Open Thread – New Year’s Weekend 2023


The Dreamer, Casper Friedrich, 1840


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Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dunno what it was like in the past, but today Mensa membership is a highly predictive intelligence test.

There were two tests.
A “culture fair” test of shapes & patterns.
The other was an English language test.

The test of shapes, patterns & so on was rather simple & straightforward.
The English language test, not so simple.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2023 7:08 pm

Capital Punishment is not a deterrent. It is exactly what it states, Punishment.

Correct.

Since the advent o fliberal thoeries of crime and punishment, we’ve long since lost sight of the satisfaction of justice (in layman’s terms, the punishment must fit the crime) as the principal purpose of the justice system.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:08 pm

Well I never thought I’d see the day I’d be quoting Gandalf…

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2023 7:09 pm

If we’re not going to have capital punishment for heinous crimes, then a life sentence means a life sentence with no possibility of parole.

There was a case in Western Australia where an individual was convicted of murder, and sentenced to hang. He was reprieved, and the sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. Released on parole, he went on to commit another murder…….

JMH
JMH
January 3, 2023 7:10 pm

Hemp was also used to make the original US jeans, if memory serves.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 7:12 pm

“Since the advent o fliberal thoeries of crime and punishment, we’ve long since lost sight of the satisfaction of justice (in layman’s terms, the punishment must fit the crime) as the principal purpose of the justice system.”

Yep.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:15 pm

Yes ZKTA, that was true.

Also true was Andrew Mallard convicted or murder and years in prison for it.

Only to be later quashed in the HC.

RIP.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 7:16 pm

I don’t believe the State has the right to end or facilitate the death of any living (or unborn) person’s life. Period.

Lysander, there are things that walk among us that are less than human. Some would destroy you without a thought. Others would casually destroy all of civilised society with not a trace of regret or remorse. You may never have met anyone like this, but they exist.

Throwing away any sense of justice for what they deserve so you can feel virtuous is extremely foolish.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 7:16 pm

Moderated comment amended…let’s see if this gets through…

Arky has a point about libertarians. The average libertarian does seem more likely to have a proclivity towards devi@nt behaviour (particularly of the type that involves min0r victims) than the average non-libertarian.

These types seem to have no filter when it comes to their creepy interest in kids. Recall the AZ Senate candidate debate – the most memorable moment was when the Libertarian candidate declared that the age of cons3nt was an example of an issue that was suited to being put to the public in the form of a referendum. That was the first thing that sprung to his mind. Fuxxing weirdo. Still, was anyone remotely surprised that it was the Libertarian coming out with this?

Arky
January 3, 2023 7:17 pm

Lysander says:
January 3, 2023 at 7:03 pm
I don’t believe the State has the right to end or facilitate the death of any living (or unborn) person’s life. Period.

..
You don’t really mean that, I think.
Otherwise all police and armed forces would have to hand in their weapons. And I’m not sure what we would do next time a fanatic started running people down in Bourke street.
What I think you mean is they don’t have the right to do so in cold blood at the end of a judicial process.

Arky
January 3, 2023 7:20 pm

Arky has a point about libertarians. The average libertarian does seem more likely to have a proclivity towards devi@nt behaviour

..
No, I don’t think they have more of that proclivity.
I think they have a greater tendency to be indifferent to it because most of them live lives that doesn’t bring them into contact with the human detritus thus produced.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2023 7:20 pm

Well I never thought I’d see the day I’d be quoting Gandalf…

I’ll see your Gandalf off with Moses…

“Whoever sheds man’s blood [unlawfully], by man (judicial government) shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God He made man.”

Genesis 9:6

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:21 pm

DrB
I don’t doubt that for a second.

But (as little as my opinion counts toward anything like this) you’re just not going to get my tacit approval to take away a person’s life. I believe in a soul and an eternal judgement and I also believe (unpopularly) that forgiveness and redemption exist – even if that means you spend your entire life in prison.

Hey, it’s not a popularity contest going on here! 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2023 7:21 pm

Toilet paper?

Panadol, ibuprofen and asprin if my observation of the Coles painkiller section this morning is relevant. It was looking decidedly stripped. (I was there to buy toothpaste, but the empty shelves caught my eye.)

Been a few articles about shortages of these pharmaceuticals recently. Not sure why it’s occurring.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:22 pm

“Meat Canyon” rips Andrew Tate.

https://youtu.be/VhgLyvP0Y5A

Brutal and somewhat disgusting.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:22 pm

The average libertarian does seem more likely to have a proclivity towards devi@nt behaviour (particularly of the type that involves min0r victims) than the average non-libertarian.

Not a libertarian but this has surpassed monty’s dumb comments of the last few day probably the last decade.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 7:22 pm

Who decides what retribution entails. If it’s the victims family you’d be surprised most would choose longer sentencing over capital punishment.

A school acquaintance of mine survived an encounter with a serial killer when she was a young girl. I saw her on TV a few years back where she made the claim to be an activist urging for the reintroduction of the death penalty. Not sure if she was for real or not but it was well played either way.

The main practical problem with executing people is having faith in the legal system.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:23 pm

Yes Arky,
you put it better than I!

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:25 pm

I’ll see your Gandalf off with Moses…

“Whoever sheds man’s blood [unlawfully], by man (judicial government) shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God He made man.”

Genesis 9:6

I’m not going to enter into a bible quoting contest Roger! I’m a Catholic… not a farking Protestant lol! 😛

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 7:26 pm

What I think you mean is they don’t have the right to do so in cold blood at the end of a judicial process

It is precisely in cold blood at the end of a judicial process that I want to see murderers hanged. Impaling one myself would have its satisfaction, but I’d be worried that I’d let the rape/ murder get to my emotions.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:27 pm

The main practical problem with executing people is having faith in the legal system.

It is. How much “faith” would you have in, say, Victorian Police holding you for some crime against children? I think the check of a High Court helps because it is currently in a fairly good state (but this hasn’t always been the case and may not always be).

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 7:28 pm

“You can imagine the kind of insufferable pseudo-intellectual pedantic dickheads that do.”

It is the same as the gay marriage thing. At least this way there will be a centralised register of names and addresses so that one day in the future, when we find a cure, we can round them all up easily.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 7:28 pm

Been a few articles about shortages of these pharmaceuticals recently. Not sure why it’s occurring.

Daigu. It’s profitable.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:29 pm

Sure! DrBG.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 7:30 pm

johannasays:
January 3, 2023 at 6:37 pm
Fitzroy Falls. Beautiful part of the world.

(calli)

Indeed it is. There is a belt of rainforest through southern NSW, starting in the Royal National Park, that is absolutely beautiful.

Try Sir Bertram Stevens Drive where you drive through a grotto of ferns and mosses and lichens. Gorgeous.

Also the last bit of the King’s Highway, between the bottom of Clyde Mountain and Bareman’s Bay.

