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Bother! I thought you left out “to”. With Kevni it has to be total surrender with penalties.
want -> won’t
we stopped using ANZ systems are archaic garbage
Australian Energy Market Operator says electricity spot market across the eastern states suspended
The national electricity market has been suspended across all eastern states for the first time after AEMO said it was ‘impossible to operate’ in accordance with the rules.
Sal,
Care to expand on this?
“SFW, depends what you want your gennie to run.”
Indeed.
And while there is a difference between kVA and kW, most appliances will have some sort of power factor correction in them anyway, meaning these are close enough to make no difference.
So just read the product labels for power consumption, add it all up, and if your gennie has some left over, you’re good. If not, you’ll need to decide what you can do without and what you can’t.
Ovens, stove-tops, clothes dryers and air-conditioners will be the biggies – these create or move large amounts of heat, and that takes large amounts of power. Check your garage for old appliance like kettles – the new “30 second” ones are fast, but consume more power, the older ones take longer but consume less power (they both consume the same amount of energy to boil the same amount of water, but for a gennie instantaneous power is more important than the total energy required). In the same vein, a small “portable” air conditioner might struggle to cool more than a single room of your house, but with a gennie it might actually be possible to run it – new ones are quite efficient.
In short, collect the data on power usage, do your sums, and make your trade-offs between what you need, what you want and what you can afford to buy.
Don’t forget to also consider fuel usage and tank capacity – more power = more fuel needed. You should probably make sure you can run the thing for 8 hours or so without a refill, just so you can actually manage to have a sleep without your freezer defrosting itself.
As for the actual fuel, LPG is not such a bad choice – you can get a “house sized” tank of a couple of hundred litres and get it filled as a “delivery”. With appropriate jetting, your stove-top and heater can use LPG direct – plenty of people already do this.
Good thing about LPG is that it doesn’t go “stale” like petrol does, and there’s little to no risk of it being contaminated by water or other junk, so much better as a “prepper” solution. And there are plenty of places around that do the “Swap and Go” thing with 9kg (about 12L) bottles, which you can steal if the zombie apocalypse arrives. 🙂 Transport and storage is safe and “mature” – tanks are certified for 10 years, and how many times have you seen a rusty old gas bottle that still has usable gas in it get used when the normal barbie bottle runs out?
Good thing about diesel is you can “make your own” from (used or not) cooking oil and alcohol.
Good thing about petrol (and diesel) is the wide availability.
The “Port Arthur was a false flag operation” bit.
LOL, the ‘refusal’ to command the energy economy to transition to renewables has forced the ‘system operator’ to command the energy economy. Indeed.
What has indeed happened is that two decades of ‘renewable’ focus has left our baseload generators seriously underinvested and poorly maintained.
I saw The Critical Drinker’s take on it (based on what they have told us about it to date).
He is none too optimistic. In fact, he thinks they just want to make sure the franchise’s corpse is really dead.
Bluey:
I’ve done more for the environment by buying wine with Aluminium enclosures (Apart from the cork ones, that is) than any Greenwit gluing themselves to the road outside a fast food joint.
I should put that on a T shirt.
I’m sure you’re guilty of wrongthink, so it doesn’t count.
Vicki:
Awesome.
May I genuflect in your esteemed direction?
I dream of having a 1,000 litre fuel tank.
m0ntysays:
June 15, 2022 at 3:29 pm
m0nty, thanks for pointing out that shining example of just how fuckwitted homo sapiens can be.
During decades of campaigning the left wing green activists have succeeded in blocking vast amounts of fossil fuel development, reducing Australia’s coal fired generating capacity significantly (e.g. Hazelwood alone provided over 5% of Australia’s demand), and creating a regulatory regime which incentivises the owners of the remaining coal units to spend only the absolute bare minimum on repairs and maintenance.
Conversely they’ve had the country plastered with taxpayer-subsidised wind and solar farms.
And when the blackouts start, they claim that the problem is too much coal, or too few wind and solar farms.
Never mind that we had >99% system reliability for many decades when the system was overwhelmingly coal with a bit of gas and hydro, and that all the problems started only when we had significant wind and solar “capacity” introduced to the grid. Never mind that wind and solar frequently produce 0.0000 [recurring to infinity] power, and we’ve got zero control over when that happens. Reliability problems are all about fossil fuels.
BTW, we have had population growth in the last forty years. How many generators have been constructed in that time?
Worse.
He’s guilty of XXXX worship.
Light winds forecasted for SA, Vic and NSW over Friday, Saturday and Sunday. That will test the grid a bit.
I am not an expert on electricity markets, but I am told that the AEMO suspending the market will mean no blackouts. Which is nice.
Surprised munty wasn’t crowing about “market failure”, after the market had been tinkered with in every way imaginable.
132andBush says: June 15, 2022 at 3:48 pm
It was the local cop & the one from one of the surrounding towns.
They’d come out to arrest one of the workers of the contract harvester. Poor reconnaissance by Plod, as nobody was there to be arrested.
I suggested that they use an invention known as the telephone to check with me if anybody was around. This prompted a round of contumelious snorts toward me.
Like as if I was going to side against the local copper in favour of some visa overstayer or drug-user.
We chatted a while & they left. They refused a cup of tea & didn’t ask any casual-but-inquisitive questions about anything.
The firearm manufacture demonstration seemed to ruin their day.
Angus Taylor’s refusal to plan the transition from coal has led to AEMO flicking the NEM switch to Cuba mode.
His refusal to facilitate the renewables transition has forced the system operator to command the energy economy. Comrade Angus, well done.
Old radio interviews age like milk.
CALLER: Hello, good morning Prime Minister.
PM: Good morning.
CALLER: Just want to you know, a lot of Australian homes doesn’t have gas connections at their home, because the gas providers doesn’t want to give connections. Now during the winter we use a lot of electricity just for heating purposes.
Why don’t the Government give some sort assistance to these providers to give gas connection to every home? We have plenty natural gas in Australia, so we should utilise that resource. HOST: Okay, thank you for that.
