2,875 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tues 15 March 2022”

  1. When it comes down to it the biggest issue is we, as a country, just don’t have the political will or a population willing to really defend the place. I sure as shit look around and don’t see much I’d lay down my life for anymore.

    Fair comment.


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  2. The most essential building block of modern technology is the microchip so you would need to secure its production. I read somewhere that FoxConn(sp?) of Taiwan are proposing to build a microchip factory in Saudi Arabia which is as far from China as you can get.


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  3. When it comes down to it the biggest issue is we, as a country, just don’t have the political will or a population willing to really defend the place. I sure as shit look around and don’t see much I’d lay down my life for anymore.

    Wow, not even your family and friends. Wow!


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  4. No, it was my comment which was similar to Speedbox’s.
    There is little substantive difference between the comments.

    I’ve no further interest in rehashing what is an objective comment from a day or two ago, which is being treated in a subjective manner purely in an attempt foment ill-will.

    In short: Grow up.


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  5. I also checked my gutters last week which were overflowing and found them full of mud and moss. Cleanup will have to wait until I have the time.


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  6. When it comes down to it the biggest issue is we, as a country, just don’t have the political will or a population willing to really defend the place.

    I’m not so sure I could make the same comment with confidence.

    Unfortunately, we have to cross that bridge when it presents itself. Policy and pollie-rhetoric is not a reliable indicator. Ukraine, for all the shit being heaped on it now, did not honestly expect to have its sovereign territory forcibly taken from it in 2014 and 2 insurgencies fomented in its Eaat. One could argue its people were just as complacent as ours are now. 8 years later, and things are very different.

    We are not Taiwan, which has had 70 years of existential threat from its much larger and aggressive mainland neighbour ingrained into its culture. For all of Indonesia’s bluster and actual territorial belligerency and provocations in the 60s and 70s, it seems was never something that twigged in the average Australian’s thinking or day-to-day conversation.


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  7. Driller

    I’ve reported your comment as abusive.

    Your comment was not similar and in fact had zero to associate with Speedbox.

    1. You made the stupid suggestion that losing generals was no biggie as all we had to do was look at WW2 when lots of generals lost their lives.

    2. Speedbox made the comment that Russia continues to follow WW2 military orthodoxy in that it expects it generals to lead from the very front which means they are at much higher risk.

    These two arguments are not the same and anyone making this suggestion is either very low IQ or simply dishonest or both.

    Now fuck off and stop abusing people.


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  8. Here’s another rule Dover ought to add to the rule book. Anyone contacting him, complaining about comments or commenters that they find offensive should have their comments publicly disclosed as a thread.


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  9. Once someone lands enough troops we just don’t have enough manpower to see them off. It’d be a light infantry guerilla war, or a bareknuckle fight for the major ports.

    Evacuate everyone ahead of the advance. Keep retreating and keep ambushing them as you go. It doesn’t matter if they get a port, as long as you’re making them bleed, eventually they will run out of political steam.

    And if AusGov were prepared to act on how deep a shit we are in, they would immediately scrap all gun laws and drone laws.


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  10. Rex, I don’t think we are complacent about Indonesia. Wasn’t it only recently that they bought a large number of fighter planes from the US? That ruffled quite a few feathers in my circle of friends and acquaintances.

    On the other hand they don’t have to attack us, they just have to release the boats with “asylum seekers”.


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  11. Once someone lands enough troops we just don’t have enough manpower to see them off.

    We don’t have to see them off, the top end will take care of it. If crazy Euro tourists can’t survive it nobody can.


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  12. Evacuate everyone ahead of the advance. Keep retreating and keep ambushing them as you go. It doesn’t matter if they get a port, as long as you’re making them bleed, eventually they will run out of political steam.

    On that topic, in John Curtin’s biography, the chapter on the “Brisbane Line” makes interesting reading.
    Do you concentrate your forces to defend “the heartland?”


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  13. We don’t have to see them off, the top end will take care of it. If crazy Euro tourists can’t survive it nobody can.

    Imagine if they took Darwin. Those poor CCP mummy’s boys would head south, reaching the outskirts they would look out across the hot barren flatness and think: “Fuck we’re all gunna to get Falconio’d”.


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  14. Here’s another rule Dover ought to add to the rule book. Anyone contacting him, complaining about comments or commenters that they find offensive should have their comments publicly disclosed as a thread.

    Strike me roan.
    Is there enough bandwidth in the universe to accommodate 57 Volumes of complaints about Ed Case?


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  15. An anecdote about crazy Euro tourists that happened over a decade ago. Brother-in-law’s Euro friends arrived and bought an old car they meant to drive everywhere and simply abandon before flying home. They were smart enough to get a satellite phone which came in really handy when they got stuck somewhere in remote NT with mechanical trouble. They called the BIL in Brisbane to contact emergency services.


