Open Thread – Weekend 23 July 2022
1,578 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 23 July 2022”
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Tintarella di Lunasays:
July 25, 2022 at 9:02 pm
[I’ve seen the fuckers in operation. They are completely dependent on advisors for their thoughts and 100% averse from the risk of being ‘wrong’ in a political sense – and this leads to a special kind of wilful stupidity.]Do you think that might’ve been Scott Morrison’s problem? ‘Twas the advisors?
Remember who appoints the advisors. Politicians aren’t trying to get real advice. They’re getting a screen to shield them from anyone who might tell them the truth (or at least anyone who might become publicly known to have told them the truth). If the “advisors” have any skill at all, it’s usually just being able to tabulate the opinion polls into a powerpoint deck. “No-one told me” may be an explanation, but it’s not an excuse, because the whole “advisor” system has no purpose except to ensure that the politician can’t be proved to be lying when they claim not to have known about something.
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Delta confirms what I imagined but hoped was not true.
I have a friend who is employed by one of the “care” satellites – she takes the frail and impaired shopping amongst other tasks. No one could want for a more conscientious, caring person to look after them. Kindness comes naturally to her.
She might be an exception.
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‘Rivers of grog’ fear as Northern Territory alcohol ban ends
EXCLUSIVE
Amos Aikman
Northern Correspondent
@amosaikman
3 minutes ago July 25, 2022
No CommentsIndigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney is seeking an urgent meeting with the Northern Territory leader amid mounting concern about the NT government’s decision not to extend alcohol bans covering about 400 Aboriginal outstations and communities.
Canberra has been under pressure to intervene and reimpose the bans amid reports of spikes in domestic and alcohol-fuelled violence and a 300 per cent increase in alcohol sales at an outlet in Alice Springs.
An estimated 7000 people have been affected by the changes in places ranging from town camps around major urban centres to regional and remote communities such as Amoonguna and Peppimenarti and a long list of outstations and homelands.
The blanket bans were imposed as part of the Howard government’s 2007 NT Emergency Response and later enshrined in federal Labor’s Stronger Futures legislation. When those laws expired on July 17, NT Labor introduced opt-in bans instead.
A coalition of Aboriginal organisations, welfare and justice groups and the police union in May condemned the NT government’s refusal to continue the Intervention-era supply restrictions as “disgraceful”, “disgusting”, and “shameful”.
The Australian understands while imposition by Canberra is unlikely, various stakeholders are pressuring the NT government to amend laws passed earlier this year to oblige communities to opt out of continuing alcohol bans rather than opt in.
NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles and her Indigenous Attorney-General, Chansey Paech, both reject legacy rules they brand “race-based policy targeting Aboriginal Territorians with little or no engagement of consultation”.
Indigenous academic Marcia Langton and her University of Melbourne colleague Kristen Smith, who have documented the harm caused by alcohol across Northern Australia, said restricting supply was one of the most effective ways to protect Indigenous children and families.
“An ideological stance that focuses on the right of Aboriginal people to choose to drink in their communities wilfully ignores the most significant human rights issue at stake, which is the right of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women, children and families to live their lives free from the violence, destruction and death that alcohol causes,” they said.
“The wide-ranging harmful effects of alcohol within Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities in the NT are well documented. Alcohol misuse contributes to the highly disproportionate rates of injury and death, family violence, acquired brain injury, suicide, criminalisation, child protection and homelessness.”
“We also know that alcohol supply restrictions such as those enabled by the Stronger Futures Act, although not sufficient alone, are one of the most effective means to minimise these harms. If the commonwealth government is serious about Closing the Gap for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, then urgent action is required before rivers of grog sweep through the Aboriginal communities and towns of the NT, leaving a trail of casualties in its wake.”
Seven of the twelve affected communities have already opted-in to continued prohibition, and at least 10 more communities and other areas are expected to follow.
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I’ve never eaten wild duck, BBS, only farm, and those have only a thinnish-layer of breast fat, so you can’t make good crackling. Overseas, the fat is up to a half inch. Score, rub in your orange zest and pepper and salt, sweat it slowly in low-heat pan while turning the turkey baster to its less mentioned purpose and draw off the liquid fat. Then into a hot oven fat-side-up for for 10-12 minutes.
Mmmmm!