Indolent
Indolent
January 3, 2023 7:31 pm
Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2023 7:33 pm

Perhaps my opposition to capital punishment is one of the last remaining moronic vestiges from my time as a raving Trotskyist (but am pretty sure he was into public hangin’s)?

Either way, have a good night.

And if you’ve never seen this, it’s great – a law professor who is a Defence lawyer explaining why you should, under NO circumstances at all, EVER talk to the police (he really is, amazing!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=1000s

I love his line: “They say ‘anything you say may be used against you’ for a reason!!!”

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 7:33 pm

I consider the perpetrator I have in mind. The one never to be released. No remorse, no contrition.

Every morning he wakes up, goes about his prison routine…another day, just like the one before. He drags his useless carcass through the hours. No hope, no reprieve, just existence. Lights out. Rinse and repeat.

One day he will draw his final breath, unlamented, and be buried in a prison grave.

I am content.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 7:34 pm

To be clear here.
We aren’t talking about capital punishment as retribution or punishment, or questions of whether the punishment should fit the crime.
Bobbie Sewell raised the proposition of randomly selecting one in ten of recidivist criminals for execution as a deterrent to others, irrespective of crimes committed.
So, theoretically, we could have someone with two convictions for car theft pooled with, say, the Skaf brothers, the Anita Cobby murderers and other assorted serious crooks.
The car thief gets the noose and the others not.
Time for the hall of mirrors, Bobby.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 7:34 pm

The main practical problem with executing people is having faith in the legal system.

True, and I’m not big on faith in anything, but particularly not government. On the other hand, you have to do the best with what you’ve got. It’s an imperfect world, we try to make it a little better.

The occasional blunder has to be balanced against the risk of letting monsters walk free.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 7:35 pm

“But (as little as my opinion counts toward anything like this) you’re just not going to get my tacit approval to take away a person’s life. I believe in a soul and an eternal judgement and I also believe (unpopularly) that forgiveness and redemption exist – even if that means you spend your entire life in prison.”

What about war?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 7:38 pm

Oh come onsays:
January 3, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Dunno what it was like in the past, but today Mensa membership is a highly predictive intelligence test. If you’re a Mensa member, you’re stupid.

The difference between being intelligent and being smart. Intelligent people know that a tomato is a fruit. Smart people know that you don’t put tomato in fruit salad. Mensa people love tomato in their fruit salad.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:39 pm

Oh come on says:
January 3, 2023 at 7:16 pm
Moderated comment amended…let’s see if this gets through…

Arky has a point about libertarians. The average libertarian does seem more likely to have a proclivity towards devi@nt behaviour (particularly of the type that involves min0r victims) than the average non-libertarian.

These types seem to have no filter when it comes to their creepy interest in kids. Recall the AZ Senate candidate debate – the most memorable moment was when the Libertarian candidate declared that the age of cons3nt was an example of an issue that was suited to being put to the public in the form of a referendum. That was the first thing that sprung to his mind. Fuxxing weirdo. Still, was anyone remotely surprised that it was the Libertarian coming out with this?

This doesn’t make any sense, it is an angry rant looking for a target.

I don’t follow how having the age of consent up to referenda is “creepy”.

If you believe in the wisdom of crowds, you get the right answer.

If it is the wrong answer, the population of the state is perverted.

“Libertarians are never victims of crimes and grew up in safety”

Of course that is nonsense, but it is amazing what good parents and a right to (or a conviction that we have such a right) self defence does.*

Actual convicted perverts in US politics for example are John Wayne Gacy (D) and Dennis Hastert (R).

*Technically I have been assaulted and sexually assaulted many times, but I have had property crimes committed against myself. I personally know three people who have been falsely accused of abuse or intimate assault. Who knew justice offences were so common?

Arky
January 3, 2023 7:39 pm

calli says:
January 3, 2023 at 7:33 pm
Every morning he wakes up, goes about his prison routine…another day, just like the one before. He drags his useless carcass through the hours. No hope, no reprieve, just existence. Lights out. Rinse and repeat

..
An alternative possibility:
Every morning he wakes up, plays mind games with his guards, enjoys breakfast, either roots his prison boyfriend or alternatively assaults someone inside younger and weaker than him, and goes to bed to sleep soundly reliving the joy he gained from the crimes he committed, free to replay them in his head any time he wants to.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 3, 2023 7:39 pm

Apparently anyone can join Mensa – you have to jump through a few hoops but they’ll let you in.

Not claiming any especial insight into how Mensa operates, but the above requires that the people who attained status the old fashioned way (being really smart) have been pushed out of the frame by a new tick-a-box class.

Absolutely it can happen (anyone seen a Liberal party member who cares about freedom of late?) but it is not a given.

Did something happen? Were they always skewed politically so the same people under the old definition of ‘Mensa material’ were covered by the new one? Was it flawed already (e.g. estimating people believing in solutions from above such as statists would cleave to as being smart while those trusting the wisdom of the the chaos of millions of individual choices as dumb)?

At one point they were really smart, yeh? How did the change (if there was one) happen?

Honest question.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:40 pm

the proposition of randomly selecting one in ten of recidivist criminals for execution as a deterrent to others, irrespective of crimes committed

Arguably that has always happened and is still happening.

As soon as the population knows it happens then the deterrence effect goes and the worst criminals thrive in safety.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 7:41 pm

The occasional blunder has to be balanced against the risk of letting monsters walk free.

That old saw, better that nine guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail. An algorithm that guarantees nine victims get no justice and one victim gets false justice.

The best take I ever heard was “avoid the criminal justice system, there’s no winners in there”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2023 7:42 pm

Lysandersays:
January 3, 2023 at 7:03 pm
I don’t believe the State has the right to end or facilitate the death of any living (or unborn) person’s life. Period.

And those that invoke the bible to justify it do so selectively.

Indeed. The full quote is “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Vengeance is mine. I shall repay, thus saith the Lord“.

The last four words tend to be omitted.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 7:42 pm

should be: rather than one victim gets false justice.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:44 pm

…and one innocent man gets killed or falsely tried.

What does he owe to the nine victims?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:45 pm

Boambee

It’s like the kids who watch the first half of Pulp Fiction, but never watch how it ends.

“I’m trying real hard, Jules”

Zipster
January 3, 2023 7:46 pm

At the pharmacy this afternoon, big gaps on the shelves, with signs about national shortages.
No surprises as to what is in short supply.

It’s deja vue all over again

– yogi berra

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
January 3, 2023 7:46 pm

I reckon Luigi is just hoping Kevin will keep the FM too busy to start trying to hog the limelight.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 7:49 pm

“avoid the criminal justice system, there’s no winners in there””

Yeah, just ask Bruce Lehmann.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2023 7:50 pm

I’m not going to enter into a bible quoting contest Roger! I’m a Catholic… not a farking Protestant lol!

Last time I checked the Bible was still an inspired authority for Catholics, Lys, Pope Franics notwithstanding. 😀

But it’s not a matter of quoting verses, but noting what the verse says.

Moses, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is establishing a principle of justice and grounding it in theological terms.

