Open Thread – Tues 16 Aug 2022


Mount Aetna from Taormina, Thomas Cole, 1843

2,016 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 16 Aug 2022”

  1. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Post-Roe Florida Follows Its Laws, Yet the Death Merchants Still Have Conniption Fits

    Like many red states, Florida prepared its laws for the consequences of a post-Roe world. Those laws are being put to the test now, in this case of a 10-weeks pregnant 16-year old ward of the state seeking an abortion.

    From NBC News:

    A pregnant and parentless 16-year-old in Florida may be forced to give birth after an appeals court ruled she was not “sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy.”

    The teenager, who is identified in court papers as Jane Doe 22-B, was appealing a decision by Circuit Judge Jennifer Frydrychowicz on Aug. 10 that blocked her from having an abortion without the consent of a parent or guardian, as required by Florida law.

    At the time, the teenager was 10 weeks pregnant, the court papers state.

    But the three-judge panel of the state’s 1st District Court of Appeal, which covers northern Florida, sided Monday, for the most part, with Frydrychowicz.

    The teenager “had not established by clear and convincing evidence that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy,” the ruling by Judges Harvey Jay, Rachel Nordby and Scott Makar, states. “Having reviewed the record, we affirm the trial court’s decision under the deferential standard of appellate review set out (in the consent law).”

    There’s lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth going on by the death merchants, their allies, and stupid people who do not understand states’ rights, especially because the states are not upholding the right to kill your baby at any age, for any reason.

    Newsflash: The Dobbs Supreme Court decision which overturned Roe v. Wade took the lawmaking on abortion out of the federal government’s hands and placed it back into the states’ hands. So, the United States has nothing to do with it, but the state of Florida certainly does.

    Florida voters approved a constitutional amendment in 2004 that cleared the way for the state Legislature to pass a law requiring that parents or guardians be notified before minors have abortions.

    But because some minors faced possible abuse if their parents found out they’re pregnant, Florida lawmakers also included a legal process that made it possible for them to go to court to get around the rules.

    Then in June of 2020, Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is also a Republican, signed SB 404, legislation which requires written consent from a minor’s parent or legal guardian for an abortion.

    According to this same NBC News article, Jane Doe 22-B is a ward of the state, who had been appointed a legal guardian.

    The “guardian is fine with what [she] wants to do” the teenager claimed, according to [Judge Scott] Makar.

    So, why doesn’t the appointed guardian just write a letter affirming this? According to Florida law, that’s all that would be required for Jane Doe 22-B to obtain the abortion she purportedly wants.

    The one dissenting judge on the First District Court of Appeals panel, Judge Scott Makar, is also curious.

    So once again, why doesn’t the relative or the appointed guardian sign a letter stating they are giving Jane Doe 22-B permission to obtain the abortion? Why is no one in the legacy media asking this question or seeking the answer to it?

    The Miami Herald gives a bit more information, but is also as clueless as NBC News on Jane Doe 22-B’s state of mind, and what factors may have caused her to seek the reversal of Judge Frydrychowicz’s decision:

    First, Jane Doe 22-B indicated to Frydrychowicz that she was open to having the child; somewhere in this process (unclear of when) she changed her mind. This could well be interpreted as a lack of maturity to deal with the consequences of a pregnancy termination. Somehow, Makar disagreed.

    So, both pro-life and pro-abortion activists and advocates are watching the outcome of this case closely.

    It always amazes me that the same people crying that guns should not be in the hands of anyone younger than 21 years of age are also demanding that 16 year olds have the right to abortion, and three year olds are mature enough to choose their gender and should have access to puberty blockers without parental consent.

    It is this schizophrenic reasoning (or lack thereof) that compounds the already difficult circumstances of Jane Doe 22-B.

    A long an interesting read on what I have scrolled past and I assume refers to this!

  2. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Frydrychowicz

    Id like to buy a vowel.

  3. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    sfw says:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    Check the overflow valve? Mine was constantly purging into a flowerbed and the hot water component of the bill tripled as a result.

  4. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    sfw says:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    For comparison, our average usage is 31kWH per day and there are five of us in an all-electric house (with a pool, so filter to run). Our HWS is an outdoor 315 litre so your daily usage of 47kWH per day seems a lot. (We are in Brisbane so winter night time temp is very cool, but not outright cold).

    I presume you don’t leave lights on unnecessarily, turn off (at the wall) unneeded appliances etc including TV.

  5. Winston Smith Avatar

    Speedbox:

    The US DoD are so concerned they have provided Lynas Corp (ASX:LYC) with $US120m to assist in the building of a heavy rare earth separation facility in the US.

    Bruce O’Newk has spoken of this on multiple occasions – rare earths aren’t all that rare, the issue is the separation and refining of them. Mind you, if anyone can get rid of the need for thousands of chemists to do this, the US should be able to win a substantial slice of the market.

  6. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    LAW – How much, really, changes post-Roe?

    Pay no heed to the crazy all-or-nothing screeds and science fiction fears

  7. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    10% for “The Big Guy”

    price has gone up since becoming potus, now its 60%

  8. Woolfe Avatar
    Woolfe

    Russians displaying a sad looking bushmaster at a Moscow military show along with other captured units.

  9. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Frydrychowicz

    Id like to buy a vowel.

    I thought it must have been a Biden appointee who has had to go under the name he used in order to work.

  10. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Speedboxsays:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:29 pm
    sfw says:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    For comparison, our average usage is 31kWH per day and there are five of us in an all-electric house (with a pool, so filter to run)

    7 person household – 2 houses – 2 Gas H/W Systems, but rest all electric including Pool & Spa pump, electric motors on Gas Central Heat and Indoor Heater, kids leave lights on their part of the house 36.7Kw Daily Average July 22

  11. Winston Smith Avatar

    Frank:

    asraminerals; if it turns out to be legit, wonder if the government would step in and kibosh the deal if the Chinese were to step in and try to buy them out.

    …or pay off enough of the locals to kick up a stink and refuse the mining. It would be worthwhile for the Chinese to sabotage any further growth of the RE industry not under their control.
    Mind you, it would be worth chucking $10K at it for the gold and the chance of a buyout/takeover.
    OK – $5K. and that’s my final offer.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Daily Mail.

    Farewell to a hero: One of Australia’s last surviving ‘Rats of Tobruk’ – the legendary diggers who held their own against Hitler and Mussolini in a 241-day siege – dies aged 102

    One of the last surviving ‘Rats of Tobruk’ has passed away at the age of 102
    Dennis Davis was one of Australia’s oldest living World War II heroes
    He fought with 14,000 other diggers in the 1941 siege of Tobruk, Libya

  13. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The US DoD are so concerned they have provided Lynas Corp (ASX:LYC) with $US120m to assist in the building of a heavy rare earth separation facility in the US.

    Yeah, as Winston says, it’s the process complexity which is the problem. I recall that Mountain Pass operates a plant in the US based on their own mine, but for both they and Lynas the issue will be subsidies for the operation cost of the refineries. Which will be hefty because of labour costs, and not helped by the lack of much metallurgical process industry in the US. They might be able to get Canadian chemical engineers perhaps, since Canada has a fair uranium sector and a nickel sector, so there’d be experienced SX people they could chase.

  14. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    Winston Smith says:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:30 pm
    Bruce O’Newk has spoken of this on multiple occasions – rare earths aren’t all that rare, the issue is the separation and refining of them.

    And he’s correct. There is a reasonable likelihood that there are rare earths in your back garden if you should choose to dig it up. But, you will need a lot of raw material (dirt) to extract the necessary rare earths. Globally, its believed that about 50 billion tonnes of dirt are mined to extract the current requirement of rare elements. That extraction will grow to about 140 billion tonnes by 2050 (if not before). The separation and processing is where the Chinese have a significant head-start on the West but that gap is closing.

