Open Thread – Weekend 1 Oct 2022


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Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 7:34 pm

I think it will become increasingly difficult for European political leaders to justify spending money and energy supporting the Ukraine when their own people are suffering, and potentially worse, becoming politically restless (this is already happening).

Speedbox, the European support for Ukraine is now irrelevant, with the pipelines out the gas will not be available for quite some time. I’m hoping that the people might actually work out that there are two other issues where their leaders have failed them. First, they shut down their own perfectly functional energy production and then second, they relied on a recent and possible future enemy to provide alternative energy sources.

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 7:37 pm

Surely this should change some minds in the Liberal/National leadership.

You’re forgetting that they’re bloody mongs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 7:37 pm

Crossiesays:
October 2, 2022 at 6:57 pm
It was announced that the CPAC had astronomical live-streaming statistics with just ADH recording over 750,000 and Sky News having record stats, US stats yet to be reported.

Surely this should change some minds in the Liberal/National leadership.

Why would all those Liars/Slime “entryists” in sheep’s clothing be impressed by these numbers? They will only convince them to double down.

Speedbox
October 2, 2022 7:38 pm

Dunno JC although this winter will focus European minds. The bombing of Nord 1 & 2 was an added complication which means the Germans (and others) can’t rescue a high volume of their winter gas requirements by reducing support to Ukraine. (which was the intent of the explosions)

There are so many elements in play. But we can be certain that pressure by European citizens will prompt those governments to act in forcing a negotiated peace. If their citizens become overly restive, those governments are not going to risk their very existence to appease Washington or Kiev.

The governments may respond by gently wind back their military support (offensive arms) thereby making it harder for Ukraine to defend and Russia may ramp up to 500,000 in-country soldiers……

Who knows. I can’t see a resolution this side of winter and the new year will bring only limited respite for European citizens and industry.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 7:38 pm

JCsays:
October 2, 2022 at 7:03 pm
It doesn’t matter anyway, as he’s just warming the seat for the real leader.

Matt “Green” Kean?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 2, 2022 7:40 pm

Ed Casesays:

October 2, 2022 at 5:46 pm

Dare to hazard a guess as to why Polio, a disease which had, to all intents and purposes, been eliminated in the Western World, is on the rise?

Okay, I’ll bite:
1. Polio is on the rise in the Third World

Jeffrey Dahmer answers the question which wasn’t asked.
The original question was around Polio in the USA.
My answer stayed on topic, talking about the Western World.
Jeffrey picks up sticks and moves the argument to the Third World.
Oh, and Jeffrey … Ricky Slater isn’t coming back.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 2, 2022 7:42 pm

Dot, I’ve not been on the Cat for a few days so not aware whether you were able to respond to my question.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 7:43 pm

Basically, Labor hasn’t shown any of their cards yet, so why should Peter make the running for them?

Sad. “Scotty” has been replaced by “Peter” in the Richard Cranium order of lurrrrve.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 7:44 pm

ZK2A @7:21 pm

I don’t know why the universities are agonising about the cheating methods of international student when they are so desperate to get them back after the COVID-19 lockdowns. It’s not as if we are getting the cream of the crop, the real intellectual ones are going to Oxford, Cambridge or the US Ivy League. The ones who come here are simply buying a permanent residency visa.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 7:50 pm

Crossie

Re your soccer comment:

People have already commented about this before that “Wogs” are not amused by the welcome to country puppet shows. Particularly the ones born here don’t like being “welcomed” to their own country.

I take it these will not be votes for the voice.

I will be (cynically) amused if the Voice goes down because the previously sainted “multi-culties” vote against it en masse. It will be a classic case of the PC biters being bitten by their own bastard child.

duncanm
duncanm
October 2, 2022 7:51 pm

Marvellous, thanks Albo.

Islamic State women and children to be returned to Australia from Syrian camps

.. and

It will likely pose a challenge to the country’s security organisations, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to comment publicly.

There may not be enough evidence to charge all the adults with terrorism offences, so some may be free in the community and require monitoring by Australian authorities.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 7:51 pm

Even Teena McQueen, Liberal Party Vice President, admitted at CPAC that the Teal electorates are gone forever, the the Liberal voters are elsewhere.

OhmiGod! faint stirrings of rationality in the Lieborals. What next? Actually developing some principles?

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 7:53 pm

Well if Teena McQueen gets it. It’s a good start

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 7:57 pm

Marvellous, thanks Albo.

Every refugee should have to reside in Canberra for 5 years.

It might focus these bloody idiots senses somewhat.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 2, 2022 7:57 pm

There’s a game on TV.
Seems one team of Pacific Islanders is playing another team of the same.
It’s good of the locals to show up and watch.

Roger
Roger
October 2, 2022 7:57 pm

It will likely pose a challenge to the country’s security organisations, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to comment publicly.

And yet Labor is claiming they’re following national security advice.

Someone is lying.

Best guess?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 2, 2022 7:59 pm

Even Teena McQueen, Liberal Party Vice President, admitted at CPAC that the Teal electorates are gone forever, the Liberal voters are elsewhere.

They lost the Teal Electorates due to poor candidates [Kath Deves, Josh Frydenberg, Dave Sharma, Tim Wilson, Zimmerman], replacing Mick with Joyce [electoral poison] and a clever campaign aimed at women voters and funded by Washington.
Since Zelensky [among others] is also funded by Washington, things don’t look bright for Australia.

m0nty
m0nty
October 2, 2022 7:59 pm

Anyone running the line that it was Biden’s fault that Putin invaded Ukraine is obviously dumb as a box of rocks. And no, the April ambit claim was never going to fly.

Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire. Believe him when he says it.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 8:00 pm

BA Santamaria accurately summed up the ALP decades ago- ‘this party of school teachers and left wing lawyers’.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 2, 2022 8:02 pm

Teena MacQueen sounds like a Labor Party plant.
Liberal just has to pick normal candidates, not wackos, wallies and ethnics.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 8:03 pm

Every refugee should have to reside in Canberra for 5 years.

It might focus these bloody idiots senses somewhat.

Yes after the murders of Australian citizens in Melb, Syd and Bris by ‘refugees’. I think your average canbra pubic parasite might have a quiet chuckle about it tbh. That’ll teach the skips!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 2, 2022 8:03 pm

It will likely pose a challenge to the country’s security organisations, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to comment publicly

As with Fraser’s Lebs we mushrooms will have to wait 20 years to find out this was done against Cabinet advice. Mark your diaries.

Speedbox
October 2, 2022 8:04 pm

Roger says:
October 2, 2022 at 7:22 pm
As I understand it, Speedy, Zelensky can’t sign away Ukrainian territory without a national referendum.

Yes, I believe that is correct. So the new Donbass autonomous areas (and the Crimea) will sit in limbo for a while. Hard to know. Western Ukrainians have little affinity with those of the eastern side but whether that translates to agreement to carve up the country remains to be seen.

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 8:06 pm

It will likely pose a challenge to the country’s security organisations, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to comment publicly.

Everyone gets their privacy and anonymity quashed because the imbeciles in Canberra can’t make sensible border control decisions.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 8:06 pm

My car insurance renewal popped up in my email last week and I noticed that the car is now worth $3000 more than last year. I wonder what could have caused that? Could it have been the dearth of new cars due to the world shutting down for two years? I hear people now have to wait as long as 12 months for a new car.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 8:06 pm

Yes I know Fraser was advised against that action in 1976 and that suggests it may have really been a public service in those days.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 2, 2022 8:09 pm

Penriff giving the Eels both barrels.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 2, 2022 8:09 pm

Islamic State women and children to be returned to Australia from Syrian camps
By Daniella White and Matthew Knott
October 2, 2022 — 6.58pm

Australia is preparing to overturn its policy of more than three years and launch a mission to repatriate dozens of women and children, the family members of former Islamic State fighters who have been languishing for years in squalid detention camps in Syria.

