Some men are threatened by other men exploring alternative domestic standards.
Some men are threatened by other men exploring alternative domestic standards.
Four men have been charged over the theft of a police officer’s gun and ammunition from an unmarked police car…
My insightful comment about Boomers and service station toilet paper kyboshed by Teh Paywallian I’m afraid.
We may not like it, but NATO/WEF are the baddies.
JC experienced a similar reaction when people fond out he ironed his jeans.
When the troughers currently in those roles (as opposed to ‘in those jobs’) realise this, they will embark on a campaign for net zero monarchs by 2050.
Paaaaaage podium!
they have the same skill-sets
Too hairy according to a chap who should have known.
Who, Dick or Liz?
Justice Brennan’s Mabo decision will always be criticised but he was a big figure by any estimation.
He made it known before he died that he did not want a state funeral.
Just a Requiem Mass.
I had a brief conversation with him once. Lovely man.
Alarmists are compartmentally insane; the psychology is fascinating. I’ve been arguing with them for nearly 15 years. Some are really smart, others are bovine. But all of them snap to an emotional state when the subject arises. The smartest will tokenise some of the stock alarmist shibboleths and when easily demolished lapse into personal insults and anger.
I content myself these days, since The Climate Sceptics blog was cancelled by big tech, in ringing marginally sympathetic DJs and trying to keep the punters informed so when the shit hits the fan and the lights go out they have some direction for their anger.
The ABC isn’t reporting on this yet:
1. Not sure how you have an “online relationship.”
2. Not sure why she shared intimate pictures with a bloke she wasn’t even going out with.
3. Not sure how Liberals could see what was on his laptop.
If m0nty-fa is so keen on a federal ICAC, how about we suggest that all politicians in Parliament on 1 July 2022 explain to the new ICAC how they financed their investment houses.
I wonder how many will suddenly find a need to spend more time with their families?
Is the tide turning?
Amber has to sling 15Mil to the pirate – not that he’ll ever see it – even if she won powerball the legal vultures would swallow it. Meanwhile Pistol & Boo continue to eat and shit.
And in Geelong according to the Hun…….
A woman who had sex with a Geelong plastic surgeon admits she lied to medical regulators about the affair because she felt “hard done by” when he cut contact with her.
But don’t get too optimistic lads. You’ll still need a signed declaration of consent witnessed by a JP if you want a stray root.
Aldi on the other hand are generally bringing prices back down from their pandemic highs. Some things are the cheapest I can recall.
Coles is forgetting their role as price advocate for the consumer against the suppliers.
I hope Aldi continue to eat their lunch
I had a brief conversation with him once. Lovely man.
I didn’t know him but I’ve read a lot of his Judgments, including Mabo. Mabo is a travesty. It is pure Judge made law. it combines elements of English law to do with their dealings with new lands, both unoccupied and occupied and selects bits, contradictorily, to justify that aboriginal law existed and could be recognised by English law.
That description of the ‘relationship’ in the Daily Telegraph:
Even better, explain their partners/ family trust managed to perform unexpectedly well….
Dr Faustus,
Just wanted you to know that all my passwords at work from now on will be some variation of KOKKSMOKER. Because I laughed out loud when I read that. Not sure how to work an umlaut in but.
For the rest of you lot*:
Richard II was starved to death in Pontefract Castle. And who was the keeper of that castle? None other than Thomas Swynford, son of Katherine Swynford (the lover/mistress/wife of John of Gaunt) and step-brother (of sorts) to Henry of Bolingbroke, later to be crowned Henry IV.
Anya Seton’s book Katherine was referenced on this blog by Lizzie not so long ago. I devoured that book in my teens. Apparently, Katherine was possessed of incredible feminine beauty** and despite her lowly origins, she became the ancestress of just about every monarch of England since the mid-fifteenth century. I am thinking of making a pilgrimage to her resting place in Lincolnshire.
* I have gone through several variations of Monty’s name and settled on C**tifa. Monty – Munty – C**ty – C**tifa. Why? Because his very first thought when those children died in Uvalde was not the suffering of their parents but the utility of those deaths to persecute his political enemies. What a total c**t.
**Just goes to show men love a good-looking root.
And, yes, I am having a laugh. Men are visual creatures but also much more forgiving of female flaws than women expect.
“Anya Seton’s book Katherine was referenced on this blog by Lizzie not so long ago. I devoured that book in my teens. “
Luzu. I adored the book. I have it somewhere.
yep
“Justice Brennan’s Mabo decision will always be criticised but he was a big figure by any estimation.
He made it known before he died that he did not want a state funeral.
Just a Requiem Mass.
I had a brief conversation with him once. Lovely man.”
I’ve heard the same. His son, Father Frank Brennan is also a thoroughly decent man…and remember, he was willing to put his head above the parapet to defend Cardinal Pell.
“Because his very first thought when those children died in Uvalde was not the suffering of their parents but the utility of those deaths to persecute his political enemies. What a total c**t.”
Yep.
Luzu
I have gone through several variations of Monty’s name and settled on C**tifa. Monty – Munty – C**ty – C**tifa. Why? Because his very first thought when those children died in Uvalde was not the suffering of their parents but the utility of those deaths to persecute his political enemies. What a total c**t.
I use the “fa” on the end as a reference to his great mates, Antifa. It is an unsubtle dig at him for behaving like a fascist, while claiming to oppose fascism.
Munter works quite well since it’s a portmanteau of one of the required words already, the other being monster.
All right, again, can any of the bush lawyers here help out. Mabo declared Australia was “settled.” What would the legal status of the indigenous been, had Mabo declared Australia “invaded?”
‘aint so funny now, eh Germany?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAqlOxOgSg
Trooping of the Colour on channel 7. Magnificent.
Nice to meet you, Luzer.
at a guess, one hand on the phone and one hand ….
Tucker: The #MeToo moral panic
Hahahahaha, converted demonrat in 2022.
That’s the way to do it.
Linda Burney to reception, please
If Australian Aboriginals have never ceded sovereignty to the British Crown, as the activists tell us is the case, then aren’t they excluded from being a Senator or representative member of the Australian Parliament as per Section 44 of the Australian Constitution?
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/aborigines/2022/06/aboriginal-sovereignty-and-section-44-of-the-australian-constitution/
Good points.
KD at 9:07.
