Open Thread – Weekend 23 April 2022


An Evening in Arcadia, Thomas Cole, 1843

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 23, 2022 10:52 am

I recall reading something about China trying to move to Brazilian ore during covid, but being stymied by flooding there

Don’t have a reference, but the Chinese have tried to make the move to Brazilian ore, a few years ago, – the Australian ore is high quality, and the Brazilian is rubbish.

local oaf
April 23, 2022 10:52 am

Not quite the Holodomor, but Labor will need Commissars and Enforcement Squads to ensure “implementation”.

I think there will be twenty five thousand positions opening up for enthusiastic volunteers!

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
April 23, 2022 10:53 am

Davey Boy, local pleb, continues to keep an eye on proceedings at the local (Cumberland) council meetings where Labor now has the majority 8-7, with a Labor Mayor. Results of this may (or may not, who knows) provide insights into what could happen if the Liars win federally in May.

Below is a précis of the latest Council meeting (20/4/22), illustrating how Labor rolls in Cumberland (time stamps are from the summary video):

00:07 Opening Prayer etc
00:50 Commence discussion on motion to adopt the draft 22/23 Council budget
01:54 Labor Councillor wants to be able to spend more OPM
02:14 another Labor Councillor agrees that spending more OPM is good
02:37 non-Labor Councillor tries to amend the budget motion, so as to prevent a rates rise (which was voted for by Labor in the previous Council meeting)
03:19 Labor mayor blocks that amendment
04:14 Council officer describes the different types of OPM (Club vs Community grants)
05:01 Labor deputy mayor tries to embarrass a non-Labor Councillor, ends up embarrassing himself
06:46 the draft budget motion is carried
07:14 Community Engagement strategy, we discover that 32,000 Cumberland residents don’t speak English
07:31 non-Labor Councillors attempt a rescission motion, in an attempt to prevent the rates rise previously voted for by Labor
08:17 Labor: it’s all the fault of the Liberal state gubbmint
09:59 Labor: Oh noes! OPM fragility! we must increase rates to get more OPM otherwise we’ll all be rooned (redux)
10:37 we discover how much business rates will rise
11:36 Labor councillors: yeah, whatever
12:16 we discover that Council forecasts budget surpluses even without the proposed rates rise
12:41 non-Labor councillor issues a plea to Labor to reconsider the rates rise
14:12 non-Labor councillor summarises Labor achievements in the current Council (Racism Not Welcome signs and Council meeting prayer breaks)
14:50 the rescission motion is defeated by Labor using its majority, so rates will go up
15:33 That’s enough for now, let’s all go home

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
April 23, 2022 10:54 am
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 10:58 am

https://www.climate200.com.au/our-donors
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/23/coalition-scrimps-on-mps-as-climate-200-backed-independents-outspend-them-in-key-seats
On advertising, analysis of Facebook and Google political ad transparency data shows independent candidates, backed by Climate 200 and donations from individuals, are outspending their opponents by tens of thousands of dollars on digital ads in Kooyong, North Sydney, Mackellar, Wentworth and Goldstein. This also includes ads for candidates run by the Climate 200 Facebook page, as well as Liberal party Facebook pages.

This analysis only covers digital advertising on Facebook, Google’s ad network and YouTube and does not include advertising from other sources, such as print, TV or outdoors.

So effectively a slush fund targeting only coalition seats..

A few highlights of the leaders of climate 200.
Climate 200 was established in the lead up to the 2019 federal election by a group of concerned Australians
Simon Holmes à Court
Convenor
Simon is a senior advisor to the Climate and Energy College at Melbourne University. Simon is also a cleantech investor*, climate philanthropist and a director of the Smart Energy Council and the Australian Environmental Grant-makers Network.


Byron Fay
Executive Director
Byron is a climate strategist, former Paris Agreement negotiator and adviser to the Independent Senator Tim Storer. Byron worked for a Biden-aligned Political Action Committee during the 2020 US presidential election, holds a Masters of Public Policy from the University of Oxford, and is a proud descendant of the Dharug nation.**

Jim Middleton
Media Advisor
Jim Middleton is one of Australia’s most recognisable and respected national press gallery veterans. He is deeply established in the political landscape after a 45 year career as senior political journalist, foreign correspondent and TV news presenter.***
….
John Hewson AM
Advisory Council
John was the Liberal Member for Wentworth 1987–1995, leader of the Liberal Party 1990–1994, followed by successful academic and corporate career.****
….
Some more of the rogues gallery of “completely normal people with access to a lot of money’…
Barry Jones AC
Meg Lees AO
Tony Windsor
Rob Oakeshott

Dr Kerryn Phelps AM

*Simon is making a political investment to assist his financial ones..
** Pale, pointy nosed edition.
*** ABCcess tax eater and Trump hater.
**** Noted baked goods enthusiast. With no reason other than the good of his heart to support this

Struth
April 23, 2022 10:59 am

It’s not a lie.
I’m not going to reveal details of the child, other than to say they were very, very young.
In for another day of paid by the word ranting it seems.

LIES LIES LIES.
Children did not catch covid when it was at it’s most potent at the start, and they still don’t.

They are catching colds and the like with weakened immune systems and having strokes and getting Myocarditis ONLY AFTER BEING INJECTED.
Hence, I find Notaclue’s continued defence and attempted normalisation of the jab as completely evil.
She’s a POS and the sane here must know it.
It’s just many of you are too piss weak to call it out.
KIDS NEVER GOT COVID BEFORE THE JAB.

Unfortunately for you, you evil, evil cow, some of us have memories and aren’t lost to denialism.

Those children are jabbed.
And those that aren’t haven’t got covid.
Those that have been jabbed are failing at fighting off colds that at one time would not have hospitised them.

You are so anti-human.
You are so ridiculous as to it not be possible to be that stubborn and ignorant.
One can only conclude you are evil.

Vicki
Vicki
April 23, 2022 11:00 am

Getting the Chinese to pay more for the materials they are using in manufacture to dominate the world is a good thing or a bad thing?
Using those materials ourselves, our own recourses we supply to ourselves cheaper so we can manufacture and value add, is a good or bad thing?

It’s a “no brainer”. However, you are right Struth, it is all about balls.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 11:00 am

The favoured plan appears to be to inflate our way out of debt

Time honoured. Shame about the periodic recessions. Saving is for suckers.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 11:01 am

If someone wants to participate in the proceeds of sale of “our national bounty” why don’t hey buy shares in BHP, Rio etc?

They probably already are, through their super. Perhaps that is enough exposure for most. The remaining income being put to surviving, mortgage etc.

The obvious choice is don’t incur the ridiculous level of debt in the first place. But I’ve already noted above our debt addiction isn’t going away any time soon. So there remains a few options to ponder.

Accept and surrender our fates to our Govts profligate borrowing and spending habits.
Accept the economic and financial uncertainties of oscillating (maybe very painfully) interest rates on our growing mountain of national indebtedness.
Hope to hell that we don’t have a disastrous economic calamity ahead of us, such a bust in commodities, which would severely undermine our currency and national accounts.
Find ways of paying down the debt within a reasonable period , through spending cuts and taxation strategies.

I don’t have the answers. I’m still trying to navigate the various landscapes. But if we don’t come to grips with this debt issue, we are leaving our future in the hands of our creditors , our customers and the rating agencies. I wouldn’t call any of them friends.

“Why would any mining company in the world invest one cent more than it currently has in a jurisdiction …”. If the ore body in our ultra safe mining jurisdiction is of a viable quality (and many are) to produce profits, it will get off the ground. Alternatives are the US, Canada and those Govt’s aren’t any less prone to tax tinkering than we are. China has dodgy Africa.

“How much do you think is “fair”? ” What’s NOT fair is our energy prices while we sit on and export mountains of it in gas. We should sequester enough gas for domestic use at regulated (yes) pricing so that our electricity costs are brought down by min 25%. That may be considered one form of a tax. As an example.

Palmer may not have the right answers but I agree with him that we had better start focusing on his question about the debt.

rosie
rosie
April 23, 2022 11:01 am

Okay Dickie

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:02 am

Of course the Ukraine war is part of the great reset, and you’ll find jabbed denialists wanting to roll around in every little detail of it refusing to see the big picture.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 11:07 am

Don’t have a reference, but the Chinese have tried to make the move to Brazilian ore, a few years ago, – the Australian ore is high quality, and the Brazilian is rubbish.

Brazin had a major mining incident a few years back that did 2 things.

.1 Pushed back export volumes.
.2 Made the government introduce a raft of regulation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vale-sa-disaster-iron-ore-idUSKCN1PO17Q
The world’s largest iron ore miner is facing public ire and tougher regulation after the collapse of its tailings dam in the Brazilian region of Brumadinho killed at least 84 in one of the country’s worst ever industrial disasters. Hundreds are still missing and presumed dead.

Vale on Tuesday said it would take up to 10 percent of its output offline as it decommissions a total of 19 dams over three years, a move that would cut up to 40 million tonnes of iron ore production a year.

That could dethrone Vale as the No.1 supplier of sea-borne iron ore, and benefit Australian rivals such as Rio Tinto, BHP Group and Fortescue Metals Group, said Vivek Dhar of Commonwealth Bank.

Why its gone on so long I have no idea, I would have thought they would have ramped up again by now.

And apparently their stuff was good quality.
Weakened margins at steel mills in China have also worked against the high-grade ore supplier, with Chinese operators slashing input costs by taking lower-quality, cheaper ores in recent months.

LB
LB
April 23, 2022 11:07 am

The shallow minister for Ag. certainly led a varied life before entering politics.

The relevant Wikipedia entry may provide further clarification:

Collins attended Cosgrove High School. She enrolled in a college to complete the final two years of her secondary education, but had to discontinue her studies for financial reasons. Shortly after the 1987 federal election she began working for the ALP as an administrative assistant. She holds a certificate IV in business administration.

Collins is one of just 4 members of the 46th Parliament of Australia who did not graduate from high school, the others being Jacqui Lambie, Llew O’Brien and Terry Young

Vicki
Vicki
April 23, 2022 11:08 am

BTW as we have returned to the jabs on this blog…..