News of the impending operation, which was confirmed by security sources in Australia, has given hope to dozens of families that they will be reunited with their loved ones, some of whom who have been stuck in limbo for more than three years.

About 20 Australian women and more than 40 of their children have been living at the al-Hawl and al-Roj camps in Syria’s north-east since the fall of the Islamic State “caliphate” in early 2019.

“But we’re yet to be formally informed and we look forward to getting more information from the government,” he said. “As always, we’re ready to cooperate with the government on the process.

“If it’s true this will give vulnerable children an opportunity to be protected and consistent with what we’ve been asking for close to four years now.”

Dabboussy said he hoped to hear more about a timeline for the Australians’ repatriation and details about whether the operation would run in stages.

A spokesman for Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil said: “The Australian government’s overriding priority is the protection of Australians and Australia’s national security advice. Given the sensitive nature of the matters involved, it would not be appropriate to comment further.”

The return of some of the Australians may be controversial in Australia. It will likely pose a challenge to the country’s security organisations, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to comment publicly.

There may not be enough evidence to charge all the adults with terrorism offences, so some may be free in the community and require monitoring by Australian authorities. The government could also charge some with intentionally entering Raqqa or Mosul, which were the capitals of the so-called Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, and where it was illegal at the time for Australians to travel.

Authorities are also able to apply to a court for control orders to monitor their behaviour. The deradicalisation of children raised in appalling circumstances may also be a significant challenge. However, ASIO, other security agencies and anti-terror experts have argued that leaving children in the camps could increase the danger of them becoming radicalised and recruiting Australians online in future.

A number of the women were children themselves when taken to Syria or Iraq by their families, and others say they were duped into travelling. Dabboussy has previously said his daughter was tricked into going to the Syrian border while on holiday in Turkey in 2015. After being taken into Syria at gunpoint, her husband went to fight with IS and died three months later, just before the birth of her second child.

Save the Children chief executive Mat Tinkler, who visited the al-Roj camp in June, said the repatriation effort would be “very welcome news” for the children and their mothers in Syria.

“The possibility that they could finally be brought home to safety in Australia will be an enormous boost for their families,” he said.

“For more than three years, these children have been trapped in one of the worst places in the world to be a child and their situation has been growing increasingly desperate … They are just hanging on.”

Tinkler said the Australian children in the camps are poorly nourished, suffering from untreated shrapnel wounds and their mental health was rapidly deteriorating.

In 2018 the Morrison government organised the rescue of eight children from the Syrian camps, but it refused to launch a broader effort, despite the pleas of the Kurdish authority which is in charge of north-eastern Syria, and which has offered to help Australian authorities with the extraction.

Elaine Pearson, executive director of Human Rights Watch’s Asia division said: “Facilitating the return of these Australians arbitrarily detained in camps in north-east Syria is long overdue.”

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 8:10 pm

Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire. Believe him when he says it.

A Biden only stumbles onto the world stage once in every Poots lifetime.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 2, 2022 8:10 pm

Deacon Jones on getting the attention of assorted Teals & Liberal Party Vice Presidents:
[34 s.]

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 8:12 pm

I’ve just returned from attending CPAC here in Sydney. The conference began yesterday morning, with a lovely dinner last night and there was another full day today. I’m exhausted. The last two days have been fantastic, interesting and stimulating, and it’s so good to be among like-minded people. What were the highlights? Well, everyone who spoke was fantastic, beginning with Jacinta Price (who received a standing ovation), the one and only Nigel, Fred Pawle talking to Johannes Leak about the late great Bill Leak, Tony Abbott (who received a standing ovation), Zion Lights, Michael Shellenberger (who’s superb), Matt Canavan (always superb), Zuby (a Youtuber), James Allan (very handsome, I think I have a crush on him), Ian Plimer and many more, all fabulous (especially Shellenberger’s brutal and accurate takedown of the renewables scam), but the following are worth mentioning……

Topher Field’s “Battleground Melbourne Live”. Topher and three other Victorians stood on the stage and talked about what they experienced in Melbourne through 2020 and 2021. Many in the audience had tears in their eyes, including myself.

Malcolm Roberts gave an excellent speech, and he began his speech with a fundamental truth. He said that over the last two days he’d heard many at CPAC describe both Jacinta Price and Katherine Deves as the “bravest women” in Australia. Roberts said that whilst both women were outstanding, they weren’t the bravest women in this Australia, no, as Roberts said, that honour of “bravest woman in Australia” belongs to Pauline Hanson. Roberts then repeated what Pauline had endured over the last twenty-five years, including her imprisonment as a result of a witch hunt orchestrated by the Liberal Party. He’s right, the bravest woman in Australia is Pauline Hanson.

The most interesting session was late this afternoon when four Liberal amigos, Nick Cater, Nick Minchin, Amanda Stoker and Tina McQueen, took to the stage to speak about the “Liberal Party” and it felt as though the audience was going to erupt in violence. You could feel the anger in the room, people were booing, yelling and hissing. I can guarantee you that if some in the audience had rotten tomatoes and eggs to throw at the amigos, they would have thrown them. Bernie Finn, expelled from the Victorian Liberal Party, walked out, you could see the pain on his face (I spoke to Bernie yesterday during afternoon tea) and he only returned when the session had ended. Nick Minchin ended up by raising his voice at the audience.

I should add that I spoke to many people over the last two days and not one person I spoke put the Liberal Party as their first preference on 21 May 2022. Says it all, doesn’t it?

Can’t wait for next year.

Oh and some real fascists did turn up yesterday, a motley group of about 100 or so. NSW Plod did a good job controlling the scum. There was a big police van and about twenty police patrolling out the front of the venue with a few police stationed inside. Apparently, the fascist scum did attempt to run through one of the doors, but they were stopped by NSW plod. I suppose they desperately wanted to “punch a Nazi”, but thankfully they didn’t get through. I don’t know whether any turned up today. So much for revolutionary spirit! Where’s their ticker? You’d think that if these very middle, class hard-left revolutionaries were truly committed to fighting and punching far-right Nazis at CPAC, then they’d turn up at the crack of dawn to harass attendees such as myself but no, instead they turned up after lunch! I suppose that’s revolutionary priorities in 2022, our privileged local revolutionaries clearly need to have a cosy brunch somewhere nice like Surry Hills or Newtown, sip on oat milk latte (almond milk is passe) and munch into a vegan pastry. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and so on must be laughing in hell at these superficial bourgeois revolutionaries. I’ll say this about those evil tyrants, at least they were prepared to put in some hard yakka, our local Marxist revolutionaries, not so much.

Roger
Roger
October 2, 2022 8:13 pm

There’s a game on TV. Seems one team of Pacific Islanders is playing another team of the same. It’s good of the locals to show up and watch.

Why bring ethnicity into it?

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 2, 2022 8:14 pm

Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire.

Citation needed.

Remember the last time you tried this? IIRC, you claimed Putin said he wanted to recreate the USSR in many speeches, but you weren’t able to, y’know, actually find a quote of him saying that. You looked like an idiot then as well. I know it’s difficult to break a life-long habit, but maybe you ought to stop just making shit up and passing it off as fact because you think it sounds plausible?

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 8:15 pm

“I must attend next year.”

Yes please Crossie. I’m sure there were some Cats there. I caught up with Rafe who was there.

custard
custard
October 2, 2022 8:15 pm

+100 Cassie

You are very lucky that you could attend in person.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 2, 2022 8:17 pm

Okay, m0nts – “I’ve always wanted to lead the new Russian empire” or words to that effect. Go!

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 8:19 pm

Apparently, the fascist scum did attempt to run through one of the doors, but they were stopped by NSW plod.

I assume NSW Plod stopped them with a couple of head shots? The munty approved method.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 2, 2022 8:19 pm

Farmer Gezsays:

October 2, 2022 at 7:57 pm

There’s a game on TV.
Seems one team of Pacific Islanders is playing another team of the same.