Dot said earlier that there was more to a GG’s “job” than the reserve powers.
Like what?
If we must have a republic, the reserve powers could be transferred to the High Court but it could not initiate action against a government in and of itself. Someone (likely an opposition party) would have to petition the HC to exercise those powers.
What else?
Swearing in of ministers? Again, the Chief Justice of the High Court.
“Royal Assent” to Acts of Parliament. Well, in a Republic, Royal Assent is kind of redundant. The Speaker of the House and President of the Senate could jointly affirm that an Act has properly passed both Houses.
Anything further, apart from ribbon cutting, being patron of charities and hoovering up taxpayer cash?
Bring Lidia Thorpe with you.
I don’t understand defamation law in the US and possibly in Oz too.
Depp accused Amber Turd of signing off on a defamatory opinion piece in the WaPo.
If WaPo ran the piece why isn’t the newspaper in trouble instead of Turd?
The Sussman jury was rigged.
Mabo declared Australia was “settled.” What would the legal status of the indigenous been, had Mabo declared Australia “invaded?”
The Judgment is a mess. It throws around 3 types of arrival: conquest/invasion, cession/settlement or occupation/terra nullius. Generally invasion extinguishes rights, cession an orderly transfer of rights and terra nullius no rights existed to be destroyed or transferred. If the HC said it was settled, after they disavowed terra nullius then rights could exist (and neither could activism based on invasion) so they said the special case of non-terra nullius meant that even though an invasion of sorts happened there was still an orderly transfer so rights could still exist. Furthermore those rights were recognised by Common Law but could be extinguished by legislation consistent with the constitution and existing legislation such as the RDA. Hence the rush to implement the Native Title Act 1993 by Keating.
Initially NT had limited application to crown land but woke politics now see it intruding on nearly every type of title with the logical conclusion that the 3rd nations will get their own parliament.
I dunno.
Maybe as the writer/source of an Op-Ed piece she indemifies the paper.
Perhaps Cap’n Jack just decided she was the target he was after.
It was international law, too, which came into play about the authentication of indigenous land ownership.
All right, again, can any of the bush lawyers here help out. Mabo declared Australia was “settled.” What would the legal status of the indigenous been, had Mabo declared Australia “invaded?”
It would have been easier for Mabo to win.
Under the law before Mabo overturned it English law applied automatically (more or less) to a “settled” colony, but in a “conquered” colony the pre-conquest law continued until and unless overruled by the relevant authorities of the conqueror (e.g. the Imperial Parliament at Westminster or a colonial legislature).
So if the Islands had been “conquered” Mabo would have owned his land unless the government could have proved that some law had deprived him of it. The Mabo decision basically abolished the distinction between “conquered” colonies and “settled” colonies where there were inhabitants already there at the time of “settlement”. The old rule now applies only to absolutely deserted territory.
Sorry Z2KA I think you’ve now got two not entirely consistent explanations.
But whichever of us is nearer correct specifically, cohenite is right that the judgment is a mess.
I suspect the more correct term is “the jury pool was stacked”.
I’m just remembering two of the situations that arose..
1 – Running the family farm, there was a programme of a Government grant, for fencing off salt affected land, and planting it to salt bush. I applied for such a grant to be told that “It would facilitate the process, if you had permission from the traditional owners.”
Research revealed that the “traditional owners” lived two hundred kilometers away, and had never set foot on the property in their lives.
2 – A meeting of farmers was addressed by a certain prominent activist, who informed the meeting that they would just have to sit down with the tribal elders, and renegotiate the terms under which they occupied Aboriginal land.
Certain parties had “lunched well” and asked said activist, if they would be sitting down with the elders, and renegotiating the terms under which they had brought a house, on Aboriginal land..
“I took out a mortgage, and paid for that land…”
CM article on day 4 of Qld Police vax mandate hearing. It cant be said enough but senior QPS command and Dr Griffin are scum. Made worse by the fact the press has gone along with it and clearly are intent to do so. It is clear to all the vax do not work as intended but lets keep jabbing anyway. Meanwhile their Union does nothing. The guys fighting the mandate are the ones I would want in the Police and my utmost respect to them.
4 days so far and nobody from Qld Health or CHO called. Do we even still have a CHO or is the smug Dr Griffin now it ?
If some want to do a Google on Dr Griffin you find he works for an Aussie company called Nucleus Network ($600m value) who conduct many medical trials, mainly for overseas pharma, in Oz. Speed is one of their key offerings to clients. He features prominently in their promotional material and in their Youtube clips. One of the trials he led in Oz was for Novovax and his comments prior to approval in Oz was that it would probably be used as a booster shot. This turned out not to be the case as it was initially approved for 2 first shots but not as a booster. Call me cynical but it was only approved as a booster after initial take up of Novovax was so bad. Naturally the trials were conducted well before Omicron but I guess when you are such an expert that is a minor matter.
Griffin appears regularly on TV (the Project on Monday and mentioned in Daily Mail), radio and pretty much weekly in the CM. He constantly pushes getting the next jab as he did in his evidence below. When he is referred to in the press it is as an expert from the Mater Hospital. Since he must get significant financial benefit from Nucleus Network (ie. big pharma) would it be a conflict to be one of the most prominent in the country advocating for more booster shots. Or at least mention his connection to Nucleus.
So the question is to those QPS cops who took the first shots, how many do you think the organisation is going to want to impose ?
On 1 November 2021 Nucleus Network was taken over by a well known international company. Go to end of post to see which !
“A deputy police commissioner has denied recommending that a mandatory vaccination direction be introduced to stop some police officers’ resentment of unvaccinated officers. Deputy Commissioner Doug Smith said he knew that an earlier direction requiring police on border control be vaccinated against Covid-19 caused “some disquiet’’.
Mr Smith was under cross-examination by counsel for police trying to overturn a mandatory vaccination direction. More than 60 police and 12 ambulance officers are involved in the first legal challenge to mandatory vaccination, in a civil trial in Brisbane Supreme Court.
Mr Smith said he was aware of speculation that police who did not want to work on border control refused to get vaccinated so they could avoid that work. He said he also was aware of speculation that officers who had been vaccinated and were eligible to be sent to border control resented unvaccinated colleagues who were deployed elsewhere. Dominic Villa SC put to Mr Smith that he recommended to Commissioner Katarina Carroll that a vaccination direction be introduced to remove the source of resentment among officers.
