Open Thread – Tues 16 Aug 2022


Mount Aetna from Taormina, Thomas Cole, 1843

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OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 18, 2022 10:40 am

callisays:
August 18, 2022 at 10:24 am

Funny, I was thinking of Endeavour Morse just this morning and wondering which of Dexter’s books I would dust off and re-read. I keep telling myself that I must cull the bookcases, but I just can’t. The shelves mysteriously swell every time I go into a secondhand bookshop.

Latest Endeavour Series getting a bit dark but Morse lives on, as does Colin Dexter

Re The shelves mysteriously swell every time I go into a secondhand bookshop., I have to stop myself from wandering into Half Back Book & Record Exchange 4/20 Burlington St, Crows Nest NSW 2065, as I make my way to Tuesday Lunch – usually come out with book in hand

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 18, 2022 10:43 am

Indolentsays:
August 18, 2022 at 10:39 am
Cats and Dogs

One looks like part beagle, and that is exactly what our neurotic 16 month old female beagle has done to one of Daughter’s Couches down stairs

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 10:44 am

Soggy paddocks? You betcha. After only a small amount of rain last week, we woke to see a small creek flowing down part of our driveway from the road. Husband was convinced the neighbour’s dam was overflowing & sure enough it was – but that was not the source of the water. Rather – it is simply the result of a record rise in the water table. Our bore, which is adjacent & slightly above the new flow, relies on an aquifer which I reckon is the source of it all.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 18, 2022 10:47 am

Kids aren’t allowed to have toy guns but they are allowed to have their bodies mutilated by their bonkers lefty parents.

Bonkers being the operative word.

These dimwit parents, who in any other age would have been starving in the streets, fail to comprehend that superficial ‘changes’ like this cannot and will not override the male human being’s hardwired and innate predilection for combat – real or pretend.

It is pure instinct and cannot be altered by putting a dress on. The inescapable requirement to get as close to the top of the pack as you can, and to hunt and provide better than the rest ensures a greater prospect of furthering your line and survivability of the fittest.

Suboptimal, weak specimens* who cannot or will not engage in this sort of thing are cast off to die because they do nothing to further the progression of the species. We can thank our affluence as a people that superfluous horseshit like this is entertained, let alone condoned.

*looking at you mUnter.

Tom
Tom
August 18, 2022 10:49 am

She’ll be a convenient punching bag for fascists for years to come.

Thanks, Monty. Laughed out loud.

Roger
Roger
August 18, 2022 10:52 am

Bit hard to figure out what Liz Cheney’s end game is

Grift.

I see her personal wealth has multiplied several times over since she entered the House.

Estimated to be up to $44 million now.

Not bad on a salary of $174 000.

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 10:55 am

Back to the city & the first thing I did was go to local shops & bought Jim Milan’s new book “Danger on our doorstep”. Made the mistake of going straight to reading the Epilogue before I went to sleep last night. Had a bloody restless night.

He lays out a scenario – China takes out the satellites and the underwater cables (destroying most if not all our communications), mines our ports, cuts off all our supplies and exports by blockading the South China Sea – having simultaneously attacked US bases in Guam, STH Korea & Japan.

Read it & weep.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 18, 2022 10:56 am

HITHER AND YON

See Ya ’Round, Liz

Cheney’s trouncing Tuesday shows just how fed up the Right is with Never Trumpers.

Bush Republicanism, that zombie political persuasion which in its heyday did for the GOP and the conservative movement what Jimmy Carter and Mike Dukakis did for the Democrats, might not quite be dead. But rigor mortis set in several years ago to be sure.

Just ask Liz Cheney, whose political career was zombified in January 2021 when she opted to not just turn on Donald Trump in a public fashion — Cheney was always a Never Trumper; she just didn’t out herself as one until she thought the coast was clear — but to harp on the question.

Cheney voted for the idiotic post-presidential impeachment of Trump. Then she volunteered to serve on the disgraceful kangaroo court that is the Jan. 6 Committee, perhaps the most counterproductive political fiasco since Monsieur Robespierre felt the guillotine’s blade.

The rumblings within the GOP have gotten louder and louder since — especially as Trump-backed challengers have knocked off one impeachment voter after another, and the MAGA/revivalist wing of the party has laid waste to the Bush Republican crowd up and down the GOP ballot this year.

And Tuesday, the voters of Wyoming delivered to Cheney a metaphorical echo of what befell Robespierre. Harriet Hageman, a lawyer who’s made a name for herself going to war against the EPA and environmentalist wacko groups over a three-decade career and who ran unsuccessfully for governor in 2018, clobbered the most prominent Never Trumper in elected office by a 66.3-28.9 percent margin, with 99 percent of votes counted at time of publication.

The size of that beatdown is a big deal. One Wyoming voter summed up the reason why quite nicely:

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 10:59 am

Poor stupid m0nty-fa has still not worked out that the side he supports, having finally worked out that communism doesn’t work, has now taken the full-on fascist path, complete with street gangs (Ante-fa) and secret police.

Coming soon, the concentration camps/Gulags.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 11:01 am

Vicki

having simultaneously attacked US bases in Guam, STH Korea & Japan.

Because a surprise attack on US bases in the Pacific worked out so well last time?

Roger
Roger
August 18, 2022 11:02 am

He lays out a scenario – China takes out the satellites and the underwater cables (destroying most if not all our communications), mines our ports, cuts off all our supplies and exports by blockading the South China Sea…

On the upside, that’ll stop the immigration ponzi.

But seriously…at least our strategic oil reserves will be safe in Texas.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 18, 2022 11:10 am

Hahaha, I quipped a week ago that in the new LOTR the orcs are white and the elves are black.
It turns out my joke is actually true, at least elfwise.

Sounds like the whole thing will be a mockery. The people they have writing it (or, showrunners) keep talking about being fans but they have very obvious gaps in their knowledge.

Amazon was unable to get the rights to The Silmarillion which covers the Second Age so they have just made a lot of characters up, or mutilated existing ones – Galadriel is a warrior, doncha know.

But it has really annoyed fans of the book and the Peter Jackson movies.

My impression is that Amazon was inspired by the movies. They saw the sumptuousness of the films, the exotic peoples, and some of the dramatic historical events referred to in the films, and thought they could overlay that with what they think is a winner in story-telling: Matrix style action and woke politics.

Kind of Game of Thrones with halflings and less sex.

It might win some fans, but not from the people who like the books and the films. It certainly will not be another installment of Tolkien’s work.

And they go on about the importance of people seeing themselves in a work in order to enjoy it, but the only self that this supposedly refers to is skin colour and gender. Tall people presumably cannot ‘see themselves’ in Hobbits (which should not be there in the Second Age anyway – they only crossed The Misty Mountains at the beginning of the Third Age). Stout people cannot see themselves in thin characters. The old cannot relate to the young and vice versa, gay people cannot become invested in straight characters, cultured in simple, office workers in farmers etc.

Clearly this ‘see yourself in’ cannot be how enjoyment works. But some people just don’t know how to enjoy themselves.

Roger
Roger
August 18, 2022 11:12 am

Speaking of China, factories in several provinces are reportedly being shut down for a week due to electricity rationing.

Cassie of Sydney
August 18, 2022 11:15 am

“The New South Wales Education Standards Authority (NESA) accused the school of using unaccredited teachers, not following the minimum primary and high school curriculum, and not providing a “safe and supportive environment” for its pupils.”

Maybe if the school had in its curriculum “the Koranic Guide to Beheading”, it might have been given a free pass.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 18, 2022 11:17 am

Mother Lodesays:
August 18, 2022 at 8:05 am
an island that had been owned by Aboriginal people for 60,000

We really need to consider whether there is a difference between ‘ownership’ and merely living somewhere.

Peter O’Brien explains the difference in his standout book – Bitter Harvest – which demolishes Bruce Pascoe’s “contribution” to the scholarly pursuit, Dark Emu.

According to O’Brien, to discredit/delegitimise European settlement of the continent, (which is the real reason for the book), Pascoe wants to prove that the Aborigines, pre-settlement, were a settled people who grew crops, cultivated them and stored them – that is, they permanently changed/improved the land because of their own labour.

O’Brien writes (pp.243-245)

In 1788, there was a body of international law that governed how nations should deal with each other, and that included the means by which they might acquire new territory. John Locke’s Two Treatises on Government, published in 1690, expounded the prevailing view that the only people who could own land were those that cultivated it.

O’Brien then goes on to discuss two more major works of international law that had been published by the time of the establishment of the penal settlement at Sydney Cove:

The Law of Nations According to the Scientific Method (1750) by Christian Wolff and The Law Of Nations, or the Principles of the Law of Nature Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns (1758) by Emmerich de Vattel.

O’Brien quotes from Vattel:

The cultivation of the soil is an obligation imposed upon man by nature…There are others who, in order to avoid labour, seek to live upon their flocks and the fruits of the chase…Now that the human race has multiplied so greatly, it could not subsist if every person wished to live after that fashion. Those who still pursue this idle mode of life occupy more land than they would have need of under a system of honest labour, and they may not complain if other more industrious Nations, too confined at home should come and occupy part of their lands…

I did a search and found this reference to Locke’s approach to property rights, which seems to better illustrate the concept, on the website adamsmithworks.com.

When people talk about a “Lockean approach” to property rights, they are generally referring to the idea that we’re naturally entitled to own property, but this is often presented in simplistic caricature. It’s not that whatever property I happen to have can be retroactively justified as a natural right. The “natural” in Locke’s natural rights means conceptually pre-political. He argues that if we had no political authority at all, as in the “state of nature,” no one could justifiably claim to have lordship over another. Although one individual may be stronger than another, everyone is of equivalent moral status. This means everyone has a right (a rationally justifiable moral claim) to live and be free. [BUT] If I own my body, then I own the labor of my body, so when I use that labor to transform unowned resources in nature, I own the transformed product as well…I can also acquire new resources by trading for them. If I own something, I may trade it for another thing. I can trade eggs for cheese, but I can also trade time spent laboring for cheese – or for money. ” (47).