    Note: Check with your local Council before digging a gigantic hole in your backyard with the intent of shipping the dirt off for processing. They may have some regulation prohibiting that operation. Also, the State and Federal governments will have their hand out for royalties. 🙂

  15. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    There seemed to be some confusion at that Twatter thread over FTE’s, as in the IRS recruiting 87,000 FTE’s.

    They seem to be saying FTE stands for Full Time Employee. Certainly in Australia it stands for Full Time Equivalent – so if you have two people on half shifts they are calculated as one FTE. Which means that 87,000 FTE’s is actually more than 87,000 employees.

    In any event, it is amazing that they think such a extreme escalation in the tax-gathering apparatus would be accepted with no ado.

    The Biden regime is very cosy with its millionaires and billionaires. They are not going to send 80,000 armed agents to target one billionaire. They are going to send them to 80,000 little people.

  16. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    paulsperry
    @paulsperry

    1. Where is the May subpoena for Mar-a-Lago records, and where is the June inventory receipt the FBI would have given Trump lawyers Corcoran & Bobb, who VOLUNTARILY handed over docs from Trump’s storage to investigators?

    Let’s see those docs, along with the affidavit

    2. And where is the June subpoena and inventory receipt the FBI would have furnished Trump’s lawyers who VOLUNTARILY handed over surveillance footage to investigators?

    Let’s see those docs too

    If these documents or references to them are missing from the affidavit for the August search warrant, then the FBI omitted exculpatory evidence of prior Trump cooperation from the court, which would be a fraud on the court similar to the fraud on the FISA court the FBI committed in the Crossfire Hurricane case

    Posted on 3:05 AM · Aug 19th, 2022

  17. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    paulsperry
    @paulsperry

    Now come the CYA redactions by the Biden DOJ in the case of the Raiders of the Lost Archives

    BREAKING: FEC records reveal DOJ Official Jay Bratt running the Mar-a-Lago investigation and arguing against release of the search warrant affidavit has donated at least $800 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC

  18. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    The FBI (and the judge) wants release of the affidavit and subpoena delayed so they can shape the battlefield by leaking their version of events without being countered.

    “… the government argued. “As the Court is aware from its review of the affidavit, it contains, among other critically important and detailed investigative facts: highly sensitive information about witnesses, including witnesses interviewed by the government.”

    The very next day, within 24 hours, the Times published an article exposing “Pat A. Cipollone and Patrick F. Philbin, the White House counsel and his deputy under President Donald J. Trump,” as the very witnesses whose identity the Department of Justice said it wanted to protect”.

    Shame the FBI or Abuses Will Escalate

  19. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    “Legit or not?”

    FWIW, I’ve seen a signed version on White House paper, available somewhere on the web.

  20. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    This is probably the best read you will have all day

    (unless you are a person who reads all my wiity, intelligent and good looking posts)

    Glenn Greenwald and a number of people have referenced it.

    https://outsidevoices.substack.com/p/author-of-the-mega-viral-thread-on/comments

    It does do a good deep dive into why people think the American election was gamed/cheated to install a geriatric whos hair plugs have finally started growing inwards.

    a tiny sample.
    RTWT

    Even the judiciary had forfeited its credibility with these voters because of the opposition’s embrace of political violence. Trump supporters say, with good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? Maybe most judges would do their jobs, but given the events of the last four years it’s not an unreasonable concern, and the concern itself is enough to cast the whole system in doubt. Again, we know, thanks to Time Magazine, that riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump had won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. The Chamber of Commerce took the threat of a second round of destruction of its members’ property seriously enough to offer its assistance to the “well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information” – Time’s words, not mine.

  21. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    OldOzzie says:
    August 19, 2022 at 3:38 pm

    Yes. The figures quoted are very recent (this month) and reflect winter usage. During summer, we drop into the mid 20s for kWH due to no use of heaters.

    sfw – just taking OldOzzie and myself as examples, there is obviously an issue with your consumption rate. Unless your growing a crop of illicit plants to explain the usage, maybe a new hot water service (assuming that is the primary cause).

  22. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Check the overflow valve?

    sometimes just the insulation can become water-logged if water gets in from outside

    and also potential to leak inside from the vessel or fittings in behind the insulated jacket.

    old units used to have glass wool insulation but newer ones have polystyrene

    see if you can get something between the vessel and the jacket and see if it comes out wet

    check if the bottom of the housing is rusted out

    look out for spiders

  23. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    POMPEO’S MODEST PROPOSAL – Pompeo Presses Biden To Deny Iranian President a US Visa, Citing Active Terror Plots

    Former secretary of state joins advocates, Republican lawmakers in pressure campaign to block Raisi visit

    I have been exercised about assassination plots and other efforts undertaken by the Iranian regime to commit murder on American soil. The Biden administration is now poised to grant Iranian president Ebrahim Raisi a visa to attend United Nations ceremonies next month even as the regime plots to kill former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former National Security Advisor. Only last week the Biden Department of Justice unsealed the indictment of an IRGC operative seeking to engineer their assassination.

    Secretary Pompeo doesn’t seem to take it as personally as I would, but he is calling on the Biden administration to deny Raisi a visa, citing Tehran’s active plots to assassinate him and other Americans officials. Pompeo told the Washington Free Beacon’s Adam Kredo: “We worked for four years to deny Iranian terrorists the freedom to put Americans at risk. This administration is allowing them to come to New York City while actively engaged in efforts to kill Americans on U.S. soil. The Iranians just recently sponsored an attack that was almost successful in killing an American in that very city. We can do better.”

    That seems to me the least that can be said, but it is worth saying and worth noting. Whole thing here.

    Quotable quote: “The State Department would not respond to additional questions from the Free Beacon about the assassination plots and precautions it may be taking with regards to the Iranian diplomatic delegation.”

  24. Winston Smith Avatar

    Anyone else seen this?
    It seems to be addressing one problem and unaddressing another.
    Perhaps it’s just my comprehension of it.

  25. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    “… a fraud on the court similar to the fraud on the FISA court the FBI committed in the Crossfire Hurricane case.”

    In the case of the Carter Page FISA warrants, the FBI fought a vigorous battle to protect the supporting affidavits from public view. No wonder. While it claimed then that it was merely protecting “sources and methods,” it turned out that its sources included the debunked Steele dossier procured by Hillary Clinton and its “methods” included lying to the FISA court to get the warrant.

    The FBI’s most flagrant lie to the FISA court was its certification that intrusive electronic surveillance was the only way the FBI could gather information about Page’s Russia-related activities. Worse yet, when the Justice Department finally did cough up a sacrificial lamb, Kevin Clinesmith, he revealed during a court hearing that he had informed his unidentified and still uncharged superiors of the fabricated FISA court evidence and they chose to file it anyway.

    That’s why prompt release of the affidavit and subpoena are so critical this time and why the FBI’s protestations ring so false.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Rumor has it some very good drilling results are on the way.
    asraminerals

    Just been looking at the presentation they have on their website. (See the pdf link.)
    Grade in drillcore is about 0.1% TREO, which is very low compared to Lynas at about 5%.
    So if it was 50 times that it might be worthwhile, or if it is upgradable, but they mention clay hosted, which doesn’t sound promising for upgradability.

    Sorry to be a wet blanket. I’ve had friends who’ve invested in much better projects which have lost a lot of money. They sound like a decent gold play though if you’re into such companies.

    (Lynas is monazite, which is a tough mineral, the Asra one would likely be easier. However Browns is still sitting undeveloped despite lots of pilot plant work. It’s a HREE play also.)

  27. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Thanks Bruce.
    The hobo at the pubs rumor is of a very large change in the % of rare earths on the next drill results.
    Its a penny dreadful so Ive only chucked beer money at it, nothing that will hurt.

    TO THE MOOOON!!!

  28. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Those 87 000 IRS agents. Tucker Carlson was going on about how the IRS only has 78 000 employees at the moment which puts it in a different light.

  29. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    A FIVE-year-old Darwin girl who was allegedly abducted and hidden by a conspiracy group has been found.