PM: We do have plentiful gas and there are some constraints at the moment about moving it around the nation so that it does get where it’s needed and where people want it.
I was a little bit earlier this week, when I made my first speech that started this electricity price debate, I was at an energy institute where we were also talking about some of the constraints on gas supply.
So yes, that is an issue too and one that we need to be thinking through, and our Minister Martin Ferguson is thinking that issue through in the context of the Government delivering an energy white paper, which will be about all sources of energy, not just electricity.
But whilst we’re working through those issues, we can’t miss the moment for acting on power prices, electricity prices for the future, which is why I’ve been so focused on that this week.
HOST: Prime Minister, in terms of this discussion about receiving now a gold-plated distribution network, as it’s being described, that is over-investment in poles and wires. Should Australians wind back their expectations of the reliability of supply, and perhaps be willing to tolerate brown-outs, perhaps even black-outs on those few days a year when power demand peaks?
PM: We’ve got to have a reliable energy supply. There’s some silly commentary around today about this whole debate is all about brown-outs and people not being able to put their air-conditioning on. Of course it’s not about that – I want people to have a reliable energy supply and I made that point very strongly when I gave the speech a little bit earlier in the week.
But experts in the area are pointing to the fact that we are seeing very costly investment is poles and wires – some of it over-investment – above and beyond what we need for a reliable energy supply.
Have just read terrifying article on the state of our armed forces in today’s Australian Spectator:
Are we THAT unprepared???? Holy cow!!!
Drills
Nothing at all personal, but most of your stories are a little hard to believe. There’s just that little bit more of very unnecessary blowharding.
Let’s examine the last.
1. Cops never heard of the telephone.
2. Cops should have used you because.
3. Didn’t ask anything considered inquisitive or helpful as judged by you.
4. The firearm thing ruined their day? Why?
It’s always the smartest, coolest guy in the room with you. And you’re not.
Stand-alone, this is just ploppy political abuse. Taylor was Minister for three years – whereas the course of events that have led us to Cuba stretch way back, 15+ years.
That said, the past decade of Coalition governments stand in the naughty corner; along with the alphabetscape of regulators and ‘market operators’, and every east coast State government.
The events that will consume Australia for the next years were wholly predictable – and were clearly and expressly predicted. This is a fuckup of responsible government writ large across all political boundaries.
BTW, we have had population growth in the last forty years. How many generators have been constructed in that time?
Same number constructed as new dams over the period.
They want their population ponzi without even the slightest bit of responsible investment associated with it.
Jarrod Brady, author of today’s Spectator article on our woeful defence capability, hit the nail on the head:
But, but, but we have to get rid of fossil fuels because otherwise we’re all gonna fry!
but are unwilling to defend it.
I’m not defending anything.
Thanks everyone for the advice and info re generators. Have to consider it carefully. Fortunately my eldest son is a sparkie and will do a switch for me.
whereas the course of events that have led us to Cuba stretch way back, 15+ years.
It goes back to 1998 when the whole system was put together.
Then from there, not enough interconnectors.
Then not enough dams.
Not enough battery storage.
The current shit show is on all states & territories & federal governments since 1998 (ex WA & NT).
Doc Faustus:
I plead guilty on that count, yer onna.
Meant to buy some more fresh stuff when I went a’hunting this morning, but I’d filled the boot on the Mighty 380 with an extravagant amount of victuals for the food dump.
Tomorrow will suffice for another half a dozen slabs.
Mind you, I received a carton of Red wine this morning from the Red Wine Fairy at Naked Wines.
All aluminium enclosures – doing my bit for the planet.
Think of it the other way M0nty: if he had given in to the climate crazies and closed a couple of coal fired power stations, like Eraring and Loy Yang, we’d’ve had blackouts all up and down the coast last night.
Instead we now have green as grass Matt Keen begging the operators to keep the coal plants going. Amazing what reality can do to you when it decides to mug you.
Didn’t I see Daniel Andrews suggesting just that for health workers?
Ftb,
Are you taking the piss?
m0ntysays:
June 15, 2022 at 3:29 pm
Dan Cass @DanJCass
Angus Taylor’s refusal to plan the transition from coal has led to AEMO flicking the NEM switch to Cuba mode.
Translation: His refusal to sign a blank cheque for subsidies for ruinables has made the subsidy farmers unhappy, and they are going to take their windmills and go home.
Are we THAT unprepared???? Holy cow!!!
Not only that, but they have been spending money working their way through destroying equipment that should have been in war emergency reserves.
130,000 SLR’s melted down (really really dumb now that 5.56 resistant body armour is now relatively common).
I had a mate who got to destroy all of the previous generation of body armour. The problem with it was not that it was no longer effective against modern ammunition, but rather that it was to heavy for petite blonde ADF members.
Generally I would say that they have been more concerned about leakage of older military equipment into the Australian Community than they have been about the need to store it for a future conflict.
If you wanted to pull Australia’s pants down and bend it over in readiness. This is exactly what you would be doing.
Energy storage takes a lot of volatility out of parts of the US grid.
It’s the volatility that kills you after a while.
That slimy shit bowen now advocating reduction of demand for electricity as the solution to the shortage created by his advocacy of renewables. Green groups in Europe are now demanding this is the solution to climate change: humans have to use less power. There was an article a couple of days ago about this; has anyone got a link?
now advocating reduction of demand for electricity as the solution
Cut the cables from NSW to the ACT.
How does he like those apples?
rickwsays:
June 15, 2022 at 4:10 pm
I am not an expert on electricity markets, but I am told that the AEMO suspending the market will mean no blackouts. Which is nice.
Surprised munty wasn’t crowing about “market failure”, after the market had been tinkered with in every way imaginable.
See my question, now on an earlier page, about the number of organisations “regulating” this capitalist free-for-all market.
Sorry to say I predicted this earlier today.
“Closing the gap” has taken on a new meaning.
The AEMO chief said that “this will provide true transparency” over pricing.
Seriously.