Actually, not even ‘ownership’. We don’t really say the population of a nation ‘own’ the land they are on.

On page 245, O’Brien goes on to discuss the idea of nation:

The other aspect that was material in consideration of the right to occupy foreign territories was the concept of a ‘nation’ composed of groups of people united in a civil society exercising ‘sovereignty’ over their land. It was on the basis that the continent of Australia, inhabited by disparate groups of nomadic hunter-gatherers, was not a sovereign nation that Britain was able to justify its settlement.

Which seems to be why the current language surrounding The Voice and other demands is to describe Aboriginal tribes as “nations”.

And is this ‘ownership’ immutable and inalienable? Never has been before.

Somewhere, I’ve read that the international legal principle that established modern nations occurred after the federation of the states of Australia – (the latter years of WWI, I think). So Australia is acknowledged in international law as an independent sovereign nation, with inalienable rights. All that changes, of course, if a successful invasion of the continent occurred and neither the indigenous inhabitants or any other country that came to our aid was able to remove the aggressor.

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 11:19 am

Because a surprise attack on US bases in the Pacific worked out so well last time?

Point taken. But that was a different era. I am not so confidant that an America so plagued with disunity can mobilise quickly enough to prevent major damage to our allies.

Molan doesn’t think China would invade us. Nor do I. No need – we could be made a vassal state very easily. Think about it.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 18, 2022 11:24 am

using unaccredited teachers

Yeshiva wouldn’t be on their pat malone in doing that.
Given the massive undersupply of full time and casual teachers, I’ll bet London to a brick that most schools are doing the same.
Retired teachers whose previous accreditation has expired would be a sought after source of relief/casual teachers.

Cassie of Sydney
August 18, 2022 11:26 am

I know parents who send their children to Yeshiva. They’ll just home school.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 18, 2022 11:27 am

The New South Wales Education Standards Authority

I think it a bit rich to describe what NSW Department of Education does to children in schools as education, richer still (to Elon Musk levels) to suggest it addresses an educational standard.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 11:30 am

could be made a vassal state very easily

I think they’ve achieved that already, look at Victoria.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 18, 2022 11:30 am

Former rugby sevens star, Olympic gold medallist and SAS Australia contestant Ellia Green has come out as transgender at the Bingham Cup — the world championship of gay and inclusive rugby — in Canada this week.

To be clear – Ellia was born female, grew up as a tomboy, and played women’s rugby at the highest level very successfully.
Ellia has had “top surgery”, suffered depression, and was dropped from the Tokyo Olympics.
Now in a relationship with a woman.

All of which begs the question – was Ellia a woman when winning the Olympic gold medal in 2016?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 11:36 am

Molan doesn’t think China would invade us. Nor do I. No need – we could be made a vassal state very easily. Think about it.

Why bother? Adopt the strategy of the Imperial Japanese Army in World War Two – isolate Australia from any Allies, and wait for the surrender.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 11:42 am

isolate Australia from any Allies, and wait for the surrender

Could take a while if we had industry and competent government.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 18, 2022 11:44 am

cohenitesays:
August 18, 2022 at 9:29 am

I’ve read Geoffrey Blainey’s book – Triumph of the Nomads (1975) and then the revised edition – The Story of Australia’s People (2020).

imo, the original book suffers too much from the romancing of the conditions of daily living of pre-settlement Aborigines.

In the later edition, however, Blainey admits that in the original publication he didn’t take into account what the effects of drought would have done to how the inhabitants survived, and in what numbers, if those droughts extended over years/decades, which he notes would have been disastrous for those peoples.

On the three invasions pre-settlement, he only touches on the subject, but does note them.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 18, 2022 11:45 am

Dr. William Bay, who may no longer use the honorific Doctor, has been banned from practising medicine. This followed his criticism of the Covid vaxxs at a recent AMA conference in Queensland when he was forced to leave the conference chanting….

“one shot, two shots, three shots, four
how many shots till you hit the floor”

AHPRA has now deregistered Dr. William Bay for daring to challenge the perceived wisdom of the medical bureaucracy.

The Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Authority (AHPRA) is chaired by Alan Morrison, brother of our former Prime Minister and secret Federal Health Minister, neither of whom have any medical training.

It looks like we’ve got our own Dulles brothers running the show.

Dr. William Bay – What’s his story?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 11:46 am

not following the minimum primary and high school curriculum, and not providing a “safe and supportive environment” for its pupils

Cassie – I think this code-speak for ‘not woke enough’. Very likely the school decided especially not to teach the qwerty grooming stuff. I don’t know if this is the case but the phrase “safe and supportive environment” is a tell.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 11:47 am

chaired by Alan Morrison, brother of our former Prime Minister

Swampy.

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 11:50 am

“Not at all. It strikes at the heart of the matter. Your movement’s ultimate goal is fetal personhood,…”

As Tim Pool points out, all of the “western” nations – the “free” societies – have constantly moved towards expanding who has what rights. “Men” became “people” (men and women). Religion (“no heathens” etc). Race. No slaves. etc etc.

Most people seem to believe that performing an abortion 5 minutes before delivery is wrong. In fact, most find an abortion questionable after the first trimester, with the proportion having an issue increasing as the length of the pregnancy increases.

So things like the >15 week ban in Florida, or the “fetal heartbeat” law in Texas (around the 6 week mark) are different attempts to define what most feel are “reasonable” limits.
Indeed, Roe v Wade itself disallowed abortion after “viability” – this “viability” of course being a moving target as medical tech gets better at keeping pre-term babies alive.

It seems that there will always be tension in this regard, even now – as the US Democrats defeated bill shows – some want the “right” to an abortion up until birth, while others want a full ban. There will need to be a compromise. I think the biggest issues will be similar to the one this started with – “disabilities”, diseases and so on. Downs syndrome? Blindness? Rape? Incest? There are arguments on both sides for all of these and more.

Having GovCo step in for these cases is also fraught with issues. Much like banning the swastika, it is problematic because as governments change, so does their idea of what is “right and proper” to regulate. If we ban the swastika, what message does this send to GovCo – that they can ban any idea they think is “bad” from the public sphere? Don’t get me wrong – that symbol represents a great deal that is wrong and evil, but I pause at banning it because of the power to regulate thought that such a ban hands to government. Slippery slopes and all that. And abortion is similar – what is deemed “OK” (or at least “acceptable compromise”) by the majority today may change in the future and either GovCo won’t keep up or will push the changes it desires for ideological reasons – not good either way.

Sorry, I don’t have an answer. I suspect no-one does. So it’ll probably be forever with us. But we’ll see.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 11:50 am

So you think legal action against the makers of thalidomide, for instance, for the injuries suffered by the child in utero is akin to ‘something of out of the Middle Ages’? You seem to think that any injury suffered by the child in utero is a joke because you are not a serious person.

That is not a valid analogy at all, db. Come on, you’re better than that.

There are many laws protecting a fetus from harm in certain circumstances -yes Zatara, including from death – but we have not granted full fetal personhood, because the implications of that are massive and would lead to counter-intuitive outcomes.

Yes, I think the prospect of a court hearing arguments from a government-appointed lawyer arguing on behalf of a fetus against its mother is quite chilling. You would applaud this because it would lead to women being punished for exercising basic freedoms, which is what this is all about. If you don’t realise that that is the goal of the movement of which you are a part, you are a fool. I think you are smarter than that, though.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 11:54 am

It seems that there will always be tension in this regard, even now – as the US Democrats defeated bill shows – some want the “right” to an abortion up until birth, while others want a full ban. There will need to be a compromise.

I don’t think a compromise is possible. Either women get rights, or the US gets fascism.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 11:55 am

You would applaud this because it would lead to women being punished for exercising basic freedoms, which is what this is all about.

Freedom to murder is so important.

Get help.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 11:56 am

On the three invasions pre-settlement, he only touches on the subject, but does note them.

The Aboriginal industry is going to great lengths to ridicule any suggestion of previous “invasions” – strange, they can’t account for the photographs of the “pygmies” taken in North Queensland in the late 1930’s.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 11:57 am

strange, they can’t account for the photographs of the “pygmies” taken in North Queensland in the late 1930’s.

And a bit of googling easily finds those photographs.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 18, 2022 11:58 am

Following Boost of $80 Billion from Congress, Treasury Secretary Tells IRS Enforcement to Prepare for New Technology Era

August 17, 2022 | Sundance

From the Comments

I have every confidence in the ineptitude of the IRS to put the contact out for bid, have some behemoth like Lockheed data systems win, and build a one off Rube Goldberg of a machine – built to spec mind you – that will cost twice as much and not work. And then we will go back to the mainframe running cobal to process your return. So at least we might have that on our side. And of course our beloved Congress constantly fiddling with the tax code itself.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 18, 2022 12:02 pm

Schamapp.

Extremely South Australia.
Lumberjackia.
West Waikato.

Frontbottommapania

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 12:03 pm

m0nty-fa

You would applaud this because it would lead to women being punished for exercising basic freedoms, which is what this is all about.

There is no “basic freedom” to end someone’s life. There are specific reasons in law to do so (time of war, executions), but even some accidental deaths can lead to legal action against the person who caused the death.

Or do you deny that a fetus has “life” until it is actually born? Noting that some “ethicists” are already arguing for a period after the birth, during which parents can decide to kill their newborn.

Think it through again.

PS, however, I agree that there is a “basic freedom” to us contraceptives. Being “free” in this way would reduce the question to a relatively few cases.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 12:05 pm

m0nty-fa

I don’t think a compromise is possible. Either women get rights, or the US gets fascism.

Too late. The DemonRats have already introduced fascism to the US.

PS, I don’t think that you understand the concept of fascism. It is not everything that you disagree with.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 12:07 pm

use contraceptives

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 12:07 pm

The New South Wales Education Standards Authority (NESA) accused the school of using unaccredited teachers, not following the minimum primary and high school curriculum, and not providing a “safe and supportive environment” for its pupils.

The NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal ordered that the school be closed, backing the NESA’s report which recommended that the school be deregistered.

Now come on, everyone knows the Jewish people have awful educational outcomes and a cultural distain towards learning and gaining good, steady professional jobs via hard earned credentials.

