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Boar Lane Leeds, John Atkinson Grimshaw, 1881

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Old bloke
Old bloke
August 23, 2022 12:42 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
August 23, 2022 at 10:56 am

Dover – I just report what I see, with caveats as befit. It’s very well known that there was up to three teams in place in Kiev in February to attempt assassination of the Ukrainian leadership. One of those I recall were Wagner employees, the other two I can’t recall off hand who they were. Zelenskyy at the time said publicly he wasn’t sure how long he’d remain alive. I suspect that was because of the attempts which were foiled.

Zelensky will be safe, the Russians need to keep him alive to formalise a peace agreement. If Zelensky is not around, Ukraine will just fall into a complete shambles and there will be no one available to enter into peace agreements.

If the Russians wanted to kill Zelensky, he would have gone in the first few days of the war.

The greatest threat to Zelensky will come from the US State Dept., if he goes against their script he’ll end up like Ngo Dinh Diem.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 23, 2022 12:47 pm

So why is there such black stuff going on by the Ukrainians now, after six long months?

Because they are losing

Haha, Dover, my thought it’s because they winning. 😀

A little bit anyway. The Russians have not done much the last few weeks, and a number of commentators have pointed out the front is basically static and has been for two months now. With slight moves from either side over that time which pretty much cancel out.

But what that then suggests is that the Russians are defending what they got, on a long permeable front. So the Ukrainian special forces are now penetrating that front to do sabotage ops in the south east and Crimea. I’ve seen some suggestions the air base strike in Crimea was a SF op, although I’ve also seen suggestions it was a long range missile. In other cases rear area ammo dumps have gone up, not all due to HIMARS.

Now why would it be important to do this stuff now? Well, from what I see there’s a bit of unrest in Russia itself from anti-regime people. Several recruiting centres have been burned down. So it would make sense if the black ops guys in Kiev decided to add a bit of encouragement.

I suspect the compliment is quite mutual as Z has been purging a range of opponents in the last month in a step up in purginess. That suggests the Russians are working just as keenly to undermine the Ukrainian regime as the Ukrainians are trying to undermine the Russian regime.

I regard this war a lot like the Iran-Iraq War. Neither side are people you’d want to take home to meet your mum.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 12:47 pm

Which will be fuel for “why don’t we hold a referendum for a republic at the same time as the inVoice?

Interesting, given that voters have already rejected a republic with a President elected by a joint sitting of both Houses of Parliament.

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 12:48 pm

Which will be fuel for “why don’t we hold a referendum for a republic at the same time as the inVoice?

It’s an interesting theory Roger… and I guess the outcome would be that it needs an overhaul and a President would be better….?

I think they see an opportunity they can grasp, certainly.

In the current circumstances, though, I doubt the public will be greatly enthused by a debate on the Voice and a republic.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 23, 2022 12:48 pm

Timothy Neilson says:
August 23, 2022 at 11:01 am

There is nothing in the Constitution that touches on the appointment of Ministers.

The first Whitlam cabinet consisted of two men, Whitlam and Barnard, who jointly held all ministry positions. There’s nothing unconstitutional about that.

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 12:49 pm

And with that, I must be off for my postprandial walk!

Morsie
Morsie
August 23, 2022 12:55 pm

Solicitor General should have shut up after declaring it legal.Anything else is political opinion and outside of his brief but hey it supports Labor so why not.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 23, 2022 12:55 pm

If Labor thinks the political prosecution of dead man walking Scott Morrison in the media is going to distract people from their rapidly escalating monthly power bill they’re even more cocooned in an alternative reality than the Greens.

Um, Roger, there’s this story today…

New poll reveals huge increase in voter support for Albanese (Sky mainpage headline, 22 Aug)

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s Labor government has taken a significant lead over the opposition following a new post-election survey which shows support for the Coalition has plummeted amid the Scott Morrison portfolio scandal.

The new figures also show support for the Coalition has fallen from 36 to 28 per cent over the past three months.

No one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the public. Someone said that once.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 23, 2022 1:00 pm

In the current circumstances, though, I doubt the public will be greatly enthused by a debate on the Voice and a republic.

Each works nicely as a distraction squirrel for the other

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 1:00 pm

Daily Mail. Seems citizenship of a Third World shithole like the Sudan doesn’t carry all the lurks and jerks of Australian citizenship…

EXCLUSIVE: Yassmin Abdel-Magied fantasises about ditching her Australian citizenship in ranting essay slamming the country’s ‘blood-drenched’ past … but there’s a selfish reason she’ll NEVER do it

Yassmin Abdel-Magied says she ‘fantasises about giving up Australian passport’
Young Queenslander of the Year 2010 sparked fury in 2017 on social media
She fled to UK and set up home with new husband but has enraged locals there
She now wants to ‘un-belong’ to Australia – but admits she owes her life to nation

Kneel
Kneel
August 23, 2022 1:01 pm

“…it’s obviously not dissimilar to what’s on offer elsewhere in the working economy. “

Well, in a previous job on the 2010’s, I agreed to talk to the “customer from hell” when no-one else wanted to, and within 30 seconds the boss put an open bottle of beer in front of me…
Then the owner came around and we had a 4 hour lunch at the pub (11-30 to 3-30), and went back to “tidy up” before we went home.
Then there was the 2 hour lunch with 2 bottles of red between 3 of us after some training, then back to work as usual.
And the sales girl who made her regular Monday trip to “church” – the church of Dan Murphy – where she would buy what everyone wanted for the week.
But it was always your choice and your responsibility not to have too much – being slow afterwards was OK, but mistakes were verboten. We had the designated driver for company lunches who was a teetotaler, I took the train to that job, and I had a cabcharge card for any “gotta go onsite at…” trips.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 23, 2022 1:03 pm

Normally you don’t want impaired people doing anything with consequences.

Indeed…. like, voting on legislation!!

My point exactly.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 1:03 pm

Resolve Strategic does not provide two-party preferred results, but my calculation based on flows from the recent election, matched by that of Kevin Bonham, has Labor with a lead of 61.3-38.7, compared with 52.1-47.9 at the election

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 23, 2022 1:11 pm

Lysander – Yes. And the other aspect not discussed so far is that Victoria and NSW elections are coming up soon. The two biggest states…

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 1:11 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 1:11 pm

The Age are informing us that Elbow is doing so well he’s almost certainly guaranteed a second term. Ugh.

Yes, yes.
And in 2007 we were told the unassailable Kokoda Kev would be Emperor for Life.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 1:12 pm

New talking point alert.

NY Times printing FBI narrative change verbatim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html

Paywalled, but only an hour or so old.

Slim Cognito
Slim Cognito
August 23, 2022 1:15 pm

Heading to a funeral shortly. Work colleague. Bloke in his mid 60’s. No serious health issues and not overweight. “Died suddenly” in his sleep.
I know he was vaxxed due to where he worked. They don’t let anyone on the premises without proof of the jab.
Anecdotal I know but combined with the amount of “sick” people I am encountering, you have to wonder.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

<< Paywalled, but only an hour or so old. >>

Er… do tell, what is the new narrative?

jupes
jupes
August 23, 2022 1:19 pm

As I wrote earlier, Labor will instigate an inquiry, the ultimate goal of which will be to tarnish the office and powers of the G-G.

Hurley hasn’t covered himself in glory here. But what would you expect from a big-government hack, who emasculated the ADF so he would be in line for the GG gig. Hopefully he goes down with SloMo.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 1:20 pm

Albo and Labor will milk this until it’s dry. But we’re provided here with a stark contrast in how to play politics, the difference between Labor and Liberal. Whadda you think the stupid effing Liberals would have done if they’d just won power and discovered a Labor PM had accumulated portfolios like medals? You reckon that the stupid effing Liberals would be milking it? Nope, they’d either do an Abbott and play nice and decent, which gets you no where or they’d do a Scumbag and just choose to ignore it.

The Liberals are their own worst enemies.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 1:20 pm

Yes Bern, do tell!!!….

cohenite
August 23, 2022 1:22 pm

DrBeauGansays:
August 23, 2022 at 4:23 am
Thanks Tom. Ramirez is weird today.

He has a bad case of TDS.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 23, 2022 1:22 pm

Lysandersays:
August 23, 2022 at 12:34 pm
Normally you don’t want impaired people doing anything with consequences.

Indeed…. like, voting on legislation!!

Is it OK if they are merely “tired and emotional”?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 1:24 pm

Biden White House facilitated DOJ’s criminal probe against Trump, scuttled privilege claims: memos

“I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege,” acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall wrote Trump’s team in May.

Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump’s estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president’s claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.

The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump’s Florida home.

By May, Su conveyed to the Archives that President Joe Biden would not object to waiving his predecessor’s claims to executive privilege, a decision that opened the door for DOJ to get a grand jury to issue a subpoena compelling Trump to turn over any remaining materials he possessed from his presidency.

The machinations are summarized in several memos and emails exchanged between the various agencies in spring 2022, months before the FBI took the added unprecedented step of raiding Trump’s Florida compound with a court-issued search warrant.

The most complete summary was contained in a lengthy letter dated May 10 that acting National Archivist Debra Steidel Wall sent Trump’s lawyers summarizing the White House’s involvement.

That letter revealed Biden empowered the National Archives and Records Administration to waive any claims to executive privilege that Trump might assert to block DOJ from gaining access to the documents.

“The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here, President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported ‘protective assertion of executive privilege,’” Wall wrote. “… I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege.”

The memos provide the most definitive evidence to date of the current White House’s effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election and may face again as a challenger in 2024. That involvement included eliminating one of the legal defenses Trump might use to fight the FBI over access to his documents.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 1:30 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
August 23, 2022 at 1:15 pm
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Er… do tell, what is the new narrative?

Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago

The National Archives found more than 150 sensitive documents when it got a first batch of material from the former president in January, helping to explain the Justice Department’s urgent response.

The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said.

In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.

The previously unreported volume of the sensitive material found in the former president’s possession in January helps explain why the Justice Department moved so urgently to hunt down any further classified materials he might have.

And the extent to which such a large number of highly sensitive documents remained at Mar-a-Lago for months, even as the department sought the return of all material that should have been left in government custody when Mr. Trump left office, suggested to officials that the former president or his aides had been cavalier in handling it, not fully forthcoming with investigators, or both.

