and had to sum up people quickly.
    You were easy to pick out. The worst type of fake Christian. The one who talks about her faith but doesn’t practice it.


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  88. You told us google was hacking and controlling your computer in real time.

    Ahaha.

    ‘The live feed from @spacebunny’s gone down? Is this happening to anyone else? Big Tech are shutting me down and only me because I’m dangerous! I warned you all! Nobody listened!’

    To reiterate:

    Ahaha.


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  89. Choo choo, some people know that when they have nothing to say, best to shut up.
    You are now making a fool of yourself.
    Your response is almost buthurt feminine in emotion without substance.


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  90. Watching the nuke plant doco something I hadn’t thought of was the big economic boost for the local community during the construction phase. When I read about the cost of a nuke plant what I don’t read is this economic benefit to the local community. We need nuke plants and it would help if those advocating that incorporated that economic aspect into the picture.


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  91. Protestors in NYC surrounding Canadian embassy shouting “lock him up”. It’s apparently planned for Australia as well. Notafan will be in the Riviera, after all her family did it tougher than all other families during lockdowns!


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  92. Your response is almost buthurt feminine in emotion without substance.

    Struth may be accused of many things, but “feminist” is not among them.
    😀


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  93. Choo choo, some people know that when they have nothing to say, best to shut up.
    You are now making a fool of yourself.
    Your response is almost buthurt feminine in emotion without substance

    Struth darling, you proved my point again.

    Always talking down to others with what you think offends others into lashing out, because it would offend you if someone else said it.

    You poor manlet…


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  94. Cassie of Sydneysays:

    February 18, 2022 at 9:05 pm

    “shows like Muster Dogs make it worthwhile.”

    Yep…sublime.

    I thought it was great.
    (Spoiler alert …)
    I got a bit annoyed at the tear-jerker scene at the end where the bloke from Edenhope gave up his dog to the winning trainer because it bit at the sheep.
    Yeah the dog is with a better trainer and seemed more suited to cattle than sheep.
    However, the bloke thought he was some sort of dog whisperer who took a loosey-goosey approach to training and didn’t get on top of the behaviour at the outset.
    Fuck, if you don’t assert yourself as the boss of the pack, of course the dog will go off the rails.
    If it wasn’t a TV show the dog might have been put down because “no good”.


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  95. Mike Lindell and MyPillow were debanked a couple of days ago.

    He has manufacturing in Canada! Presumably employs a few people.

    His trucks were banned from entering Canada.!


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  96. rosie says:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:45 pm
    […]
    And yes emergency powers should be limited to war and civil unrest, as some of us have saying since 2020.
    […]

    That’s what Justin said, and did to the citizens of Canada when they dared to make a wonderfully peaceful stand against being forced to be Jabbed by that evil shit you’ve been keenly selling from the get go.

    So you to believe the Govt should go to war against it’s own people when they won’t bow to your BS.


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  97. Indolentsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 10:51 pm
    Muster Dogs is basically just Married at First Sight but with kelpies.

    I’d much rather watch kelpies.

    The kelpies are smarter.


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  98. Struthsays:

    February 18, 2022 at 10:44 pm

    Protestors in NYC surrounding Canadian embassy shouting “lock him up”. It’s apparently planned for Australia as well. Notafan will be in the Riviera, after all her family did it tougher than all other families during lockdowns!

    Which Canadian Embassy are you standing outside right now St Ruth?


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  99. Rabzsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 9:54 pm

    Rabz, I am well aware that this one is Usain Bolt v a Galapagos tortoise.
    However, I played perfectly fair. At 2.49pm I referred readers to one of Lizzie’s posts, my subsequent post, and then Lizzie’s response to my post. I was perfectly willing to let her have the last word and let readers judge on the basis of that last comment by her. If she chooses to make further misrepresentations, surely I’m at least allowed to suggest that she back them up with verifiable references to the source material.


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  100. Yuendumu: First shot failed to stop armed teen Kumanjayi Walker, court told

    Amos Aikman
    Northern Correspondent
    @amosaikman
    An hour ago February 18, 2022

    The first shot Zachary Rolfe fired into Kumanjayi Walker did not “incapacitate” the Aboriginal teenager, who retained control of an “edged weapon” capable of inflicting an injury that could cause death within minutes, a court has heard.

    The expert evidence elicited from prosecution witnesses may become crucial in the defence of the young Northern Territory policeman.

    The jury in Constable Rolfe’s murder trial has been repeatedly told about a police training maxim, “knife equals gun”.

