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The Census at Bethlehem, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1566


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Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 7:57 pm

They were ALL in on it, all levels.

Who needs sanctimony when they have your stupidity.

You seem very clear that the dead police officers possess some guilt that makes their passing less tragic – do you actually know what their individual guilt is? What did they individually do?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 7:57 pm

Always defend yourself

And if this young bloke was recorded on social media, daring to defend himself?

Zipster
December 13, 2022 8:03 pm

New Zealand passes world-first tobacco law to ban smoking for next generation
The country is believed to be the first to implement an annually rising legal smoking age

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 8:04 pm

Wrong state dickhead.

Sorry not for not tearing up at plod sympathy propaganda. Go have a cry.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 8:05 pm

No amazing brain. What I have stated clearly is that I am withholding my sympathy and compassion for strangers with badges for the very valid reasons I have stated.

Whose verbal king.

Okay, as a special favour, why are you withholding sympathy for these particular officers.

I assume it is not some form of collective guilt, so let’s go back to the basics.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 8:06 pm

Governments Are Headed into Major Catastrophe

From Armstrong Economics –

“I pointed out at the WEC that all my efforts to try to defeat my own model have failed mainly because in our Republics, which are not Democracies, no politicians care about the future – only the next election, Whenever I would be in meetings and warn that we cannot keep borrowing indefinitely with no intention of paying anything off, the response was always twofold (1) they won’t be there in 20 years, it will be someone else’s problem, and (2) we are the government so we are the exception.

The Crisis in the London debt market was profound. The institutions no longer wanted the long-term debt for (1) interest rates were rising, and (2) pouring money into Ukraine for a proxy war with Russia always undermines the currency and leads to inflation. With the expectation of rising interest rates, whatever you buy in the long-term today is worth less tomorrow. It is like trying to buy stocks in the middle of a crash. Of course, those in government are indeed ignorant of how the economy functions in addition to science.

We lack expertise in government and the very structure of our governments being Republics dominated by Socialism, means that politicians are always only interested in the next election and constantly run for election with promises of free giveaways like they use to do 30 years ago – open a new bank account and get a free toaster.

There is simply no possible way to prevent the collapse of our Republican forms of government. But since the media promotes always one-sided leftist fake news, they will be leading us down the path of authoritarianism for the cancel culture is all about silencing any opposition. As Sagan points out, without skepticism we are doomed. What we must start planning for is the reconstruction of a new form of government post-2032 when this one collapses like Communism from its own corruption and weight. No revolution will be even needed.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/govt-incompetence/governments-are-headed-into-major-catastrophe/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 8:07 pm

Who was concerned for the guys welfare? Why 4 cops to the address?
The “Official Story” is that NSW cops gave the station a bell and asked them to drop by, a welfare check.
Which would explain why they were totally unprepared for trouble.
What allegedly happened next doesn’t make any sense at all.
Camo gear?
Why?
The official story is lacking at best and completely fabricated at worst. It’s hard to call it a tragedy when I’m not confident of a single fact.
100%.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 8:07 pm
Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 8:09 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 8:10 pm

Verballing, not verbal king.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 8:10 pm

Neil Oliver Wakes up with Eva Vlaardingerbroek

Sigh.

For my sins I’ve been looking up an actress just now, who did a guest spot in this music video.
I first encountered her with a guy with two hearts. See if you can work out who she is just from the vid! Done rather well since. I don’t thinks she’s Rabz’ type though.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The remembrance & honouring of the murder victims is noticeable to even my dog.
Two police murdered: “Nobody deserves to be executed for just doing their job”
(Each officer had a Glock, taser, waddy, etc. with which to defend themselves)

Bloke did a neighbourly thing, went in his own time at his own expense to render aid to a neighbour who may be in serious trouble. Gets executed for it.
Rates a byline in about 5% of news reports: “… also a member of the public was killed”

This two-tier system of official grieving should get up everybody’s nose.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 8:17 pm

Okay, as a special favour, why are you withholding sympathy for these particular officers.

My comments above might hold a clue, Sherlock. I notice that plod didn’t discriminate during the covid oppression. Young women, grannies, pregnant mums, the mentally ill , the general population were all brutalized.

JC
JC
December 13, 2022 8:17 pm

Lordie, Rodney Rottenhead is armstronging again.

Bill Gates has specifically highlighted sub-Saharan Africa as problem because the fertility rate is zooming at 4.56 kids per female. If economic growth doesn’t speed up and it’s not those folks are going to be poorer even if there is economic growth. This is a perfectly reasonable comment to make and it isn’t contestable especailly by the fucking fraud your always posting, you lowrent douchebag.

The growth is below the fertility rate and the median population age is 19.7. Basically they’re young teenagers.

Real GDP Growth
Growth in sub-Saharan Africa will slow sharply to 3.6% in 2022 and remain subdued at 3.7% in 2023.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 8:22 pm

The UK is irrevocably lost. The surprising thing is the BBC cares about this at all.;

Despite passing new legislation earlier this year making it illegal to knowingly enter the United Kingdom without permission, fewer than 100 migrants reaching Britain’s shores have been arrested, according to the BBC.

The public broadcaster reported on Monday that the figure of those arrested since the law change was equal to just 0.3 percent of new arrivals, with more than 42,000 individuals using irregular channels to enter the country.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 8:22 pm

But what about these officers?

Do you think they were involved in what people higher up – or even of the same rank – the naughtiness of the police.

It sounds like you are saying they must bare blame for what we conveniently , but inaccurately, ascribe to the whole.

Succinctly now – what do you know of these people to justify withholding a sense of compassion?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2022 8:31 pm

BoN at 5.04:

More interesting is why the perps hung around for 6 hours after the initial firefight, rather than taking off.

Because crooks are stupid, that’s why.

Zipster
December 13, 2022 8:34 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2022 8:34 pm

Sal at 3.27:

“Thunk” noise of car door closing.
Actually, make that Four “thunks”.