Fiji vs Tonga.
Bro.

custard
custard
October 2, 2022 8:20 pm

BioClandestine

For those who have not read Putin’s transcript from his speech today, September 30th, 2022; I highly recommend you do so. You simply cannot trust any media outlet to give you an accurate or sufficient summary. You must read it for yourself, in its entirety. Link is here.¹

Now that you’ve read the speech, I’m going to give my takeaways and address which passages stuck out to me.

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The overall message of the speech is, Russia have reclaimed land which belonged to them only a few short decades ago. Followed by an absolute lambasting of the US/NATO a declaration of war on “Western elites” (the Deep State) and the Liberal-Globalist ideology as a whole. Putin spent a significant majority of his speech highlighting the hypocrisy of Western society and the plague it has brought upon the world.

Now, you all know my field of expertise revolves around the biolabs in Ukraine. Interesting nugget from Putin thrown in this speech, his first public acknowledgement of “Bioweapons” and “human experimentation” in Ukraine and elsewhere. In the past he has allowed UN diplomats and the Ministries of Defense and Foreign affairs to address this situation, until today.

“They call the orders and threats they make to their vassals Euro-Atlantic solidarity, and the creation of biological weapons and the use of human test subjects, including in Ukraine, noble medical research.”

It might not seem like much, but what Putin just asserted would be the two most consequential international crimes known to man. Putin just public accused the West of infringing the International Biological Weapons Treaty, as well as the Nuremberg Code. In case anyone needs a reminder for what the punishment for those crimes are…

As for the rest of the speech, Putin makes a plethora of legitimate points. Many of which sound very similar Trump’s narratives and talking points.

“Such self-confidence is a direct product not only of the notorious concept of exceptionalism – although it never ceases to amaze – but also of the real ‘information hunger’ in the West. The truth has been drowned in an ocean of myths, illusions and fakes, using extremely aggressive propaganda, lying like Goebbels. The more unbelievable the lie, the quicker people will believe it – that is how they operate, according to this principle.”

Putin accurately describes the current landscape of Western media. The overwhelming majority of the public are “information hungry” because they are being deprived of the truth. Comparing the West’s censorship and propaganda to that of Nazi Germany (Goebbels).

“Western countries have been saying for centuries that they bring freedom and democracy to other nations. Nothing could be further from the truth. Instead of bringing democracy they suppressed and exploited, and instead of giving freedom they enslaved and oppressed. The unipolar world is inherently anti-democratic and unfree; it is false and hypocritical through and through.”

Here, Putin continues to address realities that the West ignore. The Liberal-Globalists preach “freedom and democracy”, yet they do not practice what they preach. In fact they do the opposite. The Western elites are engaged in lies and deception on a global scale. Using their power as a veil to hide their horrific crimes.

“That is why politicians in Europe have to convince their fellow citizens to eat less, take a shower less often and dress warmer at home. And those who start asking fair questions like “Why is that, in fact?” are immediately declared enemies, extremists and radicals. They point back at Russia and say: that is the source of all your troubles. More lies.”

This sounds very similar to Trump speaking at a rally. The Deep State simply blame their enemies, in this case Trump and Putin, for all of the problems that they themselves created.

The playbook is about worn out. Your liberal coworker might still believe it, but the collective world are not buying it anymore.

“Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, ‘parent number one, parent number two and parent number three’ (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own.”

Sounds like a pretty reasonable and sane stance pertaining to family and children. Similar to Trump. Rejecting the preposterous and outright INSANE ideology pushed by the Liberal-Globalists. Putin doesn’t want the Russian children subject to the psychological perversion that exists here in the West. And I can assure you 90%+ of parents worldwide agree with Putin here.

“Don’t mutilate, psychologically manipulate, and/or dehumanize our children” seems like a pretty reasonable request. But the Left-wing media tells you that they are the sane ones, and Putin is the madman.

“Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.”

This passage might be the most intriguing of all. Putin addresses that the victims of the Western elites include their own citizens. Highlighting that the Deep State have an agenda to dehumanize every society and dismantle all traditional values. Calling the Western elites “pure Satanism”.

Here I believe Putin is speaking to us Western citizens. Letting us know that he knows Russia’s quarrels are not with the US/West’s People, but with the elite few who run this global crime syndicate.

Does this sound like a deranged, warmongering madman to you?

Now if you read any media outlet, they won’t include anything about the “bioweapons” passage. Some of them are touching on the Satanism, with hopes that it makes Putin appear crazy, to better fuel their narrative. The Western citizens are being fed select lines from the speech in an attempt to paint Putin in a bad light and to deter people from reading the full transcript. Otherwise people might read it for themselves and come got the conclusion that Putin is not a madman and is mankind a seriously convincing and sane argument.

Sounds EXACTLY like Trump.

In conclusion, this speech tells me Trump and Putin are on the same wavelength. And we cannot ignore that much of Putin’s speech revolved around many Q-related narratives, to include: Satanism, the “Western Elite” (Deep State), Western propaganda and Orwellian dystopia, perversion of the young, and dehumanization of all traditional values and society.

The foundation of this speech sounds similar to the main talking points at a Trump rally.

We also must take careful note of Putin and Trump never directing any hostility or negative words towards each other. All throughout this process, both Putin and Trump have remained consistent that the Deep State are to blame. Never once speaking poorly of one another.

As for where this road leads, I believe we are in a controlled psychological military operation, and both Trump and Putin are in on it. The world will be pushed to what appears to be the brink of nuclear destruction, a Cuban Missile Crisis-like event will occur, we will come out unscathed, and Trump and Putin will resolve the issue in some capacity, which will result in global support and thus a global denouncing of the Deep State/Western Elite, followed by the appropriate punishment for those responsible.

The other option is that this is not a controlled op, and we are actually on the brink of nuclear destruction, in which case we are screwed anyways.

As for HOW this unfolds? I cannot tell you. Just know that things are only going to get crazier. But the crazier shit gets, the closer we get to the finish line.

-Clandestine

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miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 8:21 pm

Thanks for the interesting report Cassie- what were people like Stoker and Minchin even doing there? At least Kemp and Howard didn’t show.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 8:23 pm

m0ntysays:
October 2, 2022 at 7:59 pm
Anyone running the line that it was Biden’s fault that Putin invaded Ukraine is obviously dumb as a box of rocks. And no, the April ambit claim was never going to fly.

Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire. Believe him when he says it.

Latest talking points email has arrived.

Roger
Roger
October 2, 2022 8:24 pm

Thanks for the interesting report Cassie- what were people like Stoker and Minchin even doing there?

Repenting in sackcloth and ashes?

No…silly me.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 2, 2022 8:26 pm

My car insurance renewal popped up in my email last week and I noticed that the car is now worth $3000 more than last year. I wonder what could have caused that? Could it have been the dearth of new cars due to the world shutting down for two years? I hear people now have to wait as long as 12 months for a new car.

Dont make the mistake of assuming that the measurement unit (the AUD) has a constant value. Indeed, even by the official inflation figures, its lost 8% in 12 months. The real figure is likely twice that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 2, 2022 8:28 pm

rickw.
Was it you saying there were suspected shenanigans with firearm licence renewals in Victoria?
Do you think it’s just a SNAFU type stuff-up or something more sinister?
I mean, are there signs they are targeting certain people?
Mine isn’t due until next year, but I am keen to keep on top of it.
I can’t remember the last time the fucking things were fired in anger – probably frightening ducks ten years ago. But it’s like MCC membership. If you give it up you’ll never get it back.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 2, 2022 8:28 pm

Penriff giving the Eels both barrels.
Do the winners get to eat the losers.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 8:29 pm

rickwsays:
October 2, 2022 at 8:10 pm
Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire. Believe him when he says it.

A Biden only stumbles onto the world stage once in every Poots lifetime.