Husband and I (unvaxxed as you know) contracted some sort of respiratory virus from family at Easter. Fairly mild but had to cancel a Sydney dental appointment & we decided (after a couple of negative RATs) to get drive-by PCR at Northern Beaches Hospital. Within 24 hrs result : both NEGATIVE……..

Did some internet research & discovered that a respiratory virus with Covid like symptoms (AKA “the common cold” – if a more pronounced version) is circulating in Sydney. Daughter was convinced it was “Long Covid” with them…..but clearly not.

Moral of the story? The Covid madness continues, fuelled by this continuing FEAR.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 11:10 am

China is weaning itself off Australian iron ore.

By going after African i/o which is the only product of similar quality. Quality is important as producing steel requires a lot of energy and produces lots of noxious gasses. More of both with inferior quality i/o. Increased air pollution and higher energy cost inputs are being targeted for dramatic reductions by the CCP. So dodgy African jurisdiction is the go to option.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 11:10 am

I mentioned in passing my Sister was a train driver for Rio and his immediate response was “Aaaah a Koala”…

Train guys were known as koala bears in the 80s. As a (somewhat) poor Uni student I was in awe of their smoko esky.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 11:11 am

China is weaning itself off our Iron ore?

Prove that nonsense.

It’s Chinese government policy, to be delivered via 5 year plans – natch – and they’re already 1 year into the first tranche.

Alternative suppliers will be west Africa, where the Simandou range has high quality deposits, Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan & the aforementioned Brazil, plus smaller suppliers such as Burma. Domestic production will be boosted by 30%.

The move is driven not just by concerns about being a customer of number one public enemy Australia, but also economics and national security, as China seeks to guarantee its supply of minerals (not just iron ore) against the backdrop of increasing international insecurity and deglobalisation.

Of course they could fail, but we wouldn’t want to bet on it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 11:15 am

I was in awe of their smoko esky.

What?? heres my sisters.

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:15 am

Long covid is suffered by hyperchondriacs and attention seekers.

With the flu disappearing, being renamed covid, we are still yet to have any proof covid exists, bar long covid.
Remember one thing.
Your enemy is not going to introduce a disease which may kill them.
They are just going to use fear propaganda.

MatrixTransform
April 23, 2022 11:18 am

Long covid is suffered by hyperchondriacs and attention seekers.

steel-caps , bollocks and hi-viz are the best cure for short or long covid

Miltonf
Miltonf
April 23, 2022 11:22 am

Thanks to all who answered my question this morning

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:23 am

Are you honestly giving me a communist “5 year plan” as proof?
Prove they are weaning themselves off Australian Iron ore.
I did not ask if they want to or not.
Of course they’d love to.
They can’t.
Personally, if it were me, 25% plus would only be applied to China and murderous dictatorships attempting global dominance wherever they may present themselves, giving us the ability to sell cheaper elsewhere….and especially domestically.
We have more leverage than gutless, piss their pants Australians want to accept.
We aren’t the land of the brave and the home of the free after all.
For precisely that reason.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 11:25 am

I knew you’d have difficulty handling facts.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 11:25 am

Dot, heres one for your files…
Complete dirtbag, repeated, becomes millionaire by filming women engaged in skankery…
Women : Reeeeee how could this happen….

‘Lives were being ruined’: the dark history of Girls Gone Wild

Francis dominated the soft-core porn market in the early internet days; millions of people purchased footage of the girls – often barely over 18 and sometimes younger, predominantly white, thin and blonde – getting badgered by cameramen to take more shots, take their tops off, make out with their friends, use sex toys on themselves. Obviously, this has not aged well.*
…..
“Behind the fun and the wet T-shirt competitions and this sort of faux feminist liberation – flashing your breasts for the camera – lives were being ruined,” the film’s director, Katinka Blackford Newman, told the Guardian. “And there are people whose lives are still being impacted.**”

They featured girls, sometimes underage and manipulated into commercial releases while drunk***, performing sexual acts on themselves or each other under blatant pressure from Francis****. Some, such as Nichole, who appears in the documentary, did not even know she was being taped. Another participant, Tabitha, says she was 17 and drunk when she was talked into a wet T-shirt contest; five years later, she found herself an unwitting poster girl of Girls Gone Wild. (Despite years of legal battles, DVDs featuring her are still being sold.)
….
A woman in her mid-30s named Jannel alleges that Francis, whom she trusted because he was a celebrity associated with such figures as Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, fed her shots, manipulated her into masturbating on camera, and raped her in the back of the Girls Gone Wild tour bus.

“Of course, his legacy lives on in the lives that he’s ruined, the women whose images he stole, either by filming them without their permission or getting them blind drunk and persuading them to take part in seedy sex scenes without payment.

* Probably better than the skankettes themselves.
** No man will marry me because theres footage of me fellating a football team for sale…
*** The “Im only a raging harlot when Im drunk” defence..
**** Go on do it, do it… dooo iiiit!!
***** At this stage its quite clear the bloke is a porn maker, and all around dirt bag… but hey, he might make me famous!

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:27 am

Of course they could fail, but we wouldn’t want to bet on it.

Do you see what I mean?
This sort of attitude in the real world, with hard arsed nations and men, real business to deal with, this attitude is death.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 11:35 am

This sort of attitude in the real world, with hard arsed nations and men, real business to deal with, this attitude is death.

On the contrary; what I meant was we should be prepared for change. That is the real world we live in.

Imagining that things will always stay the same is both lazy and foolish.

It’s the sort of second rate leadership that has robbed post-war Australia of a very bright future. Thankfully, we’re a “lucky country”, but we can’t ride that luck forever.

Miltonf
Miltonf
April 23, 2022 11:36 am

Another question. What was the reason Caltex is rebadging as Ampol?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 11:37 am

If the ore body in our ultra safe mining jurisdiction is of a viable quality (and many are) to produce profits, it will get off the ground.

What’s “ultra-safe” about a jurisdiction that slaps a 15% tax on gross revenues?

What makes you think any project will make a profit with a 15% tax on gross revenues? And even if it theoretically could, would it be a profit worth the investment risk?

Note that any new project takes geology risk [no offence Rockdoctor] that the ore body won’t be as good as the test drilling made it look. There are also substantial startup costs e.g. getting rail transport infrastructure [choo choo!!!] to the mine site. A new project will only go ahead if the predicted after-tax return, taking into account all costs and risks, looks good in comparison with alternative opportunities. Putting a 15% tax on predicted gross revenues into the spreadsheet is not the way to attract investment.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 11:38 am

struthsays:

April 23, 2022 at 10:16 am

The pathetic rusted ons poo pooing UAP.
The 15% export licence is an export tax to be paid by the customer. …not Australians….like the Chinese who NEED our Iron ore.

Looks like Fat Cloive’s policy works as intended (harvesting dim-bulb voters).
Apart from sea water and sand, iron ore is about the most plentiful resource on the planet. Too many Australians believe we have a monopoly on the world iron ore market.
We don’t.
There are massive reserves in Africa which totally dwarf the Pilbara. A 15% tax on Australian ore puts them right in the frame.
The Chinese don’t NEED our iron ore. It is conveniently located and the price is right … for now.
These were precisely the arguments raised by Fat Cloive when Gillard proposed a mining tax.
Then we get a classic Green-Left argument “Oh, no. The tax is on the business. We won’t let them pass it on or change their commercial behaviour as a result”.
I can imagine the Chinese steel mill owners sitting around in Beijing saying, “No. We can’t do nafink. Fat Crive says we have to just pay tax. So we will have to pay it. End of story”.

local oaf
April 23, 2022 11:40 am

Petros says:
April 23, 2022 at 5:48 am

What happened to Des Deskperson?

Indeed, and also what happened to Miss Anthropist?

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
April 23, 2022 11:40 am

It’s covid!
It’s the uk strain!
It’s the indian subvariant!
It’s the Sathafrican variant!
It’s alpha!
It’s beta!
It’s epsilon!
It’s ommer cron!
It’s a new more virulent variant!
It’s a new phantom strain!
It’s asymptomatic covid!
It’d asymptomatic but still deadly spreadly covid!
It’s a new name for variants!
It’s BA.2.20/4Q covid!
It’s PCR COVID!
It’s 1.8m socialdistance sensitive covid!
It’s 66.6% seating capacity covid!
It’s RAT covid!
It’s $50 000 if you don’t tell your overlords covid!
It’s coming for your kids after all covid!
It’s domestic pets covid!
That suicide is not about covid!
It’s scientists predict a winter of death covid!
That heart attack is long covid!
That business collapse is not covid!
That sportsfield collapse is not the jab covid!
It’s long covid!
Everything is covid!
Apart from anything which might suggest individual discretion is warranted, that’s not covid!
The wlrld is covid!
Only your government can protect you from covid!

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
April 23, 2022 11:41 am

Des Deskperson won bigly betting on the Eagles in 2018 iirc.
He’s probably keeping abit of a low profile right now.

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:42 am

I knew you’d have difficulty handling facts.

Haven’t seen any.
China has nowhere to go regarding Iron Ore.
Brazil and Africa can’t compete or it already would have happened.
Our dept and disaster has occured due to the enviro-sabotage of our nation via the traitors working for the UN/WEF global communists also in with China.

If we had balls, we could make them pay and take away their power based near entirely on OUR iron ore.
I would even argue that we owe the world to stop supplying it to them as cheap as we are.
It will cost us too greatly in the long run, as we are now finding out.

facts?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 11:42 am

Long covid is suffered by hyperchondriacs and attention seekers.

Can’t be true struth.

I saw an American study which said it was suffered disproportionately highly by affluent tertiary educated urban dwelling upper middle class white women.

We’ll accept a graceful retraction.

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:46 am

I believe, off hand, we are about 50% of the world’s exports of Iron ore.

It absolutely underpins China’s very survival.

