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David with the Head of Goliath, Caravaggio, 1610

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Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 9, 2022 9:18 am

Two versions of Spem in Alium

Cantillation

And

The King’s Singers

Thomas Tallis!!!

Indolent
Indolent
September 9, 2022 9:21 am
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 9:21 am

Because Im an awful, awful person I have made a bespoke meme for the queens passing.

Yes it is SFW, Im not that evil.
https://imgflip.com/i/6sqhli

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 9, 2022 9:24 am

The Queen was not a “peer of Churchill”, she was a young teen when Churchill became PM in 1940. She was not even born when he became a Minister of the Crown before WW I.

I thought the story of Churchill, dining with the Queen for what was to be the last time and “proposing the toast I first heard proposed as a cavalry officer, during the reign of your great grandmother” rather evocative.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 9:25 am

SO IT’S COME TO THIS – GLOBALIST PUSH ON CLIMATE CHANGE

I always speak up for what is right. Again today I will speak up for what is right. The Climate Change Bill 2022 seeks to exploit fear based on fraudulent science to enshrine in legislation the subjugation of everyday Australians.

It’s time to vote against a world where hunger and poverty will increase by design as a means of control.

Transcript

So it has come to this, Madame President.

The globalists’ 50 year ‘long march through the institutions’ has come to this.

50 years of bribery, coercion and censorship of the few remaining honest scientists has come to this.

And 50 years of inciting hatred and violence against anyone who opposes the climate change agenda of ‘fear-based control’ has come to this.

Our scientists, crony corporations, political parties and mouthpiece media have failed Australia.

As a servant to the people of Queensland I have never failed to speak up for what is right and I will speak up for what is right again today.

The Climate Change Bill 2022 seeks to use fear based on fraudulent science to enshrine in legislation the ‘subjugation of everyday Australians’.

On many occasions now I have sought to alert Australians to the nightmare being planned for them.

Those many speeches, motions and bills have made little headway in mainstream media due to dodgy journalists protecting the interests of their advertisers and billionaire owners.

The public have been deceived into thinking climate change is a product of human activity and this bill is necessary to save Australia.

The truth is Australia will need to be saved from this bill.

This is not conjecture, look at the ‘net zero’ chaos overseas resulting from the scientific fraud underlying net zero. Here is just some of that.

Continues at – https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/so-its-come-to-this-globalist-push-on-climate-change/

P
P
September 9, 2022 9:26 am

lotocoti says:
September 9, 2022 at 8:18 am

Eight days ago the Old Man* took a tumble. At 92, a plate and screws are off the table.
*Pictured, bottom right with Madge and some mates.

Public holiday here in NSW 3rd February 1954.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 9:28 am

Awesome.
All the young chaps will just claim to be girls and then they will be safe drivers, right?

‘Controversial’ proposal would see young NSW men banned from driving until they turn 21

Men would be banned from getting a driving licence until they are 21 under a “controversial” proposal being made to the New South Wales government.

The proposal is one of several being made by road safety experts, who say more needs to be done to reduce road fatalities by focusing on young drivers – and particularly young men.

This comes after five teenagers died in a horror crash in Buxton, south-west of Sydney, on Tuesday night.

So far this year there have been 155 male and 48 female road fatalities across the state, according to Transport for NSW. Between 2011 and 2021, almost three times the number of men died in road accidents when compared with women.
..
The Australasian College of Road Safety’s president, emeritus professor Ann Williamson, said drivers under the age of 25 account for almost 25% of crashes in NSW, despite only representing about 15% of all drivers in the state.

“The first six months of licensing, in particular, people are very vulnerable to crashes,” Williamson said.

“It’s not that the road authorities and the policy decision-makers aren’t aware and there are a number of restrictions on inexperienced and novice young drivers … but it’s not enough. It clearly isn’t enough.”

She can go ram her head up a dead bears hole.

How about banning men from work as they are massively overrepresented in fatality statistics?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 9, 2022 9:32 am

I have never understood Xi’s Covid Lockdowns – They just have not made any sense

Old Ozzie – Maybe it is the curse of the Emperor: a guy like Xi gets used to ordering “do this”, and it is done, then when something comes along which can’t be done the Emperor gets into strife. He orders it and orders it and the underlings try and try, but they fail since it’s impossible. But the God-King says it must happen, so they just keep on trying. Mao seemed to be like that.

cohenite
September 9, 2022 9:33 am

A great lady who miraculously kept her royal ego in check and presented a neutral face to the public; she never paraded any superiority and avoided any political controversy or issue fondling.

Chuck will be the opposite; he is essentially a royal brat, full of piss and vinegar and, as krudd observed on radio this morning, a true environmental warrior before it was fashionable. Chuck is part of the Great Reset with that multi-chined kraut and the rest of the tin-pot elites. Chuck keeps about 500 serfs, more now he is king, and will badger the rest of us to live in bark huts and eat worms for the good of the planet.

The worst of it is chuck will give solace and impetus to the likes of turdbull, the pirate, lidia fucking thorpe and every other shithead who cannot recognise the worth and value of such a figurehead as the Queen was. This will get very fucked very quickly.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 9:34 am

Epic entitlement

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/18/man-take-court-bad-date-woman-judge/

WILD COURT CASE
WOMAN SUES ‘BAD DATE’ FOR $10K
… Rips into Judge, Too!!!

7/18/2022 12:52 PM PT

Sometimes it’s best to just swipe left — a woman is suing a guy over one bad date, and their court appearance plays like the greatest 10-minute soap opera.

Judge Herman Marable Jr. in Flint, Michigan definitely had his work cut out for him when QaShontae Short sued Richard Jordan for intentional infliction of emotional distress … claiming they had a less-than-perfect date.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 9:36 am

The proposal is one of several being made by road safety experts

Ah. ‘Experts’ again.

How about banning men from work as they are massively overrepresented in fatality statistics?

All women should be conscripted into concreting, roofing, outdoor summer welding, high-altitude electrical linework and road train tyre changing from the ages of 16 to 33.

I say this as an expert.

Johnny Rotten
September 9, 2022 9:36 am

Crossiesays:
September 9, 2022 at 6:29 am
I think the Queen may have lost the will to live since Prince Philip died. Some losses are unbearable.

Yes and they were obviously so very much in Love. She has now gone to a better place to rest after a Lifetime of Service.

Bruce
Bruce
September 9, 2022 9:37 am

@ Armadillo:

US, but pertinent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_CmVbyphw&t=127s

Crossie
Crossie
September 9, 2022 9:38 am

Has the White House issued a statement yet about the Queen’s death?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 9:39 am

another ian
September 9, 2022 at 8:13 am · Reply
The Boy Scout approach to EV travel

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 9:40 am

Men would be banned from getting a driving licence until they are 21 under a “controversial” proposal being made to the New South Wales government.

The proposal is one of several being made by road safety experts, who say more needs to be done to reduce road fatalities by focusing on young drivers – and particularly young men.

Get fucked, you’ll fucking live longer.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 9:42 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 9, 2022 9:44 am

UK caps on power bills are the equivalent of Third World subsidised cooking oil. Quite appropriate really.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 9:45 am

Dotsays:
September 9, 2022 at 9:34 am
Epic entitlement

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/18/man-take-court-bad-date-woman-judge/

The 13% again – definitely Amish

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 9:45 am

And, yes, at some stage military officers, and not only them, may have to disobey even though the orders may be ‘legal’; that was the lesson of Nuremberg.