“That is not correct,’’ replied Mr Smith, who was involved in helping Ms Carroll prepare her vaccination directions. He also was responsible for monitoring compliance with vaccination directions. Mr Villa put to Mr Smith that he understood that the only way police could access stage one of the vaccination rollout was to introduce mandatory vaccination. (am I reading this right – the only way frontline officers could be in first to get vax was if it was mandatory for all). “There was a connection there,’’ Mr Smith said, but he denied it was why he recommended that the Commissioner introduce a mandatory vaccination direction last year.
“It is your own feeling that it is unjust for Queensland police officers and staff members to remain unvaccinated, correct?’’ Mr Villa said.“I’m not passionate about it, no,’’ Mr Smith said. He denied Mr Villa’s suggestion that he regarded the police applicants in the Supreme Court proceeding as “troublemakers’’.
Under a court stay order, QPS is not allowed to take disciplinary action against the unvaccinated police who are suspended on pay, while their application is before the court. It was put to the Mr Smith in instructing Crown law to seek to have the stay lifted earlier this year it was to provide the basis for termination of the officers’ jobs. “It was to get the culmination of proceedings which had been on foot for some time,’’ Mr Smith said. He agreed that until the stay was lifted he was hamstrung in instituting proceedings against the officers.
Infectious diseases expert Professor Paul Griffin also was cross-examined about a report he provided to the court, for the Police Commissioner and Queensland Ambulance Service. He agreed the Omicron variant appeared to accentuate rapid waning of vaccine protection. Prof Griffin also was asked if vaccines provided limited or no protection against infection from Omicron. “I wouldn’t say it’s limited to no (protection), it’s certainly reduced compared to previous variants,” Prof Griffin said.
Prof Griffin agreed that for any benefit against transmissibility of Omicron it was necessary for regular boosters to be administered.
The hearing is continuing.
BLACKSTONE.
“Mastermind Australia” is a shit show.
The contestants are all podgy, usually 2/4 fluid and fruity, and have white trash expert subjects based on TV or fillums.
The compere- an ABC/SBS legacy appointment- has the enraging qualities of being both yappy and somehow slurringly ill-enunciated.
The show usually runs as me muttering at the screen during the expert round, and my kids getting more than the grown-up contestants in general knowledge.
Hard Quiz is little different, mainly the panel format and a host who is even more up himself.
The End. That’s my contribution to overnight Catwatch.
Bourne, thanks for posting that.
Famous trials, blow by blow: Depp v Heard, Ben Roberts-Smith, Brittany Higgins Pty Ltd.
Trials that never actually happened: Maxwell, Sussmann, Jab Command resistance… anyone taking on the Lizard People.
Top Ender reporting in from the front line of fighting back against masks.
Jetstar offered anyone without a mask on a free one to get onto the plane. I wore mine until 5 mins after takeoff and then dispensed with it. None of the trolley dollies cared.
Johannes Leak.
Mark Knight.
Warren Brown.
Peter Broelman has serious mental problems.
“Pride month”in NY. I’m excited aren’t you?
David Rowe.
Dave Brown.
Peter Brookes.
Michael Ramirez.
A.F. Branco.
Tom Stiglich.
Matt Margolis.
Chip Bok.
Gary Varvel.
Ben Garrison.
The whole sordid story is hilarious.
1. Big breasted porn star accuses Trump of having sex with her and then paying to STFU.
2. Grubby porn lawyer gets involved and steals her money.
3. Trump sues the porn star and wins the defam case.
4. Porn lawyer caught stealing from the porn star and ends up in jail.
5. Well before that, leftwing idiots were touting grubby porn lawyer as presidential material.
Another shipment of tanks from Poland to Ukraine
Belarus moves its army to the border with Ukraine and Poland
JP Morgan CEO Screams Economic Collapse | Unseen Interview
Anyone reckon Betty Poop will appeal?
I mean she has insane backers in mainstream and alternative media, some SIMPoid will likely turn up with cash.
Zipster says:
June 3, 2022 at 5:37 am
Bit disappointed by the Polish action, sucking up to Brussels maybe?
Smart move but, getting rid of the old decrepit armament.
But accordingly, to Zelensky they are winning so why the need for new weapons ?
Massive Fire Breaks Out At Poultry Farm, FBI Warns of Targeted Cyber Attacks On Food Plants
It would be interesting to see if JPM’s senior management are currently going through a stock vesting period or they’re getting close to another new stock option allocation . A lower price therefore being advantageous. Never trust these fucks.
What Happened to This Small Village Told to Accept 1500 ‘Refugees’?
Paul Joseph Watson
EXPOSED: The left’s 10 steps to DESIGN a national emergency
Glenn Beck
There are 3 pillars needed to transform America outside of the Constitution, and the Biden administration is crossing each one off its list. In fact, a 10 step ‘action plan’ to remedy climate change — presented to President Biden when he took office — eerily represents nearly all actions the left is taking today. THIS is their roadmap, Glenn explains, to gain more control over your life. They’re looking for a national emergency — a crisis they can design that will allow more power, more legislation, and more rules by which you’ll live. THIS is the way they’re doing it…
Looks like Turd will be bankrupt, but the poor widdle jury was confused by all the evidence!
“Excellent grounds to appeal”
She’s not going to rebuild her career anyway. Depp did a great public service.
Dilbert
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Fears CIVIL WAR 2 Is Coming As SHOCKING Number Of Democrat Men And GOP Women Support Assassinations
Tim Pool
Priorities…from the Daily Telegraph today…
“The number of grocery suppliers asking Coles for price rises is five times higher than it was a year ago, the supermarket chain’s CEO has revealed.
As the cost of everything from electricity to credit and diesel skyrockets, growers and manufacturers are also seeking bigger hikes than usual, the chain’s boss Steven Cain said.
“As I sit here today, we have got five times as many requests for price increases as we had last year. Five times,” Mr Cain told The Australian’s Global Food Forum.”
Meanwhile, from the Oz today…
“On May 18, Coles announced it would offer all employees 10 days of paid leave to go and change their sex. Euphemistically named gender affirmation leave, the policy is described as “an important step for Coles’ commitment to Champion LGBTQI+ inclusion in the workplace and further into the Australian community”.
In the same media release Coles announced it would be sponsoring Pride Cup Australia, a non-profit organisation that, among other things, lobbies for the inclusion of trans athletes in women’s sports.
