Open Thread – Wed 13 July 2022


Sacred Allegory, Giovanni Bellini, c. 1490–1500

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johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 11:33 am

Does the evil old turd really believe this?Pope Francis: Climate Change Has Become an ‘Emergency’

What strikes me is how, almost every day, we get treated to some sort of political comment. Not just climate, but also Ukraine war, eating meat is bad, stop being mean to illegal immigrants, yada yada – the whole left wing playbook.

I dimly recall when Popes stuck to their knitting, doing Pope-ish stuff like talking up and otherwise supporting the Catholic Church and the faith and the faithful.

This guy and his claque seem to think that he is a sort of latter day Henry Kissinger. He certainly illustrates the concept of crawling inside the skin of a previously respected institution and using it to further leftist objectives.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
July 15, 2022 11:38 am

Galileo was unavailable for comment.

Copernicus and Galileo now have full time jobs at the Pearly Gates.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 11:40 am

Ad much as pell.’s desishion not to sue is. It’s his alone. Do your own crusading.

Dot
Dot
July 15, 2022 11:42 am

Dot, I am sad that you have such a jaundiced view of marriage. I don’t know whether it’s from personal experience or by observing friends and relatives.

Watch the Tomi Lahren “men are trash” rant.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 11:45 am

I dimly recall when Popes stuck to their knitting, doing Pope-ish stuff like talking up and otherwise supporting the Catholic Church and the faith and the faithful

When was that?

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 11:47 am

in the US saying about a location where she grew up, which had a demographic shift, go robbing every day and the stores all leave, then locals claim they are the victims of racist discrimination.

Spent quite a bit of time in the USA and with their people, including commanding a US team in a war, and thought I got to know them pretty well. But understanding their race issues takes some doing.

An American bloke I worked with who had been to Australia, eventually commented quietly one day, that Australia had about 1/30th of the problems they had with black/white relations. And most of theirs were “put-up jobs” caused by troublemakers.

johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 11:49 am

The CEO of Starbucks is doing the right thing by staff, good for him.

That would be the same CEO who, a few years ago, directed all franchisees to allow street people and junkies to use the toilets (to shoot up), becos ‘discrimination’ and ‘racism.’

Turns out not to have been such a great idea. Who’d a thunk it?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 15, 2022 11:54 am

I dimly recall when Popes stuck to their knitting
And I remember JP2 kicking heads. Great days.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 15, 2022 11:58 am
rickw
rickw
July 15, 2022 11:59 am

We are being softened up for a foot and mouth outbreak. This is what the WEF wants. We are supposed to eat only vegetables and insects. Slaughtering our herds is high on their agenda.

My advice to my sister was to sell her livestock as soon as it becomes ready for market and to think carefully before buying replacements.

The drones in Canberra are going to have the biggest hard-on over decreeing the destruction of farmers livestock. They will fucking love it.

Farmers considering shooting themselves are encouraged to consider alternative options which involve shooting.

Delta A
Delta A
July 15, 2022 12:01 pm

Top Ender, to answer your question about the solar set up for the house, Daughter just texted the following:
14.43kw System
39 Canadian Solar 370W mon (BLK) panels
Fronius SYMO Gen 24 Hybrid Inverter
Fronius Smart Meter
8.28kwh of BYD HMV Batteries (3 batteries but ended up with 4)
$22490 installed (includes $1,600 subsudy for batteries.)
Also includes monitoring of the system.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 12:02 pm

Update on Ohio:

Jorge Bonilla
@BonillaJL
WATCH: The mother of the Ohio 10/y rape victim tells Telemundo’s @MariaVargasPion that the child “is fine”, and “everything they say about (Gerson Flores) is a lie.”

Read the thread. The mother is defending the accused. This case smells like week old fish.

The circumstances around the rape are tragically common. Also, there is on average one abortion per week in Ohio of a girl 15 or under. Ohio’s population is 11.6 million.

Those further details don’t change the basic facts of the matter, which remain unchallenged despite you lot saying for days that it was all fake.

miltonf
miltonf
July 15, 2022 12:03 pm

The drones in Canberra are going to have the biggest hard-on over decreeing the destruction of farmers livestock. They will fucking love it.

yes- look what they’ve done to irrigation- pubic serpent destructive parasites. If a big hole opened up under canbra Australia would be better place. Loathsome vile parasite robber state.

sfw
sfw
July 15, 2022 12:09 pm

TE – “Australia had about 1/30th of the problems they had with black/white relations”

True, I often wonder if our pollies looked at the US and thought “That looks good let’s have some of it here, where can we get some?”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 15, 2022 12:09 pm

Rogersays:

July 15, 2022 at 9:40 am

There are only 4 words in the English language which end in “dous”: tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous

Jeopardous.

Traitoriodous?

sfw
sfw
July 15, 2022 12:12 pm

apodous
hazardous
horrendous
iodous
iridous
jeopardous
macropodous
molybdous
palladous
phyllocladous
podous
stupendous
tremendous
vanadous

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 12:17 pm

What’s next Tim, the Spanish inquisition?

It may help the Church to focus on core business.

johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 12:17 pm

Dover, I’m not saying that Popes should be silent on matters outside their religious role, nor that they have been.

I’m saying that this Pope sends out almost daily missives on political matters, usually not even thinly cloaked in theology, straight off the left wing playbook. The Popes in my lifetime that I respect had a primary focus on their religious duties. I didn’t agree with them about a lot of things, but they were straight shooters for their beliefs. Also, we didn’t hear from them almost every day about political issues well beyond their purview.

Meanwhile, he is stacking the Vatican and every other appointment he controls with his followers.

If you care about the future of your Church, better be fighting those forces than having a shot at me.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 12:21 pm

Delta do you have in slab heating, e.g. hydronic or pebble bed mass?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 12:22 pm

m0nty-fa

Those further details don’t change the basic facts of the matter, which remain unchallenged despite you lot saying for days that it was all fake.

Including the “basic fact”, which remains unchallenged, that the girl could have got an abortion in Ohio, under current law there, despite the gross use of her case to construct a “narrative” to the contrary by you and your sleazy ilk.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 15, 2022 12:24 pm

iodous
iridous
molybdous
palladous
vanadous

But not goldous or leadous.
They’re aurous and plumbous.
The English language is fun!

(For those interested in arcanery the “ous” usually means valence state +2.)

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 12:26 pm

gross = grotesque.

mc
mc
July 15, 2022 12:35 pm

RickW

My advice to my sister was to sell her livestock as soon as it becomes ready for market and to think carefully before buying replacements.

In the last outbreak in the UK, most animals were not slaughtered because of the disease but because it was not financially viable to feed them. With 70% destined for export markets it will probably be like that here. I would suggest that she looks at insurance options.

Old bloke
Old bloke
July 15, 2022 12:37 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
July 14, 2022 at 1:32 pm

Worst case scenarios usually don’t happen, Old Bloke, and I take some comfort from that thought. You certainly paint a fairly compelling scenario for the ultimate end of the West.

Sometimes things can get pretty rough, and I guess that’s what you are speculating about. Polities though do have a way of reshaping themselves in order to save themselves.

I think that the issues we’re facing can’t be fixed through political means. The situation in my view relates to promises made a long time ago not kept, i.e., a broken covenant.

You posted a while ago about your plans to revisit Sri Lanka, I suppose that’s on the back-burner now with their upheavals. What a poor benighted country that is, so many years of strife from a civil war, and now in ruin due to mismanagement.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 12:42 pm

Looking very much more to this story on the 10yo and abortion laws. I had my say a couple of weeks ago on the subject of terminating the unborn and leave that there.

Re this case though. What concerns me is how many of these happen? Like Rotherham or even Telford are there eyes being turned the other way by authorities again because it isn’t convenient? How many doctors are not reporting these things or even organisations like Planned Parenthood even thou required by statute? So many questions and prying minds want to know.

Ace of Spades compilation, warning covers unpleasant ground:

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=400025

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 12:47 pm

Thanks Delta – interesting.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 15, 2022 12:47 pm

The Feds Pile Up Vaccine ‘Adverse Event’ Reports as They Decry Scaremongering Elsewhere

By Clayton Fox, RealClearInvestigations
July 14, 2022

Since the Food and Drug Administration authorized the first vaccines for COVID-19 in late 2020, the government and much of the media have insisted that the medicines developed in record time are safe and effective. Those who raised questions about them have been routinely dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

And yet an online database co-administered by the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control has compiled more than 1.3 million reports of vaccine-implicated “adverse events” running the gamut from mild to severe, including 29,000 deaths.

