Open Thread – Weekend 26 Nov 2022


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Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 8:17 am

The Lib strategist last night on the ABC talked about female quotas, …
Tony Barry.
He appeared to be dazzled by his own wonderfulness.
Sure, they’ve lost Doctors Wives types to the Teals in the affluent suburbs, but the solution isn’t running female candidates in non Affluent Suburbs.
… and David Davis said the party should recruit more Asians.
They’ve already tried running Asians, it hasn’t worked.
Asian politics is authoritarian, that’s a natural fit with Labor.

Man, that is going to be a painful conversation. So many mediocre white men will have their political futures written off.
There’s no mediocre Asians, though, they’re all Superman, right?

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 8:17 am

Indolentsays:
November 27, 2022 at 8:15 am
Brainwashing is more like it.

Evidence Grows Proving That Transgenderism Is a Social Contagion

Just like homo’s. It is always a choice.

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 8:20 am

I actually now do wish hardship on the young.

It’s coming, beginning next year for many of them according to the RBA. They only have to read this;

https://www.afr.com/wealth/personal-finance/interest-rate-shock-just-around-the-corner-20221122-p5c0gr

And with that much disposable income taken our of Australia’s economy, many businesses will be cutting way back just to survive. Quite clearly, the interest rate hikes thus far are yet to be felt.

“Almost one-third of borrowers will have their free cash reduced by between 40 per cent and over 100 per cent.

This presages a huge reduction in household spending if the RBA gets to a 3.6 per cent cash rate next year. Note that this is actually slightly below current market pricing, which anticipates a higher 3.85 per cent terminal cash rate by mid-2023.

“National house prices are falling at a record 14 per cent annual rate based on the last three months of data from CoreLogic,

This is a secondary channel through which monetary policy affects behaviour – via a huge negative wealth effect.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:21 am

vlad reduxsays:
November 26, 2022 at 10:11 pm
I believe I saw the treasurer on tv earlier tonight telling me they’d be back in surplus by 2025

Dan campaigned on that – his election ads said it: he’s bringing the budget back to surplus with no cuts or closures.

So now we’ll see that happen. Er, yeah.

Did he mention increasing taxes and state charges?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 8:21 am

The Nats have picked up three seats in the election because they stick with the local issues that win seats and stay clear of the Barnaby crew.

Shepparton and Mildura from independents and Morwell from Labor.

Lib Louise Staley lost Ripon to Labor after the VEC managed to add a big swag of Ballarat bogans into the seat and turn in into a nominal ALP seat while extending Lowan into the West side of Ripon to make it an ever safer Nats seat.
Funny how that happens.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 8:24 am

David Davis also mentioned establishing the Liberal Pride Branch.
You’ve gotta laugh at how outta touch that is.
I mean, I can’t join a Liberal State or Federal Branch outside the Electorate I live in because Branch Stacking but there’s a fucking Pride Branch?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 8:24 am

Mak Siccar says:
November 27, 2022 at 7:57 am

To those inhabiting this blog that have (peer) reviewed academic papers, or had their own papers peer reviewed, this is a long read but, as always, thought provoking. Well worth digesting imho.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2022/11/24/cleaning-the-augean-stables-part-i/

Peer-review: Time to get rid of it

‘There seems to be no study too fragmented, no hypothesis too trivial, no literature citation too biased or too egotistical, no design too warped, no methodology too bungled, no presentation of results too inaccurate, too obscure, and too contradictory, no analysis too self-serving, no argument too circular, no conclusions too trifling or too unjustified, and no grammar and syntax too offensive for a paper to end up in print.’

Drummond Rennie.

Somewhat damning?

It supports my considered opinion that medical research died decades ago. It is now populated by the undead to become, what could best be called, ‘Zombie science’. Or, possibly, the walking dead.

Peer-reviewer: ‘You’re a liar.’

Researcher: ‘No, you’re a bloody liar.’

and

A.N. Idiot: ‘Something must be done.’

A.N. Other Idiot: ‘Here’s something, let’s do that.’

Me: Sigh. ‘With or without any evidence that it works?’

Further Idiot: ‘Evidence, we don’t need evidence. It is obvious that this will be effective.’

All idiots together: ‘Well, that’s good enough for me.’

Eyrie
Eyrie
November 27, 2022 8:25 am

Australians are meek and will acquiesce
We knew that in 1996 with the supercilious little shit Howard’s gun buy back.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 8:26 am

Not so sure Albo is overjoyed with TaliDan.
Chalmers won’t want to pick up the tab for Dan’s public transport debt or relish the inflationary pressures of unchecked and uncompetitive state government spending.

Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 8:26 am

We’ve seen this before but it’s totally appropriate today.

James Melville
@JamesMelville
Two markedly different versions of Stockholm Syndrome.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:27 am

m0ntysays:
November 26, 2022 at 11:32 pm
The basic analysis of the Vic election is that the Libs got a massive swing among working class north and west satellite suburbs, as befits their descent into racism and cookerism…

m0nty=fa condemns the working class as descending into “racism and cookerism”.

The Liars have hated the working class for years, but have now let their hatred out into the open.

cohenite
November 27, 2022 8:29 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
November 27, 2022 at 8:05 am

All correct; BUT, how many lessons do the gutless libs need? We’ve had scomo, WA, SA and now victoristan. Has the penny dropped yet? You bet it hasn’t. NSW will be a debacle with the gutless libs reduced to a rump with matt kean opposition leader for life.

The only solution is either a massive takeover of little johnnie’s broad church or some minority party rising to take the place of the gutless libs. Incidentally how did the minority parties go in victoristan?

Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 8:29 am
Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 8:30 am
Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 8:31 am

I didn’t watch any coverage of the election last night, I only looked at the Oz website about 9.30 after someone texted me to say that the Vic results weren’t good. If I’d watched any coverage, I would have watched Sky. I hear Credlin was furious and spoke up, but the thing is, her speaking up and being furious is all too little too late. She was part of the problem back in 2013, 2014 and 2015. She, along with Abbott, participated in the groundwork which now sees the Liberal Party unelectable and losing elections. They kowtowed and they capitulated.

I have a feeling the likes of Credlin and some others in the Coalition read this site on occasion. They know what’s wrong with the party. However, until they start to speak up about the climate con, nothing will change…..you simply cannot parrot the left and win elections. A month or two ago C.L., on his site, basically said that a party with any spine needs to call out the climate scam, the climate cult, the climate hysteria and so on and be prepared to sit back and weather defeat for two or three election cycles and when the blackouts and deprivation hits bigtime, and the electorate mood changes, only then will they start to win. In the meantime, what point is there voting for a so called “Liberael” right of centre party that…

1. legislates abortion up to nine months.

2. supports and legislates euthanasia.

3. defends child mutilation.

4. refuses to speak up about biological reality.

5. refuses to defend religious freedom.

6. refuses to defend free speech.

7. simply apes the left on any social and economic issue.

?

As far as I’m concerned, there isn’t any point.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 8:32 am

… and David Davis said the party should recruit more Asians.
How does that work?
There’s 3,000+ Castes in India.
Whoever the Liberals pick, Labor has only gotta fund another one as an Independent preferencing Labor and it’s Game Over.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 8:33 am

Funny how that happens.

Is that the same VEC which announced an investigation into the Liberals nine days before the election?

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:33 am

Wow, what a ridiculous take. Leaving aside the nonsense about ‘racists’ and ‘cookers’ in the West, the idea that the Libs and in particular Guy was “abandoning normies and appealing to working class voters” has no basis in reality. If Guy exemplifies anyone from the US it’s Mitt Romney.

Dover

m0nty=fa’s reactions demonstrate (if demonstration were needed) that he is incapable of original thought, but simply regurgitates leftard talking points.

As befits someone who failed Economics 1, became a j’ismst, and runs a fantasy website. Clown world personified.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 27, 2022 8:34 am

Climate hysteria is firmly embedded in the heads of so many Victorians , not just the young, not just the dumb. Many otherwise sane adults i spoke to are locked in with climate emergency guff. The relentless wave of climate narrative was is and will be an effective factor in voting influences. Its beyond one leader persuading voters it is no threat. This situation will unfortunately require policies to address. A pointless, expensive shift of resources for little or no return. But here we are. Welcome to Victoria the socialist state.

Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 8:35 am
Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:36 am

m0ntysays:
November 27, 2022 at 12:28 am
Who cares if the Greens won on Lib preferences?

Labor cares, they see the threat that you are too blinded by hubris to see.

After hubris comes nemesis.

Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 8:38 am

So what. People are suffering far more from the government response than from the disease.

China reports third consecutive daily record for new COVID-19 cases

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 8:38 am

Incidentally how did the minority parties go in victoristan?
Some of them won Upper House Seats, but since it’s Glenn Druery’s 4 year Lottery Draw now, they’ve got 4 years to do some scummy deal with Labor before they disappear.
In the Lower House about 10 Parties split 15% of the vote.

duncanm
duncanm
November 27, 2022 8:39 am

m0ntysays:
November 26, 2022 at 11:45 pm
Again, zero blowback from COVID lockdowns. No one who wasn’t already voting against Labor changed their vote over it.

the wrongologist strikes again.

Have a look at the results and tell us again there was no swing state-wide against the ALP.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 27, 2022 8:40 am

I believe it is customary at this point to send victims (in this case, Victorians):

Thortsenprairs

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 8:40 am

I’m so over politics and politicians this morning…

We both felt like this last night. Australia is heading for ruin. As is Europe.

We’re heading for Singapore Jan 2nd, booked the tickets at midnight, will stay there overnight for a break, and then booked to continue on to London. Attending Hairy’s stepmother’s funeral there. Will report briefly on Singapore as a bolt hole, and then on to London in the coldest part of winter. Wonder if there will be power for the lights and heating. Will report on how the Brits enjoy this prospect, will regard all as lost if they are going on about mustn’t grumble.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 8:42 am

LONG COVIDIANS LONGING FOR IVERMECTIN

What comes after covid for many people is long covid. Long covid is debilitating but presents as a combination of different symptoms.

The common condition of all long covid cases is fatigue which is likely due to microclots in the blood.

All long covid cases have microclotting which makes the blood too viscous to pass easily through the smallest capilliaries with the consequence that the organs and muscles are starved of oxygen.

A group in Germany has developed a test for microclots but it hasn’t been commercialised yet.

Treatment of covid is complicated by the fact that the ultimate possible progression of the disease has yet to play out, which is decline of CD4 levels in the manner of HIV, allowing opportunistic infections to overwhelm the immune system.

It would be good to establish a base line for things like CD4 levels so that a trend, should it develop, be recognised as soon as practicable.

Another problem in treating covid is that, as yet, there is no commercially available test for live covid virions.

The public perception is that covid virions are eliminated from the body between bouts of covid.