That’s Joe Biden level gaslighting.
BoN,
Interesting exercise there.
What if those two were not spinning at over 100% capacity and were, indeed, not there at all.
Would that be enough to black out the grid?
And if it did, how long to “Black start” ?
Australia in 2022…..
1. We exports most of our high grade coal.
2. We export most of our gas.
3. We export ALL of our uranium.
We’re a country governed by clowns.
Re household gennies
I installed a 7000w fuel injected petrol Honda after SAs 2nd ‘3 day black’.
Learnings from that
1) When the house is ‘quiet’ its drawing little power, less than 1000w
2) The 7000w was more than enough to run pretty much everything, although you wouldnt want to run the water pump, oven, aircon, microwave, kettle etc all at once – just be a big judicious
3) Because the ‘base draw’ is so low, its not really suited to a big diesel because they dont like low load running – hence why I went for the petrol honda, which was very quiet and reliable… indeed it needed a ‘pilot light’ to let me know it was running
4) I went the full ‘auto switch over’ rolls royce system, which was great, but pricey and, a trap for young players…when the battery on the genny died, it turned the whole house off because it somehow required the ‘signal’ from the genny, even when running off the street
Didn’t I see Daniel Andrews suggesting just that for health workers?
Yes, but Dickhead Dan and his Fellow Travellers are now in a very deep hole that’s in the wrong place. Last thing these fucking imbeciles will do is admit a mistake. Fucking Dickhead Dan will be singing his own praises as the saviour of Victoria right up until the moment someone pulls the lever on the trap door.
EVs will have to be on the back burner for another couple of decades while storage catches up to demand.
But experts in the area are pointing to the fact that we are seeing very costly investment is poles and wires – some of it over-investment – above and beyond what we need for a reliable energy supply.
And now AnAl wants to put $20 billion of taxpayers’ hard earned up to “stimulate” a further $58 billion of private “investment” in more poles and wires.
These Laybore types really are slow learners, almost as slow as m0nty-fa.
They don’t match your feminine life-experience?
What. a. surprise.
Learnings from that
I would also add that it gets extremely complicated if you have solar panels and want to try and use them to contribute.
The jenny power can be used to trick the solar panel inverter into thinking that mains power is still available (and therefore supplying), BUT, you need to have an automatically adjustable load bank because minimum jenny output plus solar panel output can easily exceed the load available from the house.
Happens with twins alot, every one thinks it cute.
So much of this is on the regulators too.
They’ve complained about the alleged “gold plating” of networks for 20 years which has flowed through to what the regulated rates of return on the networks could be.
Meaning underinvestment.
Meaning a grid that is not fit for purpose when adding renewables to the mix.
There are so many parents to this abortion of an energy policy.
If the retarded “national energy guarantee” that Josh was balls deep in promoting was in place, the gaming of the system would had lead to this kind of discombobulation sooner.
Macquarie & every rat with a gold tooth would have made buckets of dosh.
At the expensive of the punter.
My earlier question about energy regulation in Australia. Anyone (including the idiot m0nty-fa) who thinks that we are operating a capitalist generation system is off with the fairies (no, not those fairies).
Boambee Johnsays:
June 15, 2022 at 10:56 am
Can someone put together a list of the organisations and regulations governing the electricity system (it is clearly a lie to call it a “market”) in Australia.
In one post above, we had the Australian Energy Regulator, the Australian Energy Market Operator, the Australian Energy Market Commission, the National Electricity Rules, the Cumulative Price Threshold, and the Australian Energy Operator.
There also is the LRET. What else is there?
Drills, you purport to own a motel. Every male at the front desk of a hotel is mostly gay, so stop it with the attempt to upgrade yourself to some sort of Croc Dundee. It only works with the feeble minded. Go make sure the toilet rolls have the neat little triangle patterns. That is if you still own the truck-stop. You don’t appear to.
Ukraine killing surrendering soldiers, shelling civilians.
Another day ending in “Y”.
And if it did, how long to “Black start” ?
I think it took one South American country a month to do a black start. I wouldn’t dismiss this as incompetence either. Very tricky thing starting a massive machine that has never been completely stopped and restarted before.
Best job in Australia right now?
Being a lawyer for Origin or AGL.
What has happened is that government asset provision was privatised – i.e. flogged off to foreign governments – and then turned into a market, a project which has now failed comprehensively. This system has been neglected for years by the Coalition and has devolved to the point where it leads to deliberate shutting down by certain providers as a protest that their exorbitant margins aren’t supporting their inflated share price. AEMO has had enough and has invoked the last resort.
As usual, Labor has to clean up the mess created by LNP abandonment.
Not only that, but they have been spending money working their way through destroying equipment that should have been in war emergency reserves.
At least the BUSHMASTERS can feel “proud” they went down fighting .. LOL!
Uranium goes to Kazakhstan to be processed into fuel anyway.
So even if we had a Nuclear Power Industry, it wouldn’t be working due to AntiRussia Sanctions.
I have never claimed that.
Dumbass.
Ed Case or M0nty, which one are you?
They’ve complained about the alleged “gold plating” of networks for 20 years which has flowed through to what the regulated rates of return on the networks could be.
I’ve had very little to do with power generation. However, IMHO, suburban substations that are predominantly equipped with 1950’s Metrovick Transformers which are leaking transformer oil doesn’t look very gold plated to me.
Get yer hand off it Munty. Labor have never fixed anything followed by every other government.
Only one parent.
The ideology of AGW.
Everything else is the bastard child of it, post modernist thought and Marxist doctrine.
Why didn’t they do that during the last 9 years of Coalition Government?
Not game to?
Sicko! Only just above G&T drinkers.
At least the BUSHMASTERS can feel “proud” they went down fighting .. LOL!
“Proud” in a rebranded Azov Gay Battalion way??! 🙂
Pubs generally don’t take boarders anymore, so it’s either a Motel or you’re a bullshitter.
Of course, there’s no doubt the Liars are going to make the energy situation worse. But at this exact point in the accounting cycle, you’d have to say that the Libs totally fucked things up. They royally screwed it up.