Kerry Packer had his Alan Bond, Putin has his Biden. In terms of favourable results, there is a stronger case that Wussia would have gained more by supporting Biden in 2020 than it might have, had Putin actually supported Trump in 2016.

cohenite
October 2, 2022 8:31 pm

Anyone running the line that it was Biden’s fault that Putin invaded Ukraine is obviously dumb as a box of rocks

Putin, xi and the mullahs plus the NK mutant were doing nothing while Trump was in charge. Rocks are smart; how else did they get into the box you twerking eunuch.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 8:32 pm

suppose they desperately wanted to “punch a Nazi”, but thankfully they didn’t get through. I don’t know whether any turned up today. So much for revolutionary spirit! Where’s their ticker? You’d think that if these very middle, class hard-left revolutionaries were truly committed to fighting and punching far-right Nazis at CPAC, then they’d turn up at the crack of dawn to harass attendees such as myself but no, instead they turned up after lunch! I suppose that’s revolutionary priorities in 2022,

Cassie, just as well they weren’t as committed to the struggle as their predecessors.

As for attending next year, I will first have to rope in one of my sisters to accompany me. Before my husband died we attended everything together and enjoyed it immensely, I am not as comfortable on my own. My daughters are sympathetic but too busy with their families.

The thing is that I used to go to work functions and conferences on my own without a second thought but now I hesitate. Grief is a funny thing. Will I ever be able to blithely cruise again? One thing I do know is that it’s going to cost me double.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 2, 2022 8:32 pm

Good CPAC round-up Cassie.
Maybe the Minchin family could send Tim next time?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 2, 2022 8:34 pm

rickwsays:
October 2, 2022 at 8:19 pm
Apparently, the fascist scum did attempt to run through one of the doors, but they were stopped by NSW plod.

I assume NSW Plod stopped them with a couple of head shots? The munty approved method.

The Precautionary Principle in action? Approved by the left.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 8:34 pm

“Maybe the Minchin family could send Tim next time?”

LOL…last night at the CPAC dinner, I sat at the same table with Nick Minchin and his wife. He mentioned how he and Tim were related.

Digger
Digger
October 2, 2022 8:37 pm

Surely there is somebody else with some guts and conviction.

I don’t think so.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 8:37 pm

“As for attending next year, I will first have to rope in one of my sisters to accompany me. Before my husband died we attended everything together and enjoyed it immensely, I am not as comfortable on my own. My daughters are sympathetic but too busy with their families”

I attended alone. I wasn’t worried because I knew there’d be people I knew at the conference, also it’s really well set up, planned and safe. Next year I am happy to arrange to meet you at morning tea.

cohenite
October 2, 2022 8:39 pm

Pity this POS didn’t turn up to CPAC

Roger
Roger
October 2, 2022 8:40 pm

Penriff giving the Eels both barrels.
Do the winners get to eat the losers.

Er…really? They gave that up when they became Christians.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 2, 2022 8:46 pm

I sat at the same table with Nick Minchin and his wife. He mentioned how he and Tim were related.

There’s always one person in any family that looks like a Wookie.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 2, 2022 8:49 pm

But we can be certain that pressure by European citizens will prompt those governments to act in forcing a negotiated peace.

This is why NS1&2 were sabotaged.

Even if every German, Frenchman & Swiss brandishing pikes and carry piano wire & hooks, took to the streets tomorrow, it would achieve precisely nothing as there is no way to get the gas flowing again before the end of winter – so why would they bother?

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 2, 2022 8:49 pm

Anyone in NY, or anywhere else for that matter, who rushes off to get their polio “vaccine” hasn’t learned a single thing from the last 2+ years.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 8:50 pm

Nick Minchin does have stellar conservative credentials. When in politics, he was always a dry conservative. He was part of the anti-republic movement back in 1998 and 1999. Also, it was Minchin who, in 2010, called the spill which ousted Turdbull and installed Abbott.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 2, 2022 8:50 pm

LOL…last night at the CPAC dinner, I sat at the same table with Nick Minchin and his wife. He mentioned how he and Tim were related.

Separated at birth. No question who is on the ALPBC’s speed dial. Minchin always struck me as impressive when he did the election night stuff.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 8:50 pm

This current farce of a debacle is why I no longer follow the eggball codes.

Just bloody hopeless.

Zipster
Zipster
October 2, 2022 8:52 pm
Winston Smith
October 2, 2022 8:54 pm

DoverBeach:

Also, the Soviet counteroffensive in Dec ’41 prevented any chance of capturing Moscow. Needless to say, every winter involved a major Soviet offensive.

As you say, the German Offensive (Operation Taifun) in October 1941 which was meant to be the knockout blow to capture Moscow, commenced after the weather dropped and Germany was able to bring up supplies and troops after the autumn rains had stalled their advance.
What it did achieve was the troops were left in exposed and unsupported positions whereas had they stopped and dug in along the October line, they could have wintered in place and not suffered the near catastrophic weather related casualties.
Mind you, GROFAZ (The Greatest War Leader Of All Time) saw things differently. 🙂

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 2, 2022 8:57 pm

The most interesting session was late this afternoon when four Liberal amigos, Nick Cater, Nick Minchin, Amanda Stoker and Tina McQueen, took to the stage to speak about the “Liberal Party”

Cassie, what was it about that discussion that upset the crowd?

Rabz
October 2, 2022 8:57 pm

And Parra are in, except they drop the ball right in front of the line …

Just bloody hopeless.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 9:00 pm

Nick Minchin does have stellar conservative credentials

He also delivered an incendiary speech in the Senate (just before the first dumping of Turnbuckle) calling out the fact and evidence free anti-scientific horse manure that is gerbil worming.

m0nty
m0nty
October 2, 2022 9:00 pm

Does this sound like a deranged, warmongering madman to you?

Yes.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 9:06 pm

“The most interesting session was late this afternoon when four Liberal amigos, Nick Cater, Nick Minchin, Amanda Stoker and Tina McQueen, took to the stage to speak about the “Liberal Party”

Cassie, what was it about that discussion that upset the crowd?”

They hadn’t even started talking and you could feel the shift in the mood of the room. It was palpable. And then the four amigos started talking, and they were doing what the Liberals do so well, they were just skating around the issues of why they lost in May and when Minchin spoke….that’s when the room erupted, like Vesuvius. People in the audience started shouting, yelling, booing and hissing.

And it was on Paul Murray tonight, they showed the audience erupting! LOL Even I started booing…and I’m very polite.

When I left, after Alan Jones spoke, I ran into Nick Cater outside. Nick is a nice guy. However he looked a bit shell-shocked and I asked him if he was okay and he said yes but that he was rather taken aback about what ensued. I said…”Nick, people are very angry at the Liberal Party…and they’re right to be angry”.

Zipster
Zipster
October 2, 2022 9:13 pm
caveman
caveman
October 2, 2022 9:13 pm

My car insurance renewal popped up in my email last week and I noticed that the car is now worth $3000 more than last year.

Yep, it’s caught a lot of people out with insurance claims. Agreed value has now become less than market value.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 2, 2022 9:14 pm

More than a few Lieborals need their feet held to the fire. Insipid frauds.

caveman
caveman
October 2, 2022 9:15 pm

failed block quote

Rabz
October 2, 2022 9:15 pm

people are very angry at the gliberal Party…and they’re correct to be angry”

Yes, yes. They are. Net effing zero, FFS.

Enabled by (cue spooky muzak …) the Beetrooter. 😡

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 9:18 pm

I attended alone. I wasn’t worried because I knew there’d be people I knew at the conference, also it’s really well set up, planned and safe. Next year I am happy to arrange to meet you at morning tea.

Cassie, that is very kind of you and I may hold you to it. It is fortunate that you know so many people.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 9:22 pm

“Cassie, that is very kind of you and I may hold you to it. It is fortunate that you know so many people.”

