Open Thread – New Year’s Weekend 2023


The Dreamer, Casper Friedrich, 1840


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Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 2:43 pm

Good luck to all KAR holders.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 2:43 pm

Speedbox.

In summary, the Zoltenmeister is basically saying, you regular finance types are f’ed in the head. Inflation will remain high because the world is changing quickly and the old globalism theme is gone. This means much higher bond yields in the West and it’s going to last around 5 years.

Look, I don’t agree with all his views as I don’t think the Dollar is going to be ‘de-reserved”. However, what he’s saying is worth thinking about.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 2:45 pm

sfw, it was curious how government advertisements for treatment shingles appeared during the vaccine roll-out/mandates. Had never seen tham before.

Something had changed. My suspicion is that there were so many adverse reactions presenting as shingles that something had to be done without admitting liability.

Also, don’t fall for the “please excuse me, a vaxxed, for commenting on the vaxx.” preface. It’s a game that the vaxxed have been wedged into playing by constant reeeeeeee-ing. You have every right to comment without having to give the reasons why you were vaxxed.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Bluey says: January 3, 2023 at 10:17 am
I can’t see too many of the immigrants to this place supporting elevation of Aboriginals over everyone else.

Yep. They’ve got to get it through, fast.
Once east asians reach 30% of the population, there will be no time for the current generous welfare provisions, you can forget any special treatment or payments to people who do not work.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 2:46 pm

Bern

LOL

Or maybe JC is Q …

You kidding, what a come down (or up) I’m “R”, the next letter up the alphabet. You’re “S”, Dot is “T” and of course Sanchez is “U”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 2:48 pm

Has anyone asked ChatGPT who Q is yet?

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 2:48 pm

I thought Runny had simply changed his name.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 2:51 pm

“Has anyone asked ChatGPT who Q is yet?”

Yes, AI reckons it’s Keith Olbermann.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Where is the laugh?

m0nty says: January 3, 2023 at 10:40 am
Can someone with an Oz sub please post the full text of this article? We could all do with a laugh.

SA Liberals call in Jones and Deves
Former broadcaster Alan Jones and anti-trans campaigner Katherine Deves have been called upon by SA Liberal conservatives to help the party chart a new course.

There’s one branch of the Liberal party that might be, after trying everything else, trying something that will win actual votes.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 2:52 pm

JC, I think the natural extension of what Zoltan is saying is when the US brings Venezuela into its sphere of influence.
Unlike the middle east, between a half & third of their proven reserves are off shore.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 2:52 pm

Chuckle. I’ve had a couple of day’s grace since the family left…the joys of silence and contemplation. And now they’re coming back for Twelfth Night! Plus I’m getting the two littlest ones while Mum and Dad have some “Us” time.

I don’t think I can take another episode of LadyBug and Cat Noir. I might have to hide the remote. Or myself.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 2:53 pm

Something had changed. My suspicion is that there were so many adverse reactions presenting as shingles that something had to be done without admitting liability.

Pick me!
Shingles like rash after second shot, luckily not advancing to full blown.
Thats after the first shot did the whole “lets see how high his blood pressure can get” for a couple of weeks.
170/110 at its peak if you must know, and I am one of these boring “never over 130” people.

But Im sure it was a change in the weather, or something else, both times.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 2:54 pm

Saw this happen on the road out of Jackson’s airport in PNG,

Site of a major disaster in September 1943. A fully fueled and bombed-up Liberator bomber crashed on take of into men of the 2/33rd Battalion waiting to be loaded inti transports to be flown to Nadzab for the Lae operation. About 150 dead and injured. Dad was an operating theatre orderly in Moresby at the time, helped with the injured.

The remainder of the Battalion were loaded into their transports once the area was cleared, and flown to their destination.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 2:54 pm

Yeah nah…. Musk’s AI bot is no good… just see what it responded to me…

There is no evidence to support the claim that the 2020 election was stolen. Multiple independent and non-partisan organizations, including the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) of the Department of Homeland Security, have stated that the 2020 U.S. elections were the most secure in U.S. history.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 2:55 pm

sfwsays:

January 3, 2023 at 2:42 pm

Ken Block dead.

Vaxxed?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 2:57 pm

You kidding, what a come down (or up) I’m “R”, the next letter up the alphabet. You’re “S”, Dot is “T” and of course Sanchez is “U”.

No.
You are U.
I am I.
Dot is S.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 2:57 pm

feelthebern says:
January 3, 2023 at 2:52 pm

JC, I think the natural extension of what Zoltan is saying is when the US brings Venezuela into its sphere of influence.
Unlike the middle east, between a half & third of their proven reserves are off shore.

Yea.

The other problem is where does all this leave Europe? I know, they’re Euroweenies and mostly arseholes, but they’re our Euroweenies and arseholes. If Z’s view carries the day, Europe appears to be well and truly rooted because China will essentially have their paws on the mid east oil. That’s very ungood for Europe.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 2:58 pm

callis

We are babysitting two little sisters tonight, the horror!

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 3, 2023 2:59 pm

I don’t think I can take another episode of LadyBug and Cat Noir

For us at the moment it is “Little Lunch”.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 3:00 pm

No.
You are U.
I am I.
Dot is S.

Bullshit. That’s unacceptable. You’re “U”. I’m not “U” and will never be U.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 3:00 pm

Ken Block dead.

Vaxxed?

Worse even than that: a snowmobile accident.
Jeremy Renner the actor got run over by one yesterday, he’s still alive…just.
Some’s going to blame climate change, betcha.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 3:00 pm

m0ntysays:
January 3, 2023 at 2:14 pm
There are those who love him, and those who hate him.

The family of the kid involved in the incident at Kings that got Jones sacked probably don’t belong to the former category.

Drag Queen stories?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 3:04 pm

Vicki

I don’t think these people will concede anything until the government releases a united “mea culpa” & releases the actual data, and further reveals that VAERS flaws (& deliberate concealment and/or official instructions in GP practices) that prevented accurate recording of adverse events.

That will occur around the 12th …

of never.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 3:04 pm

Between the “bomb cyclone” freezing Texas to Buffalo and the “atmospheric river” that hit California yesterday they have snow all over the place. The cultists are blaming global warming of course.

I love those terms though, so apocalyptic. Much more usefully emotional than just “bad weather”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 3:05 pm

Alex Berenson does himself no favours.
He’s written extensively about the IgG4 antibody paper.
Fantastic work.

But now he’s on twitter saying the Bills player is dead because of the vaccines.
Dick head.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 3:06 pm

Dover, is the f word moderated ?
Just had to edit a post.

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 3:09 pm

Cassie of Sydney:

If you want an insight into the mind of a fascist, Monty is the perfect example. He doesn’t mind some killing, some murder, if the perpetrators have, in his own words, “legitimate grievances” and in 1939 would have been defending “Aktion T4” in Germany. It’s why he was here yesterday defending perverts reading to children, he has no moral compass.

+ lots.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 3:09 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:

January 3, 2023 at 3:00 pm

Ken Block dead.

Vaxxed?

Worse even than that: a snowmobile accident.