Allegedly and apparently, this is not something taught in police academies – but is very much taught by wiser heads.

No thunking.

Christine
Christine
December 13, 2022 8:34 pm

It’s been a sad day for the people at Police Communications on the range.
But they don’t need sympathy.
Let the cop-haters bristle with their predictable indignation.
Courageous cop-haters could take comfort in fond memories of their fierce, physical push-back during the lockdowns?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2022 8:40 pm

Lode at 5.21:

But I have not heard that they refuse to attend car accidents where both humans and metal have been torn open, or refused to go out to a house when some mad man has just thrown his wife through a sliding door, or attended someone’s house to tell them that their son or daughter has just taken their own life, or try to calm down and subdue a freak on meth wielding a brick or broken bottle fighting demons in their own head, or separate to drunks with their arms flailing wildly because of – well, no reason that makes sense really, and so on.

Quite a few refused to enforce anything to do with mandates. I know plenty of jacks up here walked or drove the other way. The protests weren’t dispersed with OC spray and baton rounds, and nobody got a hiding.

I hear from some excellent sources that quite a few in Vic and NSW did the same thing – mostly older, more experienced blokes. All their absence did, though, was to allow the young cockheads with about five minutes in that line of work to granny-stomp and go full nasty on the public at large.

Behaviour like that used to be rewarded with a hiding out the back of the station and repeated, very very stern advice that police work wasn’t for them.

Apparently, and in much simpler and better times.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
December 13, 2022 8:42 pm

What happened at 10.30pm that finished the whole event?
Were the perps sniped with night vision?
Out of ammo?
The media still need to ask relevant questions of police.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Knuckle Dragger says: December 13, 2022 at 8:34 pm

Sal at 3.27:
“Thunk” noise of car door closing.
Actually, make that Four “thunks”.

Allegedly and apparently, this is not something taught in police academies – but is very much taught by wiser heads.
No thunking.

Totally agree. However the visit didn’t seem to be clandestine or surreptitious.
Apparently they were * beeping * the horn to get attention.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2022 8:45 pm

And at 6.45:

the outrage you feel toward those in the police department who behaved so abhorrently

Every large organisation has fuckwits in it. The ADF certainly did – not all of them were Cosgroves or Potts’ in my time (admittedly some time ago now). To throw them all in the same bucket is like saying every engineer, regardless of type and from wherever in the country is a rampant poof*.

The shit bit is that this particular group has the power to deprive you of your liberty, should they see fit to do so.

*Apologies to engineers. Used as an example.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2022 8:47 pm

This is a hard sell when we are told that the category sex by nothing less than Cambridge Dictionary is something that we can simply a matter of choice as opposed to nature. In fact, the pecularity of our age is its slavish devotion to ‘subjective experience’.

Human beans, faced with their ignorance of the details, fill in the gaps with what are called default assumptions.. Some make charitable, kindly assumptions, e.g. that the murdered cops were good ordinary ppl. Some make uncharitable assumptions, e.g. that they were like the more repulsive cops we saw in action in Danistan.

Neither are warranted. The fact is we don’t know enough about the murdered six to justify tears or satisfaction. The only justification for tears is that murder is (almost) always wrong, and that being charitable is (almost) always the better response.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2022 8:48 pm

Wrong quote.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2022 8:48 pm

The media still need to ask relevant questions of police.

The jacks won’t tell them Gez – not until the inquest, at least.

Any answers will be along the lines of ‘we are not going to comment on operational matters’ and/or ‘but disclosing methodology’.

The job isn’t 24 hours old yet, either.

custard
custard
December 13, 2022 8:51 pm

18 U.S. Code §?2385. Advocating overthrow of Government.
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 8:52 pm

DrBeauGansays:
December 13, 2022 at 8:47 pm

9/10

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 8:57 pm

The must-read politics books of 2023 Troy Bramston Follow @TroyBramston
Tanya Plibersek will have her life documented in an upcoming biography.

12:00AM December 13, 2022
96 Comments

The first minister in Anthony Albanese’s government to have their biography written since the election is not the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Treasurer or the Senate leader but Environment Minister and former Labor deputy leader Tanya Plibersek, who will have her life chronicled by Margaret Simons.

Tanya Plibersek: On Her Own Terms (Black Inc) follows previous biographies on Albanese by Karen Middleton and on Penny Wong, also by Simons. Plibersek, who remains the frontrunner to succeed Albanese as Labor leader, co-operated with Simons and the book promises to reveal what drives her, what she values and what to expect next.

This forthcoming book is one of many must-read tomes in this 11th annual survey of leading publishers about notable politics, history, biography and nonfiction titles to be published next year.

Any Cats fancy a biography of Tanya Plibersek or Penny Wong under the Christmas tree? Nah, me neither.

Frank
Frank
December 13, 2022 8:58 pm

Stop trying so desperately to make cookers into a thing. Cookers is not a thing but the constant repetition makes you look even more needy. Have some self respect, Monty and remember, you are supposed to be a man.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 9:01 pm

Monty and remember, you are supposed to be a man.

“Supposed” being the operative word.

custard
custard
December 13, 2022 9:01 pm

Also US Code Chapter 115

cohenite
December 13, 2022 9:02 pm

Dave Price, our Jacinta’s dad, on PML. Outstanding bloke.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Have some self respect, Monty and remember, you are supposed to be a man.

Monty is a Cookerburra.

cohenite
December 13, 2022 9:03 pm

The first minister in Anthony Albanese’s government to have their biography written since the election is not the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Treasurer or the Senate leader but Environment Minister and former Labor deputy leader Tanya Plibersek, who will have her life chronicled by Margaret Simons.

I bet there’ll be a chapter or 2 about her drug dealer hubbie.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 9:06 pm

Stop trying so desperately to make cookers into a thing

It’s projection Frank.
Monty is very into it.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

What happened at 10.30pm that finished the whole event?

If there’s a pool on this I’ll take the square that says the owlhoots escalated the standoff in some fashion & there was no option for the SERT but to drop ’em.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 9:07 pm
Mater
December 13, 2022 9:08 pm

The media still need to ask relevant questions of police.

