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Aren’t they all?
Dot, you clearly have plenty of experience!
Anyone want a tropical island? There’re 21 of them going cheap.
Fears China could make ‘extremely concerning purchase’ near Australia (Sky mainpage headline)
At $1.7 million per island it’s less than an average Sydney street of houses. Dunno why Albo isn’t interested, he likes holidaying.
The only election alert from the WSJ I’ve received is Nadler winning his primary.
I am surprised that’s newsworthy.
Margot Cleveland
??@ProfMJCleveland??
Total college endowments have gone up by $250 billion in last 7 years.
Student loan debt has increased by about $270 billion over same period.
Student loans are wealth transfers directly into the coffers of public and private universities.
And Democrats want taxpayers to fund it.
Commercial Vic radio news leads with the new allegations of senior VicPol command interference in the Redshirts affair.
ABC Vic news doesn’t even mention the story. The crypt keepers have Dan’s back.
Just heard that Queensland government is to actually fine Queensland teachers who are unvaccinated! The Qld spokeswoman actually said on TV in the last hour that this was “a punishment” for the unvaccinated teachers! I gather that this is in addition to the dock in pay that the unvaccinated teachers have already suffered.
I doubt that this has occurred in any other country. I could be wrong – but I read a lot of OS info on mandates & I can’t recall an actual “fine” for refusing to be injected.
This is a shitty country!
Background:
Ian Gowrie-Smith: From farm boy to high-flying investor (2014)
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 11:56 am
[It is litigation by leak where the government prevents others (including the target) from seeing key representations made to the court while releasing selective facts to its own advantage.]
Cry more, losers.
m0nty, the Dems have been “investigating” Trump for close to six years now, and for that whole time you’ve been tugging your little peen about how Trump is finished this time for sure, only to suffer a failed erection when it all turns into nothing.
Yes, the swamp may get some bogus charges to stick this time. However, given your rakemeister track record on Trump’s alleged wrongdoing (as with every other topic), you might be wise to refrain from anything “premature” if you get my drift.
Man takes new design mousetrap into the patents office. The clerk asks how it works. Well the mouse walks up the path smells the cheese on the other side of the razor blade, leans over to get the cheese and cuts his throat. Clerk says, what about if the mouse approaches from the other direction. Man goes away to think about it. next week he is back with new mousetrap. How does it work inquires the clerk. Well the mouse walks up the path leans over the saw blade to get the cheese. The clerk says there’s no cheese. The man says that’s what the mouse thinks moving his head side to side, where’s the fucking cheese. Works both ways.
Vickisays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:12 pm
Just heard that Queensland government is to actually fine Queensland teachers who are unvaccinated!
Lucky that the politicians promised us that there would be no compulsion to get jabbed.
Quite alarming Bruce. One island is long enough to land a 747 and the surrounding waters are deep enough for a sizeable port! He said he reached out to that Wong chap but never got a response.
Wow, that is a big admission.
So you are saying that after stealing national security documents and refusing to give them back in clear and obvious violation of the Espionage Act, Trump might get charged and convicted?
Huge if true.
Anyone got more info on redshirts – there’s only one reference and its paywalled at the HS….
Monty – glad you’re online which means you should be able to answer the question I’ve asked you four times now.
Do you still assert that Reinhart was “appointed by Trump” or is that yet another basic fact on this case that you’ve gotten wrong.
For Democrats and Due Process, It’s Now or Never.
The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago represents the logical next step in the left’s ongoing effort to destroy Donald Trump. The raid also evinces Democrats’ spiral of worry: A successful Trump return, once unthinkable to them, is looking more possible by the day. To stop it, Democrats and their anti-Trump Republican allies are prepared to shred every last norm of American due process.
Consider the January 6 Committee hearings – a one-sided show trial that, instead of “defending democracy,” in fact subverts due process and undermines American politics and justice alike. Why did Nancy Pelosi throw precedent to the wind, denying the minority party the right to seat its own chosen members on the committee? Why does the committee showcase select witnesses and cherry-picked testimony in carefully choreographed, professionally-produced television specials? And at the same time, why does it bury other testimony, potentially unhelpful to the chosen narrative, far from the cameras?
If Pelosi and the Democrats were confident in their case, they would make it without privilege or prejudice for any particular witness. Republican members, chosen by Republican leadership, would have the right to examine and cross-examine everyone who testifies. Ordinary due process would be observed. But the Democrats are clearly far from confident – about their case, but more importantly still, about their electoral prospects. For them, the January 6 hearings had to be a “no-risk” proposition, a fait accompli in which the “defendants” are presumed guilty with no opportunity to “prove” their innocence. Due process, for Pelosi and crew, was simply a luxury that could not be afforded.
At the same time, and for only the second time in half a century, the Justice Department successfully tried an individual for not complying with a congressional subpoena: former Trump aide Stephen Bannon, who originally refused to testify before the January 6 Committee, citing executive privilege. Ordinarily, division-of-power understandings counsel against such a prosecution; the Justice Department usually takes the view that Congress must enforce its own will in inherently political matters. This may be why Obama Attorney General Eric Holder was never prosecuted for defying congressional subpoenas over the Fast and Furious operation, wherein his department supplied thousands of firearms to criminals south of the border. But precedent, and the rules for the Obama Administration, simply do not apply to Trump – and they must not, lest he be able to run again for president. So, Bannon was prosecuted and convicted for defying a subpoena, even though he ultimately agreed to testify anyway. And for all that, Democrats still will not televise Bannon’s potentially inconvenient testimony.
And then came the raid in Palm Beach. For the first time in our nation’s history, Americans saw government agents with guns, at the behest of a sitting president’s Justice Department, enter the residence of his predecessor. The agents turned over the former president’s office and rummaged through the former first lady’s wardrobe, all supposedly to seize classified documents from Trump’s administration. Of course, Trump could have declassified any of the documents at issue while president if he chose to do so. But, as Andrew McCarthy argues in the New York Post, this isn’t about classified documents anyway; the raid was likely just a pretext to further the January 6 investigation.
Certainly, it was a continuation of the effort to discredit and remove Donald Trump forever.
The proles are rapidly leaving via the ratlines:
Students Opting Out of College Post-Covid (23 Aug)
Which isn’t surprising.
Guessing C For Every Answer Is Now Enough To Pass The New York State Algebra Exam (23 Aug)
New Taylor Swift class at UT Austin will dive deep into the artist’s songbook (23 Aug)
The idiocracy has credentials and knows how to use them!
LOL.
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:16 pm
Poor old zero comprehension m0nty.
I said “bogus”.
Poor old mental dwarf.
Trump didn’t “steal” anything. The boxes were packed by the archivists, not Trump’s staff.
And there’s no evidence he’s refused to give back anything.
Nor is there anything to refute his claim that he’d declassified it all anyway. (Astute readers will have noticed that the recent beatup is about large numbers of documents “marked classified” – which of course is a tacit admission that they’ve got no basis for saying that the documents hadn’t subsequently been declassified.)
Bruce of Newcastle says: August 24, 2022 at 12:12 pm
He certainly sums up (paragraphs 27 & 28 I think) just what poor businessmen bankers are, at even the business of banking.
Lysandersays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:20 pm
Monty – glad you’re online which means you should be able to answer the question I’ve asked you four times now.
Do you still assert that Reinhart was “appointed by Trump” or is that yet another basic fact on this case that you’ve gotten wrong.
Poor old shiteater m0nty. It’s desperately sad. It’s as though his brain is a reverse compass, hard wired to be 100% wrong about absolutely everything.
Has the world gone completely insane, or am I just getting old and grumpy?
Only the human bits have gone insane, the rest is going on as normal.
Yes – the human world has really lost the plot – on a species extinction trajectory, I fear.
Thank God for the natural world, BoN. We also have Maggies looking to nest & hassling the crows who have the same idea. Both groups covert a beautiful stand of huge Box Gums & Redgum adjacent to the home paddock & gardens. I am putting my money on the blasted crows, who are the local birdlife mafia. This immediately will create a range war here, as the crows are expert at raiding the nesting boxes in the chookpen. Meanwhile the same pair of plovers have arrived to lay their eggs in the middle of any paddock as they do every year. They will squawk at any cow who comes near, and I just wish they had chosen a paddock further away from earshot! Our annual wild ducks have been in the paddocks & on the dams for a few months now. A local fox has been stalking them in the long grass around the dam, but husband has just brush cut it to give the ducks a better chance to raise their chicks.
A pair of corellas has chosen a dead tree to perch in lately, so I assume that they may be thinking about a nest in the hollows of the trunk. Our red rumped parrots are year round visitors to our house lawns, as are a small group of galahs. I expect they nest in the nearby NPWS park. All in all, it is a wonderful pageant of birdlife which soothes the angst created by the madness of national and global politics.
“…Nearly 20 months later, D’Antuono’s office continues to announce new arrests….”