In the cab this morning I was listening to the news and the stupid cow on the ABC was reporting on the energy issue. It was Virginia Trioli (troll in Italian :-). She had this piece of shit expert on suggesting the reason we have an energy shortage is because the system isn’t owned by the government. As a kid I recall regular , rolling strikes in that sector as the unions treated the plants as captured capital. Also, governments have threatened the owners to ban coal plants causing a writedown to zero. Why would they bother running these assets with care and a view to the long term? Also, the amount of regulation since the privatizations has been immense.
Never an objective view at their ABC. Never.
As usual, Labor has to clean up the mess created by LNP abandonment.
Fat boy takes the piss.
Chris Bowen was in the media recently saying they would back AEMO to the hilt, something I reckon was instrumental in today’s move. Not sure that was ever said by an LNP minister.
Something in the news today about a “sun tax” on domestic solar inputs to the grid in QLD to reflect the cost of upgrades. No longer a money spinner, it would seem.
Wrong.
The Coalition makes the Corporations play the game,
Labor says:
Wouldn’t argue. In fact I could take it back to 1995 and privatisation for peanuts.
My comment went back to 2007/08, the rejection of additional HELE stations to Kogan Creek, and the start of the CCS fantasy by JW Howard and Kevin Fucking Rudd.
The indecision rot started there.
Yes, nuclear.
Because he didn’t choose communism, we have Communism.
You chuckleheads.
Why did they buy them in the first place, knowing that was the future?
It’s motel, Drills. There may be or may have been a liquor license but it’s a hinterland setup, so it’s basically a motel.
In any event, picking up soiled sheets is hardly an alpha male task. I hope you wear gloves.
Do you still own it as I want to be accurate with the tense?
Vicki:
Yes.
…and yes.
The failure in delivery and planning of every aspect of our National and State governments is appalling.
Realistically, what is needed – and I am deadly serious about this – a purge of the Brahmin Class in Australia, with first prizes of a firing squad (after a trial of course) along with lengthy prison sentences for the remainder.
There is not one area of governance that has been efficiently executed over the last 40 years. The failures have been monumental and the successes invisible.
The Nation is bankrupt and our industrial sector hollowed out by avaricious plutocrats who have amassed obscene levels of wealth and influence.
The fish is rotting from the head down – it’s time to amputate the diseased organ.
NADT – 🙂
m0nty finds a guardian opinion piece, picks out the lunatic bits and pastes here. He’s a fucking troll, no sane person could believe the shit he posts.
Our energy sector is a bureaucratic shit show. Over regulated, over governed, handcuffed by international treaties, investor nightmare, stupid rules, price fixed, the list is fucking endless.
Anyone who thinks its a free market is a chin dribbling fucking spastic.
We’re a country governed by clowns.
I think you forgot bauxite and iron ore. Very little domestic processing.
Hell will freeze over the day the abc and msm interview a techical person who actually operates a 1st world power grid.
here’s my test
– my joint is all electric except for the hot water.
– induction cooktop
– electric oven
– 20 kW(r) of heat-cool installed and about 1/2 of that runs at any given time
– if the missus is home alone then every light, fan and split system is on with setpoints of 25°C
– there’s 6kW of solar on the roof
10 days ago I installed a check meter in the switchboard and linked it to the solar inverterer so that I could log generation and consumption data minute-by-minute
Data gets stashed up the cloud so that I can inspect visually later as charts and make programmatic calculations on the data stream.
so … mostly we are averaging about 2500W during the day with 4000W peaks
depending on when when the missus gets up, there are solid peaks of around 8500W
that’s her set-point change, the lights and the kettle and toaster.
So my best guess at this point is that if we had a 8000VA genny we probably wouldnt need to change our habits much for it to cope with near everything.
A 3500VA would handle lights and cooking or lights and heating but probs not handle both at the same time …
any way I havent bothered logging the power factor because pretty much all your rotating motors are inverter driven and the their power factor will be very high. This means for the most part that Watts and VA are pretty near the same thing for most people.
unless youre running you swimming pool pump or a fan for ducted heating, just allow say 10% to go from VA to W
youse should be able to work out you own home pretty easily with some rules-of-thumb …
your kettle is prolly 1200W(e) on its own (read the label).
a cooktop or oven is about 4kW(e) but remember that would be maximum if all burners ON
lights are bugger all if they’re LEDs, in either case use the rating in watts printed on the globe.
for people with split systems.
If you have a 8kW (r) split then for heating you can divide that by about 4 to get electrical power required for heating, divide by 3 for cooling.
This is because of whats called Coefficient Of Performance (COP) … for a splitty on heating it will prolly have a COP of 4.0 ish. This means it takes 1kW of electrical power to move 4kW of heat form outside to inside your lounge room
I’ll wager most others homes will come in at or around 8kVA for dont-care backup or, 3500VA for limp-along backup.
(except for JC whose mansion prolly needs its own nuclear reactor)
Okay.
Not unless he was on drugs at the time.
Next weeks headlines:
Yes, they were purchased at very reasonable prices in the 90s. NSW tried to sell theirs around 2005 and they could only get a couple of nickels as the threats were becoming quite real. There were no threats in the 90s and the idea miserable fucking morons like the greens and yourself would be trying to close them down every day wasn’t contemplated.
Nut case Australia could have a nuclear industry from cradle to grave. The only problem being sooks like you. Australia is full of them, we’re standing in it. Pathetic! Australia is so shit at doing processing coz every lazy turd wants everything without working for it. Fuck Labor, fuck the SFL. In the early 80′ I did some work for Power Nuclear Co. Japan. Then Labor got in, sook, sook we’re all gonna die. Nothing. If Labor weren’t so shit they’d have nothing. I’ve had enough.
fact check: TRUE
We are a country governed by traitors.
Hard to feel sorry for a burglar finding the house is already trashed.
So you’re saying it’s Jeff Kennett’s fault. Fair enough.
