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They’ve voted themselves into Socialism. Unfortunately, they’re just realising they can only shoot their way out.
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Luckily, Trump thought of that!
His solution is fascism.
You are such a smeg head.
a list of the ten most disappointing cities in the world
Three are in China. Never been allowed to go there in my ADF time, and never seen the point in years since.
Is any part of it worth a trip? Have no interest in hi-tech cities, and only going to Dohar for a day next year to break a long flight.
The only thing I can figure is that her lawyers (Blumers; at last she’s found some) are making an ambit claim on the Commonwealth in the hope that the latter will cough something up rather than cop further bad publicity.
Ha yeah, fully auditable, fully transparent, hand counted paper ballots. Incredibly fascist. One of the most fascist things I’ve ever heard.
I people want to wear masks to feel “safe” then by all means wear them.
There is no way I’d wrench a mask from the face of a frightened person. That would be cruel.
Why those same frightened people want to force one one me is anyone’s guess. Maybe the fear of looking silly because they’re the only one wearing one is overwhelming. They clearly don’t trust them for protection.
The ANU report tells us that the Teals are mainly beholden to Labor/Green voters – not disaffected former Coalition supporters.
Of those who voted Teal, 31% voted Labor in 2019, 24% for the Greens and 18% for the Coalition. (23% voted other and 4% drew penises.)
Not necessarily a winning strategy.
Bespoke – What water? When relative humidity is less than 100% moisture dries out rapidly. Then the virus is free to be blown out by the next breath, or sucked in by the next inhalation.
This is all obvious physics, chemistry and biology, but no one seems to understand physics and chemistry these days. And as for biology…LOL.
That’s not what he said, JC.
Trump wants a fascist coup, no elections, just him installed as dictator.
Masks might be an increasingly good idea though…give how many watching cameras there are these days.
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From the Comments
– If this appointment were an isolated event, it would be LMFAO funny. But, sadly, the appointment of Mr. Brinton is not an isolated event, it appears to be the norm for the Biden regime to appoint weirdos to positions of power.
Biden’s cabinet is filled with clueless, incompetent fools. Biden’s judicial appointments would feel at home at the bar featured in a Star Wars film. There’s one crucial trait each of the appointments share is their absolute alliance to the far-left Democrat Party agenda.
Still a few masked poaple mostly elderly but disturbing school kids walking alone.
Bruce
There’s friction, caused by the person wearing a mask exhaling and allowing moisture to soak into a mask from the inside. It’s not 100% but it maybe at times only enough to cause some friction and again that’s good enough. Having said that, mask wearing should be a personal choice only and always.
That might make some sense if there hadn’t been a change of government in the meantime and the AG hovering over the Crown Solicitors office wouldn’t actually benefit from dragging the saga out. I suspect there is a reason we haven’t heard from this particular group of ambulance chasers. The usual Liar aligned mates wouldn’t touch it.
Monty is projecting again I see.
The Left are the ones who sigh in envy about the power that President Xi has.
Long lists of lefties who’ve said how much they like the fascist Chinese model.
Especially climate bedwetters who’re annoyed that ordinary people don’t want to eat bugs.
He’s upset and incredibly angry how the election was stolen. Any normal person would be too. Even abnormal people can get angry. Let’s recall how Crooked and the Demonrat establishment began to lie calling Trump illegitimate the second he was elected.
The eyes have it. You also need the dark glasses.
At best the effect of masks on viral transmission is very minor.
This was outlined in the 2019 pandemic plan which was the best available science and the “roadmap” which was supposed to inform government decisions.
Spoiler: They disregarded 9/10ths of it.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/australian-health-management-plan-for-pandemic-influenza-ahmppi?language=en
IC3: Mask wearing by symptomatic individuals in the community
Application
This measure may be considered by individuals when the disease has a high clinical severity.
Objective and rationale
To reduce transmission within the broader community.
Effectiveness
No evidence. Very few studies have been undertaken about the effectiveness of PPE in reducing infection in the community. Modelling studies of widespread PPE use suggest that mask use could reduce population transmission, although estimates of effectiveness are limited by the quality of data on individual effects. There is evidence from both clinical and modelling studies that earlier initiation of PPE improves its effectiveness.
The evidence highlights that incorrect technique for wearing PPE is common. Mask wearing in the community is unlikely to affect overall attack rates from a pandemic unless disease transmissibility is low, compliance with the measure by the majority of the population is high, and the measure is used in association with other pandemic mitigation strategies.
And remember the temp scanning at airports.
Thermal scanners
Application
Not recommended as effectiveness is likely to be low. Experience from SARS and pandemic (H1N1) 2009 shows that there may be a public expectation of entry screening in some form. Decisions not to do so should be supported by information to the public and decision makers.
Comment, at the Oz, on the “Frontier Wars ” issue.
Water is continually reintroduce to the mask buy exhaling, BoN.
Mole
Mask wearing may impact viral loads though.
Look, mass masking is crap as I, like anyone else ,would wear masks that sometimes were used for days on end. I wouldn’t know which one was old or new when getting one from the car seat to head somewhere. However, to suggest like Hallward Hudges, that mask wearing in a hospital setting such as brain surgery, doesn’t work is just fucking out and out insane.
His solution is fascism.
No dickless; Trump now appreciates how complete the takeover by the demorat commies has been: they have infiltrated and destroyed the system. It’s now wall to wall dickless shitheads. Trump was talking about how the constitution does not envisage a remedy for the corruption by the demorats in the election. That corruption is now proved; except to dickless people.
Hallward
Don’t walk away and answer this question.
Do you think it would be a good idea for a surgical team to conduct brain surgery without masking up?
Go!
Top Ender says:
December 5, 2022 at 9:59 am
Have a friend who lives there, N/W China, nothing like what we see of the usual China here.
Beautiful, clean and pristine, but the same applies, if you don’t want to see big cities abroad, why would you go to all the trouble to see nature abroad?
Sure. But that kind of disqualifies him from the office of POTUS.
He is sounding and acting extremely desperate. What next, he posts a clip of him mowing down an effigy of Biden with an AR-15? It’s hard to see how he escalates from here. And you know he’s going to escalate, that’s all he knows.
Why energy-wise we are where we are:
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has shut down Labor Premier Peter Malinauskas’ hopes of an Australia-wide investment in nuclear power, calling talk about small-scale nuclear reactors “nonsense”.
South Australia Premier Peter Malinauskas has thrown his support behind nuclear power, hoping that Adelaide-based submarine construction under the AUKUS pact will bust “ill-founded” ideological myths about atomic safety.