And yet, in one of the most camera infested cities in the US (Washington, DC), they have been unable to identify the person who left pipe bombs outside the DNC & RNC HQ’s on Jan 5/6 2021. Nor have they released a picture of what can be seen of his face, just shots that don’t show their face and made statements they had other angles.
So, someone literally waved in to the Capitol building by police officers and who didn’t commit any violence at all, is found, arrested and held in solitary confinement for 18+ months within days of the event, while the person who left the pipe bombs is still “unknown” and they haven’t even bothered to trace back through multiple cameras to see them come out of a car, bus stop, train station or building and therefore have a lead on who they are. Either ridiculously incompetent, or they simply don’t want to know/catch that person.
Given the other oddities about those pipe bombs, such as:
person used “untraceable” explosives;
person used “untraceable” timers;
timers were 1 hour mechanical timers that “failed” at 20 minutes to detonation;
bombs with one hour timers were placed on site the night before, meaning if the timers worked, they would have gone off in the pre-dawn early hours of Jan 6;
despite presumably being swept by secret service, and being with a couple of metres of the entrance to the buildings, the bombs were not found until 12:40 on Jan 6, exactly 20 mins before congress was to meet to ratify the election results;
it all looks like an “inside job” to either implicate Trump supporters in violent events in the case that the “insurrection” didn’t get up and no riot took place, or as a distraction to prevent congress from spending time on debating the various vote counts (you know – the ones where they just happened to stop counting overnight when Trump was ahead, and next day Biden was somehow ahead, and those just happened to be the significant “swing states” that either candidate would need to win the election).
Sure, there could be a perfectly reasonable explanation for all the above – but even the question is being suppressed in the MSM and social media, and no-one has presented such an explanation.
Weird, right? I mean, if the bombs were a real attempt to kill people and damage the DNC/RNC buildings, then that would have been by far the most violent episode of Jan 6. And if it wasn’t a set-up, then it was beyond lucky that they never went off and killed someone (maybe many, and maybe members of congress, the senate, the executive branch or public servants). But… <crickets>
Indeed Tim. If you can’t get a “101 fact” right about the Trump “case,” you have no hope of understanding anything further.
The GSA is not the National Archives.
The evidence that he refused to give back stuff is the dozen-plus boxes carted out of Mar-A-Lago by the FBI.
As for you Lysander, yes I got one detail wrong. You lot get multiple details dead wrong in every post, like Tim N does here. Forgive me for not wailing and gnashing my teeth.
That is not how logic works.
Thanks Vicki.
‘A long time coming’: Unvaxxed Qld teachers to have pay docked
Queensland Education Minister Grace Grace said disciplinary action was always on the cards for the unvaccinated workers.
“Other states sacked their teachers, they took that drastic action,” she told reporters on Wednesday.
“That was always part of a disciplinary process. We decided not to go with that.”
AAP
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 10:41 am
Monty – Sure you aren’t thinking of Mordy Bromberg?
He seems the go to guy for such things.
Mordy is still a working judge. You need a superannuated old fart for this job.
He already meets the old fart criterion, retire him and he can get on the post judicial gravy train. He will love it.
Here you go Lysander:
Police tasked with investigating Labor MPs over the infamous red shirts rort were actively blocked from doing their jobs in a deliberate cover-up to help Daniel Andrews win the 2018 election, a force whistleblower has claimed.
In an explosive statement addressed to the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission, the whistleblower involved in the investigation has claimed senior police interfered with and obstructed their work.
The 29-page statement, written and witnessed in June, calls for a fresh probe into how the investigation was conducted.
The anti-corruption watchdog refused to comment on its status on Tuesday night.
The emergence of the document comes weeks after the Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass said there was no new evidence to warrant another criminal investigation into the red shirts rort or a referral to IBAC.
The whistleblower’s statement claims: “I have new information that the Victoria Police fraud squad investigation into the red shirts matter was interfered with, obstructed and prevented, by senior police high up in police command, from being conducted normally and properly.
“It may also have involved other people outside Victoria Police command”.
The Labor rort saw almost $388,000 in taxpayers’ money spent on part-paying electorate staff to campaign for the 2014 election.
Almost two dozen MPs, including several ministers, were embroiled in the scandal, with Mr Andrews agreeing to pay the money back.
Former minister Adem Somyurek has testified Mr Andrews said “do you want to win an election or not?” when concerns were first raised about the scam.
Victoria Police launched an investigation after the Herald Sun uncovered the rort, but no charges were laid.
A bid to reopen the police investigation earlier this year was rejected because of a lack of new information.
Last November, it was revealed detectives were prevented from arresting MPs over the rort. The police whistleblower was directly involved in the 2018 investigation, arrest of suspects and subsequent interviews.
“The investigators in this case did have a lawful power of arrest, to arrest the suspect Labor MPs, notwithstanding that the suspects had declined to be interviewed,” the statement said. “It was the same power the investigators had used to arrest the 17 Labor volunteers and staffers. For some strange reason the Labor MPs in this investigation were not arrested.”
The whistleblower also claimed detectives were refused permission by police command from obtaining phone records and other computer data relating to MPs.
“The refusal by police command to allow the fraud squad investigators to search thoroughly and gather all of the available evidence, in order to do their job fairly, properly and without fear or favour is very unusual and suspicious,” the whistleblower said.
“I believe that the police investigation and the decision on whether to charge the Labor MPs were intentionally delayed until after the election in November 2018 for political reasons. It is indicative that there probably was political interference in the criminal investigation.”
The statement further claims fraud detectives were frustrated by the decision that no MPs should be questioned.
“The Labor MP suspects should have been arrested and questioned by police, even if they had declined to come in to be interviewed,” the complaint said.
“The suspect Labor MPs were inexplicably shielded and given favourable treatment by senior police for, as yet, undetermined reasons, from being arrested, questioned, possibly charged and even convicted.”
An IBAC spokesman said: “As a matter of practice, IBAC does not comment on whether it has a complaint or investigation before it”.
Senior government minister Lily D’Ambrosio has denied claims senior police interfered with the red shirts investigation.
Speaking to the media on Wednesday, Ms D’Ambrosio said there was no reason for IBAC to reopen the inquiry.
“I’m not here to entertain any claims…these matters have been turned inside out and they found nothing,” she said.
“(IBAC) concluded that the investigation is over and there’s nothing more to see here.
“The line has been drawn under these matters, not by myself, not by the government, but by independent, fierce champions of investigations.
“And as far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of it.”
Victoria Police were also contacted for comment.
A spokesperson for the state government said the matter had been thoroughly canvassed by the Ombudsman who had independently concluded there was nothing more to investigate.
“Matters IBAC chooses to examine are a matter for IBAC,” she said.
Johanna, a close rello was recently scheduled for a 12-hour mouth and jaw surgery to remove cancer. The explanation for the long timeframe involved delicacy of the surgery, explorations to find out how far the cancer had spread, and transplanting thigh fat and muscle into the mouth to replace what had been taken out.
m0nty-fa
He is a weirdo and should be shunned.
Takes one to know one.
Zyconoclastsays:
August 24, 2022 at 10:56 am
National Monkeypox Taskforce co-chair Nick Medland.
Pronouns: yuk/what.
Vicki,
Call it an overpayment of salary recovery.
They were paid for sitting on their arses not working for a term and a bit.
They are loosing 18/52 of one pay increment. A pay increment is between 3 and 5k.
I’m sure the teachers union will have their backs.
Just as the nurses and midwives union did for their members.
Cough.
They don’t even bother with a veil for their fascism any more.
Bernie’s Tweets
@BernieSpofforth
FRANCE – The Minister of the Interior has announced his aim to create 3000 “green police” positions, to combat climate change.
Or combat those who oppose the narrative?
Thanks Top Ender!
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 11:56 am
It is litigation by leak where the government prevents others (including the target) from seeing key representations made to the court while releasing selective facts to its own advantage.
Cry more, losers.
As befits a loyal member of the fascist left, m0nty-fa’s commitment to judicial fairness is non-existent.
Lol!!! VicPol – the most corrupt police force outside of North Korea.
“As befits a loyal member of the fascist left, m0nty-fa’s commitment to judicial fairness is non-existent.”
That was obvious during the Pell lynching.
This is quite true.
“This is not an uncommon penalty to result from a disciplinary process,” the spokesperson said.
A ‘disciplinary penalty’: so nothing actually connected to public health.
What a shitty country.
Distraught parents now face prosecution if they don’t accept gender transition of their vulnerable kids – as experts slam radical new law based on ‘ideology and falsehood’:
Incredible stuff that we were told a decade ago could never happen.
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:31 pm
The GSA is not the National Archives.
Did I say “National Archives”? The General Services Administration were doing the archiving for Trump. Poor old comprehension fail.