While Coles has been competing with Woolworths to be the most inclusive employer for LGBTQ+, both companies have been underpaying their staff.”
If you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
Prince Andrew ‘tested positive’ for covid and thus did not make an appearance alongside Er Maj during her knees-up.
Yeah righto.
The only time I shop at Coles is when I want something on special that I need on the off weeks when its not on special at woolworths. I only shop at woolworths if Aldi don’t stock a certain product.
JCsays:
June 3, 2022 at 4:06 am
“Pride month”in NY. I’m excited aren’t you?
Well, no.
But good on you if you are, and enjoy celebrations of sundry and diverse depravities as are run-of-the-mill in your chosen abode. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Just encourage NY’s perverts, degenerates, freaks and weirdoes to keep it over there, there’s a good fellow!
Looks like business as usual in WA:
and
I wonder who decided that the prime waterfront site was worth one dollar, and next thing we know, taxpayers are spending $70 million to remediate it after it was bought by developers?
Yup. Business as usual in WA.
Australia Energy Council CEO on SKY putting Australian gas supply and price problems down to Putin.
State premiers with exploration and fracking bans all cheer.
Yeah, that was hilarious.
I think it was one of the ways they dealt with the Trump win: To attach hope to someone as a replacement. The porn lawyer because he was nipping at the ankles of the giant. They also went through a phase of trumpeting the coming of Oprah. (I think because they thought her star power would eclipse that of Trump, star power being what they saw as a key to his victory).
I think Oprah’s star began to wane soon after.
johanna
I wonder who decided that the prime waterfront site was worth one dollar, and next thing we know, taxpayers are spending $70 million to remediate it after it was bought by developers?
Yup. Business as usual in WA.
Does WA have an ICAC? m0nty-fa wants to know.
When I was working one of our labs was on old SECV workshops. A few hectares of old buildings near Williamstown somewhere. I went down there one day to see if we could quit the lease. Every building was still full of bottles of acid and chemicals when the government just walked away.
These buildings are abandoned for a reason.
Never found out what happened to the lease but I bet nothing has changed.
Reckon the Laxale story is a trap to fast-track the ALPCAC.
As soon as it’s set up, it will hear and dismiss the case. Forever after, we’ll have a kangaroo court and any complaint that it’s biased will be met with “the very first case heard was a claim against a Labor MP even though there was little evidence.”
The Uluru Statement from the Heart is couched in indistinct folkloric terms. It obviously means different things to different people and the underlying concepts (or what appear to be concepts) – Makarrata, ‘truth telling’, ‘agreement making’ – are left deliberately vague. The Constitutional amendments are completely unstated.
Yet we have talking heads assuring us that it’s all crystal clear, carefully and rigorously drafted – and backed by all Australians except the Neanderthal Right.
Chris Kenny:
Julian Leeser
An Expert
Yet, Gwenda Stanley, a Gomeroi woman and caretaker of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy, discredited the Uluru Statement:
Hopefully someone will stop talking in riddles and insiderspeak and crack on with actually consulting and exposing the details to the voting public – 97.3% of whom have no idea what is being proposed.
Because if the 2022 election results tell us anything, it’s that the punters are pissed off with the insiders…
If you believe this, you’d believe anything:
Like every other group temporarily in charge of parts of Afghanistan throughout history, they have selected the warlords they are doing business with, and are wiping out the competition.
Any experienced Asian correspondent knows this, as well as anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the history of the region for say, the last 300 years..
But, for today’s dewy-eyed, illiterate graduates, the world is full of prancing unicorns and nothing ever happened before Snapchat.
If you want to understand past use and land values have a look at the SAS rifle range at Swanbourne WA on Google Maps. Perverts will understand you can have a nudist beach in a metropolitan area.
Never, ever forget those plod heroes of the “lockdown” .. lotza dedication fitness not so much!.. LOL!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1532056203466924034
Reckon that’s an accident?
Why Guns Must Be Banned Now!
AwakenWithJP
Given what else they came up with, I’m not sure a claim that the porn lawyer would have been worse holds water.
bwahahah ahahahahhahahahahahhahaha
we need to have recall on judges urgently!!
they left out the P, how is that “inclushive”?
why stop at a month, just make it a permanent fixture, you know it makes sense.
what’s not to love about genetic defectism.
Yes.
A constitutional republic demands democratic checks and balances.
Betty Poop.
That is Amber Turd’s new name.
I remember reading that Porn Lawyer LLB at one stage in 2018 had some ridiculous number of interviews on CNN, MSNBC etc in the preceding three months. More than 100.
This is what a hero looks likeNever knew, brought tears to my eyes.
While Coles has been competing with Woolworths to be the most inclusive employer for LGBTQ+, both companies have been underpaying their staff.”
Stunning.
Coles will give employees full pay if they don’t like their junk, but all employees must have the batflu jab, forever.
I’ll see your Pride Month and raise you Reconciliation Week, which was preceded by AGL Indigenous round (two rounds actually) and will be followed by NAIDOC week, all with a constant back-beat of da Voice, da Voice, da Voice.
Biden’s Latest Plan To Divide America
Bill O’Reilly
Any word on Novavax getting booster approval?
“Where mRNA isn’t suitable”
Everyone I know at my work who had it eventually had bizarre side effects.
Ah yes, “Pfizer arm”, should not be a thing.
The unvaccinated deaths of 260 as a percentage of 963,169 is 0.026. The vaccinated deaths of 759 as a percentage of 4,277,351 is 0.018.
Statistically, a difference of 0.008% in reducing deaths by way of vaccines is hardly significant.
Read the whole thing and feel free to tell me where he is wrong.
https://www.corybernardi.com.au/posts/facts-do-matter/
I wouldn’t trust the High Court for anything involving integrity, those dinner party invites don’t happen by themselves. If laws were written in plain English there would be no need for interpretation. Laws are written for lawyers.
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1532236805143027713
Or
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1532236805143027713.html
I didn’t download the report he’s talking about, but the thread makes interesting reading. Jells with what I’ve been saying for a few years now, that the legitimacy of institutions and government in the western world is declining.
People no long believe the government works for their interests, or the justice system delivers actual justice. No accountability, no justice, etc. etc. People stop being invested in the system and eventually the system fails.