So many flippant references made about the Nuremberg trials these past years. It’s now on the list words that have stripped of all impact.

Crossie
Crossie
September 9, 2022 9:47 am

Thanks OldOzzie. I see they will have flags at half-mast on the day of the funeral.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 9, 2022 9:47 am

Just another government successfully reducing their population to dependence.

cohenite
September 9, 2022 9:49 am

miltonfsays:
September 9, 2022 at 5:39 am
‘May Her Pain Be Excruciating:’ Carnegie Mellon Prof Uju Anya Wishes Death on ‘Wretched Woman’ Queen Elizabeth II

This black kunt reminds us of the bubbling hatred a lot of blacks have towards whitey. The black bitch is everything the Queen was not: arrogant and puerile and ungrateful; and stupid; she’s also taking on bezos:

https://meaww.com/jeff-bezos-slams-carnegie-mellon-professor-uju-anya-tweet-queen-elizabeth-ii-excruciating-death

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 9, 2022 9:49 am

Now that we have Charles III, let us remember the illustrious predecessor of the same name in form of poesy and as composed by one of his very favourites, John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 9:55 am

So far this year there have been 155 male and 48 female road fatalities across the state, according to Transport for NSW. Between 2011 and 2021, almost three times the number of men died in road accidents when compared with women.

8.1mill punters in NSW.
Maybe we should ban cars altogether.

shatterzzz
September 9, 2022 9:57 am

“It’s not that the road authorities and the policy decision-makers aren’t aware and there are a number of restrictions on inexperienced and novice young drivers … but it’s not enough. It clearly isn’t enough.”

Doesn’t it ever occur to these people that all imposing restrictions on kids driving will do is ensure lotz more “unlicensed” drivers out there …. like drugs. alcohol, whatever the more, restrictive, regulations the more rule breakers .. FFS!

132andBush
132andBush
September 9, 2022 10:04 am

This comes after five teenagers died in a horror crash in Buxton, south-west of Sydney, on Tuesday night.

There is no cure for fuckwitism.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 9, 2022 10:04 am

8.1mill punters in NSW.
Maybe we should ban cars altogether.

They’re working on that, if you haven’t already noticed.
I was amused by this headline.

Is the Automobile Industry Being Mandated Toward a Death Spiral? (6 Sep)

Nothing in the article that Cats don’t already know about, although the source will give Monty conniptions. My answer to the question is “yes and no”. Yes, Western car companies are committing suicide. And no, Chinese ones aren’t. But then the Chinese don’t believe in climate fairies. In a couple decades China will own the car industry completely.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 10:05 am

Unless the driver of the car from the big smash this week was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, he should face zero charges regarding the deaths of the carload of kids.
No one forced the kids to get into the car.
It was an accident.
Society has to accept that kids will make decisions that increase the likelihood they are going to get themselves killed.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 10:05 am

Oh god.

My local sportzball comp wants black armbands for da Queen.

These people have to “make a statement” about bloody everything.

No. Shut up. Keep the fields in good order. Pay the match officials and order the trophies well before grand final day.

“Go awey now…”

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 10:06 am

Freedom is a two edged sword.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 9, 2022 10:09 am

Just hours after Her Majesty’s death, The Greens with a predictable, tasteless diatribe.
Friday, 09 September 2022

Michael Smith News. To quote 132andbush, there is no cure for fuckwitism.

Crossie
Crossie
September 9, 2022 10:10 am

Did I read somewhere that the Queen’s motto was “Never complain, never explain”?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 10:10 am

With all due respect to the lady, the queen presided over the absolute dissolution of the UK and kept her mouth shut to protect her families position & wealth.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 9, 2022 10:12 am

Message from V. Putin – currently in a proxy war with the UK:

Please accept our deepest condolences on the passing of Queen Elizabeth II.

The most important events in the recent history of the United Kingdom are inextricably linked with the name of Her Majesty. For many decades, Elizabeth II rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage.

I wish you courage and perseverance in the face of this heavy, irreparable loss. I ask you to convey the words of sincere sympathy and support to the members of the royal family and all the people of Great Britain.

Message from A.Bandt – currently in a proxy war with Australia:

‘Rest In Peace Queen Elizabeth II. Our thoughts are with her family and all who loved her,’

‘Now Australia must move forward. We need Treaty with First Nations people, and we need to become a Republic.’

One of these men is a pygmy, performing at wadderwewant wenderwewantit level.
Unfortunately, that one has his hands on the levers in Australia.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 10:18 am

From cohenite’s link above. The Carnegie Professor’s tweet:

“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating.

“If anyone expects me to express anything but disdain for the monarch who supervised a government that sponsored the genocide that massacred and displaced half my family and the consequences of which those alive today are still trying to overcome, you can keep wishing upon a star.

“That wretched woman and her bloodthirsty throne have f**king generations of my ancestors on both sides of the family, and she supervised a government that sponsored the genocide my parents and siblings survived. May she die in agony.”

The Professor’s measured response to dissent:

That received reaction from people who criticized her statement. One wrote, “Ewww you stink,” to which Anya responded by saying, “You mean like your p-ssy?”

This is how downtrodden she is:

Anya works at Carnegie Mellon as a linguistics professor. She was born in Nigeria, a British colony until 1960. She moved to the US when she was just 10 and attended Dartmouth College, Brown University and the University of California, Los Angeles. “Because of systemic exclusion, my voice is unique and foundational in the field.”

Excluded. So excluded.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 9, 2022 10:19 am

JCsays:

September 9, 2022 at 8:05 am

Gab no, I’m still waiting for the fucker to show up. This is the worst thing about hospitals -the wait.

He’ll be in a bunker on the 12th at Royal Melbourne.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 9, 2022 10:19 am

Society has to accept that kids will make decisions that increase the likelihood they are going to get themselves killed.

Yeah, and each other.

Speeding woman on cocaine kills drunk driver high on meth in North Las Vegas, police say (6 Sep)

NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. (KLAS) — A speeding woman is accused of driving under the influence of cocaine and alcohol when she crashed into another car, killing its driver who was under the influence of methamphetamine, police said.

The victim who died in the crash had a blood alcohol level more than three times above the legal limit. The person also had a substantial amount of methamphetamine in their system, police said.

Cocaine-plus-alcohol vs meth-plus-alcohol. I don’t know what you do about this sort of stuff, I really don’t. From Surber’s highlights of the news today.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 10:20 am

Sad but inevitable news about Queen Elizabeth II.

News that rounds out a pretty awful period in Australian and World History.

Watch the grifting lunatics that run Australia kick things up a gear.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 10:25 am

My local sportzball comp wants black armbands for da Queen.

Might be the only worthy virtue signal in the last 50 years.

shatterzzz
September 9, 2022 10:25 am

Unless the driver of the car from the big smash this week was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, he should face zero charges regarding the deaths of the carload of kids.