And in any event you’ve implicitly admitted that I’m right – Trump didn’t “steal” anything, it was packed by the government.
The evidence that he refused to give back stuff is the dozen-plus boxes carted out of Mar-A-Lago by the FBI.
Poor old shiteater. So if someone burgles your house, that will be “evidence” that you refused to give the burglar your possessions. Poor old logic fail.
[Nor is there anything to refute his claim that he’d declassified it all anyway.]
That is not how logic works.
Poor old shiteater. The testimony of a defendant is “evidence”. It’s perfectly possible (though admittedly not mandatory) for a factual finding to be made solely on the basis of that evidence, especially in the absence of evidence to the contrary. I’m not saying that will necessarily happen in whatever kangaroo court proceedings Trump is dragged through, but that’s the way things operate in real Courts.
Poor old fact and logic fail. It’s desperately sad.
Lysandersays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:30 pm
Poor old shiteater m0nty. It’s desperately sad. It’s as though his brain is a reverse compass, hard wired to be 100% wrong about absolutely everything.
Indeed Tim. If you can’t get a “101 fact” right about the Trump “case,” you have no hope of understanding anything further.
m0nty-fa couldn’t get a “101 fact” correct in a first year economics exam.
I rest my case.
I quite like the commbank app, it will scan an invoice that has bpay and set up the payment for you, so you don’t have to enter the ridiculously long number.
Knuckle Dragger you may, or may not be interested in today’s Hun which features this from Giiillllonn McLaughlin:
“Dear football, I love you. I love how you make my heart sing…and my phone ring…all the time.
People ringing me to tell me I’ve ruined the game and they’ll never – ever – again. People ringing to ask for tickets. Often both happening in the same call.
I love how strong footy is, surviving the constant meddling of administrators…the rule changes – the 6-6-6 rule, the stand rule, the protected area, the 50 and 4000 times the bump has been declared dead.
Why, the game has even survived Meatloaf… surely the greatest test of anywhere in sport.
I love how football improves you beyond the game itself.”
And on it goes for a page. He calls Martin Pakula ‘beloved’. FMD ?
Abuse victim families can sue church
By AAP Newswire – Aug 24, 2022
The families of child abuse victims can sue the Catholic Church, a Victorian court has ruled in a matter brought by the father of a deceased choirboy.
…
The Catholic Church argued the man should not have been permitted to sue because he was not the direct victim of Cardinal Pell’s alleged sexual abuse.
However, Justice Michael McDonald on Wednesday ruled the laws can extend to secondary victims.
dover0beachsays:
August 24, 2022 at 12:52 pm
Distraught parents now face prosecution if they don’t accept gender transition of their vulnerable kids – as experts slam radical new law based on ‘ideology and falsehood’:
The Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission has been tasked with policing the Act.
The EEO&HRC might like to check with the High Court. It has previously found that only formal judicial bodies can impose penalties.
like when we were told that universal surveillance was to protect us from islamic terrorists and we had nothing to fear. Now of course wrongthink is a the new terrorism and surveillance has been weaponized against political opponents. we are a step ahead of venezualisation and now challenging russia for the mafia state premiership. wait till digital currency comes in, nothing to fear … if you don’t engage in wrongthink.
Just, fucking sick.
Attended a gay party (orgy) and got the chimp pox.
It could literally happen to anyone.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-24/warning-from-australian-with-monkeypox-in-germany/101340226
Hardly a surprising finding but the get-Pell brigade will yield no fruit as I firmly believe the (lower bar of) evidence still can’t be met.
Might be that mutilated children grow up to be mutilated adults who cannot reproduce. Would please gaia. Now, if only marriage was limited to same sex couples, that, too, would please gaia. Why stop there, though.
I think the journalist has “mis-spoken”.
VicPol is, in fact, tasked with “policing” the Act.
Will be interesting if any cases make it to prosecution.
Children can inform on their parents, btw.
If they were archiving then they would have sent the boxes to the National Archives, not to Mar-A-Lago.
Trump did not own the contents of the boxes.
Yeah, they are really going with “actually King Donald said the stuff is mine and never told anyone or wrote it down, so it’s his, end case”. Because his legal team consists of three experts on contesting traffic tickets, or something.
What happened to L. Lin Wood and Sidney Powell? You know, the geniuses who lost about 60 cases for Trump? I guess they were indisposed.
a Victorian court has ruled
ie, Beelzebub has spoken
However, Justice Michael McDonald on Wednesday ruled the laws can extend to secondary victims.
Leaving the “Voice” in the hands of these interpretive judicial officers is naturally a safe bet.
“…violation of the Espionage Act, Trump might get charged and convicted?”
Even if they can show that Biden re-classified documents, and so therefore Trump shouldn’t have them, in order to get a conviction for espionage, they need to show intent (read the act) – and if he took them when he had de-classified them, and it’s only Biden re-classifying them that makes it illegal, then intent would be hard to show. Even more so when they (the FBI) were there a few months ago and were told Trump was happy to cooperate – in fact, Trump was just doing what Clinton, Bush and Obama had done and are still doing. That is: claim the documents are private (as they can under the Presidential Records Act) or claim “executive privilege” on them. There has apparently been no negotiation in regards to those two claims, as precedent decrees there should be prior to a search warrant.
Just admit it M0nty – as the Dems should – they either went on a fishing expedition to see what they could get on a ridiculously wide (maybe even illegal under constitution) search warrant, or they wanted the “dirt” that Trump had on the FBI and DoJ re: Russia collusion investigation and that he de-classified, and they will keep hiding it as long as they can so that they don’t have to face the music for their mal/mis-feasance and blatant partisanship.
Only male anyones.
Female anyones don’t.
Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin apologises for topless influencers photographed in her official office (Sky News, 24 Aug)
Party girls! Maybe someone could ask Brittany about having messy episodes in the offices of Ministers.
Well, here’s a completely “off the planet” conversation going on in dark corners of the web:
Aquariumgate: Google map searches for aquariums reveal locations of places that are meant to have aquariums but are just typical houses. However, each location has a star symbol out front, an RV/Camper or covered truck, no discernable signs of use.
High concentration in Austin, Texas.
(And no, don’t bother googling aquariumgate because they say it doesn’t exist).
Kneel, the case does not turn on whether the documents were classified or not. That they were concerned with national security is enough.
[Did I say “National Archives”? The General Services Administration were doing the archiving for Trump.]
If they were archiving then they would have sent the boxes to the National Archives, not to Mar-A-Lago.
Poor old shiteater, still can’t get it. “Archiving” isn’t synonymous with “National Archiving”. Schools, businesses, churches etc. etc. have “archives”.
And I note you aren’t even trying to deny what an own goal you scored there, admitting that the government packed the boxes.
[So if someone burgles your house, that will be “evidence” that you refused to give the burglar your possessions.]
Trump did not own the contents of the boxes.
m0nty, you already have All Time Legend status in the World Missing the Point Hall of Fame. There’s no need to keep striving.
The point is that the mere fact someone takes something without permission of the person in possession of it is not “evidence” that the person in possession had previously refused to hand it over.
(And note that in this case Trump’s lawyers did permit the boxes to be taken upon being shown a valid warrant, so the circumstances of the raid don’t evidence any refusal.)
Yeah, they are really going with “actually King Donald said the stuff is mine and never told anyone or wrote it down, so it’s his, end case”.
m0nty, the World Missing the Point Hall of Fame doesn’t have any accolade higher than All Time Legend status. You can ease up.
Trump’s claim about the executive order has nothing to do with who “owns” the documents. I’m not sure whether Trump has ever made any claim about that. He has certainly asserted that there was nothing wrong with them being in his custody at Mar A Lago. But the “executive order” issue is nothing to do with that.
The “executive order” claim is about the declassification of the documents. You’d know if you’d done any basic research on the issue that there’s no Constitutional requirement for an executive order to be in any particular form, or even to be in writing, though it’s been customary for a long time for them to be in writing and recorded on a register. Given the “progressives’” incessant yammering about Trump’s supposed disregard for rules and procedures it’s amusing to see them now insisting that it’s impossible that Trump gave the order in an informal way.
And, again, poor old comprehension fail, I expressly said that it’s not mandatory for a Court to accept Trump’s testimony on the point, so your grandstanding about that is further proof of your mental defects.
The ABC article uses the personal pronoun ‘they’ rather than ‘he’ when referring to Mr. Boles.
Cronkite, we’re talking proportions. You’ve appear to have taken stupid pills in the past couple of weeks. I’m worried about you.
LOL that you are still claiming after all this time that there was a legitimate “archiving” function at work here.
There was a previous handover of documents including about 150 classified ones, yet the FBI found another big load of documents when they raided including another 150 or so classified ones.
And no, Trump’s lawyers did not have the power to “permit” the boxes to be taken. The Feds had the power to take them regardless, and did not ask.