That’s not to say mercy can’t be applied by the civil authorites tasked by God with meting out justice, but that it would be just that – mercy.

To be clear here. We aren’t talking about capital punishment as retribution or punishment, or questions of whether the punishment should fit the crime.

To be clear, I am doing so.

I upscrolled looking for context but don’t have the time atm as we have visitors.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 3, 2023 7:54 pm

The Idaho murder suspect looks a lot like Ted Bundy.

The plot thickens
In case you don’t know who he is.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 7:55 pm

Always a possibility, Arky. We can’t cover all the bases.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 7:56 pm

It is pretty funny how often cloud seeding gets called pseudoscience.

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/CS_Flyer_2011_web.pdf

Their study showed a 14% increase in snowfall.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 7:57 pm

The two year old heads straight to wood pile. Luckily the snakes disappeared days ago since the Mil arrived.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 7:58 pm

Lysander, there are things that walk among us that are less than human. Some would destroy you without a thought. Others would casually destroy all of civilised society with not a trace of regret or remorse. You may never have met anyone like this, but they exist.

Throwing away any sense of justice for what they deserve so you can feel virtuous is extremely foolish.

Killing these people doesn’t give them what they deserve. In fact, it is impossible to give them what they deserve. They would either be dead before the job was done AND/OR they lack the capacity to suffer in the way they caused others to suffer. For this reason, attempting giving monsters what they deserve is a futile exercise that should not be a part of the criminal justice system.

I don’t trust the State with the power to execute criminals. It is ripe for abuse. At least if someone is fitted up by the system and thrown in the clink for life, they will be able to seek justice once the corrupt institution that put them in prison has passed or been discredited. Kinda hard to do that if you’re six feet under.

Of course, the vast majority of people who would hang but for the fact it’s illegal are not these types of people. Apart from not killing them, I’m not tremendously concerned about what happens to them. I would even support a ‘dead man walking’-type sentence in which they’re not executed but are provided with the bare minimum to ensure they don’t die and are simply waiting around to die. They have habeas corpus rights (if they do indeed turn out to be one of the above prisoners) but that’s it. Zero contact with the outside world. Make it as difficult as possible for them to harm another human being. The primary aim should be to protect the rest of society – including other criminals – from them. If that means sticking them shackled and in a padded cell for the rest of their lives and feeding them through a slot in the door, fine. If a separate prison needs to be built to house this kind of person, okay – let’s build one.

I concede that capital punishment is necessary in societies that lack the resources to ensure this kind of criminal is permanently prevented from further harming society. I don’t actually have a moral issue with CP; my primary concern is that it can be used by the State to bump off its dissident members. I think an element of a ‘dead man walking’-type sentence should be summary execution of all prisoners serving this sentence in certain extraordinary circumstances – a ‘nuclear option’ that can only be exercised if the prison facility (or society at large) is about to be overrun or is facing collapse. It may transpire that such a measure would be impossible to implement reliably, but it’s something that should be investigated.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 7:59 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:

January 3, 2023 at 6:47 pm

I would expect all departures and landings to be conducted into wind, with some sort of circuit pattern in place.

It is helipad, dude.

Ah, I was waiting for the “but they’re allowed to” line.
That’s probably what one or both of pilots said.
A helipad which might have half a dozen movements a day is vastly different to the Gold Coast one having lots of potential conflict.
There used to be a concept in fixed wing flying called an “all over field” or somesuch where pilots could basically land or take off in any direction. For some reason that sort of laissez fairre approach has fallen from favour.
The point is that four people have died (likely to rise) because people were “allowed to take off and land in conflict”.
Let’s see if the tin-kickers give them the thumbs up.

m0nty
January 3, 2023 8:02 pm

I was at a large Mensa meeting in my innocent youth

How many of them were also Scientologists?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:04 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:

January 3, 2023 at 7:40 pm

Bobbie Sewell raised the proposition of randomly selecting one in ten of recidivist criminals for execution as a deterrent to others, irrespective of crimes committed.

You’re the smartest person in the room [..].
Why do you have to misrepresent & reframe?

Oh?
Let’s go to the tape.

Robert Sewell says:
January 3, 2023 at 3:36 pm

ZK2A:

We seek answers to reasonable questions; how and why did this happen? And how do we ‘”fix’’ the system to prevent this from happening again?

Something the Romans did which would have worked.
We could grab the cohort of all the prisoners pronounced guilty for a second crime and gaoled.
Hang every tenth one.
Watch the recidivism rate drop.

That’s awkward.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 3, 2023 8:04 pm

John H, the NIH and all who work within has been totally corrupted with $$$$$$$$$$ from China and big pharma. They start out with 44 cases and then admit they were mostly unwell from other things and ever decreasing percentages supposedly have SARS Cov2 in other organs and son on. But yeah, “long Convid”. Nothing they publish can be treated with anything but scepticism.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:06 pm

the people who attained status the old fashioned way (being really smart)

I don’t think these kind of people ever joined Mensa, to be honest. There are plenty of ways that very intelligent people can and do connect on the basis of them being very intelligent – they don’t need to join a club for very intelligent people for this purpose. That is something a not-very-intelligent person who wants to appear very intelligent to others would do. And behold! – you have your typical Mensa member.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 8:09 pm

I don’t trust the State with the power to execute criminals.

I don’t trust the state, full stop. But I can’t stop it imprisoning me for general dissidence if it decides to, and we seem to be headed in that direction. While it still has a faint smack of credibility, I’d like a judicial system which can at least take down the worst of the monsters. Little girls would be safer.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:13 pm

I don’t follow how having the age of consent up to referenda is “creepy”.

Did you watch the debate in question? If you did, you’d understand why it was creepy. Out of all of the things one could raise as an example of a policy setting that ought to be subject to a referendum, why proffer the age of consent? It was weird. And yes, creepy. And so, so typical of a Libertarian candidate.

Again, lots of good libertarians and Libertarians out there who I’d happily break bread with. But there is that openly creepy fringe…

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:14 pm

And so, so typical of a Libertarian candidate.

Strawman alert.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 3, 2023 8:15 pm

There used to be a concept in fixed wing flying called an “all over field” or somesuch where pilots could basically land or take off in any direction.
There were rules for all over fields. They were expected to takeoff and land directly into wind. Taxi around the boundary to get to takeoff position. Turn left when landing run finished. Land to the right of another aircraft that just landed. It wasn’t actually a free for all.
As aircraft got heavier they needed prepared runways, not just grass. An all over concrete field would be vastly expensive so runways were invented along with nuisances such as cross wind takeoffs and landings.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 8:16 pm

Shy Tedsays:
January 3, 2023 at 8:04 pm
John H, the NIH and all who work within has been totally corrupted with $$$$$$$$$$ from China and big pharma. They start out with 44 cases and then admit they were mostly unwell from other things and ever decreasing percentages supposedly have SARS Cov2 in other organs and son on. But yeah, “long Convid”. Nothing they publish can be treated with anything but scepticism.