Police no one trusts, a justice system that lets criminals go with a slap on the wrist regularly, and governments carrying on like they have a mandate to do whatever they want when no one trusts them. Looking around right now, where are we in the process? How long until people stop playing in the bounds of the system? How long until they reject the whole thing?
Try writing in unambiguous language that applies to all situations – it requires a lot of skill, effort and discernment.
Liberals will let teal seats stew on lack of power for now
Peter Dutton said the path back to government runs through the suburbs, regions and small business. In reality, he has not abandoned the blue-ribbon seats lost to teal independents.
Much has been made about how Anthony Albanese is just the fourth Labor leader since World War II to take the party from opposition to government. The other three were Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke and Kevin Rudd.
Not much, however, has been said or written about how only four Liberal leaders have also achieved the same feat.
Robert Menzies defeated Ben Chifley; Malcolm Fraser, albeit controversially, took power from Whitlam; John Howard defeated Paul Keating; and, in 2013, Tony Abbott became the fourth Liberal leader to win government from opposition since World War II when he knocked off Rudd.
New Liberal leader Peter Dutton is aiming to be the fifth. History tells us Dutton won’t get there because no one, Labor or Liberal, who became opposition leader immediately after their party lost government has gone on to become prime minister. Moreover, it has been 90 years since Australia had a one-term government.
Dutton is unperturbed by such precedents and, given the disdain for orthodoxy that politics displays these days, who could blame him?
On Monday this week, as Albanese told caucus to plan for at least two terms in government, Dutton told his troops the plan was to limit Labor to just one.
The task will be enormous. The Coalition has been reduced to 58 seats, meaning it needs a minium of 18 more to win back power. The Nationals retained all their seats at the election, meaning the recovery pretty much rests solely with the Liberal Party, whose losses included the six blue-ribbon seats in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth that went to teal independents.
From Albanese’s perspective, none of the teals occupies a seat that Labor has a chance of winning. They are Dutton’s challenge, not his.
Dutton all but ignored this aspect of the catastrophe on Tuesday when he outlined the path back to power as running through the suburbs, the regions and the small business constituency.
As for the Liberal voters who deserted the party for the teals, there was no love. Well-heeled voters could cope with high petrol prices, “but in many of the areas we represent, in the suburbs, regional communities, people are putting $20 and $40 in their car because they can’t afford to fill up”.
“Similarly with the electricity bills. There’ll be an increase under Labor. Let’s be clear, electricity prices will up under Labor.”
There was no humility, just defiance.
To back his stated course of action, Dutton cited initial post-election analysis that showed while 200,000 voters deserted the Coalition for the teals, 700,000 left the Coalition to vote for parties on the right.
For example, in the NSW seat of Hume, held by Angus Taylor, there was a 7.3 per cent primary swing to One Nation, despite the candidate being rarely sighted and the party not bothering to staff polling booths. Labor has similar tales to tell, especially in Victoria.
It attributed swings to One Nation and the United Australia Party to what one MP called the larger-then-usual “pissed-off factor” which was aimed at both major parties and was a consequence of the COVID-19 hangover. Dutton called it a “pox on both your houses” election.
None of these swings to the right cost the Liberals seats, but many of them were rendered more marginal.
Let them stew for a while
Inside the party, there is a prevailing view to let those who abandoned the Liberal Party stew for a while on the fact that their seat no longer has any pull in Canberra.
This will be aided by Labor forming majority government with 77 seats, which enables it to sideline the 16-member crossbench.
But from Albanese’s perspective, none of the teals occupies a seat that Labor has a chance of winning. They are Dutton’s challenge, not his.
“We’re not going to poke them in the eye,” one minister says of the teals. “We’re happy for them to stay there because they keep the other mob out.”
Dutton still thinks there is scope to pick a fight on climate change. That’s a risk, but one that was slightly mitigated by the catastrophic energy crisis that has greeted the new government and rekindled a demand for gas.
After three years of constant complaint about how useless the Morrison government was at everything, Labor’s first response to the crisis was to blame its predecessor and say there is nothing that can immediately be done.
Not quite “I don’t hold a hose”, but definitely not what voters want to hear.
Wonderful, uplifting article which clearly explains why censorship and keeping control of the narrative is the number one priority. But, then, that hardly needs explanation because it’s the top priority in every dictatorship.
why public health “experts” never want to fight “the amateurs”
The AFR View
Labor gets mugged by global energy reality
The coal and gas supply crisis shows that old energy can’t be dumped before the new is ready to pick up the load.
A full-blown national energy crisis has dropped into the lap of the Albanese government two weeks after it won an election in which it promised to ease cost of living pressures.
Both Labor and the Coalition spent the election cynically telling voters they could cut power bills while fixing up climate change along the way.
Now household and industrial power bill shocks are fuelling the inflation surge driven in part by Australia’s success in recovering quickly from the pandemic, and in part by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
After blaming Scott Morrison for higher energy prices, Labor has been mugged by the same global forces that have compounded years of structural policy failures for which almost all sides of Australia’s climate wars share some of the blame.
Most of all, Australia and the world are paying the price of curtailing the supply of the key fuel – gas – that is critical to keeping the lights on during the decades-long transition to a renewables-based low-carbon economy.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen is right to suggest there is no quick and easy answer, even if that risks sounding like it isn’t the new government’s job. He also is right to reject knee-jerk reactions that risk making the problem worse.
The immediate crisis is the result of a perfect storm including the early winter cold snap on the east coast, a sharp reduction in solar electricity generation and disruptions to the coal-fired power stations that still account for most of Australia’s baseload electricity.
The most readily available fix may be Origin Energy CEO Frank Calabria’s call to get coal-fired power stations fully operational again.
A third of east coast coal-fired capacity was offline last month because of mishaps, maintenance, or problems at coal mines. The surge in global coal prices has further diverted gas from industrial use and heating into electricity generation, lifting east coast gas demand by a third amid a global gas market already in severe undersupply.
Yet this is happening in a country full of onshore gas that is scientifically safe to tap, but locked away under moratoriums imposed by governments fearful of environmental activists.
“The east coast is a prime example of what happens if the energy transition is focused only on stopping new oil and gas projects”, says Santos boss Kevin Gallagher, who is trying to accelerate the company’s huge Narrabri gas development in NSW, due to open in 2026.