You are spectacularly bad at this stuff, Tim N. Every post of yours contains multiple errors of fact. You have no idea what you are talking about.
which documents mUnty?
Apropos the new Vic law re obliging gender-affirmation, keep in mind the following and similar stories, ‘Absolutely devastating’: woman sues psychiatrist over gender transition:
Everyone involved in this exploitative racket should be deregistered, sued, and sent into exile.
”
That is not how logic works.”
That’s how the law works – the President is the ultimate authority in what is classified and what is not. He does not need to follow ANY procedures, although as with everything in politics, it’s probably a good idea to keep some sort of official record of it, if it might bite you in the nether regions later on.
According to Kash Patel, who was not only a Federal Prosecutor in the DoJ, but also assisted Devin Nunes in his investigation into Russia-gate, all the President needs to do is say “This is now declassified” and viola, it is. And there is written proof that Trump declassified Russia-gate info (on a .gov website, no less!), so if he has documents marked “classified” related to that kerfuffle (as he most likely did), then they are not evidence of any wrong-doing.
But just watch – the FBI/DoJ won’t release all of the docs, not even descriptions of them. They’ll be “under active investigation” and releasing may “prejudice the investigation” or “threaten the safety of witnesses”. Unless a judge forces them to do it, and they will fight it all the way to the Supreme Court if any of them try. I would imagine that after the FISA court issues the FBI had in their warrants against Trump (hiding exculpatory information and so on), and the fact that the FBI did nothing to stop the clearly illegal protests outside supreme court justice’s homes that ended up in a charge of attempted murder for one of them, not too many judges would be prepared to take the FBI at their word. The FBI might be able to put it off until the mid-terms, but I doubt they’ll be able to put it off until 2024.
Homo parties are fine, however hetro, male only parties are bad apparently. The West Australian recently got its nickers in a knot for over a week, because McClown attended a male only party where expensive wine was imbibed.
As much as I hate the tyrannical git, getting on the wallop with his mates is one of his few redeeming features. Pearl Clutchers at the West disagree.
“…Yeah, they are really going with “actually King Donald said the stuff is mine and never told anyone or wrote it down, so it’s his, end case””
If they’re not, then they should – because that is settled case law, and Trump would win on that argument. The DoJ itself made just such an argument when someone tried to FOI some Clinton recordings, the court agreed, and it was never appealed.
Oops…
After multiple premature ejaculations during 2017 1nd 2108, which seem to have rendered m0nty-fa temporarily impotent for much of 2021, he is back at it again. Careful, m0nty-fa, with advancing age comes longer recovery times. Pace yourself.
Comment, over on the Oz.
That seems a bit light to me.
Bar Beach Swimmer:
How is this relevant? What “rules” were broken?
Yes, the PM generally asks for the relevant minister’s resignation. However, the political price is ultimately paid by the governing party or by the PM. Most voters generally don’t care who the minister is of whatever department.
I don’t disagree; it’s a ridiculous, yet entirely typical Scott Morrison own-goal. He should never have done what he did in secret. He could have made the argument to the public that the extraordinary measures he was taking were necessary in the circumstances. If he didn’t think this argument would fly with the public, he shouldn’t have done it. However, this was a political miscalculation and we have the benefit of observing it all in hindsight. Morrison didn’t exercise dictatorial powers when he held these positions and it really does seem as though he acted as he did for the reasons he stated.
It’s just not that big of a deal – particularly so in hindsight – yet it’s being made out to be the crime of the century. The problem I have with this is it excessively demonises Scott Morrison. I don’t really give a rat’s about Morro or his legacy or any of that garbage. He was a mediocre to sub-mediocre PM and I’m glad he’s gone. The parliamentary Liberal Party was fucked under his leadership – he didn’t make it that way, but he didn’t fix it, either. And it’s still a giant pile of dogshit in desperate need of several flushes (and not the water saving half-flushes, either) if it’s to become electable again, let alone become something approximating a credible conservative alternative to the ALP.
The monster Morrison’s being made into will allow those same busted-arse Liberal Party weathervanes on the opposition benches to claim all of the party’s problems were the fault of Morrison. And they could well get away with it! Now that he’s gone, everything’s better, the party’s changed, they’ve rediscovered their values and principles blah blah blah…and they will likely be spared the purge they deserve. Hell, they might accidentally find themselves back in office sooner than we think when the wheels inevitably fall off the ALP shitshow.
Hanging the blame for the sucky Morrison government on Morrison alone will help ensure that when the LNP returns to the government benches, it’ll be the same dim-witted, mediocre, pseudo-conservative hacks pushing and following and pushing and following the electorate ever leftward. This non-event is a lame Australian version of the Jan 6 ‘insurrection’. The difference is, however, that the reactions of several Republican politicians to this exposed the RINOs and they’re being mercilessly culled. Here, the LP is full of Liz Cheneys and Adam Kinzingers, and their positions are now strengthened as a result.
According to extant documents, AFAIK, the first time Trump mentioned this standing order to declassify all documents he took was after he stopped being president. He doesn’t get to do it retrospectively.
The Paul Green suicide – did he have a history of depression or anything like that? I see some suggestions he had CTE and perhaps this is what caused him to do it, but CTE doesn’t make someone kill themselves seemingly out of the blue. There would have been a whole load of symptoms that led up to the suicide, and I don’t see how he could have maintained a stable public profile, as he apparently did, in such circumstances. It all seems more than a bit weird.
“…the case does not turn on whether the documents were classified or not. That they were concerned with national security is enough.”
M0nty, they were secured to the satisfaction of the FBI itself several months ago, and were being kept in the home of a living ex-president, and therefore there was a secret service presence on site at all times. Plus DJT’s own personal security for that site, which is apparently quite extensive on it’s own.
Seems safe enough to me.
As far as I know, under those circumstances you’d need to show evidence of intent (or actual action) to expose such documents to “undesirable actors” be charged with anything – and no-one has suggested anything of the sort, at least not with any evidence of it, no matter how flimsy. That is public knowledge to date, at any rate.
And Trump, like all ex-presidents, is allowed reasonable time to determine what is either his own private information or what falls under executive privilege providing that he takes reasonable steps to protect said information prior to such determination – and as above, Trump did.
That said, we do not (yet) have the “reasonable cause” given to the court to justify the search warrant – that is, the affidavit. It’s unlikely we’ll see the full, unredacted document any time soon. And without that, none of us can really say.
The warrant appears to me to be somewhat dubious in terms of the fourth amendment – every document from Jan 21, 2017 to Jan 20 2021 (Trumps full term in office!) plus any documents “nearby” to those documents. That’s really pushing the limits – if not breaking them – on the specificity required under that amendment. How near is “near”? Why are all documents “together with” the defined documents allowed to be taken, such as Trumps passport? Really, his passport? What possible reason could they have to take that? How can they get a warrant to take the lot, and then only give it back later if they deem it not relevant? Seems too broad a brush for the 4th to not be broken. But hey, I’m no lawyer…
m0ntysays:
August 24, 2022 at 1:42 pm
…LOL that you are still claiming after all this time that there was a legitimate “archiving” function at work here.
Poor old shiteater. Every outgoing President takes documents from the White House when they leave office, for their personal records i.e. “archives”. That’s what Trump did. Legitimacy is a different issue, though as has been repeatedly explained to you the raid hasn’t resulted in any evident case for any wrongdoing by Trump. Your spectacular self-beclownment and own goal of admitting that the government packed the boxes isn’t palliated by your further wrongology.
There was a previous handover of documents including about 150 classified ones, yet the FBI found another big load of documents when they raided including another 150 or so classified ones.
Poor old shiteater. Do try to keep up. It’s been explained to you already, repeatedly, why you may end up suffering another failed erection over this assertion that any of the seized documents were “classified”.
And no, Trump’s lawyers did not have the power to “permit” the boxes to be taken. The Feds had the power to take them regardless, and did not ask.
m0nty, the World Missing the Point Hall of Fame has already bestowed its highest accolade on you. Give it a rest. You’ve beclowned yourself with your idiotic assertion that someone grabbing something is “evidence” that the previous possessor must have previously refused to hand it over. Your self-beclownment isn’t palliated by this further foray into wrongology.
But, even as a total irrelevancy, your assertion is half-witted. If a 16 stone bruiser snatches a 6 stone girl’s handbag the girl can resist (futilely probably) or “permit” it to happen. (And the snatching isn’t “evidence” of a previous refusal to hand it over.) Even if as it turns out Trump and his lawyers had no power to stop the raid they could have tried. Trump’s lawyers could easily have applied for an interim injunction to prevent the boxes being taken till the validity of the warrant was ruled on judicially. They may well not have got it but they could have asked (and it’s not at all improbable that a judge would at least grant a very temporary order till the FBI showed the judge the warrant). They didn’t do that. They thus “permitted” the boxes to be taken.