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“choice adjectives like duplicitous, lyin’ smug-faced, under-bitten, fake-Christian rat-fink who pulled the national cabinet out of his corpulent fundament and rogered the nation. It went very quiet after that.”
Perfect Tinta, just perfect.
I’m getting the impression, from interviews with Andrew Laming and Jason Foolinsky, that the problem was Morrison.
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Old School Conservativesays:
July 25, 2022 at 9:07 pm
The manly players involved:
Forwards Josh Schuster, Toff Sipley, Haumole Olakau’atu, Josh Aloiai, wingers Jason Saab and Christian Tuipulotu, and rookie outside back Tolu Koula have informed club management that they will not be available for the crucial clash with the Roosters.So, in one foul swoop (sic) they have
.1 blown up the playing list,
.2 pissed off their supporters; and
.3 drawn the ire of the very group they were trying to appease (who probably don’t give a rats about NRL anyway).
If they don’t immediately Folau the players and incur massive payouts, the pile-on will continue.
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cohenite says:
July 25, 2022 at 9:05 pmCronkite, what would that imbecile (Controy) know about anything? He’s semi retarded.. Stop listening to retards
FFS, the retards are now in charge.
No they’re not. It’s a huge mistake to think of of them as retards, although Controy is. They’re fanatics. They are religious fanatics.
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It’s pretty weird how his sidekick, Yuval Noah Harari, is an Israeli that is vigorously pushing a techno version of eugenics.
Thought I should read his book to see exactly what he says….
Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow – Yuval Noah Harari
It’s not something that can be summarised a paragraph or two. He doesn’t really advocate a specific future in the book, rather reports and extrapolates in a typical futurist fashion. Yuval spends a lot of time making a case against free will and with it the end of the liberal world order. In some respects he’s right about the biological/genetic and technological trends which are unstoppable. The two futures he sees is techno-humanism and data-ism. The later has some seriously dark strands. He doesn’t see a rehash of the past. How this will all play out is anyone’s guess, chance are we won’t be around to find out.
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So, in one foul swoop (sic) they have
.1 blown up the playing list,
.2 pissed off their supporters; and
.3 drawn the ire of the very group they were trying to appease (who probably don’t give a rats about NRL anyway).
If they don’t immediately Folau the players and incur massive payouts, the pile-on will continue.
Well done, fuckwits.It’s quite magnificent really.
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If they don’t immediately Folau the players and incur massive payouts, the pile-on will continue.
Well done, fuckwits.Dear NRL management:
Faith trumps cash. This may be problematic for you to understand, given that you are a gaggle of corporates, and of whom at least half are using current positions as CV-padders.
Get out of the superboxes and into the stands.
The End.
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Cassie of Sydneysays:
July 25, 2022 at 9:29 pm
“choice adjectives like duplicitous, lyin’ smug-faced, under-bitten, fake-Christian rat-fink who pulled the national cabinet out of his corpulent fundament and rogered the nation. It went very quiet after that.”Perfect Tinta, just perfect.
I’m getting the impression, from interviews with Andrew Laming and Jason Foolinsky, that the problem was Morrison.
Turdballs made some effort to ensure that ScuMo beat Dutton for the job (I won’t say leadership, he never showed any).
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I’ll bet some of these blokes have played their last game.
If so then the Manly club better have a lot of money in the kitty.
Where to next? These Godless nitwits are just playing a game of virtue-signalling oneupmanship — why not just parade the Manly Board in the rainbow jerseys as a show of fielty to the gods of pride. Why make the players bear the burden of brainfart overreach?
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areffsays:
July 25, 2022 at 9:26 pm
I’ve never eaten wild duck, BBS, only farm, and those have only a thinnish-layer of breast fat, so you can’t make good crackling. Overseas, the fat is up to a half inch. Score, rub in your orange zest and pepper and salt, sweat it slowly in low-heat pan while turning the turkey baster to its less mentioned purpose and draw off the liquid fat. Then into a hot oven fat-side-up for for 10-12 minutes.Mmmmm!
Duck shooting early 60s in Southern NSW in Range Off Coast in 1927 Fiat side by side shotgun and Pump action shotgun when not shooting Roos
Wild Duck cooked that night tasted great – except for make sure all shotgun pellets removed before cooking
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Bruce in West Oz
My Report
Age 10 3/4All jokes aside, some may wish to read this, others won’t. Entirely your choice. If you wish to have a go at me over any of it, too bad; I’m not in the mood for it.