The jacks won’t tell them Gez – not until the inquest, at least.

Based only on the scant details we’ve been given, I wouldn’t be surprised if the police visit was initiated by a call from the perpetrators themselves…similar to the Walsh St ambush.

Such a scenario would explain some of the less explicable aspects. It just seems more planned than opportunistic, though it’s not impossible that they routinely got around in cams, and had guns at the ready, for just such an occasion.

That they were looking to do a similar thing to the next set of responders (including SERT), would explain why they hung around waiting to swamped.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 9:09 pm

Admit it Monty. You’re a cooker.
In drag.

Mater
December 13, 2022 9:12 pm

Admit it Monty. You’re a cooker.
In drag.

Who has a disturbing preoccupation with impregnating cats!

cohenite
December 13, 2022 9:13 pm

He’s a dickless dickhead.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 13, 2022 9:14 pm

Any Cats fancy a biography of Tanya Plibersek or Penny Wong under the Christmas tree? Nah, me neither.

I’m currently having root canal therapy on my front tooth without anaesthetic. Preferable to reading Plibbers life story as told to an ageing pommy lezzo.

Frank
Frank
December 13, 2022 9:16 pm

Oooh look, a wiki page, must be a thing. You sad bastard.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 9:19 pm

DrBeauGansays:
December 13, 2022 at 8:47 pm
This is a hard sell when we are told that the category sex by nothing less than Cambridge Dictionary is something that we can simply a matter of choice as opposed to nature. In fact, the pecularity of our age is its slavish devotion to ‘subjective experience’.

Human beans, faced with their ignorance of the details, fill in the gaps with what are called default assumptions.. Some make charitable, kindly assumptions, e.g. that the murdered cops were good ordinary ppl. Some make uncharitable assumptions, e.g. that they were like the more repulsive cops we saw in action in Danistan.

Neither are warranted. The fact is we don’t know enough about the murdered six to justify tears or satisfaction. The only justification for tears is that murder is (almost) always wrong, and that being charitable is (almost) always the better response.

Tversky and Kahneman refer to the availability heuristic, our tendency to reach for explanations that come readily to mind. It highlights something I read in another life: put aside your first explanation and look for another. I go further, if there is an ongoing debate then consider that the reference frame is wrong or we lack the necessary information.

I don’t even know why so many are so anxious to generate so many explanations for something that happened less than 24 hours ago, the only source of information is the MSM(yeah trust that), and why so many want to turn this event to their political advantage.

I’ve just been playing Borderlands 2, that is better for me than all this storytelling because FPS games improve cognition. Yay, I killed a bunch of monsters. My life is meaningful again.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2022 9:19 pm

Despite passing new legislation earlier this year making it illegal to knowingly enter the United Kingdom without permission, fewer than 100 migrants reaching Britain’s shores have been arrested, according to the BBC.

The Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, who plays a straight bat on illegal entry, is facing subversion from within the ranks of those who’ve sworn to uphold the law.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2022 9:23 pm

amongst normal people who hate government

yep, cookers

NFA
NFA
December 13, 2022 9:25 pm

mont-i-fa often tries to post at the furniture store.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2022 9:29 pm

Plibersek, who remains the frontrunner to succeed Albanese as Labor leader…

The Labor Party & the chjatterati may well think so, but unless she has a plan to reverse most of Elbow’s key policies, particularly in energy and the economy, she’ll be the Jacinda Ardern of Australian politics.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2022 9:30 pm

They’d have had to be blind & deaf to miss the arrival.

do you have a warrant?
no
then fuck of and come back with a warrant
but we have a reasonable suspicion … so do as yr fucking told
er… no

end of story about idiotic overreach

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 9:36 pm

Every large organisation has fuckwits in it.

Not one whistleblower, not a single apology or expose, not a single social media “reveal”, no turncoats. All in lock step. That’s not “fuckwits”. That’s organisational commitment. Better than mafia standard commitment it seems.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 9:39 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 9:07 pm
https://cookerpedia.org/

This looks like another case of m0nty=fa being the only one who hears the dog whistle.

Remember, m0nyty=fa, if you hear the dog whistle, then you are the dog.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 9:41 pm

NFAsays:
December 13, 2022 at 9:25 pm
mont-i-fa often tries to post at the furniture store.

You say “tries”. Does that mean that he is banned there?

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 9:43 pm

Ed Casesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:57 pm
This is all we know for sure:
Nathanael exposed massive corruption in the NSW Education Dept regards NAPLAN Testing, then he went into hiding, then he, his brother, and his brother’s wife were shot dead in a remote part of Queensland.
Only witness is a Policewoman.

Well, we can put down the binoculars, there’s nothing to see here.

ok – that settles it.

Headcase is here to sprinkle the blog with conspiracy turds for the denouement of the newcat and all who sail on her.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 9:46 pm

Car on fire.
Obviously not a bushfire, extinguisher required.

yeh – because anyone who’s interested in helping looks at the colour of the smoke at a distance and says ‘nah, fuck it, I’d need an extinguisher’

Zipster
December 13, 2022 9:46 pm

Sovereign citizens involved in the shooting of Queensland police officers in Wieambilla | 7NEWS

the irony of first nations and “Sovereign citizens” is lost on the lamestream media

looks like they rolled in there with an armoured vehicle and put an end to the siege

NFA
NFA
December 13, 2022 9:55 pm

You say “tries”. Does that mean that he is banned there?

lol

m0nty
December 13, 2022 9:56 pm

mont-i-fa often tries to post at the furniture store.

Not me. I went there once many moons ago, looked boring.