Well, people are still out there on these things without taking their iodine.
Asking for it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 3:12 pm

Sancho – Hydroxylic acid in its solid form is extremely dangerous.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 3:13 pm

NFL player Damar’s vitals are apparently back to normal but they have put him to sleep to put a tube down his throat and see what is going on…

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 3:15 pm

Lotocoti:

Diversity and Inclusion takes all sorts.
The sacred NHS is the envy of the world.
Apparently.

That’s ?what 3 generations of white girls and boys sacrificed in cities across the UK to push the Multicultural Monster.
“We will rub the Rights noses in multiculturalism.” Tony Blair.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 3:19 pm

On the heli crash, and pure conjecture from my 2 second glimpse of the grainy collision video – one helicopter was going up and the other was hovering, perhaps coming down.

It is telling that one copter crashed was the one that lost its rotors whereas the other one managed to land, roughly, but safely. Looking at the damage on them, it appears one has flown into the front belly of the other, lost its rotors and has fallen.

How the climbing pilot has not seen the other heli is a mystery but I reckon the hovering pilot wouldn’t have seen it coming at that angle (well, until it was too late anyway…).

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 3:19 pm

I don’t think I can take another episode of LadyBug and Cat Noir

Ill see you and raise you Thomas the tank engine.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 3:22 pm

the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) of the Department of Homeland Security, have stated that the 2020 U.S. elections were the most secure in U.S. history.

That settles it, then.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 3, 2023 3:23 pm

Ken Block dead.

Aw crap … he was one of the greats, his car control was legendary. 🙁

Note to self – stay away from snow sports.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 3, 2023 3:23 pm

Arrived back in Melbourne last night after the Christmas New Year car drive extravaganza. Essentially a big triangle route. Melbourne-Canberra-Yorke Peninsula-Melbourne. Approx 3300kms. Hume Hwy was very good to Canberra although there were some larger potholes in Southern NSW. Following the Murrumbidgee and the Murray the road was in reasonable nick. The odd pothole but not too bad in my experience. The main roads in SA were very good except near the grain haulers. The big grain trucks (65 tonne) are tearing the roads according to the locals. Crossing back into Vic – Border town to Ballarat the roads were absolutely shyte. The worst of the trip. Obviously no multi culti votes for Dan in those parts.
Beautiful country, great drive.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 3, 2023 3:24 pm

A U.S. Marine Colonel was about to start the morning briefing to his staff.

While waiting for the coffee machine to finish brewing, the colonel decided to pose a question to all assembled.

He explained that his wife had been a bit frisky the night before and he failed to get his usual amount of sound sleep. He posed the question of just how much of sex was ‘work’ and how much of it was “pleasure?”

A Major chimed in with 75-25% in favour of work.
A Captain said it was 50-50%.
A lieutenant responded with 75-25% in favour of pleasure, depending upon his state of inebriation at the time.

There being no consensus, the colonel turned to the private first class who was in charge of making the coffee and asked for his opinion.

Without any hesitation, the young PFC responded “Sir, it has to be 100% pleasure”.

The colonel was surprised and as you might guess, asked why. “Well, sir, if there was any work involved, the officers would have me doing it for them”.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 3, 2023 3:25 pm

To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.

– Nicolaus Copernicus

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 3, 2023 3:29 pm

Something had changed. My suspicion is that there were so many adverse reactions presenting as shingles that something had to be done without admitting liability.

Given the documented immune suppression after the vaxx, re-activation of dormant chicken pox virus in the form of shingles is perfectly likely.

It fits also with the rash of ‘turbo cancers'(= cancers which are already widely spread at diagnosis and then progress rapidly) – your immune system is responsible for keeping both cancers and infections in check. A friend of mine is a surgeon who told me he normally sees only 1 ‘turbo cancer’ a year, but found 6 last year.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 3:30 pm

to know that we do not know what we do not know.

It’s impossible to know what you don’t know. You can be fairly confident that there are things you don’t know, on the basis that you’ve learnt new things in the past, so there’s likely to be more to come.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 3, 2023 3:30 pm

Lysander
NFL player Damar’s vitals are apparently back to normal

Twas a fair hit to the head. Strange how he was able to stand up and then collapsed. Hope he pulls through ok.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 3, 2023 3:34 pm

Crossing back into Vic – Border town to Ballarat the roads were absolutely shyte. The worst of the trip

I second that, having driven Adelaide to Ballarat perhaps 20 times in the last 12 months. The Western Highway is abysmal, with multiple areas with pavement failure and subsidence and potholes everywhere. It is so bad I have considered swapping out my daily runabout (Mazda CX3) with a small 4WD, eg a Jimny.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 3:35 pm

Wonderfully creative engineering.

Can We Throw Satellites to Space? – SpinLaunch

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 3:36 pm

ZK2A:

We seek answers to reasonable questions; how and why did this happen? And how do we ‘”fix’’ the system to prevent this from happening again?

Something the Romans did which would have worked.
We could grab the cohort of all the prisoners pronounced guilty for a second crime and gaoled.
Hang every tenth one.
Watch the recidivism rate drop.

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 3:42 pm

HHBear:

The Paywallian is hardly representative but I just cannot see this being a re-run of poofta marriage.

I see it being passed by about 55%.
Why?
Because I think the entire system is broken and corrupted.
The Democrats didn’t invite all those ALP Youth Workers to help with their elections in the US, just to drink coffee. Remember that there is one thing the communists do well, is corruptly network and organise.

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 3:45 pm

Wodger:

As to early intervention, all well and good in theory, but removing indigenous children to stable white foster families where they can be diverted from criminal patterns of behaviour will produce howls of protest from the usual suspects.

You’re assuming diversion from criminal patterns of behaviour is the Lefts goal.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 3, 2023 3:52 pm

The average Dan loving city voter won’t wake up to the state of the roads in Victoria until all the avocados and mangoes are pre bruised getting to the supermarkets.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
January 3, 2023 3:53 pm

Eyrie and Sanchez
Thank you for your blogs on air speed etc.
No idea about this stuff so any info is interesting – not to mention exhausting to comprehend

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 3, 2023 3:54 pm

Fer cryin’ out loud…

David Letterman, on the latest instalment of the B-grade interview show Netflix threw to him as lifeline for his fall from grace, continues his fellating of lefty favourites.

His first program was dedicated to Jug-Ears Obama.

The latest episode is an interview with…Zelensky!

My suspicion is that Letterman’s guests send him a list of what they want to say, and Letterman just comes up with questions to match.

I used to have an American friend who would sometimes send me some of Letterman’s ‘Top Ten’ lists. It was kind of embarrassing because he seemed to think they were the universally recognised as the funniest things ever, but I swear I never cracked a smile.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 4:04 pm

Rock band Modest Mouse has confirmed the death of founding member and drummer Jeremiah Green just days after revealing he had been diagnosed with cancer(…) revealed his cancer diagnosis just days before his death

That was fast. He was 45.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 4:06 pm

Autopsies show COVID-19 virus in brain, elsewhere in body

And in one case they isolated viral RNA 230 days after a patient’s symptoms began.

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 4:07 pm

Lysander:

Indeed. I think having someone who has been described by many as a psychopath and sociopath is very concerning.