“It’s just not that big of a deal – particularly so in hindsight – yet it’s being made out to be the crime of the century. The problem I have with this is it excessively demonises Scott Morrison. I don’t really give a rat’s about Morro or his legacy or any of that garbage. He was a mediocre to sub-mediocre PM and I’m glad he’s gone. The parliamentary Liberal Party was fucked under his leadership – he didn’t make it that way, but he didn’t fix it, either. And it’s still a giant pile of dogshit in desperate need of several flushes (and not the water saving half-flushes, either) if it’s to become electable again, let alone become something approximating a credible conservative alternative to the ALP.”
Great comment OCO.
“According to extant documents, AFAIK, the first time Trump mentioned this standing order to declassify all documents he took was after he stopped being president. He doesn’t get to do it retrospectively.”
He doesn’t need to document it – except to cover his arse if it ever comes up.
And even if there is no documentation of it, he may have several witnesses prepared to testify that he did indeed give such a standing order, and that’s all he needs. You think people like Steve Banon, Mike Flynn and Kash Patel for example, wouldn’t testify to it if they did hear such a thing?
As I said, if the so-called “classified” documents (in reality, documents marked as classified, which is not the same thing!) are about the Russia-gate shit-fight, then there most certainly is an existant document on that!
Jesse Watters on previous Presidents and their “document” acquisitions!
Secret Essendon fan, I believe.
As an aside, Shane Tuck and Danny Frawley both went the same way – with Frawley still retaining a considerable public life and profile, frequent TV appearances and the like. There are more, and certainly in other sports, but repeated significant head knocks seem to tip you in that direction.
Almost every smallish to mid-size country town will have one former player, renowned for running through brick walls etc on the field who has become the town no-hoper, barely functioning and predisposed to drown in grog and/or prescription drugs. Sometimes, they go the same way.
The shittiest, believe me.
Hahaha Jesse Watters….
You think Hillary was bad with highly classified data, bleach and hammers, Bill lost the codes to the USA’s nuclear fucking weapons!
And what’s worse, he knew and didn’t tell anyone.
Oh yeah, his arse is wiiiiide open.
Also LOL that Bannon, Flynn and Patel would be credible witnesses. I’m sure Al Capone thought that he’d get off based on the say-so of Three-Fingers McGee and Rick “Bubsy” Bambino.
That is fair, but we’re not really talking about that. Also, if Trump declassified those Russia documents and they exonerated him then why didn’t he publish them?
Dylan Voller still entertains!
Troubled high-profile Don Dale youth detention centre detainee Dylan Voller will fight charges of drug possession and common assault on mental health grounds.
The 25-year-old was due to face Sydney’s Downing Centre Local Court on Wednesday where he was set to be sentenced for drug possession.
He pleaded guilty to the charge of drug possession in May but failed to turn up to court on Wednesday, where his lawyer Jane Sanders told the court Mr Voller will be fighting the charge on a mental health basis.
Ms Sanders told the court the former detainee will also fight the domestic violence common assault charge on the same basis, with Mr Voller due to undergo a psych assessment in the coming weeks.
Magistrate Lisa Stapleton set the mental health application down for October 19.
The 25-year-old will also seek to have an AVO revoked on the same date.
According to court documents, Mr Voller was caught with marijuana during a meeting in his lawyer’s office.
He came to the attention of police after he began to act aggressively at the O’Brien solicitors office in Sydney’s CBD.
Court documents reveal he had been holding scissors when he confronted police who were called to the office, as the door to the elevator they arrived in opened up.
Police said Voller held the scissors to his throat and repeatedly told officers to pull out their guns.
“Shoot me,” he said.
“Shoot me or I’ll run at youse.”
Court documents state police pulled out a taser, but did not need to use it after officers successfully calmed Voller down.
“I’ve got one stick of marijuana,” he later told officers, who charged Voller with one count of possess prohibited drug.
The stick weighed 0.83 grams and Voller pleaded guilty in May.
In April he was charged with assaulting a woman, with the court previously hearing Mr Voller was struggling with mental ill health at the time.
Voller attracted national media attention in 2016 after footage of him being restrained at the Don Dale centre in the NT aired on the ABC and triggered a Royal Commission into the abuse of children in detention.
In an opinion piece published by SBS in November 2021, Voller said he did not “want to just be known as the boy in a restraint chair”.
“I want to be known as a young man, a survivor, that broke out of a system like that and continues to fight,” he said.
NT News
Montard, “AFAIK?” (as far as I know)
Seriously.
What do you know? Here’s a precis:
What a timeline.
Gilas, your views on the future of space travel are what Sir Humphrey would call ‘courageous’. In the late fifties, iirc, Sir Harold Spencer-Jones, the astronomer royal, declared that man would never go into space. Just over a decade later, we had got men on the moon.
I once finished a lecture with the statement:
“I do not know if this theory is true, but if this idea does not make your heart dance and your soul sing, then you are spiritually dead and it would be a kindness to shoot you and put you out of your misery. See me after the lecture.”
According to extant documents, AFAIK, the first time Trump mentioned this standing order to declassify all documents he took was after he stopped being president. He doesn’t get to do it retrospectively.
m0nty-fa leaps from “according to extant documents” to babbling about retrospectivity. Shock horror, fascist, not all documents on the matter are public, but the declassification of the Crossfire Hurricane documents is.
I’m looking forward to President DeSantis ordering the DoJ to go plant shit on Biden.
Oh wait, they don’t have to plant it!
Also, if Trump declassified those Russia documents and they exonerated him then why didn’t he publish them?
He’s more cunning than you, m0nty-fa. He is holding them until some DemonRat tries the whole thing on, then he will produce the evidence, and the DemonRat will be shown, like all other DemonRats, to be a complete fool.
Prove that I am wrong.
Bit sad the NT News didn’t call him an “aspiring rapper” though.
Gay rights activist Richard Inman in interview for documentary “The Homosexual” (1966), WTVJ/Miami. Quoted from PBS documentary “Stonewall Uprising”. Inman says that homosexuals do not want gay / same-sex marriage or to adopt children.
80 sec video
Trump was president.
He had access to whatever he wanted and was entitled to retain whatever he wanted to afterwards, as long as it was appropriately secured.
As per over 200 years of precedent.
A precedent that is only now put aside because of the unbelievable level of hysteria created around a President who for the first time put the interests of the nation a whole over the interests of a small coterie of elites running the institutions.
A break in precedence that was not even considered for such shifty pricks as Tricky Dick or Horn Dog Clinton.
My kinda guy.
(Get the irony and move on!)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news..
Seriously, truly bad news for JF. Poor bastard.
Oropharyngeal squamous cell cancer, unless completely excised – highly unlikely in this case – is a horrible way to die, even in the absence of local lymphatic metastatic spread.
Remember Cats, this, not lung cancer, is the worst consequence of smoking for an individual.
Just imagine having 26 (!!) surgeons/assistants digging around in one’s mouth over a dozen hours. Replacing dense, complicated neurovascular bundles, delicate muscle and bone with unrelated, denervated and hypo-vascular allogeneic tissue.
All to produce an almost uniformly terrible cosmetic result, chronic opioid-dependent lancinating pain, awful and constant smell from Staph. Mutans overgrowth and absence of salivary output, the need for intermittent (at least) tube feeding and the inexorably severe cachexia (weight loss).
I’ve looked after some of these victims in the palliative setting, there always were three constants: the worst smell in the hospital setting (doors were kept closed, no deodorant was enough), the high doses of opioids and the skeletal appearance. Death is a relief.
Worse than terminal pancreatic cancer.
Unfortuntely, no amount of optimistic, euphemistic dissembling by JF’s family will change this.
The Paul Green suicide – did he have a history of depression or anything like that?
It turns out he did have a history of depression but only a handful of people knew about it.
Vicki,
Call it an overpayment of salary recovery.
They were paid for sitting on their arses not working for a term and a bit.
They are loosing 18/52 of one pay increment. A pay increment is between 3 and 5k.
Diogenes, I know that everyone likes to “teacher bash” & there are plenty of reasons for this pastime – but this is not one of the, in my humble opinion.
My understanding is that they were prevented from attending the workplace because they were unvaccinated – not because they didn’t want to work, or refused to work.
That is so incredibly sad, Gilas. Poor man.
Garrison’s cartoon is all you need to conclude there is no justice:
Dotsays:
August 24, 2022 at 2:36 pm
This is a shitty country!
The shittiest, believe me.
…
“We’re going to shit so much that you’re going to be sick and tired. You’re going to say, ‘Please, please, Mr. President, we’re sick and tired of shitting. Please let us have at least one stoppage. It’s no longer exciting to shit.’ And I’m going to say, ‘No way, we’re going to keep shitting, and I don’t care if you like it or not.’”