    Police allege Grace Hughes was taken from an address at Hidden Valley Rd, Berrimah at 1pm on Sunday, August 7.

    Neither her or her mother were seen for 12 days.

    NT Police said a group had claimed to have abducted Grace and were allegedly hiding her and her mother.

    On Friday Police confirmed the missing girl has been located.

    Police said Grace was receiving a medical check but was physically in good health.

    “Police would like to thank those members of our community who provided information that helped us to find Grace,” a spokesman said.

    More details are expected later this afternoon.

    A police spokesman said her mother, Laura Hinks was assisting police with their inquiries.

  30. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    thefrollickingmole says:
    August 19, 2022 at 4:17 pm
    Its a penny dreadful so Ive only chucked beer money at it, nothing that will hurt.

    Beer money eh? So it wasn’t you that splurged about $25k on 1.5 million shares earlier today? Come on, fess up.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A police spokesman said her mother, Laura Hinks was assisting police with their inquiries.

    Didn’t that used to involve a telephone book?

  32. calli Avatar
    calli

    Older mums and Bunnings playgrounds were mentioned up thread. And rundown batteries.

    I have to say that Miss Six and Master Three are a handful, here to stay for the weekend. Full time care of young children is exhausting, but lots of fun. We unpack all the old toys from their parents’ era – the old wooden dolls house is always a hit, it belonged to their aunts.

    Their father has already phoned to make sure we are surviving. Not sure what he thinks they’ll do to us.

  33. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Beer money eh? So it wasn’t you that splurged about $25k on 1.5 million shares earlier today? Come on, fess up.

    Sumerian mead, a very nice is somewhat pricey drop of beer?

  34. calli Avatar
    calli

    No “rare earths” here. The place was mined to within an inch of its life. It’s all I can do to keep up trace elements to the garden.

  35. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Bertman highlights this in quoting the Sumerian proverb which maintains, “He who does not know beer, does not know what is good” and how there were over 70 varieties of beer in Babylon alone

  36. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    Calli – try next door or down the road. If their not already out there with a shovel and wheelbarrow of course.

  37. m0nty Avatar

    Stop pretending anyone apart from yourself is committing logical fallacies. You have either said or implied that the embryo and fetus are not persons without providing any reasons. You’ve merely asserted it. Not good enough.

    Okay, so here you are supporting fetal personhood, fine…

    ‘Full legal rights’ is a red herring. The relevant right is protection from deliberate destruction, which was available even in pre-Christian Rome to some extent and was certainly afforded later and has certainly been a part of Western law for over a millennia. Pretending otherwise is just absurd.

    And yet here you run away from fetal personhood.

    “Protection from deliberate destruction” is not a thing. You just made that up. You are not being a serious interlocutor.

    Your position is irrelevant anyway, as the only people prosecuting anything like your position are Republican lawmakers, and they have subtly different priorities to you. Specifically, they do believe in fetal personhood, and their plan involves making that law. You may not want to defend their position, but that’s the only game in town so if you don’t want to play then have a seat.

  38. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    the only people prosecuting anything like your position are Republican lawmakers

    which ones ?

  39. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    No “rare earths” here. The place was mined to within an inch of its life. It’s all I can do to keep up trace elements to the garden.

    Um, Calli, I think you might be mistaken… 😀

    Sand miners take the ilmenite and rutile and put the monazite back into the pond. The monazite has in it the rare earths and the thorium, which being slightly radioactive is a nuisance they can live without. Especially since there’s basically no market for it.

  40. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    “Protection from deliberate destruction” is not a thing. You just made that up. You are not being a serious interlocutor.

    To the tune of rip rip woodchip…
    Whack whack yard rake
    smack him in the face yah
    smack him in the chin
    No facts today
    Montys dreaming
    Can’t you hear the screaming
    reality just runs away….

    That will be news to Oxford academic press.
    https://academic.oup.com/book/1848/chapter-abstract/141576848?redirectedFrom=fulltext
    This chapter considers the scope of the crime of child destruction,

    Not to mention the federal government…
    https://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/rp/rp9899/99rp01#child

    Child Destruction

    The lawfulness of abortion in every State and Territory of Australia, except New South Wales and possibly Tasmania, is also affected by a separate crime of ‘child destruction.’ This crime only applies to abortions performed late in pregnancy.

    The crime of child destruction generally carries more severe penalties than the crime of unlawful abortion.

  41. calli Avatar
    calli

    You mean I’m sitting on a goldmine (figuratively speaking)?

    I have a couple of handy, energetic slaves staying over. Time to hop to it.

  42. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    The weekend is here. Yabba Dabba Doooooooo!!!

  43. JC Avatar
    JC

    Fatboy, when do you think a baby become a person? Would you say 3o days after traveling through the birth canal? Tell us.

  44. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Specifically, they do believe in fetal personhood, and their plan involves making that law.

    ROFLMAO. m0nty-fa has an inside line to Republicans. I wonder is that like the inside line he seems to have to DemonRat talking points?

  45. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Fatboy, when do you think a baby become a person?

    mutley still hasnt transitioned from a baby

  46. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    A QLD snake catcher collected three bags of snake skins (32 in all; there were some he couldn’t reach) from the roof space of a house in the Sunshine Coast hinterland.

    “This is typical of a Queensland roof, perhaps not this many skins per house but very common to have a snake or three in your roof at some point,” he said.

    “If you’re new to the area: welcome to Queensland guys.”

    “It’s full of snakes but don’t worry, they won’t chase you or be a problem.”

  47. Morsie Avatar
    Morsie

    Just got an email from my local Liberal candidate who is replacing Tim Smith.The email lists policies which are indistinguishable from the Greens or Labor.
    Wrote back suggesting
    1.Go nuclear
    2.rescind ban on gas exploration
    3 Appoint a competent leader.
    Also advised that I would not vote Liberal again until there was substantive change.I will be interested to see if I get a response.

  48. JC Avatar
    JC

    whoops becomes..

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “It’s full of snakes but don’t worry, they won’t chase you or be a problem.”

    Don’t worry, they also keep the mice under control.

  50. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    …they also keep the mice under control.

    A point made by a few commenters on the story.

  51. dover0beach Avatar

    Okay, so here you are supporting fetal personhood, fine…

    Not at all. You keep referring to person even though I’m quite happy to only talk about human beings. All I’m doing in the above is asking you to provide reasons for your denial re the child in utero given you think it is important to distinguish between human beings and persons.

    “Protection from deliberate destruction” is not a thing. You just made that up. You are not being a serious interlocutor.

    I’m not being serious? Can you tell me what an abortion is if it isn’t the deliberate destruction of the child in utero? All you’ve done for two days is dance around avoiding straightforward questions because you have no idea what you are talking about beyond regurgitating pro-abort positions you’ve read but barely understood in Salon or Politico. How hard can it be for someone such as yourself who spends all this energy promoting the licitness of killing the child in utero to actually articulate and defend that position in a discussion? It shouldn’t be this hard and yet your studied avoidance suggests you understand that it is fundamentally weak and unconvincing, so you prefer to just bang the table harder.

  52. m0nty Avatar

    LOL, mole refers to one ten-year-old book discussing a 90-year-old English law which was superseded by a 1967 abortion law, and a 20+-year-old round up of Australian abortion law… which is severely outdated since most states passed major laws in the interim.

    As I said, “protection of deliberate destruction” is not a phrase used in any law. “Child destruction” used to be a thing in some fusty old laws, but only to refer to a small subsection of near-birth procedures, which is not really what we are talking about.

  53. Winston Smith Avatar

    Bruce O’Newk:
    They sound like a decent gold play though if you’re into such companies.
    I was looking at the two clusters of gold at Mt Stirling and wondering what was between them and along those faults.
    As they say, good infrastructure nearby and the King of the Hill mine processing viable grades from U/G mining make the Mt Stirling Project worth a $5K roll of the dice as a target for a takeover.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Winston – I can’t comment as I lost interest in gold a long time ago! The metallurgy is pretty straight forward. So I don’t look at what gold miners are up to. REE are much more fun.