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  16. Bluey

    That should be enough to set the hares running for the moment!

    I agree our biggest problem is imports. Basic manufacturing is doable here with the will, but high end stuff and electronics flat out won’t happen. Being blockaded isn’t that big a deal really, we can produce enough food etc. we don’t starve or lack resources. There would be a reduction in “quality of life” for crap like the latest Iphone, but really that’s not a problem.
    As I see it, the biggest practical matter would be stopping anyone landing troops here. Subs, air force, and stuff like UAVs and long range missile systems are pretty much the key here. Once someone lands enough troops we just don’t have enough manpower to see them off. It’d be a light infantry guerilla war, or a bareknuckle fight for the major ports.

    When it comes down to it the biggest issue is we, as a country, just don’t have the political will or a population willing to really defend the place. I sure as shit look around and don’t see much I’d lay down my life for anymore.

    A quick response, more tomorrow.

    Our real problem with both imports and exports (and why I started with a suggestion to reduce the quantity of essential imports) is that we have very limited capability to escort merchant traffic. With the two LPHs (HMAS Canberra and Adelaide) and a very limited number of destroyers and frigates, escorting even a single convoy through a danger area would be difficult.

    That said, there is a lot of ocean out there, and much of it is beyond the range of air attack. Whether countries buying our coal, iron ore, grain and similar bulk exports would be willing to provide their own escorts (perhaps with a discount on price) is an open question. But we will still need that export income.

    More tomorrow.


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  17. Well FMD. We’ve come a long way baby.

    A Lesbian criticizes a hetero female about her lack of children.

    Opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong has admitted she raised Kimberley Kitching’s lack of children during a meeting in 2019.

    In a joint statement issued with opposition finance spokeswoman Katie Gallagher and opposition home affairs spokeswoman Kristina Keneally – tagged the “mean girls” club by Kitching – Senator Wong said she had apologised for her comments after they were first raised publicly two years ago.



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  18. Do you concentrate your forces to defend “the heartland?”

    Curtin was letting the Japs know that if they could put fleets outside Sydney and Melbourne, he’d evacuate those Cities and they could have Australia.
    They couldn’t and he died before he could be tried for Treason.


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  19. Imagine if they took Darwin. Those poor CCP mummy’s boys would head south, reaching the outskirts they would look out across the hot barren flatness and think: “Fuck we’re all gunna to get Falconio’d”.

    Again, using World War Two as an example, an Australian General (Frank Berryman?) was asked what steps he would take, in the event of Japanese landings at Darwin.

    “Send out the salvage Corps to collect their bleached bones from the desert.”


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  20. Curtin was letting the Japs know that if they could put fleets outside Sydney and Melbourne, he’d evacuate those Cities and they could have Australia.

    Bullshit.


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  21. Strike me roan.
    Is there enough bandwidth in the universe to accommodate 57 Volumes of complaints about Ed Case?

    Sounds like a hint, Grigsy babe…


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  22. A Lesbian criticizes a hetero female about her lack of children.

    Yep, Penny Wong, a childless woman sneering at another woman, Kimberley Kitching, for not having children. That’s real chutzpah.


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  23. except bile and scowls- for 200k p/a?

    i reckon that today senators are on closer to $300,000.
    Salary $211,000
    Electorate allowance $32,000
    Committee allowance for some $23,000
    Super – another 15%.
    “flying my sick child around the sights of the Great Australian Bight” allowance
    Vehicle allowance.

    It all adds up.


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  24. “Send out the salvage Corps to collect their bleached bones from the desert.”

    You’ve missed the point, Zulu.
    What the General was saying is that the Japs weren’t invading by way of Darwin.
    Yet that’s exactly what the Labor Government kept telling the Australian people.


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  25. As I see it, the biggest practical matter would be stopping anyone landing troops here.

    For an invader, finding somewhere practical to land would be a bigger problem.
    We don’t have a lot of Botany Bays.


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  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    March 18, 2022 at 10:01 pm
    Curtin was letting the Japs know that if they could put fleets outside Sydney and Melbourne, he’d evacuate those Cities and they could have Australia.

    Bullshit.

    Dick Ed has a very vivid imagination, not necessarily connected to reality, or to the actual historical record.


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  27. Yep, Penny Wong, a childless woman sneering at another woman, Kimberley Kitching, for not having children. That’s real chutzpah.

    You’re missing the point as well.
    Wong “has” children with her “wife”.
    So she was daring Kitching to bring that up and Kitching caved.


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  28. Ed Casesays:
    March 18, 2022 at 10:04 pm
    “Send out the salvage Corps to collect their bleached bones from the desert.”

