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Cabins along the Loing Canal, Sunlight Effect, Alfred Sisley, 1896


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Roger
Roger
December 28, 2022 8:52 pm

Albansleazy has faced a barrage of yells and screams from anti oil and gas protesters at the Woodford Folk Festival

He reportedly got qwuite cwoss with them.

But stopped short of saying “Just go home!”.

Give it time.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 28, 2022 8:54 pm

Why? Why? (HT Michael Jackson) Hun:

After more than 15 years of talking, bureaucrats commissioning reports and 18 ministers-the federal governments plan to change our country’s light bulbs is still causing headaches.
The phasing out of power hungry incandescent lights was announced by then environment minister Malcolm Turnbull in 2007 but there are still about 10 million being imported into the country a year, almost 20% of lights.
Now Labor is proposing to flick the switch on the overhaul, kickstarting talks with light manufacturers and retailers in December on plans introduce regulations next year.
But the body that represents manufacturers and retailers argue the proposed changes will increase red tape and reduce energy efficiency.
While the sector support the phasing out of power-hungry halogen lights-estimated to save households more than 1 billion dollars by 2035n there is exasperation over moves introduce new registration fees and administrative requirements for LEDs, which use 90% less electricity.
The lighting reform process began in November 2007 under the former coalition government, with the aim of making Changes by 2018.
Since the reforms were started the Coalition has 10 ministers oversee the two portfolios it would cover while Labor has had 8.
The latest figures, from 2020, reveal Australia imports 10 million inefficient halogen and incandescent lights, 2 for every 11 lights imported into Australia.
To speed up the process, regulatory overhaul is now being pursued with renewed zeal by federal Labor as part of it’s mission to accelerate Australia’s rate of carbon emissions reduction. It is believed there are four bureaucrats who work on lighting, assisted by external consultants.
Aspects of the reforms are likely to be counterproductive and will cost jobs, according to the Lighting Council Australia, which represents manufacturers such as Osram and retailers including Beacon.
Completely fed up with public sector delays and over reach, the council has mocked of the intervention.
“This additional regulation is a solution in search of a problem that doesn’t exist,” Lighting Council Australia spokesman Josip Vidakovic told the Herald Sun. “How many bureaucrats does it take to change a light bulb?”
He said the Department of Climate Change and Energy was “playing catch up” and the proposed LED light regulation will lead to lost energy savings, increased prices and reduced choice.
The Lighting Council believe that additional testing, administration and registration requirements will mean retailers stop updating their products voluntarily every year; instead they will leave them unchanged for as long as 5 years to avoid fees and paperwork. That will reduce availability of more efficient lighting. The added expense also force operators to shed staff to maintain margins, the council says.
“A suitable approach would be to phase out inefficient, old technology light bulbs such as halogen and incandescents where suitable efficient alternatives exist.” Mr Vidakovic said.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2022 8:59 pm

Light bulbs. 15 years. Still not done. Stupid idea in any event.

Bulbs are the perfect comparison for these low-watt, mid-energy bantamweights.

bespoke
bespoke
December 28, 2022 9:03 pm

He reportedly got qwuite cwoss with them.

LOL!

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 9:04 pm

WTF?

This Woman Is Her Own Twin
There is such thing as being one’s own twin, and the way it happens it is far from usual. Taylor Muhl, one of the unique carriers of this rare genetic condition explains what it means to be her own twin, or to carry the condition called Chimerism.

“I have two sets of DNA, two sets of blood and immune cells. The two colors of skin pigmentation on my torso are from my and my twin’s two different genetic makeups.

rosie
rosie
December 28, 2022 9:08 pm
calli
calli
December 28, 2022 9:17 pm

Heh. Chimerism and “My Big Fat Greek Wedding”.

Eeewwww!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 28, 2022 9:18 pm

JC says: December 28, 2022 at 5:22 pm

People here have said…

Irrelevant.

He took the vax despite his many protestations it is dangerous.

This is the opposite to the order of events reported by the only source of fact available on this topic, which is Malone himself. You either did not read the linked articles or you misrepresent them.
By mis-categorising his statements as simply “revealed preference” and dismissing them on that basis, you dismiss the only source of information there is, which is apparently a convenience to your real purpose here.

calli
calli
December 28, 2022 9:20 pm

In some cases, fetal cells may stay in a woman’s body for years. In a 2012 study, researchers analyzed the brains of 59 women ages 32 to 101, after they had died. They found 63 percent of these women had traces of male DNA from fetal cells in their brains.

No wonder the New Broom and I think so alike.

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 9:21 pm

Black Ballsays:
December 28, 2022 at 7:51 pm
Alan Border to Jones:
Jones wanted to retire ill but Border warned him: “At 170 I said ‘if you can’t keep going I’ll get a Queenslander on’,” referring to Greg Ritchie, next in and a native of the state, like his captain.

I thought the full quote from Border contained: “I’ll get a real Australian, a Queenslander on”.

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 9:22 pm

bespokesays:
December 28, 2022 at 7:49 pm
Most of our great-grandparents, when they married, in all likelihood didn’t love each other. Love came later, if at all.

Chuckle! Return to trading women like cattle?

…or men!

The English never really went for arranged marriages, the freest feudal state and earliest to liberate itself.

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 9:23 pm

Let’s talk about non fetal microchimerism.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 28, 2022 9:24 pm

Warned-blurb certainly taints the back of the mouth.

But I’d have a lot more sympathy for Victorians if they didn’t automatically lie down and suck c’ck in the same way whenever one if theirs got up.. while at the same time abusing the other states.

Look how fast our resident clown abused ML as “Graeme Wood” when it suited him.

bespoke
bespoke
December 28, 2022 9:24 pm

I don’t think that’s right. Custody in adoptions is typically given to a single adult not to two people.

Wrong.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 28, 2022 9:26 pm

NSW douche-nozzles aren’t satisfied with reality. Comparing Warner- a man surrounded by friends and medial staff, with modern facilities and rests- with Dean Jones in Madras, is just offensive. Fk you self-important c’nts.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 9:28 pm

This is the opposite to the order of events reported by the only source of fact available on this topic, which is Malone himself.

Oh Okay, it’s the opposite then. The opposite being, he publicly described the vax as dangerous and then had the vax administered. In your mind this actually makes it better?

You either did not read the linked articles or you misrepresent them.

What have I missed? He supposedly invented the new process, he called the vax dangerous and then then took the vax, according to you.

By mis-categorising his statements as simply “revealed preference” and dismissing them on that basis, you dismiss the only source of information there is, which is apparently a convenience to your real purpose here.

Revealed preference means that you look at what people do and treat it as more important in context of what they say.

Continue on as I find your logical high jumps interesting.

Arky
December 28, 2022 9:30 pm

Gay marriage:
The state does what is in the state’s interest.
When the state again requires bulk numbers of young men to throw into war and thus again encourages traditional family formation, it will again emphasise heterosexual marriage. Tribal idiots will again torment confused young men who think they are attracted to the same sex.
In any case, sensible individuals will continue to ignore it all and encourage their own children to find a good person of the opposite sex to have a monogamous, lifelong relationship and children of their own, whatever the fads of the age. Likewise to treat the tiny, tiny minority of people who are genuinely homosexual with humane indifference, for such cases are truly not our business.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 9:40 pm

The argument isn’t that children can literally only occur in marriage so that the fact that can occur outside marriage is beside the point.

No it isn’t because in the present age there are no legal nor social sanctions for having a child outside of traditional marriage. In fact it lowers your argument that marriage’s main purpose is for child bearing. Not now.

As is the claim re ‘killing/ murder’ since that has no bearing on the character of marriage we were discussing.

The claim as you refer to it was to show that bringing up ancient practices , which you introduced, aren’t that great looking back, that is if you want to avoid domestic murder.

I’ve never said anything about ‘impacting me personally’ permitting me to have an opinion on the institution of marriage, or any other institution.

You made the claim that gay marriage has an adverse impact on society. Aren’t you part of society then?

The state was already involved in the institution of marriage in both in Greece and Rome. Whatever occurred in the post-classical period was a continuation of that practice.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

I already addressed no fault divorce as previous changes in earlier comment.

Oh where? Today?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2022 9:42 pm

The collection of headlines collated by BB, earlier:

Miracle Of Melbourne (back page)
Warner Wins Biggest Fight (Russell Gould)
Just keep on batting, was advice from Smiffy (typo, Gould)
A street brawler armed with tons of self belief (Daniel Cherney)
Most underrated Aussie cricketer ever feels the love. (Crash Craddock)

Warner discovers Port Jackson
Warner stands atop the Eureka Stockade
Warner leaps the gunwales at Anzac Cove
Warner brought the troops back from Vietnam

All equally ridiculous. It is in fact the opposite of all those things.

For the first and only time in Test cricket history, including alllll those 43 degree 85% humidity days on the subcontinent, nobody – nobody – has ever had a chair brought out to them during a drinks break.

What a mincing little cavoodle. He is nowhere near the only batsman to score a double ton when it’s hot. As mentioned earlier today, it actually gets easier the longer you go because the fieldsmen become gassed and disheartened.

A chair.

He was cramping because despite being a professional cricketer, and knowing what had to be done in relation to food and hydration, and knowing what the weather was going to do he either didn’t do it or didn’t do it well enough.

A CHAIR.

Just piss off, and make this nation greater by your absence.

Figures
Figures
December 28, 2022 9:49 pm

There was not a vax program for influenza until a decade after the Spanish Flu epidemic.