Hence their little traitor Mark McGowan is firmly grabbing the state of WA for the Chinese who are as I type , attempting to buy outright, huge swathes of the Pilbara.

The fact that most of us can’t get into WA has nothing to do with Covid.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 11:50 am

What makes you think any project will make a profit with a 15% tax on gross revenues?

I’m not advocating a 15% tax on gross. Can’t you fkg read?

I’m saying that the ore body quality and the extraction costs in capital are the biggest determinants of a viable project. AND that the national debt now and in future IMO weighs much higher than the magnitude of future profit margins of our resource exploiters.There is a better balance to be found. But I want to see Australian taxes and living costs come down, way tf down.

What’s “ultra-safe” about a jurisdiction that slaps a 15% tax on gross revenues?

Compared to what ? Africa? Sth America? Russia? Yes- it’s ultra safe by comparison. You must be some kind of fool to think mining will wind up overnight because a resource based tax of some sort (NOT onerous ) is announced.

Let’s hear your plan to tackle our debt? More of the same? Borrow and Hope? Prayer? Do you have anything at all worthwhile that might alleviate this horrendously stupid situation we’ve raced into?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 11:51 am

The CEO of Panoramic Resources once listed to me all the things that could go wrong in a nickel mining operation from startup to selling. It’s a wonder any project goes ahead. Certainly they don’t unless the projected profits are massive, to cover the costs of all the ones that crater.
Anyone who thinks a 15% tax on gross revenues won’t get projects canned is living in fantasyland.

[Mole, it was Peter Harold. Did you work there when he was in charge?]

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:51 am

Apart from sea water and sand, iron ore is about the most plentiful resource on the planet. Too many Australians believe we have a monopoly on the world iron ore market.
We don’t.
There are massive reserves in Africa which totally dwarf the Pilbara. A 15% tax on Australian ore puts them right in the frame.
The Chinese don’t NEED our iron ore. It is conveniently located and the price is right … for now.

I could go to town on this dishonest and either purposefully ignorant comment, or purposefully dishonest comment, with regards to such things as quality of product and infrastracture, distance etc, and will come back to do so, if I have to, however, anyone else found their balls lately?

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 11:52 am

LIES LIES LIES.
Children did not catch covid when it was at it’s most potent at the start, and they still don’t.

Anyone can catch Covid.

It is one of the roughly 100 viruses that cause the common cold.

Calm down struth. You’re getting caught up in this and it is making you talk utter nonsense.

Covid was just a cold (like SARS or MERS too). It was never going to be a scythe through society, and kids aren’t immune from catching it.

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:52 am

Makka always had some balls.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 11:54 am

Miltonfsays:

April 23, 2022 at 11:36 am

Another question. What was the reason Caltex is rebadging as Ampol?

Part of the Big Reset.

Struth
April 23, 2022 11:56 am

LIES LIES LIES.
Children did not catch covid when it was at it’s most potent at the start, and they still don’t.

Anyone can catch Covid.

It is one of the roughly 100 viruses that cause the common cold.

Calm down struth. You’re getting caught up in this and it is making you talk utter nonsense.

Covid was just a cold (like SARS or MERS too). It was never going to be a scythe through society, and kids aren’t immune from catching it.

Fuck off dot.
Anyone can catch a cold.
Kids do it more than adults.

However we were specifically told right at the start that kids didn’t catch covid……….and they didn’t.
They can’t have it both ways.
They never used to catch covid but since being jabbed they now can?

F off!!
Are you buying that shit now you’re jabbed with the memory killing, denialist causing, genocide jab?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 11:56 am

Thanks Roger at 11:11 for that succinct real-world rebuttal of Fat Cloive’s resident urger.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 11:57 am

I think the Cat is over-capitalised again this morning.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 11:57 am

Big balls = more iron ore. Western Australians have always known this.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 11:58 am

However we were specifically told right at the start that kids didn’t catch covid

We were lied to. This is why only about a month in, I wasn’t having any of it. That and they never admitted prior lies – viz: “the science! changed”…

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:00 pm

F off!!
Are you buying that shit now you’re jabbed with the memory killing, denialist causing, genocide jab?

That’s right, Novavax altered my midichlorians and I need to release them in blonde and Japanese 22 year old promo girls. To create balance in the force.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 12:01 pm

The CEO of Panoramic Resources once listed to me all the things that could go wrong in a nickel mining operation from startup to selling.

Nickel. Notoriously volatile commodity so not surprised he worries. But nickel is doing relatively ok at present thanks to the green future we apparently will have.

And bleating CEO’s are thick on the ground when their precious profits and share prices are of concern. Despite the eco and “first nations” rubbish they have to contend with.

The people most deserving of any consideration or sympathy right now and in future are the Australian taxpayers and households who will have to swallow this debt with interest as we hopefully struggle through. It won’t be fkg mining CEO’s we need to worry about.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:05 pm

“Of course, his legacy lives on in the lives that he’s ruined, the women whose images he stole, either by filming them without their permission or getting them blind drunk and persuading them to take part in seedy sex scenes without payment.

You’re only a slut, not a white, take it as a huge compliment.

Some SIMP married Riley Reid.

What loss?

“A man charmed me into a three way”

“Ditto, on camera, I wasn’t paid, ergo rape”

“I was paid, so it wasn’t rape”

Which can only mean – you’re a white after all.

If you are so incompetent you don’t understand that you get paid contemporaneously to the sex acts, you need to be income managed and have a legal guardian.

Stop making ridiculous legal claims 20 years after the fact!

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:06 pm

Not a whore…and fuck you autocorrect.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 12:07 pm

[Mole, it was Peter Harold. Did you work there when he was in charge?]

Yes I was there for their first ballsy venture, restarting the old Lanfranchi Nickel mine. I came on board as trainer/medic/safety dude when there was just a dayshift crew doing the re-entry and refurbishment of the old workings.
They picked up the old lease very cheap (Western mining) with a huge amount of development already done.

Nice mob, clever, staked a shitload on it (houses the lot) in a joint venture with a Canadian company and they had an extremely good geo lady who put them right on top of a massive orebody very close to where the old Western mining workings stopped.
Regretted leaving that site to fail in my own little business venture.

Think I still have a pair of handmade boots they gave out as a Christmas Bonus, their dad made them.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:08 pm

And bleating CEO’s are thick on the ground when their precious profits and share prices are of concern. Despite the eco and “first nations” rubbish they have to contend with.

If only I had a female Aboriginal night shift crushing mill operator…

Sure champ, that keeps shareholders awake at night.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 12:14 pm

Sure champ, that keeps shareholders awake at night.

Don’t show your ignorance dotty. Unfortunately the ESG costs to any miner are quite substantial. Where they can explore, dig and extract. How they do it. The compliance costs, indidge engagement, water management, tailings management and compliance, manpower, training , legal, delays (which cost heaps)… it goes on and on. So in that comment I was just showing a modicum of sympathy.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 23, 2022 12:15 pm

Big balls = more iron ore. Western Australians have always known this.

97.3% correct.
You also have to pack up cock-smoking to be able to trade commodities.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
April 23, 2022 12:17 pm

Rules for COVID-19 close contacts in Queensland have been eased but a social services group says the new requirements could put further pressure on families already struggling with the rising cost of living.
From 6pm next Thursday, asymptomatic close contacts in Queensland who test negative for the virus will no longer need to quarantine for a week.
Instead, they’ll be required to wear masks indoors, and outdoors where they can’t socially distance, for seven days.
Additionally, they’ll need to return a negative Rapid Antigen Test (RAT) result every second day since they became a close contact.

Three questions:
* Why are they wearing masks to prevent an illness that currently in Qld has a 1% hospitalisation rate? (that’s without counting all the positive RATs that don’t get reported or all the infections that don’t even get tested.)
* What’s the real false positive rate on RATs?
* Have you ever seen a RAT that was NOT made in China?

To be fair, the highest observational (not computer model) figure I’ve seen for effectiveness of mandatory masks is a 45% reduction, from Jena in Germany relative to other German regions that didn’t mask-up until later. So you can always find some study somewhere to support the statement “masks work” just as you can find many studies that found no significant effect. Hard to know what to believe if you read around.

One widely-cited paper stated “SARS-CoV-2 is an enveloped virus ?0.1 ?m in diameter, so N95 masks are capable of filtering most free virions” and references favourable tests of 0.1 ?m size particles (PFE) even from surgical masks.. Key word “capable”. The filter material is capable of it, but the masks most people wear aren’t sealed at the edges so the filter is frequently bypassed.
The reduction of ingested viral load has been reported as significant in affecting whether the person gets infected (and later sick), so this thresholding effect may explain why masks are observed to be effective in reducing the incidence of illness even though they cannot completely block the virus.

Struth
April 23, 2022 12:20 pm

Anyone who thinks a 15% tax on gross revenues won’t get projects canned is living in fantasyland.

No one is talking about a tax on gross revenues.
It’s an EXPORT licence, to be paid by the customer, ( a non Australian country).
We all used to understand, and we all know that increasing a cost on a product makes it less competitive.
However, if your competition is useless you make as much hay as you can when the sun shines.

You can always drop the price again if you have to.
However, even a fucking public servant understands the concept of a virtual monopoly.
They understand that shit very well.

You think they can get the AMOUNT of iron ore at the quality they need elsewhere, without there being at least a 15% cost added by turning Australia’s Iron ore down?
Our product is the best on the planet.

I’ll type slowly, so the easily butt fucked can understand.
Look up the term playing hard-ball.

We, as a nation are deeply in the shit.
Caused by the people Sanchos and his ilk want you to keep voting for.

It’s hard ball time, or die.

It’s what Trump did to China, and it hurt enough for Soros and the WEF to take over the USA in a coup, complete with troops around the capital that were Democrat supporters only.
And there in lies the actual thing to be concerned about.
The reaction to playing hard ball.
I would argue that all western nations fell because of Trump winning and especially against China.
The virus immediately appeared after he got them by the short and curlies and made their eyes squint.
The trade deal only able to be ignored in the event of a global pandemic.
And there it was.