It’s very difficult to fit the Ruddster into either of these categories:
A Sociopath is very tuned in to the reaction they are have on others as they try to manipulate them. A psychopath is unable to understand how what they are doing causes distress in the individual.
It’s best to assume the Ruddster is just a prick and take it from there.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
January 3, 2023 4:14 pm

South Australia has become the first Australian jurisdiction to allow private electric-car owners to send their battery’s energy back into their own homes.

Bi-directional charging allows V2G-equipped electric cars to use their battery as a portable power supply when the grid is non-operational, or to save on electricity bills.

If approved, they will be eligible to purchase the charger from Australian firm JetCharge for about $10,000, excluding installation costs.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 3, 2023 4:15 pm

I lived opposite the GC Seaworld and watched the choppers TO and land many times a day. They do joy flights and are popular. The wind was SE 18kts at 2pm and a bit gusty. That wind direction runs all the way up the GC over and around many a very tall building so it always seemed turbulent. Humidity >60% but no rain. The yachting community would be very active on such a day and it’s a great sight to behold so easy to distract. The actual LZ is very tight. Reports are a bit unclear other than one was taking off, the other landing. It’s the same flight dozens of times a day, just a quick trip up the coast and back so things could become a bit automatic. So nothing environmental really jumps out. In my flying days I was always amazed at how an aircraft would blend into any background until it was close. Pilot and passenger autopsies required.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2023 4:15 pm

Things aren’t looking good for Roger Moore today.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 4:16 pm

The Islamic State terrorist group claimed responsibility for the Friday attack on a police checkpoint in Ismailia, Egypt, that resulted in the deaths of three police officers. Despite Islamic State’s partial defeat in Egypt, the attack demonstrated its survival and aim to expand its reach to key locations in the country, in order to attract additional fighters.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 4:17 pm

Perpetual irritant!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 4:17 pm

An image for Monty to ponder.

comment image

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 4:26 pm

Regarding Thomas the Tank Engine. I like the early British episodes which were narrated by Ringo Starr. Had a real British authenticity to them. Much later series were narrated by Alec Baldwin. Seriously!?! Alec Baldwin. sigh…

Speedbox
January 3, 2023 4:29 pm

JC says:
January 3, 2023 at 2:43 pm

Thanks JC. A very sobering read and to be honest, Pozsar’s evaluation feeds/supports my perception of the geopolitics. Of course, I don’t put myself anywhere near his capacity for the financial assessment but what he says, strikes a chord with me.

My interest was initiated back in 2014 when Russia and China did a currency swap deal worth 150 billion yuan ($24.5 billion). Obviously a small amount but it allowed each country’s central bank to gain access to the other’s currency (in addition to some other currencies) without trading via the US dollar.

For me, it was a pivotal event. (note the year date – the swap occurred just a few months after the ‘Maiden Revolution’ in Ukraine).

Then, in 2016 the Russian alternative to SWIFT, the System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS) arrived. It was effectively identical to SWIFT and allowed all Russian banks to interconnect with Chinese banks and exchange rubles for yuan and vice versa.

Definitely a ‘WTF is going on here?’ moment.

Added to that, in 2017, Russian banks introduced blockchain technology and started using it for international payments.

(More relevant to events in Ukraine but in June 2021, the Russian Treasury announced that it was ditching the US dollar entirely and would instead convert their holdings to 30% Chinese yuan and 40% Euro with the balance in other currencies).

In any case, these changes segue into what Zoltan is suggesting and my reading of geopolitics would support the ‘long game’ China is playing. I think his timeline is somewhat too short but I accept his view of the outcome.

You said: I don’t agree with all his views as I don’t think the Dollar is going to be ‘de-reserved”.

No maybe not and certainly not in the short term, but Xi specifically, and the Chinese government more generally, are undoubtedly preparing for what they perceive as the ascendency of the East contrasted by the corresponding decline of the West. This process will take a few decades, but it can’t be dismissed and although the US will defend the dollar, its place as a reserve currency is not permanently assured.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 4:31 pm

Much later series were narrated by Alec Baldwin. Seriously!?! Alec Baldwin

Until he shot the Fat Controller.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 4:33 pm

Toby the Tram Engine took the rap. What a patsy.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 3, 2023 4:34 pm

John H.says: January 3, 2023 at 4:06 pm
Autopsies show COVID-19 virus in brain, elsewhere in body

Senior study author Daniel Chertow, MD, MPH works for the NIH. Like that other doctor who has just finished up, what was his name? Began with a F…
Meanwhile the rest of the world has failed to isolate SARS Cov2.
So whay would they do that? Oh –

“We’re hoping to replicate the data on viral persistence and study the relationship with long COVID,”

Twenty-seven patients (61.4%) had three or more comorbidities and the median age was 62.5 years.
You don’t say.

They isolated virus from 25 of 55 specimens tested.

Beginning to fall apart.

flash freezing of fresh tissue allowed us to detect and quantify SARS-CoV-2 RNA levels with high sensitivity by [polymerase chain reaction]

PCR you say? That test that isn’t a test?
Fauci, that was his name. Dr Chertow is the new Dr Fauci.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 3, 2023 4:34 pm

m0ntysays:
January 3, 2023 at 11:58 am
Can you predict earthquakes?

No. Neither the USGS nor any other scientists have ever predicted a major earthquake. We do not know how, and we do not expect to know how any time in the foreseeable future. USGS scientists can only calculate the probability that a significant earthquake will occur (shown on our hazard mapping) in a specific area within a certain number of years.

BS! Dutchsinse has been forecasting them for a decade with an 80% + success rate. He makes the USGS look like amateurs and what they have said above is a blatant lie.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 4:34 pm

Quick check of their ABCcess.

Only mention of the ex-AMA head & politican who claimed vax injuries to her and her wife is the hemp story..
Its as though shes been unpersoned.

Hemp research push begins with consortium keen for crop expansion
Renowned doctor Kerryn Phelps will lead a consortium of universities and international companies seeking to make hemp into one of Australia’s top crops.

7 Nov 20227 November 2022ABC NEWS2mminutes read

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 4:36 pm

Calli et al:

I think so bern. Had a look at the footage. It didn’t look like a hard hit, but straight to the chest, and possibly the chin.

Precordial thump is based on a short sharp chest blow (equivalent to a fist dropped from a height of 18″ with no muscular acceleration) to the sternum is capable of jolting back into a rhythm a stopped heart. There are several qualifications for the practise.
There are reasons why the sharp blow at the end cycle of each cardiac can also stop the heart muscle.
On the face of it, this looks like one of those rare occasions when the blow has come at the exact wrong time in the cycle.
Just surmising – I wasn’t there and didn’t witness it.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 4:38 pm

Hemp is a magnificent fibre. Forget the medicinal (or recreational) use. I can’t understand why it isn’t a major warm climate crop here.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 4:38 pm

The chaps collapse could be non cardiac.
Collapsed lungs a possibility?