Blithering idiots who can’t read and just make up arguments from their opponents.

I never said or implied it was caused by vaccines for flu.

Experimental vaccines were all the rage for typhoid, hepatitis and others. Needless to say it was young adults, and particularly soldiers, who made up the majority of guinea pigs and whaddayaknow? It was also young adults, and particularly soldiers, who suffered the most from so-called Spanish flu.

Demographics and symptoms (ie massive immune response in the form of cytokine storm). Hmmm. What are vaccines supposed to do I wonder? Could it be turbocharging our immune system perhaps? I wonder if there’s a link.

Naah. Lizzie and Monty say no.

Monty and Lizzie teaming up to call other people “fools”. Hilarious.

rickw
rickw
December 28, 2022 9:50 pm

Just on SSM, I was tepid about it for a long time. I suppose I adopted a libertarian approach to it, thinking for quite a few years, what harm would it do.

I think we’ve new established the level of harm pretty conclusively. SSM is a step on a trajectory to outright societal depravity.

Zipster
Zipster
December 28, 2022 9:50 pm
Top Ender
Top Ender
December 28, 2022 9:50 pm

Four boys arrested over the alleged home-invasion murder of a mother-of-two were living in a nearby halfway house that accommodates youth offenders and had been causing trouble in the weeks leading up to the tragedy.

All teenage occupants of the modest brick North Lakes home, in Brisbane’s north, were taken into custody on Tuesday over the death of Emma Lovell, 41, who was allegedly stabbed trying to protect her husband Lee, 43, and their two daughters from intruders.

Daily Mail

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 9:53 pm

No, although there very definitely is a slippery slope, the argument I typically make in these cases is a reductio ad absurdum. Your answer above re poly-/ incestuous-/ humanoid-marriage demonstrated that perfectly.

Really, responding to your comment, introducing pollymarriage and incest marriage to the discussion proves there’s a slippery slope? How so? How are two flamers wanting to tie the knot, a bloke bonking three sheilas and a father marrying his daughter related? You can’t distinguish that a couple of blokes infatuated with anal penetration and penises is different to a dude having sex with three different girls on either the same evening or consecutive nights?

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 9:55 pm

Rickw a piece of paper from the registry office saying Mick and Stewart are married doesn’t mean they weren’t penetrating each other before SSM was allowed. They were. 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2022 9:57 pm

Four boys arrested over the alleged home-invasion murder of a mother-of-two were living in a nearby halfway house that accommodates youth offenders and had been causing trouble

‘Complex’ trouble, no doubt.

At some point soon the chief hand-patter will almost, but not quite say that the mother killed in her own home could have been saved by Government giving career scrotes more free stuff.

rickw
rickw
December 28, 2022 10:02 pm

They were. ?

They definitely were, but clearly that piece of paper and acknowledgement green lights the next phase in societal depravity.

Nor should such a lifestyle be given a thumbs up in any way. Mick and Stewart if typical live a life of drugs, alcohol and violence unless they are an exception. There’s plenty of lust, but not much love.

Figures
Figures
December 28, 2022 10:02 pm

What did doctors do back then that killed people? Or are you making shit up again?

I wish you were joking. But you’re actually serious.

You could have just googled “Black Death treatments”.

Being whipped.
Living in sewers.
Eating crushed glass.
Drinking arsenic.
Drinking mercury.
Rubbing feces into open wounds.

Now Dot, which of the above would you say has zero potential to be dangerous?

Remember, I’m the loon so I guess you’ll say “all of them”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2022 10:04 pm

Mick and Stewart if typical live a life of drugs, alcohol and violence unless they are an exception. There’s plenty of lust, but not much love.

The love deficit is compensated for by stunning interior design skills.

Figures
Figures
December 28, 2022 10:08 pm

Or are you making shit up again?

Name me one solitary “fact” you’ve caught me out on Dot. Not something that makes you have bad feelz but an actual error.

Just one.

rickw
rickw
December 28, 2022 10:12 pm

A much more important score than the cricket:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euaUMIsXT8M

Figures
Figures
December 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Rickw a piece of paper from the registry office saying Mick and Stewart are married doesn’t mean they weren’t penetrating each other before SSM was allowed.

If it changed nothing then why did gays want it?

The intent was never raising the status of gay relationships – if it were, their agitation would have stopped once they achieved it – but undermining the traditional marriage.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:13 pm

The love deficit is compensated for by stunning interior design skills.

With lots of artifacts like male nude sculptures.

bespoke
bespoke
December 28, 2022 10:21 pm

so to deny this aspect for fear of hurting the feelings of those married who for whatever reason do not produce children would be absurd.

Really! You are asking the state to protect yours. All I want is the state to stay out of my business not replace one authoritarianism with another.
Best way to promote marriage is trying your best to be an example to the next generation.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I see this site’s most enthusiastic writer of interior decorating, male grooming & male sartorial taste, has chimed in on the topic of male only marriage.

How appropriate.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 28, 2022 10:22 pm

Boy, 12, can’t be held to blame, says judge

A top criminal expert says making children aged up to 13 exempt from prosecution does nothing to address the complex underlying causes of their offending.

EXCLUSIVE
By PAIGE TAYLOR
Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
@paigeataylor
10:05PM December 28, 2022
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A 12-year-old boy’s convictions for a mob attack in Perth have been quashed by a Supreme Court judge who found prosecutors failed to prove the child’s capacity to understand his actions.

The acquittal is considered highly significant to the campaign for a nationwide increase in the age of criminal responsibility to 14, with former Australian of the Year Fiona Stanley saying the case shows offenders as old as 16 may not be able to understand the criminality of the acts they have committed.

But two-year-long attempts by state attorneys-general to raise the criminal age of responsibility are at an impasse, and a top criminal expert says making children aged up to 13 exempt from prosecution does nothing to address the complex underlying causes of their offending.
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The 12-year-old Indigenous boy was convicted in April in the Perth Children’s Court of aggravated robbery and aggravated assault, after he hit a man in the face in a gang attack in the West Australian capital’s CBD.

A police officer’s body-worn camera footage referred to in court shows the boy said to the officer: “Don’t put your hands on me because I will charge you with assault”.

Supreme Court judge Joseph McGrath said he carefully considered the utterance to the police officer, along with all of the boy’s post-offence conduct, and was not convinced his capacity has been established.

“I need to know more about this 12-year-old Aboriginal boy in order to properly understand what he meant by the words that he spoke to the police officer,” Justice McGrath said.

“Without knowledge of his education, personal circumstances, and the environment in which he was raised, I am unable to reach a view as to whether the utterance made to the officer may be understood as simply a boy repeating what he has heard others say, or whether it reflects an understanding that in the criminal justice system, touching another person may be wrong. The evidence that the prosecution relied upon at trial was insufficient.”

Justice McGrath’s judgment came despite the prosecution’s argument that the police footage proved that the boy knew touching another person could be assault. The boy was in a group of 15 youths that approached and ultimately attacked and robbed three males in the centre of Perth.

They challenged the trio to a game of slaps – a fighting game – and when the males declined, some members of the group began touching one victim on his hoodie and pockets. They snatched items from them, including a phone and a gold chain.

The 12-year-old boy was then chased by police and arrested.

The prosecution also told the court that the boy running away was evidence he understood his actions.

Professor Stanley, whose lifelong work as a researcher of youth led the WA Liberal Barnett government to name the state’s biggest hospital after her, said the judge’s findings were in line with international research that says many children in their early teens do not know if their actions are illegal or not.

“As the judge in this case intimated, even if the young person spoke as if he understood, he may well have been told these words by older others,” Professor Stanley said. “The question to answer here is, given this boy’s age, is it likely that he knew what he was doing was illegal? Most national and international research has shown that many children from 10 years to 16 years may not be able to discern the criminality of acts they may have committed.”

Professor Stanley is a member of a justice reform initiative lobbying for changes to the treatment of juvenile offenders.

Criminologist and former police officer Terry Goldsworthy said on Monday there must be consequences even for the youngest juveniles, and that the Perth case showed the justice system already worked to keep all but the most dangerous repeat young offenders out of jail.

“There is a false narrative that 10, 11 and 12-year-olds are put in detention for a single minor crime but the data does not support that,” Professor Goldsworthy said. “In fact, this case shows that prosecutors must do a lot to prove a child’s capacity.”

Professor Stanley pointed to widely-accepted research showing a majority of 12-year-old offenders, particularly Indigenous children, “have significant developmental disorders”.

An assessment of children at WA’s only juvenile detention centre in 2018 found nine out of 10 children had a cognitive impairment.

Almost 40 per cent had fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, a form of permanent brain damage with signs and symptoms including anxiety, aggression and delinquency.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:23 pm

If it changed nothing then why did gays want it?

One reason is that marriage has legal consequences such as passing property from a deceased partner. It presents problems in defacto relationships.

The intent was never raising the status of gay relationships – if it were, their agitation would have stopped once they achieved it – but undermining the traditional marriage.

What are they agitating about now? I wouldn’t include trannies for instance as that’s a whole different ball of wax.