Isn’t the driver responsible for the number of passengers carried, isn’t using your mobile whilst driving illegal and isn’t speeding is, generally, regarded as a chargeable offence? ……

Cassie of Sydney
September 9, 2022 10:36 am

“One of these men is a pygmy, performing at wadderwewant wenderwewantit level.
Unfortunately, that one has his hands on the levers in Australia.”

Well said.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 10:36 am

A great lady who miraculously kept her royal ego in check and presented a neutral face to the public

A work colleges wife received a knighthood. He turns up to the ceremony with a shock of curly white hair going vertical and a red bow tie to match his face and nose.

How on earth she managed to keep a straight face….

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 10:40 am

Dutch city world’s first to ban advertisements for holiday flights
10:15, Sep 09 2022

A Dutch city has become the first in the world to ban advertisements in public places for holiday flights.

From 2024, ads relating to fossil fuel products and services will be barred from being displayed in public places in Haarlem.

That means any billboards on buses, shelters and screens promoting air travel and non-electric cars will be barred, as the city moves to address the climate crisis.

As part of the changes, Haarlem will also be to be the first city in the world to ban adverts for meat.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 9, 2022 10:41 am

All hail King Tobyjug the First.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 10:46 am

Did I read somewhere that the Queen’s motto was “Never complain, never explain”?

“Escalate semper escalate”.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 10:47 am

With all due respect to the lady, the queen presided over the absolute dissolution of the UK and kept her mouth shut to protect her families position & wealth.

Highly disrespectful of you, mole. For shame.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 10:47 am

Anya works at Carnegie Mellon as a linguistics professor. She was born in Nigeria, a British colony until 1960.

After which, by their own hands, they took what Britain had left them and degraded it into a country so shit and dangerous, that most other Africans avoid going there, or dealing with the inhabitants, at all costs.

Delta A
Delta A
September 9, 2022 10:49 am

Vale, Elizabeth R.

A life well spent.

Entropy
Entropy
September 9, 2022 10:53 am

The Australasian College of Road Safety’s president, emeritus professor Ann Williamson

Said college probably consists of retired Prof Williamson, her pet cat and a MacBook Air.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 10:55 am

Sod off Monty.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 9, 2022 10:57 am

she’s also taking on bezos:

Unless Bezos uses all the resources of Amazon and subsidiaries to destroy her career and reputation, then he is just a virtue signalling clown.

Indolent
Indolent
September 9, 2022 10:57 am

A policeman calmly explaining in just over a minute that, as from 1st January, it is police, not the criminals who will be handcuffed in Illinois.

Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
Get out of Illinois.
It is way too dangerous to live or work there.

The state legislature and Governor are insane to have passed this.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 9, 2022 10:59 am

“Shall we call for the family, Marm?”
“Yes, one supposes it is time. Except for that ghastly piece of work the dimwit ranga is married to. One doesn’t want her plastic mug to be the last thing one sees before one shuffles orf.”

Cassie of Sydney
September 9, 2022 10:59 am

“isn’t using your mobile whilst driving illegal “

How do you know? I’ve read he was speeding but I haven’t read anywhere he was using a mobile whilst driving.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 11:00 am

She was born in Nigeria

I see she’s retained the scamming characteristic that makes her country beloved by all.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 11:03 am

People to MAFS creators
Your show is the absolute bottom of the barrel crap…

MAFS creators
‘Hold my beer”..

Welcome to Love Triangle, the new dating show from the creators of MAFS

Can we expect any twists?
Absolutely. Would it be a reality dating show without some kind of bombshell that will blow your mind? Given the show is called Love Triangle, it’s a safe bet that partner swapping will be on the menu, according to series producer John Walsh.

“It’s more like the real world; if you end up being attracted to someone outside your relationship, then so be it, and we will track that storyline,” says Walsh.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 11:05 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
September 9, 2022 at 10:59 am
“isn’t using your mobile whilst driving illegal “

How do you know? I’ve read he was speeding but I haven’t read anywhere he was using a mobile whilst driving.

Chilling first words of teenage driver after his ute came off the road killing his five mates – as the traumatised 18-year-old who was allegedly filmed speeding on Snapchat blames ‘a steering fault’

Court documents allege he filmed himself driving dangerously before the crash

Edwards, a labourer, was refused bail by the magistrate on five charges of dangerous driving occasioning death, after police prosecutors said a video allegedly taken in the lead-up to the fatal crash supported elements of the offences and showed a high level of moral culpability.

The video, filmed by Edwards on his phone about an hour before the crash, shows him driving with two of the victims, according to a summary of police facts.

Edwards is seen holding his mobile, while aggressively turning the steering wheel, as loud music plays.

A male in the car can be heard saying: ‘We’re going to spin out cuz.’

In the moments before the crash, police allege Edwards drove at high speed, lost control, crossed onto the wrong side of the road and travelled along a grassy road shoulder for about 40 metres.

Investigations suggest the ute rotated clockwise for about 50 metres, hit a tree and then rotated in a counterclockwise direction before colliding with a second tree.

The force of the two impacts tore open the ute cabin, ripping the rear seat from the vehicle and throwing the five victims from the vehicle. Their bodies were located nearby.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 11:06 am

From the acrs site

If you feel that any material contained on/in this site has infringed your rights, please notify us immediately. We can be reached via the contact page.

The irony!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 9, 2022 11:11 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:

September 9, 2022 at 10:59 am

“isn’t using your mobile whilst driving illegal “

How do you know? I’ve read he was speeding but I haven’t read anywhere he was using a mobile whilst driving

He could always sign a stat dec that someone else was driving.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 11:13 am

Judith Durham and The Seekers – Carry Me. Rest in Peace beautiful lady.
Thursday, 08 September 2022
Thanks to Jeff of FNQ for the tip – he writes:

The Seekers’ beautiful final recording together, unveiled by Athol Guy at Judith’s Memorial service. Written by Seeker Bruce Woodley, the Boys added their voices and instrumentation to Judith’s vocals, with her approval and blessing a few months before her passing. It was to have been released for their 60th anniversary later this year.

YouTube – 4 mins 17 Secs – Judith Durham & The Seekers (2022) – Carry Me

shatterzzz
September 9, 2022 11:15 am

How do you know? I’ve read he was speeding but I haven’t read anywhere he was using a mobile whilst driving

Videos from the driver’s side of the the car weaving back & forth at speed prior to the crash were posted on one of the social media channels yesterday ……..

local oaf
September 9, 2022 11:16 am

The Queen at Flemington races – 1954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJiRw5G0gtU

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 9, 2022 11:16 am

Sounds like that death crash driver is in more trouble than the early settlers. I would be blocking out the next 8 to 10 years in the diary somehow if the reported facts are to be believed. Kids make stupid decisions but the driver has a responsibility to his passengers at the end of the day.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 11:18 am

AFR – Queen Elizabeth: A life in 56 photos

The Queen’s long, eventful life spanned a huge slice of modern history, from presidents and prime ministers to wars and revolutions.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 9, 2022 11:22 am

Chaz III’s big problem is going to be walking the fence of politics, while contributing enough to be relevant, and making moral sense to the majority.

HMQ managed this balancing act – arguably like nobody else in history. Chaz, on the other hand, has bright Green baggage and strange enthusiasms that have been tolerated throughout his adult life and marked off as eccentricity.