“Nuclear power is a source of baseload energy with zero carbon emissions. So, for someone like myself, who is dedicated to a decarbonisation effort, I think we should be open-minded to those technologies and I think it would be foolhardy to have a different approach,” Mr Malinauskas told The Advertiser.
But Ms Plibersek told Sunrise on Monday morning the federal government had no plans to invest in the clean energy source.
“It is slow to build and is really expensive. All this nonsense about small-scale nuclear reactors and every summer, I don’t know if there are people on your street who want a nuclear reactor in the local park. But here in Rosemary, that is not the case,” she said.
Nationals Senator Matt Canavan hit back, calling Ms Plibersek’s “ridiculous talking points” the reason power bills are “through the roof”.
“Talk to your Labor Premier in South Australia. This sort of rubbish is why we are in the mess we are in,” he said.
“Because of these ridiculous talking points that we will have nuclear power in every corner, when we are the only continent in the world without nuclear power. Us and the penguins in Antarctica.”
Bespoke – And it continually dries out. And every breath you take dislodges stuff on the mask, the same as vibrating a sieve can be used to get dirt to go through it. Now yes you might slightly reduce the amount of viruses going in each direction but, unlike the lead oxide particles we had to use Racal helmets for, viruses breed. In theory you only need one virus particle.
Also if you wear a damp mask you have a really good breeding ground for bacteria right in front of your nose. Which means if I had a choice between wearing a mask or a magic amulet I’d choose the amulet.
Mmyes, it’s difficult to foresee how democratic institutions can respond to Twitter applying content moderation to its own platform. I know, let’s suspend democracy and install a dictator! There is literally no other solution.
Read it many moons ago, Dot. Surprised you of all all people would use credentialism to make a point.
JCsays:
December 5, 2022 at 10:20 am
Mole
Mask wearing may impact viral loads though.
Best science pre-pandemic, informed by the WHO and numerous and varied studies was it would be of negligible value with a disease with high transmissibility.
The Wuhan lung rot was extremely transmissible, masks in the community were nearly pure theatre.
Thats not me, thats the best science from the governments own plan.
People can wear them till their knobs fall off, I dont care, but mandating them was anti-science ju-ju bullshit so the government could be seen to be ‘doing something”.
Seems it’s all he’s got other than waiting about for two terms for Elbow to self-destruct.
In politics there’s always a flip side:
Dreyfus orders a settlement so that Labor can consolidate the aggrieved women’s vote.
Monty:
He is sounding and acting extremely desperate. What next, he posts a clip of him mowing down an effigy of Biden with an AR-15? It’s hard to see how he escalates from here. And you know he’s going to escalate, that’s all he knows.
Also Monty:
Trump wants a fascist coup, no elections, just him installed as dictator.
His solution is fascism.
Little known fact: excessive glucose levels in the blood make you unable to see your own rampant hypocrisy.
Dr. Ryan Cole on whether the blood supply is safe: “We don’t know”
BoN
All your arguments steer towards masks have ñegative effect be it viral or bacteria.
En masse, likley to be true. But we’re not advanced enough to be able to conduct experiments that can verify if mask wearing in all circumstances is effective. There’s no way we able to prove it one way or another for the reasons I expressed above.
Having said that, we have Hallward suggesting mask wearing in a surgical setting doesn’t work because there was a study suggesting this back in the 60s or whenever. This is an example of a totally useless study.
When Plibbers says it’s nonsense I’m all ears.
Trump: I want to be installed as a fascist dictator:
Cats: See! That proves that it’s the Democrats who are fascists!
What could possibly go wrong?
Feds to Allow HIV-Positive People to Serve in Public Health Roles (2 Dec)
Report: FDA could make it easier for gay, bisexual men to donate blood (1 Dec)
Politics overruling biology again.
There is literally no other solution.
Sure, if you’re dickless. Trump is well hung so he makes sense. The 2020 elections were indisputably corrupt. There is no mechanism for resolving that when the corrupt parties control the safeguard mechanisms. Being dickless you don’t care about that.
Which is what you exhaled. You exhaled the moisture and it would have the effect of blocking some of the pathways thereby causing friction.
And get Penny Wong off his back.
You’d want to run the focus group numbers very carefully. I think the Breakfast TV crew would be pretty pissed. I don’t think Kochie would wear it.
You could have said your anti mask under eny circumstances at the beginning, BoN. Would have saved allot of wasted pixels.
JC, I’ve never understood this argument of yours. You can never get ‘100% identical conditions’ for any medical study since no one individual is identical to any other, nor can you control their environment so that it is also identical for every test subject. I actually think your reaching for an counter-argument because the idea that masks might do little to nothing appears so counter-intuitive.
I can only applaud your commitment to the bit, cohenite. You are going to shoehorn a reference to genitals in every single one of your posts, no matter how stupid it makes you look. If only you had showed such dedication at school.
That’s not credentialism. He pointed to a landmark study, not to someone’s credentials.
Believe it or not there are some folks I know who have silently supported Trump until the recent couple of weeks. He never apologizes, but he should say something about meeting with those two idiots for dinner. I suspect a decent number of his base supporters are a little pissed off with him at the moment and have turned for The Ronster.
Bruce is right. If in doubt, work in a lab.
Aggrieved sexual assault complainants are nothing new in the criminal justice system. There would be a couple of them in any given law reform commission at any point in time.
I think the internal dynamics in the Labor caucus would win out.
And I might even watch if it meant Penny Wong v. Kochie on morning TV! 😀
Bingo!.
Try a little harder then.
You can mess around with chemicals in a test tube, create the exact same compound and then feed it to a large number of people in double blind studies.
How would you even get close to that sort of experiment with mask wearing?
No I’m not. I’m saying that with some things we have to go with hunches because an experiment testing for falsification is impossible at times. It can’t be done.
Hallward, won’t answer as he’s gone flying model airplanes today. Would you suggest it would be a advisable to conduct surgery without masking up?
I no longer have a copy of Kings in Grass Castles, but if memory serves me correctly the drove to the Kimberley took in excess of a year.
The standout incident for me was when they were stopped in the Barkley due to a shortage of horses and were being felled by malaria, one of the brothers rode back 1,000 miles to purchase fresh horses.
How on earth did they navigate?
An old man with grey hair v an old man with no hair. It might rate. Let’s see what the sales guys think. In those inflatable fat man suits?
When you truly believe in the Big Lie, everything else becomes easy. You can even support fascism, because you believe that your coup is only overturning the other side’s fascism… even though that’s a lie too.