  55. m0nty Avatar

    Not at all. You keep referring to person even though I’m quite happy to only talk about human beings. All I’m doing in the above is asking you to provide reasons for your denial re the child in utero given you think it is important to distinguish between human beings and persons.

    You are the one who started referring to human beings. I still don’t get what you think is the difference between a human being and a person. I asked you to explain, but of course you won’t because you’re relying on the fuzziness of your language to hide your intentions.

    I’m not being serious? Can you tell me what an abortion is if it isn’t the deliberate destruction of the child in utero? All you’ve done for two days is dance around avoiding straightforward questions because you have no idea what you are talking about beyond regurgitating pro-abort positions you’ve read but barely understood in Salon or Politico. How hard can it be for someone such as yourself who spends all this energy promoting the licitness of killing the child in utero to actually articulate and defend that position in a discussion? It shouldn’t be this hard and yet your studied avoidance suggests you understand that it is fundamentally weak and unconvincing, so you prefer to just bang the table harder.

    There you go again. Every time you beg the question by saying “child”.

    As I have stated before (but you ignored), there is no definitive answer as to when a zygote becomes a person. That is a matter for frizzy-haired professors to ponder. What is abundantly clear, however, is that a zygote is not a person with all of the legal protections that implies. All of our laws point to that conclusion – yes, even the child destruction ones. Your continued denial of this point is the basis of your argument.

    I think we’ve bashed this topic enough, I will cede the OT to other pursuits.

  56. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    “Child destruction” used to be a thing in some fusty old laws

    You claimed there was no such thing.
    were you lying, ignorant or stupid?

    Lets roll the tape.
    “Protection from deliberate destruction” is not a thing. You just made that up.

    But monty knows better than any number of scholarly tomes, governments etc. Note none of the ones Im linking are from what he would consider ‘ratbag” sources.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4913745/

    or

    Those horrible North-North American right wing nazibots.*

    Killing unborn child in act of birth

    238 (1) Every one who causes the death, in the act of birth, of any child that has not become a human being, in such a manner that, if the child were a human being, he would be guilty of murder, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life.

    (2) This section does not apply to a person who, by means that, in good faith, he considers necessary to preserve the life of the mother of a child, causes the death of that child.

    * Canadians.

  57. m0nty Avatar

    You claimed there was no such thing.

    I did not. “Protection from deliberate destruction” is a phrase, and db was trying to say that it was a term of law. It is not. “Child destruction” is a different phrase. It is a term of law.

    You are not good at nitpicking, are you mole?

  58. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    The fat creep seems to have a lot of time on its hands.

    Regarding Trumble…
    This was the first action of the new Turnbull government.

    The whole WEF plan for the collapse of the western nations through energy deprivation, starvation and economic collapse is premised on “dangerous green-house gasses,” if a maverick leader in one targetted nation doesn’t go along with the plan he will be removed.

    Spot on. Sounds like little Johnny hoWARd was in on this too considering his encouragement of Trumble. As someone else said Australia is a one party state with competing factions.

  59. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    since most states passed major laws in the interim

    which laws, mUnty?

  60. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    As I have stated before (but you ignored), there is no definitive answer as to when a zygote becomes a person.

    A scientifically unwarranted obfuscation.

    A zygote is, according to biology, something new.

    With all the potentialities of a human being.

  61. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0nty-fa

    which is not really what we are talking about.

    You might not wish to involve yourself, but the pro-aborts spent the years after R v W, gradually expanding the criteria from “before viability” to at any time, for any reason (including up to the time of birth, and sex selections, which predominantly affect females, a group for which you profess great concern). Then there ware the various “ethicists” who have been on about “post-birth abortion” for years.

    If you want to be taken seriously, you cannot ignore these issues. There can be absolutely no doubt that the same gradual expansion of the criteria will continue, as will the push for “post-birth abortion”. This will occur particularly in the US Blue states. Do you support or oppose this?

  62. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    That is a matter for frizzy-haired professors to ponder.

    which professors, mUnty?

  63. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    “post-birth abortion” some creepy ‘philosophers’ at Melbourne Uni (aka the Parkville asylum) where very hot for it a few years ago.

  64. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    “Child destruction” is a different phrase. It is a term of law.

    which law, mUnty?

  65. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    As someone else said Australia is a one party state with competing factions.

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that by the end of the decade things will be quite different.

  66. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    the mong doesn’t confine the fantasy to football does he?

    what a shit-talker

  67. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    I did not. “Protection from deliberate destruction” is a phrase, and db was trying to say that it was a term of law. It is not. “Child destruction” is a different phrase. It is a term of law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_destruction
    with intent to destroy the life of a child capable of being born alive“..

    Much difference.
    Wow.
    Much Impressed.

    Monty take your L, at this stage its like you are wallowing in your own stupid.

  68. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Dan Bongino noted that when the DOJ wanted to recover some personal details from slick willy in 2012 the court held that the President’s discretion to declare material personal was largely unchallengeable and such material could not be claimed by the DOJ. There’s just so much that is wrong about the Mar-a-Lago raid that I’m just a bit optimistic about it.

    But then this:

    Former Trump Org. CFO Executive Allen Weisselberg Pleads Guilty to Charges Related to Tax Crimes in New York State Judicial Persecution

    The tax scheme felony was free parking at Trump’s NY parking station and the poor bastard pleaded guilty for a crime usually subject to fines, because the black kunt prosecuting is using him to get at Trump and threatened his family

  69. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that by the end of the decade things will be quite different.

    hope so- the miserable primary votes for the uni pardies suggest such a trend. Still too many freedom parties- UAP, PHON, LDP, SFF, Yellow Vests etc etc.

  70. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    GreyRanga says:
    August 19, 2022 at 12:07 pm
    Top level coaching is basically getting dickheads to play together. By the the time the dickheads have got to the top level the coach doesn’t teach them new skills apart from what goes on in their heads and that ain’t a lot.

    It’s an interesting exercise to apply that theory to the Wallabies.
    The current and last few coaches have made no impact on their poor handling skills, inferior kicking tactics, tackling technique, and game awareness.
    I agree with what you say GR and I’d argue that unless the basics can be done properly, unhesitatingly, and all the time then it’s irrelevant how good the coach’s game plan is.

  71. m0nty Avatar

    No one cares what ethicists think. Peter Singer was a nutcase. I haven’t come across any of them worth listening to.

  72. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    The greens really are another faction on the uniparty.

  73. dover0beach Avatar

    You are the one who started referring to human beings. I still don’t get what you think is the difference between a human being and a person. I asked you to explain, but of course you won’t because you’re relying on the fuzziness of your language to hide your intentions.

    Here you go again avoiding having to defend your position. I mean, pretending that my using the term human beings is some how inappropriate is just beyond words.

    There you go again. Every time you beg the question by saying “child”.

    I said child in utero. Using that term doesn’t beg the question. Stop making a fool of yourself.

    As I have stated before (but you ignored), there is no definitive answer as to when a zygote becomes a person. That is a matter for frizzy-haired professors to ponder. What is abundantly clear, however, is that a zygote is not a person with all of the legal protections that implies.

    We are not only talking about the stage of human development when the child in utero is a zygote, but also an embryo, and fetus as well. And, again, unless you provide reasons articulating why the human being as a zygote, embryo, or fetus is underserving of the protection of the law your assertion remains unconvincing.

    I did not. “Protection from deliberate destruction” is a phrase, and db was trying to say that it was a term of law. It is not. “Child destruction” is a different phrase. It is a term of law.

    You’re lying here. I never said it was a term of law, I used a phrase describing what an abortion is and noted that for over a millennia there were laws outlawing the deliberate destruction of the child while in the womb. Dobbs actually provides a decent summary of those laws, referencing Bracton, Coke, and Blackstone, among others but you could go back to Justinian, and frankly, even further back.