Welcome
I think I have mentioned before that many GPs and other medical professionals have been appalled at the vaccine mandates and other departures from normal protocols in medicine and have formed a new association of medical professionals: AMPS – Australian Medical Professionals’ Society. They are holding their first conference in Melbourne on 10 September. It will also be able to be accessed via Zoom. Further information at : CIS Event Management
P O Box 7049
Richmond VIC 3121
This is an excerpt from their info email:
Welcome to the Reclaiming Medicine
Conference 2022
In the public health response to the pandemic a lot of measures were instituted in the name of medicine. We had unprecedented lockdowns, closure of businesses, separation of family and friends, discrimination, economic reprisal for personal health decisions, as well as the unprecedented police response to peaceful protests to name a few.
All this was done in the name of the medical profession. Many medical professionals felt they were silenced into adhering to an official narrative at the cost of their long established codes of conduct.
In the name of medicine, and towards maintaining a uniform official narrative, we saw unprecedented censorship of scientific debate and respectful discourse from social media providers.
In the name of medicine, many doctors who are exemplary physicians, often the top scientists in their field, have found themselves silenced, threatened with professional reprisal from their own certification boards and regulatory authorities.
In the name of medicine, medical journals published articles stating that questioning a viable hypothesis was conspiracy theory.
In the name of medicine, there are measures which seek to give the WHO the ability to declare a Public Health Emergency of International Concern without the agreement of member states.
The newly formed Australian Medical Professionals Society (AMPS), stands for the primacy of doctor patient relationship, free from government overreach, so doctors are able to treat their patients according to the time honoured pillars of medical ethics of beneficence, non-maleficence, autonomy and justice.
Australian Health Professionals and Scientists have been actively discussing and contemplating the profound health measures undertaken within Australia over the last 2&1/2 years. AMPS believes the current range of medical, medicolegal and medicopolitical issues brought about by the pandemic requires a greater breadth of discussion.
Today’s conference, groundbreaking in that it is the first in Australia to address many of the issues publicly, is our effort to start the important conversations that we must have to RECLAIM Medicine to its foundational moral enterprise, which is secured by our integrity, and accountable to our patients, protecting them from harm.
As John Stuart Mill said:
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.“ —
We warmly invite you to join us on 10th September 2022 for the Reclaiming Medicine Conference 2022, either in person or virtually.
Venue
The in person conference will be held at the Amora Hotel Riverwalk Melbourne, 649 Bridge Road, Richmond Vic 3121.
Dates & Program
Saturday 10 September, 2022
To see the program in detail, please click on the following link: Reclaiming Medicine Conference 2022.
We look forward to seeing you in Melbourne in September 2022.
Kindest regards
Kara Thomas
Assistant State Secretary
AMPS – Australian Medical Professionals’ Society REGISTER NOW
Sorry the previous post was so chaotic re the formation of AMPS. Am using a very unfriendly device in trying to post this document.
Gilas I take it John Farnham was only operated on because of being high profile as another warning about the dangers of smoking or the surgeons getting more experience for more favourable patients. Otherwise I see no purpose operating given the prognosis. Mind you, where there’s life there’s hope.
Midazolam Matt is now campaigning to make Assisted Dying legal in the UK… You couldn’t make this up!
Fauci’s Biggest Crime
WSJ Op-ed: ‘No Legal Basis’ for Mar-a-Lago Search Warrant
Farnham trooferism is extremely dumb. Smoker gets cancer, news at 11.
A bit of advice to Cats and Kittah’s responding to mongty. Type slower or space the letters out so he can sound them out clearly. I know it sounds unreasonable but we are dealing with someone who has no knowledge of reason.
It can’t be legal. Aren’t we still supposed to have the right to “informed consent”???????
Its hard to overstate just how dodgy the latest round of “get Pell” is.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-24/catholic-church-george-pell-court-case-can-continue/101366566
The court action has been launched by the father of a Melbourne choirboy who has claimed he suffered “nervous shock” after learning of allegations Cardinal George Pell sexually assaulted his son more than two decades ago.
The choirboy died more than eight years ago from a heroin overdose, which his father claims was caused by the psychological impact of the alleged abuse.
He is now suing the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne and Cardinal Pell.
….
“I have concluded that the application of the Act to non-government organisations is not confined to claims founded on or arising from child abuse of the plaintiff,” Justice McDonald said.
Justice McDonald ordered the Catholic Church to pay the legal costs of the choirboy’s father.
A case so shit the high court overturned it unanimously is now being used to advance another case from a person who was not a victim of the original crime.
Instead a completely untestable allegation , there is literally nothing supporting the case which wasnt wrecked by the high Court, is to be allowed to proceed.
MAP OF THE DAY: Day-ahead electricity prices in Europe are eye-watering, with lots of countries setting record highs for today. Notable to see the Nordics close to €400 per MWh, and Germany at €600. Before 2020, anything above €75-100 was considered expensive|
Hope to see AMPS displace the AMA Vicki. Just about every day here in Canberra the AMA is running another flag up the pole contradicting themselves constantly. I sometimes wonder if they ever listen to themselves.
Iirc, his best mate said he’d wrestled with the black dog for the best part of 20 years.
Repeated knocks to the head wouldn’t have helped.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1562019059570556929
Hyperboloid Maker
@SrbskyRus
The Western reaction to Dasha Dugina’s murder has been uniformly ghoulish, degenerate, and vile to witness. Which was not surprising. What is surprising is the reaction of the big Ukrainian tg channels, which think this was a set-up by Azov or MI6 that won’t end well for Ukraine
Thanks for the clarification.
What was so bad about Symbian?
FM – How can a judge order the RCC to pay for the complainant’s case???
M0nty: “Also LOL that Bannon, Flynn and Patel would be credible witnesses.”
I’ll give you maybe Bannon could be a problem. But Flynn and Patel are both people with a long history of service and pretty good records – Flynn had that whole perjury-trap thing, but even the DoJ dropped that when the truth came out. Patel was a DoJ prosecutor and worked for Devin Nunes – as far as I know, never even hinted that he has been anything but honest and straight-forward.
In any case, these are ALL political “issues” about perceived honesty
If Trump files in Florida (where the “action” took place and where he lives), then he will get a very different type of hearing and response to if was tried in DC, where even Sussman got a “not-guilty” despite plain evidence he lied to the FBI (they had text messages from him!)
there is literally nothing supporting the case which wasnt wrecked by the high Court, is to be allowed to proceed.
Lots of lovely fees to be had by the maaates though.
Will gay teachers who refuse Monkeypox jab be docked of pay?
FM – How can a judge order the RCC to pay for the complainant’s case???
Because they didnt just roll over and start spraying money round?
They dared to say no and should be punished for it.
EXCLUSIVE: Trans prisoner who impregnated two inmates at women’s prison reveals she tried to remove her testicle with a RAZOR to ‘stop the pain’ after being mistreated and ‘misgendered’ at her new facility
RAF investigates ‘positive discrimination’
Air Vice Marshal Maria Byford said this week that she was “unashamed” of a policy that could see women and ethnic minorities effectively prioritised for roles over white males
“The families of child abuse victims can sue the Catholic Church, a Victorian court has ruled in a matter brought by the father of a deceased choirboy.
…
The Catholic Church argued the man should not have been permitted to sue because he was not the direct victim of Cardinal Pell’s alleged sexual abuse.
However, Justice Michael McDonald on Wednesday ruled the laws can extend to secondary victims.”
What secondary victim? What victim? There was NO alleged sexual abuse. Therefore there was no victim and most certainly there was and is no “secondary victim”.
If you’ve impregnated someone while believing you’re a woman, then sorry honey, you’ve “misgendered” yourself.
And cutting off one of your testicles won’t make a scrap of difference.
It’s sad Monty. The very first audio file I ever heard was a few seconds of You’re the Voice someone laboriously made. It was on a C64 and was a marvel. Mr Farnham has done well, and I’m sorry he’s unlikely to sing again after this.
Hope to see AMPS displace the AMA Vicki. Just about every day here in Canberra the AMA is running another flag up the pole contradicting themselves constantly. I sometimes wonder if they ever listen to themselves.
Me too, GreyRanga. Any organisation that deregisters GPs for fulfilling their Hippocratic Oath is not an organisation that should have any power. And they have done just that – as well as maintaining continual surveillance on practitioners.
I know one of the convenors of the AMPS and he is more qualified to assess the “vaccine” RCTs than any of the chief medical officers who have been advising the pollies. He can hardly believe the violation of most protocols for the certification of new vaccines and drugs in respect to the Covid “vaccines”.
Thanks FM.
Cassie – I have no idea how a Victorian judge could allow a case to go forward where there could be no secondary victim as there was no primary victim.
Oh, Victoria… .got it.
Well.. if I may…
I didn’t invent Space to be as unimaginably, hugely big as it is, planets to be as inhospitable to life as they are, and Special Relativity to be as restrictive as it is.