    You’ve missed the point, Zulu.
    What the General was saying is that the Japs weren’t invading by way of Darwin.

    Diversion squirrel. The Japanese weren’t invading from any direction.


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  29. JCsays:

    March 18, 2022 at 9:43 pm

    Here’s another rule Dover ought to add to the rule book. Anyone contacting him, complaining about comments or commenters that they find offensive should have their comments publicly disclosed as a thread.

    This would be perfect.
    Flush the sooks into the open and force them to argue the point.
    Don’t worry about the admin.
    As soon as the back-channel sooks are exposed the email traffic will dry up.


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  30. Diversion squirrel. The Japanese weren’t invading from any direction.

    What was the Battle of The Coral Sea about then, SpongeBob?
    Rights to conduct Whale Watching Tours?


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  31. What was the Battle of The Coral Sea about then, SpongeBob?

    Port Moresby, and the airbases and anchorages it provided within striking range of the Australian and American facilities across Far North Queensland and the Northern Territory.


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  32. calli says:
    March 18, 2022 at 9:19 pm

    No brawling on the threads, deliberate antagonism, abuse, scab-picking or doxxing.

    Not just a leeetle scab? A teeny one?

    What is the policy on Chinese burns? Atomic wedgies? Dirty Looks?

    Yeah!
    And bring back the “wet willie”.


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  33. What was the Battle of The Coral Sea about then, SpongeBob?
    Rights to conduct Whale Watching Tours?

    The defeat of a Japanese invasion fleet, with Port Moresby as its destination.


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  34. JC:
    Sheilas are the last people to ever listen to about moderation etc, because they don’t believe in open dialogue and in fact are the most regressive amongst us. Don’t listen to anyone who wears a dress

    If there’s not a tongue in cheek in that, I beg to differ. And on dresses: I like them.


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  35. Ed Casesays:
    March 18, 2022 at 10:11 pm
    Diversion squirrel. The Japanese weren’t invading from any direction.

    What was the Battle of The Coral Sea about then, SpongeBob?
    Rights to conduct Whale Watching Tours?

    Port Moresby.

    Then they were going to swim across Torres Strait, eating sharks and crocodiles along the way.

    Idiot.


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  36. Ed Case, Penny Wong is a woman so why didn’t she have them? For all intents and purposes she is a childless woman. Her wife’s children have a different second parent, not Wong.


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  37. Dr BG, if you’re about. There’s another demo – the World Wide Rally for Freedom – at 12:00pm tomorrow at the Supreme Court Gardens, Perth.


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  38. Diversion squirrel. The Japanese weren’t invading from any direction.

    After the fall of Singapore, the Japanese Navy put forward two plans for the invasion of Australia, with the aim of preventing the use of this country, as a base by the Americans to drive North to liberate the Philippines. The Japanese Army rejected both plans – they calculated they would need between nine to twelve divisions of a total order of battle of nearly fifty divisions, the majority of which was already committed to the war in China, and half a million tons of shipping to transport and supply that force, which would have to be reallocated from their task of transporting raw materials, from the newly conquered territories, to the factories of Japan.


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  39. You’re missing the point as well.
    Wong “has” children with her “wife”.
    So she was daring Kitching to bring that up and Kitching caved.

    Wong impregnated the other lesbian , did she?


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  40. The Japanese High Command did bicker about attempting to occupy Australia- The Navy wanted to do it, but the Army said they would never have the resources to attempt the task.

    Having said this, at least one reconnaissance party of about 2o men was sent from Timor to north-wesr WA to survey potential airfield sites, but none of these were conclusive. The survey party sailed home, undetected.

    Mark Felton presents: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHgjOkjNQo


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  41. Eyriesays:

    March 18, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    Bem away for 24 hours and until 4pm and just had a chance to catch up.
    It goes easier when you scroll Sanchez, Rex Anger (well named), JC (he’s simply gone insane), Lizzie (I thought she left) and very few others …

    And you are perfectly free to do so.
    What you really saying is, “Dover, puh-lease ban those who challenge my bat-shit crazy commentary and looney-tunes links, so it will nice and comfortable like my Old Codgers Aero Club”.


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  42. Bluddee hell – nearly replied to JC’s comment about ALPBC lesbians.

    There are far more satisfying concepts to be discussing while we’re on this planet, peoples.

    Like why “Brunettes are the Best”, especially when they’re 17 YO “influencers” reading a script attempting to explain why the dumbocrats have sent the price of “gas” through the roof.

    Yeah no. 🙁


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  43. Even though Australia may not be that hard to conquer it may be too hard to keep. Being the arse end of the world may be an advantage in some circumstances.