Its obvious the only way to smash this nexus of disadvantage is to remove them from these backwards methods and instead expose them to the full glory of the curriculum!

You know it makes sense.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 12:08 pm

Note: the “basic freedoms” I was talking about that a future Fetal Person Court would restrict would be the freedom to drink, drive, smoke, play sport, work, or do anything else that might conceivably harm an unborn baby. Which would all be fair game for law suits under the doctrine of fetal personhood. I wasn’t even thinking about abortions.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 12:10 pm

I wasn’t even thinking about abortions.

You’re always thinking about abortions, you love them.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 18, 2022 12:11 pm

I’m still chuckling from seeing Dave Karma Sharma on Sky last night refer to Liz Cheney’s “conservative credentials” and describing the the events of 6 January 2021 as an “insurrection”.

Watching that last confirmed what a little girl he is (apologies to real girls).

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 12:18 pm

I was talking about that a future Fetal Person Court

From fantasy football to fantasy “fetal courts’…

Montys life is like Jack Chick converted to leftism and started pumping out Chick tracts of mongdom.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 12:20 pm

She wants to speak to the manager.

Karen Andrews claims Scott Morrison has not called to say sorry about portfolio saga – despite apologising to Josh Frydenberg and Mathias Cormann (18 Aug)

Karen Andrews has claimed Scott Morrison has not reached out to apologise for secretly swearing himself into her portfolio – despite calling Josh Frydenberg and Mathias Cormann about the saga.

Karens are fun.

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 12:22 pm

“Haven’t liberals literally argued for this re smoking for decades.”

Yes.
And they also want to make gun manufacturers liable for the illegal acts of gun owners.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 18, 2022 12:23 pm

The CDC has changed its published information about mRNA vaccines.

From Steve Kirsch’s substack:

What happens when the scientific evidence is so clear about the spike protein from the COVID vaccines remaining in your body that the CDC has to admit they were wrong?

They just delete the inaccurate statement and say nothing. Nothing!

The mainstream press doesn’t pick it up at all of course. There was no press release or anything to let people know.

Instead, the CDC relies on a kitten to get the word out about the change: El Gato Malo’s Substack – bad cattitude.

Before the change the statement was:

Facts About mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines:

The mRNA and the spike protein do not last long in the body.
Our cells break down mRNA from these vaccines and get rid of it within a few days after vaccination.
Scientists estimate that the spike protein, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body up to a few weeks.

After the change that statement now reads:

Facts About mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines:

They do not affect or interact with our DNA.
mRNA from these vaccines do not enter the nucleus of the cell where our DNA (genetic material) is located, so it cannot change or influence our genes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 12:30 pm

m0ntysays:
August 18, 2022 at 12:08 pm
Note: the “basic freedoms” I was talking about that a future Fetal Person Court would restrict would be the freedom to drink, drive, smoke, play sport, work, or do anything else that might conceivably harm an unborn baby. Which would all be fair game for law suits under the doctrine of fetal personhood. I wasn’t even thinking about abortions.

Suuuuure you weren’t. In the middle of a discussion about abortion, you suddenly had an epiphany about women’s other rights.

I have a bridge for sale, and for the right price I might be able to throw in a loop railroad currently under construction.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 12:30 pm

PS, however, I agree that there is a “basic freedom” to us contraceptives. Being “free” in this way would reduce the question to a relatively few cases.

True enough. I still think though that the best sex is baby-making sex. Awe-inspiring stuff.
It’s not the only good time to be had, but being open to making new life can take a woman to new heights. Sans encumbrance of any sort, mental, physical or hormonal. Judith Wright’s poem ‘Woman to Man’ captures it well:

Woman to Man
The eyeless labourer in the night,
the selfless, shapeless seed I hold,
builds for its resurrection day –
silent and swift and deep from sight
foresees the unimagined light.

This is no child with a child’s face;
this has no name to name it by:
yet you and I have known it well.
This is our hunter and our chase,
the third who lay in our embrace.

This is the strength that your arm knows,
the arc of flesh that is my breast,
the precise crystals of our eyes.
This is the blood’s wild tree that grows
the intricate and folded rose.

This is the maker and the made;
this is the question and reply;
the blind head butting at the dark,
the blaze of light along the blade.
Oh hold me, for I am afraid.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 12:34 pm

On the Amazon destruction of Middle Earth – I think this applies equally.

Like the nonsensical portrayal of Galadriel in Jackson’s “Hobbit”, this warrior version is just as silly. She states quite clearly that the elves’ power to hold back evil does not lie in conventional warfare and that after the end of the Second Age their influence was waning.

As for inclusion and diversity, aren’t there enough creatures in Middle Earth already? Next we’ll have Asian Ents, presumably the herders of Ginkgo biloba.

rickw
rickw
August 18, 2022 12:35 pm

Scientists estimate that the spike protein, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body up to a few weeks.

Looks like The Scientists fucked up yet again.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 12:36 pm

not following the minimum primary and high school curriculum, and not providing a “safe and supportive environment” for its pupils

Cassie – I think this code-speak for ‘not woke enough’. Very likely the school decided especially not to teach the qwerty grooming stuff. I don’t know if this is the case but the phrase “safe and supportive environment” is a tell.

Mmmyes. Next, Islamic schools? I think not.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 18, 2022 12:43 pm

GreyRangasays:

August 18, 2022 at 8:58 am

For the last 2 days I have been observing a neighbours trees being removed. I

Ranga, we have friends in Daylesford, where every sapling is sacred.
They were surprised to see a large block in town with a old brick manor on it having every large tree cut down.
The owner?
A prominent Teal sponsor.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 12:46 pm

Lawmaker Tearily Explains Teen Almost Lost Uterus Because of Abortion Law He Voted For

A South Carolina lawmaker on Tuesday had to fight back tears as he explained that an anti-abortion law he’d voted for led to a young woman nearly losing her uterus, and even put her life at risk. Republican State Rep. Neal Collins told the state’s House Judiciary Committee that he’d lost sleep after learning about the case of a 19-year-old woman whose water broke after just 15 weeks of pregnancy. He said that because the fetus had a heartbeat, lawyers advised doctors that they could not remove the fetus, despite that being the recommended medical course of action. The young woman was discharged from hospital. “First, she’s going to pass this fetus in the toilet,” Collins said. “She’s going to have to deal with that on her own.” He added that a doctor told him that there was a “greater than 50 percent chance that she’s going to lose her uterus” and “there’s a 10 percent chance that she will develop sepsis and herself die.” “That weighs on me,” Collins added. “I voted for that bill. These are affecting people.”

Another anecdote about the intended consequences of these barbaric bills.

Leon L.
Leon L.
August 18, 2022 12:47 pm

rickw says:
August 18, 2022 at 11:47 am
chaired by Alan Morrison, brother of our former Prime Minister

Swampy.

It is, but Morrison’s brother isn’t on the Medical Board.
There are 15 separate boards under AHPRA.
How did we survive without them?

Members of the Medical Board of Australia.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 18, 2022 12:48 pm

The ABC has been forced correct a sports story and headline about transgender athletes after an internal review found the story was “materially misleading” about transgender women’s physical advantages.

The review by the organisation’s Audience and Consumer Affairs found the story did not include relevant research showing that trans women “can retain physical advantages”.

And it was not in keeping with the ABC’s standards on impartiality. The ABC board will now be informed about the case.

The ABC has now updated the story with an editor’s note to include information that research showed “trans women in the US air force ran an average 12 per cent faster than cisgender women”.

“Audience and Consumer Affairs have concluded that the story was materially misleading because it did not provide this important context to the reader, and was therefore not in keeping with the ABC’s editorial standards for accuracy,” the review found.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 18, 2022 12:50 pm

Kids are faffing around in ‘organic gardens’ – why not get them onto the principles and practices of building Roman roads?

I go to India quite a bit and many of their new freeways are cement. They’re tolled but for a few hundred rupees they beat the hell out of our black tar goat tracks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 18, 2022 12:50 pm

It is, but Morrison’s brother isn’t on the Medical Board.
There are 15 separate boards under AHPRA.

Fucking hell.
That’s nearly enough boards to build a deck.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 18, 2022 12:51 pm

Oz is reporting:

NSW Supreme Court judge Ian Harrison is ready to deliver his verdict in the trial of former teacher Chris Dawson for the alleged murder of his wife Lynette.

Justice Harrison will convict or acquit Mr Dawson on Tuesday, August 30.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 18, 2022 12:53 pm

Lawmaker Tearily Explains Teen Almost Lost Uterus Because of Abortion Law He Voted For

Teens can get the whole lot thrown to the surgeon’s cat if they claim to be trans during a period of adolescent mania.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 12:54 pm

monty’s latest foray into law lacks all credibility because he thinks that the legal concepts that apply after birth to all human beings become, somehow, inert before birth even though we would be extending the same legal protections to the child in utero that already apply to human beings following birth. Concepts like mens rea, reasonable foreseeability, proximity, and the like. Apparently, and all of a sudden, in monty’s mind, a pregnant mother driving is justiciable, but a nursing mother with her toddler beside her in the car is not. Absurd.

The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

The mere fact that test laws in US states have involved lawyers appointed to argue on behalf of a fetus is chilling enough. Fetal personhood is a highly extreme law, and it is one of the end goals of the Opus Dei Six on the court… an ongoing battle which you endorsed.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 18, 2022 12:54 pm

Take a Look Inside a Cricket Farm…Which Is Where Your Food Will Come From Soon

It’s astonishing how, by the time we normal folk first hear of a new Globalist Socialist initiative, it turns out there’s already a significant amount of infrastructure in place. Take eating bugs, for example. Did you know that there are currently sizable cricket farms in many parts of the world, including Canada and the United States? Or that cricket flour is already used in some foods?

For example, Entomo Farms in Canada currently produces a weekly harvest of 50 million crickets, which it mills into 9,000 pounds of “protein.” The owners plan to triple production within a year. Some of the “cricket flour” goes into pet foods, while some is added to foods made for human consumption. And some of the insects are used intact as seasoned snack foods. The cricket producer already sells its products under the brand name Actually Foods.