Representative entries include:

. A 44-year-old male from California with a blood clot in the brain (CVST) five days after receiving Pfizer vaccine, dose unknown.
. A 31-year-old female from Pennsylvania with heart inflammation (myocarditis) two days after receiving Moderna’s booster.
. A 58-year-old female from California with blood clots in legs (DVT) after receiving Johnson & Johnson booster. She reported:

These reports are not anecdotes from “anti-vaxxers” on the dark web. They come from the federal government’s open-source log, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It allows anyone to go online and report a bad reaction that could be linked to any vaccine, including those for COVID-19. (RealClearInvestigations has linked above to VAERS reports posted at Openvaers.com, an independently run and easier to navigate database that copies reports verbatim from the CDC’s less user-friendly “WONDER” system.)

While the reports are unfiltered and unexamined, the idea is that such public input will allow researchers to identify potential problems. But the sheer number of reports, and their specificity, have the attention of concerned scientists and even some politicians like Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who has invited people harmed by vaccines to testify before Congress and advocates compensation for them.

Old bloke
Old bloke
July 15, 2022 12:53 pm

Wally Dalí says:
July 14, 2022 at 11:21 pm

So I figure with mawkish selfies, look-at-moi sentiments and carbons appeasement, then the Great Reset Lizard People might not actually come gunning for my family’s inheritance.

There’s too much nitrogen in your soil Wally so we’re going to take your farm away. Any attempt to block this action will result in the removal of your family jewels along with your family inheritance.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 12:57 pm

Re this case though. What concerns me is how many of these happen? Like Rotherham or even Telford are there eyes being turned the other way by authorities again because it isn’t convenient? How many doctors are not reporting these things or even organisations like Planned Parenthood even thou required by statute? So many questions and prying minds want to know.

Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of Dobbs.

You lot are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 1:01 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
July 15, 2022 at 12:26 pm
gross = grotesque.

Looked in the dictionary, 2, munty;

Delta A
Delta A
July 15, 2022 1:12 pm

do you have in slab heating, e.g. hydronic or pebble bed mass?

GreyRanga, it wasn’t practical for us since we all have different heating preferences. We have three split systems – one for each oldies’ rooms – and a combustion heater (with a guaranteed free wood supply) for the open plan kitchen/dining/living rooms. Also three gas continuous flow hot water systems.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 1:12 pm

There is no ‘barbaric effect’ of Dobbs you baby killing loving excuse for a human being.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 1:15 pm

LOL Monty had my say a couple weeks ago had your chance then, bye.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 1:17 pm

I greatly welcomed Pope Francis’s comments on the Ukraine, especially when he called Kirili a Putin choir boy.
Christians are dying in the Ukraine, many of whom are Catholic.
Condemning war and the killing of innocents is exactly what I expect of a Pope.
I think he’s wrong about the climate changy, he is after all, a human being.
As Cardinal Pell pointed out when Laudato Si was released, the science can change.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 15, 2022 1:25 pm

“sfwsays:
July 15, 2022 at 8:25 am
Failure of a PM continues to roam the world at our expense, picks up a souvenir on the trip. Where to next Tony?

Tell us, sfw.
Do you have or did you have any residual benefits post active employment?
Superannuation?
Benefit cards?
“Use up my sickie entitlement”?

I’m still eating the shit sandwich you served me when you told me to ‘take one for the team’.

Tiny bit drama queen-ish. What precisely is the practical nature of your 18c shit sandwich?

Cassie of Sydney
July 15, 2022 1:26 pm

“Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of Dobbs.

You lot are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.”

Speaking of the barbarity of what has and IS happening in English towns such as Telford, Oxford, Rotherham, I note your silence on this topic or is that silence because you think that the perpetrators who preyed and are preying on young white working class English girls have, oh gosh, what were those quaint words you once used……ah yes…..”legitimate grievances”?

The only person here who is guilty of intellectual dishonesty is you, every fucking day you’re here.

johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 1:29 pm

A couple of things about the 10 year old rape victim story.

Firstly, it seems that the Governor was set up – he made inquiries and was told (wrongly) that there was nothing to see here.

Secondly, the mother was clearly complicit – the perp was probably her boyfriend, and she either protected him or was pimping out her daughter, or both.

Thirdly, that helps to make sense of taking this poor child across State lines. If she had presented at a hospital or clinic within the State, questions would have been asked. In another State, it would be much easier to make up a story.

What an unsavoury episode. As I have said before, I don’t support criminalising abortion, but this is typical of the bottom-feeders’ tactics.

I hope that little girl is taken away from her ‘mother’ pronto.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 1:32 pm

LOL. The putative ‘barbaric effect’ of Dobbs was someone travelling interstate for an abortion.

Which, if you had your way, would be illegal and result in the gaoling of the 10-year-old girl and anyone who helped her.

BTW, the facts of this case indicate the reasons for the delay in the reporting the crime, the delay in seeking an abortion, and so on. Facts that Monty and his ilk are exploiting for political purposes.

Minors getting abortions happens every week in Ohio, and no doubt in other red states. It used to be routine, as befits a compassionate society. Now, due to Dobbs and the psychos behind it, that practice will increasingly be banned and those who try to help the victims will be gaoled. These little girls will have nobody to defend them.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 1:37 pm

I just noticed I reported someone unintentionally when scrolling a while back. Dover knows what I report.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 1:41 pm

m0ntysays:
July 15, 2022 at 12:02 pm
Update on Ohio:

The circumstances around the rape are tragically common. Also, there is on average one abortion per week in Ohio of a girl 15 or under. Ohio’s population is 11.6 million.

Those further details don’t change the basic facts of the matter, which remain unchallenged despite you lot saying for days that it was all fake.

Poor old mentally defective shiteating m0nty.

For days a number of us here were saying that it was very probably either fake or a beatup. Not that it was fake.
Poor old shit for brains m0nty is too stupid to understand the concept of there being more than binary alternatives. He can’t mentally cope with the concept that if we don’t instantly swallow the whole story, that doesn’t mean we’re saying that it’s certain to be fake.

He’s desperately trying to sustain his erection over the whole thing.
Like when the first newspaper article referred expressly to a six week hard date abortion law (wrong) and a six week three day pregnancy, and failed to refer to the danger to the mother exception. M0nty was adamant that his psychic powers enabled him to know that the Ohio doctor was fully aware of the actual Ohio law based on a foetal heartbeat test and danger to the mother exception (despite 0.00000 recurring to infinity mention of either of those in the story), and that the newspaper reporter had got it wrong, and therefore the newspaper story supported m0nty’s assertion that it wasn’t a beatup.

Yes, that’s right. M0nty’s saying “the newspaper story says X, but I think what really happened was Y, so that means that the newspaper story is evidence of Y”.
The fat dissembling idiot.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 1:42 pm

Speaking of the barbarity of what has and IS happening in English towns such as Telford, Oxford, Rotherham, I note your silence on this topic or is that silence because you think that the perpetrators who preyed and are preying on young white working class English girls have, oh gosh, what were those quaint words you once used……ah yes…..”legitimate grievances”?

The only person here who is guilty of intellectual dishonesty is you, every fucking day you’re here.

Whataboutism is a classic example of intellectual dishonesty. Hoist with your own petard, Cassie.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 1:42 pm

Delta we put in continuous gas water heating in our beach house. Combined gas and electricity is half what it was. The advantage of in slab heating is the temperature changes slowly and can be just background heat.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 1:45 pm

johannasays:
July 15, 2022 at 1:29 pm

A perfectly plausible explanation of the facts.
Much more so than the shambles of “fake news” about fictitious six week hard date abortion laws.

Cassie of Sydney
July 15, 2022 1:46 pm

“Whataboutism is a classic example of intellectual dishonesty. Hoist with your own petard, Cassie.”

My God you’re a cretin, morally and intellectually.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 1:46 pm

Poor old shit for brains m0nty is too stupid to understand the concept of there being more than binary alternatives.

Its not even binary for the munster, only what he says. There are no alternatives.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 1:47 pm

I hope that little girl is taken away from her ‘mother’ pronto.

+1000 Johanna. I hope someone follows this up, especially if others are in danger as suggested.