There is a distinction between scepticism and cynicism. Long COVID reports don’t surprise me and I suspect both malingering and nocebo to be in those numbers but that doesn’t mean long COVID isn’t a thing because it has obvious antecedents.

Hyperbole much? “Totally corrupted”. What are we do then do? See a naturopath? Refuse all prescription drugs? I’m big on that. The only drug I take is baclofen. It is used to treat muscle spasms but I stumbled upon an unusual benefit from the drug. It’s cheap and works a treat. However, only a fool would refuse some of the benefits of modern medicine, of which so many have been subject to FDA approval.

bespoke
bespoke
January 3, 2023 8:16 pm

Again, lots of good libertarians and Libertarians out there who I’d happily break bread with. But there is that openly creepy fringe…

Fare enough

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:17 pm

The reality is, if you are rich, you will not face the same legal system as a poor person will.
Meaning some murderers are more equal than others.
I suggest this inequity is addressed before contemplating re-introducing capital punishment.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 8:18 pm

either roots his prison boyfriend or alternatively assaults someone inside younger and weaker than him,

You shouldn’t say “roots”. It’s a rude word. Nearly as bad as phux. You should say ” makes love to.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:19 pm

When the surviving Gold Coast helo pilot is interviewed by the ATSB as to why the two aircraft ended up in conflict during respective landing and take-off phases, I do hope he has a better answer than “It’s a helipad, dude.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:22 pm

However, only a fool would refuse some of the benefits of modern medicine, of which so many have been subject to FDA approval.

Today I learned that NARCAN (whatever it’s original name was) was discovered in the 1960’s.
Makes you wonder how a response to opioids was available well before there was an opioid epidemic.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:23 pm

I’d like a judicial system which can at least take down the worst of the monsters.

I reckon we can get there without hanging the monsters. It should be assumed that agents of the State will, sooner or later, seek to deal with the kinds of people who threaten the positions of these agents of the State in the way we would want the State to deal with the kinds of people you’re talking about.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 8:23 pm

Out of all of the things one could raise as an example of a policy setting that ought to be subject to a referendum, why proffer the age of consent? It was weird. And yes, creepy. And so, so typical of a Libertarian candidate.

This is just snide and unnecessary.

A good reason is powerful people are connected to Epstein and so on and are more sympathetic to fringe groups. The UK government in 1977 and 1981 funded “PIE” through the NCCL. Legislatures are also liable to rubber stamp legislation written for them.

You’re actually totally wrong about the practical reality of this, the fringe groups have no chance of infiltrating the entire electorate.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 8:24 pm

I don’t follow how having the age of consent up to referenda is “creepy”.

Like lowering the voting age. Obviously if they can vote it is OK to diddle them too.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 8:26 pm

Yes Frank, now explain how the entire electorate is going to approve of sicko stuff unless it is 50% + 1 electors full of sickos.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 8:26 pm

feelthebernsays:
January 3, 2023 at 8:22 pm
However, only a fool would refuse some of the benefits of modern medicine, of which so many have been subject to FDA approval.

Today I learned that NARCAN (whatever it’s original name was) was discovered in the 1960’s.
Makes you wonder how a response to opioids was available well before there was an opioid epidemic.

The opioid epidemic was started by Big Pharma. Purdue, Sackler family. That raises an interesting case for capital punishment.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:28 pm

If you’re a wealthy person in the US, the raping of children is protected by the state.
Maxwell’s black book should be a public document but the DOJ has ensured it will never see the light of day.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:31 pm

This is just snide and unnecessary.

Did you watch the debate I mentioned? I’m sure you can find the part where he dropped the line about the age of consent. It was a true wtf moment.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:33 pm

The Libertarian Party has a lot of problems and has been this way for decades. The Mises Caucus takeover is long overdue and will hopefully drive out the creeps and weirdos.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

There used to be a concept in fixed wing flying called an “all over field”

Fixed wing.
Number of fixed wing aircraft involved in the SeaWorld helicopter collision: Zero.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 8:35 pm

Yes Frank, now explain how the entire electorate is going to approve of sicko stuff unless it is 50% + 1 electors full of sickos.

Not sure that is how it works. Everything is expressed in terms of tolerance, diversity and anti bigotry and any deviance from the company line is ruthlessly chased down. That is from the top. You don’t need to have a nation of sick bastards to get it, just a nation of polite well meaning people as well as a lot of cowards. SSM (regardless of the rights or wrongs of that issue) was the template for how it gets done.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 3, 2023 8:35 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:35 pm

John Lyons scoop re Assange being returned to Australia should be taken with a grain of salt.
Keep in mind that Lyons was the fellow who broke the story that Tony Abbott wanted Australia to unilaterally intervene in Syria even though he’d previously made his “baddies v baddies” comments.

Entropy
Entropy
January 3, 2023 8:35 pm

Pretty sure a landing aircraft has right of way.
What happened I would hazard to guess is neither saw the other.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:36 pm

The point about “all over fields” is that eventually they disappeared for a number of reasons. Yes, they were not a total free-for-all but the potential for confusion and traffic conflict was greater.
The point is that a helipad might be considered a bit like that. Approach and depart in any direction depending on conditions. But the onus is still on pilots to ensure situational awareness and separation. These guys were from the same company flying the same routine in and out of a busy pad, so how hard would it be to set up a simple pattern to reduce conflict (depending on wind conditions)?
Something like (lets say tour area is North East of the helipad) … “returning traffic overfly X (directly North of pad) and land to the South. Departing traffic take off to the South, climb to 500′ then turn left and fly to viewing area”.
Simples.
Why didn’t it happen?
Because the departure procedure steals 2-3 minutes from the viewing time at the sight-seeing location.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 3, 2023 8:39 pm

Dr @ 8:18.

Or drills for vegemite.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:39 pm

And if Assange is returned to Australia, why can’t he get on a plane to wherever he wants to again (visa dependent of course).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:39 pm

There used to be a concept in fixed wing flying called an “all over field”

Fixed wing.
Number of fixed wing aircraft involved in the SeaWorld helicopter collision: Zero.

Used as an illustration.
An example to explain it to people who say, despite the deaths of four people, “but they were allowed to”.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 8:39 pm

Not sure that is how it works. Everything is expressed in terms of tolerance, diversity and anti bigotry and any deviance from the company line is ruthlessly chased down. That is from the top. You don’t need to have a nation of sick bastards to get it, just a nation of polite well meaning people as well as a lot of cowards. SSM (regardless of the rights or wrongs of that issue) was the template for how it gets done.

If you can’t trust direct democracy or representative democracy, your options are limited to sortition or anarchy.

Good to see we are moving in the right direction.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:40 pm

Out, out! with all of the Libertarian Party creeps and weirdos! Their arguments about the morality of child prostitution to alleviate poverty are not welcome.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 3, 2023 8:41 pm

Today I learned that NARCAN (whatever it’s original name was)

Naloxone Hydrochloride, it was common use even in the 1980’s for heroin overdoses.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

An example to explain it to people who say, despite the deaths of four people, “but they were allowed to”.