He’s become more circumspect as he nears his place in the Sun; but one step off the highwire and, suddenly, the Monarchy becomes political and open to direct comparison with other Head-of-State models which, in the Westminster System, suffer from the same problem of partiality.

Moments of truth ahead.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 9, 2022 11:22 am

Investigations suggest the ute rotated clockwise for about 50 metres, hit a tree and then rotated in a counterclockwise direction before colliding with a second tree.

Photos of the site show a narrow road with big trees very close to the road.
The trees made sure youthful stupidity was lethal.

Razey
Razey
September 9, 2022 11:23 am

I will be fully one board with the climate emergency once I become a multi-millionaire.

Arky
September 9, 2022 11:26 am

The queen is dead?
I thought it was only appendicitis.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 11:33 am

BURN!!

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 11:34 am

The Queen was a peer of Churchill in the sense that she sought his wise counsel on matter of state, being a part of the state herself. I am sure Churchill would have shown her the deference due to her position.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 11:34 am

Staying up late last night for any news on the Queen reminded me of 2005 when we lost JPII.

I read this morning that, upon her father being made King, she prayed every night then on for a brother!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 9, 2022 11:35 am

Sounds like that death crash driver is in more trouble than the early settlers. I would be blocking out the next 8 to 10 years in the diary somehow if the reported facts are to be believed. Kids make stupid decisions but the driver has a responsibility to his passengers at the end of the day.

The number of passengers in the vehicle is a big risk factor for young male drivers. Distraction, peer pressure, the awesome power of showing off – there is a huge literature showing this all contributes to significantly impaired driving and more frequent accidents.

An overloaded car, with looking like five unsecured passengers?
No surprise if the authorities get custodial on the boy.

Frank
Frank
September 9, 2022 11:35 am

After which, by their own hands, they took what Britain had left them and degraded it into a country so shit and dangerous, that most other Africans avoid going there, or dealing with the inhabitants, at all costs.

About a year ago a shipment of human penises was intercepted in Zimbabwe, en route to China. They came from Nigeria. Nobody ever worked out what the intended use was.

Rabz
September 9, 2022 11:41 am

Nobody ever worked out what the intended use was

Organ transplants?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 9, 2022 11:44 am

Spent the last week at my beach house. One of my neighbours is in depression over his wife’s death 3 1/2 yrs ago. He has Parkinson’s. I’m one of the few people he talks to. His children are greedy wastrels. He built a granny flat on his Sydney home after his daughter took over the house and became unbearable. He only let come back after she got divorced for his grandchildren’s sake. I see him every 2-3 weeks and have noticed he is withdrawing from life. I think the only reason he talks to me is because I’m blunt, saying things he doesn’t want to hear but knows them to be true. His Parkinson’s is not bad but he is embarrassed about it. I don’t want to say anything to his kids coz I’m pretty sure they would take advantage of the situation as they have in the past. I asked him if I should worry about him to which he didn’t answer. His grandchildren aren’t old enough to do anything. What to do?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 9, 2022 11:47 am

m0ntysays:
September 9, 2022 at 11:34 am
The Queen was a peer of Churchill in the sense that she sought his wise counsel on matter of state, being a part of the state herself. I am sure Churchill would have shown her the deference due to her position.

See, you can be sensible if you try.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 11:48 am

About a year ago a shipment of human penises was intercepted in Zimbabwe, en route to China. They came from Nigeria. Nobody ever worked out what the intended use was.

Dafuq?!

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 11:50 am

Oh, it was satire.

Razey
Razey
September 9, 2022 11:51 am

My 99 year old grandmother is gonna be spewing. She wanted a telegram from the Queen. Not her stupid son.

Rabz
September 9, 2022 11:53 am

What a conundrum – I hate that pompous drooling hypocritical inbred cretin Chilla big ears with a passion, but detest the imbeciles here pushing a republic just as much.

Whatever “model” is proposed for a republic here will be infinitely worse and far more damaging to our already smashed beyond repair political system.

I also wasn’t particularly impressed with Betty Windsor’s blundering into the gerbil worming hysteria while all those hypocritical dimwits were inhaling their own flatulence at the Glasgow gabfest.

A severe blot on her copybook and entirely uncalled for. I’ll put it down to her being manipulated by those who should have known better (i.e. the big eared inbred cretin mentioned above).

However, it is sad that she has died. She was a very dignified figure, especially given the monstrous banality that so much of her role would have entailed, not to mention the myriad obsequious imbeciles that she also would have had to uncomplainingly tolerate.

A vacuum now exists, both in the UK and here. Goodness knows what indignities and idiocies will stampede in to fill it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 11:54 am

His grandchildren aren’t old enough to do anything. What to do?If his daughter isnt too much of a mole see if he can take the kids to various places/events or clubs to “keep them out of her hair”.
Might give him a focus outside himself.

Just keep away from those smelly weirdoes in the corner, its a gateway drug to poverty and eternal virginhood.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 9, 2022 11:55 am

Razeysays:
September 9, 2022 at 11:51 am
My 99 year old grandmother is gonna be spewing. She wanted a telegram from the Queen. Not her stupid son.

My beloved Aunt as well.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 11:56 am

I’ve been a passenger in cars when accidents happened because of speed.
I knowingly got into cars on multiple occasions with dunk drivers.
My responsibility.

The fact that the passengers were whooping it up before means they were playing the lottery with their lives & they knew it.

Rabz
September 9, 2022 11:58 am

What to do?

What you’ve been doing. His lot would not be a pleasant one.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:01 pm

Whatever “model” is proposed for a republic here will be infinitely worse and far more damaging to our already smashed beyond repair political system.

No. Not ideally.

Sortition.
Recall elections.
Jury nullification.
Confederalism.
Subsidiarity.
Sunset clauses on all legislation.
Term limits.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 9, 2022 12:01 pm

Mole, she’s a self centred mole not of the frollicking kind. I don’t know what he does all day. He used to take one of the kids to footy training but not anymore. He doesn’t want to go out.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 12:02 pm

King Charles III, eh. What a world.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 12:03 pm

Apart from violent crimes & white collar crimes, custodial sentences shouldn’t even be on the table for 99% of crimes.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 12:03 pm

Sortition.
Recall elections.
Jury nullification.
Confederalism.
Subsidiarity.
Sunset clauses on all legislation.
Term limits.

Oh do shut up Dot, you bore.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:04 pm

No.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 9, 2022 12:04 pm

Regarding the Euro energy problems, I wonder if the gas reserve status in Germany has been taken into consideration. Gazprom built and operated large reserve storage facilities for their gas in Germany, these reserves are around 80% full according to reports. That was part of the Nord Stream 1 project, which has been confiscated by Germany in accordance with its Russian sanctions.

I think that the Euros believed that they would have the gas reserves available for consumption should the Ukraine war and the associated sanctions continue into the northern winter, but it now appears that the gas might be harder to extract.

The gas reserves held in Germany were there apparently to act as a buffer between use and supply, and that it needed constant incoming gas to make it work. Similar to a domestic hot water system, you may have a tank of hot water available, but if the mains water is turned off, there’s no pressure to force the hot water out.

Maybe Germany should have asked Gazprom for the owner’s manual before confiscating it.