  74. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Luigi issues a new, approved, pix of Federal cabinet to prove all his ministry is for “real’ .. LOL!
    https://ibb.co/3m0Hs8n

  75. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    hope so- the miserable primary votes for the uni pardies suggest such a trend.

    Labor, on 32%, is unlikely to form government in their own right again.

  76. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I had some time for Harris once; his book The End of Faith is not only insightful, it is courageous. That a guy who could write such a book, and then in this interview reveal himself to be so damningly unaware of what Trump is and what he represents is schizophrenic. I really can’t understand how he can be so, and let’s not mince words, fucking stupid and elitist.

  77. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Labor, on 32%, is unlikely to form government in their own right again.

    Elbow seems to grasp their predicament.

    In response, he’s adopted Whitlam’s “crash through or crash” strategy.

    Hedged about with qualifications and lies so as not to scare the swinging voter.

  78. Franx Avatar
    Franx

    Dearoh, for which, read expletive. That person Monty is drearily repetitive in asking the question but then saying that the answer is irrelevant except to those who are fuzzy haired and learned. Faster scrolling called for.

  79. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Faster scrolling called for.

    correct

  80. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    No one cares what ethicists think

    nobody cares what you think about ethicists

    dump your gibberish here?
    you seriously have no sympathetic ear left in your own circles?

    I wonder why

  81. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    August 19, 2022 at 6:33 pm
    No one cares what ethicists think. Peter Singer was a nutcase. I haven’t come across any of them worth listening to.

    Nice diversion, but you are not the one who makes the decisions. How are you going to stop what so far has been a creeping expansion of the “right”. It is now at the “time of birth” stage, and the Singers of this world are working to expand to the next stage.

    Are you willing to accept this near inevitable result? Legalised infanticide?

  82. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Here is a good summary of the Sam Harris interview in which he condones voter fraud to keep Trump out. Other leading demorats also agree. Harris thinks Liz Cheney is not a leftie.

  83. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “I had some time for Harris once; his book The End of Faith is not only insightful, it is courageous. That a guy who could write such a book, and then in this interview reveal himself to be so damningly unaware of what Trump is and what he represents is schizophrenic. I really can’t understand how he can be so, and let’s not mince words, fucking stupid and elitist.”

    Agree. At the end of the day Harris suffers from chronic TDS and it’s consumed him. TDS is a parasite and it gets into your brain and you become maniacal. I liken it to syphilis without the physical symptoms, you become mad and frenzied. Covid is nothing compared to the disease that is TDS. With his obsessive maniacal hatred of Trump, he’s lost friends such as Bret Weinstein and Gad Saad, all because they at least tried to understand the Trump phenomenon but as far as Harris was concerned that was collaborating with Trump.

    However, Sam Harris has been good in standing up to Islam and its apologists. He doesn’t flinch. But with this interview he’s lost all credibility. Sad.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Negative gearing is back with a vengeance

    The tax break loved by property investors and detested by just about everybody else – is expected to rise from $167m in 2020 to more than $6bn a year.

    By James Kirby
    From Business
    2 hours ago
    5 minute read

    Negative gearing – the tax break loved by property investors and detested by just about everybody else – is back with a bang.

    A rapid upsurge in mortgage rates is triggering an explosion of activity from current levels as millions of Australian’s rediscover the biggest tax deduction available to salaried workers.

    New figures just released from the Australian Taxation Office indicate the total cost of negative gearing in our market evaporated during the recent period of rock bottom rates – for the year to June 2020 it hit a minuscule $167m. In contrast, the all-time high for negative gearing was a bumper $9bn in 2007.

    But industry analysts suggest the total this year has already risen more than tenfold and could ultimately rise to somewhere beyond $6bn annually.

    While the wider residential sector monitors the market’s steady – but moderate – drop in house prices, investors have swarmed into the market attracted by the double lure of strong cash income and negative gearing tax breaks.

    This will have all the whingers out, with a vengeance.

  85. sfw Avatar
    sfw

    Thanks for the hot water tips but I picked up the new gas unit this arvo.

  86. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Get a load of the criminal geriatric filth on display heredon’t know who the turd on the left is

  87. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I picked up the new gas unit this arvo

    hope yr gas service is big enough to run it.

  88. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    post-birth abortion” some creepy ‘philosophers’ at Melbourne Uni (aka the Parkville asylum) where very hot for it a few years ago.

    Yes two effing Italians if I recall Albert Guibilini and Francesca Minerva bio-ethicists in a joint effort from Monash and Melbourne Unis -‘post-birth’ abortion a concerpt that scandalised the world of medicalethics at the time but appears to have become de rigeur in western countries outside Europe

  89. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Peter Hitchens used to be ok until he started slagging off about DJT. It’s like someone came along and actually did something about what he was complaining about and Hitchens still wasn’t happy. What a fucking idoit.

  90. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    The whole WEF plan for the collapse of the western nations through energy deprivation, starvation and economic collapse is premised on “dangerous green-house gasses,” if a maverick leader in one targetted nation doesn’t go along with the plan he will be removed

    As so accurately predicted by Lord Monckton in 2015 – “You all need to guard Tony Abbott’s back, because the Turnbull faction, backed by the UN, will be doing their level best to remove your elected Prime Minister.”

    And so it came to pass.

  91. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Melb Uni is the Parkville Asylum and Monash is the sewer.

  92. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Before I retire with a good book, I note the Anglican Church of Australia has this week experienced a schism over the question of the blessing of same sex unions.

    Those refusing to bless such unions are not the schismatics, no matter what the press, the continuing bishops or their court theologians may aver.

  93. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    In response, he’s adopted Whitlam’s “crash through or crash” strategy.
    Hedged about with qualifications and lies so as not to scare the swinging voter.

    Quite like Biden and the Democrats then.
    Trying to run a nation by lies can’t end well.

  94. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Hard to see why negative gearing would be so popular given the outlook for property prices. Rents are a bit of a hedge against inflation but you still need capital appreciation to come out ahead. Am I missing something?

  95. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Am I missing something?

    Perhaps the investors are taking a very long view and expect property prices to ultimately get higher than now, despite short term decreases.
    It’s a gamble.

  96. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Guess the Ethnicity again – Footage shows ‘flash mob’ of looters ransack 7-Eleven in Los Angeles

    Hint – It’s NOT the Amish, it’s the 13 Percenters again!

  97. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    This will have all the whingers out, with a vengeance.

    I’ve been a landlord myself, which I hope will excuse me from being called a whinger, but the present arrangements are no substitute for a housing policy – applied at all three levels of government – which enables working Australians to afford their own home.

  98. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Quite like Biden and the Democrats then.

    They strike me more as being on a spree to make off with anything not nailed down, before everything burns.

  99. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    a concerpt that scandalised the world of medicalethics at the time but appears to have become de rigeur in western countries outside Europe

    And in this increasingly left woke world where mOrons multiply like mold and other obnoxious fungi , if the unborn child manages to avoid the murderous cvnts trying to kill him/her before entering the world, these leftist pieces of utter shit are doing their best to sexualise kids before they can walk and lure them into conditioning programs so their kiddie fiddlers can get a run at them. Do it legally but, by lowering the age of consent to 10.

    The left truly are the most horrible of human garbage. mOron is right at home with them.

  100. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    applied at all three levels of government

    Isn’t that the problem though, the local level is owned by developers and their interests don’t coincide with affordable housing.

  101. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Peter Hitchens used to be ok until he started slagging off about DJT”

    I have a lot of time for Peter Hitchens. His reservations about Trump have never ever been on the same level as someone like Harris. Harris is deranged, Hitchens isn’t. Hitchens is a classic conservative.

  102. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Just watching that arrogant chinless post-turtle, the insufferable Nasty Franklin, do the let-them-eat-cake spiel to all the tradies and farmers, give up your utes and buy an electric vehicle you deplorables!

  103. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Melb Uni is the Parkville Asylum and Monash is the sewer.