Business Insider posted an informational video on Friday that gives a look into daily operations at Entomo Farms. It’s seven minutes long and fairly interesting if you’re not the kind that gets skeeved out at the sight of mounds of insects:

P
P
August 18, 2022 12:56 pm

The CDC Failed, So Spin It Off and Make It More Powerful?
Jeffrey A. Tucker – August 17, 2022 – Brownstone Institute

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 12:59 pm

Another report on the Louisiana acrania case.

Acrania does not appear on the state’s list of accepted conditions for abortion. But the state also has a broad exception for any “profound and irremediable congenital or chromosomal anomaly existing in the unborn child that is incompatible with sustaining life after birth in reasonable medical judgment.”

Two physicians must sign off on the anomaly. But Woman’s still said it would not perform the abortion.

“In the absence of additional guidance, we must look at each patient’s individual circumstances and remain in compliance with all current state laws to the best of our ability,” said Caroline Isemann, a hospital spokesperson, in a statement.

Of course you will blame the hospital, but it’s not their fault. They are trying not to get sued under a stupid law.

Dot
Dot
August 18, 2022 12:59 pm

The New South Wales Education Standards Authority (NESA) accused the school of using unaccredited teachers, not following the minimum primary and high school curriculum, and not providing a “safe and supportive environment” for its pupils.

Lawl

State and compulsory education is child abuse and indoctrination.

The best thing you can do is:

1. Work.
2. Travel.
3. Learn on your own or with a private tutor.

That would be a better education than virtually all schooling.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 18, 2022 1:01 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
August 18, 2022 at 11:56 am

The Aboriginal industry is going to great lengths to ridicule any suggestion of previous “invasions” – strange, they can’t account for the photographs of the “pygmies” taken in North Queensland in the late 1930’s.

There is a definite connection between the Kimberley region in W.A. and Africa as demonstrated by the confluence of the Bradshaw paintings and the boab tree. Les Hiddins, the Bush Tucker Man, looks at both (from the 13 minute mark here).

Dot
Dot
August 18, 2022 1:02 pm

The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

Legal literalism and deference to the constitution and legislature is “lawlessness” now is it?

Completely absurd. Laughable.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 1:04 pm

Another anecdote about the intended consequences of these barbaric bills.

Now, Monty, just think what happens when a seven year old gets to adulthood and regrets that her parents had her uterus removed. Or a boy who no longer has a dick because of mad lefties and their gender obsessions. There are thousands of these poor people and you’ve found one anecdote.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 1:05 pm

The ending of that latest Louisiana story is just heartbreaking.

The nearest abortion clinic that can take Davis is an eight-hour drive, and would require a week’s stay because she needs a consultation before the procedure.

“I can’t just get up and shoot out; I have kids,” said Davis, who has a 13-year-old and a 1-year-old and no transportation, after a hit-and-run wreck totaled her car a few months back.

Florida also bans abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy, and Davis is now nearing 14 weeks. The next-closest state, North Carolina, is a 15-hour drive.

In desperation, Davis visited Care Pregnancy Clinic, a pregnancy crisis center that discourages abortions, on Flannery Road. Staff gave her information on how to bury the baby and said their prayers were with her.

“It makes me feel horrible, like I’m alone in this,” Davis said. “It makes me feel like they just threw me to the wolves.”

After being told to go to Florida, Davis said she wanted other people to know how laws decided in the Louisiana Legislature play out in real life.

“I never in a million years thought it would affect me like this,” she said. “It seems like Louisiana is the hardest place right now to get that done. They don’t even wanna say that word.”

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 1:07 pm

Not really. She should never have been discharged, and there are clearly alternative treatments available that accord with the principle of double effect that would allow the mother to receive adequate care without dismembering the child in utero while it is still alive.

Like what? I am getting sick of you saying you know better than the doctors.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 1:09 pm

Entomo Farms in Canada currently produces a weekly harvest of 50 million crickets, which it mills into 9,000 pounds of “protein.”

Where’s PETA? Or Animals Australia? Don’t they care that fifty million creatures are being ground into bug dust?

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 1:09 pm

“I don’t think a compromise is possible. Either women get rights, or the US gets fascism.”

The compromise was Roe v Wade – abortion OK up until viability. The (extreme) right was not entirely happy with that, but it was a suitable compromise. Had the Dems actually “codified” this, it would likely have passed. But they went too far.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 18, 2022 1:11 pm

Big_Nambas @ 7:54am I’m reading Robert F. Kennedy’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci. Read it and weep.

Yep, Big Pharma and their regulatory co-conspirators have been rolling out various versions of the scam for decades – HIV, Statins, Healthy food pyramid……

I was in the local farm supplies shop earlier and the shelves there are brimming full of all the various ‘vaccines’ you need to pump into your sheep or cattle these days to keep them ‘healthy’. Once you open your eyes, its all around you.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 1:16 pm

Another anecdote about the intended consequences of these barbaric bills.

And probably about as accurate as m0nty-fa’s two earlier examples. Each blown out of proportion, by ignoring the actual law in the particular state.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 1:19 pm

The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

Unlike the previous court, which managed to find the “right” to an abortion in an “emanation from a penumbra” in the Constitution?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 1:21 pm

The ending of that latest Louisiana story is just heartbreaking.

ROFL. She’s distressed that she can’t kill another human and doubly distressed when some people told her that was wrong to do?

The excuses are fun too. Childcare, what’s that? Travelling to another state? How inconvenient!

Of course the poor kid was inconvenienced a little more, for like forever, since he or she never got a chance to live. Unlike you.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 1:24 pm

I wonder how they screen out cricket faeces? Or does that get ground up to make “flour” too?

Jorge
Jorge
August 18, 2022 1:25 pm

On contraception:

We know from studies such as the 2007 “Changes in measured endometrial thickness predict in vitro fertilization success” that the thickness of a woman’s endometrium—the lining of her uterus—determines the likelihood of the successful implantation of an embryo. If an embryo—a living human by all characteristics – does not implant, it is passed out of the uterus in what’s popularly called a miscarriage, or a spontaneous abortion. (If you’re interested, this study also showed that oral contraceptive use also altered the quality of the endometrium, the markers associated with “endometrial receptivity.”)

We’ve known for quite a while that the use of oral contraceptives has the capacity to thin a woman’s endometrium. The 1997 study “The effects of monophasic and triphasic oral contraceptives on ovarian function and endometrial thickness” found that “endometrial thickness in OC users was significantly smaller than in controls”, that is, than in women who were not using oral contraceptives.

A 2001 study of one the most popular oral contraceptives on the market, Yasmin, found that … oral contraceptives have the effect of thinning the endometrium.

Such evidence is compelling enough for many pro-lifers to err on the side of life.
However, the birth control pill’s status as a potential abortifacient has not found universal agreement, even with pro lifers.

Olivia Newton John and Serena Williams are just two well known women who have lamented the difficulty of conceiving and carrying a child to full term. After years of pumping their bodies with chemicals designed to inhibit conception is it so surprising ?

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 1:27 pm

ROFL. She’s distressed that she can’t kill another human and doubly distressed when some people told her that was wrong to do?

The excuses are fun too. Childcare, what’s that? Travelling to another state? How inconvenient!

Of course the poor kid was inconvenienced a little more, for like forever, since he or she never got a chance to live. Unlike you.

The “kid” never had a chance to live. It has no skull.

But of course you don’t care.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 1:28 pm

lol. De Santis saying Florida is ‘the State where Woke goes to die’. What’s more, he makes it happen.

We are looking forward to a road trip around Florida on our way to Alabama and Louisiana and then back to Miami after we dock at Fort Lauderdale following our (resumed rom 2020) Panama cruise. We will be there for the mid-terms, so it should be a lot of fun.

Any hints and info for October in the southern US States welcome from travelling Cats.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 1:30 pm

Yeshiva College, which is located in the Sydney suburb of Bondi, was given a non-compliance grade for curriculum, teaching and governance rules.

Are they going to fight this closure? It seems extreme and a form of persecution.

Shouldn’t they ask for comparitors in Christian and Islamic Schools?

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 1:35 pm

“The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

The mere fact that test laws in US states …”

That is your conflation M0nty – SCOTUS merely said “It is not in the constitution, therefore goes back to the states.” And anyone who has ever looked more than passing at legal debate on Roe v Wade knows it was always extremely dodgy.

So since we know what your opinion on states that want a total ban on abortions is, perhaps you would like to opine on places like California that want abortion legal at 8 and a half months. Remember that “abortion” as defined by US authorities results in NO live birth – surely at 8 and a half months, there is no need to kill a viable child, even if it does risk the mothers life. At that stage, simply perform a C-section to terminate the pregnancy only, not the life of the child makes a lot more sense. But they are literally saying (as per China!) that the “doctor” can kill the child while it’s head is protruding, but the rest of it’s body is not yet “born”.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 1:35 pm

Next we’ll have Asian Ents, presumably the herders of Ginkgo biloba.

Im thinking…

Star wars had Ewocks.

LOTR NEEDS bonsai Ents…

maybe we could do a crossover and have Groot make a guest appearance!

The fanbase of both series will lap it up.

/creative off.

Frank
Frank
August 18, 2022 1:36 pm

I wonder how they screen out cricket faeces?

Is there much difference materially between crickets and their droppings.

How long until we are here.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 1:36 pm

Monty is fine with this..

https://thepostmillennial.com/california-gender-clinic-treats-patients-as-young-as-2-years-old

If you cant mutilate them pre birth, 2 years old is the next best opportunity.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 18, 2022 1:36 pm

Been listening to GB News Mark Steyn 17 August show. Ladies and white males will be interested in his first two segments!

Scottish Govt has created new position of Period Dignity Officer. Naturally a white male.

UK RAF recruiting boss has resigned as RAF no longer interested in recruiting white males. Good references to Biggles and the non diverse Guy Gibson VC and Dambusters (clip from movie played).

A female commentator from Conservative Woman web page then talks about the irony of a white male becoming Period Dignity Officer but probably could not be recruited into RAF.