But that’s done.

We have been taken over and locked in our homes, sacked from our businesses and seperated from our loved ones, yet people here still call this the free west.

We have nothing to lose.
Desperate times call for hard choices.

Voting for more of the same surely isn’t an option.
Scoffing at fighting while voting for net zero is LUNACY.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:23 pm

Don’t show your ignorance dotty. Unfortunately the ESG costs to any miner are quite substantial. Where they can explore, dig and extract. How they do it. The compliance costs, indidge engagement, water management, tailings management and compliance, manpower, training , legal, delays (which cost heaps)… it goes on and on. So in that comment I was just showing a modicum of sympathy.

You absolute struggler. You were being furiously agreed with.

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 23, 2022 12:25 pm

Aaron Mate interviews Prof. Richard Sakwa on the background to the present situation in Ukraine. It’s a very interesting interview and Sakwa does not hold back in expressing his disappointment with Zelensky.

The Grayzone – US weapons, European supplicants block peace in Ukraine (42 mins.)

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 12:28 pm

You were being furiously agreed with.

Then try not being so obtuse.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 12:29 pm

It’s hard ball time, or die.

This announcement was brought to you directly from the couch.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 12:30 pm

Some SIMP married Riley Reid.

I had to look up who that was, and found this gem of hamster wheel exhaustion.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:30 pm

Then try not being so obtuse

???

No one is talking about a tax on gross revenues.
It’s an EXPORT licence, to be paid by the customer, ( a non Australian country).

If all of your revenue is from exports, then how is an export licence not the same as a tax on gross revenue?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 12:33 pm

The last line of the link above…

He’s just ? re?lly, re?lly sweet guy.
*

* Simp!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 12:41 pm

Vicki says:
April 23, 2022 at 11:08 am

Husband and I (unvaxxed as you know) contracted some sort of respiratory virus from family at Easter. Fairly mild but had to cancel a Sydney dental appointment & we decided (after a couple of negative RATs) to get drive-by PCR at Northern Beaches Hospital. Within 24 hrs result : both NEGATIVE……

Vicki,

same for me as unvaxxed with Cold/Flu from live-in 10 yr old Grandson – have now given it to my wife (both vaxxed)

As I was required to get PCR test before Cancer Immunotherapy as unvaxxed – straight up the road and turn right to Warringah Aquatic Centre Histopath Pathology Drive-through Clinic

Kept their OCR Pamphlet and pre fill in before leaving home (and having saved previous details extremely quick) – use OCR to fill out for Wife yesterday before her driving up to PCR test – just show prefilled OCR and Guy/Girl at entry scans and straight to PCR test – Easy Peasy – no stopping area to fill out details

All 3 of us Negative – Just Cold/Flu

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 12:41 pm

If all of your revenue is from exports, then how is an export licence not the same as a tax on gross revenue?

No, no.
Chinese will understand.
Is not tax.
Is ricence fee.
Very different.

dopey
dopey
April 23, 2022 12:44 pm

Geez I hate this ABC ‘Australia Votes’ thing. What’s wrong with Federal Election?

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:45 pm

people here still call this the free west

No, we don’t.

The west is probably cooked, only the best US states or the best 2nd world nations are likely to be free.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 12:45 pm

Palmer has rented plenty of the large static roadside signage that Labor usually has.
Both sides of Granard Rd at the Beaudesert Rd Rocxklea intersection.
He’s drowned out the Labor message in Brisbane.
I’m thinking that all Labor’s 6 Brisbane Seats may be in play?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 12:47 pm

2 Russian Oligarchs Found Dead Just One Day Apart

From the Comments

– Why even bother mentioning the word suicide in situations like this? Why insult our intelligence?

Exactly, it makes it look like the Clintons are involved.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 23, 2022 12:49 pm

We’re going to need bigger umbrellas.

Simultaneous weather events from the Indian and Pacific Oceans could bring extensive flooding throughout 2022 (23 Apr)

A rare combination of weather drivers not seen for nearly 50 years could bring extensive rainfall and widespread flooding to Australia throughout 2022.

There are signs the current La Niña phase of the Pacific will team up with another wet climate driver from the Indian Ocean, a negative Indian Ocean Dipole (-IOD), to further enhance rainfall across the country.

The last time a wet phase of the Indian occurred simultaneously with a repeated La Niña was 1974, and that was Australia’s wettest year in 122 years of data.

The Bureau of Meteorology is forecasting this event to finish near the start of winter, however data analysed by Sky News Meteorologists suggest a high risk of a third La Niña returning again later this year.

This would be the first time we’ve seen a triple La Niña in 22 years. If it occurs it would be only the fourth triple since 1900.

I posted last week I think that Ryan Maue also thinks a 3rd la Nina is likely. He’s a climate realist meteorologist who I doubt uses the super duperly warm-biased model that BoM does.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 12:52 pm

Election signage used to be nailed to power poles on Brisbane Roads.
Labor had a long sook about it and eventually got the practice banned.
I’ll bet they’d like to be able to use the power poles again, because Palmer has bought 95% of the billboards.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 12:54 pm

Just to cheer you up in Soggy Sydney

Weather expert predicts rare combination of events not experienced for 50 years could see Australia DRENCHED for the rest of 2022

– Flood and heavy rain could batter most of Australia for remainder of the year
– La Niña could combine with negative Indian Ocean Dipole to bring more rainfall
– It would mark the first time in 50 years the two weather systems were combined

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 12:58 pm

Calif. Dems Push Bill to Punish Doctors Who Disagree With Regime’s Scientific ‘Consensus’

California’s super-majority Democrats are moving through the legislature a bill to silence and punish doctors with differing opinions from the government regime’s scientific “consensus.” The bill, proposed by Assemblyman Evan Low, an anti-free speech Democrat, would subject doctors to “disciplinary action against a physician and surgeon” for the “dissemination or promotion of misinformation or disinformation related to the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, or ‘COVID-19.’”

Here we go again with playing freeze tag with science, as the Left is so fond of doing with issues such as COVID, global warming, and transgenderism.

Now, as the Left has been doing during the entire pandemic, those who do not agree with the consensus are thrown out, fired, silenced, and condemned.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 12:58 pm

Anyone here read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery?

I’m wondering if it’s worth buying.

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 23, 2022 12:58 pm

Palmer has rented plenty of the large static roadside signage that Labor usually has.

Can’t go more than a few km up or down the Sunshine Coast without seeing them .

What is really starting to grind my gears is that for the last few days either candidates or supporters have been standing near busy roundabouts waving signs and distracting drivers. Yesterday it was PHON at the Caloundra Rd /Kawana Bvd roundabout, and the ALP near work. Couldn’t stop at Caloundra, was stopped at the 2nd long to yell “what sort of brain-dead moron distracts drivers at an accident blackspot* roundabout”.

*There is even a sign that says so.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 12:59 pm

Thinking back, my 2 favourite Election signs were Eddie Foat’s

Don’t Miss The Boat, Vote Foat

with Eddie’s visage on the smokestack of a tugboat
and

Give Shitlam The Arse

plastered on bus shelters.
Stop wHITLAm was also a goodie from the ’74 Election, not sure who owned that.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 23, 2022 1:00 pm

Why even bother mentioning the word suicide in situations like this? Why insult our intelligence?

Absolutely.
I think we can all agree they would have been [spooky music] vaccinated.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 1:02 pm

I think we can all agree they would have been [spooky music] vaccinated.

Their health condition has stabilized.
And will remain stable

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 1:04 pm

Crown slap.

I like that.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 1:04 pm

Anyone here read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery?

I’m wondering if it’s worth buying.

If it’s paperback and you can get a good bulk deal, they’ll come in handy for practicing tearing telephone books in half.
More important since the b’staads at Telstra stopped putting them in phone booths.

Struth
April 23, 2022 1:08 pm

No, no.
Chinese will understand.
Is not tax.
Is ricence fee.
Very different.

Dover, this level of racism from the bigots here should not be tolerated.
As it is the blog is full of nips, wogs and bloody ethnics everywhere.
Well, the nips part went with IT, and so did the scab eating, but still, you know what happens, ……they’re all over emotional.

Really this level of old white colonialist garbage is a bit much, is it not?

Oh sorry, I meant hypocrisy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 1:09 pm

In Earth Day Speech, AOC Says US Should Be More ‘Climate Defense Based’

Welp, now that the left’s “Defund the Police” movement has turned into a raging dumpster fire, the left’s loony hood ornament, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who appears to know pretty much nothing about pretty much everything, has a new boogeyman this Earth Day: “militarily and defense based” U.S. foreign policy.

We need to really look at our foreign policy, and approach and change and shift our foreign policy to not just be militarily and defense based, but to also be climate defense based, and diplomatically based, and… uh… that right there I think is really where we’re going to have to push — and we need to push internally because … we have to do it domestically and we have to do it abroad, as well.

How do I put this tactfully? What an ignorantly uninformed, complete crock of cr@p. Ocasio-Cortez knows zero about U.S. foreign policy, let alone diplomatic foreign policy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
April 23, 2022 1:12 pm

Owner of multiple beachfront mansions sounds the alarm on climate change

Former President Barack Obama used Earth Day today to remind everyone of the dangers of climate change:

“When it comes to climate change, time really is running out. Earth Day is a reminder that if we pledge to do our part and then follow through on those commitments, we can help preserve and protect our planet for future generations.”

Obama, of course, is the owner of *two* beachfront mansions:

One on the island of Martha’s Vineyard:

And the other in Hawaii where he was under fire for building a seawall that led to beach erosion:

Never forget: *They* get to live in beachfront mansions while *you* get lectured on everything else:

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 1:12 pm

Why even bother mentioning the word suicide in situations like this? Why insult our intelligence?

What’s behind the oligarch murders? Many things but messages to others in his Kremlin bubble would be my best guess. And a question from Vlad to those still breathing : “Can I continue to count on your whole-hearted support?”. Vlad is ensuring he heads off any “bravery” in the ranks.