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  44. Like why “Brunettes are the Best”, especially when they’re 17 YO “influencers” reading a script attempting to explain why the dumbocrats have sent the price of “gas” through the roof.

    The leftwits’ best chance at avoiding electoral annihilation in November is getting and properly keeping the young and very young onside.

    Social media is quick, easy and the concept of the short, sharp punchy and colourful meme (being a USMC psych warfare concept from the 1960s) to get your point across plays well on TikTok.

    The problem being is,as we know, that most young folks are led by the heart, not the head. And the attention spans are plummeting. So a well-crafted 20 second propaganda piece that says WussiaWussiaWussia in bright colours and a boppy soundtrack works better than 2 to 5 minutes of the same lady explaining on YouTube, the massive raft of economy-crashing policy changes Sniffy Joe’s handlers imposed from Day One of his Presidency.

    (I like the latter- Conservative chicks look and sound far cluier than their lefty counterparts. But I am a little biased…)


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  45. Wong impregnated the other lesbian , did she?

    Fucked if I know or care what Wong gets up to with her victim.
    My point is that Kitching went along with the charade, then claimed victimhood.
    Then contacted Sam Maiden [?] to request that Wong not be named.
    Basically, there’s 3 major Parties in Canberra.
    The Labor Party
    The Liberal Party
    The MadWomens Party


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  46. Rabz, the influencers thing will be bigger with the media types than the hoi polloi they should be influencing. Men are seeing the lovely figure and women or girls are not watching her. Ergo the message may not register at all.


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  47. Gas = cowboy beans.

    Someone linked to the cooking of creators of rumbling in the interior, and I laughed to see in the cooking demo a portaloo in the back ground.
    Yep. Two kinds of beans, 26 kinds of chilli and all manner of spices to make the damn things edible and the swag warm.


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  48. Was Wong Bills squeeze or some other pollie’s, cant remember, but she did had a chance to have a child by conventional means before she became a chap.


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  49. Even if young girls follow Miss Hourglass they do not vote so influencing them is useless in the midterms election.

    I think the idea is to make their Narrative so widespread and entrenched by any means necessary, that voteherds now and in the future are in its thrall.

    The only way to explain it is to appeal to the Lefties’ totalitarian mindset- Everyone must know and comply with the Narrative.

    Or we just write it off as just another example of the madness of the age… 🙂


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  50. Miss Hourglass

    Miss Flawless. Every remnant male in the US would have been thinking “ideal woife bit of that”.

    Until it didn’t happen. Evah.

    Collectivists are somewhat competent at messaging. Non collectivists, not so much. 🙁


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  51. Helen says: March 18, 2022 at 10:55 pm

    Was Wong Bills squeeze or some other pollie’s, cant remember, but she did had a chance to have a child by conventional means before she became a chap.

    IIRC it was [can’t think of name] former ALP premier of South Oz.


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  52. Crossie – thanks.

    Attempting to essay the pitfalls and prattfalls of human behaviour is a thankless task, especially when exquisite brunettes are involved. All reason goes out the nearest window, as if that’s any consolation. 😕


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  53. Sancho Panzer says:
    March 18, 2022 at 11:15 pm
    JC at 10:28.

    Wong impregnated the other lesbian , did she?
    Not all turkey basters are used to baste turkeys.

    It’s still not her DNA.


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  54. H B Bearsays:

    March 18, 2022 at 11:24 pm

    It’s still not her DNA

    A minor detail in an era of lady penises.

    Look, we’ve all fallen for a bit of that deception once or twice late on a Saturday night.
    We have all been caught with that one, right?


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  55. Surely someone else here has grabbed a handful of something unexpected at least once.

    I’ve seen a young lady put her hand up a Scotsman’s kilt….


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  56. Surely someone else here has grabbed a handful of something unexpected at least once.

    I once squished a sneaky cat turd into my glove while scooping iron shot out from under a sandblaster.

    I wondered what the smell was, then saw the nasty on my hand. The logical brain had twigged almost immediately what was going on and what courses of corrective action I needed to take. I didn’t reckon on my hindbrain’s revulsion reaction being significantly slower off the mark and not settling for another half an hour and 3 consecutive barfs.

    First and only time I’ve sworn at myself mid-hurl.

    Working on my own at the back of the workshop and having access to multiple empty paint buckets was helpful…


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  57. All right, which of you lot…….

    That’s got to be a bit chilly! NUDIST cycles down a central London street during rush hour wearing nothing but a helmet, socks and trainers

    The cyclist was spotted riding his bike naked through traffic on Tuesday morning
    James Reynolds spotted man during commute near King’s Cross, central London
    The nudist appeared unfazed by passing vehicles in chilly 6C temperatures
    Naked cycling is not illegal unless there is intent to cause alarm or distress



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  58. Seems like a lot of angst in the thread today.