Zipster
December 13, 2022 10:03 pm

US ‘Strongly’ Rejects WTO Ruling on Trump Tariffs; WH Defends $200M Grant to Firm with China Ties
China in Focus – NTD
00:55 U.S. ‘Strongly’ Rejects Wto Ruling on Trump Tariffs
02:54 White House Defends $200M Grant to Firm with China Ties
04:27 Chicago Group Protests CCP’s Human Rights Violations
06:26 Nuremberg Rally Appeals for Human Rights, Decades-Long Persecution of Falun Gong Highlighted
09:12 U.S. Officials Visit China, Prepare for Blinken Trip
10:41 A Cautious Response as China Eases Zero-COVID-19 Policy
12:55 Hong Kong Pro-Democracy Tycoon Jimmy Lai Sentenced to 5+ Years in Jail
14:43 Japanese Official Calls for Boosted Defense Spending
16:19 African Leaders Arrive for U.S. Summit

NFA
NFA
December 13, 2022 10:07 pm

m0nty says:
December 13, 2022 at 9:56 pm

mont-i-fa often tries to post at the furniture store.

Not me. I went there once many moons ago, looked boring.

lol

rickw
rickw
December 13, 2022 10:15 pm

There is no reason for them to cook that data and using those style of arguments is just another example of people committing the source fallacy to maintain their prior beliefs.

John H. There is every reason for them to cook the data. What would lockdowns and corresponding spike in suicides look like?

I don’t know how or why, but every government bureaucracy seems dedicated to selling the story that government and bureaucracy did a magnificent job during COVID.

The person I talked to was collating data for Victoria, the comment was that it was concerning. I don’t know why they said that, and I don’t know why the ABS data doesn’t support that.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 10:16 pm

more little tidbits keep being released.

All three – including the woman – were in fatigues.

Really beginning to sound like they had a thermos of kool-aid ready to go.

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 10:20 pm

A quick question for the knowledgeable amongst us – do the police watch those Dashcam videos and end up booking some of the drongos?

Arky
December 13, 2022 10:27 pm

Well done libertarian fuckheads with your “free trade” bullshit.
No more car manufacturing in Australia, and waiting times of a year and more for most cars, even really shit ones like Hyundais. And how’s the prices?
Your $30,000 brand new six banger Falcon is a long lost memory. You are now paying thousands more than that for Korean complete shit boxes. No, no, really, well fucking done morons.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2022 10:30 pm

do the police watch those Dashcam videos

no
if it isnt about property or power
they just don’t give a fuck

…remember who they work for

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2022 10:30 pm

looks like they rolled in there with an armoured vehicle and put an end to the siege

yep and it has half a dozen bullet strikes on the armoured glass

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 13, 2022 10:34 pm

Arky, compare the last Oz built Falcon to roll off the line to the Kia Stinger.

Arky
December 13, 2022 10:37 pm

Wally Dalí says:
December 13, 2022 at 10:34 pm
Arky, compare the last Oz built Falcon to roll off the line to the Kia Stinger.

..
Ok.
The Falcon will do 600,000+ km before being ready for the scrap heap. Parts were locally made and plentiful. You could run them on LPG at 50 cents a litre.
Now the Kia: ITS A SHITBOX FOURBANGER.

Zipster
December 13, 2022 10:41 pm

https://cookerpedia.org/

shows you what a bunch of cunts the woke are

Zipster
December 13, 2022 10:43 pm

Not me. I went there once many moons ago, looked boring.

not enough climate and lgbtpq action for smutley

Arky
December 13, 2022 10:45 pm

Also: You can’t even get your Kia shitbox. Good luck if your current car shits itself for any reason. You are on public transport for the foreseeable, unless you want to wage even more money on a stopgap vehicle while you wait for a newy.

Out of 25 Australian brands, Kia has the 8th longest waiting time.

The longest wait periods for new Kia vehicles are for the Kia Sportage (195 days), Kia Stinger (191 days) and Kia Carnival (166 days).

In general Kia wait times are getting worse with wait times now 5% longer than they were 3 months ago.

To get a current estimate of the availability of a specific vehicle, please choose a model below to be connected to an accredited Kia dealer in your area.

https://pricemycar.com.au/delivery-dates/kia/stinger

Barry
Barry
December 13, 2022 11:01 pm

Didn’t take long…

Former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins has settled a compensation claim with the Commonwealth after launching civil legal action.

Her legal team confirmed the parties settled the claim on Tuesday night after a day of mediation.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
December 13, 2022 11:02 pm

The Falcon will do 600,000+ km before being ready for the scrap heap. Parts were locally made and plentiful. You could run them on LPG at 50 cents a litre.
Now the Kia: ITS A SHITBOX FOURBANGER.

Well said, I go plus 100. And my last Falcon did 673,000 for me and I still found a willing buyer!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
December 13, 2022 11:05 pm

FMD, she got drunk, didn’t get a root but ends up a millionaire.
Ah Australia the lucky country.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
December 13, 2022 11:16 pm

Real Deal says:
December 13, 2022 at 9:14 pm

Any Cats fancy a biography of Tanya Plibersek or Penny Wong under the Christmas tree? Nah, me neither.

I’m currently having root canal therapy on my front tooth without anaesthetic. Preferable to reading Plibbers life story as told to an ageing pommy lezzo.

Well I can go to bed now, you gave me my belly laugh for the day.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 13, 2022 11:16 pm

The description in some media of the neighbour ‘caught in the crossfire’ is a bit concerning, could just be j’ism ism, or preparing the ground for a coronial finding of friendly fire?

(and I hate having become so cynical)

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 13, 2022 11:18 pm

Brittany Higgins has reached a confidential settlement with the Commonwealth after the former political staffer’s claims of sexual assault at Parliament House.

Daily Mail

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 11:24 pm

Daily Mail.

Chilling audio reveals the horror moment cop killer brothers opened fire on four officers and a neighbour tragically killing three – as one of the victims begged for her life at time she was gunned down

Arky
December 13, 2022 11:25 pm

I will tell you, when I was arguing in the past that we should keep car manufacturing onshore because of our geography and the possibility of shipping our lanes perhaps to be disrupted, I never expected to be proved right. I made the argument seeing it as an example of a possible risk. I never thought I would see the risk manifest in reality. That we would see waiting times of a year for delivery of common, ordinary basic cars. Who would think that would become normal? That you must spend $30,000 for a secondhand five year old bloody Camry? Who would imagine this before the thing came and everyone went mad?