Struth
April 23, 2022 1:13 pm

If all of your revenue is from exports, then how is an export licence not the same as a tax on gross revenue?

Now hold onto your misogyny dot, but how about this for a concept…..what’s sold here doesn’t attract the “ricence”
What if environmentalism like net zero was dialled back and red and green tape cutting production costs making the 15% un noticable.
And then we get it even cheaper.
I wonder what we could do with it……!?

What if Australians had balls?

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 23, 2022 1:14 pm

Don’t have a reference, but the Chinese have tried to make the move to Brazilian ore, a few years ago, – the Australian ore is high quality, and the Brazilian is rubbish.

It was good enough for the Phoenicians though, Brazil is the Hebrew word for iron.

Struth
April 23, 2022 1:20 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 1:29 pm

Don’t have a reference, but the Chinese have tried to make the move to Brazilian ore, a few years ago, – the Australian ore is high quality, and the Brazilian is rubbish.

More Front Bar mythology.
“Mmmmm. Aussie iron ore. Taste the difference!”
The major cost differential in landed cost in China between Vale ore out of Brazil and BHP/Rio/Fortescue ore out of Australia was shipping.
Fat Cloive’s fifteen pussent would go a long way to tipping that balance.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 23, 2022 1:32 pm

Anyone here read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery?
I’m wondering if it’s worth buying.

Get with the program Dot.
Global warming causes floods and global warming causes drought.
Global warming also causes Antarctica to shrink and to grow…

Antarctic sea-ice expansion in a warming climate (22 Apr)

Antarctic sea-ice has expanded over the period of continuous satellite monitoring, which seemingly contradicts ongoing global warming resulting from increasing concentrations of greenhouse gasses. In a study, published in Nature Climate Change, an international team of scientists from the University of Hawai?i at M?noa, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and South Korea shows that a multi-decadal swing of the tropical sea surface temperatures and its ability to change the atmospheric circulation across large distances is in large part responsible for the observed sea-ice expansion since the late 1970s.

Sea ice, which covers a substantial portion of the ocean surface in the polar regions, plays an important role in controlling global temperatures by reflecting incoming solar radiation. Decreases in sea-ice coverage, therefore, are expected to amplify greenhouse gas-induced global warming. Changes in sea ice also affect energy exchanges between the ocean and atmosphere, carbon uptake by the ocean, ecosystems and the thermohaline oceanic circulation.

It is of great importance to monitor long-term changes in global sea ice and to ensure that physical processes that lead to those changes are accurately depicted in climate prediction models.

These guys are on very dangerous ground. If they put the 60 year thermohaline cycle in the models they might find it caused almost half the warming last century, which it did.

I’m yet to find a warmie able to answer this question: if global warming causes more ice and snow and global cooling also produces more ice and snow, how can you tell whether more ice and snow is due to global warming and not global cooling?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 1:34 pm

Let’s hear your plan to tackle our debt? More of the same? Borrow and Hope? Prayer? Do you have anything at all worthwhile that might alleviate this horrendously stupid situation we’ve raced into?

There’s a fair amount of low hanging fruit.
Shut down the ABC. That will save $1 billion a year. Put Aboriginals on the same welfare system as everyone else. That will save billions a year. Drastically reduce the non-productive immigration quotas – again, billions saved on an ongoing basis. Abolish all Federal PS jobs which duplicate State/Territory services – assuming even only 2,000 jobs at about average weekly earnings that’s well over $ 1 billion a year saved.
I know those don’t even cover the annual interest payments we’ll be making on the $1 trillion, but I’d bet there’s more we could do on that score. If we even just balanced the budget by cutting spending, even 1.5% inflation a year would be the equivalent of paying off $15 billion a year, and of course that would compound over time. Maybe there are some more drastic measures we could take to speed things up, but they shouldn’t include more taxes on productive enterprises.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 1:35 pm

Get with the program Dot.
Global warming causes floods and global warming causes drought.

Wow. Maybe I really am an obtuse blockhead.

Or maybe Bruce is just better at it than me. 🙂

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 1:40 pm

Tim

I suspect the RBA is planning the inflation rate to be closer to 2.5% over the medium term. The entire western world (except) Japan will be traveling on a much inflation plane. There’s not much choice, but the inflation rate, in the west, has been well below the target rate for the past 20 years anyway.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 1:40 pm

You could cut government spending in half with no discernible difference to outcomes or even military preparedness.

That is how wasteful we are in Australia.

You could pay off the monumental debt over two-three electoral cycles and have massive tax cuts.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 23, 2022 1:45 pm

In Earth Day Speech, AOC Says US Should Be More ‘Climate Defense Based’

Her wish is Joe’s command.

Earth Day: Joe Biden Promises to Spend ‘Billions’ to Make Every U.S. Military Vehicle ‘Climate Friendly’ (22 Apr)

President Joe Biden celebrated Earth Day on Friday, promising to make every vehicle in the United States military “climate friendly.”

“We’re going to start the process, where every vehicle in the United States military, every vehicle is going to be climate friendly,” he boasted. “Every vehicle. No I mean it, we’re spending billions of dollars to do it.”

It’s unclear how the president plans to make America’s biggest and most powerful petroleum fueled vehicles “climate friendly” but he made it clear it was a priority.

Going to need some very long extension cords for the electric version of the Abramses.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 1:46 pm

Fat Cloive’s fifteen pussent would go a long way to tipping that balance.

With iron ore at $140 p/t yesterdays and all in BHP production costs of USD 13-14 p/t , and dry bulk shipping rates about 50% of last September , cry me a fkn river about woe is me poor i/o exporters.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 1:46 pm

Get back to work, you lowly pion!

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 1:48 pm

BHP production costs of USD 13-14 p/t

Are you serious?

I need to buy as many as possible.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 1:50 pm

There’s a fair amount of low hanging fruit.

In your wettest dreams,Tim. The best way not to get elected in modern Australia is go forth with a platform of cuts to Govt spending. You can forget your cuts and savings. Not gonna happen.

Ok, so now what?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 1:51 pm

Think I still have a pair of handmade boots they gave out as a Christmas Bonus, their dad made them.

yep, Ian Harold ran the Harold’s Boots factory in Abbotsford, a stone’s throw from Victoria Park. That’s the family connection that made Pete a Collingwood fan.

Struth
April 23, 2022 1:51 pm

Fat Cloive’s fifteen pussent would go a long way to tipping that balance

To avoid embarrassing walk backs like this, stick to sneering and telling lies, Panzy of the slip lane.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 1:51 pm

I need to buy as many as possible.

If you wait for a bit, you’ll get a better deal.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Thanks Roger at 11:11 for that succinct real-world rebuttal of Fat Cloive’s resident urger.

I tried to use as few words as possible.

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 23, 2022 1:53 pm

Anyone here read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery?

I have. It is, predictably, shit. I’m not sure I even believe Flannery on New Guinea tree kangaroos which is his claim to fame. Flim Flam man is a nutbag.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 1:55 pm

You could pay off the monumental debt over two-three electoral cycles and have massive tax cuts.

I have a cunning plan…

Hear me out here… its pretty crazy.

If we kept the labour market tight by reducing migration to a bare minimum, and at the same time culled the government bloat, while reducing PS wages back to the cardigan wearers level the Pubes would be absorbed into a fairly “hot” labour market.

At the same time nearly any university course with the word “Studies” in it (grievance studies in general) will become full fee paying and unsupported.

We stop all collecting of data on racial issues and remove every hinderance/help to any groups at a government level (above normal welfare), much the same as the French do.

And lastly when a politician loses an election they are herded into a giant wicker man erected on top of parliament house and burned alive to celebrate the renewal of democracy.

It would certainly focus their minds on how to keep their constituents happier.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 23, 2022 1:57 pm

Well, well, well.
What have we got here?

Mining boss Clive Palmer calls on Julia Gillard to drop mining tax

QUEENSLAND mining billionaire Clive Palmer has called on new prime minister Julia Gillard to abandon the controversial resources super profits tax.

less than 2 min read

June 24, 2010 – 2:10PM

AAP

QUEENSLAND mining billionaire Clive Palmer has called on new prime minister Julia Gillard to formally abandon the controversial resources super profits tax (RSPT) proposal.

Mr Palmer, who has been highly critical of the Federal Government’s plans for the new tax, said a mining industry campaign had helped ensure Mr Rudd was dumped as leader.

“This is the first time in Australia’s history that a prime minister has been defeated by a civil campaign of anger,” Mr Palmer told AAP via telephone from London, where he’s on a business trip.

“Have a look when we first started this campaign where he was, and where he was at the end of it.

“I would call on her (Ms Gillard) to make a clear statement that there will be no resources rent tax so that the industry can get back to providing Australians with jobs,” Mr Palmer said.

Since the announcement of the new tax, expected to reap $12 billion in its first two years, Mr Rudd had a steady fall in popularity in the face of an extensive advertising campaign from the mining lobby.

Mr Gillard was elected unopposed to become Prime Minister at a leadership ballot while Treasurer Wayne Swan was installed as Deputy PM.

In her first press conference following her election, Ms Gillard said the mining sector needed to be negotiated with over the new tax, not just consulted.

Mr Palmer, a Liberal Party donor, said he still had concerns that Mr Swan, one of the architects of the RSPT proposal, had been named as deputy leader.

“You have got to ask yourself, ‘is there a real change or is this being done for cosmetic reasons to dupe the people?”’ he said.
 

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 1:57 pm

In your wettest dreams,Tim. The best way not to get elected in modern Australia is go forth with a platform of cuts to Govt spending.

Has anyone tried? Yes, you don’t cut benefits that matter to the voters you’ll need. You pick targets that matter only to the rusted on left. Do you really think the cuts to immigration and race based welfare would be unpopular? How many people would really change their vote to keep the ABC? How many of the affected public servants would not already vote Labor/Greens?