    Yep

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ve been a landlord myself, which I hope will excuse me from being called a whinger,

    Sorry, should have been clearer – I refer to those who think negative gearing, and franking credits, are some complicated rort, designed to rip the bread from the mouths of the children of the “battlers.” “Whingers” insist on airing their ignorance in the “comments” sections of the media – “The Age”, and the “Australian” in particular.

  105. P Avatar
    P

    Roger says:
    August 19, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    Before I retire with a good book, I note the Anglican Church of Australia has this week experienced a schism over the question of the blessing of same sex unions.

    Those refusing to bless such unions are not the schismatics, no matter what the press, the continuing bishops or their court theologians may aver.

    Galatians 1:7-9

  106. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Never seriously did the maths on negative gearing but seemed to recall you needed to be carrying a serious amount of debt to make it work and much of the advantage was lost when they bumped the 47c rate up. Big borrowings and illiquid assets doesn’t make for good sleep at night.

  107. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Problem is, so much of life is about trust; almost everything is built on some sort of trust.

    Mine isn’t. Trust is an emotional thing. Rational ppl prefer to predict. When your trust is betrayed you feel pain. When your predictions go wrong, you revise your assumptions.

  108. dover0beach Avatar

    Say what you like about Singer and co. but they at least have the decency to provide reasons for their positions.

  109. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Problem is, so much of life is about trust; almost everything is built on some sort of trust.

    correct- no man is an island entire of itself.

    You have to trust the food you buy and that the person next to you on a train is not a homicidal maniac.

  110. P Avatar
    P

    Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

    In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

    Proverbs 3:5-6 – KJV

  111. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Observation- the i30 is a much better car than the Corolla. More room, more power, looks better.

  112. JC Avatar
    JC

    H B Bear says:
    August 19, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    Never seriously did the maths on negative gearing but seemed to recall you needed to be carrying a serious amount of debt to make it work and much of the advantage was lost when they bumped the 47c rate up. Big borrowings and illiquid assets doesn’t make for good sleep at night.

    Bear, I have pal who’s a QC in family law. He told me a few years ago he has $1.2 million interest bill annually as result negative gearing. That’s debt of around $25 million. Lot of divorce fees.

  113. Old Lefty Avatar
    Old Lefty

    The BBC is crowing because children’s homes have been closed after BBC reporting exposed their failures.

    Pity they didn’t have Jimmy Savile to set them right.

  114. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Monty

    Okay, so here you are supporting fetal personhood, fine…

    Okay, so here you are supporting a human life.

    Enough of this pseudo intellectual, newspeak gibberish!

  115. Old Lefty Avatar
    Old Lefty

    On divorce fees, JC, I have a cousin (good DLP type) who was happy to be a full-time mother to her six children – who are now all happy, well-adjusted young adults.

    She didn’t think, despite the savage feminist-inspired fiscal persecution of women like her, that she was worse off in the long run than the textbook feminist have-it-all ‘working’ mothers. Why not? Because, she said, the glamorous high fliers mostly ended up in the Family Court and the lawyers got all the money anyway.

  116. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Franksays:
    August 19, 2022 at 7:30 pm
    applied at all three levels of government

    Isn’t that the problem though, the local level is owned by developers and their interests don’t coincide with affordable housing.

    IIRC, another nail in the political coffin of Abbott was when he persuaded the NSW Branch to ban property developers and lobbyists from Party executive positions.

  117. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Story about Whitlam at a meeting-

    Feminist witch- ‘what about abortion Gough?’

    Whitlam- ‘In your case madam, I’d make it retrospective’.

  118. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Monty doesn’t rise to the level of being a pseud.

  119. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    You have to trust the food you buy and that the person next to you on a train is not a homicidal maniac.

    I predict that the supermarket won’t set out to poison me because it would cost them bigly. I don’t travel by train, but when I drive I always assume that other drivers are either homicidal maniacs or incompetent idiots. I don’t actually think most of them are, but it’s a useful hypothesis.
    Trust is for the sentimental, and I ain’t.

  120. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    However, Sam Harris has been good in standing up to Islam and its apologists. He doesn’t flinch. But with this interview he’s lost all credibility. Sad.

    Caught this today via Crowder.
    The look on Konstantin Kisins’ face said it all.

  121. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    applied at all three levels of government

    I was under the impression that there were 18 levels of government in Australia?

  122. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    The Digital Finance Cooperative Research Centre (DFCRC) on a research project to explore use cases for a central bank digital currency (CBDC) in Australia.

    https://www.rba.gov.au/media-releases/2022/mr-22-23.html

    The RBA announce coincides with the announcement by the Senate Select Committee on Australia as a Technology and Financial Centre.

    Australians need to ensure that the RBA and the Federal Parliament does not impose totalitarian control through the Central Bank Digital Currency.

    Australia is headed down a path with little democratic consent and there is a lot of uncertainty were public policy is going in Australia.

    There is a possibility that CBDCs will improve economic life in Australia, but there is also a possibility that it may not.

    The RBA cannot be allowed to alter economic life in Australia without a democratic mandate. The Prime Minister and Treasurer need to explain why CBDCs are being developed in Australia and what is the public policy case.

    The Australian people must ensure that physical cash is never eliminated and that freedom and privacy remains the corner stone of Australia’s payment system and economic life.

  123. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    I was under the impression that there were 18 levels of government in Australia?

    more like 180

  124. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Ran across this article today at Ann Althouse’s blog where she is discussing labiaplasty, the Kardashians, designer leggings and how they all intersect in the case of girls with more of an endowment than normal. The first comment was:

    Feminism is especially entertaining in its senescent stages.

    While the article defines a pretty specific setup the comment definitely has a much broader applicability.

  125. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    The IRS raids could help clean the gene pool, plenty of opportunities for them to shoot each other in this little exercise:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5R1G87PBIs

  126. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Bear, I have pal who’s a QC in family law.

    No you don’t because there’s no such thing. Stop talking about things you have no clue about.

  127. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    The doxxer returns?

  128. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    You Lot™^ would appreciate this rugby play.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/SkillsLevel/status/1559576984904015873

    _____
    ^ Used under license from m0nty Holdings Inc.

  129. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Zipster

    The Australian people must ensure that physical cash is never eliminated and that freedom and privacy remains the corner stone of Australia’s payment system and economic life.

    Suggesting that social security even salaries should be credited to a bank account used to send the left into shrieks of anguish about how the poor and homeless could not organise bank accounts.

    Like many previous leftist sacred cows, that one also has gone to the slaughterhouse in recent years.

  130. JC Avatar
    JC

    No you don’t because there’s no such thing. Stop talking about things you have no clue about.

    Yes I do, shit for brains. He’s a senior barrister in Owen Dixon Chambers and wears the full ensemble – wig and gown. He nominated my kid as an “Australian Lawyer” at the Supreme Court. So, don’t tell me I don’t know or suggest I’m lying. Stick to telling Fatboy he doesn’t have a penis day in day out.

  131. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Negative gearing is the cleanest, simplest form of skin in the game.
    Part of me thinks that’s why some people demonise it.

  132. custard Avatar
    custard

    From Patel Patriot devolution series….

    “ We have direct proof that Joe Biden is using his office to directly benefit both his own personal family situation, as well as the foreign government (CCP) to which his family is beholden. What is interesting is that Trump and his inner circle were most definitely aware of the Biden family’s connections to the CCP.

    The list of companies owned by BHR is public information. Three of those companies are connected to the CCP and Trump considered ownership to be a national security issue which is why they were listed as CCMCs.

    Joe Biden is financially connected to the CCP and is allowing that connection to dictate how he operates as “president.” The only question I really have is this:

    If Trump knew of these connections, how could he simply walk away and let Joe Biden, the CCP puppet, take over the highest position in the land?

    THE BEST IS YET TO COME“

  133. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    JCsays:

    August 19, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    I have a doctorate in metallurgical immunology which is why I recently suggested that covid vaccines in the blood stream create various metals.

    Wut?
    You’re a wut?