Autopsies of people of people who have died after covid have found covid virus in a number of organs up to 200 days after the infection.

At one stage in the evolution in the virus, sampling of sewage found a high level of the Delta variant when the Omicron variant had displaced Delta completely from nasal swab samples.

This implies that Delta had found a home in the gut lining, most likely the immunoprivileged gut-associated lymphatic tissue.

This has implications for a long covid treatment protocol. The persistance of fatigue in long covid suggests that the microclots are continually being formed by the ongoing viral load, offsetting the clot dissolution process.

To reduce fatigue requires the use of a molecule that binds to the virus to inactivate it.

Import of that molecule to Australia is currently banned, as is Australian doctors prescribing it. The name of that molecule? You will find it in this recent headline:

The FDA is now in full retreat on ivermectin because they are being sued over their recommendation. The internet is full of anecdotes of people’s lives being saved by it, such as this:

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 8:49 am

The relentless wave of climate narrative was is and will be an effective factor in voting influences.

Only 12% thought it was a serious issue. The COL was the clear stand out with near 30%.

In Vicco, many jobs either directly or indirectly are tied to the Govt or spending by the Govt. And after the economic disaster of Dan’s covid lockdowns, people are very sensitive to job security. Especially now with mortgage costs on the rise while inflation runs riot. Dan’s spending will increase. So fear, fear of change was more dominant than the scam of climate change. A scam that in Vic generates shitloads of those jobs.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 8:50 am

m0nty=fa condemns the working class as descending into “racism and cookerism”.
He didn’t say that, but he did say the Liberals had pitched for White voters in the West.
White people are the Electoral Moby Dick, but promising then not delivering is the way to oblivion, as Trump found out.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 8:51 am

Indolentsays:
November 27, 2022 at 8:38 am
So what. People are suffering far more from the government response than from the disease.

China reports third consecutive daily record for new COVID-19 cases

Can someone explain to me why China is so viciously locking down when these daily figures are not much different to NSW at its height after lockdowns?

BEIJING: China reported 35,183 new COVID-19 infections on Nov 25, of which 3,474 were symptomatic and 31,709 were asymptomatic, the National Health Commission said on Saturday (Nov 26), setting a new high for the third consecutive day.

That compared with 32,943 new cases a day earlier – 3,103 symptomatic and 29,840 asymptomatic infections, which China counts separately.

Excluding imported cases, China reported 34,909 new local cases on Friday, of which 3,405 were symptomatic and 31,504 were asymptomatic, up from 32,695 a day earlier.

There were no deaths, keeping fatalities at 5,232. As of Friday, mainland China had confirmed 304,093 cases with symptoms.

P
P
November 27, 2022 8:51 am

Philippa Martyr: It’s Advent: Happy New Year!
By Philippa Martyr -November 27, 2022

On a more personal note, this year’s annual Advent shame-cleaning (Schamreinigung) of my house is tinged with some sadness, because it’s our first Christmas as orphans. My sister and I hosted our parents for Christmas lunch for the last 11 years.

We used to always say, ‘Come over to our place unless you get a better offer’. In the last 12 months they both got a much better offer and are spending Christmas with God (we hope).

So we’re cleaning our house for our own benefit, rather than shame-cleaning because other people will see our mess. This is an Advent reflection all by itself.

Happy New Year!

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 8:52 am

The Nats currently hold 9 seats (up from 6) to the Libs 15.
Maybe the city Libs should put the Nats in charge of election strategy in future.

PS
Lots of good country girls in the Nats team.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:52 am

miltonfsays:
November 27, 2022 at 6:57 am
Agree too that the dicktator is the worst. Interesting too how the fat marxist parasite lets slip its hatred and contempt for the working classes.

The Liars have long ceased to be the party of the working classes. It is now the party of the self-selected so-called “elite” and their MSM and tertiary credentialled (upper middle class) hangers-on, with its grip on power buttressed by the votes of the welfare class.

m0nty=fa is simply a reflection of that reality.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 8:53 am

Climate hysteria is firmly embedded in the heads of so many Victorians , not just the young, not just the dumb. Many otherwise sane adults i spoke to are locked in with climate emergency guff.

Still nothing much happening climatewise.

Indur Goklany: “No Empirical Evidence that Anything Bad is Happening B/C of Climate Change” (26 Nov)

“There’s No Emergency” – Dissident Climatologist Dr Judith Curry on Climate Change (26 Nov)

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 8:55 am

Beyond parody

says the bloke who has never seen a franking credit
mUnty, do you actually pay any tax?

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 8:56 am

It supports my considered opinion that medical research died decades ago. It is now populated by the undead to become, what could best be called, ‘Zombie science’. Or, possibly, the walking dead.

I was published in a mathematical journal in undergrad days, that’s got to tell you something. Even attempted a PhD. ‘Research’ is a massive scam. My old professor even said ‘research is a fashion show’.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 8:56 am

The relentless wave of climate narrative was is and will be an effective factor in voting influences. Its beyond one leader persuading voters it is no threat.

The job of everyone on this blog is to be an influencer on destroying the climate narrative. A popular rebellion on it is the only way forward now. Start with people you know, then people you meet, then everyone you see. Some message t-shirts wouldn’t be a bad idea. And little stickers everywhere.
If the teals can do it, so can we.

In truth though, I doubt if there will be much of a wave repulsing this cult till the coming entropy takes hold in the West, and when America descends into chaos over its insane climate polices.

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 8:57 am

“All correct; BUT, how many lessons do the gutless libs need? We’ve had scomo, WA, SA and now victoristan. Has the penny dropped yet? You bet it hasn’t. NSW will be a debacle with the gutless libs reduced to a rump with matt kean opposition leader for life.

The only solution is either a massive takeover of little johnnie’s broad church or some minority party rising to take the place of the gutless libs. Incidentally how did the minority parties go in victoristan?”

Here’s an example of just how bad the Liberals are, particularly here in NSW, late last week that utterly useless, gormless, feeble fuckwit and far-left Green who masquerades as a Liberal, aka Senator Andrew Bragg, instead of opposing Labor on the Voice, basically smeared ordinary Liberal voters as ignorant because we’re likely to vote NO to the Voice. This comes on the back of Bragg, two weeks ago, blaming the federal election loss in May on the candidacy of Katherine Deves. Bragg, in the SMH hit piece, called Deves’ opinions “weird”. So, we have a “Liberal” senator who believes that those of us who believe in biological reality are “weird”, that those of us who believe biological males shouldn’t compete against biological females in sport are “weird”, that those of us who believe minors shouldn’t be allowed to get their penises cut off, their breasts lobbed off, and have hysterectomies at fifteen are “weird”. That’s the state of the Liberal Party in 2022.

Bragg wants to apportion blame for the loss of his dripping wet buddies in North Sydney, in Mackellar, in Wentworth, in Higgins, in Goldstein. Bragg wants to blame ordinary Liberals for the May loss because he still thinks that we’ll just continue to vote Liberal anyway. Oh and Bragg is kidding himself if the thinks the electorates of North Sydney, Mackellar and Wentworth were gone because of the candidacy of Deves. Nup, it was clear to me in March that Wentworth was sliding very quickly into a Teal abyss. And the only people to blame for this are Liberals like Bragg, Sharma, Zimmerman, Allen, Wilson and Falinsky.

Bragg and co despise us. Why would I vote for that?

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 8:58 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
November 27, 2022 at 8:53 am
Climate hysteria is firmly embedded in the heads of so many Victorians , not just the young, not just the dumb. Many otherwise sane adults i spoke to are locked in with climate emergency guff.

Still nothing much happening climatewise.

Indur Goklany: “No Empirical Evidence that Anything Bad is Happening B/C of Climate Change” (26 Nov)

“There’s No Emergency” – Dissident Climatologist Dr Judith Curry on Climate Change (26 Nov)

It doesn’t matter. The clotshots dont work either, but the TV says they do, so they do.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 8:59 am

John Constantine nailed the Vicco imported worker Ponzi scheme.
It was put on hold during the pandemic but it hasn’t collapsed yet and paid dividends to Labor as the new voters rewarded sugar daddy.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 8:59 am

Matersays:
November 27, 2022 at 7:28 am
Time and circumstance are the only way out now…no good looking for a political saviour.

I’ve long commented that the only way now is to wait for the climax. People will only begin to see, when the lights go out. As the T-Shirt says: “Science doesn’t care what you believe”.

Within a year, Victoria will see the end of coal powered electricity, and gas will not be allowed as a “firming” back-up for solar and wind. Invest in candles and Coolgardie safes.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 27, 2022 9:01 am

‘Twould be a shame if New Greta was upstaged by a long and bitter northern winter.

Hugh
Hugh
November 27, 2022 9:01 am

Seeing m0nty trying to catch a rabbit would be comedy of the highest order.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
November 27, 2022 9:02 am

Predictable as clockwork (and the inevitable ABC LGBTQI+ Sunday sermon) is a gloat piece from Karavelas on the Victorian election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-27/victoria-election-2022-result-triumph-dan-andrews/101702934

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 9:04 am

My old professor even said ‘research is a fashion show’.

I called it performing choreographed pirouettes.

In the humanities the peer review system is a total in-group groupthink.
Some of medicine and the professional areas are no better, it’s got worse in the past 20 years.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 9:04 am

m0ntysays:
November 27, 2022 at 7:38 am
One thing is clear: this idea that the Libs can become the voice of the working class is insane. It makes no sense at any level. If Labor had thought up a way to fool the Libs into writing their own death wish, it would look like that.

But the Liars have ceased to be that voice. All the working class will have left is One Nation. Do you support this?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 27, 2022 9:07 am

I don’t know much about it, but I get the impression IBAC is like the Ministries in the book 1984.

Just as the Ministry of Truth oversees propaganda; the Ministry of Peace, a constant state of war; the Ministry of Plenty, scarcity; and the Ministry of Love spies on the people, tortures them, and kills them for minor or imaginary doctrinal infractions, so IBAC. seems to ensure the orderly conduct of corruption.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 27, 2022 9:08 am

Razey my dog’s shit is smarter than 1000 munties. This is the level of comprehension that doesn’t understand franking credits are tax already paid. Any extra tax at the marginal rate is either paid or received by the recipient. This 1/1000 of a dog shit thinks the shareholder is getting something for nothing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 9:09 am

Ed Casesays:
November 27, 2022 at 8:03 am
Who cares if the Greens won on Lib preferences?
Labor cares, since they’re never getting those seats back.
Greens bosses care, since they’re in denial over how the seat was won.
The Libs don’t own those voters.
All they want is their preferences, 50 -60% should be enough to destroy Labor.
Labor knows what’s coming, hence the huge number of fake Parties preferencing Labor.
They finished third in those seats, deal with it.
After distribution of preferences, clear second on Primary vote.