You’d do other things as well that wouldn’t save big dollars but would sell the “stop the waste” message. E.g you’d point out how many arts/academia luvvies get grants to do something, never actually do it, but then get more grants given to them. You’d announce that no-one will ever again be eligible for a grant if they’re yet to deliver on a previous grant. You’d get blowback from the luvvies but that would work better than any paid advertising campaign.

Struth
April 23, 2022 1:59 pm

I tried to use as few words as possible.

You failed, so the words were either wrong or too few.

The Chinese NEED our Iron ore.
We have a competitive advantage and we can use it to get the chinks who stole our wealth to pay it back, while the alternative is Sco Mo and the globalist’s net zero and climate Lockdowns as preferred by the rusted on denialists.
In other words, grinding poverty and the destruction of our civilisation.

but but but but,,,clive’s fat!!!

Anyone notice the “wrong tie” analogy in play here with those that are CINO’s

Zipster
April 23, 2022 2:00 pm

You could pay off the monumental debt over two-three electoral cycles and have massive tax cuts.

these state debts are never paid, they are inflated away to disappear into thin air. the problem comes when you can’t roll over the debt or gov traps itself into a zero rate scenario over an extended period of time… oh wait…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 23, 2022 2:01 pm

What if Australians had balls?

Struth says Vote 1 UAP.

Or you’re not black a man…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 2:02 pm

Vote #1 Bees in a cage on Kevin Rudds head
Vote #1 Morrison watching his entrails drawn forth.
Vote #1 Tony Abbott crucified at the low tide mark
Vote #1 Gillard Walled up alive in an old mine shaft

I think this is a sensible platform whos obvious merits speak for themselves.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
April 23, 2022 2:02 pm

There’s a fair amount of low hanging fruit.
Shut down the ABC. That will save $1 billion a year. Put Aboriginals on the same welfare system as everyone else. That will save billions a year. Drastically reduce the non-productive immigration quotas – again, billions saved on an ongoing basis. Abolish all Federal PS jobs which duplicate State/Territory services – assuming even only 2,000 jobs at about average weekly earnings that’s well over $ 1 billion a year saved.

2000 public service jobs, that’s within the error factor when they get counted! Get real and fire 75% of all public servants.
Sell the ABC.
Only take immigrants that can pay $1,000,000.00 for a visa.
Abolish aboriginal welfare and give them free grog.

That’s fixed.

Zipster
April 23, 2022 2:03 pm

Earth Day: Joe Biden Promises to Spend ‘Billions’ to Make Every U.S. Military Vehicle ‘Climate Friendly’ (22 Apr)

google translate from neroneese says “to fiddle while the republic burns”

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 2:04 pm

Hallward

You have no credibility to be attacking anyone – yes, even Tim Flannery’s bullshit. In fact both you clowns (you and Uncle Fester) are in no position to be attacking anyone because you’re both biased clowns.

There’s is reasonable evidence to suggest humanity is warming up the world and there’s also reasonable evidence to suggest the warming is benign and won’t amount to anything negative. In fact, there’s reasonable evidence that when one measures the overall costs and benefits, a slightly warmer world is a boon to humanity. To come on here throwing one liners about this or that is bullshit makes you look like a faggot.

Risk management suggests we are more than able to deal with a slow moving potential train accident , such as gerbil warming. We’re more than able to deal with such a problem using Gen 3 & 4 reactors and nuclear fusion over the next 30 to 50 years.

You really are a first rate ignorant dickhead and you poison every discussion you throw yourself in with stupid one sentence mostly baseless comments. You dickhead.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 23, 2022 2:04 pm

The Chinese NEED our Iron ore.

Ah well.

The Speaker of Struth failed not get the furious agreement he wanted earlier, so we are Psaki-ing back to Square One.

You all need to do better, Cats…

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:05 pm

The Chinese NEED our Iron ore.

Let me use even fewer words then…

The Chinese need iron ore; it medium to long term it doesn’t have to be ours.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 23, 2022 2:05 pm

failed to

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:05 pm

in the medium to long term…

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 23, 2022 2:06 pm

the Australian ore is high quality, and the Brazilian is rubbish

Not absolutely 100% truthy.

Australia and Brazil both produce high grade haematite ore. Best in class. Australia happens to have a vaster resource of the good stuff than Brazil.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
April 23, 2022 2:06 pm

Oh, I forgot we can monetize woke! Why don’t we place a great big tax on woke.

Now I really fixed it.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 23, 2022 2:07 pm

fiddle while the republic burns

Phrasing.

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 2:07 pm

Timothy Neilson says:
April 23, 2022 at 1:57 pm

In your wettest dreams,Tim. The best way not to get elected in modern Australia is go forth with a platform of cuts to Govt spending.

Has anyone tried?

I wouldn’t say tried, but actually someone dishonestly ran on a campaign promise of budget repair. The electorate bought into it giving him a decent majority, but he lied or at least lost his nerve and went spending. That’s Abbott.

Abbott caused the punters to lose confidence in the debt being managed down.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 2:07 pm

Ok Tim, so basically you have nothing but a few dreams. Primarily, we’ll suddenly elect a Govt with conviction and a spine. I get it.

Meanwhile, we steadfastly remain on our debt fueled course.

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:08 pm

Stay in your lane Sancho……

You aren’t seriously getting into subject matter here, you know you’ll be destroyed.
Stay sneering and say nothing.
Always the safer option for a pompous half wit like yourself.

A 30% tax on ALL profit in a completely different world back in 2010 opposed by Clive Palmer has what to do with a 15% export licence paid by China ……

Honestly you’d think there never were Tariffs and everyone was trading fairly with us!

Who the fuck are you aligned with, you dumb bastard?!

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 23, 2022 2:08 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
April 23, 2022 at 12:29 pm
It’s hard ball time, or die.

This announcement was brought to you directly from the couch.

Is the initial quote a re-phrase of “Stand, and if necessary fall”?

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 2:09 pm

Meat Processing Plants, WalMart Distribution Centres, Fertiliser Plants, even a potato Chip plant burnt out.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1516947217126506498

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 23, 2022 2:10 pm

Mole, you’re going Shakespearian now. Never go full Shakespearian.

Twitter Censors Shakespeare Scholar for Quoting Line from Henry VI, Part 2 (22 Apr)

Silicon Valley giant Twitter censored a Shakespearean scholar in Britain for quoting a famous line from the Bard’s Henry VI, Part 2.

An associate professor at the University of Nottingham in the English Midlands, Peter Kirwan was warned by Twitter over using the platform for “abuse” for quoting the famed line “let’s kill all the lawyers”.

The full quote comes from Act 4 Scene 2 of the play, in which Dick the Butcher offers up the suggestion to Jack Cade, who led a popular rebellion against the King in 1450. Should Cade actually topple the regime, Dick the Butcher suggests as a plan of action: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”

“Nay, that I mean to do,” Cade answers.

Lot of lawyers in Parliament. Might be a bit harsh though. On the other hand I’d certainly settle for a pound of flesh from each one of them. Except for the new improved Albo they mostly could spare a chunk or two.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 23, 2022 2:10 pm

Australia’s iron ore exports to China are on borrowed time. The CCP is working overtime on their west Africa mine to bring it online ASAP. I have relatives who are working on the Africa mine site engineering works.

Once China has a suitable replacement for Australia ore we can say goodbye to all that Government tax revenue. We get to keep the deficit, labor’s baked in legislative spending spree and of course the Gillard Abbots bastard monster that is the NDIS. Do I hear $20 Billion, $40 Billion, …at $60 Billion p.a. Going once, going twice… No mention of fiscal planning this election cycle.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 2:11 pm

Abbott caused the punters to lose confidence in the debt being managed down.

Yep, he sure did. And since then the CONservatives have done nothing but convince punters that debt no longer matters. And spent up (=borrowed) accordingly.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:13 pm

QLD postie caught dumping Liberal postal votes in garbage bin.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 23, 2022 2:16 pm

The Chinese need iron ore; it medium to long term it doesn’t have to be ours.

China is taking steps to make sure a big chunk isn’t ours.

While the UN has been handwringing,the CCP has been explaining the concept of win-win to the new military junta in Guinea. As a result, the Simandou iron ore project is back on track – aiming for first ore shipments in 2025/26.

Something refreshingly brisk about discussions between parties who understand the real value in an offshore bolt hole and not being violently destabilised.

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 2:16 pm

Fair shake

China is not the only iron ore consumer in the world. We lose China – there are other customers for the least expensive most excellent ore grade in the world. Take it easy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 2:17 pm

What inflation the RBA and the Fed are planning and what it actually is might be very different things. Expectations plays a much bigger part once established and it’s long and painful path to get rid of them once established.

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 2:18 pm

Look, by 2025 China will begin to join the developed world in terms of demand for iron ore.

Approx 70% of steel used in the developed world is recycled. This isn’t a surprise.

There are other customers. No biggie.

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:20 pm

Australia and Brazil both produce high grade haematite ore. Best in class. Australia happens to have a vaster resource of the good stuff than Brazil.

Whatever Brazil has is no good if they can’t get it out of the fucking ground as well as we can.
They don’t have, like other Iron Ore countries, ALL top quality ore. Some of theirs is.
We are the world’s greatest exporter of Iron ore by far.
And the top quality.
Imagine if China was in control of it.
Just imagine the games they’d play and the hoops you’d be jumping through to get your hands on it.
Is it only truckies that understand supply chain issues and through tonnage to remain profitable?
And the distance of Brazil away from China?

Here we are, with the resources to bring the world to it’s knees, the ability to be a true super power and yet the attitude on display here at this little blog this afternoon shows why we aren’t.
Corrupt politicians know this about Australians.
They know they’re not Americans at all.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 23, 2022 2:21 pm

Timothy N

You’d do other things as well that wouldn’t save big dollars but would sell the “stop the waste” message. E.g you’d point out how many arts/academia luvvies get grants to do something, never actually do it, but then get more grants given to them. You’d announce that no-one will ever again be eligible for a grant if they’re yet to deliver on a previous grant. You’d get blowback from the luvvies but that would work better than any paid advertising campaign.