    Clear to all to see who is mainly responsable.

    Not much has changed from his behaviour on the old Cat.


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  59. Surely someone else here has grabbed a handful of something unexpected at least once

    But we’re not allowed to gloat about it, Squire?

    A handful of a hot young religious woman’s (deleted) (deleted) (deleted).

    However, back in Nagasaki, her name was Cho Cho San and I was her man … 😕


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  60. Surely someone else here has grabbed a handful of something unexpected at least once

    There was one bar in Hong Kong where your odds weren’t good. Or potentially getting knocked off by South American hookers. Both of which got your attention and sobered you up fairly rapidly.


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  61. Stabbing injuries soar as police vow to stamp out gang attacks
    Erin Pearson
    By Erin Pearson
    March 18, 2022 — 7.47pm

    The Alfred hospital’s data shows a 50 per cent rise in people being treated there for life-threatening stab wounds this summer.

    A police officer says carrying knives is now an accepted method of protection for young people, with some feeling they have to “arm up” as a result of suburban gangs.

    Hospital data shows serious stabbings are on the rise in Victoria as the state grapples with an emerging knife culture among teenagers and young adults.

    The state’s major trauma hospital, The Alfred, says the number of patients it treated with life-threatening stab wounds rose 50 per cent this summer compared to the previous year. And one of its top surgeons fears the severity of injuries is getting worse.

    One police officer says carrying knives has become an accepted method of protection among some young people. A growing number of teenagers are telling police they feel they need to “arm up” to protect themselves from knife-wielding suburban gangs.

    The concerns have prompted youth workers to create an anti-knife education campaign led by stabbing victims, who will speak to youngsters about the dangers of carrying blades.

    Knife attacks in Melbourne at the weekend left two young people dead and a string of others seriously injured.

    Just months ago, youth advocates raised the alarm, saying they feared bloodshed on Melbourne streets and that children as young as 10 were carrying knives for protection.

    On Thursday, senior police said they were doing all they could to dismantle gangs, revealing five were disbanded last year and more than 500 gang members were arrested as part of a widespread crackdown.

    But a police officer, speaking anonymously because they are not authorised to speak to the press, said violent crime involving knives and young people had never been worse nor more brutal.

    In the Australia I grew up in, a knife was seen as a cowards weapon, and if you pulled one, in a fight, you were likely to have it rammed up your clacker to teach you a few manners…


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  62. St Ruth is on board with this essaying of the inexcusable fascism we’ve been blundering through for the last two years:

    In this secret time*
    Invading on our privacy
    Unknowing we mime
    We play for the ministry
    They can tape every cry
    They can tape every laugh
    They can turn you around so won’t know what’s what
    Documented down like rats, they’re catching on every spiel …
    Reel by Reel
    Into the tape spool, we’ll be fed … 😕
    *1978


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  63. rickw:

    Evacuate everyone ahead of the advance. Keep retreating and keep ambushing them as you go. It doesn’t matter if they get a port, as long as you’re making them bleed, eventually they will run out of political steam.

    I don’t remember which one it was maybe the Hungarian Ambassador said to Stalin after the Vyazma* catastrophe – “Don’t surrender, even if you have to retreat to the Urals.” He was right.
    The link is from a Soviet source and contains an amusing mistranslation of the German word ‘Kessel’ for ‘Cauldron’ and translates it to ‘boiler’.


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  64. Crossie:

    We don’t have to see them off, the top end will take care of it. If crazy Euro tourists can’t survive it nobody can.

    Sometimes the world forgets we have a continent here. Not a pissant European country 500 km across.
    The Russians have General Mud and General Snow.
    We have General Hot, General Hotter, and General Flood.
    Try to resupply 500,000 troops through that lot, sucker.


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  65. Wong impregnated the other lesbian , did she?

    seems the fag yearns to be normal, what she needs is psychiatric care not someone else’s children


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  66. Reporting back on my attempted comments in The Australian. As I told Gab, Winston, I kept it fairly mild re acceptance of transgender individuals because I didn’t want the Oz to use that to slam the comment. Might as well have gone for broke, because the following two comments were rejected out of hand, immediately. Some graduate of a school of journalism I once knew hard at work I expect.

    A change in the current testosterone level requirement will not alter the fact that even with newer rules about transgender competitors women will still have to compete against a male’s broad frame, narrower pelvis, greater musculature and more capacious heart and lungs. These all develop in males during puberty and continue into early adulthood to grow and change.