The specific nature of the sensitive material that Mr. Trump took from the White House remains unclear. But the 15 boxes Mr. Trump turned over to the archives in January, nearly a year after he left office, included documents from the C.I.A., the National Security Agency and the F.B.I. spanning a variety of topics of national security interest, a person briefed on the matter said.

Mr. Trump went through the boxes himself in late 2021, according to multiple people briefed on his efforts, before turning them over.

The highly sensitive nature of some of the material in the boxes prompted archives officials to refer the matter to the Justice Department, which within months had convened a grand jury investigation.

Aides to Mr. Trump turned over a few dozen additional sensitive documents during a visit to Mar-a-Lago by Justice Department officials in early June. At the conclusion of the search this month, officials left with 26 boxes, including 11 sets of material marked as classified, comprising scores of additional documents. One set had the highest level of classification, top secret/sensitive compartmented information.

The Justice Department investigation is continuing, suggesting that officials are not certain whether they have recovered all the presidential records that Mr. Trump took with him from the White House.

Even after the extraordinary decision by the F.B.I. to execute a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8, investigators have sought additional surveillance footage from the club, people familiar with the matter said.

It was the second such demand for the club’s security tapes, said the people familiar with the matter, and underscored that authorities are still scrutinizing how the classified documents were handled by Mr. Trump and his staff before the search.

A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokeswoman for the F.B.I. declined to comment.

Mr. Trump’s allies insist that the president had a “standing order” to declassify material that left the Oval Office for the White House residence, and have claimed that the General Services Administration, not Mr. Trump’s staff, packed the boxes with the documents.

No documentation has come to light confirming that Mr. Trump declassified the material, and the potential crimes cited by the Justice Department in seeking the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago would not hinge on the classification status of the documents.

National Archives officials spent much of 2021 trying to get back material from Mr. Trump, after learning that roughly two dozen boxes of presidential records material had been lingering in the White House residence for several months. Under the Presidential Records Act, all official material remains government property and has to be provided to the archives at the end of a president’s term.

Among the items they knew were missing were Mr. Trump’s original letters from the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, and the note that President Barack Obama had left Mr. Trump before he left office.

Two former White House officials, who had been designated as among Mr. Trump’s representatives with the archives, received calls and tried to facilitate the documents’ return.

Mr. Trump resisted those calls, describing the boxes of documents as “mine,” according to three advisers familiar with his comments.

Soon after beginning their investigation early this year, Justice Department officials came to believe there were additional classified documents that they needed to collect. In May, after conducting a series of witness interviews, the department issued a subpoena for the return of remaining classified material, according to people familiar with the episode.

On June 3, Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterespionage section of the national security division of the Justice Department, went to Mar-a-Lago to meet with two of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, and retrieve any remaining classified material to satisfy the subpoena. Mr. Corcoran went through the boxes himself to identify classified material beforehand, according to two people familiar with his efforts.

Mr. Corcoran showed Mr. Bratt the basement storage room where, he said, the remaining material had been kept.

Mr. Trump briefly came to see the investigators during the visit.

Mr. Bratt and the agents who joined him were given a sheaf of classified material, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Mr. Corcoran then drafted a statement, which Ms. Bobb, who is said to be the custodian of the documents, signed. It asserted that, to the best of her knowledge, all classified material that was there had been returned, according to two people familiar with the statement.

Mr. Corcoran did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Ms. Bobb did not respond to an email seeking comment.

Soon after that visit, investigators, who were interviewing several people in Mr. Trump’s circle about the documents, came to believe that there were other presidential records that had not been turned over, according to the people familiar with the matter.

On June 22, the Justice Department subpoenaed the Trump Organization for Mar-a-Lago’s security footage, which included a well-trafficked hallway outside the storage area, the people said.

The club had surveillance footage going back 60 days for some areas of the property, stretching back to late April of this year.

While much of the footage showed hours of club employees walking through the busy corridor, some of it raised concerns for investigators, according to people familiar with the matter. It revealed people moving boxes in and out, and in some cases, appearing to change the containers some documents were held in. The footage also showed other parts of the property.

In seeking a second round of security footage, the Justice Department wants to review tapes for the weeks leading up to the Aug. 8 search.

Federal officials have indicated that their initial goal has been to secure any classified documents Mr. Trump was holding at Mar-a-Lago, a pay-for-membership club where there is little control over who comes in as guests. It remains to be seen whether anyone will face criminal charges stemming from the investigation.

The combination of witness interviews and the initial security footage led Justice Department officials to begin drafting a request for a search warrant, the people familiar with the matter said.

The F.B.I. agents who conducted the search found the additional documents in the storage area in the basement of Mar-a-Lago, as well as in a container in a closet in Mr. Trump’s office, the people said.

Mr. Trump’s allies have attacked the law enforcement agencies, accusing the investigators of being partisan.

The intense public interest has now spurred a legal fight to see the search warrant’s underlying affidavit. On Monday, a federal magistrate issued a formal order directing the Justice Department to send him under seal proposed redactions to the affidavit underlying the warrant used to search Mar-a-Lago by Thursday, accompanied by a memo explaining its justifications.

In the order, the judge, Bruce E. Reinhart, said he was inclined to release portions of the sealed affidavit but wanted to wait until he saw the government’s redactions before making a decision.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 1:30 pm

Dover,
Dont be like that, we are much better at killing disabled non-people before they exit birth canals.
Thats why we are so much more enlightened than those old fashioned butchers.

A poster from about 1938 reads: “60,000 Reichsmarks is as much as this man, suffering from a hereditary defect, costs our country during his lifetime. Fellow-citizens, this is also your money.”

No slope, none at all.
Woman with Down’s syndrome loses UK abortion law case
This article is more than 10 months old
Heidi Crowter has argued allowing terminations up to birth if foetus has Down’s syndrome is discriminatory

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 1:36 pm

“If Labor thinks the political prosecution of dead man walking Scott Morrison in the media is going to distract people from their rapidly escalating monthly power bill they’re even more cocooned in an alternative reality than the Greens.

Um, Roger, there’s this story today…”

Umm, sorry but Roger is right. We’re only three months since an election. Maybe we should have this discussion in six months or a year. I remember the stratospheric polling of one Kevin Rudd, I also remember the very high polling of one Malcolm Turnbull, post his knifing of Abbott…and then ten months later, at an election in July 2016, Turnbull crashed where it mattered, at a federal election. Labor are using the Morrison saga as a deflection and they’re good at it, unlike the stupid effing Liberals but there’s only so much deflection, when grocery and energy prices soar, that the average Australian will accept. I don’t trust polls at the best of times, I’m not going to put too much credence in a poll three months since an election.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 1:40 pm

Albo, dresses himself in an old hawkie cast off and runs roud a bit.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-23/anthony-albanese-gang-of-youths-enmore-theatre/101359992
The PM received a rock star welcome at the Gang of Youths concert at Sydney’s Enmore Theatre when he downed what appeared to be a beer.

The inner-west local was spotted in the balcony by revellers on the main floor before the concert began.

He was joined by his partner Jodie Haydon and Minister for the Arts Tony Burke.

The cheering crowd all turned to face Mr Albanese, prompting him to down his drink and hold up his empty cup.

He then stood up and greeted the crowd to lively applause.

The scene had a likeness to the late former prime minister Bob Hawke, who skolled beers for the enjoyment of crowds at the Sydney Cricket Ground on more than one occasion.

Compare to the AbbottSatan coverage..

A single drink puts media over the limit
The Drum / By Chris Berg

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 1:40 pm

A video of the Prime Minister Tony Abbott skolling a beer has triggered a debate about whether it was an appropriate thing to do.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-20/when-is-it-appropriate-to-scull/6407384

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 1:43 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
August 23, 2022 at 1:30 pm
Dover,
Dont be like that, we are much better at killing disabled non-people before they exit birth canals.
Thats why we are so much more enlightened than those old fashioned butchers.

A poster from about 1938 reads: “60,000 Reichsmarks is as much as this man, suffering from a hereditary defect, costs our country during his lifetime. Fellow-citizens, this is also your money.”

AKTION T4 THE NAZI EUTHANASIA PROGRAMME THAT KILLED 300,000

The first to die was a five-month-old baby boy called Gerhard Kretschmar. Gerhard’s father, Richard Kretschmar, considered his severely disabled child to be a ‘monster’, and he soon approached his local physician with the request that the baby be ‘put to sleep’ for his own good. After the doctor refused, Kretschmar wrote directly to Adolf Hitler, asking the Führer to overrule the doctor.

THE DEATH OF LITTLE GERHARD KRETSCHMAR WAS THEREFORE SEEN AS A ‘TRIAL RUN’ FOR WHAT WOULD FOLLOW

The road to the mass killing of the mentally ill and the disabled began in 1933 with the passing of the ‘Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring’. This made sterilisation compulsory for anyone suffering from conditions considered to be hereditary at the time. These conditions included schizophrenia and epilepsy – afflictions that the Nazis, obsessed with racial purity as they were, did not want passing down through the generations. By sterilising people with conditions such as Huntingdon’s chorea, the vaguely labelled ‘imbecility’ and even chronic alcoholism, the Nazis sought to remove these illnesses from the national gene pool, thus creating a stronger, purer race.

Three weeks after Gerhard Kretschmar’s death, the Nazis set up the Reich Committee for the Scientific Registering of Hereditary and Congenital Illnesses. The committee registered the births of all babies born with defects identified by physicians. The mass killing of infants began soon after. By 1941, over 5,000 children identified by the committee had been murdered with the blessings of the state.

Of course, the state was conscious of the fact that parents wouldn’t take likely to the government killing their children. To prevent mass revolt, deception was deployed. Parents of disabled children were told that their offspring were being sent to ‘Special Sections’ where they were to receive advanced medical attention. In reality, the children were sent to extermination centres housed in psychiatric hospitals where they were killed by lethal injection. The parents would then be informed that their children had died from something else, usually pneumonia. Children sent to the Am Spiegelgrund institute in Austria were not just killed by lethal injection. Some were gassed and others died after being subjected to physical abuse. Once dead, the children’s brains were removed for further study without the parents being informed. Grotesquely, some of these preserved brains sat in private collections into the 21st Century.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/euthanasia-program

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 1:50 pm

WATCH: DeSantis Releases “Top Gun” Themed Campaign Ad Slamming the Media

Top Gov… Dogfighting… Taking on the Corporate Media…

Rules of Engagement are as Follows:

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 1:59 pm

The road to the mass killing of the mentally ill and the disabled began in 1933 with the passing of the ‘Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring’

There’s quite a good movie called “The Gathering Storm” which shows a MI5 agent leaking documents to Churchill. As it turns out, he was leaking because he son was down syndrome. Churchill got more courage to take up the Prime Ministership, better prepare Britain and beat Adolf.