More than happy to meet with you.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 2, 2022 9:23 pm

they were just skating around the issues of why they lost in May…Nick, people are very angry at the Liberal Party…and they’re right to be angry”.

Cassie,
I emailed their election analysis. Two things, I said, stand out for the loss:
Glasgow & the nett zero announcement.
Scummo, as the head covid totalitarian, in bed with the premiers.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 9:25 pm

“I emailed their election analysis. Two things, I said, stand out for the loss:
Glasgow & the nett zero announcement.
Scummo, as the head covid totalitarian, in bed with the premiers.”

Yep.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 2, 2022 9:25 pm

The fact that Nick Cater was seemingly surprised shows that the SFLs really do want to be the party of those “teal” seats.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 2, 2022 9:27 pm

”Nick Cater, Nick Minchin, Amanda Stoker and Tina McQueen, took to the stage to speak about the “Liberal Party”

Cassie, what was it about that discussion that upset the crowd?”

Amanda Stoker lost her Seat because she’s a lightweight and Teena McQueen reckons the Teal Seats are lost forever
Nick Minchin got Tony [the successor to Rudd] Abbott into the leadership and Nick Cater is a Labor bloke.
No wonder the audience went ballistic.

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 9:28 pm

Zipster says:
October 2, 2022 at 8:52 pm

Elon Musk reveals a humanoid robot at Tesla AI Day 2022

He suggested the robot business will be bigger than cars.
I reckon cars are a side issue to Musk. His real business is robotics and space. Robotics could be enormous.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 9:28 pm

Glasgow & the nett zero announcement.
Scummo, as the head covid totalitarian, in bed with the premiers.

on top of the Paris betrayal

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 2, 2022 9:29 pm

Kennett doubles down on criticism of Indigenous former Hawthorn players
By Najma Sambul and Roy Ward
October 2, 2022 — 7.24pm

Outgoing Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has doubled down on his claim that Indigenous former players acted unfairly in speaking to the media about allegations that senior club officials had mistreated them.

The comments came as the federal attorney-general answered questions about Hawthorn by referring to a new sporting integrity body focused on racial and cultural issues in sport. WorkSafe Victoria has also opened an investigation into the Hawthorn allegations.

Kennett said on Friday that the decision of the former players to tell their story through the ABC was “unfair to those” they had accused. And on Sunday he told radio station 3AW that the AFL “has a process in place that could have resolved this confidentially and in the interests of all parties.

“But the families, who have been involved themselves in a confidential process, went and spoke to the ABC and sadly, having asked for – and we respected the confidentiality of them and their names – they then went and named those they had grievances with. And that took the process to a different level.”

Kennett said he was confident WorkSafe would be “very impressed” with the club’s processes.

“I’m not worried about that at all, that’s just part of the process, and they’re entitled to come in and have a look. As I said, this same survey said that we are a culturally safe, sound workplace,” he said.

Winston Smith
October 2, 2022 9:30 pm

Roger:

Every region that wants to will secede.

You can be sure they’re primed to go.
Even with conventional forces Russia would be stretched trying to manage a response.

Would China decide to have a stab at overrunning Siberia and all points east of the Yenisey River?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Nick is a nice guy. However he looked a bit shell-shocked and I asked him if he was okay and he said yes but that he was rather taken aback about what ensued. I said…”Nick, people are very angry at the Liberal Party…and they’re right to be angry”.

Crikey, these drongos really don’t know why they lost.

Too many years of “We’re only 90% as bad as Labor, so you’ve gotta vote for us” & “You don’t matter” & so on.
They actually believed their own publicity.

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 9:31 pm

“Amanda Stoker lost her Seat because she’s a lightweight and Teena McQueen reckons the Teal Seats are lost forever”

What “seat” Dick Ed? Stoker never had a “seat”, she was a QLD senator who was relegated to third spot. As for McQueen, someone I’m not that fond of, she’s right about the Teal seats.
Whilst the Liberals might win a few back, the issue here is that the Liberals should never rely on wining these “teal” seats to win government.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

28-12 = Penrith by 16 points.
Lol who was the Nostradamus upthread who predicted Penrith by 18+ points?

Indolent
Indolent
October 2, 2022 9:33 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 2, 2022 9:38 pm

As for McQueen, someone I’m not that fond of, she’s right about the Teal seats.
Whilst the Liberals might win a few back, the issue here is that the Liberals should never rely on wining these “teal” seats to win government

They should contest them and campaign hard with the intent of winning them back, because I am sure more than one teal will reveal themselves to be duds.
What they shouldn’t do is push further left in the hope of snavelling a handful of inner city votes.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 2, 2022 9:39 pm

What have WorkSafe and the federal attorney-general got to do with the Hawthorn shitshow?
And a new body to deal with racial issues? A precursor to Teh Voice the cynic in me suggests. Albo is watching!

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 2, 2022 9:40 pm

Twas me Salvatore. Would have got it if Eels didn’t get 2 tries in junk time

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 9:40 pm

Indolent, whose dollar would that be? Ours, the US, Canadian, EnZed, Singaporean?

Cassie of Sydney
October 2, 2022 9:44 pm

“They should contest them and campaign hard with the intent of winning them back, because I am sure more than one teal will reveal themselves to be duds.
What they shouldn’t do is push further left in the hope of snavelling a handful of inner city votes.”

Yes.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 9:44 pm

What have WorkSafe and the federal attorney-general got to do with the Hawthorn shitshow?
And a new body to deal with racial issues? A precursor to Teh Voice the cynic in me suggests. Albo is watching!

US style race baiting- just one example of the poison imported from America.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 9:44 pm

Just realised that all major former British colonies have adopted the dollar as their currency. I expect that was to go with the new superpower once the British Empire disappeared.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 2, 2022 9:45 pm

Stoker never had a “seat”, she was a QLD senator who was relegated to third spot.

Had there been a swing to the libs she might have been re-elected from 3rd place. Except bastards like me voted below the line to put her stone motherless last.

Other than grand kids, the best part of living in Qld for the last election was who I could vote for 🙂

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Twas me Salvatore. Would have got it if Eels didn’t get 2 tries in junk time

Well done Black Ball.
I quoted you a few times during the match, to the people in the bar watching from there.
I’m now basking (undeservedly) in your glory!

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 2, 2022 9:46 pm

Russia makes the GloboHomo Empire ™ look based af

Branko Milanovic
@BrankoMilan
There are totally absurd claims (repeated by Putin today) about “conservative values” that ostensibly exist in Russia. Even the most cursory look at numbers shows it is a total nonsense. Compared to (eg) France, divorce, suicide, murder, abortion are 2-3 times greater in Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrankoMilan/status/1575917422271340544

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 9:47 pm

The US, crossie.

miltonf
miltonf
October 2, 2022 9:47 pm

Yes you can vote for Pauline. I would vote for her if I could.

Indolent
Indolent
October 2, 2022 9:53 pm

Indolent, whose dollar would that be? Ours, the US, Canadian, EnZed, Singaporean?

“The Dollar” generally connotes the US dollar. Certainly in this case.

squawkbox
squawkbox
October 2, 2022 9:55 pm

DoverBeach is betting on a Soviet winter offensive while Putin is telling his draftees to bring their own sleeping bags. Napoleon’s and Hitler’s offensives failed because of failed and extended supply lines. Now applies more to Russia than to Ukraine.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 9:57 pm

Indolent says:
October 2, 2022 at 9:53 pm
Indolent, whose dollar would that be? Ours, the US, Canadian, EnZed, Singaporean?
“The Dollar” generally connotes the US dollar. Certainly in this case.

And then it cascades to all the other ones.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 2, 2022 10:02 pm

Stoker never had a “seat”, she was a QLD senator who was relegated to third spot.
The LNP had 3 QLD Senate seats.
Stoker was the junior Senator and she lost her seat.
She was an unknown from Sydney and a Wokester, so whoever picked her for the vacancy to replace Brandis deserves a boot up the arse.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 2, 2022 10:07 pm

Pity both teams couldn’t loose.