    Men who ‘feel’ they are women are not actually women. They should be treated with courtesy as per their desires where it is simply a matter of social acceptance of their personal choice. But we need to be able to say, without censorship, that trans women are not born women in a physiological sense and they should not compete in physical events with born women.
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    Story: Fury as transgender swimmer powers to college crown
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    17 HOURS AGO

    Congratulations to that bloke who just won the swimming.

    He is a fine figure of a man.

    Oh, he’s a woman? Forgive me, I only looked at the picture.
    Obviously seeing is not believing.
    whatshot0likesreply0replies
    Story: Fury as transgender swimmer powers to college crown
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    17 HOURS AGO

    Bern, btw, I saw your comment re me ‘dishing it out but not taking it’. I think that’s the sort of comment (and me making an angry response about it) that Dover wants to avoid, which is what my comment about ‘rules’ agreed with; the Cat is about the only place where a comment such as the transgender one above can be published. If Dover were to impose a twitter-type censorship of that or other substantive matters then we would have cause to complain and leave – which is all that I said. I also said I did not think Dover would ever do such a thing.

    I won’t be here much anyway


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  67. The Johannes Leak cartoon today is gold — this used to be women’s work is a beauty, Gemma Tognini has a great article in the Oz (Nobody takes down a woman like another woman) when is Peta Credlin going to accuse that crepey-legged, skinned-rabblt armed, doe-eyed, Malcolm-worshipping anorexic scrag of bullying?


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  68. The man in that swimming contest above, as well as looking overpoweringly male, also has male genitals. Female swimmers have complained that his penis is on display in the female change rooms.
    But because of the blanket ban on discussing or complaining about transgenderism in sport, these women are being cowed into accepting that they will no longer win first place in most competitions.


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  69. feelthebern says:
    March 18, 2022 at 10:10 pm
    The bigger issue with Jackson is she continually rules in favour of corporations.
    The socially “progressive” rulings are cover

    Bern, yet those socially “progressive” rulings potentially will do just as much, if not more, harm to individuals, their families and the communities in which they live.
    (And not suggesting that you do not agree).

    While a person in a position of authority should not make decisions only from the perspective of their individual beliefs – for in this “modern” diverse world they represent many “voices,” individual beliefs, whether they be from formal religious tenets or originate from a personal frame of reference, do in fact inform the person, and for good or ill.

    The fact that this nominee has, according to Hawley, sought to weaken what are reasonable sentences/controls for sexual predators says something about her individual moral attitude about many things, not least of which seems to be her legal demeanour to ignore the huge risk that weak custodial sentences of perpetrators have on the safety of the weakest among us.

    If her lack of any moral standard to protect children is being used simply as a cover for her support of corporations in legal matters it is doubly shocking. She would be close in behaviour to a latter day Caesar of the worst kind – I’m thinking of the Christians and the lions.


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  70. Crossie, +1 for Little Red Riding Hood!

    Rabz, that YouTube link to a list of songs, also +1!

    Dr BG, no longer “over there” so you’ll have to “puff alone.”


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  71. But a police officer, speaking anonymously because they are not authorised to speak to the press, said violent crime involving knives and young people had never been worse nor more brutal.

    I don’t think the best way out of this ‘cultural’ mode is to ‘educate’ the relevant yoof.

    I think making it hurt them in some way to be found carrying a knife would be far more effective.
    Prison for those old and bad enough, night time curfew for others with threat of prison and what used to be called borstal (boys home) for those breaking curfew, parental payment of fines, removal of Centrelink benefits, a stint in the army reserve (sorry, army, to do that to you) etc. All would be significant ways of ‘changing the culture’.


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  72. a stint in the army reserve (sorry, army, to do that to you)

    I’d suggest a spell in a Military Corrective Establishment, AKA “Holsworthy.” Anybody who ever went through that, never offended again.


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  73. From the Oz this morning by Shari Markson. It’s not just all rumour; here are Kitching’s own views:

    Senator Kimberley Kitching wrote about the need to stop bullying and make parliament a safer workplace in a letter penned after she was hauled into Kristina ­Keneally’s office and dumped from Labor’s tactics committee. In the letter, Kitching – who died of a suspected heart attack on March 10 – said the Labor caucus should reflect on the difference ­between the “entirely normal contest of political rivals or rival ideas and what could reasonably be characterised as a campaign of bullying”.

    “Standards in workplaces have changed and we should all think about the application of those standards to ensure a safe workplace for everyone here,” she wrote.

    She finalised the seven-page letter and printed it out to deliver by hand to Senator Keneally – deputy leader of the opposition in the Senate – on June 21, 2021.

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    Kitching had been hauled into a closed-door meeting the week before with Keneally where she was wrongly accused of disloyalty and siding with Liberal minister Linda Rey­nolds over the Brittany Higgins allegations. Instead of ­delivering the document, Kitching chose to have a one-on-one meeting with Richard Marles to present her case as outlined in her letter.