    Constable Rolfe shot Walker three times after the latter stabbed him with scissors during a botched attempted arrest in the troubled outback community of Yuendumu.

    The jury has heard NT police officers are taught to draw their firearm if an offender produces anything “capable of penetrating … cutting, slashing or drawing blood”.

    That could be a knife but could also be a pen, a credit card, some plastic or household keys.

    They are taught to fire if necessary and to keep firing until the subject is “incapacitated”.

    The term means no longer able to inflict harm on the officer or on another person.



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  101. Cassie of Sydneysays:

    February 18, 2022 at 9:43 pm

    “Dogs can be dumb as rocks sometimes.”

    So can humans.

    Quite so.
    If you are wondering why a dog did something stupid, the answer can usually be found at the other end of the lead.


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  102. Thank you for that link, Indolent.

    It is a shame that senior Public Servants are not structurally or culturally subject to the same sort of accountability here.

    Common sense prevails. 🙂


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  103. That could be a knife but could also be a pen, a credit card, some plastic or household keys.

    Righto. Ease up, Amos.

    Nobody’s going to slap leather if someone breaks out a credit card or a pen, unless that someone is John Wick.


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  104. feelthebern says:
    February 18, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    srr says:
    February 18, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    Dumb cunt.

    Yes, how very silly of me to repeat facts of being criminally, racially vilified here by those who can just, make it go away … from here.
    That makes your empty insult so, empty, and cowardly.


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  105. Bruce of Newcastlesays:

    February 18, 2022 at 9:30 pm

    ….
    Especially not blue cattle dogs. I was chased by one last week, on bicycle.

    Are you serious?
    This could make big money.
    A blue heeler who can ride a bike!
    Wow!
    Hollywood would love it.


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  106. I said what?
    Pretty sure I’ve made zero comments about Canada other than to wonder why collectively Australia New Zealand and Canada governments seems to be the stupidest.
    Yes and the lockdown suffering of the good burghers of Gympie echoed around the world.


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  107. Real hackers don’t have Golf Australia handicaps.

    I went to a corporate golf day where they gave everyone without a GA handicap 36. Somewhat shamefully I picked up a Waterford decanter I have in a box somewhere. Alas it can never see the light of day.


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  108. Nobody’s going to slap leather if someone breaks out a credit card or a pen, unless that someone is John Wick

    I did think that uncalled for exaggeration on the journo’s part, indeed.


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  109. Kerrie Sutherland, an emergency specialist formerly attached to Alice Springs Hospital, treated Constable Rolfe after the Yuendumu incident. She testified the puncture wound he received was “less than three millimetres” and did not require stitches.

    She said he presented at the hospital alert, with a full range of motion to his shoulder and not exhibiting any signs of pain.

    More from the article in the Oz. I’m wondering, irreverently, how Kerrie Walsh would have reacted if she had been stabbed with a pair of scissors…


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  110. This should be stock, no option packages required.

    (My jaw dropped when he accelerated at high speed).

    1239HP Toyota SUPRA 2JZ 360° on AUTOBAHN by AutoTopNL

    I’m not sure I’d be able to handle 1000+ HP in any car to be honest… thought I’d certainly give it a shot.

    I’ll soon be adjusting to my new toy in the next few weeks once I can register it 🙂

    I do believe that any level of torque and horsepower should be legally available to anyone though, it’s why we have insurance after all…


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  111. When the police chief quit this week, Deans made a move to replace him with someone from out of town — without going through the proper process, without any competition for the position, and failing to even notify the city council.

    There’s a new default question we have to ask any time these quick change artists go to work:
    “Is the replacement a graduate of Schwab School?”

    Are they the Eric Cartman of the WEF?
    “Screw you guys, I’m coming from Schwaaab Schoool.”

    Et cetera.


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  112. Was watching the teev tonight while they were breathlessly expounding on the Soviet/Ukraine war, with footage of troops from both sides obviously in real firing warfare, from individual firearms to heavy machine guns on armour. It looked like all hell had broken loose.

    Just then I noticed one small detail … and even watched other footage to check. In every single one of those “live-firing” videos there were bloody great BFAs on the muzzle of the weapons! Obviously, that was footage from various exercises from who knows where or when.

    If there IS a real shooting war, the media carry at least 50% of the blame!!


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  113. I see the venom tipplers are still sipping.

    And there you are, fully exposed as the equally venomous, finger pointing, nasty little personality you actually are. Pretending virtue while smugly indulging in all the vices.