The slippery slope argument is made in this way, First it was gays wanting SSM and now we have trannies wanting all sorts of crap. I don’t see this as a slippery slope. I see it as something like.. one minority group gets what they want, another sees this and they agitate for their own recognition. I’m not defending anything trannies want, but just explaining how I believe things work out. In any event, at least in the US, trannie demands appear to have reached a wall, particularly at the school board level. The thing that’s hardly mentioned about the election is the huge turnover in school boards. That to me looks like a slippery up-slope.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 28, 2022 at 10:22 pm

I see this site’s most enthusiastic writer of interior decorating, male grooming & male sartorial taste, has chimed in on the topic of male only marriage.

How appropriate.

You mean real estate porn? Driller, just because you live in a timber shack with a leaky roof doesn’t mean appreciating a nice home is gay. Do I talk about fashions? Really? Another one of your false claims because you’re an acidic little twerp living in shitville.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Supreme Court judge Joseph McGrath said he carefully considered the utterance to the police officer, along with all of the boy’s post-offence conduct, and was not convinced his capacity has been established.

Supreme Court judge Joseph McGrath may benefit from being a victim of a 15-strong street gang of youths attacking him, this may assist Hizonna to judge whether there is any “capacity” to know they’re doing wrong.

“As the judge in this case intimated, even if the young person spoke as if he understood, he may well have been told these words by older others,” Professor Stanley said. “The question to answer here is, given this boy’s age, is it likely that he knew what he was doing was illegal?

Professor Stanley may benefit from a similar experience, as it may assist her in finding an answer to the question of whether the young person “knew what he was doing was illegal”

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Wow, throw out a broad comment on who’s the biggest gay on this site, and someone actually holds their hand up for the title!

You mean real estate porn? Driller, just because you live in a timber shack with a leaky roof doesn’t mean appreciating a nice home is gay. Do I talk about fashions? Really? Another one of your false claims because you’re an acidic little twerp living in shitville.

Heh.

Figures
Figures
December 28, 2022 10:33 pm

What are they agitating about now? I wouldn’t include trannies for instance as that’s a whole different ball of wax.

“The gays” I referred to aren’t gays. “The gays” are communists.

Gay marriage, trannies, environmentalism, race hustling, public health, refugee advocacy and feminism are all just communism. They (commies) use whatever weapon they think will work because they know there’s always people on the right gullible enough to fall for it. Eg you.

cohenite
December 28, 2022 10:36 pm

I think we’ve new established the level of harm pretty conclusively. SSM is a step on a trajectory to outright societal depravity.

Yep, like I said the issue is not 2 pooftas going gangbusters but the meaning and value of marriage. Marriage means nothing now; women are marrying trees and dogs; man and woman can’t be defined, kids are groomed at school, pathologies such as identifying as a man or a woman when you’re not, men giving birth, cats sleeping with dogs and so on. That’s a slippery slope.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 28, 2022 10:37 pm

JC at December 28, 2022 at 9:28 pm trolled:

What have I missed? He supposedly invented the new process, he called the vax dangerous and then then took the vax, according to you.

What you previously said:

He took the vax despite his many protestations it is dangerous.

Basic English lesson. To do J(v) despite P(v) implies P(v) was claimed first and the contradictory action J(v) was done later.
I disagreed with that because in fact J(v) happened first and the knowledge obtained from it later caused P(v).

Not content with lying about what Malone has said, you are now lying about what I said above.
No more for you, troll boy.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:40 pm

It doesn’t lower it, it just shows that those legal and social sanctions and marriage were, contrary to those clamouring against the former, intimately related to marriage.

Explain. What do you mean?

I didn’t refer to ancient practices, I simply state Marriage just is a that relationship between a man and a woman that brings forth children, which is why there were laws re marriage in Greek and Roman societies.

You brought up the carry over from the Greeks and Romans to the present. If that’s not ancient then what would call it? Mid 20th Century?

I don’t think I’ve made that claim in this exchange.

The claim that it has an adverse impact on society? I can look over the postings but, if you don’t believe this to be the case, then what the hell are you addressing?

It’s countering your claim that the state was previously not involved in marriage and that this was peculiar to Christian countries.

I’m speaking about Europe. Up to a certain time marriage registration and behavior was almost totally influenced by the church elite.

If the argument you use re gay ‘marriage’ would also allow poly marriage or incestuous marriage, for instance, that is a classic reductio. It’s not my inability to distinguish them but your argument, as it stands, that can’t distinguish between them.

Fancy that, you bring up these two practices and I’m the one introducing absurdities.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 28, 2022 10:43 pm

From the Brisbane Times link posted above about child deaths.

So a child dying from Covid is classed as natural causes but an 85 year old dying with Covid and co-morbidities is counted as Covid ! Even if 2 deaths of kids purely Covid it hardly justifies closing all schools and trying to Vax all kids.

“A child dying from COVID-19 is classed as “natural causes” under the reporting framework, which views all disease deaths in that category.

There were just two child deaths from COVID-19 recorded across the five-year reporting period”.

DaFisk
DaFisk
December 28, 2022 10:44 pm

Oh dear! Look at how Merkel’s 2015 migration debacle has played out, leaving a huge burden on the welfare state.

A New Radical Centrism
@newradcentrism
Only about 1/3 of the 800,000 working-age Syrian and Afghani immigrants in Germany have tax-paying jobs, despite the fact that most arrived in the country more than five years ago.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-is-short-of-workers-but-its-migrants-are-struggling-to-find-jobs-11670844930

Open borders always lead to big government and higher spending.

cohenite
December 28, 2022 10:44 pm

Speaking of slippery slopes some titles for the jaded:

Never Love a Man: what twist of fate sends a normal woman down the unnatural path of lesbian passion?!
The Fatal Frails: murder, mayhem and a covey of lovelies: with larceny on their brains!
Mad for Kicks: a gang of thrill seeking beatniks on a shocking binge of murder, rape and perversity!
Sign Here for Sin: each female guest expected special service and it was his job to give it to them!

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 28, 2022 at 10:32 pm

Wow, throw out a broad comment on who’s the biggest gay on this site, and someone actually holds their hand up for the title!

Oh so you were just randomly trolling then, Driller. Of course, the comment wasn’t directed to me. Is there a more indecent , dishonest skunk on this site than you. Stop trolling and go do something worthwhile. Clean the motel’s filthy pool for instance.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:48 pm

Yep, absolutely no crossover between gays and trannies.

There’s some, though it’s not a complete crossover, no.

Dover, there are gays who really want to just screw men. Men who look like men. A large faction of trannies are just perverts. Demented perverts.

bespoke
bespoke
December 28, 2022 10:48 pm

You clearly are worried by hurt feelings that might arise from marriage so understood.

Nope , all this is time filler between things more constructive.

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 10:51 pm

Rubbing feces into open wounds.

NOW, WHY WOULD THAT BE BAD?!

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:52 pm

Not content with lying about what Malone has said, you are now lying about what I said above.
No more for you, troll boy.

Crispin, are you drugging out. I haven’t mentioned anything in detail what Dr. Malone has said.

What I’ve said is this.

1. Malone claims to be the inventor of the new process.
2. Malone is anti-vax
3. Malone was vaxxed.

Explain which of the three points am I lying about, you turkey?

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 10:55 pm

Malone claims to be the inventor of the new process.

He is, more or less.

2. Malone is anti-vax
3. Malone was vaxxed.

Like me.

Jorge
Jorge
December 28, 2022 10:58 pm

Indeed, At least the US prolifers set up clinics to give alternative. The Aus side are content with hash tagging out rage.

Huh? Here in VIC Right to Life have been very active against euthanasia laws and in the state election. A protest march was organised before the election but was not well attended and feminazis organised a counter rally.
Well before the election the RTL group were ejected from their premises by their landlord. Office furniture and equipment removed and left on a nature strip outside. Dunno what it was about, possibly some kind of internal challenge to Margaret Tighe, or failure to satisfy landlord. That meant they went quiet for a year or so. But they’re a dedicated band.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 10:59 pm

It’s not like you Dot. Malone is wealthy enough to have avoided the vax if he chose to. Instead, he claims to have been vaxed so he could travel around and discuss the dangers of the vax. Whereas you’ve claimed to have been vaxxed because of work requirements .. not just you, but a lot of people here. It’s not the same.

bespoke
bespoke
December 28, 2022 10:59 pm

the state did nothing of the sort, it redefined marriage, it didn’t step back from marriage.

Sigh! I didn’t say it did.

Don’t let the state define marriage, simple.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 11:02 pm

I bet it’s closer to US$100 million from royalties.

How did Dr. Robert Malone build his net worth?

Dr. Robert Malone’s net worth has been built up after years of salaried work as a researcher, most famously as one of the creators of mRNA vaccine technology.

Dr. Malone started as a medical intern in the field of pathology. He spent a short time as a scientist at Vical, developing the delivery mechanism for naked RNA, DNA, and vaccine technology. He joined UC Davis Research Center to study gene transfer and genetic DNA vaccination. He also helped set up the laboratory that would be critical in performing this research. At the end of 1993, he was an assistant professor of pathology at the University of California. He then taught and studied at various other prestigious universities and programs.

From 2007 until 2009, he worked mainly in the field of vaccine development and vaccine therapies. He taught from 2009 to 2013, and in 2016 he became the CEO of a pharmaceutical company where he served for a year. From 2001 onwards, he also served as a consultant with a specialty in clinical research. His highly specialized field has allowed him to amass a net worth of around $25 million. His biggest claim to fame is his participation in the creation of mRNA vaccines. His work helped fight the Zika virus and develop the Ebola vaccine.