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 4:41 pm

I seriously believe Shingles are a by product of the stab. I had a very mild case of Shingles about 7 years ago. Didn’t realise straight away what it was. Hadn’t heard of anyone having Shingles for decades. I believed I had an allergic reaction to some plant or something that I had brushed up against when I noticed blisters forming on my left hip. Only a small patch, that was all. I went to the doctor when calamine lotion and such didn’t work. All gone within a fortnight. Pain wasn’t welcome, but bearable.

A couple of weeks before Christmas, a friend called, he’s my age, to tell me he had a bad dose of Shingles. He and his missus both. Hers wasn’t too bad he said, but he was almost completely covered in blisters. Even on his bald head, poor bugger. Said pain was excruciating. His wife’s only lasted about ten days but the last time I spoke to him, just before Christmas, he’d been poxy for 32 days and counting. Heavy duty painkillers were barely taking off the edge. Drinking wasn’t helping. He’d taken to roaming up and down the beach and the park every night so as not to disturb his wife who has major health problems of her own. Both are double vaxxed. He only let himself be stabbed because he was told it would stop him infecting his wife who has an auto-immune problem. He has also had covid three times since being stabbed, once saw him in hospital.
I have no doubt it is because of the stab. I really, really want to hurt someone who has done this to not just my mate, but to everyone here on the Cat who was forced into taking these Frankenstein drugs.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2023 4:43 pm

Oh don’t bother Big Nambas.
I’ve never been a member of any mRna ‘church’.
You clearly don’t have any genuine argument to make.

shatterzzz
January 3, 2023 4:43 pm

I don’t think I can take another episode of LadyBug and Cat Noir

I’ve downloaded a dozen “Barbie” animated movies .. always a winner ..
I had no idea there were so may full length Barbie cartoon movies but there are .. LOL!

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 4:43 pm

As to early intervention, all well and good in theory, but removing indigenous children to stable white foster families where they can be diverted from criminal patterns of behaviour will produce howls of protest from the usual suspects.

Few will step up.
Fewer still will pass the the woke test.
And I don’t blame people for not trying. The prosses is demeaning and long.

Makka
Makka
January 3, 2023 4:43 pm

715 comments so far – all but three opposing the “Voice.”

We’re gonna need a bigger re-education camp.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 4:47 pm

Things aren’t looking good for Roger Moore today.

You don’t read the Express then Bear?
They seem to have a thing about the good Sir Roger.

James Bond: James Brolin was devastated to be dropped as 007 after replacing Roger Moore (29 Dec)
Roger Moore’s James Bond Moonraker love scene with Lois Chiles was ‘hardest of my career’ (27 Dec)
‘Petrified’ Roger Moore relied on booze and Valium on James Bond set sabotaged by monks (26 Dec)
Roger Moore called James Bond co-star a ‘diseased sex maniac with unnatural lusts’ (18 Dec)

Its amusing!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 4:47 pm

Robert Sewellsays:

January 3, 2023 at 3:36 pm

ZK2A:

We seek answers to reasonable questions; how and why did this happen? And how do we ‘”fix’’ the system to prevent this from happening again?

Something the Romans did which would have worked.
We could grab the cohort of all the prisoners pronounced guilty for a second crime and gaoled.
Hang every tenth one.
Watch the recidivism rate drop

Hang every tenth one, eh?
For a second crime of what?
Burglary?
Exceeding 0.05?
Not wearing an N95 mask?
What?
You rail against arbitrary Covid restrictions imposed by the state, but are happy with summary execution.
Seriously, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with arbitrary capital punishment.
What was the other one you posted?
“Execute 1,000 before lunch and watch the others fall into line” or somesuch?
Honestly, you really should talk to a health professional about this.
It isn’t healthy to harbour these thoughts.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 4:51 pm

715 comments so far – all but three opposing the “Voice.”

I’m going to make a prediction and say that the burbs that have a higher ratio of indigeneity are going to vote NO harder than burbs with little indigeneity…

What will our masters cook up to explain this?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Sancho Panzer says: January 3, 2023 at 4:47 pm

Yes JC, you’re the smartest person in the room.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 4:52 pm

A psychopath is unable to understand how what they are doing causes distress in the individual.
It’s best to assume the Ruddster is just a prick and take it from there.

BullShit!
Here’s the real definition:

In The Mask of Sanity Cleckley introduced sixteen behavioral characteristics of a psychopath that he derived from clinical interviews and other corroborating sources.

Superficial charm and good “intelligence”
Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
Absence of “nervousness” or psychoneurotic manifestations
Unreliability
Untruthfulness and insincerity
Lack of remorse and shame
Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love
General poverty in major affective reactions
Specific loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink and sometimes without
Suicide rarely carried out
Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
Failure to follow any life plan

Rudd is a psychopath.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2023 4:52 pm

Not impossible to beat but generally speaking not a good starting point for getting treatment
Modest Mouse drummer Jeremiah Green diagnosed with stage 4 cancer

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2023 4:57 pm

Hemp is a magnificent fibre. Forget the medicinal (or recreational) use. I can’t understand why it isn’t a major warm climate crop here.

I think I mentioned here recently that Kerryn Phelps is heading up a consortium of investors looking to do just that, backed by ag scientists at USQ. They’re looking to have 100 000 hectares under cultivation within a decade.

Robert Sewell
January 3, 2023 4:59 pm

ZK2A:

The Zimmerman Telegram is next on my re – read list.

There’s a half hour video on the web describing how the war could have ended 1916 and I watched it a couple of days ago, but it hasn’t entered my old links list.
But I’ll have another look.
It describes the Russian offensive as very surprising to the Central powers esp taken in conjunction with the ?AustroHungarian debacle down south.
Foundit!

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 4:59 pm

Suicide rarely carried out

**sad face**

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 3, 2023 5:05 pm

Johnny Rottensays:
January 3, 2023 at 1:04 pm
2022 US Inflation is Final – 32% for the year

From Armstrong Economics –

“Our Independent Inflation model has calculated that the combined rate for everything from food to transportation came in at 32% for 2022. That is a far cry from the official number. This is simply calculated by Socrates from an unbiased perspective. Thank you, COVID & the Russian Sanctions. What a new wonderful world the Biden Administration has created.”

Wife just returned from shopping – no frozen chips ALDI or Woolies

3 Pack Kitchen Paper Roll gone from AUD $2.95 to AUD $5.00 from last week

I would call that a 69.5% increase

Cadbury Chocolate down from 250g to 200g and now 180g

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 5:05 pm

Something the Romans did which would have worked.
We could grab the cohort of all the prisoners pronounced guilty for a second crime and gaoled.
Hang every tenth one.
Watch the recidivism rate drop.

The rate of recidivism would probably only go down by one tenth. The habitual crims that get caught are not likely to be doing it by choice.

mizaris
mizaris
January 3, 2023 5:05 pm

I don’t think I can take another episode of LadyBug and Cat Noir

Ill see you and raise you Thomas the tank engine.

And Elf on the shelf on constant rotation…

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 5:05 pm

Klaus Schwab at the beach in cock sock, truss and garters.
Not photoshopped!

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 5:11 pm

The Albanese government will kick start their Voice to Parliament “Yes” campaign on February 20th with a “week of action”.