    But you do you, petal. Some of us can quickly recognise a hypocrite when we encounter them, whether it’s on a blog or in real life. And you, sweetheart, deserve to have your photo right next to that word in dictionaries world-wide.

    You don’t have the intellectual firepower or the humility to ever question or change.


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  114. I recommend anyone interested in seeing a vision of our future check out the latest video by Dave Cullen on bitchute.

    The link doesn’t seem to work, so search for his ‘Computing Forever’ channel.


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  115. I went to a corporate golf day where they gave everyone without a GA handicap 36. Somewhat shamefully I picked up a Waterford decanter I have in a box somewhere. Alas it can never see the light of day.

    Ironically, that is the hacker’s greatest fear.
    Turning up with a max handicap, having a blinder and winning the trophy.
    Thereafter known as the Ronnie Biggs Memorial Great Golf Robbery trophy.
    “Bandit” they whisper every time he picks up club for the rest of life.


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  116. New restrictions are a-comin’ in the West:

    Premier unveils restrictions to limit spread
    From 6am Monday, the indoor mask mandate is also set to be extended to apply to the entire state.

    At the same time ‘level one measures’ are due to come into effect for Perth

    And here’s another restriction slapped onto the pile:

    The Premier also revealed that, based on health advice, bottle shops would be removed from proof of vaccination requirements immediately.

    “This is being done ahead of a review of other proof of vaccination and contact registration measures, given that we’re entering the next phase of the pandemic,” he said.

    Um, what? There is a lot wrong with this right here. Firstly, the proof of vaxx requirements – according to McFuckface’s government – affects a tiny, insignificant proportion of the population. So what’s this all about? Why bother? Why is this restriction being lifted while others are being imposed? What’s so special about bottle shops? What the hell health advice is informing this decision? Why was the restriction put in place in the first instance, and why does “entering the next phase of the pandemic” mean it should be lifted? IMMEDIATELY?

    This really doesn’t make sense, and I mean it doesn’t make sense using the state’s logic. It runs contra to everything McFuckface has pulled thus far.


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  117. The bottle shop sales restrictions will certainly provide a few LOLs 50 years from now. The Science might have been able to pull that one off when Galileo was a boy.


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  118. This really doesn’t make sense, and I mean it doesn’t make sense using the state’s logic. It runs contra to everything McFuckface has pulled thus far.

    It’s not meant to.
    But you’ll comply anyway.
    If it made sense, how would you know who’s in charge?
    I mean if people saw the sense in the rules and willingly submitted to them because they made sense, where would we be?
    Communism 101. Keep talking shit constantly.
    Have fun with it.
    Hey, have a laugh, tell them to wear a mask standing up but take it off sitting down………they’ll do it…..
    Oh, c’mon, no they won’t….oh shit, look, they’re doing it!!!!!!


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  119. How’s the bonhomie, eh?
    It’s grouse.

    It’s serious gourmet shit. Once again, one must turn to Pulp Fiction for clarity:

    Jules : Mmmm! Goddamn, Jimmie! This is some serious gourmet shit! Usually, me and Vince would be happy with some freeze-dried Arky bonhomie right, but he springs this serious GOURMET shit on us! What flavor is this?

    Jimmie : Knock it off, Julie.
    Jules : [pause] What?

    Jimmie : I don’t need you to tell me how fucking good my bonhomie is, okay? I’m the one who buys it. I know how good it is. When Bonnie goes shopping she buys SHIT. I buy the gourmet expensive bonhomie because when I drink it I want to taste it.

    But you know what’s on my mind right now? It AIN’T the bonhomie on the OT, it’s the dead nigger in my garage.



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  120. Err, the bonhomee is just fabulous, peoples …

    It’s so good that I’ve not been gloating* to my fellow peer group personages that the looming world wide coffee shortage has been given a very wide berth and bought sufficient stocks to last peoples in the cottage for at least the next 15 months – world wide apocalyptic events notwithstanding, I tells ya! 🙂

    *Bluddee hell – rule No 1 of existing on this planet – never, ever, go the gloat! 😕


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  121. Now I’m back in France I might pop in to Monoprix and splurge on another one of those 25cl bottles of grenache.
    I’m doing self entry in Carcassone via an app called ‘pass pass’. Hopefully I fumble through.
    The vault in Girona was a great novelty but it smelled a bit dank, I never turned the heater on and probably should have but the temperature was fine; no natural light palls pretty. quickly.