Jorge
Jorge
December 28, 2022 11:06 pm

Jones wanted to retire ill but Border warned him: “At 170 I said ‘if you can’t keep going I’ll get a Queenslander on’,”

Bradman would understand such captaincy. He would have gone for a Protestant.

custard
custard
December 28, 2022 11:08 pm

Where the whole ChinaVirus hoax ends will be fascinating. Malone, McCulloch, Fauci it’s almost endless

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 11:09 pm

George Gammon makes a good case for the US property market crapping out.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 28, 2022 11:11 pm

this may assist Hizonna to judge whether there is any “capacity” to know they’re doing wrong.

Some years ago, here in the Wild West, there was an outbreak of car stealing by the local Indigenous.
When the offenders were arrested, and tried, the magistrate listened to the pleas of “inter-generational trauma” and the effects of colonization” from the defence solicitor, and imposed the bare minimum as a sentence.

Then his wife’s new car was stolen, and was found stripped and burned out in the bush….Obviously he couln’t hear that case, but, after that, indigenous car thieves felt the full fury of the law……

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 11:12 pm

George Gammon makes a good case for the US property market crapping out.

It already has. Someone reported a msjor development site in NYC that recently sold for 42% below the orginal purchase price in 2012. And 2012 wasn’t a great year.

I think it was the Leb.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 28, 2022 11:24 pm

Half price in the big apple?
Money laundering gone wrong or real estate bubble bursting?

Zipster
Zipster
December 28, 2022 11:28 pm

Supreme Court judge Joseph McGrath

activist scum

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 11:28 pm

Mole
A combo of things.
1. Things don’t look great for NYC by and large.
2. Interest rates
3. Interest rates
4. Interest rates

The thing that lots of people don’t realize is how quickly shit unravels when the central bank tightens policy.

m0nty
m0nty
December 28, 2022 11:32 pm

There was not a vax program for influenza until a decade after the Spanish Flu epidemic.
..
Yeah, nah:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/

If you read the full article, Arky, you would find that the vaccines developed and offered during the Spanish Flu epidemic were not, in fact, vaccines against influenza. The researchers tried valiantly but went down the wrong tracks.

Now, as for Figures, he or she is a genuine nutball. Don’t listen to them Arky, that is froot loop stuff. Go down that rabbit hole and pretty soon you are believing in lizard people.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Of course, the comment wasn’t directed to me.

You chose to claim it.
The hat fits, wear it.
Heh.

JC
JC
December 28, 2022 11:38 pm

I chose to claim it? Who was the troll attempt directed to then if not me, you acidic turdball?
You’re such a sad blowhard. I actually am beginning to feel sorry for you. You’re pitiful. Go away.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Lol, this is funnier than Philip Adams denying he’s a racist:

I chose to claim it? Who was the troll attempt directed to then if not me, you acidic turdball?
You’re such a sad blowhard. I actually am beginning to feel sorry for you. You’re pitiful. Go away.

Dot
Dot
December 28, 2022 11:45 pm

Hmmm

Genuine reverse racism.

https://thepostmillennial.com/nhs-demands-written-explanation-if-white-candidate-hired-over-ethnic-minority

Just let AI do the hiring. It already screens the resumes. It is known to be unbiased – which the racist woke grub may not like.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2022 11:54 pm

Ooops. Wouldn’t want to mislead. This is the last screened series of Fauda, not the new one we are watching. Catching up on it with all the bits I missed at the time. The action is so fast paced.
The new series is coming soon. Looking forward to it. Exceptional TV if you’ve ever been to Israel and/or have an interest in Middle Eastern politics.

Arky
December 28, 2022 11:54 pm

If you read the full article, Arky, you would find that the vaccines developed and offered during the Spanish Flu epidemic were not, in fact, vaccines against influenza.

..
I did read it all, I have been quoting selections all night.
That the inoculate they used were garbage just means the analogy to today is complete.

MatrixTransform
December 28, 2022 11:56 pm

calm night
can’t hear thing
nothing but barking dogs

JC
JC
December 29, 2022 12:01 am

I mean that those other legal and social sanctions relating to sex outside of marriage, and the like, were related to marriage, and not independent of it.

Okay, but what’s your point? It doesn’t matter of they were related or independent.

No, I simply countered your claim re state involvement in marriage being peculiar to Christian societies and simply noted that marriage was also a public institution in Greek and Roman societies because it was understood as a relationship between the sexes ordered to the children and families.

I mentioned Christian societies (also meaning European) because that’s what I know about. I have no knowledge about marriage in a historical context in say Indian or Chinese societies.

You seem to believe that the only counter to redefining marriage is whether or not it can have an ‘adverse effect’ of some kind. I don’t. This isn’t to say that I do think that is the case, but at the moment it’s enough for me to say that there is nothing about marriage as it has been understood that would entertain the inclusion of same-sex relationships.

Absolutely that’s what I believe. If there’s no adverse impact then what’s the point of going to town against SSM. SSM incidentally was voted on in a plebiscite by a majority of Australians. I voted against it, but now I believe it’s of no material consequence to the community at large.

Sure, but this wasn’t the Church performing a private function, it was the Church performing a public function.

It was a public function in a private setting. The distinction between the Church and state is of some importance.

If your argument re gay ‘marriage’ cannot exclude them that isn’t my problem. There is no difference in what you are arguing now, and, say, how a no-fault divorce proponent in the 60s would have respond to their critic claiming back then that their abandonment of the condition of permeance threatened all the other conditions of marriage, that it is a union of the opposite sex, and a exclusive union. As much as they’d like to claim that this doesn’t follow, nothing in their argument excludes it.

My argument does exclude incest and poly. And it should. The point I was making – to repeat- is that these two practices occur now and no one gives a cracker about it.

Arky
December 29, 2022 12:04 am

Now, as for Figures, he or she is a genuine nutball. Don’t listen to them Arky, that is froot loop stuff.

..
That wasn’t the question I was addressing.
What I addressed was your claim that there were no vaccination programs during the 1918 flu.
There were widespread inoculations and just like today, they were rushed, ineffective and motivated by exploiting fear of the outbreak to make returns. They threw everything at it: existing inoculations for other diseases, hastily thrown together concoctions and various inactivated bacteria.

Arky
December 29, 2022 12:16 am

The lessons from 1918 should have included man’s tendency to use a crisis to profiteer and defraud his fellow man.
But as per usual the sunshine kiddies assumed that we had somehow progressed beyond that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 29, 2022 12:26 am

They threw everything at it

Yes. People were desperate in 1920 and even in the late C19th flu that hit Russia and Europe. In 1920 corpses of all ages, but especially of the healthy young, were carried out of most houses in most streets of Philadelphia and some of the other worst hit American cities during the worst of it and this sort of fierce viral attack was seen worldwide from what was a highly contagious pathogen. We have seen nothing like this since anywhere in the world and I sincerely hope we never do.

Perhaps it was a dreadful combination of circumstances during and post WW1 including massive numbers of troop movements internationally, as well as lowered resistance due to wartime food restrictions, but this ‘flu hit like no other. I had the 1957 ‘flu and the 1968 ‘flu with the latter one laying me low for four days unable to lift my head; both were nasty, but neither of these vaxx and anti-biotic era influenzas, albeit substantial killers, was a match of any sort for the 1920 disaster.

MatrixTransform
December 29, 2022 1:36 am

got left over ham?

what you need is some blanched broad beans and asparagus,
then some creme fraiche, tarragon and cheese

cube the ham and brown it off in a little oil
chop the asparagus into chunks
get the broad beans outta their ‘orrible scrotums

deglaze the pan with some white wine
then chuck in the other stuff with some shaved parmesan or pecorino

serve on casareccia pasta

if you cant work out the proportions
then yr hopeless and deserve to starve

MatrixTransform
December 29, 2022 1:57 am

tarragon is the prince of all herbs
and he has lemons for balls

Oh come on
Oh come on
December 29, 2022 2:29 am

JC is in an expansive pugilistic mood tonight! Fight on.

Stevie, ‘heh’ has been Glenn Reynolds’s almost trademark pithy sign-off for going on 20 years now. The blogosphere has risen and fallen over that time. A bunch of people here probably don’t even know who Glenn Reynolds is. (I know you do.)

Isn’t it kind of lame to be conspicuously ripping off his ‘heh’ riposte, given a bunch of people (including yourself) know about all of the above?

Figures
Figures
December 29, 2022 3:57 am

Now, as for Figures, he or she is a genuine nutball. Don’t listen to them Arky, that is froot loop stuff. Go down that rabbit hole and pretty soon you are believing in lizard people.

You need to apologize for lying before. I never claimed the Spanish flu was a contagious disease instigated by flu vaccines. I said mass experimental vaccines caused deaths which were blamed on a contagion disease known as Spanish flu. That is the only theory that fits the facts (ie demographics and symptoms).

So tell me you’re sorry and stop lying.

And then go and get your 50th booster.

Weird though. This “nutball” correctly predicted that this covid vaccine would be an obvious failure because the vaxed were still getting tested (unlike other so-called vaccine preventable diseases) and therefore we would be asked to take continuous boosters.

I’m one of a few hundred people on the planet to understand and predict what actually happened with these vaccines because I knew that the “success” of every other vaccine is purely diagnostic bias.

But like I said. I hope you believe none of it Monty. You need to get as many boosters as possible. And see if you can find some smallpox vaccines too. They’ll ummm, prevent monkeypox.

Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
December 29, 2022 4:11 am
bespoke
bespoke
December 29, 2022 4:28 am

Cheers Tom

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 29, 2022 4:33 am

Thanks, Tom.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:40 am

Saturday morning the weather was too bad to go out. I was bored with nothing to do. Then came a knock on the door. I opened it to find a young, well-dressed man standing there who said “Hello sir, I’m a Jehovah’s Witness”. So I said “Come in and sit down”. I offered him a fresh cup of coffee and asked “What do you want to talk about?” He said “Beats the crap out of me. Never got this far before…”

A long interview just appeared featuring Dracula’s lifestyle in the Daily Mail. And yet, he didn’t appear in The Mirror OR The Sun.

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:42 am

Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened.

– Dr. Seuss

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:44 am

Thanks Tom and I gave you the upticks……………………

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:48 am

Understanding the Neocons

From Armstrong Economics –

QUESTION: I saw you on TV here in Russia. I think you are more respected in Russia than in the United States. You are the only person ever to say that war is created by politicians and not the people. Do you see any hope of avoiding war?

ANSWER: Unfortunately, no! The only real question is how bad does it get?

As I said at our World Economic Conference, nobody has tried to defeat this model more than me. I have come to see that you really cannot change the long-term because nobody will act for the future. They only react to immediate news and propaganda. Congressman Adam Kinzinger said that NATO could take out Russia in only three days. Kinzinger is the new John McCain. He always advocates war and is clueless. His statement that NATO could take out Russia in 3 days is the most absurd statement I have ever heard.

Kinzinger acts as if NATO could completely destroy Russia in 3 days and they never get a shot off? It is beyond me why these people always preach war and have ZERO regards for the consequences. These people should be barred from ever holding office even for a dog catcher. They live in a delusional world. They also hate China. So they are supposed to wait until NATO destroys Russia in 3 days and then we turn to destroy China in 5 days? Then we also ask North Korea and Iran to please wait their turn for destruction.

The US, Europe, Russia, China, and even Iran all have their Neocons. We should gather them all up, throw them in Madison Square Garden, sell tickets and bet on who is the last one standing. Anyone else who wants to be a Neocon should just be put in the line for the next match.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/understanding-the-neocons/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:50 am

rosiesays:
December 29, 2022 at 4:46 am
Pope Francis has said former Pope Benedict XVI is very ill and he has asked pilgrims at the Vatican to pray for him….The Vatican then said the ex-Pope’s health had worsened in recent hours

If he truly believes in Heaven, then he should be OK.

bespoke
bespoke
December 29, 2022 4:53 am
Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 4:57 am

Party Politics

From Armstrong Economics –

COMMENT: Thoughts regarding your “Trump and 2024” comments. I’ve been following your blog for well over 10 years and signed up on your basic Socrates program months ago. I’m 67 and voted Democrat most of my life until 2016. I voted for Trump. No way I was voting for Hillary Clinton and considering the political DNC and Deep State gamesmanship following Trump’s victory I’ll likely never vote blue again. It was and is disgusting.
I’m also a Floridian and voted for DeSantis. I think he’s a great governor for Florida. But there is absolutely no way I’ll vote for him for POTUS. If DeSantis is the GOP candidate I’ll stay home on voting day. In my mind, deep down, he’s just another RINO and will just return us to the status quo. He also has a few ghosts in his closet. I’m personally peeved that he held one of his first cabinet meetings in Israel. And his time at GITMO, if true, is likely to come back to haunt him.

To me Trump is the only one that would, shall we say, have the motivation to get done what really needs to get done inside the beltway and beyond. One would only hope he learned the necessary lessons and could surround himself with the right support staff. Of course, that’s the mystical, magical question. He obviously listened to McConnell too much last go around.
I would never profess to have more insight than you and certainly not Socrates. I am simply expressing a personal belief that Trump is our best hope to navigate what’s coming our way. I’m not ready to give up on him yet…and if I do I’ll just throw in the towel and hope for the best.
From a Loyal Follower of your Blog!

REPLY: I think a lot of people just have a false impression of politics these days. They take what politicians say seriously. I also think that was Trump’s problem. He did try to actually keep his promises, which politicians routinely do not do. Biden said he would make abortion a constitutional right. He knew that was total BS. To create a Constitutional Amendment you first have to get it through Congress and then every state legislator must agree. It would take years even if you tried. which was total nonsense. But if it gets votes, no problem.

Trump thought being President actually meant you got to run the country like a corporation. They stuffed his cabinet and the Deep State always runs the game. He had to find that out the hard way.

As I said before, I could run for office promise whatever you want to hear. Then when you get there, the Party boss has a gathering and you are told how to vote and when. Just look at the votes in Congress. They are Party Line. Personally, I would prefer DeSantis to stay here in Florida. I think he has done a great job. However, Washington is nothing but a conflict of interest on steroids. Just look at how they poured money into Ukraine, Zelensky then fed it to FTX and FTX became the 2d largest donor to the Democrats. It was money laundering that will never be allowed to get to trial.

People do not understand that running the nation is far different than an individual state. Look at California and New Jersey v Florida and Texas. They do not even blend together to form a united country. In New Jersey, stores are not allowed to give you a bag. The governor is constructing windmills in the ocean and it’s only a matter of time before he outlaws gas cars and gas stations. The United States is rapidly becoming ungovernable as a united nation. The political difference is so great, it no longer makes sense to have a single nation. The Roman Empire split into three, a civil war was fought to bring it back together.

Then Diocletian divided the Empire in two and this created the Tetrarchy. That lasted just 23 years before Constantine I (307-337AD) reestablished one emperor. But then the West fell and the East survived as the Byzantine Empire after about 180 years. The official Byzantine Empire began in 498AD with the Monetary Reform of Anastasius I (491-518AD). The Byzantine Empire lasted until 1453. The likelihood of the separation of the United States begins to increase post-2024. The United States as we have known it may no longer exist post-2036.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/party-politics/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

bespoke
bespoke
December 29, 2022 4:59 am

Rotten
Make a list so you don’t post the same thing so often.

Gabor
Gabor
December 29, 2022 5:05 am

Johnny Rotten says:
December 29, 2022 at 4:48 am

Congressman Adam Kinzinger said that NATO could take out Russia in only three days.

I’d like to hear him tell how that would happen without retaliation?
They have some real crazies in the US parliament.

No proof, and no Q involved but the rumour is, that there are RU subs with nukes on board staying silently close around the US.
If they let loose, there is no time for defensive action by anti anything.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 5:06 am

bespokesays:
December 29, 2022 at 4:59 am
Rotten
Make a list so you don’t post the same thing so often.

Posted by the person who thought that he/she/it/whatever was first on this OT.

bespoke
bespoke
December 29, 2022 5:11 am

It was my first comment, rotten.
Chuckle!

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 5:12 am

Treason from The Deep State?

From Armstrong Economics –

“I have received a lot of emails asking why just five days after the New York Post revealed the Hunter Biden laptop story that went all the way to the top involving his father, now President Biden, the former CIA Director John Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper announced on October 19th, 2020, a letter stating that this was a product of Russian disinformation and “hacking.” There have been people looking into this pair of Neocons who will say anything to reach their end goal – World War III to wipe Russia off the face of the earth and attempting to investigate what amounts to TREASON. They are insisting on war and were against Trump for he did not want to wage war against Russia. That contributed to the whole RussiaGate nonsense.

It has been clearly established now that both Brennan and Clapper knew the Steel Dossier was fake and created by Hillary. They remained silent propelling the country into wasting millions and creating an image where 70% of Democrats believed that Putin interfered in the 2016 election. Without Putin, Hillary would have won and since Trump was against funding the NeoNazis of Ukraine that John McCain promised in December 2016 even before Trump was sworn in, that was it. He had to be removed to keep the hatred going of the Neocons.

Both of these guys did everything they could to ensure Trump would be removed from office. Why? Because Trump was anti-war the same as John F. Kennedy. The one thing that I was shocked and impressed with about Donald Trump was when I went to dinner at Mara largo in March 2020. He said then that he wanted to pull the troops out of Afghanistan. It was the first time I ever heard ANY head of state express any remorse for those who die in these endless wars.

Trump said he was sick of having to write letters to the parents explaining that their son died for his country with honor. He said that they were fighting there over borders and religion for 1,000s of years – “What difference are we going to make?” That will make those who just hate Trump angry. They listen to all the one-sided propaganda and are incapable of free thought.

Trump discovered that the people in his cabinet were all plants from the establishment. John Bolton never saw a war he did not support. He cared nothing about the boys who die for his Neocon extremes, or of the children whose lives will be forever changed because their father dies for Bolton’s Neocon dreams.

Robert McNamara (1916 – 2009) was a leading Neocon during the 1960s who pushed the country into the Vietnam war. He was famous for saying:

I met Robert McNamara back in the ’90s. I must say, he was less of a Neocon thirty years later. Before he died in 2009, he wrote a book, which I recommend should be MANDATORY reading for all Neocons.

In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam
What you think is real is far more dangerous than anything else when you have a settled closed mind. That is the mark of stupidity – not intelligence.

The very thing that destroyed Communism is what they are trying to do with us – end all conversation and accept only what they tell us. It is curiosity that keeps human society advancing. If we are not curious and question our surroundings, we crumble and die. A healthy debate of the issues is vital to our future survival as a society. Shut that down as they are doing right now with government censorship of social media, the end will not be that far behind.