Let me offer you a rare compliment. This is an efficient demolition of m0nty=fa’s inane repetition of leftard talking points.

Indolent
Indolent
November 27, 2022 9:14 am

I posted the presentation by Dr. Mike Yeadon before listening to all of it. It is essential viewing.

If you don’t watch anything else today, please do watch this.

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 9:15 am

This 1/1000 of a dog shit thinks the shareholder is getting something for nothing.

any minute now mUnty will explain State Revenue and where the money will come from

An excise on brain farts perhaps?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 9:15 am

What I Expect In Ukraine

This is how I expect things to unfold in the NATO proxy war using Ukraine against Russia; with some bits about why I think this way.

Preamble

This is a highly shortened version of the history leading up to now. It is terse, vague, and mostly just refers to things by a name or an event description. The purpose is just to remind about the background to these events and why some things will not change.

Where We Are Now

For months, the “News” has been telling us Russia is running out of men, tanks, ammunition, and more; that Putin is about to die from some disease, and that the people of Russia are sick of it all.

That is all flat out lies.

Russia has also been launching waves of drones, cruise missiles & other missiles at Rump Ukraine for days on end (weeks on end?) with no end in sight. Their factories are busy making more, too. Lots more. THEY have the natural gas to make ammonia & nitrates that are used to make modern explosives and gunpowders. (Note that European NATO has had to shut down production of those due to no Russian Gas).

Going Forward

NATO in Europe is down to about 2 days worth of ammunition and has depleted most of their stocks of available excess equipment to send it to Ukraine. They do not have the industrial capacity at this time to make more. Due to lack of Russian Gas and oil, they have had to shut down metal refining and fabricating, chemical production, and the manufacture of fertilizers (and the related gun propellants – ‘gunpowder’ – and explosives). The supply of arms to Ukraine is going to run dry, just about the time that Russia is attacking in force.

The USA has run out of credit (Japan & China are dumping about $2 Trillion of US Bonds and will not be buying more… Europe is not in any position to buy. Obviously scratch Russia.) So who will we sell them too? Namibia? Paraguay? So the only avenue open is “print & spend” and hope The Fed can paper over it enough to hide the high inflation that will create. The “run rate” at which the USA can make more missiles and such is very slow, far slower than the rate they are being consumed in Ukraine. Then it takes weeks to months to ship them over. The USA will not be an important source of materials and arms going forward (unless we strip our own units and make them useless).

So what will Russia do now?

Drone & Missile strikes will continue until Rump Ukraine is on its knees. My best guess is about 1 week after the ground freezes hard enough to carry tanks. call it Mid-December.

The citizens of Rump Ukraine are being slowly herded into the EU Nations. As the lights, water, and heat go out, these folks will largely evacuate westward. When the final push comes it will be a humanitarian disaster for those who have not yet left. Rump Ukraine is starting to advise folks to evacuate Kiev.

As Speedbox’s Wife has reported in – Guest Post: Speedbox – Postcard from Kislovodsk Redux #2

Also note: I’ve been watching Russian Youtube Videos from some random folks doing walks around various cities of Russia. They are clean. Stores are full of everything (even banned western goods). Folks are out walking in furs, driving cars, and having a full night life (Moscow Christmas decorations are the best, but St. Petersburg is pretty good too). Their cities are places I’d be willing to live. Unlike San Francisco or NYC hell holes of dirt, corruption and crime. Oh, and lights are on everywhere, even at midnight. Unlike German and other European cities that are going dark at night due to not enough power. Russians are mostly in favor of the war and love Putin. Their major complaint is that he moved too slowly and didn’t use enough force up front.

In Conclusion

Click & Read

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 9:18 am

In the last 12 months they both got a much better offer and are spending Christmas with God (we hope).

We are all mortal. Nothing brings this home more than to move up in the chain of birthdates on the front line as our parents say their last farewells. We go to London to say goodbye to a very smart and amusing Jewish lady who was step-grannie to our two children. She was a young woman during the second world war, and after it went with Hairy’s father, a research chemist, a widower whom she married, to live Germany in the early 70’s, learning some German and loving being there, in spite of her relatives saying before she left it would be like walking on Jewish graves the whole time. For her, it wasn’t, she didn’t forget nor unthinkingly forgive but saw the need to reconcile. She was made warmly welcome. A great lady of that generation, the same age in her passing as Elizabeth the Queen.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 9:19 am

So far it’s the fault of women, gays, Asians, the working class, the young… and the Libs themselves for not being conservative enough.

Do any of you see the contradiction there?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 9:22 am

Rowan Dean has got the wrong end of the election stick.
Winning seats is about the local. Big social issues don’t translate at the polling booth.
The ALP bloke, who seems to have held Melton against a strong showing by high profile independents who preferences away from Labor, was interviewed last night and only spoke about stuff he was going to do for his electorate.
That’s called fighting for your place.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 9:23 am

Razey my dog’s shit is smarter than 1000 munties.

Fact Check: True.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 27, 2022 9:23 am

On Howard’s gun buy back scheme my mate tells me allhis gun mates have far better guns and more of them now than before. He is still pissed about the rare guns that were destroyed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 9:24 am

Condolences to Philippa on the loss this year of both of your parents.
Their legacy to you in religion is your comfort now.
You have moved on from the Cat now it seems, but you are well remembered here.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 9:25 am

Ok here we go. “Real economy” time.

The Russia Ukraine war and the resulting sanctions has illuminated something very important about the “global economy”

The “on paper” stats showing economic size and prowess are bunk.

1/20

Note Australia in 7/20

Much of western GDP is derived from “service sector” and much of the service sector is fundamentally “unproductive”. Sure, we all want education, pharma drugs, entertainment, loans, and fun apps to play etc…but its all in the parlance of COVID world…”non essential”

and in 19/20

Here is another important finding,

Canada, Australia, and Brazil all score significantly ahead of France, Germany, Japan, Italy.
Mexico = Japan approximately = Iran = 2X bigger than UK!! Just LMAO at British economy must be propped up wholly by money laundering

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 9:27 am

There was a lot to attack Andrews and others in his government on, personally and politically, but the Liberals, particularly in that Sky debate, always prefer to flap their arms around like the meek and naive little nonentities they are. They choose to be nice, sweet and decent, here’s my memo, IT DOES NOT WORK.

For those few here who come on and lecture those of us who take on the fat fascist slug, always saying that he’s best ignored, I say a definite and defiant NO. And yesterday’s results confirm what happens when you don’t take on the left, they walk all over you.

I won’t be.

Hugh
Hugh
November 27, 2022 9:27 am

my dog’s shit is smarter than 1000 munties.

Smells better too.

Mater
November 27, 2022 9:31 am

So far it’s the fault of women, gays, Asians, the working class, the young… and the Libs themselves for not being conservative enough.

I’m not a collectivist, so I blame none of them as a particular group.

The problem is singular. A goodly portion of the voting public is not well informed enough to know the full consequences of their vote. That’s it, and that’s all. Simples.

But they will learn…the hard way.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 9:31 am

From the Comments

E.M.Smith says:
26 November 2022 at 4:16 pm
@Bob:

Yeah. The notion that $US equates to “Stuff in hand” is often pushed. So the “military budgets” will be compared and clearly the USA is vastly superior. Why? Because a $10 Million missile is clearly worth 10 x a $1 Million missile that does the same job… Just crazy really.

To know what the real case is, you must compare real things of the same kind.

How much steel? Copper? Washing machines? Tons of wheat? Loaves of bread? Effective trucks and cruise missiles?

Yes, there’s some need to adjust for “quality of goods”, but a cost to cost comparison says more about the financial waste than it does about effective production.

Does it really matter if the USA makes vastly more semiconductors if WE are using them to control the brake lights on pickup trucks and the thermostat in our homes; while Russia uses them to make cruise missiles and smart bombs?

So it goes…

Russian engineers & scientists are just as good as ours, and better in some (many?) areas. They make simple designs that are clever. We make complicated designs that are failure prone and maintenance heavy. I’ll take a Russian truck that can drive over snow and through rivers over a new FORD that stops dead if the computer gets wet because the water was almost in the cab… (Or a Mercedes that dies in the rain because a gasket on the tail light failed and its hind brain got wet like my car did…)

The AK is used world wide because it is incredibly reliable and just gets the job done. It happily feeds rounds with steel cases and doesn’t mind dirt or mud. Were I given a choice of battle rifle, I’d lean toward it. (In Viet Nam some percentage of US soldiers abandoned the early AR types that were failure prone and picked up AKs…)

The hubris of thinking the Russians are not capable is a huge mistake. They got to space before us and with far less money & resources to do it. We’ve been using their rocket motors for a few decades now to get to the space station as they were the best rocket motors in the world (full flow when nobody else was doing it – so a lot more efficient).

Historically we could out produce them and had the newest latest & greatest technical advances. But those days are gone. US Manufacture is pretty much dead with outsourcing to Asia et. al. With that goes the experience and the engineers who make it all go. As of now, the USA is good at making “media” (i.e. lots of talk…) and some weapons systems. Other than that, we import a lot of junk from China.

Frankly, IF we wanted to place a sudden order just for Uniforms for a Million Man Army bump, we would need to order them from China. We no longer make the fabric nor sew it into clothes. IF we wanted to stock up on military necessary medicines for that army, we would need to order it from China. IF we wanted pots & pans to cook for that army, China again… We can’t even feed and clothe a new army…

Even our auto manufactures are stuck based on a shortage of “chips” from Taiwan. FORD stacking up thousands of pickup trucks in parking lots waiting for parts we don’t (or can’t?) make anymore. Just how do you expect to make an Army Of Trucks if you can’t make pickups? Eh?

It is the USA that has no capacity to do rapid ramp up of new military; and it is the USA that has no capacity for new sustained production. We are superior in how much money we spend to have a large standing military force; but even then a lot of that money goes to excessive “maintenance packages” and scrapping perfectly usable equipment so the Arms Industry can sell us something new. (Just how useful to us are the $Billions of Humvees and related gear we left in Afghanistan? Is that expenditure really of any benefit to US?)

The Stupid, it burns.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 9:34 am

‘Twould be a shame if New Greta was upstaged by a long and bitter northern winter.

Old Greta is currently suing Sweden. I diagnose RDS.

We’re Saved! Greta Thunberg Sues Her Native Sweden for Failing on Climate – Demands governments make the weather better! (25 Nov)

Funny how they never sue China or the Gulf States.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 9:34 am

Fiona Patten elected over Adem Somyurek. Bernie Finn also booted. Good.

Bluey
Bluey
November 27, 2022 9:35 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
November 27, 2022 at 9:27 am
There was a lot to attack Andrews and others in his government on, personally and politically, but the Liberals, particularly in that Sky debate, always prefer to flap their arms around like the meek and naive little nonentities they are. They choose to be nice, sweet and decent, here’s my memo, IT DOES NOT WORK.