So, you could say, a down syndrome child was the cause of Hitler’s defeat.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 2:04 pm

Glenn Diesen: How ‘Russophrenia’ from supposedly smart people in the West has slowly led us towards a major European war

The author and holocaust survivor, Victor Klemperer, identified two distinct styles of language that defined Hitler’s propaganda against the Jews: either “scornful derision” of the inferior race or “panic-stricken fear” of their threat to civilisation.

Anti-Russian propaganda over the past centuries has similarly produced two contradictory positions – disdain for Russians as an uncivilised and backward people, and simultaneously an immeasurable threat looming over Europe. A state of affairs described by one writer as “Russophrenia: the idea that Russia is simultaneously about to fall apart, and also take over the world.”

Russia is hopelessly inept and weak, yet it is also capable of subverting the democracies of the world and restoring a global empire. Moscow is so impaired that the West does not need to acknowledge or accommodate its basic security interests, yet NATO’s 30 member states need ever-more weapons to defend against the dreaded Russians.

Exaggerating the weakness or the strength of an adversary (or both) is a key component of propaganda, which carries with it the obvious risk of miscalculations, as the real capabilities of the opponent are not accurately assessed. The war in Ukraine is a good case study of this phenomenon.

– Exaggerating Russian strength and weakness
– The flawed narrative of Russian failure in Ukraine
– Is Russia a great power?
– The dangers of wishful thinking

Denying that Russia is a great power may feel good, but as stated by Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu more than 2,500 years ago: “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent”.

Wishful thinking about Russian weakness incentivises the collective West to escalate, while diplomacy and a peace agreement become increasingly difficult and unfavourable.

Plus

Jesus, Byzantium and the Slavic legacy: The true meaning behind the Russian flag explained

The white, blue, and red banner and the double-headed eagle on the coat of arms are recognized all over the world.

Where did they come from?

132andBush
132andBush
August 23, 2022 2:04 pm

Farmer Gez says:
August 23, 2022 at 10:17 am
Hey Bush,
I’d like the rain to push off for a few weeks. 30mm here in the past few days and it’s hard to get dry ground for spraying fungicides.
How’s the countryside in your parts?

Much the same here, Gez.
Another 10 overnight which brings us up to ~50mm since the 5th of this month.
We were without meaningful rain for six weeks before that and it’s surprised me how little it initially took to make paddocks untrafficable.
Like you we need to get fungicides on asap but I still haven’t caught up on the legume grass spraying.
Can’t imagine a better year for rust proliferation.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 23, 2022 2:11 pm

Cassie – Albo is going full green fascist and the punters are tonguebathing him in the polls.

At the same time there’re articles about poor people not being able to afford their electricity bills.

This dissonance will end, but right now the squirrel is working.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 2:16 pm

“Bruce of Newcastlesays:
August 23, 2022 at 2:11 pm”

As I wrote above, Roger is right.

cohenite
August 23, 2022 2:25 pm

OldOzziesays:
August 23, 2022 at 1:47 pm
REPORT: Memos Show Joe Biden Tried to Entrap Donald Trump Over ‘Classified’ Documents

In a just world biden would be stripped naked , covered in honey and strapped over an ant nest.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 23, 2022 2:26 pm

Kherson front.

Dover, try panning out to a full map and see if you can spot that bit. It’s tiny. Same elsewhere right up and down the front line. Bugger all movement in either direction except minute nibbles like that one. What that particular one does tell me though is that Russia has been forced to redeploy BTGs from the Donetsk front to stabilize the Kherson area, which had been looking a little wobbly. That’s is probably what Ukraine was trying to make happen, to take the pressure off at least to some extent

The Iran-Iraq war was the same after the initial phase. Once stockpiled ordnance is exhausted it’s back to produce and use, so the advantage Russia had been leaning on dissipates. We’re in another defense-is-king phase of historical military strategic advantage, like WW1. Until and unless one side gets serious control of the air. Which is why Ukraine has been risking those air base strikes lately in places like Belarus. Modern computerized jets and helicopters aren’t easily replaced.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 2:33 pm

Well heres a court case for the ages.

Apparently it has been ‘proved” that the shitvaxes reduced transmission of the virus, therefore brutalising people and forcing them to undergo a medical procedure (of dubious benefit) was just peachy.

Vaccine limited COVID spread: judge
Justice Allanson said the evidence showed that vaccination “is effective in reducing rates of infection, and thus transmission” and two doses were effective in preventing serious disease.

He said it was “common knowledge” that WA had “been able, by closing its borders, to limit the spread into the community.”


Justice Allanson said the court needed to be informed by expert opinion, and the state’s witnesses strongly supported the measures that were introduced.

He said they were not cross-examined, and there was “no challenge to the assumptions or facts upon which their opinions proceeded”.

How very convinient. The only experts are ours, who have promoted this all along, and its your fault for not questioning them.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 2:37 pm

Old blokesays:
August 23, 2022 at 12:48 pm

It’s not the “holding” it’s the “not revealing” that is different.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 2:38 pm

ABCcess has this article that caught my eye. Its been “factchecked’ as largely true.

Sally McManus says labour’s share of GDP is the lowest it’s been since 1960. Is that correct?

You know what doesnt get a mention as taking a share of the GDP?
Go on guess.

Government.
So Silly McAnus sets the date of “wukkas share of GDP” to before Whitlam takes office and instantly theres a 10% GDP drop.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 23, 2022 2:40 pm

Excellent correction

So the blue checks are saying the Ukrainians have committed war crimes?

132andBush
132andBush
August 23, 2022 2:42 pm

Funny opening sketch on Louder with Crowder today.

“Biden farts, do do do do do do”
(To the tune of Baby Shark)

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 23, 2022 2:47 pm

OldOzziesays:
August 23, 2022 at 1:47 pm
REPORT: Memos Show Joe Biden Tried to Entrap Donald Trump Over ‘Classified’ Documents

Goodness.
If the quoted documents linking Biden, via White House counsel, to the DOJ actually exist, this is a huge deal.

calli
calli
August 23, 2022 2:57 pm

*dusts off hands*

There ends my forecast six hour weeding window right on cue. And a thunderstorm no less! Who needs the BOM?

😀

Indolent
Indolent
August 23, 2022 3:06 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 3:12 pm

So basically this is what we can look forward to if Chinas housing market completely tips over.
In the event China craps the tin how long before they kick off with Taiwan to ensure they have an outside enemy for their citizens to focus on?

In which case if VenuzAustralia time.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fcould-inflation-hit-18-6-
Could inflation hit 18.6 per cent?
Citi says prices could enter the ‘stratosphere’

But that narrative is by no means the consensus. This morning, investment bank Citi reports its most recent inflation forecast – which it estimates will hit 18.6 per cent on the year in January. This is more than 5 percentage points higher than the Bank of England’s most current forecast of 13.3 per cent for October.

FFS near 20% inflation in a year, and the mongs in charge don even have a Scargill to blame this time.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 3:19 pm

Mole

I think that’s about the UK,
no?

dopey
dopey
August 23, 2022 3:19 pm

I’m not no art critic but the Grimshaw painting shows clever positioning of the red and green dots. Also some rural impressionism comes to the city, as in the portrayal of the road.

Vicki
Vicki
August 23, 2022 3:21 pm

Heading to a funeral shortly. Work colleague. Bloke in his mid 60’s. No serious health issues and not overweight. “Died suddenly” in his sleep.

Unexplained deaths are no longer “anecdotal”. Jo Nova is running an excellent thread on this today. But there is information coming from many of the most vaccinated nations – eg UK & USA – that there are “excess deaths” apparent from mortality figures since the release of the genetic “vaccines. The websites of the statisticians such as prof. Norman Fenton in the UK and Dr. Jessica Rose in the US are among the best at documenting the trends. Monetary analyst Edward Dowd was also one of the first to note the increase in claims in death and injury to insurance companies in the US.

But there is plenty of info out there if you want to find it. Meanwhile there an awful lot of people here who know of unexplained deaths of friends and acquaintances. From my own experience, I find it not only tragic to lose these people, but to note the bewilderment of those who they leave behind.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 3:26 pm

JC

Yes UK, the treasury expects 10% or so but some of the big financial groups are picking near 20%.

If energy costs are high now what would they reach if China got grumpy?
How quickly could Elbow cow-tow??

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:26 pm

Joe Biden Will Rue The Day He Didn’t Assert Executive Privilege Over Trump Docs

BY MATT MARGOLIS FEB 22, 2022

The battle over Donald Trump’s White House records came to an end on Tuesday, with the Supreme Court rejecting his appeal. The highly partisan J6 Committee will now be able to access the records they are seeking as part of their “investigation.”

Trump and several of his allies have invoked executive privilege to refuse to provide documents or testimony to the committee. However, executive privilege can only be asserted by an incumbent president, and Joe Biden has repeatedly rejected Trump’s claims of executive privilege over the documents. Trump sued to block the release of the documents, claiming that the committee has no legitimate need for the documents they were requesting—many of which have nothing to do with the Capitol riot.

“President Biden has refused to assert executive privilege over numerous clearly privileged documents requested by the Committee,” Trump’s lawsuit read. “The Committee’s request amounts to nothing less than a vexatious, illegal fishing expedition openly endorsed by Biden and designed to unconstitutionally investigate President Trump and his administration. Our laws do not permit such an impulsive, egregious action against a former President and his close advisors.”

So far, despite all the efforts of the J6 Committee, they’ve never been able to prove it was an insurrection. As PJM’s Robert Spencer reported at the time, in December, texts released by the committee proved the opposite.

The J6 Committee insists it needs the White House documents to understand what role Trump may have played in the Capitol riot—of course, he played no role—though, given the committee’s history of lying about the information they have so far, it seems inevitable that they will make more false claims about the documents they’ll be getting now.

In December, Biden did say he would limit the documents that would be made available to the committee, after suddenly realizing that releasing all the Trump administration documents the J6 Committee had requested would “set a troublesome precedent for the executive branch, no matter who is president.”

Now that the Supreme Court has rejected the appeal, the only person who can stop the release of the documents is Joe Biden, and there’s no reason to believe that he will. Despite limiting access to some of the documents, Joe Biden’s failure to invoke executive privilege will most certainly come back to bite him.