I also doubt that Russia will turn the gas back on after the sanctions are over, there will be no trust between Russia and Europe for at least a generation.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:06 pm

Apart from violent crimes & white collar crimes, custodial sentences shouldn’t even be on the table for 99% of crimes

That’s nearly absolutely correct.

LOL

The land of the free.

https://reason.com/2022/08/05/he-was-arrested-for-promoting-jury-nullification-a-federal-court-says-that-was-illegal/

He Was Arrested for Promoting Jury Nullification. A Federal Court Says That Was Illegal.

Michael Picard’s free speech rights were violated when he was booked for telling passersby to “Google Jury Nullification.”

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 12:11 pm

Dot, you don’t really think 99% of Australians are OK with gay marriage, do you ?
I think the plebiscite was a rough 60/40 split with 10% not responding.
That result obtained after emotional blackmail and virtually no opposition from churches etc.
Most people couldn’t give a rats and just go along.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 12:11 pm

They came from Nigeria. Nobody ever worked out what the intended use was.

Given the population of Nigeria Id imagine they very well know what they are used for.

When a man and a lady love each other very much…

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 9, 2022 12:16 pm

OldOzziesays:
September 9, 2022 at 11:13 am

Thanks OO. An uptick just isn’t enough.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:18 pm

Dot, you don’t really think 99% of Australians are OK with gay marriage, do you ?

No and I can’t see what you’re angling to.

rosie
rosie
September 9, 2022 12:19 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 12:20 pm

Surely an aspiring monarch would give some thought to post-1066 regnal names.

William? Meh. A conqueror 1000 years ago, you get ‘accidentally’ shot with an arrow or You’re Dutch.
Edward? II and VIII wipe that one out, despite the achievements of I and IV.
George? A bit samey. Plus, III was Radio Rental.
Charles? A coin flip.
John and Stephen are right out. Obviously.
Richard? A good start with I, but II didn’t get a look in and not all III’s dogs were barking.

Henry? I, II and III had long and successful reigns (III in particular smacked up the French), IV got up by right of conquest, V conquered the French again and actually took the crown (admittedly a low bar), VI and VII were middling (long reigns, again) and VIII started his own religion after being reputedly the best single-combat warrior in Europe.

Henry IX. That’s the one.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 12:21 pm

or You’re Dutch

Crikey. A brief episode of ConSpiracy CapiTals.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 9, 2022 12:21 pm

Whoops!

Forgot to link to the poem John Wilmot wrote for Charles II.

Here it is.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 12:21 pm

Based on the turnout of I think I worked out that something like 46% of people voted in favour of SSM.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 12:22 pm

Shocker: New York Times had its hit piece on Queen Elizabeth written up and ready to go

As Twitchy reported, Queen Elizabeth passed away Thursday at the age of 96. For lefty Twitter, it’s a chance to trash the queen for being a colonizer. We’re actually very saddened by the news: Anyone under age 70 doesn’t know of a time when she wasn’t Queen of England.

Newspapers usually have obituaries ready to go, with only the date to be filled in. The New York Times went a step further and had an opinion piece trashing the queen ready to go, written by a Harvard professor no less. To be more accurate, we should say that Maya Jasanoff trashed the British Empire, not the queen … go ahead and mourn the person, but don’t mourn for the era.

From the Comments

– The NYT always sinks to the occasion.
– To publish that today is classless and petty. An era of class and grace is gone today. We can only dream of a life half as full of hers.
– Just 2 days ago you published an OpEd lauding Mikhail Gorbachev, and not even 12 hours after the death of arguably the most influential female leader in modern world history, you publish this bit decrying her legacy. It’s disgusting.
– As an patriotic American, I find this distasteful and the timing shameful
– Sincerely hope your company folds

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 12:22 pm

“I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong,”

Mission Accomplished.

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 12:26 pm

Re Nuremberg a failure to go after the Russians for identical crimes such as the Katyn forest massacre and other wrongs saw justice compromised by politics.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 9, 2022 12:26 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
September 9, 2022 at 12:20 pm
Surely an aspiring monarch would give some thought to post-1066 regnal names.

Why does it have to be post-1066?
Long live King Athelstan II !

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:27 pm

King Alfred II.
King Athelstan II.
King Cynric II.
King Coel II.
King Mark I of GB & Mark II of Cornwall.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 12:28 pm

Pushing people into a gass chamber is way worse then some crank theory spoken at uni.

P
P
September 9, 2022 12:29 pm

“I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong,”

Love Divine, all loves excelling (Blaenwern) (+lyrics) – Westminster Abbey Commonwealth Day 2020

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 12:31 pm

It was in something you said responding to Dover upthread. Something along the lines of 99% of the population accept gay marriage now.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 9, 2022 12:34 pm

Obviously you hope for governments to be able to walk and chew gum. Sadly I fear that, with the renewed Republic debate warming up, we will be seeing another second/third order issue joining the Voice, Treaty, Covid, Alphabettery, and gender equality as front and centre issues – another distraction crowding out perhaps slightly more important others:

– Massive debt that needs to be managed;
– Inflation out of the box and running hard;
– Huge, insatiable and loosely controlled welfare spending – $200bn/10% of GDP;
– Broken productive economy: supply chains, energy prices, regulation;
– Work has become a 20th Century concept;
– Energy is becoming a scarce economy – with a 10-year+ strategic gap to fix;
– Breakdown of the Australian Federal system;
– Trade relations falling into the black holes of geopolitics;
– Regional politics: the neighbours shifting gears and turning into Turd Worlds;
– The US-West rotting internally, while China consumes Russia with promises of win-win-win.

Sadly, Australia is run by arseclowns in arseclown’s clothing, so the tedious bits that don’t help the short-term politics can easily be ignored.

Speedbox
September 9, 2022 12:34 pm

feelthebern says:
September 9, 2022 at 11:56 am
The fact that the passengers were whooping it up before means they were playing the lottery with their lives & they knew it.

& they knew it…..did they? Bit harsh ftb. The dead were two 14-year-old girls, a 15-year-old girl and two boys, aged 15 and 16. I have serious doubts that children that young understood the potential implications of the driver’s actions.

One person is heard on the driver’s recording as saying “we will spin out”. For people so young, a ‘spin out’ is probably not perceived as much worse than an amusement ride, or maybe dodgem cars.

In any case, it is a terrible tragedy and utter waste of young lives.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:36 pm

It was in something you said responding to Dover upthread. Something along the lines of 99% of the population accept gay marriage now.

Not me.

If we are going to have citizen’s referenda, they should be only for striking down unpopular laws.

Struth
September 9, 2022 12:39 pm

We lose a Queen and gain an enemy of the west as a King.
An enemy of freedom and humanity.
A moron.
But on becoming king will he have to learn how to STFU now?
His rise to King will elevate people’s knowledge of the WEF.

Remember, they were all supposed to be hiding in plain sight, twisting words and dishonest language their camouflage…until Trump came along.
We note the worst countries for tyranny are the ones like Holland and Canada and Australia, NZ, all have senior government WEF traitors in them.
Trudeau, Mark Rutte in Holland etc…..Greg Hunt.
Who here now scoffs at being told about the WEF?
Many did.
The more they out themselves, the better.
The fight is not over, but Charles becoming king……..who thinks he’ll be able to keep his gob closed on matters political?
And every time he does, he will be pointing at the WEF and Klaus and chums.
He will be pointing at Bill Gates.
Those people know Climate Change is bullshit.
Dumb Charles really believes it.
Will he unwittingly shine more light on the darkness?