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  122. This really doesn’t make sense, and I mean it doesn’t make sense using the state’s logic

    Cracks in the dam, OCO.

    Some WAHealth brainlet’s ‘good idea,’ blindly applied without thought of consequence, finally became so publicly obnoxious that something had to be done about it.


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  123. Now I’m back in France I might:

    .1 Surrender to the nayzees
    .2 Molest some underage personages
    .3 Pretend to be really sophisticated
    .4 March into Russia
    .5 Adjourn to an island in the Mediterranean …


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  124. Watching the nuke plant doco something I hadn’t thought of was the big economic boost for the local community during the construction phase. When I read about the cost of a nuke plant what I don’t read is this economic benefit to the local community. We need nuke plants and it would help if those advocating that incorporated that economic aspect into the picture.

    Promise locals within 25kms free electricity.


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  125. Notafan, you are overcompensating for being so incredibly wrong and gullible from the very start of this. You went hysterical. When you realised you’d made complete dick of yourself and realised there was no way of saving face, you doubled down. Which is all these boring European vacation “reporting in” comments are. Doubling down. You are totally pathetic.


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  126. You should be drinking Woodstock after Wesfarmers took a dive.

    Wesfarmers is going to have to declare for bankruptcy, before I subject my palate to the indignity of drinking bourbon.

    My needs are few, my wants are simple, but good single malt is high on the list.


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  127. Watching the nuke plant doco something I hadn’t thought of was the big economic boost for the local community during the construction phase. When I read about the cost of a nuke plant what I don’t read is this economic benefit to the local community. We need nuke plants and it would help if those advocating that incorporated that economic aspect into the picture.

    Promise locals within 25kms free electricity.

    I would happily work on the construction of a new nuclear power plant in Australia

    I currently work in the new Sydney road tunnels… I would much prefer to be above ground and working on a nuclear plant…

    Perhaps the old White Bay power station?


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  128. It’s so good that I’ve not been gloating* to my fellow peer group personages that the looming world wide coffee shortage has been given a very wide berth and bought sufficient stocks to last peoples in the cottage for at least the next 15 months

    Beans, pre-grounds or instant, Rabz? 🙂


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  129. It’s not meant to.
    But you’ll comply anyway.

    iT’s NoT sUpPoSeD tO mAkE sEnSe ThAt’s ThE pOiNt

    yeah thanks for that super-sophisticated insight that no one has ever thought of before, struth.


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  130. Unvaccinated people allowed to enter bottle shops in WA as State reaches 95 per cent double-dose vaxxed

    Claimed it was due to medical advice! LOL

    Yeah, because the science says that buying groceries from Aldi is safe, but if the unvaccinated punter tries to also buy a bottle of wine, then he will be in danger or a danger to others.

    No, I reckon this was all due to Gemma Tognini’s column in The West Australian from a couple of days ago, that utterly ridiculed McClown’s useless and spiteful policies.

    Good on her. It is amazing what even a little bit of real journalism can do.


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  131. Sliante! Mine’s a large Glendronach

    Glenrothes, here. And a very large. I just got sick of almost 6 months of abstinence. It’s dampened down my pervasive inflammatory pain response though.

    Should have thought of it sooner.


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  132. yeah thanks for that super-sophisticated insight that no one has ever thought of before, struth.

    Struth’s MO of late reminds me of the motto Sydney University Regiment’s Training Support Platoon when I was a young Digger-

    We’re not happy, ‘Til you’re not happy…

    Good times, those. 🙂


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  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    February 18, 2022 at 11:15 pm
    Kerrie Sutherland, an emergency specialist formerly attached to Alice Springs Hospital, treated Constable Rolfe after the Yuendumu incident. She testified the puncture wound he received was “less than three millimetres” and did not require stitches.

    I got a puncture wound once in my chest – only about 10mm – problem is that it went in about 65 – 70mm.
    Boning knife.
    Got the full ambo – hospital treatment though due to the amount of blood…
    No dramas tho.


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  134. Rex – bought four 250 gram ground bricks – a serving that gets blasted through this. 🙂

    Glorious.

    The art of the making is even more satisfying than the drinking. 🙂


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  135. Gemma Tognini

    A fellow Italian. She does not back down and she talks much sense. Unlike certain luscious brunettes that get stuck on utterly pathetic and discredited greenfilth imbeciles (BIRM) … 😕


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  136. State reaches 95 per cent double-dose vaxxed

    Does anyone actually believe this? Don’t forget the claim is 95% of the population aged 12 and above is double-vaxxed.