I ask myself that Monty every time I see a windmill or a solar panel.
Totally unnecessary & ridiculously costly to the grid and customers.
And then there’s the massive carnage on wildlife and forests.
PS.
if you have electric hot water systems, read the label in Watts and then add all of it to your power demand. that load will be on full for quite a while after somebody takes a bath.
before my Nanna died she used to tell me about the depression years and how the used have what they called Susso-Showers.
When you were hard of luck you’d get to stand in a bucket of warm soapy water.
Do just your under-arms and crutch and that was it.
Susso-Showers … get used to em
and enjoy yr bugs
You know who really buggered up a first-world energy market? The Republicans in Texas. What a shyte show that was last northern winter
At least we’ve got an AEMO to bring some semblance of order to a SNAFU.
Question: Does anyone know just how many “Institutes” there are in Australia, or even where one might find out?
I seem to hear and read a lot things where obscure name Institutes are constantly supplying commentary or representatives, particularly to mobs like the ABC. They don’t sound like research institutes as you might find affiliated with an educational facility.
Is it just me or do some of these sound like one person bands (!) who pony up an Institute name for some kind of associated credibility and indirect obfuscation?
What’s the criteria?
Is there any criteria?
Can we all call ourselves representatives of Institutes?
I know the more famous and respectable one is the Sydney Institute, been around for donkey’s years, Gerard Henderson, and long may he reign. (I would hate to be the subject of his literary attention)
It seems to be the habit now, if you want your source or guests to be more impressive than Joe Bloe, consultant, you have Joe Bloe from the Far Kurnell Institute, expounding gems of wisdom.
I know, I posted this a few times before.
We’re in the top three or four gas exporters and the top coal exporter in the world. We could be short of energy causing blackouts.
It’s hysterically funny actually.
No it’s not, you lying obese idiot. The biggest shit show or at least the big clown show is always California. Texas ended up fucking themselves because they placed a ceiling on short term pricing when sudden demand causes a spike.
The Nation is bankrupt and our industrial sector hollowed out by avaricious plutocrats who have amassed obscene levels of wealth and influence.
Australian industry right now has zero barrel hammer forging machines, probably 15 WWII era Pratt and Whitney deep hole drills, probably around 20 button rifling machines, 10 cut rifling machines and maybe 5 sine bar cut rifling machines. There are probably about 5 people in Australia who have the know how and machinery to grind the tooling for these machines.
Some time ago ADI contacted a mate trying to track down deep hole drills that they had sold off a decade prior. Their barrel hammer forging machine had chucked a wobbly and they had gone through their auction records to try and track down their old machinery.
Australia has less domestic firearm manufacturing capacity than Hawaii.
my gawd you’re a fool
they have their version of the same … they just reached the logical destination before we did.
only a fool* would believe that we aren’t in the same boat going the same place
* or j’ism grad who failed all econ, science, and eng
Ok
I’ve checked with the dealer and in an emergency the generator I’m getting can run on Woodstock, apparently no adjustments necessary.
except for JC whose mansion prolly needs its own nuclear reactor
From memory he’s running one of those Lockheed Martin Compact Reactors. Why he’s not worried about buying a Tesla.
there’s a Woodstock Zero?
sugar free, surely?
Top and tailing.
Did that when the river cruise ship’s water system went buggarup back in 2007 just outside Nuremberg. Complimentary water from the fridge is cold! 🙂
Others just grumbled and went stinky. It helps to have lived in the third world without instant water and the electricity to pump it through the taps.
I think the biggest problem with the Texas blackout was gas lines freezing up (because of global warming) and many gas generators having to go offline at a critical time.
No wind or solar because they were already frozen (because of global warming) and useless, grid dropped to 59.4hrtz and nearly everything had to be dropped very quickly to avoid total blackout.
I’ve checked with the dealer and in an emergency the generator I’m getting can run on Woodstock, apparently no adjustments necessary.
Starting to think that Dover needs to put up some “Surviving The Australian Clusterfuck” threads. One on Generators would be a starter. I’ll volunteer to help out with the “Using your neighbours KIA to build a machine shop from scratch.” thread.
Peasant’s!
PPS
Susso is short for Sustenance … ie the dole
In pox news.
As Monkeypox Cases Cross 1600, WHO To Assess Whether It Is a Global Emergency (15 Jun)
Also in pox news.
UK Health Agency: 99% Of Monkeypox Cases Are Gay Men (15 Jun)
No wonder they want to rename the pox.
World Health Organisation set to rename monkeypox to reduce stigmatisation and racism (15 Jun)
All this is amusing in a horrible fascist sort of way.
Someone left this at Scott “Fartquar” twitter page. One the Bobbsey co-founders of Atlassian.
They advise using that only in summer months.
MatrixTransformsays:
June 15, 2022 at 5:06 pm
Been thinking about getting a generator for home, can anyone tell me how many kva I need to run a house?
here’s my test
Gas or diesel generator?
hmm … pancetta
A fucking troll and arse clown of the highest order.
Was in the gym earlier (google it m0nty), one of the TV’s had their ABC on. The glee on the decrepit old bints face as she reels off socialist triumphs; Stock market crashes, Inflation to hit 7%, blackouts over east, food shortages, energy market collapse, shut down coal mines, Ukraine war is great, none of this is Bidens fault……. a lefty wankfest
Doing it is bad enough. Admitting it in public is something else.
Now he reckons he’ll be a “constructive voice” on climate. Whatever that means.
Which brings me to a rear view of a charming Tesla exiting the shops this afternoon.
How soon will it be that, while everyday Aussies are struggling for power for cooking, heating and lighting, the owners of “free” electrickery let them eat cake EVs are targeted for a little percussive therapy?
And they can’t be parked inside…because explodey batteries.
When reality hits Magic Dust.
dunno
I’m not convinced that we will even have gas if we hit 100% buggarup
but could work on bottles I suppose
diesel goes off and as rick pointed out, the fuel is variable in quality
petrol goes off too
dunno
think I’ll go petrol cos its cheap, quiet and ubiquitous
Gasifier.