“An incumbent administration does not have the constitutional authority to unilaterally waive the executive privilege of a previous administration—especially one so recent,” Trump Communications Director Taylor Budowich said in a statement in October. “If it did, then executive privilege doesn’t exist, including for Joe Biden.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:30 pm
Kneel
Kneel
August 23, 2022 3:31 pm

“At the conclusion of the search this month, officials left with 26 boxes, including 11 sets of material marked as classified, comprising scores of additional documents. One set had the highest level of classification, top secret/sensitive compartmented information.

The Justice Department investigation is continuing, suggesting that officials are not certain whether they have recovered all the presidential records that Mr. Trump took with him from the White House.”

As I posted before, this is already settled statute and case law.
The President, while in office, has the authority to declassify any document he chooses, and as per Obama Presidential Order, is exempt from any declassification procedures applying to anyone else. He literally just has say “I declassify this document” and it is henceforth declassified.

Besides – just because it is marked “classified” doesn’t mean it still is. Eg, the route the Presidents limo takes is “Top Secret, Compartmentalised Information”. Obviously, only those who need to know like the secret service will know any planned route he might take. But after the trip is completed, it is no longer “sensitive”, even if the paper it is written on is so marked.

The President also has the sole authority to decide which is his personal information and what is government information. Once he says it’s his, then it is his, and no-one can gainsay that.

Biden is playing a dangerous game by saying “I’m president now, and I say this is classified again sand this is now a public document not yours, so you Mr Trump, are now breaking the law.” This sort of crap not only breaks with all previous precedents and common sense, not only divides the nation along political lines, but it leaves him and all his successors open to the same treatment. I don’t think that would work out well for Biden himself, nor even Obama. Nixon was unconditionally pardoned in order to make sure there was no division and infighting, and his was a pretty bad scandal.

Given that the FBI raid was by FBI people from the DC office, not the Florida office, it makes you wonder if Trump had “sensitive” information that would implicate the FBI itself in a politicised scandal re the “Russia,Russia,Russia!” hoax and subsequent spying on Trump and his people. By grabbing it and saying it is part of an ongoing investigation, they can bury it forever – or at least long enough that it exceeds any statute to limitations of any crimes FBI officials committed and/or media interest in that.

That said, I think they “picked the wrong week to give up smoking” as it were. Trump is very much love him / loathe him kind of guy, and despite Biden getting 80 million votes, Trump got 75 million. There are undoubtedly a few who simply won’t let it go, and who have the platform to get the info out there. The really dumb thing is that Biden could easily “win” by unconditionally pardoning Trump and directing the DoJ to cease any and all investigations into Trump, while quietly keeping everything “classified” etc. But they can’t let it go – they feel they have to publicly convict him of something. That might prove their undoing, in the end…

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 3:32 pm

I just can’t get over the Finn PM.
If she had a face liked a dropped pie would people be all over social media giving her a tongue bath?
She’s part of a government applying for NATO membership because of a pending war-like situation & she’s out partying.
Remember that when she’s asking for dosh at some stage in the future.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 3:34 pm

So, the Solicitor General just told us what we all knew. GG’s must act on advice of PM.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 3:36 pm

and despite Biden getting 80 million votes, Trump got 75 million

Baris said that of the Biden 80mill, approx 8mill only marked the presidential race & no other candidate or “proposition”.
Of the Trump 75mill, approx 1mill only voted for Trump & nothing else.
Essentially he said that’s the extent of the fraud.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 3:39 pm

I don’t think that would work out well for Biden himself,

I don’t think he thinks that far ahead.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:41 pm

Report: Documents Show Biden White House Involvement in Trump Criminal Probe

Summed by The Comments

– How many times must Joe be caught in outrageous scandal and abuse of power before al, real Americans see this criminal for what he is.
Joe is no better than his filthy degenerate cracked up brothel loving son.

The only difference is the suit and Joe scammed more money.

They are both trash.

– Obama code of conduct, unbecoming.
Lie, in other words, every day.

– But….

but perv Joe said Barry was so “clean and articulate”.

Barry
Barry
August 23, 2022 3:42 pm

Lysander says:
August 23, 2022 at 3:39 pm

I don’t think that would work out well for Biden himself,

I don’t think he thinks that far ahead.

He’s likely to be expired before it matters.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:44 pm

Sources: GSA Packed Boxes of Documents Trump Brought to Mar-a-Lago, Not Trump Political Staffers

Sources close to former President Donald Trump have confirmed to Breitbart News that the General Services Administration (GSA) packed the boxes of documents he took with him to Mar-a-Lago, not political staffers.

Shortly after the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago this month, reportedly to reclaim documents Donald Trump had taken from the White House in January 2021, journalist David Martosko announced that a source close to the former president confirmed the documents were boxed by government staffers in the GSA, not Trump’s own staffers.

“A person very close to Donald Trump tells me it’s indeed true what’s being bandied about Twitter — that the @USGSA, not Trump or anyone working for him in the White House, packed the boxes that the FBI took in Monday’s raid. If that’s true, it scrambles the omelet a bit,” Martosko announced.

rosie
rosie
August 23, 2022 3:46 pm

Pope Benedict never got over the murder of his disabled cousin in that quest for racial purity.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 3:47 pm

If energy costs are high now what would they reach if China got grumpy?
How quickly could Elbow cow-tow??

If China got really aggressive and the West/ US replied in kind, it would be China that would be completely fucked. Sure, we’d too but much, much less so than them.
China’s oil or at least nearly all of it travels through the straits of Hormuz. China may have a lot of naval shipping, but they’re mostly small and focused closer to home. They would be finished as an industrial power.That’s not to say it won’t happen because Xi has a would have a lot of sycophants around him who are unlikely to be feeding him bad news. That’s just a view in terms of a conventional war otherwise it’s a whole new ball game.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 3:48 pm

feelthebern says:
August 23, 2022 at 3:32 pm

I just can’t get over the Finn PM.

Bern, she’s a real looker. Just give her some space.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 23, 2022 3:48 pm

Barrysays:
August 23, 2022 at 3:42 pm
Lysander says:
August 23, 2022 at 3:39 pm

I don’t think that would work out well for Biden himself,

I don’t think he thinks that far ahead.

He’s likely to be expired before it matters.

JC

Whatever you do, don’t get into another “Death Watch” bet with m0nty-fa. Creepy Joe is looking like another RBG,

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 3:48 pm

“A person very close to Donald Trump tells me it’s indeed true what’s being bandied about Twitter — that the @USGSA, not Trump or anyone working for him in the White House, packed the boxes that the FBI took in Monday’s raid. If that’s true, it scrambles the omelet a bit,” Martosko announced.

It already is an omelet. Like God (or any President), he just has to say “let there be declassification” and what he saw was good.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:50 pm

UK GDP saw its biggest drop in 300 years – data

Revised data for 2020 showed the country’s economy shrank 11%

The British economy shrank by 11% in 2020, its largest drop in 300 years, revised data from the UK Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed on Monday. The previous reading had been a 9.3% decline.

This happened to be the biggest drop since the ONS began keeping records and the UK’s largest GDP slump since 1709, the year of the ‘Great Frost,’ when the country’s economy shrank by 13.4%, according to historical data provided by the Bank of England.

The downward revision was triggered by new data showing the effect the Covid-19 pandemic had on healthcare and individual retailers.

“The health service faced higher costs than we initially estimated, meaning its overall contribution to the economy was lower,” ONS analyst Craig McLaren explained, adding that retailers also faced higher costs, which prompted statisticians to revise their contribution to the economy.

In 2021, the British economy largely returned to its pre-pandemic levels. However, since the start of this year, it has been increasingly battered by rising inflation, and analysts now fear the country could tip into recession by the end of the year.

The ONS is due to publish its updated growth figures for 2021 and the first half of 2022 in September. The agency routinely updates its GDP estimates when it obtains more data.

Kneel
Kneel
August 23, 2022 3:50 pm

“Essentially he said that’s the extent of the fraud.”

Even taking the entire thing at face value and postulating no “cheating” of any type (which is very generous and even given what we know seems like a highly dubious assumption), it’s still near enough as makes no odds to half the votes. And the “no party affiliation” voters – who are the ones who decide the outcome in any election, not the “rusted on” voters – will pay attention. Well, some portion of them anyway. Enough to get you kicked out, IMO. And when you’re already in the gutter for your policies, that’s the last thing you can afford.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 3:50 pm

JC

Whatever you do, don’t get into another “Death Watch” bet with m0nty-fa. Creepy Joe is looking like another RBG,

I reckon he’s done, but the middle of next year. Done as in deadsky. Not betting though. as I’m just making a prediction.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 23, 2022 3:53 pm

ANOTHER NY TIMES DEEP STATE LEAK: Trump Allegedly Had More Than 300 ‘Classified’ Documents Stored at Mar-a-Lago</blockquote

Classified in inverted commas. As in ‘not really’. Earlier there was reference to documents marked classified.

I.e. de-classified.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 3:53 pm

Baris said that of the Biden 80mill, approx 8mill only marked the presidential race & no other candidate or “proposition”.
Of the Trump 75mill, approx 1mill only voted for Trump & nothing else.
Essentially he said that’s the extent of the fraud.

Yea, the fraud was two things. Cheating in the marginals and in order to make that cheating appear real, the demons boosted the vote in some of the blue states to underwrite the other fraud.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 3:57 pm

JCsays:
August 23, 2022 at 3:48 pm
feelthebern says:
August 23, 2022 at 3:32 pm

I just can’t get over the Finn PM.

Bern, she’s a real looker. Just give her some space.

Yep

Hard-partying Finnish PM’s drug test results revealed

Sanna Marin took the test voluntarily last week after leaked videos of her dancing at a party inspired outrage

Finnish PM Sanna Marin’s drug test, undertaken at her own expense after leaked video of her partying raised eyebrows across the country, has come back clean, her office has announced.

Marin held a press conference on Friday to explain that while she had been drinking lightly during the party where the videos were shot, she hadn’t taken any drugs, and she was “always” in suitable condition to “lead the country.”

“Even in my teenage years, I haven’t used any kind of drugs,” the 36-year-old prime minister continued, insisting “I took the tests just to be sure [because of the suspicion].”

She took a similar line on Thursday, explaining that the party, while “wild,” took place at a private home during her own leisure time – though she was “disappointed” it had become public, slamming the leaker for violating her trust.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 23, 2022 4:02 pm

He’s [SloMo] so terrified of public opinion he’d never do such a thing unless he was told to.