Odd. I thought funding for either side of the campaign was removed (for obvious reasons)…

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 3, 2023 5:11 pm

Egg shortage at Woolies, The Range, Toowoomba.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 5:12 pm

Hang every tenth one.
Watch the recidivism rate drop.

That would depend on the crime and the circumstances. Poor buggers were hanged for simply trying to put food on the table once. As for deviancy, and predatory deviancy in particular, the desire will always outweigh the punishment. An itch that must be scratched regardless.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 5:12 pm

The Albanese government will kick start their Voice to Parliament “Yes” campaign on February 20th with a “week of action”.

And more odd, actually, but hasn’t the “yes campaign” already started? I’m pretty sure it started circa 2007.

johanna
johanna
January 3, 2023 5:12 pm

Vicki says:
January 3, 2023 at 2:13 pm

I have noticed that Alan Jones has put the contents of his Fitzroy home to auction with Lawsons. I know that he has had spinal surgery once again in 2022. Anyone know anything further?

According to the Oz today, it was the contents of his Southern Highlands property. It includes everything from an oil painting of Elizabeth Taylor to saddles and his runners.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 3, 2023 5:13 pm

South Australia has become the first Australian jurisdiction to allow private electric-car owners to send their battery’s energy back into their own homes.

They haven’t heard of cycle life of batteries have they? Great scam, charging people $10,000 to flatten the car batteries and reduce their life. Everyone who signs up for this deserves to be ripped off.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 5:15 pm

Fitzroy Falls. Beautiful part of the world.

Looks like Alan is clearing house.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 5:15 pm

Hemp is a magnificent fibre.

Makes good rope; very useful when HoP time comes.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 5:17 pm

“Renowned doctor Kerryn Phelps”

Says who?

Goanna
Goanna
January 3, 2023 5:18 pm

Calli.

Hemp is a magnificent fibre. Forget the medicinal (or recreational) use. I can’t understand why it isn’t a major warm climate crop here.

They used to make durable bank notes and land titles from hemp.

The drawback in growing hemp is that it uses much water to grow.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 3, 2023 5:18 pm

Thancho I have no problem with summary execution of politicians. In fact it should be mandatory.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 5:20 pm

As for deviancy, and predatory deviancy in particular, the desire will always outweigh the punishment. An itch that must be scratched regardless.

To paraphrase the good doctor Dalrymple on such people: an itch that can be suppressed if there is a policeman nearby.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 5:20 pm

Lysandersays:
January 3, 2023 at 4:51 pm
715 comments so far – all but three opposing the “Voice.”

I’m going to make a prediction and say that the burbs that have a higher ratio of indigeneity are going to vote NO harder than burbs with little indigeneity…

What will our masters cook up to explain this?

Waaaaaaycisssssssm!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 5:22 pm

As for deviancy, and predatory deviancy in particular, the desire will always outweigh the punishment. An itch that must be scratched regardless.

True, but they might be more inclined to scratch their itches out of sight. As in the good old days.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 5:23 pm

Alan Jones is selling the Southern Highlands property because the last of his nephews’ children is heading to Queensland. His extended family lived in the Big house on the property for years and Alan had the smaller place. The family were all heavily into horses and the youngest daughter has decided to try her luck in Queensland. She is only sixteen? so obviously her parents want to be with her and are also relocating. Now the family are gone, Alan is downsizing.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 5:25 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
January 3, 2023 at 5:17 pm
“Renowned doctor Kerryn Phelps”

Says who?

Cassie, she only came to wider notice because of her, at the time, famous actor brother Peter Phelps.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 5:29 pm

Wow, the slightest crack has been struck in Crazy California’s woke shell. Bravo.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 5:30 pm

As for deviancy, and predatory deviancy in particular, the desire will always outweigh the punishment. An itch that must be scratched regardless.

To paraphrase the good doctor Dalrymple on such people: an itch that can be suppressed if there is a policeman nearby.

Which is what makes it so evil. The desire never goes away (an itch that must be scratched regardless) but the element of choice remains. They do it because the want to.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 5:32 pm

Kerryn Phelps was on speed dial at the ABC as the prez of the holy AMA.
Now she’s persona non grata. Interesting how this works with the Left.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 5:34 pm

“Cassie, she only came to wider notice because of her, at the time, famous actor brother Peter Phelps.”

Yep, I’ve met her several times. Phelps has always been a nasty piece of work.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 5:36 pm

Not impossible to beat but generally speaking not a good starting point for getting treatment
Modest Mouse drummer Jeremiah Green diagnosed with stage 4 cancer

5 days from diagnosis to death is pretty fast. As always, I’m aware cancer can take people of that age that quickly,* but it’s just not all that common. Yet it seems to have become a lot more common over the last year or so. Same with the sudden onset of acute auto-immune disorders that kill quickly.

Nothing to see here, everything’s normal.

*I say ‘as always’ because I don’t know why I always need to mention this but apparently I do. If I don’t, Rosie will invariably point it out to me. And probably will anyway

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 5:36 pm

“Kerryn Phelps was on speed dial at the ABC as the prez of the holy AMA.”

Ahhh yes, she was also on speed dial at the ABC when she ran as an independent and became the member for the seat of Wentworth. My God how they loved her and fawned over her.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 5:37 pm

Shy Tedsays:
January 3, 2023 at 4:34 pm
John H.says: January 3, 2023 at 4:06 pm
Autopsies show COVID-19 virus in brain, elsewhere in body

Senior study author Daniel Chertow, MD, MPH works for the NIH. Like that other doctor who has just finished up, what was his name? Began with a F…
Meanwhile the rest of the world has failed to isolate SARS Cov2.
So whay would they do that? Oh –

“We’re hoping to replicate the data on viral persistence and study the relationship with long COVID,”

Twenty-seven patients (61.4%) had three or more comorbidities and the median age was 62.5 years.
You don’t say.

They isolated virus from 25 of 55 specimens tested.

Beginning to fall apart.

flash freezing of fresh tissue allowed us to detect and quantify SARS-CoV-2 RNA levels with high sensitivity by [polymerase chain reaction]

PCR you say? That test that isn’t a test?
Fauci, that was his name. Dr Chertow is the new Dr Fauci.

None of your commentary makes any sense.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 5:41 pm

5 days from diagnosis to death is pretty fast.

Was it from diagnosis?
Or announcement?
Maybe he kept it under his hat.
Mid-tour, promoters would be keen to suppress it to prevent any “box office reticence” from fans.
Still a close relative of mine had less than 48 hours from final diagnosis to death.
Although there was a bit of misinterpretation of some symptoms for a few days before that.

Jorge
Jorge
January 3, 2023 5:41 pm

That extract from Benedict’s writing upthread is unforgettable. The church becoming much, much smaller but still present and always new for those who hear.
Benedict’s resignation and silence were eloquent rejoinders to the political cacophony that surrounds us.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 5:41 pm

When I read Bob S’s suggestion on decimating recidivists, I didn’t have a panty-wetting. I asked myself three questions:
1. Is it practical? Could it be implemented in contemporary Oz?
2. If it were implemented, would it work?
3. Would there be consequential side effects that might be worse than the original problem?