Cassie of Sydney
July 15, 2022 1:47 pm

“johannasays:
July 15, 2022 at 1:29 pm”

Thanks Johanna, I agree with every word.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 15, 2022 1:55 pm

Why you’re likely to get reinfected with COVID-19 this winter

Australians who have recovered from COVID-19 infections are being urged to isolate and test if they show symptoms of the virus again after as little as four weeks, in updated health advice about the newly dominant BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants.

Down from 12 weeks, the latest Australian Health Protection Principal Committee advice says reinfection can occur as quickly as 28 days, because of heightened immune escape associated with the sub-variants. The evolving virus means combined antibodies from vaccines and previous infections offer limited ongoing protection.

“People who test positive to COVID-19 more than 28 days after ending isolation due to previous infection should be reported and managed as new cases,” the AHPPC said in a statement.

The previous 12-week protection window was based on the delta strain, which is a less diverse version of the virus.

“We’re urging people who have recently had COVID-19, even if they left isolation in the past four weeks, not to be complacent. If you develop symptoms again, make sure to test and isolate,” NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said this week.

“The omicron BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants are circulating widely in NSW. They are more able to evade immunity gained from previous infection and vaccination reinfection is more likely and possible just weeks after a prior infection.”

The recommended interval between a confirmed COVID-19 infection and a vaccine booster dose remains three months.

Healthdirect Australia chief medical officer Nirvana Luckraj told The Australian Financial Review anyone who has tested positive to COVID-19 should be aware they can be infectious to others.

“These variants are more able to evade the immunity previously gained from a COVID-19 infection or from vaccination, and therefore reinfection is more likely and possible, even just weeks after a prior infection,” Dr Luckraj said.

“There’s lots of information out there available to people who’ve just had COVID-19.”

Healthdirect?provides health advice online and over the phone 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Funded by the federal government, it offers tools including online risk and symptom checkers for COVID-19.

The service also operates the national COVID-19 helpline.

“Basically, if you’re still showing symptoms after 28 days from coming out of isolation, you really need to retest yourself to see if you still have COVID-19, or a new infection,” Dr Luckraj said.

“Even if you have symptoms, without having confirmed COVID-19, you should be isolating. Because there’s a lot of flu around right now as well and we are trying to keep all respiratory illnesses at bay.

“Those who have other respiratory illnesses and COVID-19 could potentially have a more severe illness such as flu and COVID-19.”

The current third wave of omicron infections is expected to peak in August in Australia. BA.4 and BA.5 are expected to continue to cause increases in new cases, reinfections and hospital admissions.

Victoria’s Health Department said on Thursday there had been an 83 per cent increase in the number of Victorians in hospital with COVID-19 over the past three weeks.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 1:59 pm

Secondly, the mother was clearly complicit – the perp was probably her boyfriend, and she either protected him or was pimping out her daughter, or both.

Thirdly, that helps to make sense of taking this poor child across State lines. If she had presented at a hospital or clinic within the State, questions would have been asked. In another State, it would be much easier to make up a story.

If so (and that seems perfectly likely) the abortionist stymied it by parlaying the episode into a beatup to protect the baby killing industry’s revenue stream, thus leading to the situation coming to light and the filthscum being arrested.
As King Theoden observed, “oft evil will shall evil mar”.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 1:59 pm

Australian Health Protection Principal Committee

Yup, not partisan or captured at all…

Members

AHPPC is comprised of all state and territory Chief Health Officers and is chaired by the Australian Chief Medical Officer.

Obviously too many exempt people out there due to prior infections.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 15, 2022 2:00 pm

Well I’m glad you finally admit you suffer from Abbott Derangement Syndrome. Pity you didn’t suffer from Palmer Derangement Syndrome because it was Fatty Clive and his puppets in the senate who helped kybosh any talk about rescinding Section 18C…in fact they were leading the charge to undermine and humiliate Tony Abbott for the whole two years Abbott was PM….in fact Palmer, at the time their ABC’s favourite (all because he was actively participating in Abbott bashing), was a disgrace in parliament and he’s gifted us the bush pig from Tassie who is impossible to get rid of.

+ 468 (which apparently is the maximum plussing allowed here).
PS. Two months on, and Fat Cloive’s video of election cheating has still not surfaced.

johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 2:02 pm

Rockdoctor, the Governor was set up, big time.

I hope he is an Old Testament type.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 2:07 pm

“Which, if you had your way, would be illegal and result in the gaoling of the 10-year-old girl and anyone who helped her.”

Another example of why Monty earns nothing but scorn and derision here.
No-one has ever suggested that there be no exemptions* where carrying a baby to term represents a risk to the life of the mother.
And what if the ten year old doesn’t wish to kill her unborn child, a possibility that doesn’t exist in the mind of the world’s Montys.
*double effect, in effect.

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 2:11 pm

I greatly welcomed Pope Francis’s comments on the Ukraine, especially when he called Kirili a Putin choir boy.

Did he use that term?

Chuckle.

Everyone knows Kirill is a representative of the Russian Deep State; used to be KGB back in the day, tasked with subverting the WCC.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 15, 2022 2:13 pm

Now, due to Dobbs and the psychos behind it, that practice will increasingly be banned and those who try to help the victims will be gaoled. These little girls will have nobody to defend them.

As the governor said, in this case the abortion would be allowed in Ohio. But even going with your ridiculous premise, think about it this way: this might bring more visibility to child trafficking and abuse and focus law enforcement and child services on dealing with the root of the problem and maybe even to, what’s the word… defend these vulnerable children where and when it matters most.

An important question I haven’t seen being asked – how did that abortion activist know about this? Was she told by a “doctor” who did the abortion? Why didn’t she nor the planned parenthood butcher refer this to law enforcement?

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 2:21 pm

I’ve said repeatedly the girl in this case should not be charged. She is likely below the age of criminal responsibility, is under the custody of her mother so would have little choice in the matter, and given recent revelations, is likely the victim of repeated abuse. Jail anyone that ‘helped’ her, we’d have to know what they’d done.

Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

She is in a terrible situation, but your policies make her life a lot worse, and it will get worse the more your policies are implemented.

Ultimately, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you want the little girl to suffer, because your policies only add to her suffering and you don’t seem to care about that.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 15, 2022 2:22 pm

I greatly welcomed Pope Francis’s comments on the Ukraine,

Did he also condemn the 8 year long terror campaign against peaceful, mostly Orthodox Christian, population of the Eastern Ukraine?

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 15, 2022 2:23 pm

Very sad. He should have leaned by now to mind his own business.

An off-duty cop has been permanently paralyzed from the waist down after being shot “dead center in the back” while helping to break up a bar fight in crime-ridden Chicago, according to prosecutors and his family.

Police confirmed Tuesday that three men had been arrested, including accused shooter Bryant Hayes, 22, who faces a slew of charges, including attempted murder.

Justen Krismantis, also 22, allegedly handed the gun to Hayes and faces the same charges. Demetrius Harrell, 28, is charged with taking the gun from Hayes and firing it down the street toward Golden and others.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 2:25 pm

Agreed Joh. He will not be up just against the pro lifer but also the open borders mob as well so until the Congress changes side I don’t see him getting anywhere regrettably.

Personally I think where he can make a difference is, those who can be proved to have not reported this inline with regulations be struck off medical registers and fined or fired as a bare minimum. Sounds like the perpetrator wasn’t even arrested till some started asking questions.

One of my family members has a friend who worked on the Rotherham case. I have heard enough about that to be concerned that there were some parallel circumstances going on here.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 15, 2022 2:29 pm

Contrary to what the WSJ is reporting, I reckon Manchin is going to fold & pass at least part of the Biden green new deal legislation.

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 2:31 pm

Did he also condemn the 8 year long terror campaign against peaceful, mostly Orthodox Christian, population of the Eastern Ukraine?

I don’t have the text of that particular statement to hand, but to his credit, Francis has elsewhere warned of viewing this conflict in simplistic, black and white terms, saying there is responsibility on both sides.

johanna
johanna
July 15, 2022 2:41 pm

Rockdoctor, I too have wondered if members of the constabulary and social workers and the rest were involved in the sexual abuse of children.

No doubt political correctness played a role, but there is plenty of evidence that pedos have social media networks that connect those with similar proclivities. Unsurprisingly, nothing like that has ever been uncovered by the slovenly, braindead and paid off ‘investigators.’

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 2:43 pm
rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 2:44 pm

I have no doubt the Pope would condemn the killing of people in the Donbass, why would anyone think he wouldn’t?