Just had a conversation with somebody. Hopes that they charge Trump with something because if he becomes President again “within a month it will be the end of the world as we know it”. Literally believes he was giving away nuclear secrets. Evidence not an issue but just stop him. Simply could not respond as the derangement and lack of info is so strong.

areff
areff
August 18, 2022 1:37 pm

Lizzie, Pit Boss barbecue joints.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 1:38 pm

If the water has broken, how long will the child in utero survive? A few days? Weeks? If it’s a few days keep in her in hospital. If it’s a week or more, can she be sent home and treated as an outpatient? Once the miscarriage occurs, examine her in order to manage the risk to her uterus/ sepsis/ etc. Alternatively, you could also simply remove the child in tact from the mother and provide it whatever care you could until nature took its course, the same way we treat neonates on the edge of our current technology.

The fetus in the Louisiana acrania is 13 weeks old. The waters aren’t going to break any time soon. There will likely not be a miscarriage, as the fetus can survive perfectly well until a normal 40-week gestation is done. Removing a 13-week-old fetus intact in the absence of any signs of early delivery would be tantamount to an abortion, and would be treated by the courts that way.

You are really bad at this stuff, db. Embarrassingly bad. Try not second-guessing specialist doctors.

Lysander
Lysander
August 18, 2022 1:41 pm

The ABC has been forced correct a sports story and headline about transgender athletes after an internal review found the story was “materially misleading” about transgender women’s physical advantages.

The review by the organisation’s Audience and Consumer Affairs found the story did not include relevant research showing that trans women “can retain physical advantages”.

Hmmm, interesting! Only last week commie Geoff Hutchison was on theirABC saying “studies after studies showing no advantage” – must’ve been a talking point.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 1:41 pm

I am going to scroll over any more of the abortion discussion. It has all been said, gone over, and M0nty has been shown the door effectively enough. In the previous discussions on Sinc’s Cat most Cat commenters agreed to disagree re absolutist vs nuanced positions on early first trimester abortions. That is the only way to go with that topic. There was no approval of later term abortions and Abbott’s ‘safe, legal and rare’ was endorsed or not, as the case may be. The endless ‘debate’ with M0nty is going nowhere. A guest thread maybe, for those who can’t let it be now?

Others may feel a desire to continue it; that’s their concern not mine. Scrolling ……

harrys on the boat
harrys on the boat
August 18, 2022 1:45 pm

“I don’t think a compromise is possible. Either women get rights, or the US gets fascism.”

What is a woman?

Gabor
Gabor
August 18, 2022 1:45 pm

I wonder how they screen out cricket faeces? Or does that get ground up to make “flour” too?

That was the one thing holding me back from trying fried insects when in China.
How do you gut them?
You don’t.

Jorge
Jorge
August 18, 2022 1:46 pm

Journalist of the Year Nick McKenzie of The Age and 60 Minutes wrote a story some weeks back about a bloke with a Nazi tattoo who laughed it off when a server in his pub spat in his beer after a short conversation.

The right wing Nazi was last night stabbed in the back of the neck by an African who recognised him from the news story. I wouldn’t expect to read about it in McKenzie’s paper.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 1:52 pm

Lizzie, Pit Boss barbecue joints.

Noted, thanks areff. I suspect they will be better than the super-trendy Chop House restaurant where we met up with friends in London. They specialise in meat-only meals (a sort of wokerati’s last chance to pig out sanctioned under the guise of a nouveau foodie experience). They piled up four different types of meats, roasted or BBQ’d and nothing else. I found it fairly indigestible with no chips, salad or vegies on the menu and the meat wouldn’t pass muster at most Aussie barbies.

Best BBQ was the meat-only BBQ in Monte Video in Uruguay. Now there’s a people who know that meat is meat and can be eaten in total glut. Interestingly, no fatties in the streets on this diet either.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 18, 2022 1:58 pm

On ScoMo doing a Napoleon and crowning himself King of Everything.
His supposed reasons were to create a back-up in case ministers were incapacitated by Kung Flu.
OK.
1. If you are trying to create redundancy in any system, you create a daisy chain of back-ups. You don’t concentrate all the back-up authority at a single point of failure (i.e. ScoMo’s office).
2. You clearly communicate firstly that the back-up arrangements actually exist and what how they would work (including trigger points for activating back-up) so that contradictory orders aren’t issued by Sheriff and Deputy simultaneously.
3. If it was only intended to be used in case of incapacity, why was it’s only practical application to scotch an offshore gas exploration permit when the relevant minister was upright and breathing and working just down the hall?
However, apart from short-cutting the gas permit to appease the wets, no real harm was done, and I don’t think there was a particularly sinister intent.
I think it was all just fodder for the memoirs.
Chapter 21 – “Carrying The World on My Shoulders
The only question for me is which photographic theme did they go with?
1. The Full Winston. Resolutely gazing out beyond the horizon, cigar clamped between his teeth and one hand grasping the lapel of his suit-coat? (Maybe leave out the two finger salute).
2. Cuban Missile JFK. Silhouetted in the window of the Oval Office, head bowed and deep in thought.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
August 18, 2022 2:01 pm

m0ntysays:
August 18, 2022 at 12:08 pm
Note: the “basic freedoms” I was talking about that a future Fetal Person Court would restrict would be the freedom to drink, drive, smoke, play sport, work, or do anything else that might conceivably harm an unborn baby. Which would all be fair game for law suits under the doctrine of fetal personhood. I wasn’t even thinking about abortions.

Poor old shiteater.
This has been explained to him clearly and in detail, but he’s too stupid to understand.
It’s desperately sad.

m0ntysays:
August 18, 2022 at 12:54 pm
[monty’s latest foray into law lacks all credibility because he thinks that the legal concepts that apply after birth to all human beings become, somehow, inert before birth even though we would be extending the same legal protections to the child in utero that already apply to human beings following birth. Concepts like mens rea, reasonable foreseeability, proximity, and the like. Apparently, and all of a sudden, in monty’s mind, a pregnant mother driving is justiciable, but a nursing mother with her toddler beside her in the car is not. Absurd.]

The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

The mere fact that test laws in US states have involved lawyers appointed to argue on behalf of a fetus is chilling enough. Fetal personhood is a highly extreme law, and it is one of the end goals of the Opus Dei Six on the court… an ongoing battle which you endorsed.

Poor old shiteater. What a hopelessly risible attempt to evade the utterly humiliating refutation of his bullshit.
And the whole “personhood” thing has been clearly explained to him in ways which should have made it clear even to a dim bulb like him what shit he’s talking. Same with the proper role of a Court.
It’s desperately sad.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 18, 2022 2:02 pm

Entomo Farms in Canada currently produces a weekly harvest of 50 million crickets, which it mills into 9,000 pounds of “protein.”

And already we hear they are starting to sneak it into processed foods – probably hidden under the label ‘protein powder’ or something similar.

Fortunately, once I went down the ‘keto/carnivore’ rabbit hole, I learned that the only healthy foods are those with only ONE ingredient – ie ‘beef’ or ‘lamb’ or ‘tomato’. Anything processed has all sorts of unhealthy fillers in it, particularly carbohydrates (especially High Fructose Corn Syrup) and seed oils which were never part of the diets of our ancestors.

harrys on the boat
harrys on the boat
August 18, 2022 2:05 pm

So you embarrassed yourself again, Monty. You are dreadfully bad and incompetent at this. Not a serious person.

Change “this” for “life” and that would be your perfect epitaph, m0nty.

Barry
Barry
August 18, 2022 2:05 pm

Gabor says:
August 18, 2022 at 1:45 pm

I wonder how they screen out cricket faeces? Or does that get ground up to make “flour” too?

That was the one thing holding me back from trying fried insects when in China.
How do you gut them?
You don’t.

Insects are absolutely riddled with parasites, from viruses right up to worms, malaria plasmodia mosquitos), flukes, sleeping sickness trypanosomes (tsetse fly) etc, etc on and fucking on.

Why would you advocate the mass consumption of a class of animals whose long term health effects are conspicuously unstudied.

Oh, right, just like mandating untested vaccines. That’s allright then. Carry on.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 18, 2022 2:12 pm

Eating insects means you eat a lot of crap from rotting debris. I guess they sterilise it. What you also eat is the various poisonous chemicals (to us humans) that insects use to fend of predators.

I can’t think of anything nastier as a culinary innovation. Makes eating eels and lampreys a doddle. And eating rats and other small rodents almost inviting. Those with aboriginal ancestry may fancy a snake or a lizard feast. Just make mine a steak, medium rare, or nicely pink roast lamb or beef, or some soft pulled pork. A fish if you insist and I will pay very good money for other the marine delights: prawns, lobsters, scallops, crayfish, octopus, oysters and calamari, some of which may seem adventurous but which are proven in cuisine.

Keep your damned insects to yourself.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 18, 2022 2:12 pm

The ABC has been forced correct a sports story and headline about transgender athletes after an internal review found the story was “materially misleading” about transgender women’s physical advantages.

‘Errors’ have to be particularly egregious for the ABC to admit it about themselves.

They normally spin a cocoon of undergraduate sophistry around the point of contention until people get bored and move on – because other people actually have things to do.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 18, 2022 2:13 pm

Best BBQ was the meat-only BBQ in Monte Video in Uruguay. Now there’s a people who know that meat is meat and can be eaten in total glut. Interestingly, no fatties in the streets on this diet either.

We knew this in 1957 (before the experts got into the act) Exhibit A:

Treating Overweight Patients. Thorpe GL. JAMA 1957, 165(11): 1361-65. Abstract: The simplest to prepare and most easily obtainable high-protein, high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet, and the one that will produce the most rapid loss of weight without hunger, weakness, lethargy, or constipation, is made up of meat, fat, and water. The total quantity eaten need not be noted, but the ratio of three parts of lean to one part of fat must be maintained. Usually within two or three days, the patient is found to be taking about 170 Gm. of lean meat and 57 Gm. of fat three times a day. Black coffee, clear tea, and water are unrestricted, and the salt intake is not reduced

Frank
Frank
August 18, 2022 2:15 pm

Why would you advocate the mass consumption of a class of animals whose long term health effects are conspicuously unstudied.