Zipster
December 13, 2022 11:27 pm

Who would imagine this before the thing came and everyone went mad?

You ain’t seen nothing yet.

Zipster
December 13, 2022 11:28 pm

Brittany Higgins has reached a confidential settlement with the Commonwealth after the former political staffer’s claims of sexual assault at Parliament House.

pay day

rickw
rickw
December 13, 2022 11:57 pm

Brittany Higgins has reached a confidential settlement with the Commonwealth after the former political staffer’s claims of sexual assault at Parliament House.

A Grade scamming.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 14, 2022 12:01 am

Brittany Higgins has reached a confidential settlement with the Commonwealth after the former political staffer’s claims of sexual assault at Parliament House.

Daily Mail is allowing comments – none of them too charitable.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 14, 2022 12:23 am

Now that it is out of moderation, I had a comment https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/12/13/open-thread-tue-13-dec-2022/comment-page-2/#comment-403639 about the last Twitter File thread this morning. Highlighting the irony.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Colonel Crispin Berka says: December 14, 2022 at 12:23 am

Thank you CCB. Excellent collation.

local oaf
December 14, 2022 12:32 am

Labor government pays huge amount of taxpayers money to scammer, thereby confirming in the minds of millions of voters that the opposition party is a bunch of ropists.
Payment for services rendered.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 14, 2022 12:37 am

Plibersek, who remains the frontrunner to succeed Albanese as Labor leader…

Just like Bishop. But dumber. Not that has ever been a disqualifying factor.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 12:43 am

Thought leadership is back, back baby.

Arky says:
December 13, 2022 at 11:25 pm
I will tell you, when I was arguing in the past that we should keep car manufacturing onshore because of our geography and the possibility of shipping our lanes perhaps to be disrupted, I never expected to be proved right.

You were never proven right, you moron. There is a shortage of components around the world whereas the sea lanes are fine.Domestic production would be impacted just as much as those overseas. It means you’re wrong again.

I made the argument seeing it as an example of a possible risk.

No one is complaining about the risk except you, you hyperbolic imbecile.

I never thought I would see the risk manifest in reality. That we would see waiting times of a year for delivery of common, ordinary basic cars. Who would think that would become normal?

That’s what you end up with, with lockdowns.

That you must spend $30,000 for a secondhand five year old bloody Camry? Who would imagine this before the thing came and everyone went mad?

Everyone isn’t mad. That doesn’t apply to you though peddling the idea we should have a protected industry with huge tariff walls and quotas. A few months ago you waved goodbye telling us you were settling down at the lollipop Cat. Why are you still here?
Enuff of this economic bilge.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 14, 2022 12:46 am

Brittany off to the races. Not that the mushrooms will ever know. Those sounds in the background are the DPP breathing a sigh of relief and the media caravan rolling on. I think.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 12:49 am

Well done libertarian fuckheads with your “free trade” bullshit.

Except we don’t have free trade you dickhead.

No more car manufacturing in Australia, and waiting times of a year and more for most cars, even really shit ones like Hyundais. And how’s the prices?

Are you really this stoopid? Yes you are. You actually believe domestic production wouldn’t be impacted by the component shortages? You really aren’t that bright, are you.

Your $30,000 brand new six banger Falcon is a long lost memory. You are now paying thousands more than that for Korean complete shit boxes. No, no, really, well fucking done morons.

Take your meds.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 14, 2022 12:50 am

Another outstanding performance by Marise Payne today. Expect an encore from SloMo tomorrow. Australia really was in the best of hands while they were on the levers.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

There is a shortage of components around the world whereas the sea lanes are fine.Domestic production would be impacted just as much as those overseas.

It would be helpful in proving him wrong to provide some idea of the wait time for a Kia in Korea.
So we can see that people in Australia aren’t waiting any longer than anywhere else for their Korean go-kart.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 14, 2022 12:54 am

ML. Am in Asia atm. Your sources on hijab & niqab are solid from what I know. I was told similar from interpretors in central Asia in much more hard-line places. Unfortunately the wahabi shite is infecting the moderate nations that were Indo & Malaysia.

As for the cop shootings in Qld, yup made world news. IMO there’s much more to this than known. I suspect a narrative will be weaved & we’ll never know the actual particulars.

I do have an ex plain clothes d who was one of the crew that blew open a nationally high profile case as a cousin. He was one of the good guys and his works drove him to an early grave. I do have utmost disgust for VicPol actions though. For me rock & hard place situation.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 12:55 am

Leadership

Go ahead. Start up a car manufacturing operation. If you succeed you’d be just like Musk. Instead of sitting at home festering and doing nothing, show us how it’s done.
No tariffs or quota walls.
Go, I dare you.

Go speak to private equity and arrange the finance.

John H.
John H.
December 14, 2022 12:57 am

rickwsays:
December 13, 2022 at 10:15 pm
There is no reason for them to cook that data and using those style of arguments is just another example of people committing the source fallacy to maintain their prior beliefs.

John H. There is every reason for them to cook the data. What would lockdowns and corresponding spike in suicides look like?

I don’t know how or why, but every government bureaucracy seems dedicated to selling the story that government and bureaucracy did a magnificent job during COVID.

The person I talked to was collating data for Victoria, the comment was that it was concerning. I don’t know why they said that, and I don’t know why the ABS data doesn’t support that.

They cooked the data all the way back to 2016? Your argument allows you to make any claim you like because it is non-falsifiable. Once we go down that road we can make up any shit we like. Unless you can prove the data was cooked you are whistling dixie.

The argument doesn’t even make any psychological sense.

The person you spoke to? Why should I trust this anonymous person? How did they collect the data? How do you know they aren’t pushing an agenda? Are you both beacons of objectivity with no political agenda?