SloMo gives jellyfish a bad name.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 23, 2022 4:13 pm

Hurley hasn’t covered himself in glory here. But what would you expect from a big-government hack, who emasculated the ADF so he would be in line for the GG gig

I’m no fan of Hurley but he’s even less culpable than SloMo. Can’t see this storm in a teacup causing any damage.

P
P
August 23, 2022 4:14 pm

Sanna Marin – a few nice pics here

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 4:16 pm

Sanna Marin is the best example of why Newsom will be the DNC nominee in 2024.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 23, 2022 4:16 pm

The Finns influence on world affairs begins and ends with rallying.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 23, 2022 4:22 pm

OldOzzie says:
August 23, 2022 at 2:04 pm

Jesus, Byzantium and the Slavic legacy: The true meaning behind the Russian flag explained

The white, blue, and red banner and the double-headed eagle on the coat of arms are recognized all over the world.

Where did they come from?

The double headed eagle was the symbol of the Assyrian Empire who took the northern tribes of Israel captive. Those captive Israelites soon after rose up and defeated the Assyrians and set up their own kingdoms through the Caucasus, Persia, and across the Russian steppes (the Indo-European people in today’s language).

The Assyrian people became part of their new kingdoms and preferred to live as a vassal state to the Parthians instead of the Roman Empire.

The red, white and blue Russian flag was copied from the French tricolour. Almost all of the national flags of western Europe and the Anglosphere are red, white and blue. These were the colours of the tabernacle (a large tent like structure) which stood in the centre of the encampment during the 40 year Exodus. The encampment was arranged like a cross so everyone everyday would have seen the red, white and blue billowing in the desert breezes.

Assyrian double-headed eagle

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
August 23, 2022 4:25 pm

I just can’t get over the Finn PM.
If she had a face liked a dropped pie would people be all over social media giving her a tongue bath?

Tongue bath this

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
August 23, 2022 4:28 pm

So, the Solicitor General just told us what we all knew. GG’s must act on advice of PM.

Then why bother have a GG.

If the PM advises him to eat babies…

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 23, 2022 4:29 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer says:
August 23, 2022 at 2:37 pm

It’s not the “holding” it’s the “not revealing” that is different.

Yep, that’s pretty weird by any measure, I wonder what his colleagues think about him.

Super Secret Scotty.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 23, 2022 4:30 pm

H B Bear says:
August 23, 2022 at 4:16 pm

The Finns influence on world affairs begins and ends with rallying.

Rallying, snipers & Nokia phones.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 4:31 pm

Lysandersays:

August 23, 2022 at 3:34 pm

So, the Solicitor General just told us what we all knew. GG’s must act on advice of PM.

Yes.
And just like that, the Maintain the Rage Class of ’75 wants the GG to pull rank on the PM.

rosie
rosie
August 23, 2022 4:33 pm

“Peter Dutton earlier on Thursday accused Mr Albanese of being “borderline hysterical” in his reaction to the revelations.

“He sounded more like an opposition leader than a prime minister in the last couple of days and borderline hysterical,” the Opposition Leader told 2GB.

“But he sees political opportunity and he’s taken it – fair enough.”
Dutton was correct.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 4:37 pm

Excellent Quaddie look into the future of tiered access to precious power, by Christopher Ackhurst.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 4:41 pm

Vickisays:
August 23, 2022 at 3:21 pm

Dr John Campbell’s vid of the other day talks about this – It seems to have been a second red-pilling moment for him.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
August 23, 2022 4:42 pm

Excellent Quaddie look into the future of tiered access to precious power, by Christopher Ackhurst

Let them eat cold cake*

* even this may become an unimaginable luxury for the peasants

Zipster
August 23, 2022 4:48 pm

Drbeen Medical Lectures

SARS-CoV-2 BA.2.75 Evasion of Neutralizing Antibody Response

In this preprint study from Ohio State University the researchers demonstrate the extent of immune escape by the BA.2.75.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 4:49 pm

rosie says:
August 23, 2022 at 4:33 pm

“Peter Dutton earlier on Thursday accused Mr Albanese of being “borderline hysterical” in his reaction to the revelations.

“He sounded more like an opposition leader than a prime minister in the last couple of days and borderline hysterical,” the Opposition Leader told 2GB.

“But he sees political opportunity and he’s taken it – fair enough.”
Dutton was correct.

For about a week or so, if I’m in the car and the news is on, I hear The Albanian’s stupid voice whining about what Morrison did. It’s as serious to The Albanian like he just heard 3 kids were killed. No one gives a shit though. OMG he’s a boring nothing. I don’t think we’re that far from the honeymoon being well and truly over.

Zipster
August 23, 2022 4:49 pm

What’s that smell? Big Food corporations are quietly adding crickets and other insects into meal bars, cookies and snacks

just like you won’t get a choice about driving EVs, you WILL eat bugs and you WILL be happy

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 4:50 pm

The Albanian’s diction is just terrible.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 4:52 pm

you WILL eat bugs and you WILL be happy

Balmain bugs are terrific an Arrabbiata sauce. Steady on zip.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 4:53 pm

I can see certain areas having “their” big battery, for their use when the other suburbs join the outer darkness.

In the UK energy costs can consume as much as 1/4 of your annual income.

If you dont like it then just stop being poor.

https://www.goodto.com/money/how-much-will-my-energy-bills-cost-650637
Ofgem will announce the new energy price cap figure(opens in new tab) towards the end of the summer and it will come into effect on 1 October 2022.

Right now, analysts at Cornwall Insight are predicting around an 80% hike for average use in October, taking average energy bills to a whopping £3,500. This follows the 54% increase that came into effect in April 2022. Predictions are changing frequently so this estimate will likely change again before the official figure is announced.
….
Median household disposable income in the UK was £31,400 in financial year ending (FYE) 2021
..
for the minimum wageies..
What is the National Living Wage? The National Living Wage (NLW) is paid to workers in the UK aged 23 and over. At the current rate, an NLW salary of 40 hours a week means you’d earn £380, giving you a monthly salary of £1,520 before tax and any applicable deductions.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 4:55 pm

in an…

Zipster
August 23, 2022 4:55 pm

Globalists will gorge on meat while their human slaves are forced to eat bugs

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 5:00 pm

Imagine being in charge of doing your best to make peoples lives ‘better’ in government and thinking jacking up power prices, eating bugs and impoverishing people is “for the best”.

At least the nazis had some crackpot master race theories to justify shitting over 9/10ths of the planetary population in their quest for ‘the greater good”.

Ours seem to think that deliberately impoverishing people doesnt make them bad or immoral because they have a green cult to appease.

rickw
rickw
August 23, 2022 5:00 pm

“I’m president now, and I say this is classified again sand this is now a public document not yours, so you Mr Trump, are now breaking the law.”

They really want a civil war.

Have they thought this through?

rickw
rickw
August 23, 2022 5:02 pm

The Albanian’s diction is just terrible.

Trained by Sylvester the cat?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 5:03 pm

Imagine being in charge of doing your best to make peoples lives ‘better’ in government and thinking jacking up power prices, eating bugs and impoverishing people is “for the best”.

It’s a feature of western democracy.
Not a bug.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 5:06 pm

JCsays:

August 23, 2022 at 4:50 pm

The Albanian’s diction is just terrible

The Albaniansh dicshun ish jusht tebble.

rickw
rickw
August 23, 2022 5:08 pm

Pope Benedict never got over the murder of his disabled cousin in that quest for racial purity.

And then he was pushed into becoming a “Flak Helper” IIRC. Ammo lugger for AA batteries.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 5:12 pm

The Albaniansh dicshun ish jusht tebble.

He’s trying to emulate one of the last of the “authentic” Labor politicians – Arthur Augustus “Cocky” Calwell – the diction, the glasses, the baggy suits…..

calli
calli
August 23, 2022 5:13 pm

He’d better keep away from Mosman then.

Indolent
Indolent
August 23, 2022 5:14 pm
Indolent
Indolent
August 23, 2022 5:15 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 5:16 pm

Just a week after celebrating his 100th birthday, Phillip Maisel has died
Carly Douglas NCA NewsWire
Tue, 23 August 2022 2:00PM
Melbourne Holocaust survivor Phillip Maisel has died just one week after celebrating his 100th birthday.

Mr Maisel died in Melbourne on Monday just eight days after celebrating his birthday alongside his twin sister and fellow survivor Bella.

The Holocaust survivor recorded more than 1000 video testimonies of survivors for the Melbourne Holocaust Museum, preserving the voices of the Holocaust for future generations.

The Maisel family is yet to release further details about his death.

Mr Maisel endured two miserable years in a Jewish ghetto as a teenager, before surviving multiple Nazi labour and concentration camps.

As a motor mechanic, he used his skills to survive the Nazis, with his trade making him valuable enough to keep alive.

Four years after their liberation, Mr Maisel and his sister settled in Australia with their uncle in January 1949 – a move the survivor said he is forever grateful for.

After building a life in Melbourne and raising his two daughters, the go-getter decided to embark on a new journey.

At the age of 70, Phillip enthusiastically signed up to spend four days a week recording the ­testimonies of Holocaust survivors at the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Melbourne – a job he gave his heart and soul to for 30 years.

Oh come on
Oh come on
August 23, 2022 5:18 pm

I’m going to title this ABC News article with the title it has on the ABC News app:

5 things we learned from solicitor-general’s advice into Morrison’s secret ministries

Well, it turns out ABC sub editors can’t count as, according to its story, we learnt that Morro didn’t do anything illegal (no shit) and “[t]he secrecy wasn’t consistent with ‘responsible government’” – more on that in a bit. Anyway, that’s two things. Where are the other three? Well, there is a list of five potential “solutions” to prevent this from happening again. (Presumably this is where the “5 things” came from.) To my mind, it makes more sense to regard the five solutions as a single “thing” learnt, so we actually learnt 3 “things”. But even if you want to consider each proposed solution as a discrete “thing”, then that means we learnt 7 “things”. Please stop trying to be Buzzfeed, ABC. You’re shit at replicating something that is inherently shit already.

Now for the muh responsible government nonsense:

The solicitor-general said the capacity for the public and the Parliament to know which ministers have been appointed to administer which departments “is critical to the proper functioning of responsible government”.

That’s because the appointments determine what a minister is legally and politically responsible for.