My wife and I were on the last cruise of the Coral Princess, 10/7 to 22/7. Ex-Brisbane down to Eden and Sydney, then north to Cairns, Airlie Beach, Port Douglas and Willis Island, before cruising back to disembark in Brisbane.
We arrived in Sydney to find the wharf area literally swarming with media, all quite belligerently haranguing departing guests for an on-camera interview.
Puzzled, we tried to find out WTF was going on. We soon found out. Some of the reports about the ship labelled it a “Death cruise”, “a plague ship”, “the cruise from Hell”. We were, apparently, “riddled” with Covid and threatening the safety of all NSW by our very presence. The ghost of Ruby Princess was regularly invoked. (And no, MSM cockheads, we are NOT sister ships!) Well, we investigated. Yes, we had covid on board. We had 100 crew in lockdown/isolation who had been identified BEFORE our cruise even started. There were also 4 passengers (out of 1590) who had Covid who had contracted it before they got on board.
Sanitation/prevention on board was exemplary! Masks were compulsory. There were literally dozens of sanitation stations on board. No-one went into a dining room without sanitising. No-one went into the buffet without hand washing (observed by a crew member) and passing sanitisation stations. Much of the food was already pre-dished and in single-serve bowls. Any serving tools that were required were changed for clean ones every few minutes. Self-service was monitored by staff. Tables as they were vacated had a large “Not Ready” placard placed on them until they, and the chairs, could be sanitised. This applied to all seating throughout the ship. Masks only off to eat or drink or outdoors.
A couple of days later, my wife said as we were dressing in the morning, that she’d had a rotten night with a dry throat, a cough and slight headache, but after her shower she was fine.
Me being me, I insisted on a RAT for us both, which we did. She was positive; I was negative. We thought about reporting it and finally decided to “do the right thing”. The medical staff came and gave us a PCR swab each — wife was positive and I was negative. They offered me a comparable balcony stateroom to myself. As a close contact, I had to isolate for the same time as my wife. Ship rules. Problem is, the first day is counted as Day Zero, THEN there’s 7 days, and THEN you can get out, if negative.
Room service was good and I can’t fault Princess for what they did for us. They were great. But of course, we missed the entire second half of our cruise. I found I could order alcohol two drinks at a time and it still fell under our drinks package policy, so no charge. Drambuie and Jagermeister at night became my friends. It was worse because I kept coming up negative.
Then the storm hit. We were hammered by rain and wind and a swell that once ran to 6 metres. Again, the media misrepresented the whole deal. One news service in (I believe) South Australia even reported we were “trapped in a hurricane” and “leaking and taking on water”. Total BS! At most, the rocking helped put us to sleep (and we were on a high deck for’ard). The only “leaking” was water seeping in from the balconies under the door/window units. Big deal.
Brisbane at last … and the Pilot station refused to open because the wind was over 25 km/h … yes, km/h, not knots. So, all day Friday and all Saturday, we did bog laps up and down the coast until, 7.00 am Sunday morning, we spied the Pilot boat and knew we could dock … which we did at noon.
Tow days before, I’d had enough, and demanded another test, which came back negative … as had the previous FIVE tests! Missus still sadly positive. So I had a day and a half of freedom. After 9 days in isolation, totally asymptomatic wife told she could not go home with me, but would be transported to an isolation hotel from Sunday until Tuesday morning. My wife isn’t a complainer, but her room has one window that is above her head, so she can’t see anything except rooftops, and food comes in trays with bamboo eating ware. The final straw was a glass of wine (for which she was charged extra) that was delivered to her room … in a polystyrene cup! That was nearly too much for her. And the worst thing is I’m powerless to help her! (Although, with some friends, we did manage to get a local (Qld) Dan Murphys to deliver some wine and a decent wine glass!) When she rang me tonight, she’d obviously enjoyed it! 😀
Anyway, would we do it again? Cruise, I mean? You betcha. In a heartbeat. Although if we had asymptomatic positive results again, I would think long and hard before I reported it — IF I reported it.
Rant over. Time for bed, even though it’s early. Didn’t get to bed until 3.00 am this morning and it’s catching up with me. As for airlines, taxis and Ubers, that’s a whole new story! 🙁
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Wild Duck cooked that night tasted great – except for make sure all shotgun pellets removed before cooking
Speaking of which, further reporting of the OK Corral incident from the Kirkstall Gazette.