Thankfully after tomorrow’s reporting it’s over for another year.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 2, 2022 10:19 pm

Putin has stated over and over that he has always wanted to lead the new Russian Empire.

Where did he say this, m0nts? Still waiting.

You know, there’s this website – en.kremlin.ru – it’s kind of authoritative when it comes to Putin’s speeches and stuff like that. It has a whole bunch of his speeches there, translated into English and everything! You could go there and actually get the text of what he’s been saying about this, that and the other. There’s no doubt plenty you could criticise. And then you wouldn’t have to attribute to him some old shit your stupid arse just made up; you could run with *what he actually said*! I know, it’s a novel idea. Why don’t you try it.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 2, 2022 10:24 pm

Diogenes, you are forgetting that with the summer months around the corner, we have the prancing prima donnas ready to grace stadia around the country. Australian cricketers.
I want to care, but I just can’t warm to it after the sandpaper shit in Safferland.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 2, 2022 10:28 pm

we have the prancing prima donnas ready to grace stadia around the country.

But that is not reported on with the same saturation.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Elaine Pearson, executive director of Human Rights Watch’s Asia division said: “Facilitating the return of these Australians arbitrarily detained in camps in north-east Syria is long overdue.”

… these Australians….. Wrong.They are not Australians.
.. arbitrarily detained… Wrong. They are detained for a reason, not randomly.
.. return… long overdue… Wrong. No, no & no.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 2, 2022 10:45 pm

But that is not reported on with the same saturation.
T20 World Cup here so expect such saturation that will make Tim Flannery blush

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 2, 2022 10:57 pm

Napoleon’s and Hitler’s offensives failed because of failed and extended supply lines. Now applies more to Russia than to Ukraine.

I suggest you look at a map of the region.

squawkbox
squawkbox
October 2, 2022 10:59 pm

No problem, you sleazy putinist shill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEi8CYofHMc

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 2, 2022 10:59 pm

… these Australians….. Wrong.They are not Australians.
.. arbitrarily detained… Wrong. They are detained for a reason, not randomly.
.. return… long overdue… Wrong. No, no & no.

When the “Bush War” was raging in Africa, the Rhodesian Army had an undercover recruiting office in Adelaide. The Australian authorities had no difficulty with threatening prospective recruits with being stripped of their citizenship and made “stateless persons.” Why are these people any different?

squawkbox
squawkbox
October 2, 2022 11:02 pm

One year’s service in glorious Russian special military operation, and you could get Russian citizenship, where you would doubtless be happier than in satanist tranny west. Why don’t you join up?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 2, 2022 11:06 pm

Daily Mail

Painfully embarrassing moment a groom brutally dislocates his elbow while serenading his bride with a metalcore song at their wedding

Sydney newlyweds Adam and Helen Quinn ended wedding night in hospital
Videographer captured moment groom dislocated elbow in fall on dancefloor
Bride had bolted from dancefloor moments earlier after being serenaded

cohenite
October 2, 2022 11:08 pm

Liz Truss advised King Charles to stay away from COP27 climate summit

I hoped she grabbed him by his royal cods while she said that; just to press the point in a way the inbred tard would understand.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 2, 2022 11:08 pm

No problem, you sleazy putinist shill

Charming, erudite and eloquent answer.
I said look at a MAP. On average the distance into Ukraine to the furthest Russian advance is shorter than the average distance from Ukraine controlled territory to the Uke front line.
As for your vid, if you don’t realise by now that armies are armed gangs blundering around the countryside, under equipped and mere playthings of governments, there’s no hope for you.

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 11:11 pm

Was it you saying there were suspected shenanigans with firearm licence renewals in Victoria?
Do you think it’s just a SNAFU type stuff-up or something more sinister?
I mean, are there signs they are targeting certain people?

This is the update:

LRD reckon that they sent renewal documentation and then three reminder letters. I received none of them, I only received the license cancellation letter. Seems kind of odd that of all the ones supposedly sent, I only get the last one.

For the two previous renewals, I realised I hadn’t received the documentation and chased them. After they resent them I received them.

My feel is that they have a glitch in their system. Will generate for cancellation and if someone pushes for resend, but doesn’t work reliably otherwise.

Frankly none of this is surprising. They’re in the business of trying to maintain vast amounts of useless and inevitably inaccurate data.

They are also apparently snowed under. I think a combination of COVID work from home backlog. Plus a lot of people realising they need guns and ammo, before Dickhead Dan suspended gun and ammo sales, there seemed to be a lot of newbie’s in the gun shops.

The issue of course could simply be Australia Post, which as we know is also useless. The issue could also be the assisted living joint at the end of the street, we have a good history of parcels and letters being stolen. In that case incredibly unlucky that the managed to nail almost all letters from LRD.

In a case such as this, LRD says they will lodge a formal investigation request with Australia Post. Although LRD already knows that they’re fundamentally unreliable as they strongly recommend returns by registered post or email.

As I am overseas the electronic means of completing the extension application is unavailable as you can only access with an Australian ISP.

This can therefore only be fixed by a manual re-application for a license which means I need to get a firearm dealer mate to go to my joint, gain access to the safes, pick them up and write them into as dealer returns. This little exercise will cost just short of $1k because I will pay him for time and petrol and I had to buy a shitload of rifle bags.

All this needs to be done within the next 5 days.

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 11:14 pm

Oh, and the costs assume that I don’t need to get a locksmith involved which is not a certainty at this stage.

cohenite
October 2, 2022 11:19 pm

“”Telling the truth should be above politics, and the former chair of the War Memorial, Brendan Nelson, initiated this project several years ago.”
She added: “Even though it is painful, knowing more about our past will help us forge a stronger future together.” ‘
~~
Henry Rainger’s opinion:
Trouble is, many box tickers can’t handle the truth.
They desperatly want to believe that Aboriginal people resisted colonisation and fought wars to prevent it.
They did not.
Most voluntarily ‘came in’ (to live near or with White people) because they saw how much easier we lived.
Not having to go out hunting every single day, rain hail or shine, and often returning empty-handed and leaving it all to the women to provide a meal after they had spent many hours digging for roots and grubs and/or collecting seeds from grasses to mash into a damper to cook.
As (Left) anthropologist, W E H Stanner, wrote from his experiences with Aboriginal people from the 1930’s onwards;
“Eventually, for every Aboriginal who, so to speak, had Europeans thrust upon him, at least one other had sought them out.
More would have gone to European centres sooner had it not been that their way was often barred by hostile Aborigines.
As late as the early 1930’s I was able to see for myself the battles between the encroaching myalls and weakening, now sedentary groups who had monopolised European sources of supply and work.
Nowhere, as far as I am aware, does one encounter Aborigines who want to return to the bush, even if their new circumstances are very miserable.
They went because they wanted to, and they stay because they want to.
The pathetic fallacy has much corrupted our understanding of this process. Our thinking is far too affected by the cases where violent secondary causes – gross neglect, epidemic disease, extreme malnutrition, punitive expeditions, and the like – in some mixture, wiped out whole peoples or left wretched groups of survivors.
So strong are these paradigms of sentiment that we project them onto large surviving groups of Aborigines not now meeting these extremes.
We fail to grasp the zest for life which animates them because we did not see it in those who died so miserably.”
W E H Stanner
The Boyer Lectures
The Dreaming and Other Essays.
Noel Pearson said, “Stanners essays still hold their own amongst this countries finest writings on matters black and white.:
Henry Reynolds said, “He always had important things to say, which have not lost their relevance. It is wonderful that they will now be available to a new and larger audience.”

squawkbox
squawkbox
October 2, 2022 11:20 pm

Thank you Eyrie. I’m not sure whether your comment is positive or negative, but I do agree. Yes, when undersupplied, armies are armed gangs. Russia is trying to supply its army with an economy the size of Italy’s. The US, UK and EU can supply Ukraine with ten times the resources without breaking a sweat.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 2, 2022 11:21 pm

Z2ka

Why are they special?