For those few here who come on and lecture those of us who take on the fat fascist slug, always saying that he’s best ignored, I say a definite and defiant NO. And yesterday’s results confirm what happens when you don’t take on the left, they walk all over you.

I won’t be.

I note when given a free kick when asked about referencing, instead of reminding people Andrews more or less had decleared a vote for anyone other than labor was a vote for nazis, Guy gave waffle about that’s how they’d win.

Idiot.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 9:39 am

FORCING THE ANNIHILATION OF THE UKRAINE.

Posted by Pointman on November 25, 2022

The peace negotiations a few weeks into the war were quickly squashed by Zelensky’s West block handlers who told him to get back to defeating Russia and just wait for the collapse of its economy in a month or two. From then onwards, West block via their performing seal Zelensky has been setting impossible preconditions before any peace talks can even begin. All their lost territory back, including the Crimea, the surrender of Russia and Putin deposed. None of that is ever going to happen.

The strategic expectation of the Washington warmongers was that the Russian economy would quickly fold and the military incursion would just as quickly grind to a halt in the hybrid war they’d planned. Both forks of the grand strategy failed miserably, throwing the world into recession and the face saving way out for them was to rebrand the quick win plan into one of slowly bleeding Russia white while all the time pretending that had actually been the real plan all along. The war of economic and military attrition we now find ourselves in is not going well for West block or those countries who thought they could curry some favour by slip streaming in behind the policy.

Russia’s doctrine of winning a war is the complete reverse of West block’s. They do very measured amounts of violence. The prime aim is to annihilate the enemy’s armies while leaving the infrastructure of the country intact. This is the direct opposite of West block’s military doctrine which arguably destroys a country totally while producing years worth of juicy reconstruction contracts for their cronies in the military industrial complex when it’s over. Everybody’s a winner except the US taxpayer who ultimately pays for the reconstruction.

A number of weeks back, Ukraine committed their first terrorist act. In response, Russia did two days of infrastructure strikes against water and power hubs. It was a one-off punishment thing, a slap on the hand warning that said don’t do that again or this will be the response.

Instead of taking the hint, Ukraine and its West block allies have escalated the terrorist attacks and to my mind Russia in response has changed its strategic objectives.

They’ve launched a nearly continuous air offense against any and all infrastructure objectives. Generators, power transmission systems, transformers, water purification and distribution networks, the whole cyber structure of the country, bridges, factories and anything else it thinks of even tangential importance to the running of a country.

This is scorched earth.

If you still entertained some idea of Russia wishing to conquer all of the Ukraine, ask yourself who’d want to take over the smoking ruins that’ll be left.

That Pentagon buffoon Gen. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, whined with some indignation last week that he’d been calling various people in the Russian government but they’d all been to busy to talk to him over a missile strike in Poland.

In the middle of a shooting war when nobody powerful on the other side refuses to even pick up back channel phone calls from you, you know they’re out of patience with you and your silly games.

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 9:39 am

“Fiona Patten elected over Adem Somyurek. Bernie Finn also booted. Good.”

The slug likes whores.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 27, 2022 9:40 am

Well I am not surprised at all by Dictator Dan’s victory. Mat Guy is now and always has been a total waste of oxygen, they got rid of him once and then brought him back!
Again we see the Libs trying to be more Labor than Labor and will now be asking (again) where did we go wrong?
It appears to me that the only people in Australia who don’t know why the Libs keep losing are the Libs themselves, everyone else knows that as long as they try to out socialist the socialists they are fucked.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 27, 2022 9:41 am

Razey my dog’s shit is smarter than 1000 munties. This is the level of comprehension that doesn’t understand franking credits are tax already paid. Any extra tax at the marginal rate is either paid or received by the recipient. This 1/1000 of a dog shit thinks the shareholder is getting something for nothing.

I’m always surprised at the depths of ignorance regarding franking credits – the idea that they are some sort of rort, indulged in by the very rich to take the bread from the mouths of honest workers.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 27, 2022 9:42 am

From the “These People get to Vote” Department:

A Sydney personal trainer who was photographed topless at a beach without her knowledge was devastated to discover the images were circulating in a group chat without her consent — and even more shocked to learn police were limited in their powers to punish those responsible.

The issue has sparked warnings from academics and lawyers, who say the practice known as “revenge porn” extends far beyond jilted ex-partners releasing intimate pictures, and the laws have some catching up to do.

Lily Cook was left “angry, hurt and upset” after she found out topless pictures had been snapped of her and shared without her consent after a visit to an eastern suburbs beach with her sister on November 12.

Several hours after returning home, the personal trainer said she received a text from a friend asking if she had been topless at the beach, followed by what she described as a “close-up photo of me topless at the beach”.

Rabz
November 27, 2022 9:43 am

Gee, how edifying to see mUttley displaying his seething contempt for the working class.

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 9:43 am

Renee Heath has been elected. Good.

Rabz
November 27, 2022 9:45 am

John Roskovich: “Groundhog Guy should stand down”.

Where would we be without self declared experts?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 9:46 am

So far it’s the fault of women, gays, Asians, the working class, the young

Women have been fooled, especially young ones who are now worse educated than any generation since the Dark Ages. Gays are mentally ill. Asians, by which you mainly mean Chinese, have CCP police stations watching them, and their relatives in the old country. The working class are split into the old MUA-style wing and the aspirational wing which has been ground down under the thumb of covid mandates. The unions have abandoned them, except to enforce garnishing of their paypackets. The young as I mentioned earlier have been indoctrinated so thoroughly by the far-left in schools that they can’t now think for themselves, and they now spend their time with their noses attached to phones sending inane texts and photos of what they just ate.

No Monty the underlying problem is lefty lies and totalitarianism. Not their fault they’re ignorant – they were either made that way or are being repressed to keep them in the herd.

Rabz
November 27, 2022 9:47 am

Not their fault they’re ignorant – they were either made that way …

“They made you a moron”.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 27, 2022 9:48 am

Herald Sun:
Daniel Andrews has won a historic third term, putting him on track to become Victoria’s second longest-serving Premier.

Mr Andrews on Saturday night promised to govern for all Victorians, as Labor looked to form a clear majority government, with MPs and party figures hailing the result as better than expected.

“Leadership isn’t about doing what’s popular, leadership is about doing what’s right,” Mr Andrews said shortly after 11pm.
“Leadership is about doing what matters. And that’s exactly what the people of this great state have endorsed today, in resoundingly re-endorsing our strong, stable, majority Labor government.
“These last few years have been incredibly challenging. Hope always defeats hate.

“We will govern for all Victorians. We will deliver each and every element of our positive plan to benefit each and every Victorian, no matter how you voted, no matter your views and opinions.

“That’s what our job is, we take our responsibility very seriously.”

News
Victoria
Victoria Votes: Daniel Andrews celebrates emphatic election win
Daniel Andrews has declared “we will govern for all Victorians” as Labor was returned to power, while the Liberal Party faces a “change or die” moment.

Staff writers
20 min read
November 27, 2022 – 12:18AM
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Daniel Andrews claims victory in the 2022 Victorian election
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Daniel Andrews has won a historic third term, putting him on track to become Victoria’s second longest-serving Premier.

Mr Andrews on Saturday night promised to govern for all Victorians, as Labor looked to form a clear majority government, with MPs and party figures hailing the result as better than expected.

“Leadership isn’t about doing what’s popular, leadership is about doing what’s right,” Mr Andrews said shortly after 11pm.

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Victoria
Victoria Votes: Daniel Andrews celebrates emphatic election win
Daniel Andrews has declared “we will govern for all Victorians” as Labor was returned to power, while the Liberal Party faces a “change or die” moment.

Staff writers
20 min read
November 27, 2022 – 12:18AM
818 comments

06:39
Daniel Andrews claims victory in the 2022 Victorian election
Daniel Andrews has praised Victorians’ “sense of connection” as Labor was returned to power, saying ‘hope always defeats hate’.
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Daniel Andrews has won a historic third term, putting him on track to become Victoria’s second longest-serving Premier.

Mr Andrews on Saturday night promised to govern for all Victorians, as Labor looked to form a clear majority government, with MPs and party figures hailing the result as better than expected.

“Leadership isn’t about doing what’s popular, leadership is about doing what’s right,” Mr Andrews said shortly after 11pm.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 27, 2022 9:49 am

Bit of extra things I inadvertently copied but yeah, you get the picture

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 9:49 am

Fiona Patten eh Monty.
A junkie in every doorway and a hooker on every corner.
I hope you’ve educated the kids in safe syringe handling and crossing the street to avoid the sex trade haggling.
Good times.

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 9:49 am

“John Roskovich: “Groundhog Guy should stand down”.”

Ahhhh yes, John Roskam from the IPA, the same so called free speech spruiker who refused to come to the defense of Bettina Arndt when she was being publicly lynched.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 27, 2022 9:50 am

A retired army major has called for Australian Defence Force chief General Angus Campbell to hand his Distinguished Service Cross back — and said if he doesn’t “the government should take it from him”.

The call by Stuart McCarthy, a two-tour veteran of ­Afghanistan, comes amid growing anger among elite special forces troops after Gen Campbell demanded his senior officers surrender their own medals or show proof of why they deserve them.

The move against his top brass follows the release of the Brereton report in November 2020 into alleged war crimes in Afghanistan by Australia’s Special Forces.

None of the top officers were believed to have been implicated or included in the adverse findings against 39 soldiers who are the subject of police investigation.

But the move signals all those in leadership positions have to bear some form of accountability for the behaviour of some of Australia’s elite forces.

Mr McCarthy said Gen Campbell received a Distinguished Service Cross “for distinguished command and leadership in action as Commander Joint Task Force 633 on Operation Slipper from January 2011 to December 2011”.

“In action means exactly that — he was in action in a war zone,” Mr McCarthy said.

“When it comes back to that finding of the Brereton Report, you can’t have your cake and eat it too, you were an operational commander or you weren’t.

“If you were, you should be under investigations for your role in ­alleged war crimes, or if you weren’t then you should never have received that award in the first place.”

Mr McCarthy said: “I honestly don’t care which commanders have to hand their medals back, but if anyone does, as a matter of principled leadership it should always start from the top.

“Gen Campbell is the current Chief of the Defence Force and his DSC is questionable.”

Mr McCarthy’s sentiments are echoed by former special forces commando Wes Hennessey, who says he will be writing to MPs next week requesting Gen Campbell’s resignation.

“Here we are, two years after the release of the Brereton Report, and the CDF makes another attempt to force our Special Operations personnel to relinquish Afghanistan honours and awards,” Mr Hennessey said.

“Based upon what? That all decorated officers were complicit with purported allegations? That is absolutely absurd.”