I loved the job the Queen did to a degree.
She reigned over good times she did not manufacture.
When the going got tough and we needed a Queen to make a stand, non party political, about the free world and the nations of the Commonwealth, she remained removed.
There is a difference between being political and defending the Realm.
A few choice words here and there would not have gone astray.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 12:39 pm

In any case, it is a terrible tragedy and utter waste of young lives.

Tell me someone who is saying otherwise.

JC
JC
September 9, 2022 12:40 pm

Arky says:
September 9, 2022 at 11:26 am

The queen is dead?
I thought it was only appendicitis.

Charming
Presumably, that barb was directed toward me, from the genius who burnt his house down. I wonder how the non-Chinese spanner set is going?

Winston Smith
September 9, 2022 12:43 pm

Rosie:

Let’s see if he acknowledges the suffering of ordinary people from high energy costs.
I really don’t know how blind to reality he is.

He may acknowledge the suffering, rosie, but he can’t understand what he hasn’t experienced at any more than a superficial level.

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 12:44 pm

Dot:

The problem with Dover and de Santis’ position is even if 100% of people agree with you on the principles, you’re in a hell of a place of 99% of the population think you are wrong on issues.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:46 pm

It was in something you said responding to Dover upthread. Something along the lines of 99% of the population accept gay marriage now.

I get it now. I know what you are referring to.

Who determines the truth? I hope it is never the government.

You only need say 55% like Dan Andrew’s and the damage is massive.

God forbid you hold a true and very unpopular belief.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 12:47 pm
bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 12:48 pm

– Huge, insatiable and loosely controlled welfare spending – $200bn/10% of GDP;

It’s not loosely controlled. The problem is the cash is being swallowed up by administration and accreditation. Nothing like the old days of walking in and getting a check.

Struth
September 9, 2022 12:48 pm

A marriage that cannot be consumated is not a marriage.
Buggery and carpet muching and other habits of the homosexual are not sexual intercourse itself.

How can they be married?
Obviously they can’t be married and all know it.
Men cannot be women and all know it.
But to make you accept the lie is for evil to gain power.
The lie of Covid, when it was just the seasonal wog.
The lie that it was safe to be injected…………..who wants to believe that biggie?
If you want to believe it to be true, you will….and with the horrors of the truth now becoming a reality, who wants to know the truth?!!

Lefties do it all the time.
Before many here have now taken up the practice, they used to call this habit, magical thinking.
Say it and it must be true.
Well it isn’t.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 12:48 pm

Inevitably, Trump’s tribute to the Queen is mostly talking about himself.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 9, 2022 12:51 pm

Jorge says:
September 9, 2022 at 12:31 pm

It was in something you said responding to Dover upthread. Something along the lines of 99% of the population accept gay marriage now.

Not me, I hate poofters.

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 12:55 pm

Nuremberg wasn’t just about those who put people in gas chambers. Other crimes were prosecuted and the perpetrators executed.

In ignoring identical Russian crimes, Nuremberg was not, as is often claimed, a high water point for justice. It was an example of Western weakness in the face of Stalins manipulation.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 12:57 pm

In ignoring identical Russian crimes, Nuremberg was not, as is often claimed, a high water point for justice.

No, it didn’t go far enough.

Too many Germans got off way too lightly.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 12:59 pm

Mehreen Faruqi:

“Condolences to those who knew the Queen. I cannot mourn a leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.”

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 12:59 pm

Japan’s emperor too.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 9, 2022 1:03 pm

Condolences to those who knew the Queen. I cannot mourn a leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.

Just how low can the Greens stoop?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Mehreen Faruqi:
“Condolences to those who knew the Queen. I cannot mourn a leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.”

How’s her form? !!!!
The British Empire brought her a lifestyle unimaginable to her forebears.
She didn’t get that fat by working the fields and carrying drinking water back to her hut.

She loathes the stolen land & wealth so much she made a conscious choice to move to a country full of white people.
No sticking around & helping to ‘reclaim’ the lost lifestyle & self-determination the Empire stole from her people.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 9, 2022 1:05 pm

are river cruise ships on the rhine and danube having problems with low river levels?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=are+river+cruise+ships+on+the+rhine+and+danube+having+problems+with+low+river+levels&df=m&ia=web

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:05 pm

I think Farucked was referring to Mohammed (PBUH)?

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 1:06 pm

What’s the link between gay marriage and COVID again struth?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 9, 2022 1:07 pm

For lefty Twitter, it’s a chance to trash the queen for being a colonizer.

I can’t think of any colonies established under Elizabeth II.

A lot of nations were granted independence but.

JC
JC
September 9, 2022 1:08 pm

This weekend, everyone should show their antipathy towards China. Let’s all buy a non-Chinese made sprocket set. That will show them who’s boss.

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 1:09 pm

Too many Germans got off way too lightly.

At least we found out about them.

Even now almost nobody has heard of the Katyn forest. Or the allied POWs including Americans who disappeared in the Gulags. Plus the Poles and others.

Such craven, gutless cowardice or worse – betrayal.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 9, 2022 1:09 pm

King Mark I of GB & Mark II of Cornwall.

I swear I read those as version numbers.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:10 pm

Even Elbow on Perth radio this morning was smart enough to say “it’s not the time, next question” in response to journo on republic…

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:10 pm

I can’t believe there is still $US67bill in Tether.
Down from $US84bill at the peak, but still people people this “stable coin” will prevail.
Bonkers.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 9, 2022 1:10 pm

Japan’s emperor too.

MacArthur was opposed to trying the Emperor as a war criminal – he calculated that such an action would cause an insurrection that would last several years.

JC
JC
September 9, 2022 1:11 pm

In ignoring identical Russian crimes, Nuremberg was not, as is often claimed, a high water point for justice. It was an example of Western weakness in the face of Stalins manipulation.

How exactly was Nuremberg an example of Western weakness?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 9, 2022 1:13 pm

An Australian Republic, with Bruce Pascoe as President?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 1:15 pm

I loved the job the Queen did to a degree.
She reigned over good times she did not manufacture.

Beg to differ.

Your first task, St. Ruth, is to have Queensland renamed.

I believe ‘The Last Holdout’ is already taken.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 1:16 pm

Even now almost nobody has heard of the Katyn forest. Or the allied POWs including Americans who disappeared in the Gulags. Plus the Poles and others.

What was the option? Start WWIII straight after WWII? Churchill had floated that idea and no one had any appetite for it, unsurprisingly.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 1:16 pm

An Australian Republic, with Bruce Pascoe as President?

I’d rather Patsy Biscoe.

Struth
September 9, 2022 1:17 pm

The highest offices from the Vatican to Kings and Prime Ministers are filled with Communists and assorted tyrants.
The Pope is a communist.
The English king is a tyrannical moron, an elitist.
Held by his wing nut ears and pulled by smarter evil.
The new British PM is full of piss and wind, I’m guessing as she too is WEF.
If she gets any grand ideas of pulling away from the great reset as Boris did, just like him, it’ll be a choice of silver or lead.
She’ll be Shinzo’d if she plays up.