Trump is still ahead of DeSantis by ten points or more. The Establishment is pumping hard to shift the numbers, but the base remains with TFG for the moment.
This is not the surgical study I was looking for but for hospitals generally.
From the UK, 1980.
https://jcp.bmj.com/content/jclinpath/33/11/1086.full.pdf
The masks don’t protect the wearer and surgically can only ever prevent bacterial loads. Viruses are too small, plus only the better masks work at all.
monty
WTF are you babbling about?
You are just as bad as the Q Tards some days.
Dot
That’s a different type of study. Hallward was suggesting masks are totally useless.
I don’t believe we’re technically advanced enough to be able to make a claim about masks and I’m also pretty sure that if I looked hard enough I would find a study with a counterclaim.
I was referencing the previous thread of convo with cohenite, who has swallowed the Big Lie completely. He is a simple man who finds comfort in believing that life is a fight between Good and Evil with him (of course) on the side of Good, meaning that all that is not on his side is Evil. Plus lots of dick references, but that’s a separate neurosis.
Aren’t they wearing the same, manufactured mask in the study? If so, isn’t that the same as the ‘exact same compound being feed’ to them in a double blind study?
Even is they ònly prevent bacterial loads why isn’t that enough reason for the doc to use them?
Is that the one the Time magazine article outlined about the ‘fortification’ of the 2020 election?
If only you had showed such dedication at school.
I did. It figures you’d bring up school being a dickless leftie and lefties are united in their special love of kiddies.
Trump now realises the extent of corruption in the system. Being a courageous sort of guy he’ll keep battering away trying to rescue the country and system he admires. I personally think it’s beyond redemption but I repeat Trump is being specific about election corruption and the lack of remedy. He’s not looking to overturn the system. The dickless kiddie lovers already know the system is gone.
Head prefect, I posted an analysis of the dinner Trump had with those 2 pests: he was set up; and this is one of the great man’s weaknesses: he’s too trusting.
According to Rowan Dean last night, the MacDonalds cattle drive from Goulburn to the Kimberly took three years. Hope this helps the questioners.
No, it’s not. How would you conduct such a study, in the exact same room, with the exact same air flow, at the exact same temp with the exact same people with the exact same health conditions at the exact same distance etc, etc. ?
It can’t be falsified.
Near enough is not good enough.
Those 60+ lawsuits that the Trump teams lost were won by someone. You don’t hear about those lawyers much, do you? Patriots all.
He wouldn’t mind if someone overturned it for his benefit though, hint hint.
Pity for him that the ringleaders of his insurrection are now rotting in gaol.
Welcome to the morning mUnty rakefest.
Internet has gone down all across Canberra and nearby NSW, by the looks of it.
Ed, is that you?
I am having a texting chat with a friend about Musk and what just happened with Apple.
Me Quoting an except.
Pal
He’s right.
Musk has enormous power done right and smart.
They followed the songlines, of course!
But seriously…did they have aboriginal assistance? I seem to recall that being mentioned in the book. They would certainly have had compasses and presumably noted landmarks along the way so they could backtrack.
Hundreds of Transport bureaucrats dined on confit salmon and beef goulash as part of a “planning and development” day at the Hyatt Regency, with thousands of dollars of public money spent on a post-event bar tab at the hotel’s rooftop bar.
An urgent investigation into the planning day – and the post-event drinks function – has now been launched following inquiries from The Daily Telegraph. The Telegraph understands that those responsible for putting on the bar tab could find their jobs on the line.
It comes after a horror year in which Sydney’s trains recorded the worst on-time running record in four years and motorists have been plagued by pothole-filled roads.
Staff from Transport for NSW’s “Customer Strategy and Engagement Branch” spent an entire day at the five-star Sydney hotel discussing what the agency had achieved, a whistleblower told The Daily Telegraph.
As part of the event, public servants were tasked with recreating the Sydney Harbour Bridge out of aluminium foil, marshmallows and dried pasta. The whistleblower said staff were told that the activity was to “activate our right brains”.
It was described as an “end of year team bonding” exercise.
About 200 people attended the staff planning day. On one estimate, the event could have cost as much as $20,000 – at $100 per head.
Transport for NSW failed to disclose the cost.
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I think, Bruce Pascoe said Aboriginals invented Longitude and then they gifted it to the British Navy who in turn pretended they found out how.
No I’m not anti-mask, Bespoke, which I’ve already corrected you about once this morning. I am anti fake answers to scientific issues. I’ve worn masks and other PPE a great deal in laboratories and operating sites. They make sense there, when you have exposure to toxic dust or fumes (for which you need an activated carbon respirator, not just a dust mask).
Due to my profession I see it as a duty to correct antiscientific mysticism, and masking to stop a virus is exactly that. Just as there are other scientific myths prevalent these days, particularly pushed by the Left, often for financial and political gain.
Patriots all.
I love it when dickless commies wrap themselves in virtue.
Why are some tweets on the 2020 election being corrupt still being labelled by twaddle as misleading?
https://twitter.com/_/status/1599513923379597312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Hang on, why do you require this level of identity across all relevant variables but not in respect of pharmaceutical studies? Are subjects in these trials required to have the ‘exact same health conditions’, living conditions, etc? Further, if their efficacy depended upon this sort of strict control then their usage generally would be pointless because the conditions for their efficacy would be impossible to practically maintain.
You’re right JC, Musk does have great power. He doesn’t appear to be foolish with it either. He seems to me he’s got that much on his mind with things we’ve never seen before or done differently that he has no time to meddle.
Monty – You are projecting yet again. Fascism is a left-wing political ideology. Anyone with a slightest knowledge of history knows that. Oh and there’s no big lie that the Left will not tell, like CAGW.
If you are after clarity then refrain from comments like this, BoN.
Amulet?
Father Nurgle considers these afflictions as blessings.
Who had the guns munty? Try looking up insurrection in the dictionary dickless.
About Ten miles per day.
Bespoke – In what way is that statement not true for this application? Make sure you address the context in the comment, ie not just that single paragraph from it.
When I am doing hazardous tasks I do not wear PPE all day. I take it off to go to lunch, or to work on the computer. I wear it when it makes sense to do so. It does not make sense to wear a mask to prevent infection by a virus. That is totally obvious to anyone who knows chemistry and SI units. I said this probably in March 2020 and the proliferation of papers on the subject have been exactly as I said – like the one on N95s I linked today.
No! They’re all dedicated public servants who accept a modest salary in exchange for job security! They’re also the best of the best!