Mr Hennessey said the officers in question were some of the “finest and experienced” he’d worked with.

“They hold the majority core of the current combat experience within the ADF,” he said.

“If we were to become involved in a regional conflict, or support combat operations of a third country, we will very much need the experience of these officers.”

A military law academic specialising in command responsibility for war crimes, who spoke to The Sunday Telegraph on condition of anonymity due to his current work overseas, described Gen Campbell’s response as “shallow” and “ill-informed”.

“Deterring war crimes starts at the top, and war crimes cases since World War II recognise that,” he said.

“In Australia’s case, the top includes commanders of Joint Task Force 633.”

The academic, an Afghanistan veteran, said Gen Campbell’s reported justification of his actions in demanding medals be returned “so he could be seen to be doing something about discipline issues … entirely misses the point”.

There is no suggestion Mr McCarthy or Mr Hennessey have been asked to return medals.

A Defence spokesman declined to comment directly to questions related to the call for Gen Campbell to hand back his medal.

The call came as the Opposition demanded Defence Minister Richard Marles explain his role in the decision.

Coalition Defence spokesman Andrew Hastie, who served in Afghanistan with the SAS, said Mr Marles had said in October he would accept full responsibility for leadership and management of his portfolio.

“The buck stops with him,” he said.

A spokeswoman for Mr Marles said the matter is still ongoing and it is “inappropriate to comment further”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 9:53 am

Renee Heath has been elected. Good.

Very interesting to see if Guy acts on his promise to exclude her from the party room.
If he does they’ll be in money problems as Christians sure won’t be donating to an anti-Christian party.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 9:54 am

FTX Isn’t Just Bankrupt — Tons of Money Has Been Stolen

The wreckage of FTX is going to get only messier. On Tuesday, the lawyers representing the defunct crypto exchange made their first appearance in Delaware bankruptcy court to lay out the bleak situation left behind by Sam Bankman-Fried, the former billionaire CEO of what is now ground zero for the largest crypto fraud in history. “A substantial amount of assets have either been stolen or are missing,” said James Bromley, the lawyer at Sullivan & Cromwell who’s representing FTX.

On November 11, the day Bankman-Fried formally filed for Chapter 11, there was a breach that cost the firm roughly $600 million, and attempts to hack the exchange have continued, lawyers said. There are more than 1 million creditors around the world, and the people trying to figure out what was going on inside the company have little more than an email address associated with many of those accounts.

Bromley reiterated a point made by the new CEO, John J. Ray III — the guy who restructured Enron after it collapsed — that the company was run by “compromised individuals.”

Rabz
November 27, 2022 9:54 am

Kroger. More destructive than Peacock. The CA of political operatives.

It is both infuriating and ridiculous to see Kroges on Sky appearing as some gliberal éminence grise.

I’ve never heard the idiot utter anything of any note or relevance ever. He’s basically an older uglier equally stupid and vacuous Annalise Neilsen.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 9:55 am

Rabzsays:
November 27, 2022 at 9:47 am
Not their fault they’re ignorant – they were either made that way …

“They made you a moron”.

If you give them the wool, they will make one for you also.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 9:56 am

This Just in From CNN: Daylight Saving Time Is Racist

Fossils are racist now, and so is space travel.

Morsie
Morsie
November 27, 2022 9:57 am

What is still pissing me off is the gaslighting about the Liberals somehow moving too far to the Right, all designed to stop the Liberals coming up with sensible policies.I exclude privatising sewerage from sensible policies.
The result has been the Libs coming up with Labor Lite policies which no one is likely to support. They turn off traditional Liberal voters and convince no one else.
I am sick of just how frightened the Liberal are of standing up for their founding principles, especially when they happen to get into Government.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 27, 2022 9:58 am

Shannon Deery in the Hun:

Daniel Andrews has cemented his legacy as one of Victoria’s most successful premiers.

If he serves out his third term, Andrews will become the second-longest-serving premier in Victorian history.

He is just one of nine premiers to have won three elections – and he did so despite enforcing crushing lockdowns on Victorians during the Covid-19 pandemic.

That fact alone makes last night’s win even more remarkable.

Before counting began, senior Labor MPs were already making excuses for a worst-case scenario result. They needn’t have bothered.

There was an expected “anti-Dan” sentiment, but it failed to translate in any significant way at the ballot box.

For the Liberal Party, and leader Matt Guy, the result was simply an unmitigated disaster.

The party was holding out hope that the counting of pre-poll votes would improve its outlook. But, failing that, it was facing the prospect of recording a lower primary vote than its disastrous 2018 result.

Given Guy led the party to that election drubbing, too, he will not survive as the party’s leader.

Guy needed to at least win back the seats he lost in 2018 – and he had to make inroads in the seats the party lost the election prior to that.

It failed to do anything of consequence.

This will prompt yet another wide-ranging review into the party campaign.

Criticisms are expected to centre on its preselection process and chronic instability.

The decision to knife former leader Michael O’Brien was last night being discussed as the party’s biggest pre-election mistake, as was its inability to seriously engage with multicultural communities, middle Australia and millennials.

If it continues to fail to engage with those communities, the Liberal Party will struggle to ever form government again in Victoria.

In the past week, Guy and the party repeatedly insisted that the Coalition could win the election.

But it never believed it.

The election shaped up as a referendum on Daniel Andrews.

However, it ended as a referendum on the Liberal Party and Matt Guy.

Cassie of Sydney
November 27, 2022 9:59 am

“Very interesting to see if Guy acts on his promise to exclude her from the party room.”

Given the results from yesterday, it is more likely Guy will be excluded from the party room.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:01 am

Cassie of Sydney

They [Credlin et al]know what’s wrong with the party. However, until they [the Lieborals]start to speak up about the climate con, nothing will change…..you simply cannot parrot the left and win elections.

I’m not so sure. Being right doesn’t matter in politics unless you can convince 50%+ 1 (under compulsory preferential voting) that you are right. The continued election of Teal candidates in formerly safe Lieboral seats says to me the Lieborals are a long way away from that yet, even if they believe it (which a significant majority don’t). The mathematical reality in unless Lieboral candidates can get to around 45% of the Primary Vote on free market based 1st preference votes they will typically be washed up in the wash. Nowhere near enough can do that in Victoriastan and don’t like like doing it any time soon.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:11 am

Unlike the Cth, a Liar state government isn’t (of itself) the end of the world. State governments have a real impact on the mechanics of doing business via Red Tape, which is typically imposed nationally via cooperative COAG-type mechanisms in any event, provided they keep a lid on public servant numbers and wages, with some broad restraint on borrowing multiple terms of a Liar State government are neither here nor there.

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 10:12 am

Fiona Patten elected over Adem Somyurek. Bernie Finn also booted.

you do realise that those three are upper house candidates in 3 different regions?

and pretty sure that the Leg Council votes are yet to tallied

so mUnty … did you use a crystal-ball or just pull a prediction from your arse?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:15 am

so mUnty … did you use a crystal-ball or just pull a prediction from your arse?

Eeeeewwwww. At least we can be pretty confident it wasn’t a tapeworm, possibly one with an eating disorder.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 10:19 am

Fifty worst cases in 10 days: how the Family Court fixed itself

The court was dealing with entrenched conflicts lasting up to six years. Then judges were flown in with a mission to sort them out.

Michael Pelly – Legal editor

Early last month, the Family Court listed 50 of “the worst” cases it could find; conflicts over custody and property that had been dragging on for up to six years.

Six judges – two from interstate – gathered at the federal law courts in Parramatta, a place Chief Justice Will Alstergren calls “the heartland of family law”, with the aim of clearing every case over 10 hearing days.

“They’d been in the system for years,” Alstergren tells AFR Weekend. “Not going to settle, hard to get the parties organised to get on [to a hearing]; substance abuse, family abuse, the whole bit.

“They’d had a life of their own.”

The chief justice had given the job of preparing the list to family law veteran Grant Riethmuller, after he was promoted to division one of the merged Federal Circuit and Family Court in October last year. Riethmuller had been a Melbourne-based circuit court judge for 17 years, but Alstergren wanted him to move to Sydney.

“I said to him: ‘You’re going out to Parramatta,’” he says. “We grabbed 50 of the worst cases we could find; people with really entrenched differences that were going nowhere; legacy cases that were just sitting there. Riethmuller got them organised for us.”

Within two weeks of listing the cases for hearing, 12 had settled. Of the remainder, all but four were heard – and resolved.

“We had 60 barristers, 60 solicitors and 120 litigants involved; we had support people and witnesses. It was over 300 people all up for the two weeks and the security managed it all without incident.”

The chief justice said he was allocated “one of the hardest ones”. It settled on the sixth day. He said the parties on the list got the message that the court was serious.

“We were just getting on with it. And I think people suddenly went, ‘OK. It’s time to either resolve the matter or get heard’.”

The blitz was another step in changing the culture of the family law system – and proof that the merger of the Family Court and the Federal Circuit Court (FCC) in September last year is working.

Bickering over resources

The Family Court started in 1976. The FCC opened its doors in 2000; it was there to take the load off the Family Court by handling less complex cases, but also to do migration and general federal law matters.

A 2018 report by PwC for the Coalition government found there was a backlog of 12,000 family law cases and it was taking up to 18 months – lawyers said three years – to get a hearing date in both courts. Every year, 1200 cases were transferred between the two courts, some after languishing in one court for 11 months.

The courts were riven by bickering over resources and fights over status, workload and pay. Requests from the FCC to use vacant Family Court rooms were constantly refused. In Adelaide, a Family Court judge ordered staff from the circuit court out of tearooms for stealing “Family Court teabags”.

Few people disagreed with the view of then-attorney-general Christian Porter that the system was broken. Porter refused to increase funding; he wanted real change.

Over strong opposition from the profession and Labor, he pressed ahead with a merger. When John Pascoe – the chief judge of the FCC from 2004-2017 and chief justice of the Family Court from 2017-2018 – retired, Porter made Alstergren the head of both courts. Alstergren had formerly been a commercial silk with little experience of family law until he replaced Pascoe as chief judge of the FCC.

A single point of entry was established for both courts and a swath of registrars were hired to free up the judges of both courts. When Alstergren produced promising performance data, the government responded with more funding.

In 2020-21, there were 104,425 filings in both courts; 93.3 per cent were family law, way ahead of migration (4.3 per cent) and general federal law (2.4 per cent.)

The clearance rate for family law cases was 131 per cent, a figure that delights Alstergren. (It was 113 per cent for general law and 62 per cent for migration.)

The average docket numbers for Division 2, or circuit court, judges has dropped from 330 in May last year to 113 now. The backlog of pending final order applications has fallen 21 per cent or 4500 cases in the past year. There is a special program for family violence cases, which is being rolled out to 12 registries.