  134. JC Avatar
    JC

    No, no. Not me, Sanchez. Uncle Fester is a metallurgical immunologist. World renowned. He and Amanda will tell you.

  135. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Bit dark today.
    Read this thing about real reason Obama/Biden/deep state want Iran sanctions lifted is so Iran does get nuclear capability.
    So it means that the Saudi’s will then immediately get nuclear capabilities from the US in return for fortifying the petro-dollar.
    That’s how far the US will go to protect the petro-dollar.
    It’s theory that makes me depressed even contemplating it.

  136. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Conspiracy hypothesists of the planet, unite!

    The hairy Scotsman and the Steyn discuss the fact that we are now existing in an increasingly unrepentant global tyranny, which has one aim.

    To destroy the way of life of anyone not of the nomenklatura.

    In the meantime, I’m feeling like a hapless observer of the implementation of this wondrous new insect eating reality. 😕

  137. JC Avatar
    JC

    One other thing, Cronkite. I have no idea how you could possibly say this. Extract from Owen Dixon roll.

    No you don’t because there’s no such thing.

    No such thing as a QC in family law? Well this isn’t my friend, but I know of this dude and these are his credentials. I won’t post his name. He’s a QC, you face planter.

    Name QC signed the Roll of Counsel in 1978 and took Silk in 1999.

    He has practised exclusively in the Family Law and de facto jurisdiction as a trial lawyer and in the appellate jurisdiction.

    He has appeared in a number of significant and complex financial matters, many of which have been reported.

    He has also appeared in a number of significant parenting matters, including relocation cases and international abduction.

    He is a Nationally Accredited Mediator.

    He has been recognised as a market leader, leading and preeminent Senior Counsel in Victoria and Australia by the Doyle’s Guide since its inception.

  138. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    He is a Nationally Accredited Mediator.

    The mediator in my divorce got 3k for half a days work to next to nothing as my lawyer nutted out the final points of the settlement agreement with the ex’s lawyer.
    And he was a middle of the road as far as costs go.
    The prick was clearly peeved it was done in a day.
    You mutually agree to a mediator and the costs of the few that were put forward went from 1k to up 9k per day.
    What a rort.

  139. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Miltonf, and the peron sitting next to you on the train is not a homicidal maniac. What are the odds of two homicidal maniacs sitting next to each other by chance?

  140. Zyconoclast Avatar
    Zyconoclast

    Second fatal shooting this month near George Floyd Square

    MINNEAPOLIS — One man died and another was seriously hurt in the second fatal shooting this month near the intersection where George Floyd died in police custody more than two years earlier.

    Minneapolis Police spokesman Officer Garrett Parten said officers found two wounded men with life-threatening injuries Sunday afternoon near the intersection in south Minneapolis that was renamed to remember Floyd’s death. One man died at the hospital, and the other man’s condition wasn’t immediately available.

    No arrests were reported immediately.

    A week before Sunday’s shooting, Mohamed Omar, 29, died after he was shot in the area early on Aug. 7. Parten said the police department would likely increase patrols in the area after the two shootings, which both took place near the intersection of 38th Street and Chicago Avenue.

  141. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Yes I do, shit for brains.

    You’re so volatile head prefect. There is no such thing as a QC in family law. The guy may be a QC and he may or may not specialise in family law but the QC is an honorarium reflecting ability in practice generally.

    Now say something instructive about shorting.

  142. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    an increasingly unrepentant global tyranny, which has one aim.

    To destroy the way of life of anyone not of the nomenklatura.

    yep they don’t even pretend- most of the ‘rat advertising, what I saw of it anyway, in the 2020 was ‘you must be punished’ sort of thing. We live in very dangerous times with evil old cunts like Schwab, cranky Frankie and the old thief out to destroy us.

  143. Louis Litt Avatar
    Louis Litt

    Negative gearing – should stay – Kesting rid it and the supply of property dropped by 30%.
    The so called housing shortage is our own doing – banks lend 10 times rather than 3, we have so much arid land but have not subdivided it or looked at making it areable.
    Throw in double income which puts the price up.

  144. JC Avatar
    JC

    You’re so volatile head prefect. There is no such thing as a QC in family law. The guy may be a QC and he may or may not specialise in family law but the QC is an honorarium reflecting ability in practice generally.

    Now say something instructive about shorting.

    Yes there is. I just proved it to you there is a QC in family law. The above bio just proved you wrong….. again.

  145. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I just proved it to you there is a QC in family law.

    It is a fine point; and as I said the guy may be an expert in family law but the QC is a recognition of the professions respect for his legal skill generally. For example a solicitor may be an accredited specialist in family law which means he can claim expertise in family law matters but no other area of law. Your guy, the barrister, is a QC no matter which area of law he practises in.

    Anyway, carry on.

  146. JC Avatar
    JC

    Don’t “Fester”people, Cronkite. I’ll talk about whatever I like and expect everyone else to do the same.

    Again, I was right and you were shown to be wrong. A heart felt apology is in order.

  147. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The mediator in my divorce got 3k for half a days work to next to nothing as my lawyer nutted out the final points of the settlement agreement with the ex’s lawyer.

    The “mediator”, in my divorce, made it quite plain.

    “It is obvious that you have substantial assets. During your marriage, your wife has become accustomed to a certain standard of living. We are here to make a fair division of those assets, so that your wife may continue to enjoy that standard of living.”

    It’s a tribute to my superior powers of self control that I never smashed the sniveling little girly – man into the next post code, to teach it reverence and respect, for it’s elders and betters…

  148. dover0beach Avatar

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    Another $800 million!??!
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    The money being wasted on the Ukraine is mind boggling.

  149. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Negative gearing is the cleanest, simplest form of skin in the game.

    It’s a tax break reserved for the rich. In no other endeavour are your personal lifestyle expenses deductible from taxable income. And the tax treatment can’t be justified on the basis of it being a productive asset like a business, because in a business the owner is not allowed to introduce their own money to prop it up when its cashflow fails, but that’s what “negatively geared” properties intentionally do. So it’s like a business except it isn’t.

    At the same time it allows wealth creation through property speculation to be experienced by the middle-class (ie rich people) instead of being reserved for giant construction companies, so it’s not all bad. Just thought I would give you another reason “why some people demonise it.”
    It’s all self serving arguments of course. It seems unfair until you benefit from the unfairness.

  150. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    “It is obvious that you have substantial assets. During your marriage, your wife has become accustomed to a certain standard of living

    (SA÷2) – L = ?

  151. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Just watched the always superb Neil Oliver talk to the always superb Mark Steyn. Oliver quoted something his wife said to him in conversation and it nails the whole green climate scam…..

    “It’s not about going green, it’s about going without”.

    Kaboom. This scam is pure unadulterated socialism, communism, Marxism. It isn’t about “saving the planet”, it’s about depriving us of energy, food and comfort. How long before people have to queue up for food? How long before energy rationing begins?

    And here in Oz, you know who I despise more? The stupid fucking Liberals, for being spineless, cowardly and craven.

  152. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    perfect timing Rabz … of the era, I was just listening to THIS

  153. JC Avatar
    JC

    It’s a tax break reserved for the rich.

    Rich people don’t generally carry much debt. In any event, rental income is business income and therefore like all commercial endeavors , people can charge interest on debt against income to reduce tax. This principle is so strong that being against it is a distinguishing feature between Right and left.

  154. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Just who are these “real men“?

    A Tour de Force, peoples.

    1982.

    Girls that wore Pink …
    Boys that wore Blue …

  155. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    because in a business the owner is not allowed to introduce their own money to prop it up when its cashflow fails

    oh yeah … is that right?

  156. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    rental income is business income

    Nice sidestep, but I said the 2nd property is not a business. To disagree you’ll have to show your 2nd house has its own ABN. Which of course it doesn’t. Because it is not a business.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfe3nFnSes4

    “I’m A Good Old Rebel” preformed by Confederate veterans of the American Civil War…….