The Deep State is controlled by the Neocons. They cannot sleep at night without an enemy. They NEVER advocate peace – they always want war. Most people believe that JFK was taken out by the CIA because he was against Vietnam. As soon as he was gone, Johnson took us into Vietnam even when the tapes confirm he knew the Vietnamese never attacked us. So much for details. They always need to pretend that they are not the aggressor – it is always the other guy.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/treason-from-the-deep-state/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 5:17 am

bespokesays:
December 29, 2022 at 5:11 am
It was my first comment, rotten.
Chuckle!

Nice try. Chuckle a lot more……………………

bespoke
bespoke
December 29, 2022 5:22 am

I will, cheers.

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 6:43 am

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: Are Universities Doomed?

I hope so.

hope so too- I’d like to see a move to online and on the job.

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 7:02 am

Universities I thought were established to preserve and foster western civ- now they actively do the opposite. They’re actually evil.

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 29, 2022 7:17 am

OCO, Glenn Reynolds hardly has a monopoly on “heh”. The late Jerry Pournelle used to use it on his blog which may have been set up before Instapundit. Also in common use elsewhere.

m0nty
m0nty
December 29, 2022 7:18 am

I did read it all, I have been quoting selections all night.
That the inoculate they used were garbage just means the analogy to today is complete.

We have had a hundred years of development in biology since then. There is no analogy to a situation where they didn’t even know about the influenza virus.

m0nty
m0nty
December 29, 2022 7:23 am

I never claimed the Spanish flu was a contagious disease instigated by flu vaccines.

You are right Figures, I made the mistake of giving you too much credit for having a remotely logical position. In fact, you have concocted a phantasmagorical story of how vaccines for other diseases actually caused an unrelated disease, a contention for which there is zero evidence and does not make any sense at all. My error was in underestimating the scope of your delusion.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 7:23 am

got left over ham?

Not a chance. Nom nom nom.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 7:26 am

monty

Ask him why rubbing faeces into a wound is a bad idea.

I want to know why if microbes (which anyone can see with a microscope and stains) either don’t exist or don’t have the potential to cause disease.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2022 7:34 am

Ask him why rubbing faeces into a wound is a bad idea.

Isn’t this dependent on whose faeces it is?

johanna
johanna
December 29, 2022 7:34 am

miltonf says:
December 29, 2022 at 7:02 am

Universities I thought were established to preserve and foster western civ- now they actively do the opposite. They’re actually evil.

No. Universities were initially established to provide an educated workforce as trade, business and government, and the upper middle class, grew in the Middle Ages and beyond. Although the subjects were usually not directly vocationally oriented (that came later) the idea was that trained minds and good literacy were sound prerequisites for upper middle class jobs. And of course, the networking advantages became apparent quite soon.

The evolution of universities is a long and complicated story, and the British ones were quite different from the European ones structurally. But they were not conceived as some sort of idealistic venture from the outset. For the most part, that notion came along much later, and by then there were parallel trends of strictly vocational streams which rather contradicted it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2022 7:35 am

P.S. Germs aren’t real.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 29, 2022 7:39 am

P.S. Germs aren’t real.

That figures.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 29, 2022 7:41 am

From the Oz below. Looks like China in the export business again. Will Also ban incoming flights or are too many Chinese Labor voters?

“Italian officials on high alert as half of all passengers arriving in Milan on plane from Beijing test positive for Covid-19”

calli
calli
December 29, 2022 7:49 am

The first Uni, the one in Bologna, was set up to study Canon and Civil Law.

Which surprises me as I always thought it was studies in Divinity rather than the Dark Arts.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 29, 2022 7:51 am

I wonder if the ABC will take this idea up?

Germany’s ZDF Public Television Suggests Bathing Once A Week Would Be Beneficial (28 Dec)

Supposedly, there are in fact numerous benefits from showering much less frequently, according to ZDF’s kugelzwei. For example, people would maybe learn to become “a little more tolerant of body odor”, and the unwashed would save time in the bathroom every morning. … Another idea proposed by the WDR’s kugelzwei is public bathing: “Maybe showering or bathing could become a weekly highlight,” they suggest. “We would celebrate this in public bathhouses – perhaps also in the company of others.”

BO and Mpox, a perfect match made in Germany.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 29, 2022 7:51 am

Munty trying to have a rational conversation with figures. Ha!

JC
JC
December 29, 2022 7:53 am

Eyrie says:
December 29, 2022 at 7:17 am
OCO, Glenn Reynolds hardly has a monopoly on “heh”. The late Jerry Pournelle used to use it on his blog which may have been set up before Instapundit. Also in common use elsewhere.

God, please make it stop.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 7:53 am

miltf

That sort of talk gets me excited.

School is at least two years longer than needed (do we really need kindergarten or year 9?) and on top of that year 11 and 12 are arguably a waste as they duplicate first year university. Then you have to think that there is a lot of wasted time ancillary to an actual education.

A business degree could be taught in half a year doing 4o hour weeks. Most professional accreditation boards have to much power obtained through legislation (and they use stupid methods like tests that don’t teach but also heavily rely on MCQ).

A science or engineering degree might be more full on but the amount of uni holidays means s degree could take 2 year, not 3-4.

It is entirely possible to have people working before 16 and qualified in a trade or profession before 18.

Nearly all job training should be apprenticeships or cadetships with supported study.

There is no reason why someone can’t come out as a fully qualified barrister and solicitor able to start their own firm under the PQE and experience rules before they turn 21, with years of industry experience.

Education is a racket.

School should really be two spurts of three years. The rest of your time spent at home or learning a job.

There’s no reason why it can’t be done by homeschooling or informally through a community based school system or “learning web”.

But muh childcare and job of selling packets of nails at Bunnings!

Universities wouldn’t need to exist in their current form. You could work and save for two years at home. You would have a profession for the most part before 18.

That would help young people immensely, not hundreds of billions of subsidies they pay for in direct and indirect taxation. You could have tens or even a hundred grand saved before you leave home as an adult with a trade or profession, or at least experience to manage a less credentialed service; to help with a home deposit, ute, cost of relocation, tools, cost of setting up a business office, etc.

A pup in Canberra is better joining a forestry crew to their west and doing on the job training for trade skills and certifications, than doing TAFE and uni by correspondence and residential schools.

By 21 they could have five years of experience, a trade & several competencies (like mobile plant & heavy vehicles) and a degree in applied science.

That can almost be done right now.

Nope, they’re better off spending 3-8 years in degrees with no job in sight and no direction at a Marxist hell hole getting pissed and burning through the money of taxpayers, themselves and Mum and Dad?

It might make more Green voting idiots but it is extremely cruel and misanthropic.

calli
calli
December 29, 2022 7:56 am

“Italian officials on high alert as half of all passengers arriving in Milan on plane from Beijing test positive for Covid-19”

So we now have a rush to the exits by a cohort that has been percolating away in isolation for over two years.

Meanwhile, those of us in the West have been “inoculated” against something that is likely quite different to that coming out of China right now.

Have any of the Big Brains thought this through, or are they simply going to lock everyone down as it inevitably gets out of hand again? It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2022 7:57 am

A sad tale (the Hun):

The camera operator who was controlling ‘spider cam’ when it crashed into South African pace bowler Anrich Nortje has been stood down.

Nortje was walking square of the wicket between overs on Tuesday when he was floored by the camera after it struck him from behind at speed.

Lost his wings. These blokes push the envelope, day after day. There’s no money, no fame.

This chap’s ego was writing cheques his body couldn’t cash. He held on too long. He lost the edge.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 7:59 am

Now he’s flying drones of plastic dogshit outta Hong Kong.

(Cigar combustion intensifies).

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 8:01 am

Do as I say with education and do away with the strictness regarding booster seats and family formation would boom. 4+ kids for each family is a possibility.

Frank
Frank
December 29, 2022 8:07 am

Tasmania ha been issued with a severe heatwave warning by the BOM since the temps are due to be in the mid twenties.

Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology

One notes the lack of numbers on the maps that allow for calibration between the various levels of severity.

Someone is having a lend at this point.

johanna
johanna
December 29, 2022 8:15 am

calli says:
December 29, 2022 at 7:49 am

The first Uni, the one in Bologna, was set up to study Canon and Civil Law.

Which surprises me as I always thought it was studies in Divinity rather than the Dark Arts.

Yes, and of course that would mean being fluent in Latin as well. Graduates would then be able to perform a range of government jobs, plus being able to practise law privately or be employed in the Church and by large corporations.

I guess if you wanted to study divinity the Church had its own facilities for that.

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 8:15 am

Can’t disagree with any of that Dot. When I was a senior secondary student it was very much preparation for 1st year uni- high school chem taught you about enthalpy but entropy and Gibbs free energy had to wait till first year. So silly.

Learning a trade was much more beneficial to my career than uni- no doubt at all.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 8:17 am

Little Johnny and his dad were on an overcrowded elevator. Suddenly a lady in the front turned around, slapped Little Johnny’s dad, and then left in a huff. “That sure is a nasty lady” Little Johnny’s dad said. Little Johnny remarked “I didn’t like her either, Daddy. She stepped on my toe… so I pinched her on the arse”…………………………….

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 8:18 am

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

– Napoleon Bonaparte

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 8:19 am

Speaking of edjucashun rackets, there are these external providers who run box ticking courses to make your workplace compliant with various guvment diktats. The cynicism is mind blowing.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 8:24 am

Speaking of edjucashun rackets, there are these external providers who run box ticking courses to make your workplace compliant with various guvment diktats. The cynicism is mind blowing.