This line is always trotted out by midwits – its actually a very good indicator of midwittery – but when asked how many of these were actually tried before the court on the merits as opposed to dismissed by appeals to standing, laches, or the like, its crickets.
I’ll grant them this, like the bushmen of the Kalahari they were good navigators who kne wthe paths of least resistance through the landscape.
Most of our highways and the old stock routes follow indigenous tracks.
Without maps & writing the indigenous preserved this knowledge and passed it on through their song cycles and other means. That’s what Pascoe should be researching and writing about but he doesn’t have the knowledge because much of it that pertained to the eastern side of the continent has been lost and he’s not aboriginal in any case.
How long? As Pogria says above, McDonalds took Three years, Duracks the same. Nat Buchanan’s big effort was something similar.
Ticket inspectors?
2nd week in December and most ALPBC luvvies are disappearing. The B team EPs take charge and a few non speed dial “experts” make it to air. Not for long.
Knuckle Dragger:
She’s worked hard and sacrificed a lot to build this future for herself.
I hope she enjoys it.
Kings in Grass Castles. There’s an account of very thirsty cattle who could smell water coming down from the north. They charged into the river with half the mob drowning. Up in Queensland somewhere.
Doesn’t Pascoe say the locals invented flight?
Actually, watching a two part series on Harry Houdini at present. He was a big fan of early aircraft and actually owned one, a Voisin. He came to Australia at one stage and was said by many to have made the first flight in Oz in a powered aircraft, although some say he was actually third.
Interesting bloke. He used to invite people to punch him in the stomach to show how strong he was.
Bespoke – I’ll add with breeding bacteria there is a time axis involved also. Under good conditions bacteria may replicate every 20 minutes or so. Therefore wearing a new mask for an hour isn’t going to dramatically raise the chance of a bacterial infection, but wearing it all day is a recipe for exponential growth.
No one has said that people should change masks every hour. They haven’t said that because there’s a limit to public patience, and that is over it – just as having a booster four times a year is beyond it, despite that being what the antibody blood sample data saying in the Danish and Israeli megastudies.
Sigh! If you’re frusted at a laymen asking questions that’s not dazzled by jargon and credentials go find a bigger pond, BoN.
Or you could try to be more consistent.
fuck-wittery
Except except everyone that uses them as part of he profession.
Not too hard – head generally SE till you hit the Georgina, then follow it south ?
Heading back to find the mob may have been more interesting.
You’ve got to think big picture – using large navigational end-stops like river systems.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 10:49 am
Trump: I want to be installed as a fascist dictator:
Cats: See! That proves that it’s the Democrats who are fascists!
MontyPox Virus: The Democrats are Pussy Cats and Love Democracy
The Real World: MontyPox Virus is seriously deluded
Brittany Higgins’ partner accuses Senator Linda Reynolds of bullying
Shorter: when will the cash flow start?
Segue for AG Dreyfus to stop the monstering, approve the claim, so that everyone can move on with their lives and get on with the next phase of bagging the toxic Morrison Government. Lest anyone forgets.
Houdini made his flight at Diggers Rest, I think Plumpton Rd area, there’s a monument to it on the road, saw it years ago. Since then a monument has been erected in Diggers Rest but nowhere near where the actual flight took place.
Bespoke – Context is your friend, the context in this case being mask usage policy as forced upon us by the CMO health nazis during the lockdown phase. No they didn’t say change masks every hour.
It was amusing seeing all those people with glorified hankies over their faces. Pretty colours but totally useless. Still plenty of people doing it now.
(Incidentally there was a warning recently about fungal lung infections being on the rise. Hmmm.)
Naaa..
and
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
December 5, 2022 at 11:51 am
Eyrie says: December 5, 2022 at 9:42 am
Might actually take a substantial fraction of a year. How fast do cattle move on a drive?
About Ten miles per day.
History
The Canning Stock Route was created by Alfred Canning, who was chosen to survey a route for Kimberley cattlemen to take their stock to the southern markets at a time when cattle tick issues prevented the use of other transport methods. From 1906 to 1907, Canning conducted a full survey from north to south and return and fund a stock route was feasible.
From 1908 to 1910 he led a team to construct the 51 wells between Halls Creek and Wiluna a distance of 1850km. Wells were constructed one day’s travel apart for a mob of cattle. Extra wells were established in southern parts of the route to accommodate the more limited range of sheep.
By 1929 the condition of the original wells and equipment had deteriorated due to fire, termites and the occasional act of vandalism to a stage where it became imprudent to drove cattle along the route. At this stage, only 5 mobs of cattle and 3 mobs of horses had actually made the trip. In 1929 the Government decided to refurbish the CSR, William Snell led a reconstruction team. He was unable to complete the refurbishments due to excessive temperatures, and so he returned to Wiluna. The Government, upon receiving complaints about the quality of Snell’s work, did not renew its contract with him. They asked A.W. Canning (now 68 years old) to complete the job – a task he accepted.
During WWII (1942 – 1944) the stock route was again refurbished, with the wells brought back into operation in anticipation of an emergency evacuation if the NW was bombed. At the end of the war, shipping of livestock resumed and slowly the stock route fell into disrepair. It continued to be used however, with droving parties completing rudimentary maintenance. It was used for another 14 droves from 1945, with the last being in 1959.
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Dover, how do you think (excluding Covid) pharma studies are conducted?
They are required to have the same ailment, no? It’s not as though they will enter someone suffering gallbladder problems to undergo chemo trials to test for curing or controlling a brain cancer.
Oh, so now you too want perfection. It’s not possible as we’re human.
Higgins goes to sue Reynolds for a bunch of stuff.. but Reynolds is the bully for letting people know about it ?
Truly clown world.
Did that old crow on The Project lose her job because of the way she intervened in the case?
The big deficiency in that cattle drive was surely in economists.
After you reach your destination, then what ?
You’re a long way from your market.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 9:56 am
I have no idea how he plans on doing that, since they have the electoral system locked up and are importing millions of new voters a year. Nothing short of a military coup can now reverse the rot.
Luckily, Trump thought of that!
A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution
His solution is fascism.
Too late, with their joint operations between government and corporations, the DemonRats have already instituted fascism. Check Mussolini’s guide to fascism.
Trump will just have to settle for unconstitutional authoritarianism. Oh, sorry, the DemonRats had that before they went full fascist. He is still behind them.
Sad. Like being a guest on Jerry Springer.
The vileness of the political meja class on full display. You wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire
The Kimberley droves were remarkable, but for me the most extraordinary journey of all was Bering’s trip to Kamchepnia and eastern Siberia.