What a load of crap. ‘Responsible government’ is a fiction long superceded by the two party system and the presidential nature of the Prime Minister’s role. The vast majority of people vote by party preference, or they vote for or against the PM. If things go well or badly for a government due to a minister’s performance, this will be attributed by the public to the PM far more than it will the minister in question. For all intents and purposes, the PM is always the parallel “secret” minister of every portfolio in his government. His star, and that of his government, rises and falls on the collective performance of his front bench. For individual members of his front bench – not so much.

This is all such a non-story. That the ABC needs to explain to its readers why they should be angry about it is a bit of a giveaway.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 5:19 pm

I haven’t heard much from the gold bugs here and how gold was going to supersede everything else. Going to the moon in the face of terrible inflation numbers, we were told. The Greenback to be flattened! What happened?
The US Dollar index is at the highs and :-
Gold hit a high of US$2,070 earlier in the year and it’s now US$1,738.

The gold bugs seem to have been buggered.

Indolent
Indolent
August 23, 2022 5:22 pm

This was linked in a comment under Jo Nova’s article on “unknown deaths”

Sudden Adult Death Syndrome baffles doctors

It’s from June so may have been seen before, but still pretty relevant.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 5:22 pm

Queastion

How does the Albanian really know he has a Italian father? Was there a DNA test because how would his mother know for sure? 🙂

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 5:27 pm

The Albaniansh dicshun ish jusht tebble.

The other day he was talking about Indonesian “terrists”.

Not tourists, but terrorists.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Old Bloke:
I wonder what his colleagues think about him.

Betrayal shouldn’t sit well with anyone, especially when it’s a collegiate system.

It’s saying to his colleagues, including to the ones he didn’t do it to, that, “I don’t think you’re up to it; maybe I don’t think I can trust you to make the right decisions so I’ll make my own arrangements to sideline you if it becomes necessary.”

Trust has to be one of the most important aspects of all human relationships including working together with others. And, as in marriage, it can’t be easily mended when it’s been deliberately and/or thoughtlessly damaged.

I watched an interview with the constitutional law expert, Dr Ann Twomey, from Sydney Uni, last week. When asked about the idea that Morrison may have shadowed these ministers because of a concern that any one of them could have ended up very sick from the virus and would quite probably require a replacement, her response was, “what about him, if he were to become sick?” Why did he not think that he, too, could require the same shadowing for the very same reason? And why did he not think the usual processes of replacement of a minister were not considered sufficient to make replacements? (Morrison had already used Zoom to have ministers sworn in by the GG).

otoh, if Morrison was more concerned about the excessive powers – first, because of s.475 in regard to health, which was the reason he gave Hunt for his co-swearing in, and then, as he himself said last week at his presser, because of concerns he had about the quantum of funds being shovelled out the door because of the lockdowns etc, he grabs Finance. But for finance and the others, do not in any way, explain the reason why, given that discussions about funding of different things would be one of the most often discussed subjects at cabinet level.

I know many are wanting to move on from this – wanting our new PM to start acting like he’s in government and not in opposition. But at this stage, this may be the only way to force the government to convene a full inquiry into what happened to this country since 2020 at all levels of government.

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 5:28 pm

At the age of 70, Phillip enthusiastically signed up to spend four days a week recording the ­testimonies of Holocaust survivors at the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Melbourne – a job he gave his heart and soul to for 30 years.

I’m not sure a Gentile can say this, but a real Mentsh.

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 5:32 pm

Why did he not think that he, too, could require the same shadowing for the very same reason?

In such a circumstance the deputy PM would step in.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 23, 2022 5:43 pm

Where Is Steven D’Antuono?

The head of the FBI’s field office in Washington, D.C., has a lot of explaining to do.

By Julie Kelly

A few days after the Capitol protest on January 6, 2021, a tough-talking FBI chief with a Boston accent promised the American people that the bureau would spare no resource in hunting down everyone and anyone involved in the four-hour disturbance that day.

Steven M. D’Antuono, the newly appointed head of the Washington, D.C. FBI field office, gave the public a stern warning. “The FBI will leave no stone unturned. This is a 24/7, full bore, extensive operation,” D’Antuono explained during a January 12, 2021 press conference at the Department of Justice. “As Director Wray says, the FBI does not do easy.”

His agency, D’Antuono bragged, has a “long memory and a broad reach.” Agents from 56 FBI field offices across the country “will be knocking on your door if we find out you were part of the criminal activity at the Capitol.” He urged people to turn in their co-workers, neighbors, and relatives if they had information that could help the FBI in its dragnet.

Turns out, his comments weren’t just Beantown-style braggadocio. More than 850 Americans since then have been investigated, arrested, and charged for mostly nonviolent offenses related to the January 6 protest. Armed FBI agents have conducted early morning raids at homes across the country, using military style vehicles to batter in front doors while traumatizing families, children, and neighbors in the process. It is a crusade of fear and terror meant to reinforce D’Antuono’s threats that those who dared to demonstrate against the fraudulent election of Joe Biden that day will pay a hefty price.

Nearly 20 months later, D’Antuono’s office continues to announce new arrests.

And it’s not just Trump voters who face D’Antuono’s wrath. His agents publicly arrested Peter Navarro, a former Trump White House advisor, at Reagan National Airport in June on contempt of Congress charges. Navarro said FBI agents placed him in handcuffs and leg irons even though he lives next door to FBI Headquarters in Washington. After Steve Bannon, a longtime Trump confidant, was convicted on those same charges in July, D’Antuono boasted in a Justice Department press release how it was a great day for democracy: “The tenets of our government rely upon citizens adhering to the established rules of law. Lawful tools, such as subpoenas and other legal orders, are critical in our system of government. Mr. Bannon was found guilty of contempt by a jury of his peers for his choice to ignore a lawful subpoena.”

D’Antuono’s agents also led the raid of Mar-a-Lago on August 8.

Which is where the intersection of D’Antuono’s conduct at the FBI gets a bit tricky, if not shady as hell.

The great irony here is that if the jury finds Fox and Croft not guilty, one contributing factor might be how D’Antuono’s raid of Trump’s home further torched the credibility of the FBI, particularly in places like western Michigan where jurors now deliberate their fate. And perhaps D’Antuono’s, too.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 23, 2022 5:43 pm

So what is the deal with Elbow’s popularity going up?

My assumption is that he has had some great photo ops while travelling around the world – a political staple, lets be honest.

That and the fact he can still blame everything on the ‘policy settings’ of the last government, so we can all loathe the people voted out while the new broom has not had a reasonable chance to prove how cleanly they sweep yet – another political staple.

So, has there been any clever management of message or messaged, or is it the bog standard honeymoon which no one should think heralds things to come?

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 5:45 pm

oco:
‘Responsible government’ is a fiction long superceded by the two party system and the presidential nature of the Prime Minister’s role.

Whatever is thought by the voters – the rules are what matters. See as an example when Lidia Thorpe tried to change the wording of her swearing in as a senator – she was told if she didn’t use the correct form of words she could not have the position.

The vast majority of people vote by party preference, or they vote for or against the PM. If things go well or badly for a government due to a minister’s performance, this will be attributed by the public to the PM far more than it will the minister in question.

While it doesn’t happen as much as it used to, when ministers do something wrong or are deemed by the court of public opinion to have been wrong, whomever it is – aka the person – minister/ prime minister/premier – resigns.

For all intents and purposes, the PM is always the parallel “secret” minister of every portfolio in his government.

There is nothing secret about it. Everyone knows who the PM is and that he would, whenever necessary, which is always, be discussing with his minister(s) major problems and resolutions. But it’s still known that it is the minister who makes the decision in any portfolio.

His star, and that of his government, rises and falls on the collective performance of his front bench.

That is no reason to secretly takeover the ministerial responsibilities of other ministers. If that was reasonable we would get rid of our system of government and just let, oh, I don’t know… the PM of the day, or for that matter, any dictator, to take all the reins of power to himself/herself.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 5:45 pm

Article in the gruinaid by a race pimp.

Vile little scuttling turd who hates his skin because if he werent black “he cudda been a contendah”..

A few little highlights.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/23/world-remember-slavery-britain-imperial-history

On 23 August every year, Unesco’s day of remembrance focuses on the Black men and women who started an uprising in Haiti in 1791.
That would be the uprising which saw every white person on the island killed… genocided I believe is the popular term?
…..
Unesco’s International Day for the Remembrance of the Slave Trade and its Abolition provides an opportunity for Britain to share responsibility with other European empires for slavery, and therefore exonerate itself by framing slavery as a common historical practice.
Who captured and sold those slaves dickwad? Who on the African continent enriched themselves providing the material? Its also worth a mention that slavery was not a uniquely “black’ experience.

Avoiding discussions of slavery for the rest of the year plays into the hands of culture warriors who are itching for a US-style standoff, and prefer to frame any reckoning with Britain’s colonial past as an attempt to destabilise the country. Take, for example, Kemi Badenoch’s distracting and ill-informed grandstanding over critical race theory, or Cressida Dick’s portrayal of institutional racism and police brutality as merely a few bad apples, or the repeated attempts to frame Black Lives Matter as a movement that is hostile to white people.
The usual appeal for peace in our time if the ground is just pre-emptively surrendered to the race pimps.

Frequently we hear the paternalist account of Britain’s role in the slave trade, which focuses on the country’s contribution to ending slavery and the navy’s role in rescuing enslaved people after 1807. Britain would rather be remembered as a saviour and emancipator than a perpetrator. As a result, we hear far less about other parts of its history, such as how, in the scramble to colonise parts of Africa in the 19th century, abolitionist arguments helped to justify imperial expansion.
That would be colonisation based on overthrowing barbaric regimes engaged in perpetuating slavery, often leavened with human sacrifice (at least in Africa), so whats it to be Ur-mong, slavery is bad, everywhere and all the time, or only slavery by “the west’ is wrong?
….
Britain built unprecedented wealth by exploiting people of African descent as labour and commodities for 300 years and colonising parts of Asia.
Ok lets play the mong game: What would the condition of Africa be if Africans hadnt been capturing/warring to provide slaves for the “west’ to buy.
Because people didnt go from freemen to enslaved by the uniquely evil English without a stage inbetween.
Indeed its 99% likely they were slaves in Africa before they were slaves anywhere else.

It was ONLY the “west” that ended slavery and then used their might to go on and end it elsewhere on the globe.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/cea_0008-0055_1965_num_5_18_3035

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 5:50 pm

So what is the deal with Elbow’s popularity going up?