But communists don’t play well together.
Like Sunni and Shi’ite they’ll soon be fighting over who is really running the show.
Who gets the feeling that the Labor party of Australia already feel a bit put out at not being completely in charge?

Albo and a few of them will have their union thug noses put out of joint by globalist orders.

To want to tyrannically rule the world is a big ask.
It’s a fucking big world.
There’s a bit of competition for that job.
Grifters in the WEF and bureaucrats who are rich other than from their own honest efforts, are not smart. They are just without principle.
History will show that the man who saved the world was Donald Trump.
One man, unafraid to loudly speak the truth.
Supported by millions of armed , righteous westerners.
The largest militia there ever was.
Hence Biden makes threats as an enemy of those people.
Sure, many who submitted to evil will die…the jab is killing them off, but really, at the end of this, a political awakening that needed to happen, will happen.
And it is happening.
I don’t think the future looks bright for Fauci or Gates, or WEF/Davos criminals.
Biden’s speech, angry and fearful of decency and truth,was a spitting, losing, coward’s address as the plan was put into place before they got the guns from the yanks.
It’s all falling apart.
They know it.

The left, threatening a civil war in the USA, are as shit scared of having one as they possibly could be.
Piss and wind.
Bluff.
And so they should be.
That’s a lot of hope in thinking the American troops are going to go to war against their own people, be they armed or not.
That fighter jet you speak of Biden, you traitorous fucking shithead, could just as easily decide to fire on you.
So could over 200 million armed decent Americans.
Keep pissing them off at your own peril.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:19 pm

How exactly was Nuremberg an example of Western weakness?

The wealthy families that backed the Nazi’s were not penalised much.
The richest families in Germany pre WWII maintained most of their wealth, some to this day.
Even some of the ones who had asset bases in the east.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:21 pm

What was the option? Start WWIII straight after WWII? Churchill had floated that idea and no one had any appetite for it, unsurprisingly.

Most people in eastern europe equals no-one?

Struth
September 9, 2022 1:21 pm

What’s the link between gay marriage and COVID again struth?

Keep up boof head.
They’re both lies.
Bullshit fed to us by lefties to see if we’ll speak up against it.
Daring us to.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 9, 2022 1:22 pm

– Huge, insatiable and loosely controlled welfare spending – $200bn/10% of GDP;

It’s not loosely controlled.

Fair point.
It’s apparently quite closely controlled.

Just by the wrong people.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 1:22 pm

If you dismiss letting the Japan’s emperor off the hook as an act pragmatiem then same can be said for some Germans. Considering the cold war had already started.

It has merit.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 1:25 pm

From earlier this morning, and for the boatless:

Maria Zeee breaks down newly introduced Legislation in Australia allowing the United Nations to conduct interrogations inside government-run “quarantine” camps under the guise of ensuring the safety of the “detainees”, and how the Climate Change agenda is going to be weaponized against people, causing them to be detained in future.

The what? The what camps again?

The highest offices from the Vatican to Kings and Prime Ministers are filled with Communists and assorted tyrants

Inciting rebellion on the death of one of the great monarchs of this or any age. Classy.

‘For the love of all things good. For the love of hearty Aussie schnitzels, won’t somebody else rise up?’

Struth
September 9, 2022 1:26 pm

And here we see the fear and hang ups of KD on full display.
The truth upsets the toothless barfly of Darwin.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 1:27 pm

Most people in eastern europe equals no-one?

Do those people have functioning Army’s and manufacturing capacity? The USA, France and the British people would need to be on board. Second major conflict with Germany in 21 years? The idea of sorting out Russia straight after the having dealt with the Germans was never going to happen.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:29 pm

The idea of sorting out Russia straight after the having dealt with the Germans was never going to happen.

So the Poles were just suckers believing Churchill?

Struth
September 9, 2022 1:30 pm

The highest offices from the Vatican to Kings and Prime Ministers are filled with Communists and assorted tyrants

Inciting rebellion on the death of one of the great monarchs of this or any age. Classy.

His understanding of “inciting rebellion” is very much in line with Vicplod thinking (or lack thereof)
Would he be all in on handcuffing pregnant mums in their PJ’s?
Seems he would.
You only need offer criticism of our masters for this crap of “inciting rebellion” to be pulled out.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 1:30 pm

If you dismiss letting the Japan’s emperor off the hook as an act pragmatiem then same can be said for some Germans. Considering the cold war had already started.

The USA, Britain and France needed to have a somewhat functioning Germany. Unfortunately there was a quite large overlap between “experience and competent manager” and Nazi.

JC
JC
September 9, 2022 1:31 pm

feelthebern says:
September 9, 2022 at 1:19 pm

How exactly was Nuremberg an example of Western weakness?

The wealthy families that backed the Nazi’s were not penalised much.
The richest families in Germany pre WWII maintained most of their wealth, some to this day.
Even some of the ones who had asset bases in the east.

I see the point, but it’s really tricky in my opinion. Germans could argue that they had to serve the interests of the regime to survive. This applies to regular guy on the street and also the owner of BMW. Both were complicit to some extent.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:32 pm

Raises my dinner party stopper.
Who was worse, Speer or Jodl?
Speer’s twilight years were better than the life of most Eastern Europeans
Crazy old world isn’t it.

m0nty
m0nty
September 9, 2022 1:33 pm

Maria Zeee

She is literally a bug-eyed loon.

Winston Smith
September 9, 2022 1:33 pm

Feelthebern:

8.1mill punters in NSW.
Maybe we should ban cars altogether.

Don’t give the bastards any more ideas, Ftb.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:35 pm

but it’s really tricky in my opinion.

Exactly.
We know who the bad guys were in WWII.
Where it gets tricky is that good guys were only good to a point.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 1:38 pm

So the Poles were just suckers believing Churchill?

To an extent, the Poles should have seen the political reality of the situation.

Britain and France had just endured massive casualties. The USA had just been involved in two simultaneous wars, one of which had not very much to do with them.

After 5 years of brutality, everyone was going to saddle up again and get into an even more remote war against an enemy who was now at a military zenith?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 1:38 pm

Bespoke, we really shouldn’t mention Japanese emperors on the day QEII died.
It might freshen memories of British servicemen & their protest during a certain royal visit.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:44 pm

I knew an old Dutch lady who died at 98 years of age last year. She was in her late teens when the Nazis took over. She never spoke of it, ever except to say she “carried a massive wound all her life.” She didn’t persecute anyone or sign up to the Nazi Party but I think many Germans still carry a similar collective guilt.

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 1:44 pm

The highest offices from the Vatican to Kings and Prime Ministers are filled with Communists and assorted tyrants

Sure.

This has been true for many decades though. Why is particularly pressing today?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 9, 2022 1:45 pm

His understanding of “inciting rebellion” is very much in line

Look, I know you haven’t got time for this rebellion stuff yourself, St. Ruth. Working for corporate Australia drains the hours away, right? How’s the investment property going?

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:46 pm

Anyway, OT but any Cats have any idea what day Australia will have a public holiday for the Queen?