When the Tzar ordered him to wizz over to the east coast and see if Russia was joined up to North America he slipped off with a small team of 250 and arrived in Kamchepnia a year later having traveled through the Siberian winter.
Discovering that neither the Kamchepnia bears nor the locals were in any way welcoming he undertook a short three month backtrack and set up his shipyard on the Siberian Coast.
Two years later after having built two ships and suffered apalling weather he set off back to St Petersburg where he arrived a year later to tell the Tzar “no, it ain’t”.
The discution is about the effectiveness of the mask, BoN. Not the political aspect.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 10:24 am
He’s upset and incredibly angry how the election was stolen. Any normal person would be too. Even abnormal people can get angry.
Sure. But that kind of disqualifies him from the office of POTUS.
Whereas being a senile old fool with a penchant for sniffing the hair of women and pre-pubescent girls doesn’t disqualify Creepy Joe from that office?
Brittany should dump the boyfriend, move back home and volunteer minding cats at the local shelter. I think she is not cut out for the “ You go grrrrl!” lifestyle.
Ah yes, that old chestnut. Woulda gotten away with it if it weren’t for those damn laws!
Mmyes, it’s difficult to foresee how democratic institutions can respond to Twitter applying content moderation to its own platform.
m0nty=fa
You forgot to add the words “at the behest of one side of politics”.
Here’s the study:
https://jdfor2024.com/2022/01/1981-surgeons-medical-mask-study-concludes-minimum-contamination-can-best-be-achieved-by-not-wearing-a-mask-at-all/
JC can print it out on stiff paper, fold it so it has sharp edges sticking out and shove it up his arse.
It is always amusing watching the scientifically illiterate display their Dunning-Kruger.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 10:49 am
Trump: I want to be installed as a fascist dictator:
Cats: See! That proves that it’s the Democrats who are fascists!
You really need to learn more. “Fascism” is not simply anything political with which you disagree. It has specific arrangements, which the DemonRats have already introduced to the US.
The first box of blue masks we bought for our household had the warning that they were unsuitable for viruses. They were always spit guards at best.
The sight of breath vapour drifting out around masks on a frosty morning should have cured anyone of the thought that they were very effective.
As said above, high quality masks that are changed regularly would be of benefit but nobody did that in the general community and therefor the health advice was dishonest.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 11:20 am
I was referencing the previous thread of convo with cohenite, who has swallowed the Big Lie completely. He is a simple man who finds comfort in believing that life is a fight between Good and Evil with him (of course) on the side of Good, meaning that all that is not on his side is Evil.
Mirror, mirror on the wall …
This is exactly m0nty=fa’s approach to politics.
“You’re right JC, Musk does have great power. He doesn’t appear to be foolish with it either.”
Twitter “dump” after 5PM on a Friday – almost nothing that happens at that time ever makes the mainstream media. Friday afternon is where news stories go to die. Next dump(s) timing will tell whether that was deliberate to “bury” the story as a sap to “the enemy”, or just how things worked out. Tucker did pick it up though, and while he’s harder to ignore than most, they still managed with Bobulinski, so who knows?
“As said above, high quality masks that are changed regularly would be of benefit but nobody did that in the general community and therefor the health advice was dishonest.”
Confirmed by observational studies for mask mandated vs non-mandated areas – almost impossible to tell which was which WRT infections or deaths.
Pity for him that the ringleaders of his insurrection are now rotting in gaol.
m0nty=fa still babbling about the only unarmed insurrection in history.
Tell us, m0nty=fa, how many have been charged with the actual crime of “Insurrection”?
There were two aspects to the “censorship” discussed in the Twitter Files.
First, there was the deletion of posts nominated by the Biden and Trump camps, specifically in Biden’s case it was nude pics of Hunter Biden with his nine-inch hog out. Both sides were able to get posts taken down. This should be uncontroversial – nude pics of Biden’s son are not politically relevant no matter what their provenance.
Second, there was the suppression of links to the NY Post story. You could argue that maybe Twitter should have allowed links with explanatory warnings, sure, but they are a private platform and thus retain the right. There was no government interference in the internal Twitter process, regardless, so it’s not a political scandal.
That is the entirety of the story, so far. Maybe more will come out later, but that’s about it as far as big reveals go. What a fizzer.
Hallward
But I never claimed you were lying -that there was no study, you ridiculous clown. I maintained the study is as useless as you are and that you ought to continue flying toy planes.
It’s useless as any study which can’t be falsified.
You laughable clown, you’re on here most days claiming that the science behind gerbil warming is bullshit. It’s mostly crap because of the studies claiming it’s true cannot be falsified, yet here you are defending an ancient un-falsifiable study because it agrees with your bias. Get the fuck out of here and stop wasting our time, you buffoon.
Also, I asked you a question. Typical that you ignored it.
The masks are very effective
when used to clean the windscreen and rear view mirrors
“nine inch hog”
Effin’ hell munter, you’re obsessed with this laughably large penis.
Remember those nine glorious inches the next time you say others are obsessed with “dick pics”.
There were three times as many cases for ethics violations decided against the Trump 2020 lawyers than Kraken cases they won, LOL. Including Rudy Giuliani losing his licence.
Unlike, say, Grace Tame who appears to be a surly natural.
This is another example of the link to one of Hallward’s posts doesn’t say what he thinks it says and many times suggests the opposite.
Read the conclusion.
? They usually need to move them for a reason.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-29/tom-brinkworth-australias-largest-cattle-drove/5352310
Monty says..
There was no government interference in the internal Twitter process, regardless, so it’s not a political scandal.
Tabbis twitter dump.
In an email dated October 24, just days before the 2020 presidential election, the “Biden team” reportedly demanded that Twitter scrub information critical of Hunter Biden from the site, according to a jaw dropping release of “The Twitter Files” by new CEO Elon Musk.
Twitter staff forwarded a request from what seemed to be the Biden campaign to delete five tweets in particular.
“More to review from the Biden team,” the message, from the first installment of the documents analyzed by journalist Matt Taibbi, read. “Handled,” was the reply.
..
Hunter Biden abandoned the computer at a Delaware repair shop in April 2019. It contained messages showing that then–vice president Joe Biden was introduced by his son to a top businessman at a Ukrainian energy firm “less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company,” the Post wrote in October 2020. The correspondence contradicted Biden’s claim that he had “never spoken” to Hunter Biden “about his overseas business dealings.”