I’m not convinced that we will even have gas if we hit 100% buggarup
but could work on bottles I suppose
I’m on bottles now. I’m going to ramp up the panels plus a battery plus a generator. The neighbours have inground gas reservoirs so I’ll look at that.
This is fucked. Heads need to roll. Still cannon-brookes is coming to the rescue:
Tech billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes says Australia has itself to blame for the current energy crisis.
“At some point we have to admit we have made this problem ourselves,” he told a business summit on Wednesday.
“We got into this with 10-plus years of inaction.”
He said the cause is simple – not enough renewable energy in the grid, broken generators, and coal and gas are very expensive .
Does it hurt when you step on rakes this hard?
Matrix: Re induction stovetops. Are they are electricity hungry as I’m led to believe they are?
Remember, as the lights go out in Viccostan, that whirring noise you hear is John Monash doing 3600 subterranean rpm.
We need his type again. Sadly it took a world war to fashion him.
Tucker Carlson: Biden has made things a lot worse
Correct
Incorrect.
Susso was a voucher for various items to be redeemed at the local store.
Issued fortnitely at a Police Station, the recipient couldn’t claim it twice in the same town.
m0ntysays:
June 15, 2022 at 5:13 pm
Yes, they were purchased at very reasonable prices in the 90s. NSW tried to sell theirs around 2005 and they could only get a couple of nickels as the threats were becoming quite real. There were no threats in the 90s and the idea miserable fucking morons like the greens and yourself would be trying to close them down every day wasn’t contemplated.
So you’re saying it’s Jeff Kennett’s fault. Fair enough.
You narrow minded parochial nitwit, what did Jeff Kennett have to do with the Liars government in NSW?
monty-fa
At least we’ve got an AEMO to bring some semblance of order to a SNAFU.
ROFLMAO. A bunch of lawyers and yartz graduates, who couldn’t even spell “electrical engineering”, much less understand it.
The only thing worse would be a graduate in j’isming. Oh wait, that’s who is praising them!
Vicco are offering rebates on batteries
however, there’s an income threshold on getting the rebate
also if you already got a rebate for something else, I think yr disqualified.
I checked out batteries too
real cost is about $2 per Wh
the reality with batteries is that you need the sun shining for extended periods to produce enough energy to fill the buggers so that means realistically theyre only good from say november to march.
still, if you’re living off you own stored electro-watts then you aren’t paying retail prices for at least part of half the year.
my aim is to take the data I gather and try to make a case for risking an expensive bomb being attached to the wall outside my house.
gut feeling at this point says touch and go as to whether or not it stacks up.
depends on how much future energy costs
and whether or not sinking $15k now will be worth it later
That is kind of my point, Matrix.
Texas and Australia, both ruled for too long by complacent and corrupt conservative politicians who flogged off public assets to their corporate maaaates and do nothing to prevent blatant blackmail by rentseekers defending their bloated profit margins. Capitalism!
At least in Australia we get a Labor government to clean things up occasionally. No such luck in Texas in recent decades.
Do just your under-arms and crutch and that was it.
Known as an APC – armpits and crutch.
It’s the equivalent of a policy induced sand shortage in the Sahara desert.
mUnty really firing those Liar talking points today.
That is kind of my point, Matrix.
Texas and Australia, both ruled for too long by complacent and corrupt conservative politicians who flogged off public assets to their corporate maaaates and do nothing to prevent blatant blackmail by rentseekers defending their bloated profit margins. Capitalism!
At least in Australia we get a Labor government to clean things up occasionally. No such luck in Texas in recent decades.
Note that monty-fa completely ignores the (far worse, extending also to water supply) California (DemonRat) clusterfuck. No bias, no agenda.
NBN 9 describing the basic wage decision as ‘payday’. More like ‘pay up’ day.
Can anyone tell me if I can get a gas log heater with fan and electrical ignition to work without electricity and without snuffing people or blowing up house? Genuine question.
yeah but, nah
if your cook-ware is induction happy (ie used cast-iron you mongs) then nearly all the energy goes straight into the pan.
you dont have to wait for the element and stuff to get hot and of course, after cooking it doesnt stay hot and then give that energy up to the atmosphere.
so yeah, power-wise it’s high current but time-wise it’s much faster and targeted.
I love it … nearly as good as gas
missus hates it
Usually when demand goes up for something, further production is encouraged and prices come down.
In the case of energy, demand has gone up and production has gone down.
Blind freddy (including Slomo and Elbow) could have seen this coming and you have to ask if deliberate.
“Turn stuff off to avoid blackouts”
I hear this and think, “I better warm everything up so that I’m cosy when the blackout hits.”
Kennett is a genius. He raised billions on assets that today are worthless. My old boss did a consulting job for Telstra that recommended privatising the Yellow Pages around the same time. You couldn’t give it away now.
j’ismist is begging the question again
The decisions they arrive at make more sense when you think of it that way.
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yes … but would be much better with a fan
Rowan Dean standing in for Credlin gave a good serve to the green/teal/kean mob over electricity.
Didn’t miss governments of all persuasions either for their failures and bowing to the green mantra over 20 years.
At least in Australia we get a Labor government to clean things up occasionally.
Fat boy shitting out his mouth. The thing is this crap is de rigour amongst the greenie cult. Rowan Dean very good tonight, taking the place of Credlin, in describing the cultish nature of alarmism which has no science but merely gospel like failed predictions, there will be no more snow, virtue signalling egos and ideological agendas.
This shit is going to get worse, much worse, with useful idiots like fat boy and scrunchie kunts like cannon-brookes on the prowl.
Fark me the socialists are out in force today!
Calling for the nationalisation of power via reneweballs*. Apparently, this crisis is evidence “that capitalism has failed**.”
*Such a move would still take us beyond 2050.
**Capitalism in the energy market is where government makes the cheapest and most widely available fuels the hardest to get exploration, drilling, digging, mining, selling licenses for while ensuring that consumers are tarriffed at every electric socket for killing the planet while putting taxpayers’ dollars into new “solutions” that just don’t work.