They won’t be advocating or mandating anything. They will reduce supply and increase prices and just let poverty do the job for them. That way they get to keep eating wagyu.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 18, 2022 2:17 pm

The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

Legal literalism and deference to the constitution and legislature is “lawlessness” now is it?

Do I have to ask who the cretin was that said that about the SCOTUS?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 18, 2022 2:18 pm

ALL courts must be partisan because they always end up agreeing with one side or the other.

Bring back duelling!

Honey-glazed Krispy Kremes at 50 paces!

sfw
sfw
August 18, 2022 2:19 pm

The only time I’ve eaten insects was when cycle racing and training, the odd fly can make it into the back of the throat and goes down before you can spit it out.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 2:20 pm

They will reduce supply and increase prices and just let poverty do the job for them.

Do you work for AER as well?

Or it it just a coincidence this approach works for carbin reduction as well?

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 18, 2022 2:29 pm

Old Bloke @ 1:01 p:
There is a definite connection between the Kimberley region in W.A. and Africa as demonstrated by the confluence of the Bradshaw paintings and the boab tree

Hiddins’ note that the dreamtime story for the reason the boab tree looks the way it does is the same story in Madagascar.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 2:38 pm

If you follow my two responses they were to the South Carolina case you mentioned above, obvious from what I quoted and discussed

And you were also dead wrong on that one. The doctors said they could not legally remove the fetus. You are making things up.

You try to avoid the horrific consequences of the laws you support by claiming that there is always an ethical and legal loophole to avoid leaving the woman to get sick and die. Yet the doctors in these cases are forced by their hospital’s lawyers -who actually read and understand the laws – to leave the woman to get sick and die. You bleat and you prevaricate, but these are the facts in these cases.

The point of these laws is to set up a legal situation where a woman is forced though having no other support option to go to a religious centre for advice, which is to prepare for a Christian burial and send her on her way with thoughts and prayers. This is theocratic fascism at work. Women will die needlessly as a consequence, and you don’t care. This is what you want.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 2:44 pm

Montys moving on from huffing the icing sugar to mainlining the dough straight from the packet/.

The point of these laws is to set up a legal situation where a woman is forced though having no other support option to go to a religious centre for advice, which is to prepare for a Christian burial and send her on her way with thoughts and prayers. This is theocratic fascism at work. Women will die needlessly as a consequence, and you don’t care. This is what you want.

His uterus was throbbing as he emoted out those hysterical lines.

Monty seems to believe the issue is better “resolved” at the Federal level by s jurdge with proper standing… Unless they make the wrong decision.
In which case they are a jurdge with improper standing..

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
August 18, 2022 2:53 pm

The point of these laws is to set up a legal situation where a woman is forced though having no other support option to go to a religious centre for advice, which is to prepare for a Christian burial and send her on her way with thoughts and prayers.

This is exactly correct! No abortion restriction law anywhere in the world has a “danger to the mother” exception.

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 3:06 pm

@M0nty:

You haven’t answered this, so just in case you missed it:

“So since we know what your opinion on states that want a total ban on abortions is, perhaps you would like to opine on places like California that want abortion legal at 8 and a half months. “

Just asking about the “other extreme”, you see.

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 3:13 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

I wonder when the proles will realize the lefties they’re looking to save them are the ones causing the crisis? Let them eat cake v2.0.

Nothing our Governments and Leaders are doing is tackling the problems our society faces, and everything they are doing is making them worse.
And every problem we face has its roots in government action or inaction. Every one of them.

I think there will be a war, and here’s why:
.1 War requires redirection of resources. Rationing/eat the bugs. Meatless weekends + MWF.
.2 War requires sacrifices. Conscription/civil conscription.
.3 War requires control of the civilian population – Travel bans/fuel rationing/ID cards. You will need permission to travel outside your local area.
.4 War requires money. Expect higher taxes/ a special war tax for the duration which is then folded into the PAYE/CGT/GST to make a “land fit for heroes” – you know, just like the last two big wars.
.5 War kills people. Does that really need explaining?
.6 War creates lots of desperate refugees. And orphans. Remember the abuse undergone by the child evacuees from Britain?
. 7 Redirection of the civil industrial economy. This creates winners and losers on the stockmarket. Guess who will have a heads up on the winners?
Everything the bastards are doing is pointing in this direction, and nothing is pointing away.
Prove me wrong.

Morsie
Morsie
August 18, 2022 3:15 pm

Hard cases make bad law which is why we should legislate at leisure.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 3:22 pm

Nothing from Albanese on Vietnam Veterans Day – 60 years commemoration of our involvement. Lest We Forget.
Thursday, 18 August 2022

Michael Smith News. No comment from Albo – he’s too busy, flying to the Torres Strait, to discuss the “Voice” with the locals…

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 3:22 pm

Farmer Gez:

Just finished reading Paul Ham’s book on Vietnam. He conveys the lethal chaos of Long Tan very well.

I watched the Long Tan documentary a few nights ago. How they managed to keep up the fight with little more than first line ammo is beyond me.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 18, 2022 3:23 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
August 18, 2022 at 1:52 pm

Best BBQ was the meat-only BBQ in Monte Video in Uruguay. Now there’s a people who know that meat is meat and can be eaten in total glut. Interestingly, no fatties in the streets on this diet either.

Not only were there no fatties, there probably would have been no diabetes sufferers either if they were living on a keto diet.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 3:29 pm

Went to one of those “celebration of meat” restaurants in Argentina. Prepared in all sorts of ways. The most impressive was the steaks on swords.

They were all slim and rosy too. Salads were optional but delicious.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 3:31 pm

Lol – the waiters were slim and rosy, not the meat!

Definitely medium rare and lean. 😀

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 3:32 pm

“This is theocratic fascism at work. Women will die needlessly as a consequence, and you don’t care. This is what you want.”

Meanwhile, the leftists are busy burning and otherwise destroying the “Crisis Pregnancy Centres” that offer free nappies and other needful things – often times, it is the case that the woman would like to keep the child, but cannot afford it. When she finds out that these people are prepared to help, offering not just advice, but also material goods and services, they no longer want an abortion.
When the left attacks these places, they not only destroy the lives of unborn babies, they leave women wracked with guilt that they had to get an abortion because they were too poor to keep a baby.
And you don’t care. That is what you want.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 3:34 pm

How they managed to keep up the fight with little more than first line ammo is beyond me.

Umm, ammunition resupply flown by 9 Squadron, Royal Australian Air Force may have had something to do with the matter.

cohenite
August 18, 2022 3:34 pm

I don’t think a compromise is possible.

I agree; either you have a dick or you don’t. You don’t.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 3:34 pm

I picked up my new car today, hot off the carrier.

It has pretty much all the features of european model without the price. I had to laugh – if the key is in my purse and my arms are full of parcels, I can wave my foot under the tailgate and it opens. Not sure I want to try it – I’d probably fall over.

Lysander
Lysander
August 18, 2022 3:42 pm

Monty – do you agree with post-birth abortion (in some extreme cases?).

Then, have one.

JC
JC
August 18, 2022 3:44 pm

You appear to be very penis focused, Cronkite. Is there anything you would like to tell us like hurdling over to the other side?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 3:47 pm

I agree; either you have a dick or you don’t. You don’t.

WRONG!

Explain monty.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 3:48 pm

Lysander – Lefties only do it to other people. They’re holy to their god, which is themselves.

The arrogance and callousness the Left displays can be quite hard to swallow sometimes.

Kneel
Kneel
August 18, 2022 3:52 pm

” Not sure I want to try it – I’d probably fall over.”

Te he. For some reason this reminds me of what I recently saw binge watch “Bones” – “You know those motion sensitive curtains you put in our bedroom? You gotta do something about that – when we have sex, they keep opening, closing, opening, closing… it’s very distracting.”

JC
JC
August 18, 2022 3:57 pm

Wow Seth Dillon, CEO of Babylon Bee, talks talks to Rogan about Abortion.

Abortion is to healthcare like rape is to love making. And he doesn’t let go.

Cool dude.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1560025952616415232

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 3:58 pm

My phone is finally paired and the GPS now knows “Home”. Still haven’t worked out the radio settings – I want Hits from Heaven (Rhema) not RapnCrap.

And the big one – turning off the annoying voice that tells me to “Obey the Road Rules!” in a stentorian Karen tone. It did that when to limit went from 80 down to 50 and I nearly flew through the roof in a panic.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 4:07 pm

Yes, there is always an alternative to deliberately dismembering the child while it still lives.

This is what I am talking about when I say you are always begging the question. Every time you assume every abortion involves live dismemberment. It is difficult to argue with someone using such fundamental logical fallacies as their main argument.

I have brought up a series of anecdotes that highlight the barbarism of the post-Dobbs legal situation in America, and every time you deny the facts of the case. That is because you have no answer, no solution, no moral position to defend. The consequences of your policy preferences are monstrous, and you refuse to face them.

You are a moral coward.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 4:08 pm

Just think calli, instead of a bell ringing you get karen. Pavlov would be proud.

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 4:15 pm

Indolent:

“sweeping reorganization” at CDC to “restore public trust”
that phrase may not mean what they hope you think it does

Which is why the entire edifice must be pulled down, because the sooner we do it, the sooner we can rebuild and the less loss of life there will be.

Lysander
Lysander
August 18, 2022 4:15 pm

You are a moral coward.

Send us a link to where you apologised for being wrong, yet again, on saying “Trump appointed Reinhart judge.”

Waiting…. “coward”

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 4:19 pm

Top ender:

91% of motorists back plan to force cyclists to sport registration plates, poll suggests

I support this because I’m sick of the pack mentality and the smug posturing of saving the human race on my taxes.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 4:20 pm

Isn’t the point that you don’t dismember perfectly healthy babies that just aren’t wanted? By the thousands?

All these weird and wonderful exceptions, when the real cruelty continues unabated.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 18, 2022 4:25 pm

mUnted, earlier:

The waters aren’t going to break any time soon.