Hasn’t had a major stuff up yet.

Ergo, probably exceeding the expectations of the average voter?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 23, 2022 5:50 pm

old ozzie, The Federalist has broken most of these stories.
Worthy of checking them out when you’re doing the rounds of the inter webs.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 6:03 pm

So what is the deal with Elbow’s popularity going up?

The less you hear from a pollie the more you like them.

Frank
Frank
August 23, 2022 6:04 pm

Normally you don’t want impaired people doing anything with consequences.

Indeed…. like, voting on legislation!!

Would it really matter, it is not like any of them actually read it before casting a vote.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 6:11 pm

Spot on Frank, they don’t.

But they get invited to attend briefings as a matter of courtesy from the Department (usually the Minister get their own private briefing and the shadow minister and other MPs are offered a briefing in camera).

I’ve sometimes been very surprised at some articulate MPs’ questions.

*Sometimes*

miltonf
miltonf
August 23, 2022 6:12 pm

I’m president now, and I say this is classified again sand this is now a public document not yours, so you Mr Trump, are now breaking the law.

Has there ever been a more evil old kunt polluting to White House? To think that deadshits, cretins and morons in Delaware voted for the piece of filth, that low rent crook for decades.

MatrixTransform
August 23, 2022 6:15 pm

It’s a feature of western democracy.
Not a bug.

be happy
eat the features

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 6:18 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
August 23, 2022 at 5:45 pm

mole, over the last few days I’ve been reading an on-line book, which was a link from an article on Quadrant. The book is https://archive.org/details/theywereslaves/page/32/mode/2up

The book’s position is that the word “slave” has its origin in “slav” and that in the beginning of the colonisation of North America and the West Indies, whites – not blacks – were the slaves. In fact more slaves were white in the early years of colonisation that there were ever black slaves.

Poor whites were kidnapped from the British Isles and sent to the New World; they were deported as prisoners because they were on the “losing side” – see Cromwell in Ireland and the Royalists in England. In the case of Ireland so many Irish were sent out to the colonies that at one point 5/6 of the population were forcibly taken. All people were sent – men, women, and children. They were sold and bartered for under the label of indentured servant but that descriptor was a misnomer. They were slaves.

As to the black slave trade. The author reports that some 12.7mill slaves were sent from Africa of which 10.2mill arrived in the new lands. What is truly surprising is that only 388,000 ended up in America – the rest went to the Caribbean and South America.

When it came to the difference between how the so-called indentured servants were treated in comparison to the black slaves of Africa, from the evidence, the expenditure associated with the transportation of blacks, as against the whites of the UK and Ireland, the latter were thoroughly expendable. The poor whites were considered to be criminals – part of the criminal class – or were considered a burden on the country, whereas the blacks were considered exotic, so whites were more likely to work in the fields in horrendous conditions while the blacks were more often used as domestics.

The book is a sad and sorrowful account of what the English upper classes did to there own people and while in no way do I mean that one form of slavery was a disgrace while the other was more acceptable because of a different of skin colour – the fact that the story of the white slaves of America and the West Indies has been (deliberately) covered up and remains (largely) unknown while the opposite is true for the negro slave trade, is shocking.

While I’ve been reading this book, it’s occurred to me something that I’ve never quite understood. That is, how and why young British kids were transported to Australia in the ’50s and ’60s – the story of the “Oranges and Sunshine” kids who were made to work like slaves on farms especially in WA. Now I know why – the British government was doing what had been done over and over again to poor white people from the UK and Ireland for more than 400 years.

miltonf
miltonf
August 23, 2022 6:18 pm

Lesson learned over the last five years- the US is controlled be a coalition of criminals and marxists.

Bons
August 23, 2022 6:21 pm

PM Bouquet.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 6:22 pm

Until tomorrow* Cats – stay well!

*Bring the champers to celebrate MaoCon’s 4th anniversary of being turfed out of PM’s office.

miltonf
miltonf
August 23, 2022 6:23 pm

That is, how and why young British kids were transported to Australia in the ’50s and ’60s – the story of the “Oranges and Sunshine” kids who were made to work like slaves on farms especially in WA. Now I know why – the British government was doing what had been done over and over again to poor white people from the UK and Ireland for more than 400 years.

That’s interesting BBS because it describes the experience of a friend of my Dad’s who came out from England and was worked very very hard on a farm here.

Lysander
Lysander
August 23, 2022 6:26 pm

had been done over and over again to poor white people from the UK and Ireland for more than 400 years.

I will add: As a 100% blooded Irishman, I demand a Voice to undo this injustice!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 6:29 pm

WA daylight saving: Mark McGowan rejects calls for referendum on issue
Headshot of Caitlyn Rintoul
Caitlyn Rintoul
The West Australian
Tue, 23 August 2022 3:30PM
Comments

Stuff me with green apples – McGowan’s finally said something I agree with.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 23, 2022 6:31 pm

Facts are slavery is a bad thing.
These race pimps arent being big, clever or shocking saying it was a bad thing.
Instead they stand on the shoulders of the giants who overthrew it, often at massive risk and great expenditure of treasure and whine it should never have taken place in the first place.

And 9/10 times its because they are grifting based on their skin colour.

Despicable vermin.

MatrixTransform
August 23, 2022 6:34 pm

“Individuals from this mob have been cultivated from a very young age. The indoctrination that begins young is often irreversible. For this mob, being offended or calling others pejorative epithets is the equivalent of being virtuous. Hence, they function like puritans who are perpetually looking for heresy to condemn.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/08/the_new_epidemic_of_selfsilencing_plagues_america.html

welcome to my life
everything I say is apparently a problem
and if it isnt what I say then, its how I said it

dont mention nationality, gender, climate, colour, race, or IQ … just makes it worserer

Tom
Tom
August 23, 2022 6:44 pm

I don’t think we’re that far from the honeymoon being well and truly over

Being an old Trot lefty ideologue, Elbow’s starting assumption about politics is that the masses are too stupid t0 see what he’s doing to them.

But, like all modern politicians, everything he does — or attempts to do — is poll-driven.

So he will be dismayed in a few months when the honeymoon he dreamed would last years suddenly ends when his opinion-polled popularity goes through the floor.

Like all the others — Trumble, SloMo, Kevin07 — he’s just a politician who ascended to party leadership only after his mediocre predecessor came to grief.

Like the Stupid Fucking Liberal he defeated, Elbow isn’t a leader’s bottom.

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 6:49 pm

Stuff me with green apples – McGowan’s finally said something I agree with.

Don’t give him too much credit; he’s simply read the polls.

local oaf
August 23, 2022 6:49 pm

So what is the deal with Elbow’s popularity going up?

My guess is a lot of people who voted Labor didn’t know anything about him or care. They were just voting Scomo out!
Now they’ve had a look at Albo being praised non stop in the media and think he must be OK, so they’re happy with the replacement the system gave them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 6:49 pm

JCsays:

August 23, 2022 at 5:22 pm

Queastion

How does the Albanian really know he has a Italian father? Was there a DNA test because how would his mother know for sure?

I have a theory.
She was already pregnant when she was despatched overseas, possibly to someone in the extended family.
The Italian steward story is just a cover.
As an aside, how many dirt-poor housos could afford a cruise back in the early ’60’s?

Roger
Roger
August 23, 2022 6:54 pm

Lesson learned over the last five years- the US is controlled be a coalition of criminals and marxists.

A.k.a. the Democratic Party.

Jefferson Davis will be turning in his grave.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 7:08 pm

“As an aside, how many dirt-poor housos could afford a cruise back in the early ’60’s?”

Mark Latham has called it out for the fabrication it is. Mark Latham actually did grow up in housing commission in Sydney’s west. Albanese’s mother’s father owned and ran a printing business, as did her brother. They weren’t dirt poor. It’s bullshit.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 23, 2022 7:09 pm

OMG he’s a boring nothing.

Perfect description of the hapless PM, – the product of his life experiences hitherto and boy does it show.

rosie
rosie
August 23, 2022 7:12 pm

Pope Benedict, like most able bodied young men was conscripted into the German army at age 16, and at first opportunity, deserted.
His family was anti nazi and any suggestion (a la the Guardian) that he was a voluntary member of the Hitler Youth.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 7:12 pm

The Italian steward story is just a cover.

It sounds like Obama’s family “story”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 7:13 pm

As an aside, how many dirt-poor housos could afford a cruise back in the early ’60’s?

Weren’t Albo’s grandparents, on his mother’s side, reasonably well off?

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 7:17 pm

“Pope Benedict, like most able bodied young men was conscripted into the German army at age 16, and at first opportunity, deserted.
His family was anti nazi and any suggestion (a la the Guardian) that he was a voluntary member of the Hitler Youth.”

Correct.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 23, 2022 7:18 pm

It’s been said before here but I’ll say it anyway – Anal exemplifies show biz for ugly people.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 23, 2022 7:22 pm

I have a theory.
She was already pregnant when she was despatched overseas, possibly to someone in the extended family.
The Italian steward story is just a cover.
As an aside, how many dirt-poor housos could afford a cruise back in the early ’60’s?

That’s my theory too — for the same reason:

how many dirt-poor housos could afford a cruise back in the early ’60’s

rosie
rosie
August 23, 2022 7:23 pm

Fuel prices here at some servos went from $1.55 to $1.95 today.
Looking forward to the excise rebate ending, Elbow.

rosie
rosie
August 23, 2022 7:26 pm

She was only a houso after she got home as a pregnant single mother to be, before going on the cruise with her brother presumably she lived at home with mum and dad.
Perhaps they weren’t impressed with her getting pregnant to a waiter.
I don’t doubt that particular story, it’s just a variation on a theme.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 23, 2022 7:26 pm

If the cover story for an ill-begotten pregnancy is “Italian steward”, then the real father must have been a piece of work

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 7:30 pm

Albanese is on a high because of a fawning MSM. It was exactly the same with Rudd and Gillard. Liberal PMs and governments never experience this fawning and adulation. A classic example of this fawning was, as someone said above, Albanese sculling a beer and the left and the MSM applaud and shout “hoorah….how marvellous”, yet when Tony Abbott sculled a beer, the left and the MSM screamed in horror and implied he was a menace. The double standards are endless and until Liberals start to ruthlessly call out these endless double standards from various media outlets, nothing will change.