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
June 15, 2022 at 4:53 pm
Sorry, but your previous posts gave every indication that you did.
m0ntysays:
June 15, 2022 at 5:13 pm
Yes, they were purchased at very reasonable prices in the 90s. NSW tried to sell theirs around 2005 and they could only get a couple of nickels as the threats were becoming quite real. There were no threats in the 90s and the idea miserable fucking morons like the greens and yourself would be trying to close them down every day wasn’t contemplated.
So you’re saying it’s Jeff Kennett’s fault. Fair enough.
Poor old illiterate zero comprehension m0nty beclowns himself again.
It’s been explained with crystal clarity that the privatised system worked extremely well for a number of years till the green leftists succeeded in introducing “renewables” and the regulatory regime necessary for the renewable spivs to rake it in, and only after that did we start to get the macro-fuckups we’re seeing now.
But poor old shiteating m0nty is just too stupid to understand.
For the last fifteen years, I’ve been researching a wide range of subjects. Full-time for the last seven years. I’ve traveled the world to interview intellectuals for my podcast, but most of my research has been in private. After careful examination, I have come to the conclusion that we’ve been living in a dark age since at least the early 20th century.
Our present dark age encompasses all domains, from philosophy to political theory, to biology, statistics, psychology, medicine, physics, and even the sacred domain of mathematics. Low-quality ideas have become common knowledge, situated within fuzzy paradigms. Innumerable ideas which are assumed to be rigorous are often embarrassingly wrong and utilize concepts that an intelligent teenager could recognize as dubious. For example, the Copenhagen interpretation in physics is not only wrong, it’s aggressively irrational—enough to damn its supporters throughout the 20th century.
Whether it’s the Copenhagen interpretation, Cantor’s diagonal argument, or modern medical practices, the story looks the same: shockingly bad ideas become orthodoxy, and once established, the social and psychological costs of questioning the orthodoxy are sufficiently high to dissuade most people from re-examination.
This article is the first of an indefinite series that will examine the breadth and depth of our present dark age. For years, I have been planning on writing a book on this topic, but the more I study, the more examples I find. The scandals have become a never-ending list. So, rather than indefinitely accumulate more information, I’ve decided to start writing now.
and the top coal exporter in the world.
Not quite.
Indonesia is number one exporter.
I love the way Cohenite uses technical jargon in a way that makes the message accessible to the layman
Unlike Monty and his fellow adolescent socialist shills, when I apportion blame for this current energy fiasco, I don’t just reserve my scorn for the left. I also blame the weak, spineless, cretinous Liberals and Nationals who’ve governed us federally for the last nine years and here in New South Wales, have governed us since 2011. For decades, the right in this country, Liberals and Nationals, did nothing to curb this lunacy, instead they have either fed the lunacy or worse, they’ve fled from confronting the lunacy.
I’ll just quote Chris Kenny from tonight’s Kenny Report…..
“The reason we have an energy crisis is because we’ve had deliberate policies, both state and federal, both Labor and Liberal , aimed at driving out of the energy market the energy supplies that are dispatchable, that is coal and gas generators that provide energy when we need it and we have replaced reliable energy this with unreliable intermittent power that’s there sometimes and not there at other times and more than often is not there when we most need it.”
I think that sums it up very well.
Quite frankly, the whole thing is a disgrace, fueled by ideological nonsense, progressive cultish hysteria about saving the “planet” and lies, lies and more lies.
Which State Governments (one of which you reside in, Fat Man) detonated their last coal-fired power stations in recent years?
And why is it we did not see a renationalisation of critical baseline generation capacity under Kevni and Julia? I seem to recall a lot of Albospeak about GoLd-PlAtEd transmission and distribution capacity under their 2 terms of power, but the instigation and acceleration of the policies that have led us to today.
Fatboy, the policy difference between Libs and the Liars was that the Liars thought carbon free 2050 was too slow, you fat useless donut eating idiot. In other words they would have caused this mess too.
Leave Texas out of this discussion.
Get back in the basement right now.
And to prove we live in a manipulated world (so you can’t {entirely} blame morons like Fat Man Fat “Boy” Head) do the following:
-Do a google image search for Tony Abbott: Result: Lots of scowns, onions and budgies;
-Do a google image search for Kamala: Lots of smiles, rainbows and unicorns.
My latest search “irregularity:”
-Do a google word search for: what’s can’t renewable energy do
The top responses from google:
Advantages of Renewable Energy
Fuck me.
Gabor says: June 15, 2022 at 6:18 pm
Sorry. You misread & made assumptions. Incorrect assumptions.
Sorry.
Money deposited in the bank is evaporating, China’s financial crisis is approaching…
China Insights
A growing number of Chinese people now feel that it is getting harder to get cash out of their banks.
The Chinese possess the spirit of not fearing hardship and enduring it. But the current situation is breaking their bottom line. That is, their money in the bank is gone, and it’s not a small amount.
The Chinese banks have taken these measures without informing the public in advance. Many people in China, even if they are slow to notice, are already aware that a debt crisis and a financial crisis is coming.
I should also just like to say that….yes, if there’s a way to stop power being fed into Teal, Green and inner-city Labor seats, bring it on.
yep …
not to detract from your valuable work but I may have been guilty of saying exactly that as early as prolly 2008.
consider yourself bookmarked mate
The ideology of AGW.
AGW has nothing to do with not having 2 or 3 times the number of interconnectors.
The lack of dam building over the past 50 years has more to do with NIMBYism than AGW too.
That worked well. /sarc
Rowan Dean is a dumb person’s idea of a smart person. No wonder he’s popular on here.
Again, on energy, j’ismists worse than useless allowing politicians to say and do anything.
And money; in fact, mainly money.
The ideological stuff is just marketing.
Indonesia is number one exporter.
By weight not by quality and energy capacity.
No. As Matrix quite rightly points out, there are a lot of parallels to be drawn.