Hmmm who might be more reliable, Monty Sugarman or Matt Tabbi?
when mUnty says stupid shit like, I dunno … Trump wants to be dictator.
its because he’s not here for argument, he’s here for self-justification
it will never matter what you say in response to mUnty
rational appeals or structured or comparative argument cannot work.
the post-structuralists don’t operate in rational space.
his universe it isn’t fact based and j’ismists would call that post-truth
the feminists and other schools have different terms for the same thing
Post-modern, Intersectionality, relativism etc
what you people are missing is the unspoken bit.
have you noticed how mUnter rarely says things like …there was no cheating
or … there was no censorship
for the most part he cannot and will not take a stand-point argument because everything is relative for these people. There are no absolutes.
what he really means and it is the scary part, is that, the cheating and censorship are apparently necessary and reasonable steps toward achieving a better shiny happy outcome.
see, progress right.
for retards like mUnty everything you say, no matter how measured, or how dismissive, or shaming, makes zero diffence.
Everything goes through his bullshit filter and gets mangled into the next brain-fart.
Somebody said earlier today that they are at war with us.
yes, they are
and they have captured education, govt at all levels, the judiciary and the media.
there’s only one final thing left for them to do
Wow! Rake shrapnel flying everywhere this morning.
ah … the exception.
when he does this ^^
it is outright gas-lighting.
ie your reality is wrong
Calli:
Silica?
Like the stuff you find contaminating our beaches and riversides? Are they going to demand we wear N95 masks at the beach? It’s a logical progression, I think.
Sand? This sounds like another grab for regulatory power by the Unions with an eye on the compo payouts…
I wouldn’t trust these bastards as far as I could spit a dead rat.
Robert Sewell,
I grabbed the latest Linux Mint and got it on a USB for you.
I’m just gonna test spin it on an old PC here to make sure it works ok.
then I’ll post it to you.
Heh.
The Cat has it’s own Q and M.
007 eat your heart out.
Doc Faustus:
Top Men?
Tame’s performance with SloMo was masterful. Just like a 15yo asked to clean up their room.
The height of absurdity was reached when you could sit at a table in a pub with however many people were permitted and have a gabfest but you had to put your mask on to get up and go to the bar and order a drink.
Ohhhh Munty, you almost got it in before it went off, never mind we can try again next year.
The whole “thinking at the speed of light, no time even for capital letters” thing is laughable.
Doc Faustus:
It’s surprising how many people wouldn’t have done the measurements.
8 inches is well within my comfort zone, and unless it were someone bloody attractive and of the opposite sex, they’d get a damn good shove away.
It is the fine dust that kill woodworkers, masons and plasterers, Robert.
Nice rendition of an old favourite
Robert Sewellsays:
December 5, 2022 at 1:30 pm
Calli:
Useful for stonemasons and benchtop cutters. Until they aren’t.
Silicosis for the stone benchtop mob has been a known issue for about 20 years i know of.
Its a little like asbestos, takes a while for it to hit and then you are effectively rooted.
Was a number of recommendations such as high flow exhaust fans, working wet, as well as masks mooted as needed.
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/publications/safety-alert-112018-stone-benchtop-workers-risk-silicosis
Its a disease which is preventable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xFgQV7javw
Can’t you feel the rock dust in your lungs?
It’ll cut down a miner when he is still young
Two years and the silicosis takes hold
And I feel like I’m dying from mining for gold
Yes, I feel like I’m dying from mining for gold
ZK2A:
Of course not.
All the Aboriginal weapons were environmentally sustainable and rotted away after the battles. Wot, do you think they were ecobarbarians?
mole, you are an idiot. At the time, Trump was POTUS. Biden did not hold a position in the government. You really are a moron.
Eyrie:
I’m a little surprised no enterprising refrigerator designer hasn’t developed a UV light to go on for a certain amount of time when the door is shut. In these health neurotic times, a mirror finish to the inside walls would enable adequate coverage of the contents…
Trump was POTUS at the time, so if you’re talking government interference then you’re talking Trump corruption.
You fool.
We could stop fiddling around and just nuke the work environment.
World class sugar hazing going on here.’
“The Dems couldnt have interfered in the election by requesting facts about Bidens shady business dealings be censored because they werent in government yet” may be the bottom of the barrel scraped through.
On those grounds then trump couldnt have led an insurrection as he was still POTUS.
Hmmm who might be more reliable, Monty Sugarman or Matt Tabbi?
mole, you are an idiot. At the time, Trump was POTUS. Biden did not hold a position in the government. You really are a moron.
and what did jellyback think the swivel eyed loon was going to do? Bow down and praise him for having no self awareness. Makes me wonder if anyone had ever taken him aside and said “listen Jelly, you’re fuck’in useless. A brain fart is just that”
Probably in the same manner the mask study was conducted.
Yes, but that isn’t my point. My point was that precisely the same problems you alleged re any mask study could be applied to any pharmaceutical study if everything had to be identical.
Not at all, I said if mask usage were as sensitive as you suggest then they would be, aside from the most limited use cases, practically useless.
Cohenite:
And there you have it in a nutshell.
There’s no other way out of the mess – the Constitution has been well and truly torn up. The FF never realised just how corrupt the system could get and here we are.
Not sure just what we can do in the other Democracies.
I’m a little surprised no enterprising refrigerator designer hasn’t developed a UV light to go on for a certain amount of time when the door is shut.
That would rather f*ck up the bouquet of the rosé, Winston
Monty, consider this.
An Aussie and a Yank aid worker are helping out at the site of a volcanic eruption on a South Sea Island. The Yank says, “You from round here, buddy?” “No” he replies; “Victoria”. “What State’s that in?” asks the Yank. “Pretty much the same as this fuckin’ place”, he replies.
—
“Your Honour, I want to bring to your attention to how unfair it is for my client to be accused of theft. He arrived in New York City a week ago and barely knows his way around. What’s more, he only speaks a few words of English”. The Judge looked at the defendant and asked him, “How much English can you speak?” The defendant looked up and said, “Give me your wallet!”
True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us.
– Socrates
I’m not opposed to standing or laches type arguments per se, but when they are applied in such a manner as to deny any hearing they are clearly being abused. For instance, if you denied a hearing on the ground of standing because you have not as of yet suffered any damages and asked to litigate once this occurred, and then you litigate once this occurs and then denied a hearing on the grounds of laches because you were purportedly tardy in bringing the action and should have raised this prior to having suffered damages, injustice is afoot. This is a classic ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ approach to law.
monty, monty, monty.
(Shakes head, leaves)
And now for some levity..
Just a reminder.. far too good to miss, from JC’s link at 5:54 am.
A new star: Alex Strenger
A couple of gems:
“Just look at who they’re letting back on to Twitter OK?