My answers were No, Yes, and very probably.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 5:42 pm

The Idaho murder suspect looks a lot like Ted Bundy.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 5:46 pm

Revisiting ABC versus Australian Electoral Commission data on SSM plebiscite and I know this seems only minor but where the yes vote had a decimal in front of it, their ABC have rounded it up for every single State.

Where a no vote had a decimal, it has been rounded down. Minor points but still…

In related news, I never realised only 58% of Territorians turned out to “vote” on the issue…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 3, 2023 5:47 pm

Yay – I am of some use to the World!

NYT Says ‘Short People’ Have Smaller ‘Carbon Footprints’ and It Couldn’t Be More Hilarious

Welp, according to a New York Times op-ed, it appears that one of the most effective methods of reducing our individual carbon footprint has been right under our noses the whole time. Literally. Hint: the closer our noses are to the ground, the smaller our carbon footprint. Yup, the shorter you are, the fewer anthropogenic carbon emissions you generate.

johanna
johanna
January 3, 2023 5:47 pm

Precordial thump is based on a short sharp chest blow (equivalent to a fist dropped from a height of 18? with no muscular acceleration) to the sternum is capable of jolting back into a rhythm a stopped heart. There are several qualifications for the practise.
There are reasons why the sharp blow at the end cycle of each cardiac can also stop the heart muscle.
On the face of it, this looks like one of those rare occasions when the blow has come at the exact wrong time in the cycle

Dunno about this instance, but more generally I can attest to this phenomenon. It’s all a matter of physics – a sudden movement with certain things aligned can have major consequences. In my case, I tore a ligament in my hip after going down on one side on an uneven surface – 99% of the time, no biggie, but the physics of that wrench cost me many months of pain and hobbling.

It happens.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 3, 2023 5:48 pm

Plus I learnt a new word “Welp”

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 5:50 pm

Was it from diagnosis?
Or announcement?

Quite so. Some people are very quiet about these things and need to deal with them in private before going public.

I know I would.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 5:51 pm

Was it from diagnosis?
Or announcement?
Maybe he kept it under his hat.

The article I read looks to have been stealth edited as I checked that carefully because it was so quick. Probably not 5 days from diagnosis to death – likely still fast.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 3, 2023 5:51 pm

Inside the 20 seconds from joyride to catastrophe: How four lives were lost in perfect flying conditions – as horrific new details emerge about the final moments on doomed Sea World choppers

. Conditions were near-perfect when tragic helicopter crash happened
. But 20 seconds after taking off, the two choppers collided in mid-air
. Lower chopper’s rotor blades smashed into second aircraft’s cockpit
. Sudden impact ripped the rotor unit and gearbox off lower helicopter
. It plummeted into sandbar below, killing four including pilot and tourists
. Second pilot managed to maintain control to crash land and save lives

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2023 5:51 pm

Regarding the Voice ; One of the regular trolls over on Bolta is making the claim that, well into last century, Aboriginal children were banned from going to school after Grade 6. Anybody heard of that one?

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 5:51 pm

Yay – I am of some use to the World!

Me too! Bow down, minions!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 5:52 pm

Bob S. is keen to kill people, he reckoned shooting a thousand Australians in the head was a good idea, a little while back.

johanna
johanna
January 3, 2023 5:54 pm

I’m going to make a prediction and say that the burbs that have a higher ratio of indigeneity are going to vote NO harder than burbs with little indigeneity…

What will our masters cook up to explain this?

Why, that we are a filthy, racist country Lysander.

It’s a win-win for the Industry on this.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 5:57 pm

Aboriginal children were banned from going to school after Grade 6. Anybody heard of that one?
No, but it might be true.
Until 1964 in Qld, Grade 8 was at Primary School.
To advance to High School, the Scholarship Examination had to be passed.
Not many passed or even attempted it.
So, that woulda been a barrier to c.98% of Aborigines.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 5:58 pm

Something seems to be up in the criminal underworld of Perth:

WA Police investigate suspected High Wycombe homicide after man found dead in Perth’s east

The man’s body was discovered in front of a home on Kalamunda Road
Police say he died after a suspected assault
But they do not believe there is any threat to the community

Man found dead, two people injured at Tuart Hill home in Perth, homicide investigation launched

Police were called to a property on Royal Street just after 10am
One man died at the scene while two others were injured
A man was arrested and police say there is no threat to the community

Perhaps there’s no connection. Seems odd, though.

Vicki
Vicki
January 3, 2023 5:59 pm

Now the family are gone, Alan is downsizing.

Thank you Pogria. He certainly had some fine pieces in the main house.

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
January 3, 2023 6:00 pm

Queensland chopper tragedy.

Cause: Pilot Error
Secondary Causes: Non observance of Landing Zone Procedures/Lack of situational awareness.

IMHO

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 6:03 pm

Anyway, the Perth homicide squad will be busy as hell at the moment.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:05 pm

PCR you say? That test that isn’t a test?

Err, who told you this?

PCR is a method to get enough genetic material to perform a test.

Likely they’ll use chromatography to get a result. These are not quick tests.

IMHO you want to run serology at the same time and get three pairs of tests with the same result for each patient.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Cliff Boof says: January 3, 2023 at 6:00 pm
Queensland chopper tragedy.
Cause: Pilot Error
Secondary Causes: Non observance of Landing Zone Procedures/Lack of situational awareness.
IMHO

Quite so. They plain just ran into each other.
As Shy Ted says above, it can be quite difficult to see another helicopter, even when quite close.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:06 pm

No, but it might be true.

You too can wear white Nikes, blue tracksuits and ride the Halle Bopp comet!

Arky
January 3, 2023 6:07 pm

If someone rapes and strangles a young girl the primary question is what punishment is proportionate

..
Impalement.

Indolent
Indolent
January 3, 2023 6:07 pm

But now he’s on twitter saying the Bills player is dead because of the vaccines.
Dick head.

Or not

Hamlin is believed to have suffered cardiac arrest

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 6:13 pm

Education used to serve a purpose once, and higher education was limited to those who could benefit.
Since Aboriginal living conditions were often chaotic, in practice most aborigines wouldn’t even be educated to 6th Grade.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2023 6:14 pm

If someone rapes and strangles a young girl the primary question is what punishment is proportionate

Hanging, drawing and quartering – in public – while the mob hoot, and jeer and throw things.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:16 pm

Deterrence is an important considers but it isn’t the only consideration, be it the most important goal of punishment or not.

In death penalty states, where it is applied for child abuse, abused children are then more likely to be murdered.

Also as the administration of CP is very costly, the loss of resources to police technical ability or prosecutorial staff numbers generally outweighs the extra deterrence of CP over life sentences.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 6:18 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

January 3, 2023 at 5:42 pm

The Idaho murder suspect looks a lot like Ted Bundy.

Ted’s dead, baby.
Ted’s dead.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 3, 2023 6:18 pm

You too can wear white Nikes, blue tracksuits and ride the Halle Bopp comet

As long as you lose a couple of stone (s)

Looking at a minesite today who named one of their pits Halle bopp (they have a comet theme with their pits).
Im guessing they dont have a link to the cult.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 6:21 pm

Who decides what retribution entails. If it’s the victims family you’d be surprised most would choose longer sentencing over capital punishment.
Online bombastic comments can cathartic but at the end of the day not many will push the button themselves.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:22 pm

Not yet, but drinking punch can be a lot of fun.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 6:22 pm

… the loss of resources to police technical ability or prosecutorial staff numbers generally outweighs the extra deterrence of CP over life sentences.