Knowles, 49, was shot by waring neighbour Travis Cashmore, 45, which reportedly ended an ongoing feud.
Did it end the feud?
Read on.Cashmore put a shotgun to the back of Knowles’ head as he walked along Scotts North Road at 10.20am last Friday.
The shotgun blast caused catastrophic injuries.
Uh-huh.
Maybe the feud is over.Cashmore was driving his white van at the time.
Seeing Knowles lying on the side of the road, Cashmore backed over his victim’s head, flattening what was left.Riiight.
I think we can call this feud now on a TKO.Cashmore then ran down Ray, 48, with his van before pumping two shotgun shells into his back.
And ‘retribution by best mate’ is also now not a factor.
Yep, getting them pellets out of your stew can be a bugger.
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Tip for cub reporter.
Maybe clean up and paraphrase what the Forensic Cops say before you go to print.
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Ya think?
I’ll bet some of these blokes have played their last game.1) freedom of conscience/religion are important foundations of western culture and Australian legal precepts so I commend them for their stance.
2) this is a group of people who can do something about if they hold together and refuse to compromise on their faith/convictions.
3) at some point the rubbish that corporate Australia is pushing down the necks of all Australians has got to come to a head, otherwise it will get more and more dopey and destructive of society – so everyone pays including these players.
4) for a side, losing one player is manageable, to lose that many and under these circumstances, to coin a phrase, looks too much like carelessness, which will affect the club’s reputation, but is thoroughly self-inflicted.
5 it will be interesting to see how it plays out vis-à-vis their contracts, if it goes that far. (I’m not saying I want to see that happen or any of them lose their positions). -
Following
Why Did The CDC Change Its Definition Of Vaccination?
Rather than be Lonely
Delusional Biden Admin Front-Runs Recessionary GDP Print… By Redefining Recession
As sure as the sun rises and sets each day, the technical and widely used definition of “recession” in the financial world has been agreed upon by nearly everybody in the industry and both sides of the political aisle for decades.
That definition, of course, is “a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters”.
Usually, when it pops up under the dictionary definition of the word (as the first use, nonetheless) on the Silicon Valley-based and left-leaning censorship factory known as Google’s dictionary, it’s safe to say it is widely accepted.
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The war in Ukraine is in its sixth month, and there’s no end in sight.
Here’s what we know…
Almost everything you heard about the war in Ukraine from U.S. media over the course of March, April and May was a lie.
You heard that Putin was losing the war.
You heard that Russians had poor training and low morale and were deserting in droves. You heard that Ukrainians were destroying Russian armor in large numbers to blunt the Russian advance.
None of this was true.
In fact, Russian troops have achieved major victories in Mariupol, Kherson, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk and other key targets that control rivers, ports and junctions in Ukraine.
U.S. Willing to Fight Russia to the Last Ukrainian
This article isn’t about strategy and I don’t want to get too deeply into the weeds, but Russia’s next targets are Slovyansk and Bakhmut, which will consolidate Russia’s control over the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.
Russia has also deployed anti-drone laser systems that have neutralized Ukraine’s ability to target Russian positions with drones. The endgame is the takeover of Odessa, which would give Russia control of 100% of Ukraine’s coastlines along the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea.
A negotiated settlement that cedes Russian control over Crimea and the Russian-speaking parts of eastern Ukraine is probably the most realistic solution available to end the war. But the U.S. doesn’t want the war to end. Its plan is to wear Russia down through a protracted conflict, no matter how much the Ukrainian people suffer.
The battlefield situation aside, the story is even worse from the U.S. perspective…
Blowback!
Russia is not just winning the war on the ground. It’s winning the global financial and economic war launched by Biden and our European allies.
Russia’s revenues from oil and natural gas exports are at all-time highs. The Russian ruble is much stronger today than it was when the war began. China and India are buying all the Russian oil that Europe is refusing to buy.
Meanwhile, the economies of the U.S. and the EU are in or very near to recession. Inflation is out of control in the West. Commodity shortages will lead quickly to food shortages and more empty shelves in supermarkets.
Across the board, Biden’s economic sanctions have backfired and are hurting the U.S. and Europe far more than they are hurting Russia.
Not Pro-Russian, But Pro-Truth
I’ve been reporting honestly on the war since the beginning. My readers have not been misled by false reporting because I’ve been candid about the real impact of sanctions and Russia’s brutal but effective battlefield tactics.