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 15, 2022 2:49 pm

Thousands of Black and Latino former teachers in New York City stand to collect more than $1 billion after the city recently stopped fighting a decadeslong discrimination lawsuit that found a licensing test was biased.

The concession by the city in recent months means around 4,700 onetime New York City teachers who were demoted or fired since 1995 because they couldn’t pass the state licensing exam can go to court to collect a piece of the funds. So far, $835 million in judgments have been awarded to more than half that group, and the city said it would set aside nearly $1.8 billion in the coming years to cover all potential claims.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 15, 2022 2:49 pm

I don’t have the text of that particular statement to hand, but to his credit, Francis has elsewhere warned of viewing this conflict in simplistic, black and white terms, saying there is responsibility on both sides.

Thanks Roger. This sounds sensible.

Winston Smith
July 15, 2022 2:50 pm

Anchor What:

How about the government admitting that Ivermectin etc are a better idea than “boosters” of the same old rubbish they foisted on us last time?

Do not mock the Ones Who Rule over us.
To even suggest fallibility is a Thought Crime.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 2:57 pm

I mentioned I was watching the series McCallum starring John Hannah the other day 5.5 out of 10, no problem with the actors but the plots were tenuous, in just about every episode one or other or all of the staff of the pathology lab were somehow directly involved in the murder, stretching the ‘what at the odds’ meme to breaking point. Perhaps it was more tolerable when aired weekly back in the day.
The 2004 two part mini suspense series ‘Amnesia’ starring Hannah, while predictable enough, was nevertheless much better.
On Prime if you have access.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 15, 2022 2:59 pm
rickw
rickw
July 15, 2022 3:12 pm

She is in a terrible situation, but your policies make her life a lot worse, and it will get worse the more your policies are implemented.

You have tunnel vision as to what represents a good outcome. Having lived life without having murdered anyone is a wonderful thing.

As mentioned previously, there is a complete lack of follow up on any of these terrible fringe cases, which indicates to me that the outcomes don’t fit either your or the media’s narrative.

rickw
rickw
July 15, 2022 3:16 pm

Just been airside, Ramp Safety Officer stationed at the gate awaiting an inbound ambulance.

Bloke I was with “I don’t know what is going on, they’re now nearly permanently stationed there waiting to escort ambulances.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 3:16 pm

m0nty-fa

Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of Dobbs.

You lot are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.

Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of late-term abortions, sex-selection abortions or “lifestyle” abortions.

You and your ilk are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 3:23 pm

Whataboutism is a classic example of intellectual dishonesty. Hoist with your own petard, Cassie.

So sez m0nty-fa, whom has been nothing but “whataboutism” since this hit the news. Whatabout the other minors? Whatabout the eeeevillll Republicans? and so on, ad infinitum.

Hoist with his own petard!

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 3:26 pm

johannasays:
July 15, 2022 at 2:02 pm
Rockdoctor, the Governor was set up, big time.

I hope he is an Old Testament type.

He now knows the state of his “Deep State”, they work for others, not the people of Ohio.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 3:27 pm

‘A Touch of Cloth’ starring Hannah is allegedly a comedy.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 3:29 pm

Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

Idiot m0nty-fa opposes compulsory reporting of child abuse. Then goes all emotional about unlikely (and unnecessary) options.
Fvckwit.

sfw
sfw
July 15, 2022 3:32 pm

After the horror and degradation of the Teutonic Peoples in WW2 they are finally regaining the cultural heights in music (plus she is much better than Miss Ellie).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsEZzgCwmI

Winston Smith
July 15, 2022 3:40 pm

132and bush:

This is all political theater (BIRM).
They won’t push too hard and Elbow will be made to look strong and decisive by denying their requests.

Undoubtably – they started this stunt with “Hawkie”.

sfw
sfw
July 15, 2022 3:42 pm

Poor Abbott, he loves me! It wasn’t his fault it was all the others. If only Fat Clive and those other horrible people hadn’t bullied and been mean to him he would’ve done everything for me that he promised to. He’ll come back to me one day from all his travels, he promised me he would, and it will be wonderful.

Vicki
Vicki
July 15, 2022 3:50 pm

Re the recommendation of the comically named Australian Health Protection Principal Committee that the vaccinated need to have another booster this winter as vax boosters have an even shorter period of protection:

when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time?

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 4:18 pm

It’s not about forgiving, sfw. It about moving forward.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 4:18 pm

The Qantas battle: What’s happened to our national airline?

Axed flights, lost luggage and sleepless nights on airport floors are just the public face of the troubles facing Qantas. Can anything – or anyone – restore the national carrier to its former glory?

The leprechaun departing? As several comments say at the link…

Bluey
Bluey
July 15, 2022 4:20 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
July 15, 2022 at 3:29 pm
Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

Idiot m0nty-fa opposes compulsory reporting of child abuse. Then goes all emotional about unlikely (and unnecessary) options.
Fvckwit.

Maybe he’s got something to hide.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 4:20 pm

Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 15, 2022 4:21 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong but I recall that Pelosi trash was refused communion by the church in San Francisco but Frankie received her in Rome. Says it all really. I recall to that he’s pretty pally with some infamous abortion activist in Italy.

shatterzzz
July 15, 2022 4:21 pm

Watched .. THE TERMINAL LIST … absolutely unbelievable! LOL! .. reminds me of SEAL TEAM on double dose steriods .. plot is ridiculous, the “heroics” leave “MARVEL’s” super-heroes lookin’ ordinary! .. LOL! ..
plus one of those where being shot/stabbed/ battered are just shrugged off as all in a day’s work .. stick a band-aid on and we’re off again .. LOL!
It is sooo bad it sux you in thru the whole 8 episodes …. hopin’ against hope for ……….?
one minor issue tho .. our “hero” (Chris Prat who does not suit the stoic wooden-jaw serious casting tho being “producer” probably influenced his selection .. LOL!)) is, supposedly, a serving Navy Seal but apparently wandering/flying/parachuting around the US & Mexico cleaning up “baddies” for a personal vendetta means no one asks why you ain’t at your day job …. LOL!
Maybe I got the wrong show cos it rates 8/10 at IMDB against my 2/10 …….
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11743610/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

shatterzzz
July 15, 2022 4:22 pm

PRATT wiv 2 Ts …….. duuuh!

shatterzzz
July 15, 2022 4:26 pm

Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?

Your not seriously suggesting that “Quadrant” would have better reseach than “BRUCE”!
HOW DARE YOU ……. LOL!

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 4:28 pm

Who cares about Hazza and his squeeze, but there’s some laughs here:

Duke of Woke Harry is blind to his own hypocrisy

Harry and Meghan are set to speak at the UN, which is sure to produce the laughs when they display all the hypocrisy of the Left.

Andrew Bolt

Wonderful! Prince Harry will next Monday give what’s generously called a “keynote” address at some informal meeting at the United Nations, accompanied by wife Meghan Markle.

It’s wonderful because this Duke and Duchess of Woke can be counted on to produce the laughs by displaying all the hypocrisy of the woke Left.

Take their last “royal tour” of New York, last September, accompanied by a camera crew from Netflix, which is funding their extravagant lifestyle.

What Netflix filmed was hilarious, but in a totally unintentional way.

For instance, Markle and Harry had a very public and pointless meeting with Amina Mohammed, the United Nations deputy secretary-general.

Mohammed praised their commitment to “sustainable development”, which instantly made a joke of the $5400 cashmere coat Markle chose to wear on that 24-degree day.

Harry and Markle also strolled onto the stage of a “Global Citizen Live” concert to read a sermon on fighting the Covid virus, but struck another bum note.

“Look at us all here, 60,000 strong in New York City,” Harry shouted, before asking: “Are we prepared to do what’s necessary to end this pandemic?”

The cheers were muted. The 60,000 people jammed in like sardines seemed to realise it was dumb to pretend they were doing everything to stop the virus spreading.

Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

Worse, her book was written to honour a father’s bond with his child, when Markle has cut off her own father and helped divide Harry from his.

Monday’s visit promises to be just as funny, because Harry will speak at Nelson Mandela Day function, whose theme is the supposed link between hunger and global warming.

Of course, Harry could finally speak true and say, hang on, global warming isn’t causing hunger. The world has instead had record grain harvests.

He could say what’s instead causing hunger are global warming policies. Sri Lanka’s government banned man-made fertilisers, citing global warming, which has since devastated harvests of rice and tea, helping to bankrupt the country and causing mass hunger.