Would it be the day of the funeral???

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 1:46 pm

Has anyone ever found German records relating to “Colonel Parker”’s time in The Netherlands?

JC
JC
September 9, 2022 1:47 pm

Where it gets tricky is that good guys were only good to a point.

I can’t get over this abortion:

war started because of the attack on Poland even though the Ruskies were carving out a piece for themselves. The Western side declared war on Germany ignoring what Russia had done. At the end of the war, the West gave Poland to Russia.
How fucked up was that?

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:48 pm

The highest offices from the Vatican to Kings and Prime Ministers are filled with Communists and assorted tyrants

Having lived under the tyranny of both the Nazis and Commies (and having lost many personal friends due to religious persecution) I reckon Karol Wojtyla would probably take offence at this. Then again, he probably wouldn’t…being open to all opinions and all…

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 1:50 pm

How fucked up was that?

Definitely fucked up, but most bar fights end not because the situation has been resolved, but rather because everyone has had enough!

MatrixTransform
September 9, 2022 1:54 pm

Mehreen Faruqi:
“Condolences to those who knew the Queen. I cannot mourn a leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.”

yeah Genghis Khan gave it back
the Turks gave it back
even Britain gave it back

a Senator for New South Wales since 15 August 2018, representing the Greens

why is this silly woman moaning?

she should probably just shut up cancel herself

Dot
Dot
September 9, 2022 1:55 pm

I was totally wrong about Colonel Parker. But he was a wanted murderer, apparently.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 1:56 pm

Forced repatriation of the Pole’s after the war can not be excused with pragmatism though. Totally unnecessary and cruel.

Lysander
Lysander
September 9, 2022 1:57 pm

Reportedly, their AFL are unsure if they will give a minute silence for the Queen as Welcome to Country takes precedence.

rickw
rickw
September 9, 2022 2:00 pm

Reportedly, their AFL are unsure if they will give a minute silence for the Queen as Welcome to Country takes precedence.

Our main game is virtue signalling, but we don’t even do that very well….

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 2:00 pm

Who was worse, Speer or Jodl

Probably Jodl, but for different reasons to Speer.

Jodl was there at the start whereas Speer was a Johnny come lately to the party

There is a certain elegance to the claim of ‘only following orders’, but I think the number 1 rule is “dont lose the war’.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 9, 2022 2:01 pm

feelthebernsays:
September 9, 2022 at 1:21 pm
What was the option? Start WWIII straight after WWII? Churchill had floated that idea and no one had any appetite for it, unsurprisingly.

rickwsays:
September 9, 2022 at 1:27 pm
…The USA, France and the British people would need to be on board. Second major conflict with Germany in 21 years? The idea of sorting out Russia straight after the having dealt with the Germans was never going to happen.

Unfortunately yes – a lot could have been done but wasn’t. The time to do it was during the war. The western allies should have driven hard and fast to seize as much territory as possible to stop it falling into Soviet control. I remember reading that Montgomery wanted Eisenhower to give him control of all allied armies in the north to enable him to do it – or if it was politically impossible to appoint Monty to let Patton do it, but to get it done.
The main problem was that FDR had gone off his rocker and was sucked in by Stalin. I recall also that the French were quite happy to see Germany divided even if half was communist – understandably so. That effectively ruled out any chance of the Soviets being contained.

Struth
September 9, 2022 2:02 pm

What a load of side stepping and emotional twaddle from KD.
You need choo choo to come in now to muddy the waters KD and it’s not happening.
Where is the overly boosted bitch of McGowan?

Struth
September 9, 2022 2:04 pm

This has been true for many decades though. Why is particularly pressing today?

Dot, try not speaking just to make a noise.
There hasn’t been a communist pope before.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 2:06 pm

crank theory was nevertheless involved in the crimes punished at Nuremberg

Yes and suppression of those ideas was exploited by the Nazi’s.

Jorge
Jorge
September 9, 2022 2:06 pm

* To kick off Nuremberg, Western allies had to pretend the Nazi-Soviet non aggression pact had not been signed in 1939. After all, the Nazis and Soviets had begun WW II as allies with their invasion of Poland. Germans invaded Poland from the west, Sept 1, ‘39. Red Army came from the east Sept 17.

* USSR attacked Poland, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia. Guilty therefore as same crimes as Nazis with numerous atrocities.

* One of the key charges against German High Command was”conspiracy to wage aggressive war.” Evidence of a secret protocol between Hitler and Stalin to do the same was ruled inadmissible at Nuremberg.

* Stalin empowered a secret commission to “prevent at all costs any public discussion” of the protocol. Andrei Vyshinsky headed the secret commission but had no worries because the foreign members of the tribunal had no desire to strain relations.

* Telford Taylor,chief American counsel at Nuremberg, wrote in his Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials of the tribunal “doing its best to protect (the Soviets) from embarrassment”.

* The Soviet prosecutor Roman Rudenko facing Hermann Goering and Rudolph Hess in the dock spoke of the German invasions of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia and then …. the Soviet Union. Goering and Hess took off their headphones in disgust. Goering was scornful: ‘I did not think that they would be so shameless as to mention Poland.”
When Goering and Hess have the moral high ground you know you’re in trouble.

*Malcolm Muggeridge: “Let us hope that mankind will sometime recover sufficient equanimity to get a laugh out of the spectacle of English and American judges sitting alongside Soviet one’s, and solemnly pronouncing Germans guilty of the use of forced labour and of the partition of Poland”.
Germans, but Soviets no.

* Moscow show trial judge Iona Timofeevich was one of the presiding judges.
Robert Conquest: “Nuremberg can be pronounced defective on this basis alone”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 2:07 pm

Raising the Speer/Jodl discussion is a great way to ensure one is not invited back.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The Western side declared war on Germany ignoring what Russia had done.

Except that is not how it happened.
The western side declared war on Germany, the Soviet ‘liberation’ of eastern Poland did not occur for another fortnight.

Timelines matter.

Megan
Megan
September 9, 2022 2:08 pm

I suspect she had cancer.

Not sure if anyone else has already added this but The One Who Knows All The Insider Gossip, Lady Colin Campbell, said this morning HM had a form of bone cancer.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 9, 2022 2:09 pm

Remembering there should have been an Allies/Soviet war before WW2 started…

I cant even guess at the shape of the world if that had taken place though.

Allies and Soviets bleeding themselves with Italy and the Boxheads waiting to mop up at the end?
Or the Boxheads and Italians joining the Allies and Hitler having most of his desired territorial gains handed over as a way of containing Communism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War

During the early stages of World War II, the United Kingdom and France made a series of proposals to send troops to assist Finland against the Soviet Union during the Winter War, which started on 30 November 1939. The plans involved the transit of British and French troops and equipment through neutral Norway and Sweden. The initial plans were abandoned because Norway and Sweden declined transit through their land for fear that their countries would be drawn into the war. The Moscow Peace Treaty ended the Winter War in March 1940, which precluded the possibility of intervention.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 9, 2022 2:12 pm

Speer really grinds my gears.
The media rehabilitating him was a sign what a concerted, prolonged effort by the media can do.

bespoke
bespoke
September 9, 2022 2:19 pm

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