Vagina magic.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:22 pm

Optus data hack – 9 million users in Australia.

Equifax data hack – 143 million users in the US.

When does the next hack drop?

You would have to be completely brain dead not to suspect a conspiracy.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 11:26 pm

Why are they special?

moozleys. Loathsome Jew hating psychopaths who are collectivists’ preferred attack dogs, especially since 9/11.

The three most ridiculous and disastrous idiotologies in human history, ranked in order of destructiveness:

moozleyism
collectivism
nayzeeism

Rabz
October 2, 2022 11:28 pm

Optus data hack – 9 million users in Australia

Crossie – that “business report” carnival barker on Sky was squawking 10 million this morning.

Thank goodness I’m not among them.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:28 pm

I’m watching Chris Smith ridiculing Monique Ryan’s ‘put a mask on’ instruction. It’s quite simple really, if she were a good doctor she would still be practicing but she is a hypocrite so she is now in her real profession, politics.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 2, 2022 11:29 pm

Stupid daylight saving. It’s only 2200 here.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:31 pm

Rabz says:
October 2, 2022 at 11:28 pm
Optus data hack – 9 million users in Australia
Crossie – that “business report” carnival barker on Sky was squawking 10 million this morning.

Thank goodness I’m not among them.

Rabz, sadly I am. I got an email from Optus that my driver’s licence info has been hacked so now I have to get another one.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 2, 2022 11:34 pm

Stupid daylight saving. It’s only 2200 here.

Western Australia has rejected daylight saving at referendum four times. The latest among the millennials is that there should be another referendum so THEY can have THEIR say. Fvck off, your elders and betters have made the decision.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 11:34 pm

Stupid daylight saving

I was expounding this at 9:00am, oh sorry, 10:00am this morning.

Joh Jelke-Product was right. St Ruth’s cows will be mooing outside the windows even earlier and the damage to the drapes will be irreparable. 😕

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:35 pm

I have had the same driver’s licence info for decades and now, because of some diversity Optus hire, I have to get a new driver’s licence altogether. I really resent that.

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:36 pm

I can’t believe the government is going after Optus in the worst possible way. Oh yes I can as it’s the Liars after all.

Optus is the party injured by a criminal act. Blaming Optus is like blaming someone for being an injured party to a specific crime.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:40 pm

Rabz, I always found the fading curtains reason very laughable but apparently it was/is a thing among some demographics. Now if they went with the biological clock argument they would have my vote. I hate the switches both in April and in October.

Crossie
Crossie
October 2, 2022 11:43 pm

Optus is the party injured by a criminal act. Blaming Optus is like blaming someone for being an injured party to a specific crime.

JC, blaming Optus is fine simply because they did not take proper, or any, security measures. There are even more users at Telstra so why didn’t it happen to them? My guess would be because they have better security measures.

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:44 pm

What’s going on with Credit Suisse?

The investment banking side is donesky by the looks of things. I really don’t get it though. It’s not as though they’ve taken a huge whack orthat a large portion of their assets are criticized. Over the last couple of years they’re suffered from a constant stream of reputationally damaging losses but not big ones.. That big-eared inbred looking Queensland farmer dickhead who thought he invented the wheel is one example. They will need to be restructured and recapped. The Swiss National bank won’t let them go because a decent portion of the Swiss economy is banking related services. Stop worrying, Dover. Your billions are safe in Zurich. 🙂

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:46 pm

Crossie

Every single computer system in the world that isn’t closed to the outside world is “hackable”. How do we know Optus was negligent?

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 11:46 pm

Robotics could be enormous

Robotics is already enormous.

I can’t really see a massive second wave of productivity from robots that can walk and which have approximately human dimensions.

The robot heavy lifting is already being done by robots that are bolted to the floor and which can bench press a ton.

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:47 pm

There are even more users at Telstra so why didn’t it happen to them? My guess would be because they have better security measures.

We can’t say that until we know. Optus was the victimized party. They weren’t the crooks.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 11:49 pm

Crossie – the switch in April is a hell of a lot easier than the one in Schlocktober.

Although at the risk of sounding like a philistine, I love daylight saving. Being able to get home from work in bright light is always a joy. Getting home from work in winter in the pitch black is always a downer – and yes, I’m aware of the fact that because of the seasons there’s only a certain amount of light to go around.

Anyway, here’s some Marvin – enjoy, Cats! 🙂

rickw
rickw
October 2, 2022 11:50 pm

you twerking eunuch

Terribly accurate. Terrible imagery.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
October 2, 2022 11:50 pm

West Aussies dont need daylite savin’ cos Asia sets there clocks to Perth time. Stupid daylite saving…

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:50 pm

Rickw

Nearly all physical toil done by humans now will be done eventually by robots. And yes, there’s even more that those bolted to the floor can do. It’s not over.

Rabz
October 2, 2022 11:57 pm

Nearly all physical toil done by humans now will be done eventually by robots

Well, could they hurry up and start doing it, please – bloody chores.

OK, one might be able to derive a certain sort of banal satisfaction from gardening, for example, but seriously – ironing?

Anyway, here’s some Miss Planet, while you’re contemplating these profound concepts, Cats.

JC
JC
October 2, 2022 11:59 pm

OK, one might be able to derive a certain sort of banal satisfaction from gardening, for example, but seriously – ironing?

I said most. Lot’s of shirts/clothes these days are wrinkle free anyway.

JC
JC
October 3, 2022 12:00 am

Whoops

I said “nearly all” which is kind of “most”.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
October 3, 2022 12:02 am

I wonder if AI can make a ‘perfect’ cup of coffee , cos Perth has the highest priced , shittiest coffee in Australia.

Rabz
October 3, 2022 12:09 am

some diversity optus hire

That “business report” carnival barker on Sky featured not one but two Shloptus Diversity Hires on his weekly schreechfest about two months ago(?).

The second hire being one Beryl Gladyschlocklian, proving that it isn’t just big fat utterly useless hideously uglee massive coronaries waiting to happen mansplainers that are capable of failing upwards.

At our expense, of course (again). 😕

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2022 12:10 am

rickw at 11:11.
Thanks for that.
So leaning towards cock-up rather than conspiracy?
I will make sure I document and trace my renewal and get in early.
I don’t want to get on their radar.

JC
JC
October 3, 2022 12:11 am

Okay, and how does that explain Optus wasn’t the victim of a major crime?

Rabz
October 3, 2022 12:12 am

JC – Shane only ever presents “ironing free” materials when I’m in for a new shirt pattern.

JC
JC
October 3, 2022 12:18 am

Looks like a piker’s website. Try this one. They have great shirts.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Knuckle Dragger says: October 2, 2022 at 11:29 pm
Stupid daylight saving. It’s only 2200 here.

Quite a few of the staff turned up an hour early for breakfast this morning. Heh heh heh!
Get’s ’em every time, especially those who rely on their phone to tell the time, or those who’re from countries that change their clocks a coupla times a year & assume everybody does it.

Brokeback Mountain time is a feature of the deep south only. It is only one quarter of the country that opts in to this… curtain saving feature.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 12:22 am

DeSantis:

Don’t loot, we’re a 2A state!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H964B8GFa3U

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2022 12:31 am

PS rickw.
We had similar Australia Post issues here for a while.
I swear to God, I think the postie was either dyslexic and/or was just looking at surnames and delivering the mail to where he thought they might live.
Lasted for about six months. We had two things delivered to us which the postie had delivered elsewhere (who knows if other stuff went totally missing) and had three wrong deliveries in our mailbox.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2022 12:33 am

Dover.
Can we have a dedicated menswear thread?