It’s not that I’m pro-Russian — I’m not. I’m pro-truth. And I don’t defend the Russian invasion in any way (although I do understand it).
Even Bloomberg and The New York Times are now starting to admit that the war is a lost cause for Ukraine and the U.S. economy is suffering from sanctions aimed at Russia. But it’s a little late for legacy media to get their story straight.
What we know right now is the economic damage to the U.S. economy will get much worse before the economy gets better. Biden won’t stop the sanctions soon. That means the trashing of the U.S. economy will continue.
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Just as an aside.
We had pre-booked and paid for return flights BNE —> PER, which we had to cancel. Total cost for the two of us was under $600.
Forced to rebook, my flight last night was $971 (that’s economy; no meal) and my wife’s will be $850, economy, no meal.
But hey, no-one’s taking advantage of the situation!
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Russia has also deployed anti-drone laser systems that have neutralized Ukraine’s ability to target Russian positions with drones. The endgame is the takeover of Odessa, which would give Russia control of 100% of Ukraine’s coastlines along the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea.
But Vlad only wanted the Eastern, more Russia like provinces, right?
Right?
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OldOzzie says:
July 25, 2022 at 10:37 pm..
Out of all the reasons to continue fighting, I think the one where the enemy wants to dismember your country, seize the resource rich parts and the coastline and ports that allow you to export your main crops, is probably one of the the least crap excuses.
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Why do you even bother though Dover? Putin has said he doesn’t even consider Ukraine to be a country and he has lunatics singing about bombing America, then he has his pet mongrel Dugin, who he refuses to cut ties with.
If you take the old referendum to be the basis of anything, Putin’s claims are legitimately small, not large and apply it elsewhere and the Irish for example can walk in and take most of Ulster by force.
Then they can start bombing London again.
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Rockdoctor
Sorry on site working but this drew me from lurking.
My dads ashes would be turning. He was a Sea Eagles fan…
V’landys is turning the NRL into a joke and getting a bit full off himself as well by the looks recently
I love the Sea Eagles but this is horrifying. I have spent most of the evening on their supporters forum arguing the case for the Christian islanders. Apart from a couple of stand outs most fans don’t support their stand and many want them sacked. Some of the opposition to them (small amount) is racist and the most common words chucked around are “racist” “haters” “homophobic” and “bigot”. Little respect for their conviction.
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The war in Ukraine isn’t a function of the “globo homo” regime as some would like to refer to it.
Western interests remain Western interests no matter the regime in charge here.
Whether we are currently ruled over by a cartel of big tech, rainbow unicorn riding smurfs and fascist lesbians or by a Holy Alliance of Light, Goodness and MAGA, Western interests will never include allowing Putin to start chewing up the states bordering his own. -
Apart from a couple of stand outs most fans don’t support their stand and many want them sacked.
Are these fair dinkum fans?
Are they chatting with their club membership number or something? Or can anybody join & chat, say 20 “fan accounts” per club management & members of the waffen ssm Australia wide, dialling in to sway opinion? -
The comments at the Oz and the Tele definitely support them but probably most of them, like myself, are not actually Manly fans. Hard core fans priority is obviously to win and place that above the players objection.
The ridiculous part of the story is that Manly just assumed all players would go along with wearing the jersey and dud not consult before going ahead.
Team management have ruined the morale and split the team in an attempt to virtue signal.When will organisations realise that it is best not to get into the “woke” area.
“Apart from a couple of stand outs most fans don’t support their stand and many want them sacked”
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Tinter:
Do you think that might’ve been Scott Morrison’s problem? ‘Twas the advisors? My beloved Sunbather and I had a rather robust discussion on this very topic-he trying to defend the ham-fisted oaf, whilst I used some rather choice adjectives like duplicitous, lyin’ smug-faced, under-bitten, fake-Christian rat-fink who pulled the national cabinet out of his corpulent fundament and rogered the nation. It went very quiet after that.
How odd! Can you think of anything that would have triggered the reaction?
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H B Bearsays:
July 25, 2022 at 9:04 pm
The sandhills behind Swanbourne are … ummm … interesting. Apparently.Were interesting. I read that many of the SASR families lived near them and their children would play there. When the fathers found out what was going on, they took care of the participants.
No more problems.
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