    That meeting took place the next day, June 22, at 3.30pm in his office. “She felt Richard was the most senior person in the leadership group and in the Right (faction) who could protect her from this,” a source close to her told The Weekend Australian.

    Kitching raised with Marles how she was being frozen out by the Senate leadership team and spoke about being unfairly dumped from the tactics committee – a senior group that meets daily to decide on question time strategy.

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    Marles has come under pressure this week over what ­action he took – if any – after Kitching raised her concerns with him, as first ­revealed by The Australian on Wednesday. Marles has refused to address the questions, citing ­respect for Kitching and her family ahead of her funeral on Monday. Kitching’s letter has been provided to The Weekend Australian by those close to her after a week in which senior Labor figures sought to dismiss any suggestion she was subject to unfair treatment by Penny Wong and Keneally. Friends say Kitching was subject to a pattern of hostile behaviour by senior Labor figures that resulted in her being frozen out and ostracised. Wong on Friday said she apologised to Senator Kitching after saying during a heated meeting that she wouldn’t understand the climate change emergency ­because she didn’t have children. Kitching had been unable to have children.

    Kitching’s letter provided a detailed rebuttal to claims she warned Reynolds, the then defence minister, about the Higgins affair.

    In the letter, she wrote that there was “obviously, generally, a fine line between the entirely normal contest of political rivals or rival ideas and what could be reasonably characterised as a campaign of bullying.

    “That’s something I think all senators should reflect on, within our caucus and beyond it.

    “Standards in workplaces have changed and we should all think about the application of those standards to ensure a safe workplace for everyone here.”

    Kitching calls for a “fair, transparent process” for dealing with matters like hers and says it should be a matter of discussion at Labor caucus.

    “While Senator Reynolds’ claims are easily dispensed with, as I have demonstrated, that might not always be the case in these situations, so a fair, transparent process for dealing with these matters is probably welcome and prudent,” she wrote.

    “Outlining how you think this might work going forward might be usefully discussed at a Senate caucus meeting.”

    Kitching noted that she frequently heard “lurid things” Wong had said about her and others.

    In the context of disputing the credibility of Reynolds’ claims that Kitching had pre-warned her about the Higgins saga, Kitching writes that there are often scurrilous rumours that turn out to be lies. “Obviously enough, if we were to accept as fact every claim made about us by Liberals, there would be no-one left in the caucus,” she wrote.



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  74. “Shameful silence is a killer in communities ” Janet AlbrechtsenFollow @jkalbrechtsen

    11:00PM March 18, 2022
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    After the jury’s unanimous verdict last week finding Zachary Rolfe not guilty of murdering ­Kumanjayi Arnold Walker, Warlpiri elder Ned Jampijinpa Hargraves asked: “When are we going to get justice?”

    “When?” he cried, in front of a media pack.

    Justice in the eyes of Walker’s family and many in his community means putting a young white policeman in jail, irrespective of his innocence. They want answers for their boy’s death. The easiest one is to blame a white cop, ignoring that Walker was a troubled and violent man who savagely bashed his girlfriend, attacked a policeman with an axe, used a pair of scissors as a dagger to stab Rolfe and was threatening to stab Rolfe’s partner Adam Eberl before he was shot.

    The family’s grief is understandable. Harder to digest are kneejerk and stubbornly blind reactions from community groups, from legal bodies, from elite elders, and from sections of the media. Not to mention the silence from high profile women who almost daily use their media platforms to condemn violence against certain kinds of women. They have not said a word about the violent abuse suffered by Walker’s teenage girlfriend.

    Justice has many sides. While the jury delivered a unanimous decision about the circumstances leading to Walker’s death, what about the circumstances of his life? Who cares about the injustice that turned a baby into a violent and deeply troubled young boy named Arnold Walker?

    As The Australian reported this week, this is a story about a ­little boy whose mother was a “sniffer” and drank heavily while pregnant, a boy given away and reared in different homes where he was surrounded by alcohol abuse and domestic violence, shunted from place to place only to endure more dysfunction.

    At 15 months old, Walker was suffering from various infections, nits and scabies. At 11, he was breaking into properties. By 13, he was drinking and taking drugs, inhaling petrol, paint, and deodorant. He had no real home.

    There will be a shot at justice when Indigenous babies can avoid Walker’s fate. That will only happen when Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australia alike wakes up to the epidemic of ­dysfunction and violence in some Indigenous communities. When we demand that it be addressed by all levels of society: government, civil society, and by the communities where violence and abuse hides and thrives behind walls of silence.