Speculation.

There will likely not be a miscarriage,

Speculation.

as the fetus can survive perfectly well until a normal 40-week gestation is done.

Speculation.

Removing a 13-week-old fetus intact in the absence of any signs of early delivery would be tantamount to an abortion,

Opinion.

and would be treated by the courts that way.

Speculation.

No wonder your own blog failed, if this is the standard of high-end discussion you shovelled into it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 4:26 pm

Monty now wants to quibble over “well we dont always pull the baby to pieces, sometimes we poison it” as a gotcha.

Sad.
https://pregnancylansing.com/abortion/methods/

The blunt reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FFu1B28sIo

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
August 18, 2022 4:32 pm

m0ntysays:
August 18, 2022 at 4:07 pm

I have brought up a series of anecdotes that highlight the barbarism of the post-Dobbs legal situation in America,

Like the Ohio one, for which far and away the most logical explanation is that a child abuser was using “the post-Dobbs legal situation” as specious cover for trying to evade mandatory child abuse laws, despite the clear applicability (on WHO public statements) of the “danger to the mother” exception.

In every one of your “anecdotes” it turns out that there is an actual exception which would cover the case you’re hyperventilating about. You even admitted that yourself about the Louisiana case at 12.59pm.

But you won’t take “yes” for an answer. Because, like the baby killing industry that hypes up those “anecdotes”, you need to pretend that the exceptions are unavailable in order to dissemble that those cases somehow show that any limit on killing any unborn baby anywhere any time is “barbaric”.

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 4:32 pm

I was in the local farm supplies shop earlier and the shelves there are brimming full of all the various ‘vaccines’ you need to pump into your sheep or cattle these days to keep them ‘healthy’. Once you open your eyes, its all around you.

Many years ago, when I assembled my first numbers of Galloway cows, I naturally vaccinated every one with the recommended vaccines. Although I intended to subsequently vaccinate them annually (as recommended in the industry) , a veterinary friend gave me “the wink” & said that once they’re initially vaccinated, there is no further need – especially since these were breeding, not commercial cattle. I was very surprised. They have not been vaccinated since then, and have been free from disease – with the exception of Bovine Ephemeral Fever – for which there is no foolproof vaccine.

What they do get – initially annually, now several ties a year – is Ivermectin, for both parasites and BEF. Lucky blighters!

Dot
Dot
August 18, 2022 4:35 pm

. The doctors said they could not legally remove the fetus. You are making things up.

Citations needed!

Dot
Dot
August 18, 2022 4:38 pm

Okay so is monty cool with coercing doctors to perform abortions?

cohenite
August 18, 2022 4:43 pm

You appear to be very penis focused, Cronkite.

What do you prioritise head prefect?

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 4:44 pm

There is a definite connection between the Kimberley region in W.A. and Africa as demonstrated by the confluence of the Bradshaw paintings and the boab tree. Les Hiddins, the Bush Tucker Man, looks at both (from the 13 minute mark here).

I have always thought that he very very dark skins of those in southern India, together with many of their facial features – particularly in the old men – very much resemble many of our full blood Aborigines. In fact, many conjecture that our indigenous people may have originated in India, rather than Africa.

I have seen the Bradshaws in the Kimberley – particularly below the Mitchell Falls. They are very beautiful, very elegant. When they were first discovered, the local Aborigines called them “rubbish art” & completely denied any connection with their local culture. I understand that the contemporary mob now claims them – no doubt because of their fame & attraction for so many tourists.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 4:56 pm

The fetus in the Louisiana acrania is 13 weeks old. The waters aren’t going to break any time soon. There will likely not be a miscarriage, as the fetus can survive perfectly well until a normal 40-week gestation is done.

Dr m0nty-fa, pediatrician, has not examined the mother, but knows all this. What a wonder medico, and a tragedy he instead pursued j’ism.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 18, 2022 4:59 pm

Anyone critical of monkeypoxers simply doesn’t understand the bigotry involved.

Or……… (the Hun):

A horrific case of monkeypox has seen a man’s nose begin to rot, after he was initially misdiagnosed with having sunburn.

The 40-year-old German was reportedly sent home after seeking medical advice for a red spot that had developed on his nose.

A few days later, the lesion had turned black, while pus-filled sores popped up all over his body. The sores were particularly severe around the man’s mouth and penis.

Oh dear. I hope someone doesn’t complain about the rampant ‘gentlemen’s baths’ practice of rooting as many blokes as you can (or vice versa). That would be unjust:

Further tests revealed he also had syphilis and was HIV positive.

The previously undiagnosed sexually transmitted diseases were advanced, with the syphilis having spread to multiple organs, and the HIV having developed into AIDS.

Absolutely no different to anybody else, those blokes. Could happen to anyone. Even dogs:

A first case of human-to-dog transmission of monkeypox – between two men and their Italian greyhound living together in Paris – has been reported in the medical journal The Lancet.

“This is the first case reported of human-to-animal transmission .. and we believe it is the first instance of a canine being infected,” Rosamund Lewis, the WHO’s technical lead for monkeypox, told reporters.

Experts had been aware of the theoretical risk that such a jump could happen, she said, adding that public health agencies had already been advising those suffering from the disease to “isolate from their pets”.

By ‘isolate from’ I assume she means ‘don’t root’ your pets.

These people have their own flag. Their own flag.

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 5:02 pm

This was posted on the Jo Nova blog:
The full 104 page UNREDACTED Pfizer EU purchase agreement!

… The Participating Member State further acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the Vaccine are not currently known and there may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known. Further, to the extent applicable, the Participating Member State acknowledges that the Vaccine shall not be serialized.”

https://www.rai.it/dl/doc/2021/04/17/1618676600910_APA%20BioNTech%20Pfizer__.pdf

cohenite
August 18, 2022 5:05 pm

These people have their own flag. Their own flag.

So do the 3rd nations who were cannibals.

Vicki
Vicki
August 18, 2022 5:05 pm

Another fascinating post from Jo Nova’s website:

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/47
Study Reveals Blood Abnormalities in 94% of COVID Vaccinated Participants

Dark -Field Microscopic Analysis on the Blood of 1,006 Symptomatic Persons After Anti-COVID mRNA Injections from Pfizer/BioNtech or Moderna

In the present study we analyzed with a dark-field optical microscope the peripheral blood drop from 1,006 symptomatic subjects after inoculation with an mRNA injection (Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna), starting from March 2021. There were 948 subjects (94% of the total sample) whose blood showed aggregation of erythrocytes and the presence of particles of various shapes and sizes of unclear origin one month after the mRNA inoculation. In 12 subjects, blood was examined with the same method before vaccination, showing a perfectly normal hematological distribution. The alterations found after the inoculation of the mRNA injections further reinforce the suspicion that the modifications were due to the so-called “vaccines” themselves.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 5:07 pm

Kneelsays:
August 18, 2022 at 3:06 pm
@M0nty:

You haven’t answered this, so just in case you missed it:

“So since we know what your opinion on states that want a total ban on abortions is, perhaps you would like to opine on places like California that want abortion legal at 8 and a half months. “

Just asking about the “other extreme”, you see.

While you are at m0nty-fa, please address the issues of sex selective abortions (which usually lead to the abortion of female fetuses) and “lifestyle” abortions (“That was a great root, but I was too lazy to insist he wear a franger, and I would really find a baby inconvenient at this time in my career.”)

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 5:08 pm

Indolent:
Cats and dogs.
As much as I dislike it, those two dogs would get a belting with a piece of polypipe.
Not in the mood to put up with naughty, disobedient pets, it’s not cute, and its not tolerable.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
August 18, 2022 5:08 pm

KD
Surely pets should now come with a warning label. ‘No rooting me. May contain traces of pox’

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 18, 2022 5:12 pm

Lysandersays:
August 18, 2022 at 4:15 pm
You are a moral coward.

Send us a link to where you apologised for being wrong, yet again, on saying “Trump appointed Reinhart judge.”

Waiting…. “coward”

And also to your apology to Cardinal Pell, for wrongly calling him a “rock spider”.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 18, 2022 5:20 pm

Vicki says:
August 18, 2022 at 4:44 pm

I have always thought that he very very dark skins of those in southern India, together with many of their facial features – particularly in the old men – very much resemble many of our full blood Aborigines. In fact, many conjecture that our indigenous people may have originated in India, rather than Africa.

Both African and Indian DNA is present in the Australian aboriginal. The Phoenician explorers and miners (Canaanite & Hebrew sailors, later joined by the Egyptians*) brought slaves to work their mines in Australia. They sailed from Eilat on the Red Sea and purchased slaves from Ethiopia and the Indus Valley on their way here.

They were probably freed when the mining operations ended, or they escaped and merged into the native Aboriginal population.

* There are altars dedicated to Yah, Ba’al and Ra at Sarina, Qld., Australia has always been a multi-religious country.

m0nty
m0nty
August 18, 2022 5:21 pm

You don’t understand what begging the question involves, Monty.

You assume the conclusion that abortion is murder. This is begging the question in its most basic form. Do you not understand that?

Where have I denied the facts of the case ? In the South Carolina case all I’ve disputed are the alternatives available. Re Louisiana case, I haven’t denied anything. As usual, you are just making things up.

The doctors and hospital lawyers assess the facts of the case, including the relevant laws, and conclude that they can not help the woman. You deny that their conclusion is valid. Why? Because you deny that the laws say what they say. Surely the laws’ implications can not be that callous, you say, time after time. There must be a loophole. But no, the experts in the field can not see one. Yet you go on denying the facts of the situation. The most salient fact you are denying is each anecdote’s monstrous consequence of the law you support.

How is it moral cowardice looking squarely at the Louisiana case and arguing that the mother simply provide comfort to her child until s/he dies? Again, you are employing phrases you don’t understand.

You do not care at all about the lifelong trauma this could cause to the mother. To you, a woman is an empty vessel, only good for procreation and housework. They have no feelings worth giving a damn about. Disgraceful.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 5:27 pm

Vicki there are genetic links to the Vedda people from Sri Lanka and Dravidian from southern India. They were thought to have come here 2-4000 years ago. Yes, the physical appearances are stark.

rosie
rosie
August 18, 2022 5:32 pm

Is Monty still pretending Hardmaid’s Tale is non-fiction.
A troll and a tosser.