Add the vaccine deaths to the latter tally and it would be even closer. Maybe considerably higher.
New study links COVID vaccines to 25% increase in cardiac arrest for both males & females (31 May)
Exactly. Fat pompous waffling windbags engaged in Humpty Dumptying at everybody else’s expense.
What’s that Shakespeare quote again?
I gather their donations are being replaced with a mix of surplus
Abrams, Leopard 2s and Challengers.
That should make logistics fun.
What light through yon window breaks?
My kingdom for a horse?
Hubble bubble toil and trouble?
Which one?
Sounds like Dutton is aware of the right moves to make. Heard the correct lines before though. Guess we will see if he follows through.
Please don’t bother us with facts; we have an eight year plan.
Interesting:
1) “We know that we have at least 900 team members who identify as transgender or gender diverse,” Coles Chief Legal and Safety Officer and chair of the Coles Pride Steering Committee David Brewster said.
2) The 2016 Census counted 1,260 sex and/or gender diverse people in Australia.
3) Coles Supermarkets/Number of employees 112,269
What does that say about Coles people?
Top Ender says:
June 3, 2022 at 2:41 am
Top Ender reporting in from the front line of fighting back against masks.
Jetstar offered anyone without a mask on a free one to get onto the plane. I wore mine until 5 mins after takeoff and then dispensed with it. None of the trolley dollies cared.
Didn’t happen 2 weeks ago on Qantas
Non-stop messages to wear Masks over loudspeakers in Terminals, Business Lounges SYD/MEL and on Flights
QF Business Lounge Staff excellent, realised with wounds on head unable to wear mask, and had Boarding Passes printed mask exempt and highlighted in yellow. and advised QF Flight Crew on Manifest – as QF cancelled both original flights – missed favoured seat up front and ended up down the back of economy
Mask Karen diagonally in front of my row complained to Hostie I did not have a mask on and she said “He’s OK he has Medical Exemption”
Will see how it goes next week
Something about running a supermarket must cause delusions of grandeur. You never forget the first time you come across Battlestar Galatica in the suburbs of Melbourne.
Old Ozzie @9.34.
Well, Duurrrh. No one could have predicted that, right? Not even the AFR. What an unpleasant surprise.
I hope those environmental idiots freeze to immobility in whatever smug, organic, virtue sandcastle they inhabit. Getting hit with the reality stick is always a bitch.
Sancho Panzersays:
June 3, 2022 at 9:05 am
What’s that Shakespeare quote again?
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”
It is among Shakespeare’s most famous lines
Cohenite, I find it odd that you and Bruce both cite that timeframe. I’ve been denouncing gerbil worming as a crock of shit from the moment I heard of it, which was mid 1989. It first came to prominence courtesy of that Hansen fraud at a US congressional hearing in mid summer 1988, where he insisted on opening all the hearing room windows so the morons he was haranguing would “feel the immediacy” of the (non existent) emergency.
How did I immediately know it was a crock a shit? It was being screeched about by the same fraudulent anti-scientific fact and evidence free imbeciles who were pushing the new ice age scare in the seventies.
Thirty fours year of utter bullshit and counting – and we’ve finally reached the stage where these preposterous idiotic lies are now starting to seriously degrade peoples’ quality of life.
Not because of catastrophic human induced climate change (which doesn’t exist) or human carbon dioxide emissions (which do not drive increased global temperatures), but by the staggeringly stupid hideously expensive anti-human “policy measures” introduced to prevent the aforementioned chimera.
Stupidest time in human history, ever. Thanks, collectivists.
An oversight, Shirley.
They would like two weeks extra leave?
Sweet Baby Cheeses.
#cutforamber is a thing.
SMOD can’t come soon enough.
Jeez, I’d forgotten that.
I don’t go to that part of town much.
Don’t even know if it is still there.
My exposure to a few of the employees who worked at Battlestar indicated that they were, in fact, more uppity than grocers should be.
Roger, this may be of interest to you.
And expanding rapidly from the look of it. I was in Coles yesterday, it’s dodgems. The young ladies with their trolleys picking out stuff for online shoppers have multiplied like tribbles.
There’s an irony in this, since Coles spent lots of effort to get people to use their robot checkouts in order to reduce their number of checkout chicks, thereby infuriating shoppers, only to now have a dozen or more full-timers wandering around the store with large trolleys.
I don’t know what is causing this phenomenon. Maybe there’re lots and lots of people terrified to go into virus-ridden Coles stores now that normal people have given up on stupid useless masks, sanitizers, social distancing and green vaccination certificates. I can’t see how shopping online could be any quicker really. And it’s got to be more expensive or Coles wouldn’t be able to employ all these trolley chicks.
Reminds me of an old Dutch proverb which translates as:
Drummed into me as a child, never let me down.
Gyro
Tell us gyro, how enjoyable do you find the Sydney Mardi Gras? Are you in one of tbe floats?
Video: Fauci Openly Admits Biden Mask Mandate Is About Preserving “Authority”
Have I done the maths right? Still suffering from getting out of the airport at 0130.
1) “We know that we have at least 900 team members who identify as transgender or gender diverse,” Coles Chief Legal and Safety Officer and chair of the Coles Pride Steering Committee David Brewster said.
2) The 2016 Census counted 1,260 sex and/or gender diverse people in Australia.
3) Coles Supermarkets/Number of employees 112,269
What does that say about Coles people?
It says that transgender or gender diverse people are 0.005 % of the population.
But at Coles they are 1.122 of the workforce.
So if you are out there in the population you’ll brush up against a trannie once in a town of 50,000.
But in Coles one in every hundred is one.
How lucky is that?
Same experience here at Coles. Almost every aisle is clogged with the online shopping trolleys. And, they are big, taking up twice the space of an individual shopper with a trolley.
I can imagine the business model where everyone orders online and they don’t have to have supermarkets anymore. But I suspect that it is a long way away, if ever.
Thanks dover.
It should be said the Ukrainains are certainly not the only ones guilty of such behaviours.
Ethnophyletism is the bane of Orthodoxy.
The Marxists running the White House have just wheeled out the puppet president to redeliver the same old Democrat speech about the need to confiscate guns from Republican voters.
Tucker Carlson, who led yesterday’s show with a piece on gun confiscation by communist regimes like China’s and their sympathisers in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, starts his show in a few minutes. Can’t wait.