    There will also be a shot at justice for Indigenous girls when they can avoid the fate of Walker’s girlfriend, Rickisha Robertson. Walker was barely 15 when he started bashing the teenage Rickisha. But no one has uttered a word about the injustice to a young girl who was regularly and brutally bashed by Walker.

    The Australian detailed that horrifying story this week too. It started when Robertson was 14. Walker beat her with a piece of steel. He punched her, kicked her, in her face and to her body. He bit her face. He choked her, holding her neck with two hands, lifting her off the ground. Not once or twice. But regularly. Not alone. It happened in front of others in the small Yuendumu community.

    “It was really hard that he was assaulting me but he always said: ‘I forgive you’,” Robertson told The Australian in an interview.

    “I’m the one who was getting in his way,” she said.

    Who cares about the ingrained injustice where an abused young Indigenous girl blames herself for being bashed? If white feminists can’t condemn this, what is their point?

    Alas, on Indigenous matters, we prefer to obsess about the safe, the symbolic moves. Australians got behind Kevin Rudd’s symbolic apology in parliament. That must have made plenty of white people feel better.

    Now we’re obsessing about a constitutional race-based voice for Indigenous people, another device for elites to chat and debate and complain. That will make us feel better too. Look, we will say, we are doing something.

    And then we can carry on in studied ignorance while more ­babies are neglected and abused and grow into men like Walker. And we will continue to run scared from racial discrimination claims so that Indigenous children are not removed from dire neglect and abuse.

    After the verdict, Indigenous man Warren Williams demanded that Indigenous people be “recognised as true owners of this land. We need to have control of our lives. We have our own yapa system in our culture, in our law.”

    Who cares about the ingrained injustice where an abused young Indigenous girl blames herself for being bashed? If white feminists can’t condemn this, what is their point?.

    For how long will land rights be the focus of Indigenous elders while young Indigenous girls ­suffer horrific violence? Where is the call for justice for Rickisha Robertson from those in the Yuendumu community who are demanding justice for Walker?

    After the verdict this week, another elder said that the community is deeply disappointed with the trial: “I can’t with honesty say that it’s been fair … this is not the last you will hear from Kumanjayi Walker’s family.”

    Yes, we need to hear more. When will we hear elders condemn men in their own community, men like Walker, who repeatedly abused a teenage girl?

    Nurses who worked and lived in the Yuendumu community faced constant and horrific violence too? Perpetrators were not prosecuted. Instead, the nurses were evacuated from the Indigenous community for their safety.



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  75. From Medscape – a long article with many case studies of transitioning regret and inability to get help in detransitioning. Also a recognition that many young people become obsessed with online sites pushing transitioning in the first place, in a form of psychological mindsetting. Slowly being recognised as an issue of great and under-reported significance.

    Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those With Transgender Regret
    Alicia Ault

    March 14, 2022

    In a unique Zoom conference, a number of detransitioners enumerated the ways they said the medical establishment initially failed them when they transitioned to the opposite gender, and again, when they decided to go back to their natal gender.

    The forum was convened on what was dubbed #DetransitionAwarenessDay by Genspect, a parent-based organization that seeks to put the brakes on medical transitions for children and adolescents. The group has doubts about the gender-affirming care model supported by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and other medical groups.

    “Affirmative” medical care is defined as treatment with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for those with gender dysphoria to transition to the opposite sex and is often followed by gender reassignment surgery. However, there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.

    The purpose of the second annual Genspect meeting, held March 12, was to shed light on the experiences of individuals who have detransitioned — those that identified as transgender and transitioned, but then decided to end their medical transition. People logged on from all over the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Chile, and Brazil, among other countries.

    “This is a minority within a minority,” said Genspect advisor Stella O’Malley, adding that the first meeting in 2021 was held because “too many people were dismissing the stories of the detransitioners.” O’Malley is a psychotherapist, a clinical advisor to the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, and a founding member of the International Association of Therapists for Desisters and Detransitioners.

    “It’s become blindingly obvious over the last year that…’detrans’ is a huge part of the trans phenomenon,” said O’Malley, adding that detransitioners have been “undermined and dismissed.”

    Laura Edwards-Leeper, PhD (@DrLauraEL), a prominent gender therapist who has recently expressed concern regarding adequate gatekeeping when treating youth with gender dysphoria, agreed.

    She tweeted: “You simply can’t call yourself a legit gender provider if you don’t believe that detransitioners exist. As part of the informed consent process for transitioning, it is unethical to not discuss this possibility with young people.” Edwards-Leeper is professor emeritus in the School of Graduate Psychology at Pacific University in Hillsboro, Oregon.

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    Cite this: Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those With Transgender Regret – Medscape – Mar 14, 2022.



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