Anyway, Albanese’s high polling won’t last because there’s one thing in life you can be sure of, just as the sun will always rise in the east and set in the west….Labor will fuck things up.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 23, 2022 7:34 pm

That’s my theory too — for the same reason:

Certainly fit in with the “mores” of the times – pregnant daughter packed off overseas, comes back with a wedding ring and a story of a husband killed in a car accident…

Bruce
Bruce
August 23, 2022 7:37 pm

@ RickW:

“The Albanian’s diction is just terrible.

Trained by Sylvester the cat?”

Sylvester Stallone, maybe?

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 7:37 pm

Guys, there were stories with photos of the Albanian finally meeting up with his dear old Italian dad. Surely, that can’t be bullshit. The Albanian isn’t smart enough to concoct a story that convoluted, surely?

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 23, 2022 7:38 pm

Wasn’t the pychopath from foreign affairies supposed to riding high in the polls then wam bam it was TLS time.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 7:40 pm

Bruce says:
August 23, 2022 at 7:37 pm

@ RickW:

“The Albanian’s diction is just terrible.

Trained by Sylvester the cat?”

Sylvester Stallone, maybe?

I lived in Sydney a long time ago, and although the regional diction differences are marginal they’re apparent to an Australian ear. But I can’t really recall Western Sydney diction. Is the Albanian’s a real Western Sydney drawl?

Rabz
August 23, 2022 7:41 pm

Is the Albanian’s a real Western Sydney drawl?

No. Trust me on this, JC. He’s just a common or garden variety vegetable.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 7:42 pm

Nice piece in City Journal evaluating the genesis of Woke.

Where Did Wokeness Come From?

Rabz
August 23, 2022 7:44 pm

The Sylvester the Cat hypothesis does sound quite plausible, however.

Oh – and gang of yooves are shit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 7:44 pm

Wally Dalísays:

August 23, 2022 at 7:26 pm

If the cover story for an ill-begotten pregnancy is “Italian steward”, then the real father must have been a piece of work

Not necessarily a “piece of work” per se, but if he was say, an uncle or older married family friend, it would have been an epic scandal even now, let alone in 1962.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 23, 2022 7:45 pm

Is the Albanian’s a real Western Sydney drawl?

. Well having not worked for Slugs & Grubs it’s not the firm’s house accent – a la Gillard — No I think Albo’s accent is more a product of breaking in teeth for his corgi.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 7:45 pm

” Is the Albanian’s a real Western Sydney drawl?”

Nah….the Albanian didn’t grow up in Sydney’s West. He grew up in Marrickville, which is near the airport, went to the local Catholic primary school and then went to St Mary’s Cathedral school in Sydney’s CBD for high school. He had a good education, courtesy of the Catholic church, of which his mother was a devout adherent.

The Albanian is a classic bullshit artist

Bruce
Bruce
August 23, 2022 7:45 pm

@ Milton F:

“Has there ever been a more evil old kunt polluting to White House? ”

Wilson and FDR spring to mind as being serious competition.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 23, 2022 7:48 pm

Cassie

Anyway, Albanese’s high polling won’t last because there’s one thing in life you can be sure of, just as the sun will always rise in the east and set in the west….Labor will fuck things up.

It must be something about lefties’

“Never underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” B.H. Obama

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 23, 2022 7:49 pm

BBS
Be aware of confirmation bias, which is esp prevalent where injustice, race and class are invoked.
I’ve had a dig into South Sea islanders labour, which has been forcibly rebranded as “blackbirding” and plumped up to be nothing less than abduction and slavery at the muzzle of a musket. The evidence contrary is rock solid, and there’s contemporaneous advertisements, contracts and receipts galore, as well as the records of the patrols at land and sea who enforced the British law.
Also I’m keen to stand up to the scottish Highland Clearances and Irish potato famine diasporas- although it might be counterintuitive, the vagaries of fortune for the longstanding feudal tenant farmers- as opposed to the far less common and newfabgled crofters or freeholders- meant that many immigrants were more than happy to sell possessions and pay passage for themselves and their many offspring to the promises of the New World, with or without the stability of indenture.
The mass exodus from Ireland in the 1840’s was heaps more financial than famine. The monoculture model of spuds, which was pumped up by their versatility as rations for the Napoleonic wars, was a mistake for tenant farmers eggs-n-basket in the first place- but the boom wet and warm conditions which kicked off the blight actually fuelled a boom in butter and kelp, which were mass exports west. Would you choose to settle in to the poorhouse, or settle your debts with work-and food and lodging- in New England, Virginia or Kentucky?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 7:50 pm

The Albanian isn’t smart enough to concoct a story that convoluted, surely?

But Klaus Schwab is.

Rabz
August 23, 2022 7:51 pm

Albanese’s high polling won’t last because there’s one thing in life you can be sure of, just as the sun will always rise in the east and set in the west….Labor will fuck things up

Yep – let’s see how popular the morons are in two years time (or even twelve months) – they’ll be as about as welcome as a diagnosis of arse cancer.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 7:52 pm

But Klaus Schwab is.

You’re saying Klaus is his father?

Armadillo
Armadillo
August 23, 2022 7:52 pm

They claim that they junked the old one because when they said there was a 70% chance of rain, people thought this meant 70% of the predicted amount of rainfall. I find this very, very hard to believe.

Mrs A attended a “BOM Seminar” a few years back. The presenter asked anyone if they understood what the forecast meant. There were about 50 farmers there, and only one got the right answer. This presenter dude had been lobbying for years to have it changed (for obvious reasons, as no one understood it).

Here is what he explained.

Say that the prediction is for 70% chance of 5-10 millimetres of rain.

First part. The 70% means that the local weather station (say Tamworth airport) has a 70% chance of receiving 0.2% millimetres of rain in the next 24 hours.

The second part. The 5-10 millimetres means a 50% chance of 5 millimetres of rain, and a 25% chance of 10 millimetres of rain.

Who fucking knew? At this particular seminar, the answer was 1 in 50 apparently (and these guys were pretty much all farmers). I’d guess that in the general population, it would be closer to 1 in 5000.

You can see exactly why it needed to change.

The

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 23, 2022 7:53 pm

Bruce

Wilson and FDR spring to mind as being serious competition.

Woodrow Wilson, who re-segregated the US Federal civil service. IIRC, it was US Grant who de-segregated it.

FDR, the economic “genius”, whose actions extended the Depression in the US by some years, according to modern research.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 23, 2022 7:53 pm

JCsays:

August 23, 2022 at 7:52 pm

But Klaus Schwab is.

You’re saying Klaus is his father?

No.
Klaus arranged the back-story.
The ‘father’ is really an actor from Noo Joisy.

JC
JC
August 23, 2022 7:54 pm

Sanchex
I dunno, but Anthony / Tony Schwab just doesn’t sound right.

Armadillo
Armadillo
August 23, 2022 7:55 pm

The presenter had been lobbying to get this changed this for years. Good for him. Looks like he finally got a win against the meteorology establishment.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 23, 2022 8:10 pm

Like all the others — Trumble, SloMo, Kevin07 — he’s just a politician who ascended to party leadership only after his mediocre predecessor came to grief.

Like the Stupid Fucking Liberal he defeated, Elbow isn’t a leader’s bottom.

This is a Solid Truth – hopefully not an Iron Law.

Looking at the detail (as I tend to do) of the empty promises that got Labor into power, Australia will know that Elbow isn’t a leader’s bottom well before the next election.

Lord help us.

m0nty
m0nty
August 23, 2022 8:11 pm

Man, it must be tiring for you lot to keep so many lies in your head all at once.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 8:14 pm

So what is the deal with Elbow’s popularity going up?

All welcome-to-country smoke and media mirrors: Mr. Nice Guy.

Inflation and rising prices seen as Morrison’s legacy.

I think it will take more than twelve months for the rot to set in.
The media will spin it out to ‘other factors’ for as long as they can.
Don’t forget ‘doing our bit’. Wartime imagery will carry over the first blackout.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 8:17 pm

Man, it must be tiring for you lot to keep so many lies in your head all at once.

M0nty returns with his incisive wit.

Lefties lie, M0nty. Normal ordinary people sift through the debris to assess the lefty damage.
That is tiring.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 8:18 pm

“Man, it must be tiring for you lot to keep so many lies in your head all at once.”

Man, the biggest liar awakes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 8:18 pm

M0nty is a big pork chop.

We are having pork chops here for dinner.
One was huge. I had to cut the fat off it before we could flatten it on the grill.
I call it M0nty.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 8:20 pm

Yay!! Dinner time.

M0nty is looking well grilled.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 23, 2022 8:23 pm

Hairy is going to eat M0nty.

Hairy hates leftie liars with a vengeance. He chews out their stats, forensically and scientifically dissects their lies about matters climatic, and their deep desire for control at all costs.

Are you ready? calls Hairy from the kitchen.
Guess I am.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 23, 2022 8:23 pm

m0ntysays:
August 23, 2022 at 8:11 pm
Man, it must be tiring for you lot to keep so many lies in your head all at once.

m0nty-fa does have a point. Unlike lefties, who lie all the time, every day, we upright conservatives do our best to be honest at all times. As a result, even keeping track of minor fibs, like “Have a nice day, m0nty-fa, hope you are well”, can be a real strain.

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 8:27 pm

“Hairy hates leftie liars with a vengeance. He chews out their stats, forensically and scientifically dissects their lies about matters climatic, and their deep desire for control at all costs.”

Yes he does…superbly.

MatrixTransform
August 23, 2022 8:28 pm

it must be tiring for you lot to keep so many lies in your head all at once

mUnty makes a mooo-ing noise

Cassie of Sydney
August 23, 2022 8:33 pm

So Marles Snarles wants there to be ‘severe’ consequences” for Morrison. I wonder what has Dicky Snarles got in mind? I suppose he could unleash what’s left of the mean girls on Morrison, the last person mauled by the mean girls is dead. Quite effective actually.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 23, 2022 8:41 pm

Wally, while I take your point- and I admit that I haven’t read too much in this area – the book is replete with first hand accounts and has many references.

On the potato famine of 1840s Ireland – the seventeenth/eighteenth centuries is along way from there.

As to the English situation- the author refers to the factory system and the use of child labour with children taken from the poor house to remove them from being a burden on the parish. Rounding up the poor to meet the demands of commerce during this period is not unknown, just from reading Dickens.

But the wholesale deportation of poor people – against there will, in the majority of cases – and sold into slavery is not as well known, imo.

Take a look at the link, if you have a bit of time.

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