Who has said that?

There’s nothing so amusing as a fixed wing jock pretending they know about helicopter stuff.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 8:43 pm

Many here have expressed the view that they don’t trust the State. Covid and the response on many levels has reinforced that. I agree. I trust the State as far as I could kick it.

Yet some are keen to trust the State with execution of felons. I don’t know what to make of it.

Arky
January 3, 2023 8:43 pm

DrBeauGan says:
January 3, 2023 at 7:34 pm
The occasional blunder has to be balanced against the risk of letting monsters walk free.

..
What if you execute a giant black man who can cure cancer by sucking swarms of black fly things out of the afflicted?

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 8:43 pm

Shy Tedsays:
January 3, 2023 at 8:35 pm
Yeah, John H, it’s all on the level

Straw man Ted. I just posted the Purdue\Sackler disgrace that was approved by the FDA. I’ve read many studies on the corruption problem in biomedicine. P hacking, bottom file drawer, positive sample selection, small Ns, etc. What you reference has been known for decades and it is far worse than that video entails because the biggest problem is the way Big Pharma persuades doctors to use the treatments. That they are remunerated does not allow for such sweeping generalizations that permits you to dismiss anything from modern medicine as being bad. We need to specifically associate the corruption with the relevant treatment. If we don’t do that we end up being like naturopaths who use exactly the same arguments as you are to justify their existence and to demonise the entire medical profession.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 8:44 pm

Do they still do the naltrexone implants? That was big here in the nineties but haven’t heard anything about it lately.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:44 pm

Entropysays:

January 3, 2023 at 8:35 pm

Pretty sure a landing aircraft has right of way.
What happened I would hazard to guess is neither saw the other.

Correct.
You can only give way if you can see.
The point remains.
Reduce the risk of having to give way by being somewhere other than someone else’s descent path.

Zipster
January 3, 2023 8:44 pm

Yes Frank, now explain how the entire electorate is going to approve of sicko stuff unless it is 50% + 1 electors full of sickos.

You put lipstick on the pig and reframe it as a good. ie Love is love. It doesn’t hurt to brainwash kids into buying into it a younger age. Eugenics is now dying with dignity.
I prefer not to be killed by the state, thank you kindly.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 3, 2023 8:46 pm

Any further evidence of Adam Zampa’s arseholery, he tried Mankading his opponent just now. It’s the lowest of the low acts in cricket.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 8:46 pm

The Libertarian Party has a lot of problems and has been this way for decades. The Mises Caucus takeover is long overdue and will hopefully drive out the creeps and weirdos.

There is a very good chance the fringe weirdos who grab headlines are D, R or three letter agency infiltrators.

Rap Epps
Whitmer entrapment
COINTELPRO
Operation Mockingbird
CISA
TIA
Three letter agency infiltration of social media
Watergate
Epstein didn’t kill himself
Hill Knowlton
Bell Pottinger
Australian Conservative Party

When will people learn?

Arky
January 3, 2023 8:47 pm

calli says:
January 3, 2023 at 8:43 pm
Many here have expressed the view that they don’t trust the State

..
I don’t trust anyone.
I still want them to do their jobs, including those in the justice system.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 8:47 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:

January 3, 2023 at 8:42 pm

An example to explain it to people who say, despite the deaths of four people, “but they were allowed to”.

Who has said that?

Quote.
It’s a helipad, dude.

There’s nothing so amusing as a fixed wing jock pretending they know about helicopter stuff.

Probably the attitude which saw four bodies splattered on the sandbar.
The body count supports my proposition.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:47 pm

Do they still do the naltrexone implants?

There are rapid detox clinics all over the world that still use something like it.
No idea about Australia though.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It’s a helipad, dude.

You seriously believe that is a statement that they’re allowed to run into each other?
Seriously?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:51 pm

Dave Smith has clearly stated his plans for the Libertarian Party.
Develop a block that at local, state & one day far in the future, at a federal level that can horse trade over key issues.
Similar to what the Greens do here in Australia with the ALP.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:52 pm

Do they still do the naltrexone implants? That was big here in the nineties but haven’t heard anything about it lately.

I think demand dropped considerably when the meth wave hit the junkie community and most of them became methheads. Naltrexone doesn’t do anything to block the effects of amphetamines, apparently.

When I was a youngster, I lived in a share house. Next door was rented out to that Christian doctor (a good guy, by all accounts – I vaguely knew his daughter-in-law) who patented the naltrexone implant and ran the naltrexone clinic in Subiaco. It was a half way house for recovering addicts. They were, by and large, no problem. However, on one occasion, one of them dropped by to ask us if we had any speed (this is how I know naltrexone doesn’t block amphetamines). We didn’t. Worth a try, I suppose…?

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 3, 2023 8:53 pm

There is a very good chance the fringe weirdos who grab headlines are D, R or three letter agency infiltrators.

Denial won’t solve the problem, dot.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

There’s nothing so amusing as a fixed wing jock pretending they know about helicopter stuff.

Probably the attitude which saw four bodies splattered on the sandbar.
The body count supports my proposition.

You believe the accident was probably caused by a fixed wing jock speculating about helicopters?
You believe that because four people are dead, this proves that a fixed wing jock speculating about helicopters caused the accident?

Yep, you’re the smartest person in any room you enter.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 8:53 pm

It’s the truth.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 8:54 pm

Stuck in Tennant Creek, after 1000km. Flogged rain most of the way to Katherine, then lightened up a bit. Making good time. Hound in the tray.

At Attack Creek, 70km north of Tennant the engine went into ‘limp mode’ ie engine light coming on, and a message that ‘power was reduced’ (which it certainly was). Made the last 70km at 80kph. Aircon also gone, power steering still there but heavy.

Stopped the engine, waited 15 minutes and restarted straight up. Engine light still on, power seems good but steering still heavy.

I reckon it’s a chip or sensor malfunction that needs the diagnostic tool on it to recalibrate. Everything else is fine – temp, the lot.

Then I find out two of the three mechanics in town are away. If I can’t get hold of Grease Monkey 3 in the morning I’ll disconnect the battery, wait 20 minutes then reconnect to reset the EPU.

Tennant Goddamned Creek. Was going to go straight through it too.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 8:55 pm

I still want them to do their jobs, including those in the justice system.

That’s one thing. You want something else. You want the law changed to permit execution.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 8:56 pm

Apart from one dumb candidate, I have never heard lowering the age of consent from any Libertarian party candidate, member, associate or surrogate.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 8:57 pm

And it pissed rain all that last 70km as well.

500km short for the day. Still doable, as I need to be in Melbourne on Friday, but the margin for error’s cut right down. 500 tomorrow to Alice, 1500 to Gawler then 750 on Friday.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 8:58 pm

I thought you were stopping at Three Ways?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 8:58 pm

What if you execute a giant black man who can cure cancer by sucking swarms of black fly things out of the afflicted?