Andrew Tate, Kanye West and that Nazi journalist Savanah Hernandez..
Just look at them! They are the physical embodiment of white supremacy!”
and
“…that’s why we need to cancel Twitter! (hyperventilating x 2)..
Because a free and open internet is textbook white supremacy!
It’s worse than the Holocaust!
It’s even worse than January 6!”
World Championship trolling.. brilliant!!
The Bill to introduce a referendum on the Voice has entered Parliament. I note, with curiosity, Schedule 11:
So no money will be spent for the “yes” or “no” campaigns:
So I ask then, why is it only a “temporary suspension” of spending money on both sides of the campaign if that style is now “outdated?”
The insurrection was to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the POTUS-elect.
The tweets were prior to the election.
You are really, really bad at this stuff, mole. You should probably give up while you are way, way behind.
This did not happen.
Sure, if camels were purple, Trump wins. Camels are not purple.
Okay, bullet point examples of both and describe how they are the same.
So if “pamphleting” is not old and outdated, as per Labor’s reasons for not sending all voters a pamphlet that shows “no” and “yes” sides of the Voice, I guess we won’t be receiving any promotional Labor material at election time?
Matrix Transform:
Excellent stuff, MT.
Ta.
Wodger:
That’s if you were allowed into the pub. Which I wasn’t, and am still dirty about.
On those grounds then trump couldnt have led an insurrection as he was still POTUS.
The insurrection was to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the POTUS-elect.
One is still “the government’ up until the handover of power sugar boy.
It was a facile response to your incredibly facile “The dems didnt pressure Twitter to bury the bunter hiden story” deflection you poorly programmed turing machine.
Yes so let’s just re-elect the mongs that inflicted this. The Hun:
A third of Melburnians say lives are “much worse” than before the pandemic.
The latest Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia poll, out on Monday, reveals that 33.1 per cent of Melburnians reported feeling much worse off – almost double the national average.
The survey, which has for the first time measured the true effects of Covid-19 on people’s lives, showed Melbourne was the hardest hit area, reporting lower satisfaction than anyone else in the state or country.
While 16.9 per cent of Australians said their lives were much worse as a result of the pandemic, 21.7 per cent of Victorians in urban areas said the same.
Young people showed a stark deterioration in mental health, while students in government schools were worse affected than those in Catholic or private schools.
Researchers say this trend would rise in coming years because this HILDA survey was carried out in 2020 – before Victoria endured an another 200 consecutive days of lockdown in 2021.
The University of Melbourne’s Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research deputy director Roger Wilkins said mental health and financial effects were magnified in Victoria.
“We had a higher rate of job loss, higher rates of people being stood down and we saw more people seeking to suspend their mortgage or rent, so we saw a bigger rise in unemployment in Victoria,” Prof Wilkins said.
“Young people disproportionately suffered from the economic effects of the lockdowns, they were more likely to lose their jobs and a much higher proportion of them experienced a deterioration in their mental health.”
As 45 per cent of Australians said their lives changed for the worse, strong household income growth continued, and median incomes rose by $4519.
The report noted that Jobkeeper, the largest welfare scheme in the nation’s history, was partially responsible for this increase.
Research fellow Dr Esperanza Vera-Toscano said the extent of the pandemic’s effects on people, particularly schoolchildren who studied remotely, would continue to emerge.
“When we do the analysis for 2021, the deterioration is going to be larger,” she said.
Taylors Hill mother Evette Hadzisavas said her family restricted their discretionary purchases during the lockdowns while Zoe, 15 and Christian, 9, studied online.
“The kids were really excited to go back to school, and this year we allowed for the bare minimum, but next year I’d like to see them improve,” she said.
It seems a lifetime ago, but I seem to recall that the whole Brittnee wuz Raipt thing started its life as a hit piece to prove that the Liberals had (again) a problem with women, and that it was all part of a rape culture that presumably permeated the party.
Obvious nonsense only a j’ismist would believe could be sold as credible. You could wring every man in the Libs over a bucket like an old washerwoman doing the clothes and you might, just might, get a single drop of testosterone all together. They don’t even have the beta-male’s desire to become an alpha-male. I think they only get erections if there is a good story about them in the paper.
Perhaps those Melbournibad people should get a job with Transport NSW. Daily Telegraph:
Hundreds of Transport bureaucrats dined on confit salmon and beef goulash as part of a “planning and development” day at the Hyatt Regency, with thousands of dollars of public money spent on a post-event bar tab at the hotel’s rooftop bar.
An urgent investigation into the planning day – and the post-event drinks function – has now been launched following inquiries from The Daily Telegraph. The Telegraph understands that those responsible for putting on the bar tab could find their jobs on the line.
It comes after a horror year in which Sydney’s trains recorded the worst on-time running record in four years and motorists have been plagued by pothole-filled roads.
Staff from Transport for NSW’s “Customer Strategy and Engagement Branch” spent an entire day at the five-star Sydney hotel discussing what the agency had achieved, a whistleblower told The Daily Telegraph.
As part of the event, public servants were tasked with recreating the Sydney Harbour Bridge out of aluminium foil, marshmallows and dried pasta. The whistleblower said staff were told that the activity was to “activate our right brains”.
It was described as an “end of year team bonding” exercise.
About 200 people attended the staff planning day. On one estimate, the event could have cost as much as $20,000 – at $100 per head.
Transport for NSW failed to disclose the cost.
In an email to staff, the venue – a function room at the Hyatt Regency – was described as “pretty charming with a view over Darling Harbour”.
The post-event drinks function was held at the Hyatt Regency’s Zephyr rooftop bar, with staff asked in a separate email to confirm their attendance “so we have a clearer understanding of how many people the venue will be able to accommodate”.
“It was probably money and time better spent elsewhere,” the Transport whistleblower said.
Infrastructure Minister Rob Stokes, who is the lead Minister for the Transport cluster, slammed the event as “unacceptable”.
He has demanded a please explain, vowing that there will be consequences.
“This event wasn’t appropriate. Spending taxpayers’ money on a bar tab is totally unacceptable and completely out of line with public expectations,” he told the Telegraph.
“Immediately after hearing about this incident, I directed Transport for NSW to launch an urgent investigation as to how this happened, and to inform me of what action they intend to take to hold those responsible to account.”
A Transport for NSW spokesman said the investigation will “urgently” probe “the purchase of alcohol with public funds at a post-function gathering”.
“If taxpayer funds were used to purchase alcohol, then the Department will not hesitate to take strong action.”
Bespoke:
Yes. I understand that. I was being a little sarcastic.