Think about what you are asking people to believe. Some anonymous source gathered some data somehow that must be better than ABS data because the unknown rickw says so. The only people who will buy into that are people with a political agenda.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 12:58 am

It would be helpful if you fuck off and don’t ever come back, labor Royalty.

Don’t ever tell to do homework, you redneck drunk.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:02 am

Tell me

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:03 am

US inflation is dribbling down.

Dow Jones Industrial Average futures have risen 709 points, or 2.1%, S&P 500 futures have gained 2.6% and Nasdaq Composite futures have advanced 3.6%. This comes after all three indexes rallied Monday.

The consumer-price index gained 7.1% year over year in November, below expectations for 7.3% and below October’s 7.7% rise.

It will head lower next year too.

rickw
rickw
December 14, 2022 1:05 am
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 14, 2022 1:10 am
JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:10 am

Domestic car production was subsidised to around ~60k a job. That was the price of a domestically produced car!

That’s how inefficient we were. Also, no one told the carmakers to leave. They left because the government refused to fund/massively subsidise those parasites anymore.

rickw
rickw
December 14, 2022 1:11 am

They cooked the data all the way back to 2016?

They would only need to cook the data for the COVID years, duh!

I’m not saying they did, but given that every other branch of the bureaucracy has engaged in narrative related data monkeying. Why isn’t this possible?

As I said, their data doesn’t gel with what I was told, nor my personal experience. I am suspicious of “ABS data says…”

Arky
December 14, 2022 1:13 am

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 14, 2022 at 12:50 am
There is a shortage of components around the world whereas the sea lanes are fine.Domestic production would be impacted just as much as those overseas.
It would be helpful in proving him wrong to provide some idea of the wait time for a Kia in Korea.
So we can see that people in Australia aren’t waiting any longer than anywhere else for their Korean go-kart

..
What you say is true Sal. Koreans and Japanese have as long wait times as an Australians. But that just means that the global system is breaking down for everyone. It isn’t a good indication that not only can’t they supply us in time, they can’t even supply domestically either.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JC says: December 14, 2022 at 12:58 am
It would be helpful if you fuck off and don’t ever come back, labor Royalty.
Don’t ever tell to do homework, you redneck drunk.

Translation: “I didn’t do any basic homework to support my rant against Arky & now I look really stupid”

Get used to it queer-eye boy. I’m never going away.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:22 am

It’s not breaking down, you biased moron. There’s no danger to our shipping lanes but there has been component shortages that would also apply to domestic production.

It isn’t a good indication that not only can’t they supply us in time, they can’t even supply domestically either.

Yep, domestic production here wouldn’t suffer those world wide component shortages. That just happens overseas. You blabber mouth.

Start up a car making business from scratch and stop whining.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:25 am

Translation: “I didn’t do any basic homework to support my rant against Arky & now I look really stupid”

Translation: I’m a loser redneck drunk with zero contributions except stoush trolling , blowharding and low IQ commentary.

Get used to it queer-eye boy. I’m never going away.

Lucky us.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 1:29 am

I’m Labor Royalty

FMD

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’m Labor Royalty

Sewage peasantry is in awe of actual Royalty.
As the peasantry should be.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Translation: I’m a loser redneck drunk with zero contributions except stoush trolling , blowharding and low IQ commentary.

Lol, except you’re the one who neglected to back up some blowharding with any numbers.

An understandable thing for not bother with if you’ve no background in either numbers of data analysis.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:03 am

Lol

Blowharding much? Peasants work the land, you redneck swine. You’re often telling us you’re John Dutton from Yellowstone having moved cattle at the age of three and you bought your first cattle station at 5.

I bet you’ve even lost money in abull market, you drunken inbred loser.

Yeah driller, we’re in awe of someone self describing as labor royalty.
I bet you’ve been in prison , driller the prison gang banger.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Shantaram isn’t taking his loss to Arky very well. Tsk tsk tsk.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:06 am

An understandable thing for not bother with if you’ve no background in either numbers of data analysis.

Bet Georgie doesn’t think highly of your data analysis ability, you redneck slob.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:08 am

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 14, 2022 at 2:04 am
Shantaram isn’t taking his loss to Arky very well. Tsk tsk tsk.

The bizarro Conrad Hilton of FNQ. Prison gangbanger.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Bet Georgie doesn’t think highly of your data analysis ability

Who is Georgie?
& why should he/she be remotely interested in whether I analyse data?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The bizarro Conrad Hilton of FNQ. Prison gangbanger.

Why this constant reference to FNQ?
That’s another story Aunty Shantaram tells.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:13 am

Why this constant reference to FNQ?
That’s another story Aunty Shantaram tells.

So you lost the motel job too? Not surprised judging by the shocking reviews from people you regard as “friends”. You lazy slob. Trust me, they can’t stand you either you blowhard.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

So you lost the motel job too?

What motel job?
Are you confusing Shantarm stories with reality?

Not surprised judging by the shocking reviews from people you regard as “friends”

Some examples would be handy.
Or is this just more “stories told by Shantaram”?

Christ you’re full of bullshit you stupid old goat. No wonder you folded like a cheap suit when I challenged you.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:16 am

Seriously Driller, I get the impression that you’re a prison gangbanger because of the very unsophisticated way you try to upgrade yourself through blowharding. Fraud?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

That’s big, coming from a piece of dishonest shit who didn’t have the chequebook to back the trouble it’s mouth got it into.
That’d be the story of your life. Called outside so does a gutto & runs away. It’s in the breeding.
Trash begets trash.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:21 am

No wonder you folded like a cheap suit when I challenged you.

You’re always willing the impossible. No one buys it you worthless slob. You have nothing to offer except blowharding, yellowstoning, stoush trolling and low IQ comments.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:24 am

That’d be the story of your life. Called outside so does a gutto & runs away. It’s in the breeding.
Trash begets trash.

Look at your breeding, you redneck drunk.
A psychopathic blowhard with zero attributes. Also, I’d bet you’ve been to prison as you sound like an ex con.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:27 am

Fraud?