Holland, the world’s second-biggest food exporter, is now driving its own farmers out of business by demanding they also slash use of nitrogen fertilisers.

Harry could say all this, but the Duke of Woke seems blind to such hypocrisy.

Count on him making a fool of himself all over again.

Herald-Sun

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 4:31 pm

Just up at Quadrant – was under discussion here:

Imprisoned in the Oldest Continuous Culture

The frequent claim that Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest continuous culture on Earth, measured at 50,000 years, is a curious one. First, it is incorrect. This title belongs to the San people, who have existed for at least 150,000 years in southern Africa. Second, it is curious that this claim is used as proof of the value of traditional Aboriginal culture.

Curious indeed, since the claim, which is a claim of conservatism par excellence, is frequently made by those who themselves subscribe to a view that culture should be dynamic, embracing change, in other words progressive. The question arises of how this strange alliance between white political progressivism and indigenous cultural conservativism came to exist and how it continues.

More here…

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 4:32 pm

Top Ender.

Doubt it, I know some in the industry and former members. Joyce cut his teeth in aviation, lives for it and brilliant businessman from what I was told too. Just like most high flyers, stay away from him in a bad mood apparently, fits of rage are apparently a sight.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 4:36 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
July 15, 2022 at 4:20 pm
Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?

Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 15, 2022 4:38 pm

Master Bob of Ballarat, who left his wife, embraced a new career as a whips and leather dom and was even profiled by the ABC, which was interested in his “alternative lifestyle”.

One might think that being a child who saw his suburban dad go kinky-winky-woo and leave his wife just as his boy was hitting puberty, well that might be a rational explanation for a teenager turning to drugs than a cathedral goosing that never could have happened.

And now he’s tewibbly tewibbly upset that he’s on the other end of a thrashing, this time a make-believe emotional one? Tell me another one, do. He sounds psychologically unstable, but I guess given his interests we knew that.

I can’t believe he ever cared two hoots about his son’s welfare until he sniffs some money there.

If this is no-win no-fee and it goes to Court – and fails – someone should tell him the catch then (as I understand it) is that hefty costs could be awarded against him personally with Shine also claiming a fee. Clearly they are hoping for a shut-up-money negotiated settlement, prior to a Court Heating, with no admission made. I hope Cardinal Pell doesn’t fall for this and hits back hard. With any luck, 7-nil should be sufficient to laugh it away before it starts. It’s just a media stunt?

Frank
Frank
July 15, 2022 4:40 pm

Minors getting abortions happens every week in Ohio

From that article linked to yesterday.

An analysis of Columbus police reports filed since May 9 found 50 reports of rape or sexual abuse involving girls 15 years or younger. That number of reports may also be underreported because of restrictions on public records related to reports initiated by mandated reporters. The report involving the 10-year-old girl falls into that category.

In 2020, there were 52 abortions in children 15 or younger in Ohio, accounting for 0.3% of the 20,605 abortions performed that year, according to the Ohio Department of Health. Data from the health department shows there were 63 such procedures in 2019, 54 in 2018, 61 in 2017 and 76 in 2016.

Data from 2021 is not yet available.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 15, 2022 4:47 pm

(plus she is much better than Miss Ellie).

Sacre bleu. Dukes up now sfw for Rabz will be around very soon to defend Miss Ellie’s honour.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 4:52 pm

Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.

I just can’t take it seriously any more. In the name of “reconciliation”, my local shire, and Aboriginal Corporation, has a display down at the local museum. Part of that display highlights the “dark history” and “unjust treatment” of the local Aborigines since British colonization. To continue Top Ender’s theme on another website, no mention of housing, welfare, supermarkets, modern medicine…….

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 4:56 pm

“when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time”
My four year old relative did, mild first time, unwell enough to visit hospital emergency the second time.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:04 pm

unvaccinated are less inclined to take the test.

sfw
sfw
July 15, 2022 5:06 pm

Lizzie, perhaps he may lose his infatuation with her.

Everyone else (well the Abbott people), I apologise if I’ve hurt your feelings, I won’t post anymore about him as long as you do the same.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:09 pm

Stop sooking!!

Vicki
Vicki
July 15, 2022 5:09 pm

unvaccinated are less inclined to take the test.

What evidence do you have of that?

There are not a lot of us. But I have made the acquaintance of a group of unvaccinated in my Sydney area. All of them have taken a test when they have had symptoms similar to Covid.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:10 pm

Abbott!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 15, 2022 5:10 pm

Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

Apparently their neighbours call her the Princess of Montecito.

Royal Family: Meghan Markle given cruel nickname by California neighbours (15 Jul)

Seems to quite like the fringe benefits of being a princess oops duchess. I hope they manage to bring in sufficient revenue to pay for their apparently necessary lifestyle or the crash will be historic, in a British-royalty-historic sense of historic.

Vicki
Vicki
July 15, 2022 5:13 pm

when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time”
My four year old relative did, mild first time, unwell enough to visit hospital emergency the second time.

Fair enough rosie. But I am surprised. Although I must admit that those that I know who are unvaccinated take particular care with their health and diet.

I would always take littlies to hospital irrespective of vaccination or not, if they are very unwell.

Winston Smith
July 15, 2022 5:13 pm

amortiser:

We are being softened up for a foot and mouth outbreak. This is what the WEF wants. We are supposed to eat only vegetables and insects. Slaughtering our herds is high on their agenda.
We are dealing with truly evil bastards here. Sri Lanka and the Netherlands have found out already.

The Xhosa Catastrophe 2.1
Yes, I know I’ve posted on this before, but the parallels are there.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 5:13 pm

It’s already been explained to you that where there is a risk of death or permanently impairment of the mother an abortion after 6 weeks is legal in Ohio. That the doctor in Ohio cared more about the inconvenience to themselves than the child and sent her to Indiana isn’t my problem. Still, I’d like to know more about the timeline, when this or that person who ‘helped’ her became involved, and so on.

Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly. The fact that the system you approve produced this outcome is not your problem, because you choose to disregard it, because it invalidates your whole argument.

Yes, yes, it is the fault of conservatives that single parents allow their boyfriends to stay the night or spend time alone with their young children.

No one is saying the rape is conservatives’ fault. What is their fault is setting up a system that adds to her trauma, and will ultimately lead to forcing her to carry the rapist’s baby to term.

Ultimately, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you want the little girl to suffer, because your policies only add to her suffering and you don’t seem to care about that.

You could only draw this ‘ultimate’ conclusion if you completely ignore or count for naught the life of the child she once carried.

You say are prepared to kill that “child” when it looks like a tadpole just because its mother is ten years old, so don’t come at me with absolutist takes. Abortion is murder, you say, except when the mother is a little girl, then we will just give her another traumatic experience on top of the original sin, and whatever extra pain we give her beyond what is necessary is not our problem.

The real conservatives in Ohio and elsewhere think that the girl should carry the rapist’s child to term, and will say so into a live mic. They think you’re a squish. At least they are not being hypocritical. They are sociopathic misogynists, but it’s a fully coherent ethos.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:15 pm

By my own associations, Vicki. Plus an asuption from the “it’s just the flu” mob. Why would they if it was?

Gabor
Gabor
July 15, 2022 5:20 pm

It figures, every time, you can rely on it.

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 5:21 pm

Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.

The thing is, no matter how many thousand years the indigenous claim to have been here, it’s not a continuous culture. No aboriginal here lives the way his ancestors did prior to white settlement. A lot of lore/law has been irrevocably lost, sometimes voluntarily jettisoned by aboriginals who regarded the white man’s culture as self-evidently superior, whether in spiritual or material terms, or both.

Winston Smith
July 15, 2022 5:21 pm

Bespoke:

Ad much as pell.’s desishion not to sue is. It’s his alone. Do your own crusading.

Bit early to be hitting the Stella already, Bespoke?
🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 5:22 pm

Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

Absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever.

C Grade actress.
C Grade princess.
C Grade influencer.

Take the bolt-ons and $400K of useless trophy marks off and you wouldn’t give it a second look.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:24 pm

Bugger off 4x snorter!

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 5:24 pm

What we need are more ‘Abbott and the bug’ posts.
Still think his article published in September 2020? was the most sensible and reasonable by any Australian politician serving or retired ever.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 5:25 pm

stay away from him in a bad mood apparently, fits of rage are apparently a sight.

Be decent comedy value I reckon. Angry Irish homo dwarves stamping their feet and yelling.