Roger
Roger
August 18, 2022 5:36 pm

They were thought to have come here 2-4000 years ago.

Bringing the dingo with them.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 5:38 pm

You do not care at all about the lifelong trauma this could cause to the mother.

Seriously? The lifelong trauma of having a baby?

The sorrow and guilt associated with abortion is meaningless? It exists though. Even among the “unreligious”.

cohenite
August 18, 2022 5:42 pm

Is Monty still pretending Hardmaid’s Tale is non-fiction.

Obviously the penis version.

Barry
Barry
August 18, 2022 5:42 pm

Knuckle Dragger says:
August 18, 2022 at 4:59 pm

A first case of human-to-dog transmission of monkeypox – between two men and their Italian greyhound living together in Paris – has been reported in the medical journal The Lancet.

“This is the first case reported of human-to-animal transmission .. and we believe it is the first instance of a canine being infected
… from’ I assume she means ‘don’t root’ your pets.

The Hun delicately neglects to mention that the poor dog’s symptoms included monkeypox pustules around its anus. Perhaps it was a little too indelicate to subject the Hun’s open-minded readership to.

However the Cat is a different matter. From the Lancet paper:

The dog tested positive for monkeypox virus by use of a PCR protocol adapted from Li and colleagues that involved scraping skin lesions and swabbing the anus and oral cavity.

The men reported co-sleeping with their dog.

Our findings should prompt debate on the need to isolate pets from monkeypox virus-positive individuals. We call for further investigation on secondary transmissions via pets.

They should be charged, and placed in stocks in the town square.

calli
calli
August 18, 2022 5:44 pm

Love is Love.

Frank
Frank
August 18, 2022 5:52 pm

Italian greyhounds are like stick insects, you would be more worried about breaking their legs than passing on diseases. Scratch that, maybe it was a Twink.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 5:52 pm

Munties mother had life long trauma after having him. We share that trauma. Freaks really should have late term abortion available, munster can be first. You are a disgusting vile piece of garbage.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 5:54 pm

Yes Roger.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 18, 2022 5:55 pm

Good advice from Bettina Arndt in her latest newsletter.
She details two cases of bureaucracy run mad against males.
Both “won” because they took her advice to “Fight back. Hard”

(I say won in inverted commas because in these cases the process was the punishment, despite getting a satisfactory outcome)

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 18, 2022 5:56 pm

Vicki there are genetic links to the Vedda people from Sri Lanka and Dravidian from southern India. They were thought to have come here 2-4000 years ago. Yes, the physical appearances are stark.

You can say what you like about Tamils, just don’t say it to their face.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 6:01 pm

ROFL. Try to guess who wrote this before you get to the end of the excerpt:

Opinion – Donald Trump faces a Nixon-like end to his political career as the wolves of justice come knocking at his door (Sky News, 18 Aug)

Donald Trump registered one dubious political victory this week.

He endorsed an opponent who went on to defeat feisty Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney in a Primary in her Wyoming constituency.

In so doing Trump trashed a Republican principle characterised by the 40th President, Ronald Reagan, dubbed the 11th Commandment: “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican”.

But Liz Cheney is not dead. On the contrary, in her defiant concession speech, she announced that she would be continuing her efforts to defend American democratic institutions.

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Here’s who the author is:

Stephen Loosley
SkyNews.com.au Contributor and Strategic Policy Analyst

Oh my sides!

Jorge
Jorge
August 18, 2022 6:02 pm

Apparently someone came up with a new version of Fantasy Football. It was supposed to be a super advance with all sorts of intriguing variations and rhapsodic potential.

Also, another super bright intellect had the solution to ‘climate change’ but didn’t get the opportunity to explain it in full.

Yes, aborted.

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 6:04 pm

Vicki:

Back to the city & the first thing I did was go to local shops & bought Jim Milan’s new book “Danger on our doorstep”. Made the mistake of going straight to reading the Epilogue before I went to sleep last night. Had a bloody restless night.

There are several books on the “Invasion By China” Genre.
Some very interesting scenarios.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 18, 2022 6:05 pm

The love that dare not… bay… its name.

Im dreading the new LGBT schmakos ads.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 18, 2022 6:05 pm

and the HIV having developed into AIDS.

I’m reading Robert F. Kennedy’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci. Fauci has been at the head of the NIAID for decades. But it was the HIV/AIDS epidemic that provided him the career spring board to power, fame and fortune.

Kennedy argues with much evidence that HIV does not cause AIDS. The standard regime to determine what causes any infectious disease falls away when applied to HIV/AIDS. In fact, many healthy people have been found to have HIV, while many ill AIDS patients do not carry this virus.

However, the assertion that HIV causes AIDS gave the NIAID and Fauci the ability to take control of the narrative and be at the helm of new pharmaceuticals – specifically AZT – to cure AIDS patients. But AZT was the reason that so many AIDS patients died.

Kennedy argues convincingly that Fauci’s determination to shut down any questioning of the cause of AIDS and the development of the medical regime using AZT to “fight” HIV/AIDS, is really the beginning of cancel culture.

I’m only half way through the book, but it’s a revelation.

Roger
Roger
August 18, 2022 6:08 pm

Stephen Loosley
SkyNews.com.au Contributor and Strategic Policy Analyst

One of Australia’s premier commentators on American politics.

Cough.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 18, 2022 6:10 pm

Long on invective but short on detail:

POLICE have formed a “multi-agency task force” as the focus of their search for a missing Darwin five-year-old turns to a shadowy group claiming to have abducted Grace Hughes.

Every police force in Australia has been engaged in the taskforce that is also drawing on Australian Federal Police in the search for the little girl.

Detective Acting Senior Sergeant Jon Beer said the group “continues to peddle ideologies and false information that have no regard for the mental wellbeing of a five-year-old girl”.

“The conduct of this group is despicable,” he said.

“NT Police will continue to target this group and any other persons assisting the ongoing harbouring of Grace. Police will use every power available to them to locate Grace.”

Sergeant Beer said anyone found to have “harboured those who abducted Grace” would face the full force of the law, and urged insiders to speak out about the group’s activities.

“Any persons inside this group or any members of the public that have any knowledge of Grace’s abduction are urged to come forward and contact police on 131 444, or anonymously, via Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000,” he said.

Sergeant Beer said the task force would have “specialist support” from other policing jurisdictions, including the Australian Federal Police.

“The task force is committed to locating her and reuniting her with her lawful guardian,” he said.

NT Police said while it was unable to provide “detail on operational procedure”, a spokesman said the force was focussing all its “available resources to locate Grace and Laura”.

“The group is known to police and continues peddle ideologies and false information that have no regard for the mental wellbeing of a five-year-old girl,” the spokesman said.

Police have previously said they were working with officers in other states in case the pair had jumped the Territory border.

NT News

Winston Smith
August 18, 2022 6:11 pm

rickw:

isolate Australia from any Allies, and wait for the surrender
Could take a while if we had industry and competent government.

Then we’re stuffed.

MatrixTransform
August 18, 2022 6:12 pm

This is what I am talking about when I say you are always begging the question

this gibbering idiot has clearly been researching the Logical Fallacy
and even when presented with cogent info on the various types of fallacy
the clown still gets it arse backwards.

that he doesn’t reckon that its he that is ‘begging the question’ is informational

the man’s a retard

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 6:12 pm

Gez the Tamils are not Vedda but still you’re right.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 18, 2022 6:15 pm

TE the shadowy group might be garage nasties as they have troble finding them too.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 18, 2022 6:17 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 6:18 pm

They were thought to have come here 2-4000 years ago.

Bringing the dingo with them.

Several years ago, during a Western Australian State election, the claims of “here for sixty thousand years” were made. One of the Far right groups counterclaimed that it was all nonsense – Aborigines were descended from the cargo of a Portuguese ship, carrying African slaves to Timor, wrecked off the West Australian coast in the mid 1500’s…..

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 18, 2022 6:18 pm

Detective Acting Senior Sergeant Jon Beer said the group “continues to peddle ideologies and false information that have no regard for the mental wellbeing of a five-year-old girl”.

That again sounds like code-speak. I suspect the mother doesn’t want her 5 year old vaccinated against Covid. Could be something completely different though. Trans treatment would fit too.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 18, 2022 6:18 pm

Bettina Arndt website as mentioned above:

https://www.bettinaarndt.com.au/news-articles/

cohenite
August 18, 2022 6:22 pm

That fucking POS sheridan extoling the virtues of that skank cheney over the revolting narcissist Trump and his idiot followers; The streak of shit actually said that; and that twerp chris smith agreed with the pox ridden stork.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 18, 2022 6:26 pm

POLICE have formed a “multi-agency task force” as the focus of their search for a missing Darwin five-year-old turns to a shadowy group claiming to have abducted Grace Hughes.

Daily Mail is reporting her mother as also having gone missing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 18, 2022 6:26 pm

“The current SCOTUS is a lawless wasteland, I have no faith in their adherence to any legal principle if it offends their partisan interests.

I’m taking my bat and ball home.

Indolent
Indolent
August 18, 2022 6:28 pm

200,000 migrants a year. Lack of workers as excuse. But they just deported a Hungarian restauranter who has lived here for years, raised a family and run a successful business. Obviously, not the sort of person they want.

Gilbert Tuplin
@G118ERT
All part of the @wef plan, they will have “full” control of Australia ?? New Zealand ??and Canada very soon.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 18, 2022 6:30 pm

Sheridan has never got over the fact that Donald Trump was elected President of the USA.

He said he had no chance and has had to eat humble pie ever since. It sticks in his craw.

Miserable front bottom.

Who the fuck wears a jumper under a suit coat?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 18, 2022 6:30 pm

Hmmm, interesting! Only last week commie Geoff Hutchison was on theirABC saying “studies after studies showing no advantage” – must’ve been a talking point

Nana Hutchison – a poor man’s Jon Faine.

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