    Now, I reckon at LEAST 20% of the vaxxed adult population were coerced into getting juiced up because they were threatened with losing their job. And they are NOT happy about being coerced. Do you think they’re queuing up to get their freaking kids vaxxed?


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  137. Zulu,

    You really ought to give Upshot a go. Granted it is a sour mash, but they currently have a French cask whiskey that is delightfully smooth. And this new red corn variety that is quite sweet.

    Don’t write off the bourbon styles too lightly.

    And if you reckon they are expensive, those two bottles and a block of whiskey-infused chocolate still set me back less than the (new in box and unused) turntable I picked up at a secondhand train shop in Maylands shortly afterwards…


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  138. Now, I reckon at LEAST 20% of the vaxxed adult population were coerced into getting juiced up because they were threatened with losing their job. And they are NOT happy about being coerced. Do you think they’re queuing up to get their freaking kids vaxxed?

    Only because it is now a school requirement, too.


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  139. Glenrothes, here. And a very large. I just got sick of almost 6 months of abstinence. It’s dampened down my pervasive inflammatory pain response though.

    Glenrothes. My compliments on an excellent taste, in good Scotch.

    I’m going back all those years, but teaching a (seriously pretty) Aussie lass, in an Edinburgh pub, on the Royal Mile, how to sell Scotch whisky to the Scots, was one of life’s achievements…..


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  140. Dot says:
    February 18, 2022 at 10:27 pm
    One of mine went from high school to Federally Licenced Specialist in half the time it took you to make the basics

    It took your kid 1.5 years to do an undergrad degree? Plus the grad dip? Federal law licensing eh?

    Ma’am, you are talking out of your arse.

    Stop licking toads.

    Sorry Dot, it was only a rough guesstimate.
    My kid was still in high school when I found you on the Cat and I can’t remember a time your weren’t, ‘going to become a lawyer’, but now I have a vague recollection of you wandering into some other fields and people questioning if you were still going to become a lawyer.

    Maybe you didn’t take that long to get through, I really don’t care because you’ll always be ‘Pol Dot’ to me, the sort of arse who’s an arse in his own right.

    Oh and while I’m at it –

    Dot says:
    February 18, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    Hey remember back before it got a name on social media, I explained to you all how & why shadow banning works and you mob laughed & told everyone what an old silly I was, who didn’t know how the internet worked?

    You told us google was hacking and controlling your computer in real time.

    I explained to you how many things were manipulated, including live time hacking of targeted individuals and just random Joe’s for testing & tweaking the various tools for the, ‘you’ll own nothing, submit to social credit systems & be happy’, near future the WEF Mobsters & Co and creaming the jeans over now.


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  141. Rex – when I was in Rome in ’96, the two local lads* we were staying with made their coffee in a Bialetti two serve.

    I’ve got a nominal four chamber pot. Fabulous for making short blacks when you’re watching a soccer championship.

    F*ck speed – here’s an anecdote – World Cup 2010 – Ozzies V Ghana at 2:00am. Short blacks all round. The match ends, the Ozzies have salvaged a courageous draw and I’m there on the couch, experiencing this … 😕

    *Cousins of best my mate, the latter who of course, was on the journey.


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  142. My kid was still in high school when I found you on the Cat and I can’t remember a time your weren’t, ‘going to become a lawyer’, but now I have a vague recollection of you wandering into some other fields and people questioning if you were still going to become a lawyer.

    That has nothing to do with:

    It took your kid 1.5 years to do an undergrad degree? Plus the grad dip? Federal law licensing eh?
    Ma’am, you are talking out of your arse.

    Styxenhammer666 and @KingArturius approve of this post.


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  143. There was a kid screaming blue murder on the train, got off and there he was, about three years old, refusing to get in the pusher and biting his poor little grandmother’s hand as hard as he could as she tried to battle along with him down the platform.
    I offered to hold the pram as she tried to put him in and asked him very nicely in English what the matter was, as she struggled with him.
    He ended up trotting along with her without a fuss.
    Definitely a candidate for French super nanny.


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  144. Drinking good Scotch, and watching “Sharpe’s Waterloo” is an occupation, befitting a gentleman.

    “Silk stocking, full of shyte” – there’s your horoscope, read to you……


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  145. You can’t be bored.

    I’ disappointed in you, manlet.

    You’re normally full of piss and vinegar and theatrical bluster fit to flatten a cardboard cutout of someone at least your size.