You’re saying that Police Informers are usually pederasts and Hanging them culls the Stool Pigeon demographic?
Okay, have it your way.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 6:25 pm

Cliff Boof says: January 3, 2023 at 6:00 pm
Queensland chopper tragedy.
Cause: Pilot Error
Secondary Causes: Non observance of Landing Zone Procedures/Lack of situational awareness.
IMHO

Let’s see what the tin-kickers say but, sadly, it looks that way.
I don’t know what the LZ procedures are, but the aircraft were flying in opposite directions.
I doubt good procedures would allow that. As I said earlier, I would expect all departures and landings to be conducted into wind, with some sort of circuit pattern in place.

Arky
January 3, 2023 6:28 pm

Libertarians- sickeningly soft on violent deviant criminals. What a surprise.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 6:28 pm

In death penalty states, where it is applied for child abuse, abused children are then more likely to be murdered.

On the other hand, there are serial killers that have been incarcerated for rape and subsequently decided that the sure way to avoid it in future is to leave no witnesses.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 6:31 pm

callisays:
January 3, 2023 at 5:51 pm
Yay – I am of some use to the World!

Me too! Bow down, minions!

Oh no Calli!
the vertically challenged are the minions. 🙂

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 6:31 pm

I was at a large Mensa meeting in my innocent youth, and the subject of crime and punishment was being discussed. A quiet speaking Jewish gentleman stood and said he thought retribution was an important element of punishment. He was shouted down by the majority who were outraged by the very idea, and called for rehabilitation as the primary goal.

It taught me early that IQ and a moral sense, or any other sense, don’t have any connection with each other.

Arky
January 3, 2023 6:32 pm

bespoke says:
January 3, 2023 at 6:21 pm
Who decides what retribution entails. If it’s the victims family you’d be surprised most would choose longer sentencing over capital punishment

..
I don’t understand that Bespoke.
Why should some of these most heinous individuals get to continue to destroy lives, even if it’s only those of fellow inmates?
Not everyone in prison deserves to be predated by these characters.
Who are you trying to be fair to?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 6:32 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 3, 2023 at 5:57 pm
Aboriginal children were banned from going to school after Grade 6. Anybody heard of that one?
No, but it might be true.
Until 1964 in Qld, Grade 8 was at Primary School.
To advance to High School, the Scholarship Examination had to be passed.
Not many passed or even attempted it.
So, that woulda been a barrier to c.98% of Aborigines.

A barrier is not a ban.

There was an aborigine in my class through the first two years of high school, in Queensland.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
January 3, 2023 6:33 pm

On the other hand, there are serial killers that have been incarcerated for rape and subsequently decided that the sure way to avoid it in future is to leave no witnesses.

Yes, it seems that people who are willing to commit terrible acts are the first to learn that corpses cannot make accusations.

People who have a so called conscience never seem to learn this…

Also, capital punishment saves a lot to taxpayer money

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:37 pm

That’s true Frank and there is no real argument against executing the most egregious of murderers.

The flip side (as we are talking about the US) is that the cops have a massive excessive force problem.

See if you can find a video of the Tucson cop shooting a wheelchair bound guy back in 2021.

Yes he was armed (knife) but he was shot nine times in the back.

He got executed for armed robbery of a tool box. He was pursued and dumped the tool box. It is a sad and ridiculous story.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 6:37 pm

Capital Punishment is not a deterrent. It is exactly what it states, Punishment. If you commit a heinous murder, child molestation and more, you forfeit your right to live. You will never be any use to society.
We put down dogs that attack people. I fail to see any difference.
Old Testament Eye for an Eye.

johanna
johanna
January 3, 2023 6:37 pm

Fitzroy Falls. Beautiful part of the world.

(calli)

Indeed it is. There is a belt of rainforest through southern NSW, starting in the Royal National Park, that is absolutely beautiful.

Try Sir Bertram Stevens Drive where you drive through a grotto of ferns and mosses and lichens. Gorgeous.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 6:39 pm

callisays:

January 3, 2023 at 5:50 pm

Was it from diagnosis?
Or announcement?

Quite so. Some people are very quiet about these things and need to deal with them in private before going public.

Add to that a promoter keen not to put a crimp in ticket sales and you get no disclosure until the last minute.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 6:39 pm

Looking at a minesite today

Hehe, Comet Resources!
Ancient Bruceish history.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 6:40 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 3, 2023 at 6:22 pm
… the loss of resources to police technical ability or prosecutorial staff numbers generally outweighs the extra deterrence of CP over life sentences.

You’re saying that Police Informers are usually pederasts and Hanging them culls the Stool Pigeon demographic?
Okay, have it your way.

Richard Cranium (living up to your name).

How you got from Dot’s comment to your conclusion us a mystery for the ages.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2023 6:41 pm

I was at a large Mensa meeting in my innocent youth …

I feel a lot better about my attendance at the Dalkeith Young Liberals meeting at Steves now. I always resolved to join more stuff at Uni until I was reminded why I don’t join stuff in the first place.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:41 pm

Keep in mind we have majority jury verdicts and very weak double jeopardy protections in Australia.

You should be very careful what you wish for.

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2023 6:42 pm

DrBeauGansays:
January 3, 2023 at 6:31 pm
I was at a large Mensa meeting in my innocent youth, and the subject of crime and punishment was being discussed. A quiet speaking Jewish gentleman stood and said he thought retribution was an important element of punishment. He was shouted down by the majority who were outraged by the very idea, and called for rehabilitation as the primary goal.

It taught me early that IQ and a moral sense, or any other sense, don’t have any connection with each other.

Dr BeauGan,
I think it was you who wrote earlier in this thread about not joining clubs etc. I have always subscribed to Groucho Marx’ thoughts on joining clubs. “I would never join a club that would have me as a member”.
How long did you stay in Mensa? If it’s not too personal a question.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 6:42 pm

Who decides what retribution entails. If it’s the victims family you’d be surprised most would choose longer sentencing over capital punishment.

That is my experience, bespoke. But not everyone will agree. Nothing like seeing the judgement “Never to be Released”, but it never fills the void.

Indolent
Indolent
January 3, 2023 6:43 pm
Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:45 pm

Ray Epps and the Whitmer entrapment nonsense really puts a downer on trusting the government.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I would expect all departures and landings to be conducted into wind, with some sort of circuit pattern in place.

It is helipad, dude.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 6:48 pm

I think bespoke’s comment was a “hypothetical”, Dover. We know we don’t decide, that’s for the courts. Sometimes they get it right, often they get it wrong.

Indolent
Indolent
January 3, 2023 6:50 pm
Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 6:50 pm

Old Testament Eye for an Eye.
Can you point out chapter and verse?
Course not, because it was in the Hammurabic Code, nothing to do with the O.T.
As a matter of fact, there were Cities for Murderers in the O.T., in other words, prisons.