  158. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    oh yeah … is that right?

    Well I hope so, as a business owner on whom I depend as a supplier told me that.
    Having not started a business of my own, I’ve not had the drive to check the nitty gritty.

  159. JC Avatar
    JC

    Nice sidestep, but I said the 2nd property is not a business. To disagree you’ll have to show your 2nd house has its own ABN. Which of course it doesn’t. Because it is not a business.

    Interesting, so in your mind a commercial endeavor must have an ABN? That’s laughable.

    Rental income is income derived from commercial activity. I cannot comprehend how you could possibly perceive this to be a side step.

    To repeat, this is a distinguishing feature between Right and left.

  160. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Having not started a business of my own, I’ve not had the drive to check the nitty gritty.

    fuck me

    ok, let me know when you get all the legal details nailed down

  161. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Again another sidestep. I said it was not a business. That’s the ‘B’ in ABN.
    You will now pretend that I said something else.

    It is also totally irrelevant to me what your opinion of Right and Left are.
    It is also irrelevant to determining whether negative gearing is either beneficial or fair.

  162. JC Avatar
    JC

    Again another sidestep. I said it was not a business. That’s the ‘B’ in ABN.

    I know you did. Why are you challenging this point that was never in question.?> What the fuck does an ABN have to do with running a commercial endeavor anyway? You require da Gobermnent to define commercial enterprise? Do drug dealers have an ABN? How about any activity in the grey economy? They’re not enterprises because they don’t have an ABN? That’s really silly.

    You will now pretend that I said something else.

    No, I’m not and you’re likely drunk.

    It is also totally irrelevant to me what your opinion of Right and Left are.

    It’s very relevant because in this respect you’re talking leftwing nonsense.

    It is also irrelevant to determining whether negative gearing is either beneficial or fair.

    Of course it’s “beneficial to the owner if he or she considers it so. And who the fuck are you or anyone else to determine what’s fair or not. Mind you’re own business. There’s no such thing as “fair”. Fairness is a bullshit leftwing irrelevance because what you consider fair or unfair others may have to opposite opinion.

  163. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Crispin, you’d be horrified to know exactly what we write off

    you ‘should’ start a business

    then you’ll find out how it really works

    after a decade

    if your ABN survives

    tell us all about it

  164. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    QCs have ABNs. Bastards.

  165. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Nice sidestep, but I said the 2nd property is not a business. To disagree you’ll have to show your 2nd house has its own ABN. Which of course it doesn’t. Because it is not a business.

    Bzzt.
    You are carrying on the business of renting property.
    Usually either as a sole trader or as a joint venture with a spouse.
    You don’t need an ABN because you are captured in the tax system by your TFNs.

  166. Slayer of Memes Avatar
    Slayer of Memes

    Just who are these “real men“?

    A Tour de Force, peoples.

    1982.

    Girls that wore Pink …
    Boys that wore Blue …

    Boys that always grew up
    Better men than me and you…

  167. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Crispin misses that the price of opportunity cost is spread via taxation.

    he can live in a slum if he really wants

  168. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    They can tape every cry
    They can tape every laugh

    Winston shuffled into the small alcove in his existence pod that might not be seen by the telescreen …

    Everything in his world was shit, but he had no idea who was responsible for his ongoing unrelentingly grey misery …

    He began to reminisce about the Chestnut Tree Café and the mighty ol’ collectivist heroes of the Revolution who were (allegedly) seen there, before the (seemingly) inevitable triumph of the Uniparty.

    The bowl of ground cricket meal and small glass of horse’s piss* before him prompted more regrettable thoughts.

    “The stupid f*cking gliberals – what a bunch of vacuous unprincipled beagle pleasuring imbeciles!”

    Then he woke up in room 101, being blasted deafeningly by the Albansleazey’s gratest ever speeches. 🙁

    *aka “Victory Ale”

  169. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    because in a business the owner is not allowed to introduce their own money to prop it up when its cashflow fails

    I think your supplier guy might be thinking of the illegality of “trading while insolvent”.
    Which is kind of the opposite thing, really.
    The “not allowed” might be his accountant telling him not to throw good money after bad, not a legal requirement.
    And, if you are heavily reliant on this guy, ask him how he came to know such things.

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway, “Sliante” to all you horrible mob. Payday for self funded retirees is coming up, and there’s only so you can spend on good single malt.

    Night, all.

  171. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Can’t you afford a double malt, Zulu?

  172. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    zulu wtf … in WA its 9:00pm

    stay up and party

  173. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    quoting from DSS:

    A genuine injection of capital will have occurred when the person:
    receives shares in the company or units in the trust that is reasonably commensurate with the amount of the capital injection

    The upkeep expenses do not earn you a greater share of the house, so that part of your personal expenses are not a capital injection like a business would receive. The repayments to the bank for the loan will gain you equity, so that part of expenses is like a business. But the deductions are not restricted to the loan repayments. That’s what makes it a bit unfair.

    More evidence that investment properties are not businesses comes from the ATO:

    Most owners are investors who are not in the business of letting rental properties, even where there is more than one investment property. This is because they:
    • have minimal involvement in rental activities (such as, interviewing potential tenants or inspecting the property)
    • still rely on income from their job.

    Again, not a business according to the ATO, but still gets the expenses-reduce-taxable-income treatment like a business should and would.

  174. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    How does a house, as a stand-alone business, would require an ABN only if the GST-turnover is $75,000 or more p.a.

    Is the house in question renting for more than $75,000 per year?
    Is that $75,000 per year (or more) of rental attracting GST?

  175. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    A genuine injection of capital will have occurred when the personage …

    Ceases to be a collectivist zombie?

  176. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Most owners are investors who are not in the business of letting rental properties, even where there is more than one investment property. This is because they:
    • have minimal involvement in rental activities (such as, interviewing potential tenants or inspecting the property)
    • still rely on income from their job

    Translated … “It’s a side hustle. But still taxed as business/investment income. Not a tax-free hobby.”

  177. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Phooey on screen/keyboard issues:
    How does a house, as a stand-alone business, even require an ABN?
    A house, as a stand-alone business, would require an ABN only if the turnover (i.e. rent collected) had a GST-relevant component exceeding $75,000 per year.

  178. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Domestic rental does not attract GST.

  179. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    You only generally tend to hear of the negative gearing wins people have from holding property, usually long term. If you mistime the purchase any tax savings fade into insignificance. A mate bought a 2nd rental property around Margaret River about the time it shat itself in the mid 00s. By the time he exited everything was down over $100,000 and had to get bailed out by his old man. Some of the losses around Mandurah at the time were double that and then some. Nothing like a forced property sale to crystallise serious losses.

  180. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    I’m keen to know more about this part where the owner is not allowed to inject money into their business.

  181. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    he can live in a slum if he really wants

    I should be so lucky.

    if you are heavily reliant on this guy, ask him how he came to know such things.

    That… is a good question.

    what you consider fair or unfair others may have to opposite opinion.

    So we agree on something.

  182. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Can’t you afford a double malt, Zulu?

    We’re talking about milk, right?

    Does it need its own ABN?

  183. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Domestic rental does not attract GST.

    Eggzackerly.
    I’m struggling to see where a typical negative gearing business would have an ABN even enter into the equation.

  184. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    a tax-free hobby

    Sacrée bleu – when the big fat braindead state starts defining the concept of a “tax free hobby” then it’s time to head for the hills, Cats, I tells ya! 😕

  185. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    it’s time to head for the hills, Cats

    Only if the hills have an ABN.

  186. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Klaus Schwab invented the ABN.

  187. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Only if the hills have an ABN.

    They do! ABN: 52 469 810 788
    Gotchaaaaa! 🙂

  188. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    There were (are?) still a few perks to negative gearing. You could claim a trip to inspect the property but were required to apportion expenses if you then spent the next two weeks playing golf on the Gold Coast. I never got audited which was possibly a good thing. Repairs & Maintenance v Capex is pretty rubbery.

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