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 12:34 am

Flood damaged vehicles from
Florida rolling into auctions. Of course a salt water swim vehicle in Australia is a Statutory Write Off. Well you know, because someone might break a fingernail or stub a toe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_c4LbhHv0g

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

We had two things delivered to us which the postie had delivered elsewhere (who knows if other stuff went totally missing) and had three wrong deliveries in our mailbox.

Likewise.
We’d get about 20 items of mail per year that are clearly for another address. About half a dozen of these are parcels.
Annually about six spare parts (or similar) never arrive & are “known unto God”.
I always wonder if they’re wrongly delivered & either thrown out or kept by whoever received them.
Every blue moon a parcel comes from the Post Office clearly marked by someone else in town with something like “How about you try the address on the label”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2022 12:40 am

rickwsays:

October 3, 2022 at 12:34 am

Flood damaged vehicles from
Florida rolling into auctions. Of course a salt water swim vehicle in Australia is a Statutory Write Off.

That is what I don’t get.
Hail damaged vehicles can be bought but are uninsurable.
Why can’t they be insured with further hail damage or minor panel damage as an exclusion?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The flog quoted here is the Mayor of Brisbane:

“Thirty years ago [was] the last time that Queensland has had the opportunity to experience daylight saving,” Mr Schrinner said.
“A large percentage of the Queensland population has not had the opportunity either to experience it in person to have a trial

This tool doesn’t realise he’s right on the border with NSW & anyone wanting to “experience” daylight saving can slip over to Tweed Heads to absorb some Daylight Saving goodyness.

Be aware: Daylight Saving means you lose one hour of surfing time in the morning.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 3, 2022 12:44 am

Can we have a dedicated menswear thread?

Just one for cardigans would be fine. Bow tie discussions on weekends only.

Crossie
Crossie
October 3, 2022 12:46 am

OK, one might be able to derive a certain sort of banal satisfaction from gardening, for example, but seriously – ironing?

Rabz, I find ironing rather soothing and can do it while watching TV. It’s so mechanical and doesn’t entail any intellectual effort. I even volunteer to do my daughter’s ironing.

Rabz
October 3, 2022 12:46 am

Paradise, a Shangri-La, as it was before collectivists blundered in and destroyed it all. 😕

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 12:47 am

We had two things delivered to us which the postie had delivered elsewhere (who knows if other stuff went totally missing) and had three wrong deliveries in our mailbox.

There’s a street of the same name in the adjacent suburb, geographically we’re quite close, we send back their mail with the suburb underlined, never get anything going the other way. Fuck knows, it’s Australia Post.

The only upside to this is that the cops didn’t turn up at the home, charge me in absentia with unlicensed firearm possession, and then confiscate the lot using a 9” angle grinder.

All because some fucking Mong at LRD or AP can’t do they’re job. As I said when I first posted on this, Australia is a bureaucratic hellscape.

My mate with the retaining wall issue has gone very quiet. My guess is that the fucking council Mongs have actually managed to slug him with $200k worth of retaining wall remediation, despite having approved the plans for the house that the retaining walls support. Bureaucratic hellscape.

Rabz
October 3, 2022 12:51 am

they have great shirts

I get my shirts tailored from the cloth, after meticulously choosing the latter, Squire.

Sacré bleu!

One of the saddest events in my life was when Trevor Cohen told me he’d retired. The man was a prodigy. His attention to detail will never be surpassed.

Rabz
October 3, 2022 12:54 am

“The joys of daylight saving”

Which I will not be uttering tomorrow at about 10:00am. 🙁

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 12:58 am

I get my shirts tailored from the cloth, after meticulously choosing the latter, Squire.

My tailor:

https://dress-for-success.com/

We need a menswear thread!

(They do mail order, I just get them to go off my last measurement, Victor has an incredible memory, I walk into the shop after not having been there for 2 years and with a slight delay says “Hi Rick”)

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 12:59 am

And yes, they have made suits for the Bushes and Obama. Not sure about Trump.

Rabz
October 3, 2022 1:02 am

LOL, Rick.

My suit tailor.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 1:04 am

Hail damaged vehicles can be bought but are uninsurable.
Why can’t they be insured with further hail damage or minor panel damage as an exclusion?

The whole thing’s a mess, as a bit of fun I was fixing repairable write off BMW’s, it just kept getting harder and harder, from Lebs getting in your face at auctions, to the need for forensic detail and recording on the repairs completed. Gave up in the end.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 1:10 am

LOL, Rick.

I think my tailors more deep state than yours! 😉

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2022 1:16 am

Australia has the highest death rate per capita from COVID in the world.

People need to hang for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-xhtvwnlw

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 3, 2022 1:17 am

I’m lucky enough to be able to buy suits off the peg… so far. Every gent from every walk of life needs three suits- black, blue and Glen Urquhart grey- and a day kilt set if Scots at all.
Calli- donia-
if you’re rained in, it’s worth ducking into a “thrift shop” just in case there’s a kilt in your tartan to be had for a tenner.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2022 1:21 am

Just one for cardigans would be fine. Bow tie discussions on weekends only.

Windsor knot until 7:00 pm (6:00 pm in Queensssland), bow-tie after that, and cravats on the weekend.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 3, 2022 1:41 am

The cardigan is a much maligned piece of clothing. Luckily I’m old enough not to care what other people think.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 3, 2022 1:48 am

… cos Perth has the highest priced , shittiest coffee in Australia.

It is expensive. I’m not convinced it is any worse than the rest of Australia. It is rare that you get a truly undrinkable cup of coffee any more. Much the same with wine IMO. Couldn’t say the same in the late 70s.

Jannie
Jannie
October 3, 2022 2:07 am

rickwsays:

Australia has the highest death rate per capita from COVID in the world.

People need to hang for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-xhtvwnlw

I would settle for life imprisonment but it’s beyond outrageous. My assessment is that they have all been promoted and with one or two exceptions, re-elected.

Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
October 3, 2022 4:13 am
min
min
October 3, 2022 4:25 am

Thanks Tom need some laughter at the moment, cladding rectification starts today . Followed by the fixing of all the building faults . They have conned all the oldies here with fear mongering , intimidation and black mail. And an opened ended tender signed as they cannot estimate how much building faults will cost . We have a six million Bill for cladding .alone.

.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 3, 2022 5:43 am

Thanks Tom. I can’t say there’s much to laugh at here, or in the world generally. But there’s a certain amount of sanity in some of the perspectives: Steve Kelley does it for me.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 3, 2022 5:51 am

Equifax data hack – 143 million users in the US.

Google who they bought in Australia.
Your data aint that safe.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 3, 2022 6:41 am

Joy Reid has a lot of form when it comes to deranged statements about conservatives. Tucker Carlson calls her “the race lady” and true to form she’s at it again, trying to smear the second most popular conservative in the USA, De Santis.
Joy says when he talks about looters and the second amendment he’s saying all looters are black. Did he say “if you ain’t lootin’ you ain’t black”? Did Joy go all out on Joe Biden for saying something similar about black voters?
She could plead insanity and it would be credible. But otherwise she qualifies on the basis of a long record of statements, as evil.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 3, 2022 6:42 am
Anchor What
Anchor What
October 3, 2022 6:52 am

What does Daylight Saving achieve except staying sunnier during the home commute or giving more time for gardening in the evening – or ironing without having to turn on a light?
It’s pretty useless actually.

Dot
Dot
October 3, 2022 7:11 am

Nick Minchin does have stellar conservative credentials

Then who wants those credentials?

I remember him defending a lack of tax cuts because “tax cuts will cause inflation”.

Imbecile.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 3, 2022 7:12 am

If you think the USA will be rescued by the outcome of the half term elections in a few weeks, you are an incurable optimist.
Hope for the best, but accept that the forces working towards a bad outcome have damaged that place badly, and will continue to disintegrate it.

Dot
Dot
October 3, 2022 7:12 am

more time for (insert activity) in the evening

Yes.

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