Just do the numbers, remembering that humans need gravity, oxygen and lots(!) of ATP to ADP conversions to survive for just a few decades, let alone what they’ll need for the several dozen millennia needed to travel to Proxima Centauri in a zero gravity environment. Forget going beyond that.
Physics and human physiology are not your friends here.
Imagination, $$$$, advances in materials science and computing power can only do so much.
Just getting a spaceship to survive travel through the Oort cloud undamaged will be an unimaginable achievement.
Example: the Voyager crafts, launched in the late 1970s, quite small, travel essentially through gravitational slinging along the ecliptic, a highly energy-efficient method of movement.. in 44+years, they have reached a distance of less than 160 Astronomical Units (Distance Sun-Earth = 1 AU), even assuming a constant velocity (thus breaching General Relativity), it would take 74, 000 years for these to reach our closest star… unmanned and at a temperature of a few Kelvins above Absolute Zero.
Not quite the same logistic challenge as going to the Moon.
And as for colonies on Mars.. maybe after nuclear fusion goes mainstream… and I’ve been reading about the promise of Tokamaks since I was a kid. Cancer will be cured first.
Imagination makes one feel good, but in the end, only results matter. It is no substitute for hard, cold reality.. and there’s nothing colder than Deep Space.
Thank you Gilas.
My rello chose quality of remaining life over the horrible scenario you painted.
“I have concluded that the application of the Act to non-government organisations is not confined to claims founded on or arising from child abuse of the plaintiff,” Justice McDonald said.
Justice McDonald ordered the Catholic Church to pay the legal costs of the choirboy’s father.
He did not make orders against Cardinal Pell, who he said played “no active role” in the most recent hearing.
ABC Posted 2h ago2 hours ago, updated 48m ago
Gilas
I’ve been hearing (for probably well over a decade now) as mankind marvels at itself, that some contraption to make space travel to stars is “just around the corner.”
It’s funding lots of research but it’s not actually going anywhere (nor will it ever).
Like climate science, with astronomy and physics – follow the money.
Tell me about it, Roger. It’s freezing in southern Victoria as well.
I haven’t stopped shivering since June and now that the price of electricity is going through the roof, there’s no relief in sight until December-January as spring down here is cold cold cold.
On the plus side, good luck to the AFL’s female footballers beginning their season this week and finishing it before the heat starts over Christmas-New Year.
Just don’t try to play like boys, girls. You can’t. Enjoy our game and remember: trying to play recklessly like boys will just get you injured.
Gilas
We also need to factor the potential amalgamation of man and machines and this is quite possible over the next 100 years. Also, why should we assume that humans will be the space travelers instead of machines originating from man?
3rd time proves it – have been trying to link with no joy.
Oh Come On:
the Paul Green suicide was apparently preceded by a very long and secret battle with depression. The final straw was probably his current job insecurity.
Reference – The Courier Mail, Aug 22.
Where’s smell emanate from?
They are being punished for failing to follow a lawful direction*
As a Qld teacher I have the right to bash as much as I like, and today my staffroom were livid that this was the only consequence.
*Whether it is/was lawful/ethical is another discussion.
What about wormholes?
I thought we were done insulting Monty for the day?
Wish we could create one and stick, Fatboy in a worm hole with a one way ticket. It would have to be extra, extra, large though.
Indeed, a wise decision.. it must have been a good oncologist advising him.
I mentioned pancreatic cancer, 1-year survival of about 5%.
The only (rarely) curative surgery for this disease is a pancreatico-duodenectomy, with local lymph node dissection (Modified Whipple’s Procedure), it produces a patient that looks the same as an untreated one, but who lives for years in a miserable, drugs and enzyme-replacement fog.
A man-made tragedy.
opening a book
… how long before mUnty has to punch himself?
No biggie as he’s married to a leading light of the Demonic party. He’ll receive an apology from the judge for being put this horrid ordeal.
“Wish we could create one and stick, Fatboy in a worm hole with a one way ticket. It would have to be extra, extra, large though.”
No, not a wormhole because that means he’d come out the other side, better he be sucked into a blackhole…kaput.
A doc pal once told me that the Wipple has the highest rate of death while on the cutting table. Dunno if it’s true.
But whatever, just don’t get wippled.
I seem to be suffering from nervous shock after learning that this case is allowed to proceed.
I wonder who to claim my significant damages from…
Without imagination, there are no possibilities. I can imagine
ways of human beans colonising the galaxy despite the difficulties you mention. You can’t, but that’s your natural grouchiness I daresay. Declaring that something is impossible because you can’t think of a way of doing it is exceedingly dubious and unconvincing.
Oh, and labs have produced lower temperatures than you get between the galaxies.
This is insanity.
Call me naïve but isn’t fentanyl just a pain killer? How the hell do you die from it?
In that case the court action should proceed against the allegers (or is that allegators?).
Dry oral mucosa (these people don’t produce enough saliva) and necrotic tumour recurrence.
The oropharyngeal area pullulates with bacteria, and exhalation magnifies the problem.
Even people with tumours protruding and exhuding through the abdominal wall are perfumed in comparison.
Talking about medic..
Since Sunday, the pooch has clocked up 2k in vet/medical bills and it doesn’t look like ending because he’s not eating and the vet suspects it could be pancreatitis, which means he could be in for another bout of hydration tomorrow. This means another 800 bucks. I’m about the pull the pin on the little bastard, but he’s so cute I’d feel like a murderer. Tough decision.
I’m not kidding, the vet (gal) is without a doubt the best looking doc/vet – whatever- in the southern hemisphere. I thought I’d mention it.
Perhaps they can fix “climate change” then 😛
And just remember DrB: A cynic is a realist who used to be an idealist. 😛
The flat earthers and moon landing deniers believe interstellar travel doesn’t happen “because van Allen belts”.
Okay. Do they understand the concept of radiation shielding?
Gilas.. dude, you’re scaring the shit out of me with this stuff. Stop. Don’t mention the wipple again for the evening please.
🙂
In that case the court action should proceed against the allegers (or is that allegators?).
Very good.
Sorry to hear about your dog JC.
Tragic stuff.
Handbag dogs aint worth the money.
Westerlies blowing all day here, Tom. Typical for late August in these parts.
Hasn’t got much above 10c but feels less than half that.
Our southern friends can’t imagine QLD getting this cold, but it’s not all tropical fruits & nuts (!) up here! 😀
As I read the HCA, the allegations against Cardinal Pell were untenable in light of the honesty of the opportunity witnesses and their incontrovertible evidence of alibi revealing the Cardinal’s innocence. Meanwhile, and although procedurally not germane to the exoneration, the HCA nevertheless held that the complainant’s evidence indicated fabrication and also further levels of untenable evidence. Thus the source of any trauma arising out of actual allegations of abuse – untrue, as they were – can only be attributable to the complainant J and the DPP, at least as far as I understand things. Alternatively, the person now suing the Catholic Archdiocese (and not J or anyone else) could be doing so on basis of the allegations having been unfounded and having caused trauma as the very result of having been unfounded. There never was any honest sense to the case.
Well.. not quite the same premise as human travel..
The problem of transferring individual human consciousness/personality/memory over onto a machine is even more unlikely, given the (complete lack of) progress so far.
AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) is still a dream and, as a premise, doesn’t go anywhere near attempting to solve this problem
Talking about wipple..
We had our niece (my in-law) around for dins the other evening as she’s just become a fully fledged general surgeon. She had a case that really rocked her psychologically. A middle aged woman had attempted suicide by ingesting Drano, but she didn’t die. Most of her insides are “dead” (dunno the exact medical term) and she was eventually sent to palliative care. According to the niece, she will live for however long with unbelievable pain.
Thanks Bern
He’s so cute because he’s such a numbskull. He spends his life on the terrace guarding against other dogs and then barking at them to mark his territory. Going for walks is a nightmare as he just wants to fight other dogs when on lead.
And today
“Not having new sexual partners while you have monkeypox is very important,” Grulich said. “After the lesions have healed, people should continue to use condoms for eight weeks because of some preliminary evidence that the virus might be in semen. That’s important and undisputed at the moment.”
Denial as a predictor of truth.
Google’s head of AI research , just the other week, reckoned that AI is very close to being self-aware and believes we’re 8 years away (2030) from full fledged sentience. It’s a claim.
Hillary & Chelsea have a show on Apple TV.
She’s not giving up hopes of running.
Seriously, Newsom will be the DNC candidate.
Actually, not close to sentience, but there.
A Google software engineer believes an AI has become sentient. If he’s right, how would we know?
Queensland’s qwerty’s?
There are programs smarter than m0nty. I know this is a low standard, but we’ve come a long way in the last five centuries. It may be coming to an end now, but making long term predictions about what can be accomplished is very short sighted.
There’s a fundamental fallacy in asserting that something is impossible because you cannot imagine a way to do it.
My nephews vet girlfriend is a pretty good looker too.