That there seems to be no requirement to acquit grants is one of the grossest breaches of fiduciary duty to the taxpayers who fund those grants that I can imagine.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:21 pm

As a result, the Simandou iron ore project is back on track – aiming for first ore shipments in 2025/26.

Yes, I mentioned it earlier.

That is quick, though!

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 2:23 pm

We lose China – there are other customers for the least expensive most excellent ore grade in the world.

Yeah but they won’t be paying you USD150 per ton. Before China annual price negotiations used to consist of BHP and Rio flying to Tokyo and being told what price cut they would take on next years production. Forget selling into the spot market – there wasn’t one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 23, 2022 2:23 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:02 pm
Vote #1 Bees in a cage on Kevin Rudds head
Vote #1 Morrison watching his entrails drawn forth.
Vote #1 Tony Abbott crucified at the low tide mark
Vote #1 Gillard Walled up alive in an old mine shaft

I think this is a sensible platform whos obvious merits speak for themselves.

Not acceptable until Turdballs gets a guernsey. Preferably one with rabid piranha inside it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 2:24 pm

JC

But wed cop a big price reduction if enough volume hit the market in a steady enough supply though?
Wa might have to even cancel our secession plans again.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:25 pm

Approx 70% of steel used in the developed world is recycled. This isn’t a surprise.

Stepping up recycling is also a goal of China’s plan.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 2:26 pm

Vote #1 Turbull hung drawn and quartered after being dragged naked over a salt lake.

A policy we can all get behind.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:27 pm

QLD postie caught dumping Liberal postal votes in garbage bin.

Should be whipped in the public square.

Suspended pending investigation.

He apparently offered the lady who caught him $10 to forget about it! She wasn’t having a bar of it.

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:27 pm

Look, by 2025 China will begin to join the developed world in terms of demand for iron ore.

FMD.
just

FMD.

Get yourself checked out JC.
And the recycling compared to iron ore tonnage….holy fuck.

We breed them here.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Rogersays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:13 pm
QLD postie caught dumping Liberal postal votes in garbage bin.

How did the postie know they were Liberal votes? Opened the mail to check? Isn’t interfering with the mail a criminal offence?

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 2:29 pm

Fair Shakesays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:10 pm

Yes correct but an even more immediate impact on demand for our i/o is the reduction in demand for new property in China , the Evergrande and others situation , set against i/o production (planned) increases. China also wants to divert capital and savings away from reliance on RE investment. I see they recently announced a major change to pension accounts where people will now be allowed for the first time to substantially increase those investments.

Outliers might improve overall i/o demand such as Ukraine rebuilding. But I’d be looking for i/o prices sub $80 in the next year or so.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 23, 2022 2:30 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:26 pm
Vote #1 Turbull hung drawn and quartered after being dragged naked over a salt lake.

A policy we can all get behind.

A reasonable start, but still too weak.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 23, 2022 2:32 pm

Security in the West Africa iron ore belt is a bit dicky. Wagner Group has been busy in Mali, and claim to be in Mauritania too. Mauritania has the sizeable SNIM iron ore operations.

NGO accuses Malian troops, Russian mercenaries of killing hundreds of civilians (5 Apr)

If the withdrawal of Wagner guys to Donbas gives the RoP kiddies ideas then it could get quite messy. Mali has had a lot of trouble from ISIS in the last decade, and jihadis are bloodily active in Nigeria also. The CCP might find itself with an expensive battalion or two of PLA on the ground defending the minesite, given that rank and file RoPers don’t much like what they’re doing to the Uyghurs.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:34 pm

How did the postie know they were Liberal votes? Opened the mail to check? Isn’t interfering with the mail a criminal offence?

Don’t know, but they were sent by a Lib senator who contracted Aus Post for the job for $13000, so presumably the envelopes identified the sender in some way.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 2:34 pm

How did the postie know they were Liberal votes? Opened the mail to check? Isn’t interfering with the mail a criminal offence?

SpongeBob:
Because they’ve been sent out to voters by the Liberal National Party in an envelope with the LNP letterhead on it.
This has been a complaint of LNP voters in past Federal Elections, that the candidate didn’t send them a Postal Vote.
Now we know why!

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 2:36 pm

Yeah but they won’t be paying you USD150 per ton.

Bear, it’s dealt on the spot market and the takers will pay whatever the spot price is at the time. I’m not saying the price won’t move down from here or up (either).

Stuth

Stop trying to sound intelligent. Go practice engine braking.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:37 pm

The CCP might find itself with an expensive battalion or two of PLA on the ground defending the minesite…

That’s what imperial powers do.

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:37 pm

If China, set up to work a certain amount of iron ore per year, ends up with factories at half production due to supply issues, or refusal to pay higher prices, does all that manufacturing infrastructure just sit idle without cost?

What is it about how things work in the real world don’t people understand?

Brazil is not set up for them, neither is Africa and won’t be before the election.
Australia supplies 50% of the world’s ex[orts.
That figure is important.
If it were only 5 % than I would understand and agree with the other timid c…nts here.
However, it’s 50%, and that is a volume consideration, a tonnage situation that must be considered as well.
Clive’s idea is a brilliant one in the times we now live in.
In perfect times with perfect trading partners who HAVEN’T already screwed us…..you could afford to think twice.
Who’s going to pay off the mountain of LIBERAL PARTY DEBT.
Us or the Chinese?

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Abolish all Federal PS jobs which duplicate State/Territory services…

Have a national driving licence not eight separate departments…
Have a national teacher registration board not eight separate departments…
Have a national police force not eight separate departments…

And so on.

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:41 pm

Look, by 2025 China will begin to join the developed world in terms of demand for iron ore.

Yes JC, and they’ll be completely democratic too.

Get yourself checked out.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 2:41 pm

, but they were sent by a Lib senator who contracted Aus Post for the job for $13000, so presumably the envelopes identified the sender in some way.
Sure, the sender will be identified on the envelope.
Older people in Inner City Electorates rely on the Candidate to send out a Postal Vote, otherwise they’ve gotta leg it to a booth on the day.
Obviously, if you’re a Liberal Voter, you might be wary of returning the Postal Vote that the Labor Candidate sent you, since it mightn’t ever be sighted again.

Winston Smith
April 23, 2022 2:48 pm

Dot:

You bet your backside you’re growing your own quinoa & avocados.

Remember when just about every Australian town had a ‘chinese’ vegetable garden on the outskirts?
Fresh produce damn near whatever you wanted.
Then the supermarkets weren’t allowed to buy from them, or just wouldn’t because food contracts with the big farmers who now can’t get labour to pick the crops.
Then the Market Gardens were built over.
Now the vegies are trucked thousands of kilometers and everyone is happy with that.
Just another little bit of self sufficiency down the drain.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 23, 2022 2:51 pm

Have a national police force not eight separate departments…

Good idea, but good luck incorporating Victoria Police into any National police force..

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:51 pm

And so on.

No. Canberra has too much power as it is, most of it arrogated from the states on various pretexts.

Subsidiarity* is a sound conservative principle which was the basis for our Federation.

* The principle that a central authority should have a subsidiary function, performing only those tasks which cannot be performed at a more local level [OED]

Struth
April 23, 2022 2:52 pm

Without getting the volume of iron ore, the right quality of Iron ore at a price they can work with, manufacturing nations like China could collapse. Completely.

Where is the acknowledgement of what wars have been fought over for centuries?
China doesn’t have enough natural resources to feed itself and keep the billion mouths fed.

We do.

We most certainly do.

Resources, not cafe’s, and picture theatres.
Resources are what wars are fought over.

China needs our ore more than we need China.

It’s a mind set most here won’t get at all.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 2:54 pm

Makkasays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:07 pm

Makka, look at JC’s comment immediately above yours.

It’s possible to persuade the Australian electorate that debt matters and to vote for a party that promises to do something about it.
Yes, we’d have to counteract 8 or 9 years of trashing of reality by the Uniparty, the commentariat, academia, etc. So I’m not saying it would be easy.
But it’s possible.
And it’s a vastly better idea than using massive taxes to smash productive businesses that have to compete internationally.

Winston Smith
April 23, 2022 2:57 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

Hmm, maybe the other oligarchs should make large donations to the Clinton Foundation pronto.

Perhaps Putin has worked out the level of corruption is killing his chances of becoming the worlds first Trillionaire?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
April 23, 2022 2:57 pm

VIC Premier won’t like that idea.

“Have a national police force not eight separate departments…”

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 2:58 pm

Remember when just about every Australian town had a ‘chinese’ vegetable garden on the outskirts?

Yep. Slowly making a come back as community gardens with enlightened local councils providing support. 500 + around Australia.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 23, 2022 2:59 pm

Top Endersays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:38 pm
Rogersays:
April 23, 2022 at 2:51 pm

I’m with Roger on this one.
Let different states and territories operate differently so people can vote with their feet and businesses can vote with their money (in both cases without having to leave the country entirely).

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Have a national police force not eight separate departments…

I’d rather have local police force for each town or shire, with an elected Chief of Police. 3 year terms.
Rubber bullet the populace & you needn’t bother running at the next election.

I’d be one helluva culture shock for the stained blue line; Answerable to the people they’re protecting, instead of to a remote Commissioner (& government) Fifteen hours drive away.

JC
JC
April 23, 2022 3:03 pm

But wed cop a big price reduction if enough volume hit the market in a steady enough supply though?
Wa might have to even cancel our secession plans again.

Mole,

I didn’t make a prediction on the future price of iron ore. But what I do know is that Australian producers sell high grade crap and a price where they can make money and lots of it.

It’s not easy predicting what happens to the ore price. If someone had said we’d be trading at 15o bucks a ton after civid you’d be saying the forecaster should share a padded cell with Stuth in a mental asylum but that’s where we are.

Don’t forget that China has slowed down quite a bit and the ore price is very high. Obviously this means demand is coming from elsewhere.