It is a racket but absolutely necessary for some.

What an unskilled worker can earn with or without say a HR truck & forklift competencies has a fairly significant income difference.

custard
custard
December 29, 2022 8:27 am

Bolsonaro to spend NYE at Mar a Lago

Comfy.

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 29, 2022 8:29 am

A science or engineering degree might be more full on but the amount of uni holidays means s degree could take 2 year, not 3-4.
It is entirely possible to have people working before 16 and qualified in a trade or profession before 18.

I thought the whole point of the education system was to keep people out of the workforce as long as possible so they don’t add to the unemployment numbers.

Christine
Christine
December 29, 2022 8:32 am

On education
Dot 7.53am
I went back and read all that again; it’s more than good

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 29, 2022 8:34 am

Tasmania ha been issued with a severe heatwave warning by the BOM since the temps are due to be in the mid twenties.
Windy isn’t showing more than mid twenties for next few days. They sure are having a lend. It’s Summer, people.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 8:35 am

The acquittal is considered highly significant to the campaign for a nationwide increase in the age of criminal responsibility to 14, with former Australian of the Year Fiona Stanley saying the case shows offenders as old as 16 may not be able to understand the criminality of the acts they have committed.

But let’s give 16 year-olds the vote, so that they can bring their maturity and deep understanding of how society functions to the ballot box. You know it makes sense!

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 29, 2022 8:43 am

Isn’t this dependent on whose faeces it is?

Just faeces in the crowd.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 29, 2022 8:43 am

Faeces recognition at airports.

custard
custard
December 29, 2022 8:44 am

The head of bioethics at the NIH is Christine Grady, Fauci’s wife!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Grady

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 29, 2022 8:50 am

I thought the whole point of the education system was to keep people out of the workforce as long as possible so they don’t add to the unemployment numbers.

That, and to act as adult day care for all the various education providers. You will have noticed that all government programs are advertised in terms of ‘inputs’ nowadays (shipyard jobs, nurses employed, police hired, ‘green’ ‘jobs’ ‘created’ etc), never in terms of outputs (students taught, patients treated, bridges built).

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 8:53 am

This got my bullshit detector twitching.
Now these things *could* exist, but a search doesnt find anything older than african drums reskinned in possum for sale.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-29/indigenous-possum-skin-cloak-culture-and-history/101739174
They were also used for baby carriers, drums in ceremony, birthing and for burial.


But the regal-looking gown is so much more than an art trend or fashion item.
..
I have serious doubts anyone looking will be able to lay their hands on the ” law” that made possum skin cloaks illegal..
Gunai woman and author Kirli Saunders said research showed how possum-skin cloaks became part of the economy around the time of colonisation.

“They were so warm and wanted that the English would purchase them, putting money or resources back into the Aboriginal community,” she said.

Ms Saunders explained that once the Aboriginal community started to benefit from the cloak trade, the authorities criminalised the creation of cloaks.

“The cultural practice was disrupted because of profit and economy and the possibility of equality,” she said.
It is believed that the government replaced the cloaks with woollen blankets, a substandard substitute for a wet winter on the east coast, resulting in many Aboriginal people dying of common European cold and flus.

“[It was] part of the eradication of a culture, the genocide,” Ms Parsley said.

This is anti white agitprop, it bears little resemblance to reality and contains multiple errors of fact and some massive helpings of bullshit.
For their ABCcess, another normal day of the week then.

Indolent
Indolent
December 29, 2022 8:53 am
Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 8:54 am

DaFisksays:
December 28, 2022 at 10:44 pm
Oh dear! Look at how Merkel’s 2015 migration debacle has played out, leaving a huge burden on the welfare state.

A New Radical Centrism
@newradcentrism
Only about 1/3 of the 800,000 working-age Syrian and Afghani immigrants in Germany have tax-paying jobs, despite the fact that most arrived in the country more than five years ago.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-is-short-of-workers-but-its-migrants-are-struggling-to-find-jobs-11670844930

Open borders always lead to big government and higher spending.

Minor typo in the WSJ lede, it should read “migrants-are-struggling to-avoid-finding-jobs”.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 8:55 am

You will have noticed that all government programs are advertised in terms of ‘inputs’ nowadays

And ejaculating money up walls is referred to as “investment”.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 29, 2022 8:56 am

The USN guys that run the nuclear plants on the ships and boats get their degrees in 18 months.

sfw
sfw
December 29, 2022 8:56 am

Apprenticeships, very few kids start an apprenticeship before they’re 18 now, many start in their 20’s, don’t even mention the mature age apprenticeships. I started out of Y10 (Form 4?) at 16 and was qualifies and working in PNG when I was 21. School was tough and I passed but not great results but good enough to get a start with the PMG, later Telecom. The later you begin the longer it takes to get the good money.

Uni, never attended but have plenty of friends who have degrees, three or four years to do what could be done full time in 12 months. I don’t get it. A trainee copper has six months at 38 hours a week, all mainly in the classroom and pracs, plus months of follow up classroom courses. They do more work than the average Uni student does in three years. Make Uni a full time study, 38 hours a week in the classroom and the study you do in your own time. They would be finished with most degrees in 12 months and out earning.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 29, 2022 8:57 am

I think it was KD who pointed out that Tuesday was the first time ever that a fainting couch was brought onto a Test Cricket ground.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 8:57 am
Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 8:59 am

Dover

I have emailed you. An innocuous comment I tried to post apparently has some naughty words in it.

I can’t figure it out. The only (somewhat paranoid) possibility is that mild criticism of immigration and the spicy virus are being shadow banned.

Yes I said it, because everything else I post gets posted immediately.

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 29, 2022 9:06 am

Faith and begorrah.
I never realised the risks those brave lads in the contact trace took.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 9:10 am

GreyRangasays:
December 29, 2022 at 8:56 am
The USN guys that run the nuclear plants on the ships and boats get their degrees in 18 months.

Chap I worked with here was an ex-nuke tech on a US sub. Also went onto one of the big aircraft carriers.
He mentioned the sheer amount of drills, drills, drills they went through simulating everything that could go wrong, day and night, deliberately sleep deprived and under huge pressure meant by the end of training he, and his supervisors were 100% certain the right decisions and actions would be taken by the nukes.

A pretty phenomenal hothouse environment for learning.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 9:10 am

The last few years has shown why Ireland was taken over by the English.

Useless wusses.

But in 1981 Uncle Canthal shot a black and tan with a scoped AR-10!

One in a million, boyo.

sfw
sfw
December 29, 2022 9:10 am

Been playing around with the AI site that JoNova links to. It’s pretty good, asked it a couple of questions on fairly arcane subjects and the answers were pretty good. It’s going to get better and get scarier. I don’t know that this is a good thing.

https://openai.com/

Louis Litt
December 29, 2022 9:11 am

Hi Dover
Could you flesh out for me the issues with no fault divorce.
Thanks.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 29, 2022 9:12 am

Only about 1/3 of the 800,000 working-age Syrian and Afghani immigrants in Germany have tax-paying jobs

I think quite a lot of them do have jobs, just not tax paying ones.
As all those Western Sydney shootouts indicate.
Of course they’ll be collecting welfare too.

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 9:13 am

Marriage has been under constant assault from feminism since at least 1975.

Gays have very little to do with marriage being made a joke of.

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 9:18 am

Yep Lionel Murphy, Eva cox etc etc

Dot
Dot
December 29, 2022 9:19 am

It is believed that the government replaced the cloaks with woollen blankets, a substandard substitute for a wet winter on the east coast, resulting in many Aboriginal people dying of common European cold and flus.

Why I died several times during my lifetime because I had inferior wool blankets and no possum skin cloaks.

“It is believed”…this is on a lower rung of research credibility than religions that simply state what their beliefs are.

Wool.

Salubrious but deadly.

Hi, I’m actor Troy McClure…

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 29, 2022 9:23 am

Useless wusses.

Looks like they’ve fully embraced an advertising trend of the hated Crown.
Unless, of course, the wilds of Co Donegal have undergone a wild demographic shift.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 29, 2022 9:24 am

“It is believed”…this is on a lower rung of research credibility than religions that simply state what their beliefs are.

Where does “Scientists say” and “Klimate scientists say” fit in the credibility scale?

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 29, 2022 9:26 am

Where does “Scientists say” and “Klimate scientists say” fit in the credibility scale?

Right alongside ‘trust the experts’

calli
calli
December 29, 2022 9:26 am

Faith and begorrah.
I never realised the risks those brave lads in the contact trace took.

It’s the Stealth Variant.

Travels down the phone lines.

calli
calli
December 29, 2022 9:28 am

Where does “Scientists say” and “Klimate scientists say” fit in the credibility scale?

Just behind “my psychic says…”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 9:29 am

johannasays:
December 29, 2022 at 7:34 am
miltonf says:
December 29, 2022 at 7:02 am

Universities I thought were established to preserve and foster western civ- now they actively do the opposite. They’re actually evil.

No. Universities were initially established to provide an educated workforce as trade, business and government, and the upper middle class, grew in the Middle Ages and beyond. Although the subjects were usually not directly vocationally oriented (that came later) the idea was that trained minds and good literacy were sound prerequisites for upper middle class jobs. And of course, the networking advantages became apparent quite soon.