About 60 per cent of cases are being finalised within 12 months of filing. The target is 90 per cent. “And that they don’t get entrenched,” says Alstergren.

The chief justice says there is no reason or avenue for parties to procrastinate. He says the court’s aim is to get everybody to a mediation within six months, and to trial within 12 months.

The court’s 144 registrars – 34 have been hired over the past year – have played a vital role in that process. They outnumber the court’s 105 judges, of whom 41 are in division one (the old family court).

“They’re better suited to do alternative dispute resolution,” says Alstergren. “They’re better suited to do a lot of the interim work. We come in and do the more serious stuff if we [as judges] need to.

“When we started this, the court didn’t do any alternative dispute resolution in parenting at all. Now we are doing 1500 to 1600 events [a year]. It’s been a massive difference.”

After mediation there is a readiness hearing: “I’m now saying to people, ‘You can have a trial in two weeks’.”

In the Parramatta blitz, the oldest case was filed on June 26, 2016. The average was three years and four months. All the judges were from different registries; two were from Melbourne (Alstergren and Norah Hartnett) and the others (Tom Altobelli, Robert Harper, Richard Schonell and Jacoba Brasch) were based in central Sydney.

“We brought in judges that they [the litigants] didn’t know; they couldn’t expect they would get judges they wanted to get; that made a difference by creating a bit of uncertainty.”

Alstergren says the key was stripping a case back to the “real issue”.

“Some of them, there wasn’t much between them – ‘so you want the kids five times a fortnight you want the kids seven times a fortnight’. With others, there were perpetrators of family violence; they’d promised to fight till the better end, but they realised these were going to be the final orders.”

Alstergren says the blitz judges heavily relied on the family reports, which often included recommendations by a psychologist: “We’d just say, ‘Why wouldn’t we accept what they are telling us?’ and remind them that the test is about the best interest of the child, not the best interests of the parents.”

The pandemic had also helped prolong cases through endless online hearings. Face to face provided a very different dynamic.

“People were back in court; there were discussions outside, we’d hear witnesses electronically if we needed to.

“In some cases the witnesses [the parents, family members, partners], the parties needed to be put in the witness box and be cross-examined … they get in there, and it’s probably the first time they ever think ‘this wasn’t such a good idea’.”

He says the light can go on “when they [the litigants] make admissions in the witness box – or they don’t, but it looks bad.

“They’re the ones that go home at the end of it thinking, ‘How did I go? I’m a bit worried, the judge didn’t look too happy at what I said, and this happened’. It’s amazing how they change their attitude the next day, or the day after.

“We’re trying to make sure the first time they think about that is not in the witness box but occasionally, it is.”

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 10:20 am

what mUnty does is called “assuming the sale”
which is why I added the crystal-ball quip

the man is an idiot

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:24 am

Shannon Deery in the Hun:
Daniel Andrews has cemented his legacy as one of Victoria’s most successful premiers

Typical j’ismist. Too close to politicians in a mutually beneficial pas de duex. Andrews legacy hasn’t even been written, I suspect it will be ugly. Emperor Barney did something similar over here in the West and you don’t hear much about him or his legacy either now.

Hugh
Hugh
November 27, 2022 10:34 am

Indolent:
November 27, 2022 at 9:14 am

I posted the presentation by Dr. Mike Yeadon before listening to all of it. It is essential viewing.

If you don’t watch anything else today, please do watch this.

Yep. I hope he is wrong, but I fear he is not.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 10:39 am

Shannon Deery in the Hun:

Daniel Andrews has cemented his legacy as one of Victoria’s most successful premiers.

At the risk of Godwin’s Law being invoked…

Using that criterion, Adolf Hitler is one of Germany’s most successful Chancellors.

(No. 5 out of 36 in terms of time in office. )

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 10:40 am

Handy link for the Patten v Somyurek battle:

https://abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/guide/results-nmet

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:41 am

Just doin’ some Googlin’. Emperor Barney won two elections, the first after becoming Leader of the Opposition after announcing his retirement (at least everything was already in boxes for the move) before being turfed in the first landslide defeat which gave WA preCovid Sneakers.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 10:42 am

Unlike the Cth, a Liar state government isn’t (of itself) the end of the world.

Except here in the east we have this thing called the National Electricity Market, which Victoria will now continue to sabotage with their idiotic energy policies.

Mater
November 27, 2022 10:44 am

Just so we don’t lose sight of reality.

From the Age website (about 65% counted):

ALP: 52 seats
LNP: 22 seats

First Preference votes:

ALP: 1,047,751 (down 5.75%)
LNP: 988,048 (down only 0.21%)
Greens: 309,421 (up only 0.25%)
Independents: 166,469 (down 0.17%)
Other: 311,859 (up 6.39%)

This is not a Red/Green wave, by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who thinks it endorses Emperor Dan is kidding themselves. Truth be told, it doesn’t look like it even went to the Greens or the Teals, in the most part.

You can clearly see a protest vote against Dan. You can clearly see it didn’t go to the LNP (because they did nothing to stop him). The ‘others’ were the big winners, and that smells of protest votes.

This ‘crushing victory’ comes from preference whispering and the electoral system itself. It’s not reflected in the raw numbers. If it’s a referendum on Dan and his behaviour during Covid, the results don’t paint him in such a great light.

Let’s also wait until the pre polls are counted. I suspect they’ll break heavily against the ALP. These are people who had made their mind up, early.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 10:44 am

The Libs are full of Tim Smith types, accountants with delusions of adequacy. The party has spent 2022 in a slow-motion car crash where they vault into the living room of a random family though a window, smashing everything in sight and reducing themselves to a write off.

They might as well make Renee Heath their leader, at least she has a coherent world view even if it does involve the Seventh Seal.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 10:46 am

DEMOCRATS

Analysis: What in the Actual F— Is Wrong With These People?

You can’t make this up. Earlier this month, some dough-faced dork named Sam Bankman-Fried—an MIT grad and son of Stanford law professors—vaporized the GDP of a small country after successfully conning the entire world of so-called educated elites.

All of them. The freaks in Silicon Valley, the freaks on Wall Street, the freaks in Hollywood, and the freaks in Washington. Even (or especially) the journalists who are supposed to be holding everyone accountable. The smartest, most enlightened professional experts and self-appointed moral referees.

Bill Clinton. Tony Blair. The Democratic Party. Larry David. Tom Brady. Fortune magazine. Andrew Ross Sorkin. CNBC. The bald guy from Shark Tank. BlackRock, the $10 trillion investment firm where former Obama aides go to get rich and serve as “Global Head of Sustainable Investing.”

They all vouched for Bankrupt-Fraud and his blockchain stonk machine. Like they vouched for Elizabeth Holmes and her magic blood box. Like they vouched for Michael Avenatti and his bullshit litigation racket. The Lincoln Project. OZY Media. Stacey Abrams.

These are people who demand to be taken seriously. You know the type. You’ve probably heard them ranting about gullible rubes being duped by “misinformation,” or denouncing half the country as irredeemably stupid, unserious, and uncultured.

Shockingly enough, most normal Americans are starting to suspect our elite overlords are full of shit, and the elite overlords are freaking out. This lack of fealty to their expertise is not merely misguided, we are told. It’s an existential crisis imperiling American democracy.

This raises an interesting question: What in the actual f— is wrong with these people?

Bankman-Fried was the next J.P. Morgan. They actually said that. Of course they did. They adored his dorm-room bong-rip attire and corresponding philosophy—”effective altruism”—through which their capitalist sins can be absolved by attending charity galas and buying hideous art at silent auctions. Better yet, they can start a charitable foundation to avoid paying the tax rates they are constantly trying to raise on everyone else. Giving money to Democrats is also encouraged.

Time and time again, the unwashed masses of non-experts have watched the elite overlords get scammed by charismatic frauds, or team up to incinerate multiple Powerball jackpots—or in one case the entire global economy—only to shrug it off as a “whoopsie” and repeat.

They’ve been mocked as morally depraved by the same people who partied with Harvey Weinstein and attended his political fundraisers. The same people who hobnobbed with Jeffrey Epstein—before and after his conviction for sex crimes.

They’ve been lectured at for driving SUVs and complaining about gas prices by millionaires who fly around the world on leather sofas in private jets with nicknames like “Air F— One” and “Lolita Express,” and shamed for being unable to afford an electric car that costs more than their annual salary.

They’ve been denounced as racist and subjected to corporate diversity training by woke weirdos who say “Latinx” and hyperventilate about “Jim Crow on steroids” when voter turnout is through the roof. The same people who attack successful black conservatives as angry, ignorant traitors.

They were told it was totally unreasonable to want their children to go back to school during the pandemic by the same experts who said mass public gatherings were safe as long as they were supporting a righteous left-wing cause.

They were called “out of touch” by the same political gurus who touted Beto O’Rourke, Elizabeth Warren, and Pete Buttigieg as the next generation of transformative leaders.

And they wonder why no one takes them seriously anymore.

Mater
November 27, 2022 10:46 am

Except here in the east we have this thing called the National Electricity Market, which Victoria will now continue to sabotage with their idiotic energy policies.

Let’s not loose sight of the fact that South Australia has already done 10 times the damage to the NEM than Victoria has, already. From an electricity point of view, they are a mendicant State.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 10:54 am

This is not a Red/Green wave, by any stretch of the imagination.

No, but it still leaves almost 50% of Vic voters supporting either Labor or the Greens.

Gabor
Gabor
November 27, 2022 10:55 am

m0nty says:
November 27, 2022 at 10:44 am

Caught your post and read it, mea culpa.
I agree with you.
The rot started with Hamer as far as I can gather.

Jorge
Jorge
November 27, 2022 10:56 am

Yesterday dropped into the TAB and chatted with old mate in his ‘70s. Very keen punter and voting came up in the conversation. ‘Yeh, I voted Green.’

I had to laugh. ‘You do realise they want to ban racing.’

Nice bloke, just reads the paper and votes that way because we must do something about the climate. Be a bugger if all those screens in the TAB go dark but I don’t think he’d make the connection even then.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 10:57 am

THE MOST SOCCER THING EVER! U.S., England tie World Cup match in Qatar, 0-0.

The Simpsons take on soccer highlight reel from the game is really something: 3 Mins 20 Secs

Meanwhile

UPDATE: From America’s Newspaper of Record: Soccer Team Apologizes For Running Up The Score In 2-0 Blowout.

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 10:58 am

The Libs are full of Tim Smith types, accountants with delusions of adequacy.

This, from a fat slob dill who lives in a basement in front of a fantasy footy screen. But that’s the lefty “normal”- comprising all the weirdos of the wonderful rainbow freak show.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 10:59 am

Except here in the east we have this thing called the National Electricity Market

Yeah there is that … And the State governments really own the gas fuck up which has yet to hit manufacturing and employment.