Silica being inhaled has been around for years since the Romans and Greeks as stonemasons.
Beach sand also grinds down to these fine particles – not that makes any difference to an ambulance chaser or a bureaucrat looking to expand their horizons.
My point is silicosis is not the issue – it is the excuse for expansion of control in the workplace.
Fare enough, Robert.
Walli Dali:
What sort of idiot keeps their roses in a fridge, Walli?
🙂
Oh. OK – Cadbury’s Roses.
I must admit I’ve never thought of using ‘Cadbury Roses’ & ‘bouquet’ in the same sentence…
🙂 ^2
The drove in question, Three thousand miles, should have taken 200 days.
Yet it took roughly One Thousand days.
How can this be? Could it be you don’t know what you’re talking about?
At least the Bowen/King brainfart is starting to draw the robber barons, blinking into the day-light.
Qld to seek coal, gas cap compensation
Read the last sentence again: the Palacechook will “oppose any intervention that hits the profits of public-owned coal power plants”.
At the moment Kogan Creek, Tarong, and Tarong North power stations are making a motza. All owned by Palacechook; all with low-cost captive coal mines also owned by Palacechook; all selling electricity at eye-watering marginal prices set by gas.
These people are filth.
While 16.9 per cent of Australians said their lives were much worse as a result of the pandemic, 21.7 per cent of Victorians in urban areas said the same.
Note the innumerate moron’s device of providing figures to one decimal place, to give the impression of precision, while not mentioning other important details, in order to provide true accuracy and context:
Such as: what TOTAL %age said their lives were worse (much, slightly, just, etc..).
Or, what %age did NOT say their lives were worse?
All one can conclude from this cack-filled abortion of a report is that there was a “difference ” between rural and city people.
And it certainly doesn’t explain why the sheeples voted for more of the same fuck-me-harder-daddy Government that rogered them so lovingly.
The thesis of the Trumpeters is that their leader’s case for re-election was so weak that it would fail unless randoms on Twitter (plus James Woods) were allowed to post dick pics of Hunter Biden. If that has been allowed, Trump would have won and manna would have fallen from heaven.
I laugh in your general direction.
Sure, I don’t know, which is why I checked your assertion against two independent sources I quoted. You found to be wrong again. I checked because you’re a lying piece of shit or you’re just wrong. In either case you lie after being caught out.
m0ntysays:
December 5, 2022 at 2:47 pm
On those grounds then trump couldnt have led an insurrection as he was still POTUS.
The insurrection was to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the POTUS-elect.
m0nty=fa
How many of the January 6 people have been charged with the crime of Insurrection?
How many have been convicted of that crime, and sentenced?
Even one as stupid as you should be able to understand the significance of these questions.
Your just fending off a burden here, JC. If you want to argue that they are different, bullet point examples of both and how they are different. And not hypotheticals, I want you to investigate the methods sections of the masking paper and then any well-known pharma paper and tell me how they are different in the relevant sense.
Mutley that’s low energy trolling, when’s your next prostate massage, seems to liven you up a bit.
Robert Sewell says:
December 5, 2022 at 3:06 pm
My point is silicosis is not the issue – it is the excuse for expansion of control in the workplace.
Correct.
Silicosis causes symptomatic lung dysfunction in extreme cases only, such as years of breathing silicate dust in a heavily dusty, poorly ventilated mining environment, without PPE. This hasn’t been the occupational reality in Australia for 50+years.
Asbestosis is far more damaging, but again, OH&S measures dealt with limiting exposure to asbestos fibre back in the 1960s, after the problems at the Wittenoon and Barraba mines.
Given a fraction of a chance, unions will eventually succeed in killing mining in Australia.
Sure, I’m “fending off a burden” as I really can’t be bothered to go through it especially after you doubted what I said and therefore makes it incumbent on you to show why they’re the same.
Tell me, how would you even begin to devise a double blind study that you can falsify?
Dover, I said it can’t be done. You said it can, yet you want me to prove your argument – that it can be done? Surely, you’re not being serious.
dover0beach says:
December 5, 2022 at 2:09 pm
Dover, how do you think (excluding Covid) pharma studies are conducted?
Probably in the same manner the mask study was conducted.
I have pretty much lost confidence in publications in medical journals. Big Pharma appear to finance much of the research. This is but one criticism, and there have been a lot more in recent years:
https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-top-journal-editors-get-paid-by-big-pharma-corrupt
were allowed to post dick pics of Hunter Biden
Anyone want to guess what Montys screen saver/ background is?
Still more interesting how Labor won’t fund the “yes” and “no” campaigns because letter-boxing is outdated? (S11 of the Referendum Bill’s Explanatory Memorandum states it is outdated form of communication).
But:
1) Who said anything about letter-boxing?
2) Only six years ago the Gubberment gave $15M to both sides of SSM debate. Most used it on online and TV ads – not letterboxing. Only six years ago but now “outdated?”
This tells me Labor must be shitting themselves that they are going to lose the referendum.
This is a lawsuit worth watching.
https://dnyuz.com/2022/12/04/defamation-suit-against-fox-grows-more-contentious/
Lysander says: December 5, 2022 at 2:44 pm
Temporary because the WEF and renewable energy policies mean we will be back to using paper and carrier pigeons by 2025.
The height of absurdity was reached when you could sit at a table in a pub with however many people were permitted and have a gabfest but you had to put your mask on to get up and go to the bar and order a drink.
One one occasion when in a shopping centre with my wife and daughter we were walking past a cafe that had no walls or any other barrier into the shopping centre. The people in the cafe were without masks yet those of us walking past, required masks.
This seemed to be a good ‘teaching moment’. So, I sidestepped into the cafe and removed my mask then, sidestepped back into the shopping mall and replaced my mask. Back and forth three or four times to the hilarity of my wife/daughter and bemusement of those in the cafe.
In accordance with the rules the people in the cafe were seated but it was nonetheless a demonstration of the utterly ridiculous mask rules. Not to mention the overwhelming majority of people, in any setting, were wearing surgical masks which are next to useless for reasons well known.
The United States seems to be sending a message to its adversaries and also to its allies. For the very first time ever, a US Navy’s nuclear-powered submarine was reported to have docked at a remote Indian Ocean Island as a part of an extended month-long deployment.
3 different in-voice stories on their ABCcess radio national before lunch.
All 3 positive or of the “who could oppose this glorious new day”
Unsure when they were playing the “other side” stories/interviews
Catturd ™
@catturd2
Yep – this is what being a tyrant does to you.
I had a double take to even realise the first picture was of her.