The young ladies with their trolleys picking out stuff for online shoppers have multiplied like tribbles.
Please BoN, you know the correct analogy is “like Martian Flatcats”. Tribbles were a steal without attribution.
Everyone I know at my work who had it eventually had bizarre side effects.
Everyone I know who had Pfizer is not 100%.
Let’s skip the class action and go straight to lynching.
An oldie but still a goodie. Courtesy of Westprint Maps.
How did AEMO not know, or announce, the energy crisis only two weeks ago?
A third. Unforgivable incompetence.
Or a foreseeable consequence of being required to run a billion dollar plus asset in an uneconomic fashion.
But not at all unusual, I’m afraid.
At least he is not responding to the election loss by claiming that they have ‘heard’ Australians and will now rededicate themselves to the key items on Labor’s agenda.
Maybe he saw what was coming before the election and was pissed off. Maybe he is also pissed off with Trumble’s mob who prevented him from becoming PM when he thinks he could have won.
A bit of anger is a good thing – ‘cos there is a shedload of it out around the electorate.
Aha!
Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles says the government has not ruled out increasing domestic coal production in a bid to alleviate soaring energy prices, promising to leave “(no)stone unturned”.
The Albanese government is battling energy shortages that have driven a spike in electricity prices and ignited a three-day crisis, with Resources Minister Madeleine King scrambling to consult with industry operators to see how they could work with the government to alleviate skyrocketing gas prices.
As for AEMO, my guess is they just didn’t see the cold snap coming, as the gas supply factor has been known about for awhile.
Anybody who has run a 25yo RAV4 knows every dollar spent on maintenance requires scrutiny.
The 8 Year Plan – 43% less emissions by 2030 – hits its first snag.
Roger – yep, weather still trips up the power guys. heat in the West, heat or cold in the East. Can have a good run for a few years, meanwhile Harvey Norman is pumping out split systems.
Mak at 10:01
Another.
P: Evidence of hydraulic leak in nose landing gear.
S: Evidence removed.
The good and great at AEMO will be shuffling around uncomfortably and looking for blame-takers.
The fossil fuel and generating industries have been explaining and pointing towards the current situation for nearly 20 years.
It’s a science and engineering problem – tedious detail, not outrageously complicated, but inflexible.
It’s been backed away from by Law/Economics/Arts specialists, operating with the hopey hope that ‘the market will find a way’ and ’technology will deliver solutions’.
It has.
This is it.
The ‘First Nation’ is apparently not on the same page:
I read yesterday that Gina’s company has pulled out of an option to redevelop a Queensland island resort, formerly Great Keppel.
When I read the number of government agencies that needed to be aligned (about six) and then the local Aborigines were divided into factions for unrelated reasons, and they had also to be appeased, you can see why no sane person would touch it.
Sorry Mak.
You had that one.
Missed it.
A wishin’ and a hopin’.
Sydney Morning Herald.
Humanity certainly does not require another nuclear power plant. We are already gifted with the largest nuclear power plant in the solar system.
It is a star called the sun and it supplies daily and forever enough energy to supply the Earth’s needs several times over. Long may it shine.
Cornelius van der Weyden,
Balmain East
I wonder if there is something else she might threaten to ditch.
She is the main sponsor of Swimming Straya. I doubt she will continue to pour money into an organisation which shows all the signs of wavering on trannie swimmers.
Gwenda and St Ruth should hook up.
Even forty billion dollars isn’t enough to risk taking on the Pony Club and The Little Reef that Could.
Well, he got his four year term after all.
Yep, crunch time coming for that lump in the Speedos.
In ‘he who controls history’ news: https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-s-oldest-uni-library-overhauls-how-people-use-indigenous-resources-20220530-p5apjm.html
.. then we progress to book burning..
Somehow I don’t think these ladies will be placated with whispers of “we’re listening”, Linda.
More Cowbell… I mean more renewables will solve our energy problem.
Yep.
She knows that as soon as she signs on the dotted line, every wannabe hero in the public service will be throwing blockers in her way.
this south westerly is gonna keep blowing cold for a while longer
and imagine being stuck in the water for hours in weather like this.
At approximately 5am on Saturday 1st June 1878. there was a terrible crash, and the ship ran into a small island, Mutton Bird Island, east of Sherbrooke River near Port Campbell. The Loch Ard sank in only fifteen minutes.
Winter?
Great Keppel would be Adani in a bikini and bucket hat.
They’re the ones that work in the “fruit and vege section”.
Cornelius van der Weyden needs to learn that the sun is not ‘forever’ as a start.
Very good. 🙂
No, it’s by design. Distributors are incentivised to take renewable first, despite the premium price, then gas, then coal. For generators with gas plants in their portfolio it makes economic sense to have the coal offline to maximise usage of gas. It’s easy to turn an easily maintainable problem into a plant shutdown if the money makes it so.
AEMO designed it that way. No-one should be surprised.
Remove all market rules except for lowest price getting the gig, and all these problems magically disappear.
Everyone needs to turn their gas heating up a degree or two to help induce the inevitable crunch.
I certainly have.
To be fair to Cornelius, he does at least seem to have some solar panels on his multi million ($10M?) dollar waterfront pad in Balmain East.
I’m a little concerned by the 50ft motor launch out on his private jetty, but it could be his neighbour’s.
Solar power you peasants!
New UK Gov. report confirms COVID Vaccination significantly increases the risk of Death and kills hundreds of thousands after five months
Supposed to be mild under the reigning paradigm at AEMO.
“Kids will not see snow.”
We are already gifted with the largest nuclear power plant in the solar system.
It is a star called the sun and it supplies daily and forever enough energy to supply the Earth’s needs several times over. Long may it shine.
It also puts out lethal radiation some of which makes it through the atmosphere can causes acute burns and cancer. Eventually as it ages it will swell up, overheat the Earth and eventually swallow it whole.
A damn dangerous nuclear reactor, totally beyond our control.
Fear not.
Increased regulation and taxation will bring it to heel.
“I read yesterday that Gina’s company has pulled out of an option to redevelop a Queensland island resort, formerly Great Keppel.
When I read the number of government agencies that needed to be aligned (about six) and then the local Aborigines were divided into factions for unrelated reasons, and they had also to be appeased, you can see why no sane person would touch it.”
Yep. And you have to wonder why local Aborigines are consulted because no Aboriginal, until European settlement, would have ever set foot on Great Keppel.