Zipster
November 27, 2022 11:01 am

Frankly, IF we wanted to place a sudden order just for Uniforms for a Million Man Army bump, we would need to order them from China. We no longer make the fabric nor sew it into clothes. IF we wanted to stock up on military necessary medicines for that army, we would need to order it from China. IF we wanted pots & pans to cook for that army, China again… We can’t even feed and clothe a new army…

when war with china breaks out the first criteria will be to destroy their industrial infrastructure, a daunting job of such a large scale that it can only be done with nukes.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 11:01 am

You lot are going to go mental over the reconstituted SEC. Rafe will do post after post about it.

Interesting to see if it starts a trend among state governments.

Mater
November 27, 2022 11:01 am

No, but it still leaves almost 50% of Vic voters supporting either Labor or the Greens.

True. 50% who are going to learn a harsh lesson, and like a drowning person, they’ll pull others down with them.

Mater
November 27, 2022 11:03 am

You lot are going to go mental over the reconstituted SEC.

SEC in name only. The SEC was never run on renewables, because it can’t be done.

Bluey
Bluey
November 27, 2022 11:03 am

H B Bearsays:
November 27, 2022 at 10:59 am
Except here in the east we have this thing called the National Electricity Market

Yeah there is that … And the State governments really own the gas fuck up which has yet to hit manufacturing and employment.

I’m more or less expecting my current employer will go under in the next year or two. They’re a big electricity user. Supposedly they have the price locked in until 2025, but if there’s none to be had they’re still screwed. Same if the provider goes under, like a few did recently.
About 40 employees in total, mostly working full time hours. Not that big, but one of the bigger in the industry.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 11:05 am

These smug eco-hipsters’ failed energy firm Bulb has cost British taxpayers £6.5billion… so, GUY ADAMS asks, how DID they both walk away with millions?

Shamefully, given the millions they extracted, Wood and Gudka’s stewardship of the firm has instead cost the Exchequer billions.

To blame is a harsh reality: under Wood’s seven-year reign, Bulb Energy never made a profit. Instead, it built up significant debts before finding itself facing huge and spiralling losses when energy prices began to rise in the aftermath of Covid.

Things culminated in the company collapsing into administration last November. That in turn forced the Government to stage an intervention so its 1.7 million customers could keep their lights on.

Since then, the Exchequer has been required to continually throw cash at the company Wood navigated on to the rocks. And the amounts have been truly frightening.

The overall cost, according to figures buried in last week’s Autumn statement, is now forecast to reach an astonishing £6.5billion, making it the most expensive taxpayer bailout since the fall of RBS during the 2008 financial crisis.

It’s quite an extraordinary sum, equivalent to £230 for every household in Britain.

Yet in a grotesque twist, Wood has continued to extract cash while the taxpayer has been bailing it out.

During the first five months after the firm entered administration, he stayed on as its chief executive, continuing to draw a £250,000 salary. This scandalous fact was first revealed in April, when he appeared before the Business Committee of the House of Commons.

Indeed, just like that tawdry affair, the saga of Bulb Energy is a tale of greed and arrogance, in which the grasping protagonists managed to privatise their financial gains from a high-profile company while leaving the public on the hook for its eventual losses.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 11:08 am

The Libs are full of Tim Smith types, accountants with delusions of adequacy.

mUnty, don’t forget last time Victoriastan was dragged out the shit it was by Kennett who was in marketing (before SloMo damaged it irrevocably).

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 11:10 am

True. 50% who are going to learn a harsh lesson, and like a drowning person, they’ll pull others down with them.

That’s the main concern. Victoria’s ban on coal seam gas fracking being one instance.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 11:12 am

Speaking of South Australia, the Toy-yoda Hilux in WIP has a SA number plate.

(Unless my eyes deceive me.)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 11:13 am

The Labor government has agreed to redefine a small business – which are exempt from being roped into multi-employer bargaining – to an enterprise with 20 people rather than 15.

Workers set for big pay rises as Anthony Albanese strikes late-night deal to pass contentious industrial relations laws after weeks of debate

. Anthony Albanese’s government’s industrial relations laws are expected to pass
. Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke says change set to happen this week
. It comes after he had talks with independent senator David Pocock on Saturday

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 11:16 am

when war with china breaks out the first criteria will be to destroy their industrial infrastructure, a daunting job of such a large scale that it can only be done with nukes.

A hot war fantasy. The only war with China will be in the Grey Zone. And it will go on for decades.

Anders
Anders
November 27, 2022 11:17 am

Let’s not loose sight of the fact that South Australia has already done 10 times the damage to the NEM than Victoria has, already. From an electricity point of view, they are a mendicant State.

South Australia sacrificed its own electricity system to demonstrate renewables can’t work and yet instead of heeding the lesson the other states rush to follow suit!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 27, 2022 11:18 am
Jorge
Jorge
November 27, 2022 11:18 am

The Lib strategist last night on the ABC talked about female quotas, and David Davis said the party should recruit more Asians. Man, that is going to be a painful conversation. So many mediocre white men will have their political futures written off.

I went out of my way not to vote for the Asian woman standing in my electorate because I do not believe she could adequately represent me in parliament.

But go ahead, see how you go.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 11:19 am

. It comes after he had talks with independent senator David Pocock on Saturday

I wonder what the quid pro quo is for the highly principled Mr. Pocock?

cohenite
November 27, 2022 11:20 am

For those few here who come on and lecture those of us who take on the fat fascist slug, always saying that he’s best ignored, I say a definite and defiant NO. And yesterday’s results confirm what happens when you don’t take on the left, they walk all over you.

Correct; being high and fucking mighty by scrolling past dickless and sometimes crotchless is like ignoring a knife being shoved in your guts. The conservatives lose everywhere because they think there are rules, decorum and a higher moral position. There aren’t. The left win because they fight dirty and implacably; the conservatives lose because they don’t fight at all.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 11:20 am

Does anyone have a transcript of the Chairman’s victory speech? It should provide some LOLs in a year or two.

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 11:21 am

Handy link for the Patten v Somyurek battle

well that’s nice so Somyurek did stand in Northern metro.

you do understand that more than 5 per region are elected to the upper house dont you?

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 11:22 am

You lot are going to go mental over the reconstituted SEC.

Lol. An additional strata of lazy do nothing union parasite maaates getting fat Govt salaries for doing SFA atop the existing abortion of Vic generators. Something for you fat lazy slobs to cheer about, eh mOron?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 27, 2022 11:22 am

4-5″ over the twin cities last night. Set in till Wed or Thurs by all reports. Noice.

Dan romps it home. Sad but unsurprising. Libs preferencing Greens has paid off not. Dan retains a majority in LA and will have no real impediments in the LC with the Greens, the woman of ill repute and a couple of the left wing nut jobs that have been returned.

Sky was not watchable at times. Neville at the start talking over everyone and Conroy just did it all night repeating ALP talking points ad nauseum. Credlin tried but was cut off so many times her points were often muted. Kroger whom I had a lot of time for once is the reason for the rot, though he isn’t the only culprit.

Dark times ahead for Victorians, they have just returned the most corrupt Government in Australia’s history. There is little left in the bank so watch for government charges to start rising like car Rego etc… Fiscally starting to resemble the Cain/Kirner years which I remember being a school leaver in that state.

Zipster
November 27, 2022 11:22 am

Yesterday dropped into the TAB and chatted with old mate in his ‘70s. Very keen punter and voting came up in the conversation. ‘Yeh, I voted Green.’

gaslighting works. look at mutley. put lipstick and a short skirt on evil and the mutleys will flock like moths to a flame, even when they find that evil also comes with a small dick

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 11:22 am

I wonder what the quid pro quo is for the highly principled Mr. Pocock?

A reacharound.

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 11:22 am

five per region

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:25 am

conservatives lose because they don’t fight at all.

We just want to be left alone. We don’t want Gays, Climate and Covid nonsense shoved in our faces, and certainly don’t want to be paying for any of it.

MatrixTransform
November 27, 2022 11:27 am

Matthew Guy to resign … good riddance

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 11:27 am

I wonder what the quid pro quo is for the highly principled Mr. Pocock?

I suspect it will be a relaxing of C’wealth strictures on the ACT legislature.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:28 am

Matthew Guy to resign … good riddance

‘Matt’ Guy 2nd time loser to a corrupt fascist. – slow clap –

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 11:30 am

What exactly will Andrews SEC take over?
Coal generators who are destined to close but not wind farms or solar as they’re private investments.
Owning or part owning a few batteries will hardly control pricing.

cohenite
November 27, 2022 11:30 am

We just want to be left alone.

Well, you won’t be.

We don’t want Gays, Climate and Covid nonsense shoved in our faces, and certainly don’t want to be paying for any of it.

Ignore them and they will be.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 27, 2022 11:32 am

Guy the Gutless runs away.

Zipster
November 27, 2022 11:33 am

A hot war fantasy. The only war with China will be in the Grey Zone. And it will go on for decades.

the current biden taking point, competition not conflict. the same people that thought russia would collapse in 3 months

war with china is baked in, the only question is when china feels it has an insurmountable advantage

keep trading with the devil and hasten our demise

Bluey
Bluey
November 27, 2022 11:33 am

cohenitesays:
November 27, 2022 at 11:20 am
For those few here who come on and lecture those of us who take on the fat fascist slug, always saying that he’s best ignored, I say a definite and defiant NO. And yesterday’s results confirm what happens when you don’t take on the left, they walk all over you.

Correct; being high and fucking mighty by scrolling past dickless and sometimes crotchless is like ignoring a knife being shoved in your guts. The conservatives lose everywhere because they think there are rules, decorum and a higher moral position. There aren’t. The left win because they fight dirty and implacably; the conservatives lose because they don’t fight at all.

Nah, I skip reading him because he’s pretty simple really. He’d quite happily have us all dead, in jail or enslaved for thinking the wrong thing. Not any more complicated than that.

The main problem is the so called “conservatives” haven’t worked out that goes for anyone who doesn’t play along, and acted accordingly. For instance, showing some spine.

Zipster
November 27, 2022 11:35 am

We just want to be left alone. We don’t want Gays, Climate and Covid nonsense shoved in our faces, and certainly don’t want to be paying for any of it

whats the saying, you may not be interested in war, but war sure is interest in you.

we are locked in a death spiral

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 27, 2022 11:36 am

You lot are going to go mental over the reconstituted SEC. Rafe will do post after post about it.

How about you start answering some of Rafe’s points rather than going for the man?

Oh, that’s right. You can’t.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:36 am

We don’t want Gays, Climate and Covid nonsense shoved in our faces, and certainly don’t want to be paying for any of it.

Ignore them and they will be.