I’d let him live long enough to test his efficacy. Then when I’d established he was a fake, I’d have him executed. After I’d fined him for fraud.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 8:58 pm

feelthebernsays:
January 3, 2023 at 8:47 pm
Do they still do the naltrexone implants?

There are rapid detox clinics all over the world that still use something like it.
No idea about Australia though.

Most opioid addicts die in a ditch(so to speak) so there is rarely a chance to save their life with an intervention when they overdose. There is a very small time window to administer the drug and as most of their friends are also off their faces that window quickly closes.

The problem with detox is time and changing the person’s social life after detox. There is a very old study which found giving heroin addicts a few hundreds bucks and a bus out of town had a beneficial effect. That won’t work now because of internet access. Christian groups had success because they could provide an alternative social group. When the Vietnam vets returned many who had been regularly using heroin stopped once home.

There is also a biological component to addiction. That is especially relevant to amphetamines, not so much opioids.

Arky
January 3, 2023 8:59 pm

You want the law changed to permit execution.

..
Changed back.

Arky
January 3, 2023 9:01 pm

Changed back to how it was before women voters.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2023 9:01 pm

“John Lyons scoop re Assange being returned to Australia should be taken with a grain of salt.
Keep in mind that Lyons was the fellow who broke the story that Tony Abbott wanted Australia to unilaterally intervene in Syria even though he’d previously made his “baddies v baddies” comments.”

John Lyons is a despicable grub.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 9:01 pm

That’s one thing. You want something else. You want the law changed to permit execution.

Changed back.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 9:02 pm

That was the plan calli. 25km north of Tennant. However, that was also when I was going right through to Alice.

At an acquaintance’s place. Hound and I are dry now, but both knackered. See what happens.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 9:02 pm

It’s a helipad, dude.

You seriously believe that is a statement that they’re allowed to run into each other?
Seriously?

So, you tell me what you meant by the “it’s a helipad dude” comment.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 9:02 pm

Snap, arky.

calli
calli
January 3, 2023 9:04 pm

You guys aren’t making sense.

You don’t trust the state, but you will trust the state.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 9:05 pm

Hypothetical.
What standards, thresholds need to be met for the state to execute someone?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:05 pm

Zipster says:
January 3, 2023 at 8:44 pm
Yes Frank, now explain how the entire electorate is going to approve of sicko stuff unless it is 50% + 1 electors full of sickos.
You put lipstick on the pig and reframe it as a good. ie Love is love. It doesn’t hurt to brainwash kids into buying into it a younger age. Eugenics is now dying with dignity.
I prefer not to be killed by the state, thank you kindly.

What’s the alternative?

Sortition
Anarchy
Absolute hereditary monarchy
Don’t discuss issues and hope the law never changes the way you don’t want it to be?

My preference is for sortition to elect the legislature.* I would have approval voting to confirm their appointment of a Governor. I would have the executive run like a corporate board with an executive council like some US States have. They would not run the government, an appointed Premier would run government day to day – and serve an indefinite term. We could have recall elections to sack bad politicians. We could use referendums to strike down bad laws.

I would have jury nullification to keep bad laws and judges in check. Judges would be appointed too but subject to approval voting and recall elections as well.

Of course, decision making should be devolved to the lowest level, known as subsidiarity. The Federal government wouldn’t exist, we would have confederalism where the Presidency and PM positions rotate (say a 2 year tenure). Federal law could be like a treaty and the High Court could be pooled from the most senior State judges, as it in effect used to be.

*House – one five year term. They appoint the Senate on 10 year terms with half rotations.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2023 9:06 pm

A lot of them turn out to be schoolteachers.

That should set a few alarm bells ringing. I ceased spending time with teachers once no longer mandated by the State. Now I only do it informally to wind them up at parties and things.

Arky
January 3, 2023 9:06 pm

Among the various known correlates of death penalty support, one of the strongest and most persistent predictors has been respondent’s gender (Bohm, 1991, Bohm, 1999, Bohm, 2003). Men have been observed to be significantly more supportive of capital punishment than women. Bohm (1991) reported that the male-female difference in death penalty support (a mean difference of approximately twelve percentage points across the numerous Gallup polls) was greater than that observed for any other socio-demographic characteristic other than race.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

So, you tell me what you meant by the “it’s a helipad dude” comment.

Someone (perhaps an aviation expert) wrote this:

I would expect all departures and landings to be conducted into wind, with some sort of circuit pattern in place.

Explain in as many words as you need to (we’ve seen the occasional wordwall at the Cat) the practicalities of circuits for a helipad.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 9:07 pm

Speaking of putting paid to miscreants, watched a video on the brass bull yesterday. It was a pretty colourful apparatus which would lend itself nicely to being televised.

The Brazen Bull: History’s Most Awful Punishment

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:08 pm

feelthebern says:
January 3, 2023 at 8:56 pm
Apart from one dumb candidate, I have never heard lowering the age of consent from any Libertarian party candidate, member, associate or surrogate.

I know. The comment at 8:40 PM is undergraduate left wing tripe “worthy” of Honi Soit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 9:10 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 3, 2023 at 9:02 pm

That was the plan calli. 25km north of Tennant

Any truck-stop turds to report?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:11 pm

9:05 PM

How could I forget sunset clauses on legislation???

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 9:12 pm

Explain in as many words as you need to (we’ve seen the occasional wordwall at the Cat) the practicalities of circuits for a helipad.

The words were ‘sort of circuit pattern’.
As in, depart upwind when another aircraft is approaching to land.
You know, like, don’t plough into someone and kill a bunch of people.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 9:13 pm

No rogue turds to report. Yet.

Also, I managed to not throw my pants out the window.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 3, 2023 9:15 pm

Dot, last year after Dave Smith took the reigns he was on one of his regular Malice appearances talking about removing ranges of laws that shield certain officials from being pursued legally.
In a nutshell, if the state was going to participate in child mutilation, those parties should be able to be sued in the future.
Separately, the idea of suing a judge who repeatedly lets repeat violent offenders out on zero bail would certainly end the Soros DA’s current policy.

Frank
Frank
January 3, 2023 9:17 pm

What’s the alternative?

Sortition
Anarchy
Absolute hereditary monarchy
Don’t discuss issues and hope the law never changes the way you don’t want it to be?

I don’t have any solutions and not voting is something of a matter of honour at this point. Fatalism, all the hip middle age dudes are doing it man. Otherwise, if you’re lucky enough to find someone that loves you hang on to them, get a dog, children, listen to music or whatever. Wait for death. It’s a plan and it leaves you free from worries about and contamination from the sort of cretins that infest the political realm.

Arky
January 3, 2023 9:18 pm

calli says:
January 3, 2023 at 9:04 pm
You guys aren’t making sense.

You don’t trust the state, but you will trust the state

..
Do you trust the state to run an electrical grid?
If the state made it illegal for anyone else but them to run the grid, would you want to prevent them from doing so?
Just like electricity has to be distributed, men have to be executed. As the state is the only organisation that could be allowed to do so, they need start exercising their responsibility.
Meanwhile, doctors should have their ability to kill taken off them forthwith. There is something seriously arse backwards about modern society.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:19 pm

That’s okay bern.