Cassie of Sydneysays:
August 24, 2022 at 4:22 pm
“The families of child abuse victims can sue the Catholic Church, a Victorian court has ruled in a matter brought by the father of a deceased choirboy.
…
The Catholic Church argued the man should not have been permitted to sue because he was not the direct victim of Cardinal Pell’s alleged sexual abuse.
However, Justice Michael McDonald on Wednesday ruled the laws can extend to secondary victims.”
What secondary victim? What victim? There was NO alleged sexual abuse. Therefore there was no victim and most certainly there was and is no “secondary victim”.
The left are in rut mode about this Judgment but it has nothing to do with whether the courts will entertain the specific case of suing an exonerated Pell. The case involved a particular point of whether secondary victims to a proven offence can sue for damages. It was already the case that for instance the parents of a person injured or killed by someone’s act could sue. The issue in this case was whether a unincorporated organisations such as the Catholic Church could be sued as a person could be. The Judgment in this case has no bearing on the merits of whether this person can in fact succeed in his claim against the church, merely that the church can face such a claim.
Imagination can only go so far. I can imagine an angel dancing on the head of a pin. It doesn’t mean it’s possible though.
Lysandersays:
August 24, 2022 at 5:08 pm
Call me naïve but isn’t fentanyl just a pain killer? How the hell do you die from it?
its in the opiate family.
Knocks out your ability to breathe
Theres a little factoid I didnt know about at the end of this explanation.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750022.html
DESCRIPTION: Fentanyl is a member of the class of drugs known as fentanyls, rapid-acting opioid (synthetic opiate) drugs that alleviate pain without causing loss of consciousness (analgesic). Fentanyl depresses central nervous system (CNS) and respiratory function. Exposure to fentanyl may be fatal. Fentanyl is estimated to be 80 times as potent as morphine and hundreds of times more potent than heroin. It is a drug of abuse. Fentanyl (and other opioids) could possibly be used as an incapacitating agent to impair a person’s ability to function. In October 2002, the Russian military reportedly used “a fentanyl derivative” against terrorists holding hostages in a Moscow theater; 127 of the hostages died. (It is unclear whether the gas used also included other chemical agent(s).) Fentanyl is odorless.
Narcan can restore breathing same as a heroin overdose.
Fentanyl is massively more powerful than heroin, which is why its so easy to smuggle around.
50 x as powerful = 50x less volume of the shit to move.
Logic failure. Think about it.
Roger, in the 1980s, I was living, working and studying in Darwin when my newspaper (The Age, then still an actual newspaper before it turned into a CCP-style communist propaganda rag) flew me to Urandangi in northwest Queensland to cover the Bicentennial’s Last Great Cattle Drive from Newcastle Waters NT to Longreach.
In my swag with the drovers in Urangdangi in July, it was minus 1 degree celsius whereas most southerners imagine it never gets below 20C up there – same as the Red Centre, where it’s also freezing in winter.
If you plan to visit Queensland in winter, make sure it’s on the coast.
Look, I’m not a Software engineer, but I also see a huge issue with AI. For AI to function well, it requires clean data. Generally our data is so dirty it’s almost putrid.
Imagination can only go so far. I can imagine an angel dancing on the head of a pin. It doesn’t mean it’s possible though.
That’s true head prefect; I can imagine many things involving you but that doesn’t mean they’re possible.
Serious question.. How?
I didn’t invent the physics and the distances involved. Any optimism I might have had went South after playing with Lorentz transformations and scaling astronomical distances in human-comprehensible sizes as a teenager, eg. having 1 AU the radius of a pinhead. Quite an eye-opener.
Correct, in energy-intensive experimental devices, for limited periods of time and in spaces measured in cubic mm, not cubic Megaparsecs.
No it’s not, because you’re were earlier implying that anything’s possible and it’s not. Travel down those tunnels with light at the end- not those that are dark.
Thanks FM, never knew!!
The issue in this case was whether a unincorporated organisations such as the Catholic Church could be sued as a person could be. The Judgment in this case has no bearing on the merits of whether this person can in fact succeed in his claim against the church, merely that the church can face such a claim.
So the ABCs adding of Pells name as a respondent in the case is bullshit? Or gilding a shitty lilly at best?
He is now suing the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne and Cardinal Pell.
Im not having a crack at you Im really struggling to understand what case Pell is supposed to be a party to?
Of course he will. He has nice teeth!
I see that Meghan Markle has a new show on Spotify – I only know this because they have a big digital billboard where I wait at the lights on Spit Road.
Wasn’t she previously going to have a show on Netflix or something?
Now her mug is flogging her podcasts, among the rotation of ads for Doordash, Emirates, and AAMI insurance.
She married into the Royal family, was (despite her attempts to re-write the past) welcomed graciously by the British public, and guaranteed good photos and press everywhere she went.
But she was not the star so she screwed that up, thinking her genius and her charm would dupe the world.
The little show she has is probably where she would have ended up anyway as a B-grade TV actress past her ‘use-by’ date.
That’s true head prefect; I can imagine many things involving you but that doesn’t mean they’re possible.
Gaaaayyyyy!!!!!
FM – I think I finally get what (this stage of) the case is about. It’s about secondary victims (psychological, whatever) and whether an organisation, such as the RCC can be sued with personal culpability at play as well. Judge has said yes – so now the (cross dressing prostituting) father can go ahead and sue. (And, erm, good luck with that anyway).
Imagine you own a car company and you know something’s wrong with a car that was produced. It kills the driver. The driver’s spouse can sue you and the company as a secondary victim and this has been known for some time. What I think cohenite is getting at is: Can unincorporated associations be sued in a similar way.
And it seems the judge says yes. (But as I said, good luck with the case anyway).
Cohenite – how wrong am I lol!!!?
And I probably am wrong (but I’ll never be as wrong as our resident rakeface). 😛
JC, to deny that a failure to be able to imagine something makes it impossible is NOT equivalent to asserting that being able to imagine something makes it possible. ~(~p => q) is not equivalent to p => ~ q.
One legal site states:
The judge has essentially quashed the Ellis Defence but the Left will still dance on your head that the Ellis Defence meant the RCC did nothing…. ignore the trolls…
Lysandersays:
August 24, 2022 at 5:46 pm
As I said a right exists to sue the Church on a secondary victim basis but that general point has no bearing the particular circumstances of the Pell matter.
From last week
Zoophilia: The Last Taboo Will Fall
An academic plans to lecture on bestiality next month at an Australia ideas festival. ‘Consent’ will not stop the normalization of this perversion
And I certainly did NOT assert that anything is possible. You are very sloppy, JC.
~(~p => q) is not equivalent to p => ~ q.
Is head prefect a p or a q; or are you saying head prefect should mind his
P’s and Q’s
Yes thanks Cohenite. Just because the judge has said they can proceed (i.e. civil suit), doesn’t mean the case has any fucking hope of going anywhere near guilty.
If I’m wrong, may I get that stinky disease mentioned earlier.
We don’t know where our imagination will take us.
Okay, imagine all the laws of thermo dynamics are wrong without at least an theoretical backup. Are you willing to go down this rabbit warren?
I didn’t invent the physics and the distances involved. Any optimism I might have had went South after playing with Lorentz transformations and scaling astronomical distances in human-comprehensible sizes as a teenager, eg. having 1 AU the radius of a pinhead. Quite an eye-opener.
Lorenz does not prove c is set and constant but rather relies on it. But c is not fixed.
I’m an aspiring rapper not a lawyer – however the distinguishing feature in Bondage Dad v Pell appears to be that there is no proven offence and thus no connection to Nervous Shock other than via the allegation itself. (I realise Dad’s objective is to force Pell into a second trial on an easier burden of proof as a waypoint for the damages claim.)
I could well be stupidly wrong. But it seems to me that we’re in a world of scalding shit if people can get standing to sue simply on the basis of the shock of third party allegations.
OT but space law is weird (cos there really isn’t any).
Once you’re in space you can do whatever you want and be held accountable to no law.
Went to a low earth orbit (LEO) satellite summit once – waaaaay above my head but was interesting to hear about the UN trying to develop space laws. For example, there’s no law to stop China parking a stationary satellite over Canberra. Permanently.
You inferred that anything is possible otherwise why make the comment about imagination.
Gilas made a reasonable comment about the very real possibility of being unable to travel to the stars. Imagination isn’t going to help, but hardworked layers and layers upon layers of scientific/engineering know how may. You need those blocks though.
Cronkite, you need to figure out what a QC is.
The other interesting point raised at the summit was around a satellite (say US) being attacked in space by China. The satellite IS a USA asset but its not on sovereign US soil or territory, nor any allied soil.
Of course it would constitute a “war act” but wouldn’t be breaking any (agreed) laws.
Doc, I suggest you leave the put downs aside as you don’t come across half as smart as you think you are. You’re choice though.