When you get bored with it, just cover him with a well-chosen designer throw rug and he’ll quieten down on his own.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:27 pm

As much as pell’s decision not to sue is frustrating. It’s his alone. Do your own crusading.

Fixed.
Cheers

JC
JC
July 15, 2022 5:29 pm

Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 5:30 pm

m0nty-fa

an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly.

We do not know who the “experienced child abuse doctor” is, much less their actual qualifications and experience. You are just developing a “narrative” to suit your preferences.

You also seem to be encouraging doctors not to report possible child abuse, to shield the child from “a years-long legal battle”. Luckily you do not reside in Ohio, you might have just committed a felony.

Ironically, as a result of the actions of the Indiana abortionist, the child will almost certainly become involved in “a years-long legal battle”. All to keep a lucrative industry going.

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 5:31 pm

Absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever.

In short, a narcissist.

Luzu
July 15, 2022 5:31 pm

Z2KA,

The beautiful man was a guard at Banksia Hill. He left because it all became too much. The stories he would tell me about the young men made me weep.

It is so bad with so many guards suffering injury and abuse. The new recruits coming through just don’t last.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 15, 2022 5:32 pm

plus she is much better than Miss Ellie

Lederhosen! It would be a fine experience to sip on a few jugs of the good stuff with them entertaining in an Oktoberfest shed.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 5:32 pm

Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

Well it kept Tony Abbott out of the papers.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 5:35 pm

m0nty-fa

What is their fault is setting up a system that adds to her trauma, and will ultimately lead to forcing her to carry the rapist’s baby to term.

No. If the “experienced child abuse doctor” had done their duty, and reported the crime, the abortion could have been approved under the current Ohio law, a point you consistently refuse to acknowledge, much less accept. And did or did not the Indiana abortionist actually do the job, or was she too busy setting up a “narrative” to protect her lucrative job to bother with that task?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 5:38 pm

It is so bad with so many guards suffering injury and abuse. The new recruits coming through just don’t last.

If the “West Australian” is to be believed, the guards are leaving faster then they can be replaced.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 5:54 pm

Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field

What’s your evidence for that “fact” m0nty? The newspaper story? Are we meant to accept uncritically that everything in the newspaper story is accurate?
If so, have you got any response to what I wrote a while ago?

He’s desperately trying to sustain his erection over the whole thing.
Like when the first newspaper article referred expressly to a six week hard date abortion law (wrong) and a six week three day pregnancy, and failed to refer to the danger to the mother exception. M0nty was adamant that his psychic powers enabled him to know that the Ohio doctor was fully aware of the actual Ohio law based on a foetal heartbeat test and danger to the mother exception (despite 0.00000 recurring to infinity mention of either of those in the story), and that the newspaper reporter had got it wrong, and therefore the newspaper story supported m0nty’s assertion that it wasn’t a beatup.

Yes, that’s right. M0nty’s saying “the newspaper story says X, but I think what really happened was Y, so that means that the newspaper story is evidence of Y”.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 5:57 pm

Hi Mark!

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 5:59 pm

Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field

Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 15, 2022 6:27 pm

Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?

Try to use your brains.
A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 6:28 pm

A Child Abuse Doctor

A what now?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 6:29 pm

Mum ‘devastated’ after judge reduces sentence for driver who killed four children in Oatlands crash

NCA NewsWire
2 hours ago July 15, 2022

A mother whose child was killed by a drunk and drug-affected driver says she is “devastated” after his sentence was slashed in a shocking ruling.

Samuel Davidson was jailed for manslaughter after his erratic driving caused the deaths of three Abdallah siblings – Antony, 13, Angelina, 12 and Sienna, 8 – and their cousin Veronique Sakr, 11 at Oatlands in February 2020.

He also hit and injured three other children, one of whom sustained permanent brain injuries.

Davidson was driving at more than 130km/h with a lethal cocktail of alcohol and drugs in his system when he ploughed into the seven children from behind as they were walking to get ice cream.

Davidson blew three times the legal alcohol limit and had cocaine and party drug MDMA in his system when he crashed into the group of children.

The 32-year-old pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of the four children and was sentenced to a maximum of 28 years in prison, with a non-parole period of 21 years.

On Friday, that sentence was reduced by eight years to a maximum of 20 years in jail, with at least 15 years to be spent behind bars.

During the appeal hearing in May, his lawyer argued the sentence was “crushing” and would be more “onerous” on Davidson because of his client’s attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

The NSW Court of Criminal Appeals determined Davidson’s ADHD did not “materially contribute to the offending conduct” but found the original sentence was manifestly excessive.

“A sentence for an offence of criminal negligence which leaves a 29-year-old man of prior good character with good prospects of rehabilitation no prospect of release until he is 50 is indeed crushing and not proportionate to the totality of his criminality,” the judgment read.

“This is not a case of a ‘discount’ for multiple offending: there was but a single course of criminally negligent conduct, albeit one which had catastrophic consequences.”

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

“His one act of criminally negligent driving had catastrophic consequences,” Justice Brereton said.

“However, it cannot be overlooked that the applicant’s crimes are not crimes of intent.”

The facts show Davidson had been on a bender and moments before the crash, he drove dangerously through a red light and on the wrong side of the road as he raised his middle finger at another driver with children in their car.

Justice Brereton upheld the appeal upon finding the sentence was excessive punishment for a single criminal act. Davidson will be eligible for parole on January 31, 2035.

His ADHD means he’ll find his sentence “onerous.” Stiff shit!

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 6:32 pm

Brereton, now where have I heard that name before???

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 6:33 pm

Ed Casesays:
July 15, 2022 at 6:27 pm
Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?

Try to use your brains.
A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.

Dickless

Apart from assuming the doctor’s gender, you have taken a narrow view of the description. Was the doctor an experienced doctor, but new to the child abuse task, or was the doctor experienced in both medicine and the child abuse aspect? Thus distinction was not clear in the rather sloppy newspaper report.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 6:35 pm

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

Brereton, where have I heard that name before?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 6:38 pm

Ed Casesays:
July 15, 2022 at 6:27 pm
[Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?]

Try to use your brains.
A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.

Ed, the story didn’t say that the doctor was a qualified child abuse paediatrician, let alone an experienced one. What makes you think that child abuse as a clinical discipline is somehow exempted from having interns work in their hospital departments?

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 6:38 pm

Justice Brereton upheld the appeal upon finding the sentence was excessive punishment for a single criminal act.

Justice Brereton, you say?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 6:41 pm

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

Judge Brereton of the New South Wales Appeal Court, where have I heard that name before?

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 6:42 pm

How does this invalidate anything? If the doctor had done it in Ohio they could have simply applied the affirmative defense if questioned by the authorities. If they still sought to press charges, the 10 year old wouldn’t be the football, the doctor would. The 10-year old is shielded by her age. You’re simply using the doctor’s cowardice as an excuse her, and the child as a shield, for their decision to go to Indiana.

If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for rape, the bill would have had an exception for rape. It did not.

If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for minors, the bill would have had an exception for minors. It did not.

It is not the doctor’s fault that they chose not to be a test case for whether a law that did not include specific exceptions actually had implicit operative exceptions due to emanations of the penumbra, or whatever you think would have saved this girl. In the current US legal environment where conservative judges are using the canards of “textualism” and “originalism” as bludgeons to implement conservative policy, it was entirely logical for the doctor to conclude that discretion was the better part of valour in this case.

Also, if you think the right wouldn’t have gone after the child and her family in such a test case, you are clearly not reading this thread, where you lot are barking for red meat like a pack of rabid dogs. The racism and misogyny would have been off the charts. The feeding frenzy in wingnut media is probably going to happen now anyway, since they got severely embarrassed when they went all in on the fake news angle and got burned.

Again, you’re confusing my own position with the law as it stands in Ohio.

You support the law, and think it should go further by declaring it a crime for anyone to help little girls in such a terrible situation, thus leaving her defenceless.

m0nty
m0nty
July 15, 2022 6:44 pm

Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.

These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.

Roger
Roger
July 15, 2022 6:45 pm

Seems as though he’s made quite a “name” for himself.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 6:46 pm

About time for some music and dad jokes.