Arky
January 3, 2023 6:51 pm

Having capital punishment as the ultimate sanction raises the sentencing threshold for all other crimes.
Given that almost all of these characters have previous convictions for stuff like animal cruelty, arson and assaults, many of them would never have been free to kill in the first place if appropriate sentences were in place.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 6:51 pm

Look Arky, My wife I has discussed this very topic with other families since owe kid got murdered and she works to get longer more consistent centencing. So step beck with the innuendo that I have sympathy for murders and rapists.

Then we will talk.
I also share a similar childhood experience as you.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 6:53 pm

How long did you stay in Mensa? If it’s not too personal a question.

A few years. I thought it might be a good way of meeting girls. It wasn’t. But you have to try these things.

I think the ten commandments and the Christian teachings work fairly well because they reflect an understanding of human nature. Most men have a powerful instinct to protect women and children, I know I do, and if some thing that looks like a man but isn’t human violates that, then destroying it is an innate need, and frustrating it with do-goodery is bad for everyone.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 3, 2023 6:53 pm

Plus I learnt a new word “Welp”

Sure you aren’t confusing that with ‘whelp’, which is a contemptuous word for pups (think the offspring of mongrels rather than dogs.

By extension it is the verb for mutts giving birth to their mutt babies. And through imagery refers to the worthless offspring of humans.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 6:54 pm

BREAKING: Attorney for Ray Epps Was FBI Agent For 9 Years

I suspect that John Sullivan and his 226 Antifa orcs were a bigger infiltration than Epps and whoever other glowies he was with. Sullivan was the guy who tried to sell for $90k the footage of Ashli Babbitt dying. He was hooked in to Antifa and almost certainly on payroll. So far I haven’t seen the Republicans pursue this line of inquiry. They should.

But Epps will do just fine to start with.

Adam Kinzinger Lies About Ray Epps Again, and We Should Probably Figure Out Why (1 Jan)

Mr Epps would glow like a firefly, if you ever got him in darkness.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 6:54 pm

Courts shouldn’t be jailing people if the State won’t guarantee to protect them in jail.
It’s not the law that someone gets punished twice.

Rabz
January 3, 2023 6:54 pm

he was shot nine times in the back. He got executed for armed robbery of a tool box. He was pursued and dumped the tool box. It is a sad and ridiculous story.

One of the most horrifying stories I’ve ever read about US law enforcement imbeciles involved some poor wally who was walking back to his car after leaving a shopping mall, who was arrested and later subjected to numerous medical probes of his fundament because the braindead cops thought “he was walkin’ funny, like, he had some illicit substances jammed up his backside”.

Sad and ridiculous stories, come on down … 😕

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 6:57 pm

We do, everyday, via the legislative and judicial process. It’s not up to the victim or their family to determine what justice entails.

Oh thanks.
Chuckle!

Arky
January 3, 2023 6:57 pm

bespoke says:
January 3, 2023 at 6:51 pm

..
I understand that.
I’m just responding to your comment and asking you to flesh out your reasoning.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 6:57 pm

Dunno what it was like in the past, but today Mensa membership is a highly predictive intelligence test. If you’re a Mensa member, you’re stupid.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2023 6:59 pm

Given that almost all of these characters have previous convictions for stuff like animal cruelty, arson and assaults, many of them would never have been free to kill in the first place if appropriate sentences were in place.
There’s one fact that can’t be wished away.
Most serious criminals are homosexuals and/or pederasts
Mainstream these people and you mainstream serious crimes against the person.
And that’s what’s happened.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 6:59 pm

and, err, how should these cops be punished?!

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:00 pm

Not hear Arky.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2023 7:00 pm

That’s a great deal China is working on btw.
They get all the fossil fuels in exchange for all the solar panels and batteries.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:01 pm

hear

You told me this was quite impossible!

Arky
January 3, 2023 7:01 pm

bespoke says:
January 3, 2023 at 7:00 pm
Not hear Arky

..
Fair enough.
Apologies if my interpretation was off. Poorly worded.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2023 7:02 pm

At the pharmacy this afternoon, big gaps on the shelves, with signs about national shortages.
No surprises as to what is in short supply.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 7:03 pm

Apparently anyone can join Mensa – you have to jump through a few hoops but they’ll let you in. It’s not as though there’d be an enormous queue of extremely intelligent people desperate to get into such an organisation. Such people generally have far better things to do with their lives. You can imagine the kind of insufferable pseudo-intellectual pedantic dickheads that do. Dear lord.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:03 pm

I don’t believe the State has the right to end or facilitate the death of any living (or unborn) person’s life. Period.

And those that invoke the bible to justify it do so selectively.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:04 pm

All good Arky.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 7:04 pm

“Capital Punishment is not a deterrent. It is exactly what it states, Punishment. If you commit a heinous murder, child molestation and more, you forfeit your right to live. You will never be any use to society.
We put down dogs that attack people. I fail to see any difference.
Old Testament Eye for an Eye.”

I agree. We’ve demonised the whole notion of “punishment”, a concept which is important. There’s nothing wrong with punishment, you commit a heinous crime, then you face the consequences.

A few years ago, a serial killer whose name we all know died in a hospital bed, tended to the end by doctors and nurses until he gasped his last breath. This man was the epitome of evil. In death, he was accorded dignity, dignity that he denied his young victims, all of whom he lured, bashed, raped, strangled, shot and decapitated in Belanglo State Forest. To the very end this evil man refused to acknowledge his guilt, thus spitting on the families of his victims. This man should have been executed. The fact that he died in a bed in a hospital makes a mockery of our system and makes a mockery of those whose lives he destroyed with such violence.

Now we have murderers being released into the community. A life’s sentence was supposed to mean life yet it’s been whittled down, just like the left do with everything.

I’m reminded of what Doris Tate, Sharon Tate’s mother, said when she faced one of her daughter’s murderers, Tex Watson, at a parole hearing in the early 1980s…

“What mercy, sir, did you show my daughter when she was begging for her life?”

“What mercy did you show my daughter when she said, ‘Give me two weeks to have my baby, then you can kill me?”

“When will my daughter and her unborn child come up for parole?

“When will I come up for parole?”

“Are those seven victims going to walk out of their graves when you get paroled?”

I think Doris Tate said it best. The Manson murderers were originally sentenced to death, commuted when California abolished the death penalty in 1972. Despite being a woke state, the Manson murderers remain behind bars and will do so until death. Good.

If we’re not going to have capital punishment for heinous crimes, then a life sentence means a life sentence with no possibility of parole.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 7:05 pm

If you’re a Mensa member, you’re stupid.

Not stupid. Just a bit missing on what’s important. A lot of them turn out to be schoolteachers.

I distinguish between stupidity and that commitment to abstraction and lack of a sense of reality that characterises the intellectual sans intellect.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:05 pm

At the pharmacy this afternoon, big gaps on the shelves, with signs about national shortages.
No surprises as to what is in short supply.

Toilet paper?

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:07 pm

You can imagine the kind of insufferable pseudo-intellectual pedantic dickheads that do.

Chuckle!

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