The preservation of western civ through the Dark Ages (a period of extended cold climate) was largely by monasteries and nunneries. They will be needed again if our “leaders” insist on continuing on their present path to societal suicide.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 29, 2022 9:30 am

After one day of summer we are back to “frickin cold izzenit”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2022 9:32 am

Hi, I’m actor Troy McClure…

You may know me from such educational films as ‘Wool – The Silent Killer’ and ‘Why Yams are the Future’…

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
December 29, 2022 9:33 am

In half an hour on SBS, Elite to Elite, I mean Peer to Peer – Klaus!

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 9:35 am

Dot

on top of that year 11 and 12 are arguably a waste as they duplicate first year university.

I think it would be more accurate to say that first year university has declined in recent years into an attempt to teach what used to be covered comprehensively in years 10, 11 and 12.

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2022 9:39 am

I think it would be more accurate to say that first year university has declined in recent years into an attempt to teach what used to be covered comprehensively in years 10, 11 and 12.

Yes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 9:40 am

Dot

It is entirely possible to have people working before 16 and qualified in a trade or profession before 18.

But, but, but, …. how could the gummint justify bringing in so many “guest workers”?

miltonf
miltonf
December 29, 2022 9:40 am

Marriage has been under constant assault from feminism since at least 1975.

Gays have very little to do with marriage being made a joke of.

‘Dr’ Jocelyn Scutt, ‘Dr’ Dale Spender

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 9:47 am

Dotbait, het your dotbait here.
Freshly cut and oozing.

This is Le bad.
We must ban it and destroy anyone using it.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/05/31/135134/facial-recognition-porn-database-privacy-gdpr-data-collection-policy/
There is still no proof that the global system—which allegedly matched women’s social-media photos with images from sites like Pornhub—actually worked, or even existed. Still, the technology is possible and would have had awful consequences. “It’s going to kill people,” says Carrie A. Goldberg, an attorney who specializes in sexual privacy violations and author of the forthcoming book Nobody’s Victim: Fighting Psychos, Stalkers, Pervs, and Trolls. “Some of my most viciously harassed clients have been people who did porn, oftentimes one time in their life and sometimes nonconsensually [because] they were duped into it. Their lives have been ruined because there’s this whole culture of incels that for a hobby expose women who’ve done porn and post about them online and dox them.” (Incels, or “involuntary celibates,” are a misogynistic online subculture of men who claim they are denied sex by women.)

This is Le good, empowering and you go girl.
The ostensible reason for the group, as suggested by its title – calling out men for cheating or dating multiple women at the same time – is only part of what goes on. But it is a big part. Women who have matched with men will post their pictures to get the inside scoop on what they are really like, beyond their profiles.

Members will also post a picture of someone they’ve been dating for a while to find out if he’s seeing others. In one of the most dramatic threads I’ve seen, a married man with four children was exposed for dating women on the apps, after women who apparently knew his wife saw the thread and said they were going to alert her. Often, the women express their gratitude to each other for the information. “This group is a godsend,” someone said. “I’m so glad we have a community to help prevent us from being preyed on by opportunistic men.”

In one study of women who had used a dating platform in the past 15 years, more than a third said they have been sexually assaulted by someone they met on an app. In an ideal world, Are We Dating the Same Guy? wouldn’t have to exist, because dating apps would protect their users more. They would vet their users, provide background checks and age checks and proof about whether or not someone is married.

Discuss.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 9:49 am

alwaysrightsays:
December 29, 2022 at 9:30 am
After one day of summer we are back to “frickin cold izzenit”

Antarctica is on the march northwards. The Penguins of Madagascar told me so……………..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 29, 2022 9:55 am

Labor gives youth their own voice: ‘We’ll take our cues from them’
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Young people will be “brought back into the conversation” and given a “substantive stake in the policies that impact them” through measures introduced by Labor to restore formal youth consultation with government.

Minister for Youth Anne Aly said a new steering committee of young people aged 13 to 23 would engage with ministers and departments to be given a say in policies and “so that we can hear their issues”.

Of the 15 members of the committee who were selected from 1200 applicants, three are Indigenous, while others come from migrant backgrounds, the LGBTQI community and rural Australia.

Labor announced ahead of the election it would bring youth consultation back to government decision-making after the abolition of the Youth Advisory Council and the Office for Youth in 2013 under Tony Abbott.

“It’s really about making sure that in everything we do, we are aware of how it impacts young people … and how we can build that into how we do policies and legislation,” Dr Aly said.

On top of the steering committee, subcommittees or “youth advisory committees” will be set up across different portfolios to work with ministers in areas that affected young people.

“We really want to … not have an office for youth that sits in the dungeon of the Department of Education and does nice, surface-facing things, but an office and a mechanism that actually engages young people meaningfully and has outcomes for young people,” Dr Aly said.

She said the committee would meet in the new year to formally set out its agenda and she left the door open to the group having a say on contentious issues such as the voice to parliament.

“I’ll be taking my cue from them on that,” Dr Aly said. “I don’t want to tell them what they should be doing. The whole purpose of this is to really have young people tell us what they want.”

Dr Aly confirmed the committee had already met Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney last month to discuss the voice.

Anthony Albanese on Wednesday confirmed a referendum for the voice would be held within the next 12 months, despite the Liberal Party not yet having formalised a position on it.

Liberals are split on whether the party should form a binding position or offer a free vote, with MPs including Keith Wolahan and senators Andrew Bragg and Hollie Hughes this week supporting a conscience vote.

While leaving the door open to youth consultation on the voice, Dr Aly hosed down the idea of the voting age being lowered – an initiative being pushed by the Greens in the wake of New Zealand promising to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to vote. “I had a not-for-profit working specifically with young people before entering parliament. Nobody has ever raised … lowering of the voting age,” she said.

“I take my cue from those young people, I don’t take my cue from the Greens. When I talk to young people, the issues that matter to them (are) on mental health, housing and education.”

Another issue of concern for Dr Aly – who was an expert in counter-terrorism before entering parliament – was the increasing online radicalisation of youth.

“Young men, in particular, are being more and more exposed to the algorithms in their social media news feeds to narratives that underpin the incel movement and the white supremacist movement,” she said.

“They’re seeing this content more times than they’re having Sunday dinners. Three or four times a week.”

Dr Aly said it would be impossible to “simply eradicate” such content from the internet and educating young people was the only way to reduce harm associated with radicalising material.

Words fail me, they honestly do.

Johnny Rotten
December 29, 2022 9:57 am

Shy Tedsays:
December 29, 2022 at 9:33 am
In half an hour on SBS, Elite to Elite, I mean Peer to Peer – Klaus!

Try SBS World Movies. The Life and times of Colonel Blimp.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 29, 2022 9:57 am

I think it would be more accurate to say that first year university has declined in recent

There used to be prerequisites for entry to many uni courses so you could assume prior knowledge. Now not so much.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 29, 2022 9:59 am

alwaysrightsays:
December 29, 2022 at 9:24 am
“It is believed”…this is on a lower rung of research credibility than religions that simply state what their beliefs are.

Where does “Scientists say” and “Klimate scientists say” fit in the credibility scale?

Somewhere close to a “researcher” who has produced a “study”?

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2022 10:00 am

I guess if you wanted to study divinity the Church had its own facilities for that.

Theology (including philosophy) was one of the higher faculties in the medieval university, along with jurisprudence (civil and canon law) and medicine. Advancement to the higher faculties came only after completing the trivium and quadrivium, aka the seven liberal arts.

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2022 10:02 am

Labor gives youth their own voice: ‘We’ll take our cues from them’

What about giving tax payers a Voice?

MatrixTransform
December 29, 2022 10:04 am

Education is a racket

very much the Bunnings model too

All choice… No options

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 29, 2022 10:05 am

Look at this, look at this and point and laugh.
The CBD is dead. Long live the Central Social District

CBDs are a concept past their use-by date. The phrase “central business district” was coined by white, male, middle class planners in the 1930s and 40s.

Still at least this is some fringe mong with no ability to wreck shit.
Rob Stokes
NSW Minister for Planning

1The supremacy of street food. Relaxing indoor alcohol service in the 1960s allowed a restaurant culture to emerge in Sydney. Relaxing outdoor alcohol and food laws in the wake of COVID has allowed a flourishing street food industry to emerge. Deregulating eating and drinking in public spaces will transform the way we celebrate our cities.
2The rise of the walking meeting. The 2000 Olympics transformed Sydney’s smoko culture, where groups of office workers huddled in laneways to have a smoke and a quick chat, into a coffee culture, where people programmed coffee meetings into their daily routine. In the same way, the pandemic will see the coffee meeting augmented by the walking meeting – where a business meeting will quite literally become a walk in the park.
3The death of the necktie. In 1970s London, the bowler hat ruled supreme. Yet the “big bang” financial deregulation of the mid-1980s saw the rise of the yuppie, and the end of the bowler. The COVID lockdowns of the early 2020s will similarly, and dramatically, consign the necktie to history.

Robert Sewell
December 29, 2022 10:06 am

Calli:

In some cases, fetal cells may stay in a woman’s body for years. In a 2012 study, researchers analyzed the brains of 59 women ages 32 to 101, after they had died. They found 63 percent of these women had traces of male DNA from fetal cells in their brains.

Not sure what to answer to here, but it’s been known that stem cells from the foetus have been found circulating in the maternal blood supply for a couple of decades. The thought is “Why would a woman engage in such a dangerous act as getting pregnant unless there is some biological payback?”
I dunno – but my initial thought is that there is a LOT more to be discovered in foetal stem research.

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