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But it would be part of their “Sea Country”.
A term of have just learned.
Maybe I am weird but I prefer to be involved in selecting the food I will eat, and do choose somethings over others. I would not even just take random selections, and I would expect the people preparing people’s deliveries do be more heeding their manager injunctions to load up with products closer to expiry dates or a bit wonky.
My experience of the shop drones of Colesworths is that they are sullen clock-watchers with absolutely no affinity with or especial goodwill for customers.
I am happy to forego the wider (not better) range in those ghastly-lit sepulchres to Mammon, where a degraded clergy mechanically perform rituals without understanding or purpose, and go to IGA and Harris Farm. The people there, while not singing happy songs in unison at the registers or cartwheeling in the aisles, have a better attitude. Some of them smile!
Bruce of N
I can’t see how shopping online could be any quicker really. And it’s got to be more expensive or Coles wouldn’t be able to employ all these trolley chicks.
Tried it a couple of times. The delivery windows were (then) three hours long. The first one was 0600 to 0900, the next 1800 to 2000. Not wildly convenient!
to 2100!
Sadly no, that wouldn’t work. Has to be contracts for delivery on a 24 hour/365 day basis. Otherwise solar wins during the day, wind wins when windy and coal shuts down despite being the most reliable and efficient option.
If you have contracts for delivery it kills the intermittents because they have to buy electricity to fulfill their contracts when the sun and wind are unavailable. That then penalizes them for the intermittency which is currently a parasite on the neck of the base load generators.
Bruce, for the shopper, on-line must be faster than driving to and from the shop, walking up and down the aisles, queueing to scan your own items or waiting for the lady in front of you to have her full trolley items processed.
On-line shopping only takes a few minutes – plus the wait time for delivery of course.
More SMH wisdom.
Perhaps we should consider reversing gas pricing? We could stop sending gas overseas at giveaway prices and prioritise Australian citizens/consumers at more reasonable rates.
Nino Pol, Randwick
Company develops gas field at great expense, then gives the gas away.
Eggactly.
I like to reward the local IGA with my custom now because of the very positive experiences they delivered during the lockdowns.
Cassie
Yep. And you have to wonder why local Aborigines are consulted because no Aboriginal, until European settlement, would have ever set foot on Great Keppel.
But, but, but, Benny Wong assured us that the “First Nations” had long established relations with their Indo-Pacific neighbours.
Maybe the neighbours came to visit, looked, and went away. It took someone with the stubbornness of Poms to try to make something of the place and its inhabitants.
Sancho
But it would be part of their “Sea Country”.
Something to do with skimpy clothing?
A third. Unforgivable incompetence.
The impact of wokeness on industry.
Promotion based on Correctness not Competence.
I do my on-line grocery shopping at BWS.
Delivery in an hour (or less) and, if over an hour, next delivery no $10 delivery fee.
BWS stocks most of the the nutritious food groups. 🙂
dopey
Company develops gas field at great expense, then gives the gas away.
At great expense, and over the violent, taxpayer funded, objections of residents of Balmain and Randwick, and then gives the gas away.
Fixing!
They still believe that capitalists are rotund old white men with walrus moustaches, and who wear top-hats and morning suits and carry an ornate cane in one hand and a bag full of gold coin in the other. And when they get to their homes which are transitional between gothic architecture and gothic novel, they retreat to their underground hoard rooms and perch atop the tallest mountain of gold and laugh a loud laugh as cold and hard, and black, as stone.
They really see that as the barrier between their socialist utopia. They do not see businesses as creating wealth but as the dam wall holding it all back.
Very interesting analysis. I didn’t know that you could shoehorn a PR system in under our current constitution.
tl;dr the Coalition would do much better than it did last month, but the real winner would be the Greens as they get an almost permanent balance of power in the Reps as well as the Senate.
I think this is the shape of things to come in the Reps without PR, with the Teals getting more seats than the Greens. The Greens would love to move to PR and they would be gagging for someone to join with them to push it through. Would the Libs do it for short-term gain, especially if it means wedging the Teals?
You lot bang on about the Uniparty ™ with some justification, and I can foresee Labor and Liberal forming government together in the medium to long term if they both get attacked by the Green/Teal splitters.
It would be very easy. Andrew Inglis Clark made sure of that.
m0nty-fa
You lot bang on about the Uniparty ™ with some justification, and I can foresee Labor and Liberal forming government together in the medium to long term if they both get attacked by the Green/Teal splitters.
And how will you and your ilk react to that development? Suddenly the enemies you have hated and feared for decades are your allies? Much cognitive dissonance perhaps? Or perhaps not, to have cognitive dissonance, there needs to be a capability for cognition.
wind wins when windy
The wind also tracks daylight as well. Always drops in the night as diurnal heating subsides except when there’s a weather system approaching or just leaving.
“It’s a windy night” is a saying as that’s less usual than a windy day.
Jesus these Greenpeace ads are laying it on thick.
Human activity deadens and kills whales.
Um…
My old flat in Dee Why…1 km from the ocean.
It would wake me up sometimes in the wee hours. It could be noisier than Pittwater Rd.
Must have been a lot of dead whales up the road at Whale Beach.
Red-blue coalitions are common in proportional representation nations M0nty. Germany has them often. Israel currently has one, sort of.
The UK system in the Commons is the best, since it makes it easier for third parties to get a win in a constituency. That rewards the pollies for delivering what the voters want, and makes their votes count much more than in preference systems or proportional systems. And the voters then have an actual local representative instead of the unapproachable elite in the proportional system. UK would be better with a proportional in the Lords though, since the current bunch are extremely undemocratic.
That may be skewed by regional parties like the SNP, DUP, etc.
In NSW, our 50 or so Federal seats could by split into 10 multi member electorates.
…but what I really want, is of course, sortition.
Never mind the lawyers; the first thing we do, let’s kill all the HR people.
(That’s a humurous reference to Shakespeare, ASIO…OK?)
As I have been saying, we are moving to a European model under the current post-Westminster system and I can see the Greens pushing for a proposal like the one in the link to speed up the process. It would certainly be in their interests to get PR in, not sure if it favours anyone else though. The Teals would hate it I reckon, they’d prefer smaller electorates.
They could benefit from Hare-Clarke proportional representation with multi member electorates.