The Republicans will run dead on this and despite mothers being the main cause for child mutilation, CINO Josh Hawley (backed by his feminist lawyer wife) will blame “men playing vidya games!” for marriages and birth rates going kaput.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:22 pm

One for Frank

https://youtu.be/DECp8LKurKs

The Slayer fans comments (fake quotes) are meme worthy gold.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 3, 2023 9:22 pm

Good to see you resisted the Fraser option KF.

Keep on trucking.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 3, 2023 9:23 pm

D ffs

Arky
January 3, 2023 9:25 pm

For sure, the state would likely screw up both electricity distribution and capital punishment, but it’s still better than these things not happening.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 3, 2023 9:26 pm

I don’t think these kind of people ever joined Mensa, to be honest. There are plenty of ways that very intelligent people can and do connect on the basis of them being very intelligent – they don’t need to join a club for very intelligent people for this purpose

I did wonder whether it was, as I sensed, skewed – to a personality type.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 9:30 pm

You guys aren’t making sense.

You don’t trust the state, but you will trust the state.

The state is not a monolithic entity with a moral sense. It’s a bunch of ppl some of whom try to do an honest job. Some of them can be predicted fairly reliably; I figure a judge in a murder trial is reasonably likely to be concerned with truth and justice and law. If the last allows him to put on a black cap and sentence a manifest monster to be hanged by the neck until dead, then I more or less trust him to do his job. If twelve members of a jury are convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the accused dunnit, I’m inclined to the view that they’re likely right. They may not be, but life doesn’t provide certainty except to fanatical lunatics.

The machinery has evolved over centuries and is the best we’ve got for the administration of justice. I trust it more than the alternatives.

This has little to do with my view of corrupt scum in the parasitic class.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:30 pm

Wow.

Tucson cop Ryan Remington executing a senior citizen from Sep. 2021.

https://youtu.be/NN-889e3n40

Nearly the whole incident. You see from the 2nd camera that the Lowes staff member was potentially in the line of fire too.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The words were ‘sort of circuit pattern’.
As in, depart upwind when another aircraft is approaching to land.

That ain’t a “circuit” & you know it.

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 3, 2023 9:32 pm

Ooooh look! As predicted, a lovely toasty warm winter in Ukraine, and we all know what that means – lots more ‘splodey weapons coming their way… Ka-BOOM!

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1610079037124124673

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 3, 2023 9:34 pm

Speaking of Ka-boom! Boy-oh-boy it’s been quite the fireworks display in certain Rascist bases lately. Carnage everywhere.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1609657637133766657

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Mother Lode says: January 3, 2023 at 9:26 pm
I did wonder whether it [Mensa] was, as I sensed, skewed – to a personality type.

That personality type is known colloquially as; “Wankers”
(This may be a generalisation)

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:38 pm

Fisk

Would I be right to say Putin is using the “Khazaria” nonsense to justify his “Ukraine is not a country” schtick?

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 3, 2023 9:44 pm

At Attack Creek, 70km north of Tennant the engine went into ‘limp mode’ ie engine light coming on, and a message that ‘power was reduced’ (which it certainly was).

Check engine oil and seals

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 3, 2023 9:46 pm

Would I be right to say Putin is using the “Khazaria” nonsense to justify his “Ukraine is not a country” schtick?

I haven’t seen the usual state propaganda channels pushing that one very much.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 9:47 pm

at 9:26 pm
I did wonder whether it [Mensa] was, as I sensed, skewed – to a personality type.

If you are interested in ideas and understanding things while surrounded by those who want only to talk about sport or soap opera, you might feel a little lonely and look for someone with less confined interests than your family or neighbours.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 9:47 pm

Dotsays:
January 3, 2023 at 9:38 pm
Fisk

Would I be right to say Putin is using the “Khazaria” nonsense to justify his “Ukraine is not a country” schtick?

It was because of all the drug addicts and Nazis DOT.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:54 pm

feelthebern says:
January 3, 2023 at 9:05 pm
Hypothetical.
What standards, thresholds need to be met for the state to execute someone?

Just IMO

Over 21 at time of crime.

Treason
Piracy
Aggravated murder
Terrorism

Proven beyond any doubt
At least two items of physical evidence that independently corroborate event (apparently this was a criminal standard for Roman criminal law but it might be apocryphal)
Death penalty must be applied for on indictment
Obviously, unanimous jury guilty verdict
Jury must approve
Judge must approve
Sound mind, lack coercion etc must be proven, along with examining prior bad actions of accusers, witnesses or informants
Automatic appeal to Court of Appeal criminal division or appellate sitting of the Full Federal Court confirming conviction and sentence, must be unanimous panel, also confirming all necessary elements
Then obviously subject to High Court appeal

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 9:56 pm

The ute hasn’t lost a drop Carpe. Seals are okay, no leaks.

Tomorrow will tell.

John H.
John H.
January 3, 2023 9:57 pm

DrBeauGansays:
January 3, 2023 at 9:47 pm
at 9:26 pm
I did wonder whether it [Mensa] was, as I sensed, skewed – to a personality type.

If you are interested in ideas and understanding things while surrounded by those who want only to talk about sport or soap opera, you might feel a little lonely and look for someone with less confined interests than your family or neighbours.

Yep, as someone who complained about the fascination with men who can throw, hit, and catch balls well I was not inclined to participate in social chitchat. If people find a group where they can discuss like interests good luck to them and that includes the fascination with … .

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 9:58 pm

No way!

We’d have to have an Amendment V and adopt the fruit of the poison tree doctrine without exception.

Probative value are fascist weasel words.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 10:10 pm

Doc

The machinery has evolved over centuries and is the best we’ve got for the administration of justice. I trust it more than the alternatives.

This has little to do with my view of corrupt scum in the parasitic class.

Really, what do you think the chances of the kid who took out those two antifa goons on 2020 would have scored anything less than a murder rap in any solid blue state? Let’s say Washington DC or Oregon? Yes, I know DC isn’t a state but just work with me.

rickw
rickw
January 3, 2023 10:13 pm

Treason
Piracy
Aggravated murder
Terrorism

Proven beyond any doubt

Thinking about Nuremberg 2.0, how would capital punishment work under this scheme? No issues with proven beyond doubt, in most instances the crimes are well documented in all types of media.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 10:17 pm

I believe you don’t have the fault element.

They did not act with intent to do so; with malice aforethought.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 10:18 pm

I am not sure you can claim reckless indifference if they think or thought there was a trade off to save human life.

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 3, 2023 10:23 pm

Did you watch the debate in question? If you did, you’d understand why it was creepy. Out of all of the things one could raise as an example of a policy setting that ought to be subject to a referendum, why proffer the age of consent? It was weird. And yes, creepy. And so, so typical of a Libertarian candidate.