Indolent
Indolent
July 15, 2022 6:48 pm
bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 6:56 pm

Why did grandma leave the job at the glue factory? She could not stick with it.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 6:56 pm

Mooving forward, apart from seeing a fat arsed Ranga, not myself, is why we are here. Not dealing with the past without glossing over is detrimental to our development. Some of can’t handle the emotional stress of confronting the past. I’ve generally found the moving forward brigade to be lightweight in their outlook. Some things are so stressful on a personal level it is all one can do. Most of what is happening today is beyond personal due to it happening to most people. Cutting the shackles to the past may sometimes require removing what we are shackled to. The shackle, a reminder of what it was that led us to where we are now. In the future don’t move on, remember what was done and give back what taken plus punitive damages. Don’t forgive, don’t forget and make them hurt. The bastards keep doing it because they can. Because we let them. No longer.

Frank
Frank
July 15, 2022 6:56 pm

Give it a rest Monty, stop being such a revolting sluggard.

JC
JC
July 15, 2022 6:59 pm

Land bridge to Crimea. All of Luhansk. Donestsk is now likely to fall following fall of Severdonetsk- Lisichansk as things seem to be moving more quickly now than earlier. Mauling of UAF as they’ve lost many of their best troops.

Dover, things are moving more quickly? The war should have been over by now, according to what the Kremlin said at the beginning. It’s now a quagmire with Russian assets being wasted at an enormous rate for every inch of land. The war has degraded Russia’s military enormously.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 6:59 pm

How many feminists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

Only one. She stands with the bulb and the world revolves around her.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 6:59 pm

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? Does Judge Brereton’s sentence in this case set any sort of precedent – the accuseds’ crimes may seem horrific, but he has no prior record?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 15, 2022 7:00 pm

What would Brereton the lesser say if it was his family. Arsehole.

Digger
Digger
July 15, 2022 7:01 pm

There are not a lot of us. But I have made the acquaintance of a group of unvaccinated in my Sydney area. All of them have taken a test when they have had symptoms similar to Covid.

Exactly. I am unvaccinated and tested myself when I got symptoms. It is a good thing to know if you have it or not when you have symptoms.

I didn’t get sick or even get a raised temperature, just had a cough, mild intermittent headache and congestion for a few days. Cough persisted for a few weeks but eventually went. No biggie, but good to know that I had it and it was a nothing burger…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 7:01 pm

How many feminists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

How many Palestinians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None – it’s easier to sit in the dark and curse the Joos.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 7:11 pm

What’s the only food that can trigger a feminazi?
Gender roles

Cassie of Sydney
July 15, 2022 7:11 pm

This is why I love history….from the Oz

“World’s oldest alliance forged in a village church 650 years ago

A little-known treaty that laid foundations for the world’s oldest alliance was celebrated with pomp and circumstance at the weekend in an obscure village in Portugal.

A small stone memorial and a sign for Treaty of the Alliance Street are usually the only indications that 650 years ago the northern village of Tagilde was the site of a historic pact with England.

But on Sunday the signing of the Treaty of Tagilde was re-­enacted, and in nearby Braga and Vizela, the Choir of the Queen’s College, Oxford, and the Coldstream Guards Brass Quintet performed to mark the anniversary.

Until recently Tagilde had forgotten its role in the treaty, which was signed in its church on July 10, 1372. So had most historians. Yet its effects were momentous: it began the oldest diplomatic alliance between two nations that is still in force. Its importance was underscored last month when Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Costa met British counterpart Boris Johnson to sign an agreement on foreign policy, security and trade. They inspected an original version of the 1372 treaty, which had been moved to Downing Street for the occasion by the National Archives.

Portugal and Britain have revived the treaty’s significance in its anniversary year, commemorating an alliance that has endured wars, dictatorship and diplomatic spats – and promoted fine things such as port and tea. To celebrate the treaty, plays, wine tastings and seminars have been staged.

Winston Churchill described the alliance as without parallel in history, but how did it begin? It started with an English quest for the throne of Castile, Portugal’s old foe. “The claim was made by John of Gaunt, which is not as absurd as it sounds as England had large possessions in the southwest of France that bordered Castile,” said Thomas Earle, professor of Portuguese studies at Oxford University. “It was based on his marriage to Constance, the daughter of Spain’s King Pedro the Cruel.”

The treaty agreed England and Portugal would both wage war against Castile. It was signed by Roger Hore, John of Gaunt’s squire, and King Ferdinand I of Portugal. Tagilde may have been chosen because it was a royal possession and lies halfway between Porto, where Hore disembarked, and Braga, where Ferdinand was resident.

The treaty’s rationale for unity against Castile was undermined by a Portuguese-Spanish peace agreement, but it led to the Treaty of London the following year, the second of a series of Anglo-Portuguese agreements, which pledged “perpetual friendships, unions, alliances and deeds of sincere affection”. Early signs of the bond were seen when English archers took part in a Portuguese victory over the Spanish in 1385, a year before relations were consolidated in the fuller Treaty of Windsor. Since then, successive treaties have perpetuated the alliance.

Few can have such links to the alliance as Duarte Pio, who is claimant to the abolished Portuguese throne and styles himself the Duke of Braganza. One of his dynasty’s members, Catherine of Braganza, married Charles II in 1662, helped to popularise tea in England and supported the Methuen Treaty in 1703, which bolstered the port trade.

“She is said also to have made popular orange marmalade and the use of the fork,” Mr Pio said.

He said the alliance played an important role during the Second World War, when Britain was given facilities in the Azores to help in the Battle of the Atlantic against German submarines. And Australian troops served alongside the Portuguese Expeditionary Corps on the Western Front during World War 1.

The alliance has survived some difficult times. The Portuguese have not forgotten incidents such as the 1890 British Ultimatum which forced the retreat of its forces from areas in Africa that had been claimed by Portugal but occupied by Britain.

On the plus side is the support given during the Peninsular War (1807-14) by the Duke of Wellington, who defended Lisbon and Porto from Napoleon’s troops.

Despite the challenges of Brexit and Covid, Britain’s ambassador to Portugal Chris Sainty said the alliance was still strong.

“Our new agreement maintains the spirit of the ancient treaties,” he said.”

Imagine Britain without tea, marmalade and port.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 7:15 pm

One for Rex and notafan

Why do Star Trek fans never grow out of it?
They just Klingon to it

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 15, 2022 7:18 pm

Nice Cassie. Thanks for the find, you learn something new each day.

rosie
rosie
July 15, 2022 7:23 pm

Interesting Cassie, the Portuguese I’ve met seem to have an affection for England, and claimed a history for a good relationship, now l know the basis.

John
John
July 15, 2022 7:32 pm

Many are arguing points of law here in favour of Cardinal Pell. What you’re all forgetting is this case is in Victoriastan. I fear that they will financially ruin Cardinal Pell and the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

Likewise, many want Cardinal Pell to sue for defamation. Where in Australia would he get a fair hearing?

Indolent
Indolent
July 15, 2022 7:38 pm

Another heart attack at work this morning.

I had a shock yesterday when I learnt that someone I had worked with for years, who retired at the end of last year, had died suddenly “without warning or health problems” at the age of 73.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 7:38 pm
Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 15, 2022 7:40 pm

m0ntysays:
July 15, 2022 at 6:44 pm
[Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.]

These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.

I’ll take that as an admission that you’ve got zero answers to my questions and zero evidence for your flights of fancy.

P
P
July 15, 2022 7:41 pm

World’s oldest alliance forged in a village church 650 years ago

But on Sunday the signing of the Treaty of Tagilde was re-­enacted, and in nearby Braga and Vizela, the Choir of the Queen’s College, Oxford, and the Coldstream Guards Brass Quintet performed to mark the anniversary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15WPsxZQGjY

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 15, 2022 7:50 pm

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

“Daily Mail” is running with this story – strange, they aren’t mentioning the name of the judge…..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 15, 2022 7:53 pm

What/who was the source of this quote?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:

July 15, 2022 at 4:38 pm

Master Bob of Ballarat, who left his wife, embraced a new career as a whips and leather dom and was even profiled by the ABC, which was interested in his “alternative lifestyle”.

One might think that being a child who saw his suburban dad go kinky-winky-woo and leave his wife just as his boy was hitting puberty, well that might be a rational explanation for a teenager turning to drugs than a cathedral goosing that never could have happened.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 15, 2022 7:53 pm

Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? Does Judge Brereton’s sentence in this case set any sort of precedent – the accuseds’ crimes may seem horrific, but he has no prior record?

Sentencing is generally an exercise of judicial discretion having regard to various principles. A few specific offences may carry mandatory sentences but they are the exception rather than the rule. Generally counsel will provide a range of cases for the offence and seek to argue similarities and/or differences. This case would be a precedent for the offence charged in this and lower courts. It would be persuasive but not binding in other jurisdictions.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 7:55 pm

a revolting sluggard.