Ignoring a turd doesn’t make it go away. I don’t want my tax going to Woke causes.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:40 am

Zipstersays:
November 27, 2022 at 11:35 am
We just want to be left alone. We don’t want Gays, Climate and Covid nonsense shoved in our faces, and certainly don’t want to be paying for any of it

whats the saying, you may not be interested in war, but war sure is interest in you.

we are locked in a death spiral

Too many Woke fuckwits out there. Best at this point is to find a place that is in best position to rebuild once all the madness ends. Which will likely mean after economic and social collapse.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 11:40 am

I suspect it will be a relaxing of C’wealth strictures on the ACT legislature.

Right up to the point where it comes to paying for it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 11:40 am

Ignoring a turd doesn’t make it go away.

It took Hercules to clean the Augean Stables of horseshit.
We are living in the Augean Stables on steroids.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 11:41 am

Japan?

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 11:41 am

What exactly will Andrews SEC take over?

Wait and see.

It’s not going to lower prices but it’s certainly going to stymie private investment in the sector.

Which is presumably why Andrews has already flagged the industry super funds stepping in.

What could possibly go wrong?

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:42 am

keep trading with the devil and hasten our demise

LOL. The Devil is our own voting public and the politicians they elect. The sooner we collapse, the better.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:43 am

H B Bearsays:
November 27, 2022 at 11:41 am
Japan?

I dont know..I’ll let you know in a month.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 11:48 am

Andrews Victory Speech:

“We will govern for all Victorians. We will deliver each and every element of our positive plan to benefit each and every Victorian, no matter how you voted, no matter your views and opinions.

“That’s what our job is, we take our responsibility very seriously.”

Sounds innocuous, the delivery was sinister.
That was after he talked about getting vaccinated and believing The Science.
Same as Gun Owners, they know where you live and they’ve got a list.
If I was living in Victoria and unvaccinated, I’d be moving, pronto.

calli
calli
November 27, 2022 11:49 am

miltonf says:
November 27, 2022 at 8:01 am
The “working class” are now soft people with soft jobs. The stereotype of “working class” bib and brace holding a shifting spanner is a mirage.

Rubbish. Not where I work,

Milton, that’s why I called it a “stereotype”. There will always be workers with the shifting spanner (or its equivalent). My own son is one of them and he is of a conservative bent too.

What I meant was how people see themselves. Those who “work clean” in offices and the like are the new “working class” of socialist voters. And they’re easy to infiltrate, much easier than building sites once were with all the union demarkation disputes and argy bargy, sniffed at by the white collared “workers”.

We are seeing a gradual shift in how people label themselves, in the same way that politics has inexorably moved to the Left.

Just my impressions from a deeply working class, religious and conservative background.

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 11:49 am

Matthew Guy to resign

And here’s me, without the world’s smallest violin.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 11:52 am

you do understand that more than 5 per region are elected to the upper house dont you?

Um…

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electoral-boundaries/state-regions

calli
calli
November 27, 2022 11:53 am

they have just returned the most corrupt Government in Australia’s history

And all by themselves.

The Rum Corps was foisted upon the colony by the Crown. The convicts certainly didn’t get a say.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:53 am

If I was living in Victoria and unvaccinated, I’d be moving, pronto.

Yep.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 11:55 am

Every old white male on the Cat who feels disgusted today should just move to Thailand, might as well live the stereotype.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 11:56 am

m0ntysays:
November 27, 2022 at 11:55 am
Every old white male on the Cat who feels disgusted today should just move to Thailand, might as well live the stereotype.

Did your boyfriend cum in your ass last night?

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 27, 2022 11:57 am

Andrews wife looks like Myra Hindley.
Perhaps it’s the hairdo, perhaps it’s intentional?

Zipster
November 27, 2022 12:01 pm

Too many Woke fuckwits out there. Best at this point is to find a place that is in best position to rebuild once all the madness ends. Which will likely mean after economic and social collapse

If the west collapses, your kids and grandkids will be speaking mandarin, that is if they arent called up to the local organ harvesting plant.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 12:01 pm

war with china is baked in

If you look at Australia and then at China the only bit Xi is going to be interested in is WA and parts of the Northern Territory. Those areas have all the mineral deposits aside from coal. They lack much in the way of round-eye population except Perth.

So China could invade and take everything from Normanton to Geraldton, get everything they really want, and only would have to police less than half a million people. We’d have no way to get any of it back.

I’ve long thought Japan should’ve pushed into the Australian mainland in 1942 because we couldn’t’ve stopped it and they could’ve established an easily defensible perimeter in the NT which would’ve sucked in the attention of US and Australian pollies and generals for years, thereby reducing the strength of any counterattacks elsewhere, like PNG and the Solomons. No way could we have taken the enclave back overland, there were no roads much for thousands of km, and no railways.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 12:02 pm

Razey is the strongest candidate to shack up with a ladyboy rental because he can’t handle actual women.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 27, 2022 12:02 pm

Cassie at 8.05:

I actually now do wish hardship on the young.

You’re going to have to define ‘young’ here Cassie. As an anecdotal anecdote but still undeniably true, my young bloke hasn’t even had the chance to vote for anything yet. He is well aware of what’s what in the world – not because I’ve Struthed it into him for the past ten years but because he’s worked it out.

Why should he suffer because inner-city cocoon dwellers don’t understand that milk comes from cows and cheap power comes from coal?

The Teals are a coven of menopausal bored doctors’ wives with more cash than they know what to do with. Climate scams and covid scaremongering are the tops of their trees. Are they the ‘young’, or the people that voted for them?

They targeted the richest electorates in the country and are currently smashing it. The more affluent the electorate, the stupider the electorate. No reasonable person could argue that inhabitants of these cloistered sporty-Beemer enclaves are ‘the young’.

Wish harm upon the people that voted for it, sure. But don’t lay the blame on an entire cohort broadly characterised as ‘the young’.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 27, 2022 12:02 pm

A hot war fantasy. The only war with China will be in the Grey Zone. And it will go on for decades.

A mate who is ex Army reckons the SF have been restructuring for “grey ops” for a while now. Apparently happening across the world.

That said, China making another move in the Pacific with 10 Island nations now. Apparently the Sol Is model will be offered to all. NZ and Horseface just signed up to more Belt Road initiatives. At a glance I am wondering what DFAT is up too, I am cognisant after having been in the PI’s that a Chicom kleptocrat with a large wallet is irresistible to a PI politician.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 12:02 pm

Don’t need the competition huh Groogs?

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 27, 2022 12:03 pm

Wait and see.

It’s not going to lower prices but it’s certainly going to stymie private investment in the sector.

Which is presumably why Andrews has already flagged the industry super funds stepping in.

What could possibly go wrong?

I can see a big rise in the take up of Self Managed Super Funds or their equivalents (i.e. Super Wraps) if Industry Funds continue to go down that path.

Zipster
November 27, 2022 12:03 pm

Every old white male on the Cat who feels disgusted today should just move to Thailand, might as well live the stereotype.

verily methinks mutley doth projecteth overmuch

Makka
Makka
November 27, 2022 12:04 pm

war with china is baked in, the only question is when china feels it has an insurmountable advantage

I just can’t see the CCP initiating a hot war with it’s biggest trading partners constituting some 35% of it’s GDP. Time is on China’s side to dominate the US and the West in all spheres unless the US and Europe manage to turn away from their present path of decline into impossible indebtedness and the disease of corrosive woke leftism. From the CCP’s view, China can win eventually without self-inflicted mass destruction. Over time. So, we agree to disagree.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 12:06 pm

I dont know..I’ll let you know in a month.

Send us a postcard and a California roll.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 27, 2022 12:08 pm

They might as well make Renee Heath their leader, at least she has a coherent world view even if it does involve the Seventh Seal.

m0nty=fa, the make-believe “Catholic” again reverts to type as an anti-Christian bigot.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 27, 2022 12:09 pm

I feel for the Victorian voters who didn’t vote for that Crap yesterday. But I live in Qld were the Chook and her sychophants are not far behind so I know what you are feeling. The corrupt links between Govt, unions, public service, academia and media is laughable because it is so obvious.

m0nty
m0nty
November 27, 2022 12:10 pm

I don’t welcome Armageddon. Kind of puts a dampener on my long term plans.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 27, 2022 12:10 pm

Monty racistly accusing Cats of being white.
What a hypocritical projectionist.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 27, 2022 12:10 pm

I just can’t see the CCP initiating a hot war with it’s biggest trading partners constituting some 35% of it’s GDP

Not without starving 100m + people within a couple of months. China and the West are trapped in a mutual dependence for the immediate future whether they like it or not. cf Europe and Russia this winter and the next few.

Bluey
Bluey
November 27, 2022 12:12 pm

Bear Necessitiessays:
November 27, 2022 at 12:03 pm
Wait and see.

It’s not going to lower prices but it’s certainly going to stymie private investment in the sector.

Which is presumably why Andrews has already flagged the industry super funds stepping in.

What could possibly go wrong?

I can see a big rise in the take up of Self Managed Super Funds or their equivalents (i.e. Super Wraps) if Industry Funds continue to go down that path.

I can see that being made very difficult, if not practically impossible for exactly that reason.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 27, 2022 12:12 pm

Razey is the strongest candidate to shack up with a ladyboy rental because he can’t handle actual women.

Don’t be a misogynist Monty many on the left would call a ladyboy a woman these days.

Razey
Razey
November 27, 2022 12:14 pm

M0nty will be putting Hunchbacks free tampons to good use.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 27, 2022 12:14 pm

Japan should’ve pushed into the Australian mainland in 1942 because we couldn’t’ve stopped it and they could’ve established an easily defensible perimeter in the NT which would’ve sucked in the attention of US and Australian pollies and generals for years

What? No chance.

There is no such thing as an ‘easily defensible perimeter’ without millions, and I mean millions of people. You can’t establish and maintain a perimeter around Darwin or even Darwin and Katherine because you’ll get Stalingraded, except that instead of the Volga at your back you have the Timor Sea.

You can’t do it in the desert because it’s porous. The NT alone is twice the size of Spain and Portugal. You can’t just block a highway because there are hundreds if not thousands of tracks crossing borders everywhere. The NT’s efforts at border crossing checkpoints during the pandemic were window dressing for that reason.

Invading northern Australia is like invading Russia. It’s so vast, you drown in it.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 27, 2022 12:15 pm

I can see not a total ban on SMSF but regulation to make it economically impossible to setup and maintain. A lot of regulation doesn’t have to go through Parliament so they can start making life difficult for SMSF/Super Wraps very quickly.

Roger
Roger
November 27, 2022 12:15 pm

Those who “work clean” in offices and the like are the new “working class” of socialist voters.

Kim Beazley Sr. astutely spied them on the horizon two generations ago… the dregs of the middle class and many of them perverts to boot.

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