    And yet here you are, anklebiting at folks like some low-energy GetUp! drone.

    Are you only the Bravest and Mightiest Speaker of Struth when you think you have an audience hanging on your every word?

    Petty Demagoguery is a pretty tyrannical way to behave…


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  146. Nothing beats the great French train dash after the controller decides to announce the platform a few minutes before departure.

    Just a bit dickish on the station staff’s part, rosie…


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  147. OK, KD. You can win your bet. Before a new fred starts, which I won’t enter, I like to say:

    I will answer firstly, Timothy Nielsen. Tim, I had seen internet comment on the spurious result that had tried to justify it in terms that showed the anti-vaxx commenters I saw (not your commenters) did not comprehend the arithmetic error and were trying to abstract it from the population comparison data. You simply refused to believe I had seen such a comment, but in fact the same thing is going on and people are still referring to the 82% figure and trying to justify it even though the demoninator has been replaced for that indice. Yes, there was a reporting error in the study, which confounded the indice for spontaneous abortion. I agreed on that and agreed with the NEJM and I also commented, along with Arky and Gilas, that the study (really just a cohort time defined report) was unclear in its denominator for spontaneous abortion and pretty lax in general. I said the NEJM recognised egg on the face over this preliminary report, and that was the end of it as far as I was concerned. That you have such a long and silly dragging out of this shows how very much to wish to diss me. Too bad.

    And Pogria. I loved that movie about Florence. Who wouldn’t? If you see me at home in it singing a swansong, or hitting a high note of farewell, all so well and good. My voice under Covid would currently rival that poor deluded lady’s anyway. The latest Otello being sung at the Opera House looks pretty good. If I was around, and if we can get tickets, I’d review it here, as is my wont. But generally, I think it will be my won’t. As we’re on opera, we dropped our tickets to the Brisbane Ring Cycle though; too many cancellations and anyway, I don’t think I would much like it stripped of all of its powerful Scandinavian mythology, as they are intending to do. I didn’t know that when we booked.

    And KD, hoist on his own petard. Sadly, we have not yet replaced the pebblecrete at our entrance so we are very shown up by the glorious sandstone and limestone next door. I guess we will do it soon now you’ve determined that it certainly lowers the tone. Strangely, we have managed to live with it for years so far. We can easily afford to change it, but the impetus to do so has been lacking.

    Shame on us. 🙂


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  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    February 19, 2022 at 9:57 am

    Bad luck Lizzie, new comments show up at the side bar so you couldn’t sneak this one in as the last word without being spotted.

    Before a new fred starts, spurious – it started nine or ten hours before you posted this which I won’t enter, we’ll see.

    I will answer firstly, Timothy Nielsen.

    You’ve totally failed to answer me. You’ve spun all that bullshit before. I’ve totally and incontrovertibly proved with verbatim quotes and verifiable references from the original thread how you beclowned yourself by refusing to accept that the 82% was derived from the authors’ own 827, 700 and 104 figures, and then when you were confronted with the truth bomb that 104/(827-700)=82% having absolutely no answer except all the non sequiturs you’re still spinning. Every time you frantically concoct more retrospective irrelevant spin without being able to answer the actual proof of your self-beclownment you just make the truth more clear.
    Sufficient proof of the actual nature of your self-beclownment is at at Timothy Neilsonsays:
    February 18, 2022 at 9:36 pm.
    Non sequiturs don’t cut it in response to that proof. If you had any contrary evidence from the relevant thread you have had plenty of chances to post it, but you haven’t.

    That you have such a long and silly dragging out of this shows how very much to wish to diss me. Too bad.

    Let’s re-roll the tape. Yes, the person who dragged this out of the distant past was none other than the multiple annual winning and still reigning Ms Lack Of Self-Awareness:
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    February 18, 2022 at 1:54 pm

    Fuck me dead and call me Covid, you certainly do know how to make things up, Tim Nielsen. Like the way you chased me through about five pages here demanding, demanding, demanding for me to ‘acknowledge’ something that I and every other epidemiologist could clearly see (although some insane anti-vaxxers couldn’t),



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  149. Lizzie
    Please stay, who cares about the stupid study?
    I see zero real world evidence of excess miscarriage because vaxxed.
    Or people dropping like flies from the million and one diseases the vaxxed are supposed to be afflicted with.
    According to the ‘real experts’ apparently 50 percent of the vaxxed were supposed to have died in 2021.
    Still waiting for my ADE.
    Taps foot.


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