Let’s see how Albo goes managing the situation vs Gov Abbott. It will be a good test of the respective approaches.
Too right Roger. Green washing far more effective than white washing. Even Twiggy not subjected to means testing.
So energy must be plentiful and cheap in California.
And money; in fact, mainly money.
Definitely.
Big land mass.
Small population.
Choke points built into the grid.
It’s too good of a set up not to grift.
Plus Eleventy.
Just as the English and Americans are now owning the crisis of 40+ years of crap policy by money-grubbing leftists and rightists and their activist string-pullers alike, it is our turn too.
Hearing that AEMO dumped their spot-pricing business on the spot today after 2 days of South African-style load shedding in NSW and QLD gives me hope for the future. It won’t be a fun time, but we will get back to a position of sensibility before long.
Popular (i.e. non-Greenwit) Left and Right parties alike will understand after this week, that you will never be permitted to govern a people who know you can’t even provide the basics of life (power, water, security, food, ability to make money) to let them live in a degree of comfortable complacency any more.
And as a follow-up to Uncle Marx over here in Sandgroperstan promising a final coal power phase-out in 2030 yesterday, expect to see a quiet increase in the mandated percentage (currently ~15% or so) of Natural Gas production in this State being directed to domestic consumption (i.e. baseload generation), and that coal deadline probably developing another sudden case of political rubberiness if and when there is any pushback by our 2 key customers Japan and China.
China in Focus – NTD
01:01 NEARLY 150 CHINESE COMPANIES FACE DELISTING IN U.S.
02:45 NIKE TO SHUT DOWN RUN CLUB APP IN CHINA
04:45 VIDEO OF BRUTAL ATTACK IGNITES NATIONWIDE UPROAR
08:11 SHANGHAI BUSINESS OWNERS PROTEST VIRUS RESTRICTIONS
08:48 SWATHS OF BEIJING PROTESTORS CALL TO LIFT BANS
10:26 HONG KONG: GOV’T ENG TEACHERS MUST TAKE OATH
So what’s wrong with Cantor’s diagonal argument then?
Speaking with a trader at an investment bank this evening, they are in head scratching mode.
How do you honour derivatives contracts when the regulator is setting prices & volumes & recipients.
The choke points causing massive vulnerability in the grid is that they keep shutting down coal plants and not replacing with gas. In Victoria, land based gas extraction is banned.
This is too insane to even speak about. It’s insanity.
Are you able to provide Australia one of the coldest Texan winters on record, freezing water condensate in gas supply pipelines and provoking ruptures?
We do need to control for all the variables for your experiment to work correctly, Fat Man…
Just out of interest what happens when AEMO walks away from operating the spot market?
What derivatives are being sold in the energy sector, Bern?
Presumably you walk down George St with a cheque holding a handwritten sign of the counterparty.
j’ismist putting words in other people’s mouths
JC, electricity trading & hedging is a decent business here in Oz.
Not a patch on the US, but still.
Breaking news:
Origin & AGL setting up Onlyfans accounts to pay for expected shortfalls.
So they do Swaps, plain vanilla options as well as exotic options?
Just asking as I don’t know.
Surprise!
Zipster rocks …
All the renewable fly-by-nights go rushing to Albo for handouts. Assuming they’re still solvent by Monday…
If SloMo didn’t hold the hose, let’s hope Albo holds the plug.
Don’t know the strategies here in Oz JC.
But when Texas froze, Macquarie grossed $US300mill.
God bless the doughnut.
You mean the risk of this wasn’t factored into financial instruments whose purpose is to manage risk?
Shortages and gluts can’t be worked with the market according to this fucking moron . Efficient allocation through the price mechanism doesn’t work. We need a Soviet model according to this mental giant.
lol. Of course. Corps have never been known to satifisy demand in any sector. Only government has been known to achieve that goal. You only have to look at Russia to see the sucess.
Sure we do. Sure.
A Commonwealth Power Bank!
I wonder how many would be claiming this is a case of force majeure.
One for the lawyers to try on.
Translation:
Rowan Dean has exposed some left-wing malfeasance, & done it in a manner that cannot be argued against.
A $2 billion water desal plant ended up costing Victoria over $5 billion. The Westgate tunnel is the most expensive tunnel in world history. Yep, lets get the government to build an inefficient power supply. It makes lots of sense.
Will AEMO announce who was sold what volume & at what time/price?
As shitty as the power market is, you know there is a mechanism in place.
When the regulator is doing it, what’s the mechanism?
It would have to be specified in the contract.
To meet the renewables target the ALP took to the election, Australia need approx. $100bill of battery storage built every year for the next 10 years.
Zipstersays:
June 15, 2022 at 6:19 pm
Thanks Zippy. I’ve only so far looked at the first one and the infinity/calculus one, but I fully intend to read further as you progress with your “indefinite” (not “infinite”) series.
How many contracts are going to say the regulator is going to step in & run the show?
Time will tell.
And at $3.2b, those French subs are the most expensive naval vessels never built.
Nothing. Zipster left out the quotes, so I thought we were getting his thoughts. So I checked the link, and it’s just some pretentious wanker who has googled some maths and physics.
He’s right that things have been falling apart, but they were going ok until the sixties. Cantor and Copenhagen go back much earlier. Cantor into the nineteenth century.
I guess dover would blame the enlightenment for our woes. I blame German and French philosophers. Especially Karl Marx.
Sounds about right. Electricity costs about $12,000 p.a. per household.
So it begins
Rowan Dean is a dumb person’s idea of a smart person. No wonder he’s popular on here.
Fatboy once again proves the maxim that the left describe others having their faults and shitty qualities and that problems caused by lefties were caused by others. Basically the truth is the opposite of what the left says.
green beans … $38/kg
bugs … free
Rowan Dean is a fuckwit’s idea of a dumb person’s idea of a smart person
The power was there in the NEL, so it was always a possibility to be considered.
Sorry, forgot the link.
The Plan – New World Order Australia – Jeremy Lee 1991