A revolting, pettifogging sluggard.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 7:56 pm

What/who was the source of this quote?

areff, I believe.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 7:58 pm

How many feminists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

/feminist

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 15, 2022 7:59 pm

While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

Did he have a Criminal Record as a Minor?

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 8:05 pm

How many Vietnam veterans does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

YOU DON’T KNOW!

YOU WEREN’T THERE!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 15, 2022 8:08 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

July 15, 2022 at 7:56 pm

What/who was the source of this quote?

areff, I believe.

Was there more to it?
Couldn’t find the original.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:11 pm

RockDoctor

Snap!

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 8:11 pm

Was there more to it?

Yes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:11 pm

And also Zulu!

P
P
July 15, 2022 8:13 pm

Was there more to it?

No.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
July 15, 2022 8:14 pm

Former police commissioner Chris Dawson (what a lovely irony) sworn in as governor of WA:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-15/police-commissioner-chris-dawson-appointed-34th-governor-wa/101240236

Now for Fatty Ashton as governor of Yarragrad?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:15 pm

a law that did not include specific exceptions actually had implicit operative exceptions due to emanations of the penumbra,

ROFLMAO!

Roe was built on “emanations from the penumbra”, now m0nty-fa complains that Ohio law might not include such.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 15, 2022 8:16 pm

Was there more to it?
Couldn’t find the original.

That was about it, I think. Two or three days back.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:18 pm

where you lot are barking for red meat like a pack of rabid dogs

m0nty-fa and his revolting ilk are “barking for red meat” in the form of aborted children, be they late-term, sex-selective, or “lifestyle”, and he criticises those who wish to restrict in any way the abortion industry.

bespoke
bespoke
July 15, 2022 8:18 pm

Trust me Sancho. Go look for it.

P
P
July 15, 2022 8:19 pm

20

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 15, 2022 8:19 pm

Coalition of the Perks

So many Voices, so little to show for them

Tony Letford / The Spectator

The numerous government-funded bodies tasked with closing the inequality gap between the 3.2 per cent of Australians who are Aboriginal and the rest of us have thus far had very limited success. Given the massive disparity in lifestyles, employment levels, income, and any other measure you can name it is understandable that Australia’s various governments keep looking for new ideas. Unfortunately, the latest scheme is yet another stinker doomed to go the same way as every other plan based on the prevailing ideologies.

There are at present more than 70 organisations actively involved in managing a variety of schemes to ‘close the gap’. They generally have four things in common. First, they usually have flash websites. Second, they are funded by you. Third, they are almost completely ineffective and, finally, they are free from any form of independent cost-benefit analysis.

Take Closing the Gap, an organisation mainly funded by various government bodies. According to its website, their objective is to ‘enable Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and governments to work together to overcome the inequality experienced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and achieve life outcomes equal to all Australians’.

The organisation was ‘developed in genuine partnership between Australian governments and the Coalition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peak Organisations’ (the Coalition of Peaks), to ensure that ‘the views and expertise of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including Elders, Traditional Owners and Native Title holders, communities and organisations will continue to provide central guidance to…national governments’. The Coalition of the Peaks is, according to its website, ‘a representative body of over seventy Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community-controlled peak organisations and members (who are) to be formal partners with Australian governments on Closing the Gap’. The website also claims that ‘We have worked for our communities for a long time and are working to ensure the full involvement of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in shared decision-making with Australian governments across the country to improve the life outcomes of our people’.

This is a very worthy aim, and one might reasonably ask why we need yet another organisation to replicate this function. The Voice to Parliament we are told ‘would advise parliament on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’. This is, as far as I can see, exactly what the Closing the Gap mob was supposed to do. The Voice to Parliament mob argues that ‘Constitutional entrenchment is important because it would give the Voice special legitimacy and provide it with stability and certainty. The details of its design would be determined by Parliament’, according to a recent article on The Conversation.

Recently, in the Australian, Troy Bramston also expressed enthusiasm for the Voice to Parliament which, he assures us, ‘is not a third chamber. It would only advise the Parliament’. But neither Bramston nor any of the other numerous supporters of this half-baked scheme are seriously addressing the issue of what form of advice the new entity would provide that is not within the purview of the 70 organisations already tasked with that objective. What we are witnessing is the establishment of another layer of bureaucrats on top of all the other ineffective bodies already funded by or competing for your taxes. Even Pat Turner, co-chair of the Joint Council on Closing the Gap, who is supportive of a Voice to Parliament, is ‘struggling to see the way forward’ and wants to ‘start to see some detail’.

On the other hand, the Green’s Aboriginal intellectual giant, Lidia Thorpe, is opposed to the Voice to Parliament at this stage and instead argues that ‘We (Aboriginal people) need to protect and preserve our sovereignty. We demand a sovereign treaty with an independent sovereign treaty commission, and appropriate funds allocated…We don’t need a referendum.’

Despite the vagueness of the proposal, The Voice to Parliament appears to be gaining traction. Just before the federal election, the ABC’s Vote Compass showed the number of voters supporting a Constitutional amendment to provide a Voice to Parliament had increased from 64 per cent in 2019 to 73 per cent today.

The idea that yet another taxpayer-funded body will offer better ‘guidance’ to politicians and bureaucrats than the existing plethora of bodies is a fantasy that can exist only in the minds of those whose opinions are based on ideology rather than evidence. And yet this mad scheme continues to gain ground even though no one can even give a clear explanation of how it will work that is acceptable to all relevant parties.

Recently, on the ABC radio show for eggheads, The Minefield, the ubiquitous Waleed Aly and Scott Stephens discussed the need for recognition of ‘the moral primacy for First Nations people’. They argued that what is required is an acceptance that indigenous people never ceded their sovereignty, that a shared sovereignty is the reality of the modern world and that an acceptance of an indigenous spiritual sovereignty is an essential precursor for a Voice to Parliament.

To put it bluntly, the entire wokerati is adamant that a Voice to Parliament, or some form of treaty, is required but no two advocates can agree on the exact role of the Voice and how it will differ from dozens of organisations already advising our parliaments on Aboriginal policy. Nor do the advocates explain why the federal and state minister, all tasked with liaising with Aboriginal groups, are not already advising parliament.

Some insight into the challenges the Voice will face can be gauged by the achievements of the current indigenous leaders. After the seventh meeting of the Joint Council on Closing the Gap in December last year, a communiqué was produced to tell the world what they had done. The members of the Joint Council, which included Ken Wyatt, then federal minister for Indigenous Australians, seven other members of various parliaments, and 13 members of the Coalition of Peaks, after much deliberation and debate, proudly announced that they had approved a new logo for the group.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:19 pm

m0ntysays:
July 15, 2022 at 6:44 pm
Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.

These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.

OK, m0nty-fa has no such evidence.

Frank
Frank
July 15, 2022 8:21 pm

How many guitarists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

Ten. One to do it and nine to stand around with their hands on their hips saying “Yeah, I could do that”.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 15, 2022 8:27 pm

Bloke I was with “I don’t know what is going on, they’re now nearly permanently stationed there waiting to escort ambulances.”

I’m sure it’s nothing

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 15, 2022 8:27 pm

The organisation was ‘developed in genuine partnership between Australian governments and the Coalition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peak Organisations’ (the Coalition of Peaks), to ensure that ‘the views and expertise of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including Elders, Traditional Owners and Native Title holders, communities and organisations will continue to provide central guidance to…national governments’. The Coalition of the Peaks is, according to its website, ‘a representative body of over seventy Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community-controlled peak organisations and members (who are) to be formal partners with Australian governments on Closing the Gap’.

Does this sound like an existing “Voice”?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 15, 2022 8:30 pm

A lot of lore/law has been irrevocably lost, sometimes voluntarily jettisoned by aboriginals who regarded the white man’s culture as self-evidently superior, whether in spiritual or material terms, or both.

Quite right, too. The aborigines are getting white privilege, and as a gift. Just as my tribal ancestors in Britain got civilised by imperial Rome. Best thing that ever happened to them. What did the Romans ever do for us? Lots. What have the British done for the aborigines? Likewise. Any ungrateful buggers are welcome to go and live in the outback, without electricity or supermarkets, or water. Or clothes, or transport. They’ll have their wonderful spiritual values to keep them happy, and the medicine will be chewing on bark or witchetty grubs.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 15, 2022 8:43 pm

Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

Coke & hookers.

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