One of your former pals said you tried to hit him for money and wouldn’t come a mile of you now.
Who’s that Driller?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

A psychopathic blowhard with zero attributes.

Yet you bowed before me & conceded superiority.
I own you.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’d bet you’ve been to prison as you sound like an ex con.

How many ex-cons do you know? Round it to the nearest ten.

After that, explain how I would hold a Liquor Licence & a Gambling Licence if I’d been to prison.
Use as many words as you need to, so that you fully explain it.

You won’t, for two reasons: 1) you can’t, and 2) you’re a blowhard who is full of shit.

Over to you …………
(Don’t post anything until after you’ve addressed the above two points)

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:31 am

Labor Royalty is going through a delusional stupor. He owns everyone and everything.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

One of your former pals said you tried to hit him for money and wouldn’t come a mile of you now.

Lol, name that person.
This is another “story Shantaram told us”

FMD, how about quoting Uncle Remus, at least you won’t be making stuff up if you do that.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

He owns everyone and everything.

No.
Only you & a nice pub. That’s all I own. I’ve got the title deeds to both. Heh.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:39 am

Driller, you behave like a prison gangbanger. No one buys that high rent image you put on.
Prove you own the pub that you supposedly sold under duress.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Prove you own the pub that you supposedly sold under duress.

Sold?
This is another “story Shantaram told to the kiddies”

Ever considered a career writing fairy tales?

I’ve nothing to prove to a piece of shit who couldn’t even back a bet. You on the other hand, have yet to prove you’re not a welcher.
People in Melbourne say your cheques aren’t good.
No surprise.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:42 am

Lol, name that person.

There are three people who think you’re a blowhard dickhead. Seriously, they don’t like you. And you also hit someone for money obviously because banks won’t lend to you.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

There are three people who think you’re a blowhard dickhead.

Name them.
Even for a numerically challenged retard like you it should be possible to get to Three.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

you also hit someone for money obviously because banks won’t lend to you.

Another “story Shantaram made up”

No wonder people who know you say you’re a dishonest cunt.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:44 am

People in Melbourne say your cheques aren’t good.
No surprise.

I’m sure as I can’t recall last time I wrote a cheque you colossal slob.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:46 am

No wonder people who know you say you’re a dishonest cunt.

Language please. Your inbreeding is showing.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’m sure as I can’t recall last time I wrote a cheque

Lol, it’s been that long since anybody would take one of your cheques?

I was told that yours bounce. Seems it may have been true.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Your inbreeding is showing.

I am Royalty you peasant.
You lot can muck around with the neighbours kids & weird stuff like that.
Us high borns are above such sordid conduct. No rutting in ditches outside of wedlock for us.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:50 am

Okay drillers. All believable because even though almost everything you post is dishonest blowharding, Low IQ commenting , stoush trolling and Yellowstoning. You ridiculous inbred dumb slob.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

almost everything you post is dishonest blowharding

Yet not one thing I’ve ever posted is untrue. That must puzzle a dishonest piece of shit like you.

Make up another story Shantaram, we haven’t heard a fairytale for upward of five minutes now.
You’re slipping you demented old goat. Make something up, .. quickly.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:53 am

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 14, 2022 at 2:49 am

I am Royalty you peasant.
You lot can muck around with the neighbours kids & weird stuff like that.
Us high borns are above such sordid conduct. No rutting in ditches outside of wedlock for us.

Seriously weird comment. It’s a keeper too. Damaged goods.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Seriously weird comment.

Would it be 10% as weird, or only 5% as weird, as wishing “if only” you could shoot a thousand lefties in the head?

You need to be on a watchlist, you’re far sicker than just a neighbours daughter chasing old cheque bouncer.
You’re seriously deranged.

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:57 am

More weirdness. He’s spazzing out. Drunk and spazzing

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 2:59 am

Yet not one thing I’ve ever posted is untrue.

Adonis plagiarising.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Make something up Shantaram. You haven’t bullshitted for a couple of minutes now.
Some elaborate story … quickly… lest we think you’ve lost your touch.

Be sure to make it something you can’t/won’t back up. This is not the time to break your pattern & post something sensible.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Yet not one thing I’ve ever posted is untrue.
Adonis plagiarising.

I am not Adonis, you stupid fuckhead.
Lol, you’ve lost track of your stupid nicknames.

Bwahahahahahhaha… hahahaha.. hahahaha… you demented old goat!

JC
JC
December 14, 2022 3:08 am

Drills

Language please. Think of your breeding. You ridiculous slob.

Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 3:21 am

Almost …

Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 3:21 am

… there.

Jannie
Jannie
December 14, 2022 3:56 am

Dover, I dont know if you read this stuff, but you cannot be happy.

I dont come around to Catallaxy much anymore, because there is not much to read except the Open Thread, which is a sewer, dominated by some very unpleasant people.

Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:10 am
Top Ender
Top Ender
December 14, 2022 4:10 am

Go for it Tom!

Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
December 14, 2022 4:15 am
Jannie
Jannie
December 14, 2022 4:17 am

But Tom is still Terrific, as always.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 14, 2022 4:38 am

But Tom is still Terrific, as always.

Yep. Thanks, Tom.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 14, 2022 4:48 am

bespoke says:
December 13, 2022 at 3:54 pm
Iv watched just about all the vids of cops overreaching (many reposted over and over) the last being of the child being taken away. This is not proof of a systemic problim within eny of the states police force. More data is needed.

When those coppers who are on video are investigated and if found guilty charged with police brutality of the citizens of this country then we will know it was not a systemic problem. Until then…

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 14, 2022 6:10 am

I dont come around to Catallaxy much anymore, because there is not much to read except the Open Thread, which is a sewer, dominated by some very unpleasant people.

Lemme guess.
You’re missing Franger & Sancho, amirite?

win
win
December 14, 2022 6:11 am

Dover Jannie 3.56 am
May be a sewer thread for the antagonists.

Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:19 am
Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:21 am
Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:22 am

I don’t think “respect” has quite the same meaning any more. Like every other word.

Biden Invites Drag Queen Who Performs for Children to Attend ‘Respect for Marriage Act’ Signing

Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:25 am
Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:27 am

Is there a clearer case of racism than condemning people on the basis of skin colour?

“Problem of Whiteness” College Professor Accuses Conservative Student of Terrorism

calli
calli
December 14, 2022 6:27 am

Yesterday, Gilas asked why a six hour delay.

The answer might be in transporting the armoured car to the scene from wherever it was held, as well as ticking other boxes, for instance ascertaining whether the murderers had taken any hostages (Dare’s wife).

Nothing on this morning’s bulletin on the killers, apart from a brief reference to the school principal job.

Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:28 am
Indolent
Indolent
December 14, 2022 6:30 am
Ed Case
Ed Case
December 14, 2022 6:34 am

It seems Nathanael was disturbed by various things at an all Aboriginal Primary School and went into hiding.
Gareth worked in Child Protection, which is mostly removing Aboriginal kids from their families and placing them with strangers.
He also went into hiding.

Yeah, nothin’ to see here.
The story of Nathanael’s Online forays and how Gareth hated Cops turned up quickly.
Too bad whoever wrote that didn’t give Matthew Arnold and Rachel McCrow a heads up, though?

calli
calli
December 14, 2022 6:39 am

Varvel’s toon reminded me of this.

For all the parsers out there.

one old bruce
one old bruce
December 14, 2022 6:57 am

Don’t forget the reports of a serious heart attack Ed.

one old bruce
one old bruce
December 14, 2022 7:03 am

I’m old enough to remember that when a policeman put on his hat he represented the full authority of ‘the law’ and the State. He was no longer a mere human and certainly not an ‘individual’.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 14, 2022 7:04 am

Jannie says:
December 14, 2022 at 3:56 am
Dover, I dont know if you read this stuff, but you cannot be happy.
I dont come around to Catallaxy much anymore, because there is not much to read except the Open Thread, which is a sewer, dominated by some very unpleasant people.

I’m surer that if Dover was a full-time paid employee he would be cutting-and-pasting the JC/Salvatore series of invective to the duelling thread.

bespoke
bespoke
December 14, 2022 7:12 am

BBS

When those coppers who are on video are investigated and if found guilty charged with police brutality of the citizens of this country then we will know it was not a systemic problem. Until then…

I know there is a problem I also there is many within working to change things for the better. Last night was unfortunate. It got personal between two blokes I look to for rationale commentary.

one old bruce
one old bruce
December 14, 2022 7:14 am

Of course it’s a different world now, where national politics spends much its time on concerns which used to be relegated to the ladies’ pages and magazines.

Just as ladies in my day were not allowed in the men’s section of the pub, where the only limits to conversation were how well you could defend yourself with your fists.

Mater
December 14, 2022 7:16 am

Last night was unfortunate. It got personal between two blokes I look to for rationale commentary.

On a positive note (probably the only one), it filled up the space before the page turn.
Saved Tom some bother.

will
will
December 14, 2022 7:17 am
bespoke
bespoke
December 14, 2022 7:20 am

To be clear I was taking about Makka and ML.

Mater
December 14, 2022 7:24 am

To be clear I was taking about Makka and ML.

Oops!
😉

calli
calli
December 14, 2022 7:31 am

What’s a minor fracas between friends? 😀

Cassie of Sydney
December 14, 2022 7:42 am

Brittaneeeee da Knickerless receives a multi-million dollar payout, courtesy of we the taxpayer. You might ask, for what? Basically for a story that didn’t hold up in court, she was caught lying about bruises, dresses and knickers.

A few points….

1. Remember, the precedent for this was the payout to the po faced Rachelle Miller by the Scumbag Morrison government, perhaps the most useless, supine, inept and woeful government in Australian history, and I don’t say that lightly, because at least Labor look after their own, Labor doesn’t trash its own. Andrew Laming has again this week confirmed how Scumbag left him hanging out to dry when the MSM decided to lynch him.

2. Surely this payout assumes Higgins’ fantastic and fabulous story about being raped on a couch in a minister’s office is true? Surely this assumes Lehmann’s guilt? If not, then why the payout? And if not, why doesn’t Lehmann also receive a payout?

3. Of course, none of this will make Brittanneeee da Knickerless happy, but she’ll live a comfortable life. However we haven’t heard the last of Brittaneeeee, she’s now dependent and addicted to attention and notoriety, she’s gotta play “da victim”. I wonder how long before she’s made AOTY? One thing is for sure, it won’t be long before she and that frightful little maggot from Tassie hit the hustings together, the Abbott and Costello of Australian politics and media, both will happily allow themselves to be used as batons by the progressive left to demonise and bludgeon right of centre politicians and commentators, and of course those same right of centre politicians and commentators who will be demonised and beaten as “sexual predators”, as “misogynists” and so on will just supinely and cravenly lie back, say nought and think of England. No wonder the right has lost the culture wars, it didn’t even show up to fight them.

4. Just wondering, where’s Kathy Sheriff’s payout?

Finally, not that I need to say it but it’s always worth repeating, this country is a joke, a big fucking joke.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 14, 2022 7:43 am

H B Bearsays:
December 14, 2022 at 12:46 am
Brittany off to the races. Not that the mushrooms will ever know. Those sounds in the background are the DPP breathing a sigh of relief and the media caravan rolling on. I think.

Lehrman now knows that she has enough money to be worth suing.

bespoke
bespoke
December 14, 2022 7:44 am

Move then.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 14, 2022 7:45 am

Who’s a Poobum? Let me count the ways. JC and Sal grow up. It’s not a bitch slapping contest. Put your handbags away.

Dot
Dot
December 14, 2022 7:47 am

I am sure Malmo Monty’s “CookerPedia” has a large section on black separatists per BLM and “never ceded sovereignty” violent Aboriginal lunatics, right?

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