Struth
April 23, 2022 3:04 pm

Decentralised power in the US is the only thing that is giving the world hope.
As I said in 2020, the only hope we all have is in the USA.
The war is raging strongly there, but still the people have never been anywhere near as tyrannized as us.
An armed population, free speech still, and decentralised power.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Yep. Slowly making a come back as community gardens with enlightened local councils providing support. 500 + around Australia.

Key phrase: “Council support
We know how that works out.

The garden in my town has to date cost something like $2,000 per lettuce produced.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 3:05 pm

it’s dealt on the spot market and the takers will pay whatever the spot price is at the time

For relatively low price/steady demand consumables like salt contracts pay the running costs and spot sales are where the profit is.
Eg: We contract out a million tons on contract, say 35$ a ton.
We have another 300,000 or so which goes spot sales at up to $42 a ton.

Roughly speaking the budget for next years running costs is pegging close to level with the contracted sales.

Struth
April 23, 2022 3:08 pm

Yep. Slowly making a come back as community gardens with enlightened local councils providing support. 500 + around Australia.

The subsidies solar panels of Farming.

Makka
Makka
April 23, 2022 3:11 pm

So I’m not saying it would be easy.
But it’s possible.

Back then , over a decade ago. The last 2 years or so should have educated you that Govt’s voluntarily cutting spending , reducing their size, curtailing borrowing etc is about as achievable as you organizing a moonshot. But yeah, it’s “possible”.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 3:12 pm

The garden in my town has to date cost something like $2,000 per lettuce produced.

Lol.

Do they hire the plots out? They should.

Councils can provide some land but the gardeners have to cover the cost of town water, if used, and any other expenses, so rate payers aren’t out of pocket.

Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 3:15 pm

That’s the way it’s done in my neck of the woods, anyway.

Not that I need to avail myself of a plot as I have sufficient space for my vege garden needs.

Good therapy, though, for people with little choice but to live in units or those postage stamp sized house blocks that councils seem eager to approve these days, even in regional areas.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 3:17 pm

JC

Its incredible the prices.
Everyone knows its a bubble but no-one knows when its going to crap itself.
1 month, 1 year, 10 years???

If someone had said we’d be trading at 15o bucks a ton after civid you’d be saying the forecaster should share a padded cell with Stuth in a mental asylum but that’s where we are.

https://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Documents/Investors/2021-Economic-Indicators-resources-data.xlsx
8 or so years ago I was surprised to find Iron ore was nearly level pegging with salt for price.

WA has $12,403 Millions in royalties from Iron ore alone last year.
8 years ago… $293 Millions

Combined total of all royalties for WA (including NWS oil/gas)= $13,984 Millions

We can call the Arabs oil ticks, but at the moment the WA iron tick isnt too far behind.

shatterzzz
April 23, 2022 3:18 pm

How did the postie know they were Liberal votes? Opened the mail to check? Isn’t interfering with the mail a criminal offence?

Rather than conspiracy theories I’ put it down to a lazy PO delivery man .. why stick envelopes into individual boxes over several hours when you can dispose of them in one go in two minutes ..
Isn’t this in line with the PO hierarchy excuse for cutting back on delivery days .. saves time & effort ..
Methinx the days of .. thru sleet & snow the mail must go .. are long past .. LOL! Plus .. it wasn’t $13 000 of the member’s money it was $13 000 of OUR money .. no wonder we are rooted when a two bob watch MP has, a spare, $13 000 of tax payer funds to waste on election advertising,happily, endorsed by the Electoral Commission ..
If it is necessary to mail out info/postal voting forms then it should be, wholly, the responsibility of the EC folk not another excuse for troughers to slurp ….

Winston Smith
April 23, 2022 3:20 pm

Calli:

Pesticides are meant to be “harmful”. Most intelligent farmers know exactly the right amount of expensive fertiliser to use to get the the result – they don’t waste money.
Starvation and poverty is more “harmful”, but I doubt whether the framer of this garbage has ever done without.

I can see the reasoning behind the need to have City States which are quarantined from the agricultural/mining/oil producing areas.

Dot
Dot
April 23, 2022 3:21 pm
Roger
Roger
April 23, 2022 3:22 pm

no wonder we are rooted when a two bob watch MP has, a spare, $13 000 of tax payer funds to waste on election advertising,happily, endorsed by the Electoral Commission ..

I don’t think the AEC is too happy about it, but it’s legal.

QLD AEC head on the radio this week urging voters to apply to them for postals rather than those sent by local member. Incurious ABC interviewer failed to follow it up.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 3:23 pm

Bear, it’s dealt on the spot market and the takers will pay whatever the spot price is at the time. I’m not saying the price won’t move down from here or up (either).

JC – who do you think has been setting the price for the last 3 decades?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 23, 2022 3:25 pm

Dot…

How much does Tess Holliday weigh?

How much does Tess Holliday weigh? Tess claims to weigh 20st 6lb and wear a UK dress size 26. At a height of 5ft 5in she is clinically obese. Holliday has spoken about her exercise regime in the past explaining that she trains with a personal trainer four times a week, as well as hiking and swimming.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 3:25 pm

Here’s a graphic of the tunnels and bunkers under the Azovstal Steel Works.
Built to house 40,000.
https://postlmg.cc/QBSRJKYN

shatterzzz
April 23, 2022 3:32 pm

Key phrase: “Council support”
We know how that works out.

I’m trying to stretch my imagination to encompass the mass “welfare” lifestyle slurpers of this burg contemplating a bit of the pick & shovel effort needed to grow-yer-own ..
methinx, they’d be far happier if Council just provided supermarket guaranteed payment coupons .. LOL!
Reminds me of the run-up to the last local elections here .. the Council offered free bags of food to those doing-it-tuff due to the lockdown .. all that was required was to ring up and get a time-slot for pick-up .. the pick-up centre was behind my place .. you couldn’t move for 5 days with all the top-of-the-range SUVs queued up for the goodies .. worked out well tho .. the Mayor & his cronies were all re-elected .. LOL!

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 23, 2022 3:36 pm

I don’t think the AEC is too happy about it, but it’s legal.

Entrenched practice. View is it favours the Lieborals. My faith in the AEC is right up there with the Easter Bunny. Possibly even less this time around because I got an egg from the Easter Bunny.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 3:43 pm

Since Cannibalism and China are Hot Topics, let’s revisit the Siege of Suiyang.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Suiyang

calli
calli
April 23, 2022 3:44 pm

Some of my grandchildren are jabbed, others are not.

THEY HAVE ALL HAD COVID.

Sorry to shout, but I’m sick of the lying.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Do they hire the plots out? They should.

No way. Govt/Council knows best.
Labour is supplied by the long-term unemployed from the (whatever the CES is called these days) & supervised by council parks & garden rangers.

Which causes me to believe the cost has been fudged & $2,000 per lettuce is way too low.
It cost $60,000 in materials alone before anything was grown. (labour not measured, coz reasons)
The entire garden (my estimate) is 600 – 700 sq metres.

calli
calli
April 23, 2022 3:50 pm

In other news, the farmers markets were very, very good and much cheaper than I imagined. No masks. I bought some “designer” mother’s ruin and figs straight off the tree. Mmmmm. Oh, and some truffle camembert.

Lunch at Kaleske’s – a plate of local produce washed down with their Moppa Shiraz. I left with a bottle of their grenache under the wing.

Roger is right – Angaston is the pick of the villages. Spent some time at the blacksmith’s shop watching him make a horse shoe.

Anchor What
Anchor What
April 23, 2022 3:52 pm

Joe Biden quoting his mother again!
My mother had a lot of quotables, but this one fits:
There’s no fool like an old fool.

Struth
April 23, 2022 3:53 pm

Some of my grandchildren are jabbed, others are not.

THEY HAVE ALL HAD COVID.

Sorry to shout, but I’m sick of the lying.

No they haven’t.
They’ve all caught colds.
.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 23, 2022 3:55 pm

. it wasn’t $13 000 of the member’s money it was $13 000 of OUR money .. no wonder we are rooted when a two bob watch MP has, a spare, $13 000 of tax payer funds to waste on election advertising,happily, endorsed by the Electoral Commission ..
Listen, cockhead:
People require Postal Votes for various reasons.
The AEC hasn’t got time to reply to people’s requests for Postal Votes, so either the Candidate or a Senator [if the Seat is held by the opposing Party]
use their Postal Allowance to send Postals out to all voters in an Electorate.
Since Senator Rennick [LNP] was sending them out, it follows that the Electorate in question was either Lilley, Griffith, Rankin, Moreton or Oxley [all ALP].

calli
calli
April 23, 2022 3:58 pm

Listen up, Struth. They have had Covid. At least one member of my family is professionally capable of diagnosing it. You can say whatever you like – I couldn’t care less.

Now call me whatever barnyard creature you fancy me to be today.

Zipster
April 23, 2022 4:00 pm

By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

must have slept through that one

Zipster
April 23, 2022 4:02 pm

Here’s a graphic of the tunnels and bunkers under the Azovstal Steel Works.

its fake

Struth
April 23, 2022 4:05 pm

Is there a female tendancy to be dramatic as far as their offspring and family getting sick is concerned….?
Is there a tendancy to gullibility?
These days I’m inclined to yes on both counts.
Next thing you know Calli will tell us they had covid because they tested positive for it.
And after all we know about the tests being utter bollox.

Do women WANT to believe what is so blatantly bullshit?
Could these last two years have even happened if we’d kept them in the kitchen or at least refused them the vote?
Dot?

And is this why men tend to talk shit to them to get them in the sack…..because they know it works.

I remember getting a girl in the sack once when I was younger by contantly talking about the dog and how much I loved my dog.
She’d had a couple of legopeners and could see a real connection with me and the blue heeler I was patting.
She decided I was a nice bloke, and really loved my dog.
I was in.

Wasn’t my dog.

Struth
April 23, 2022 4:06 pm

At least one member of my family is professionally capable of diagnosing it.

Of course Calli, of course.

Struth
April 23, 2022 4:09 pm

Would astrology exist without women?
Why?

  1. Still no news on whether Tulsi Gabbard is getting a gig in Trump’s cabinet. I do feel she’s owed something…

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