Again, lots of good libertarians and Libertarians out there who I’d happily break bread with. But there is that openly creepy fringe…

I did read about this and it was very odd. The libertarian movement, at least in the US, seems to swing wildly between libertine degeneracy and the alt-right.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 3, 2023 10:24 pm

I would expect all departures and landings to be conducted into wind, with some sort of circuit pattern in place.

I am not a pilot but flew as medical crew in helicopters for 30 years. We did indeed take off and land into the wind, just like a fixed wing aircraft, and certainly flew circuits before landing at any uncontrolled LZ, eg when doing a ‘primary’ to an accident scene. I don’t recall if we *always* flew circuits landing at familar pads however.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2023 10:29 pm

Dude who can’t bench 150 lbs says young men should get off computers and porn and ask out a real woman…

https://youtu.be/4kuJ2orjRgE

He’s married to a bigshot feminist lawyer, he’s a fraud.

Sure, get married:

50% chance of divorce
Cash and prizes for divorce
Alimony sends men to the gutter or early grave (self deletion)
Women literally do not want to settle down to have kids until…42 (!) (see singer Ashanti).
(Yet the ridiculous MSM praises older mothers but belittles older fathers)
Women now have a right to mutilate children in the US against the will of the father (most of this is pushed by mothers)

He was Attorney General of a state and did nothing to help.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 10:38 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 3, 2023 at 9:13 pm

No rogue turds to report. Yet.

Also, I managed to not throw my pants out the window.

Excellent!
Did you pack a spare pair just in case … you know … number 2 vindaloo.

JC
JC
January 3, 2023 10:39 pm

The libertarian movement, at least in the US, seems to swing wildly between libertine degeneracy and the alt-right.

The UK party was eminently sensible about a decade ago, but I don’t know since.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 10:43 pm

Duk.
That sounds sensible.
I wasn’t really talking the old “upwind-crosswind-downwind-base-final” circuit.
Just some sort of logical pattern that will help separate traffic. Surely a short upwind to 500′ then a short crosswind to 1000′ then depart isn’t too complicated … even for a rotary wing chap?
I am guessing there is less conflicting traffic at the Royal Adelaide helipad than the Wally-World pad on the Goldie over Christmas too.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 3, 2023 10:43 pm

Tuesday night in Tennant, KD.

Which night is break in to places, and steal cars night?

Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
January 3, 2023 10:45 pm

KD, aircon gone and power steering heavy sounds like a belt slipping or snapped.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 10:46 pm

By the sound of it TE, every night is the night to pinch stuff. No change.

I can hear the pisswrecks in the main drag screaming from here.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2023 10:48 pm

Bill,

I will get it sorted tomorrow morning, hopefully. Belt stuff did cross my mind.

Ta.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 10:50 pm

Legally, the Gold Coast prang is going to get interesting.
What procedures did the helo company have for sightseeing ops?
Did they adhere to them?
If they had no procedures for repetitive ops from the same LZ, why not?
Was Seaworld party to operating the flights (ie did they sell tickets and promote them)?
Were there financial incentives to cram in more flights in a day?
And so much more.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2023 10:52 pm

KD, aircon gone and power steering heavy sounds like a belt slipping or snapped.

But not the one holding his trousers on, thank God.

Arky
January 3, 2023 10:52 pm

Belt stuff did cross my mind.

..
If it’s a serpentine belt it’ll be everything: water pump, alternator, aircon, steering.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 3, 2023 10:57 pm

Dot I couldn’t give a f*ck what the meja think.about older fathers or older mothers. I couldn’t give a f*ck what some dead beat germalist thinks about anything. All I know is I want the legacy meja to hurry up and die.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2023 10:58 pm

Which night is break in to places, and steal cars night?

Constitutional recognition and the “Voice” will solve all the problems, surely?

Allergy
Allergy
January 3, 2023 11:00 pm

KD – check the harmonic balancer. Had one collapse a few weeks ago with the same symptoms.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 11:02 pm

Really, what do you think the chances of the kid who took out those two antifa goons on 2020 would have scored anything less than a murder rap in any solid blue state?

You’re likely right, JC, but at least what actually happened looked like justice. Not what solid blue like or want, I agree.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Legally, the Gold Coast prang is going to get interesting.
What procedures did the helo company have for sightseeing ops?

Sightseeing joyflights was pretty much the entire reason for the company existing.
Their company ops manual (of a size to be consistent with having cost $50,000 to write) will cover joyflights in quite some detail.

Did they adhere to them?

Right up until two of them flew into each other.

If they had no procedures for repetitive ops from the same LZ, why not?

If they had no procedures for taking off & making approaches to their main base, their ops manual would never have been approved.

Not sure who they can go for over this, being as the Chief pilot is beyond reach.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 3, 2023 11:08 pm

KD – check the harmonic balancer. Had one collapse a few weeks ago with the same symptoms.

I had similar with a ‘key’ on the end of the crank in a Patrol years back – it meant the engine ran, but didnt drive the pulley attached to it, instead it just slipped – check to see that the belt is/are rotating when the engine is running, including when given a rev.

(*very* expensive repair too btw)

Zipster
January 3, 2023 11:10 pm

Migrant-fueled New Year mayhem turns Berlin into warzone
“When are we finally going to admit that we have a huge problem with young male migrants from archaic societies who don’t want to integrate? Silencing the problem means continuing to promote it.”

MatrixTransform
January 3, 2023 11:13 pm

Cadbury Chocolate down from 250g to 200g and now 180g

nice try Old Ozzie

… chocolate rations aren’t even included in the CPI basket

Gabor
Gabor
January 3, 2023 11:18 pm

Every morning he wakes up, goes about his prison routine…another day, just like the one before. He drags his useless carcass through the hours. No hope, no reprieve, just existence. Lights out. Rinse and repeat

Not saying I do or want to live like that, but there are a lot of people outside who do live just like that, AND have toil for it.

Gabor
Gabor
January 3, 2023 11:18 pm

to toil

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 11:21 pm

Not what solid blue like or want, I agree.

And our loony lefty losers are every bit as dishonest partisan scum. Look at m0nty, and his remark that Pell got off on a “technicality”. Some of the subhuman monsters are ppl like m0nty. No moral sense whatever, just rules they’ve managed to induct from examples of others of their kind.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2023 11:21 pm

Migrant-fueled New Year mayhem turns Berlin into warzone

Don’t the German cops have teargas and truncheons?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

FlyingDuk, what you describe is an orbit. Helicopters are well suited to them.
A circuit is a far more complex & entirely different procedure & are pretty much an integral part of fixed wing landings (unless they happen to fly in on the same bearing as the runway & there’s nobody else about so they just put ‘er down)

Your firm will have had a “company ops manual” detailing every last manoeuvre anybody was likely to make. Detailing how to perform this in painstaking detail (say “approaching an accident scene beside a highway”) how to do this will be detailed, possibly taking up several pages. Regardless of skill or experience, if a pilot flying for that entity then performs an approach to an accident scene in a manner differing from that in the ops manual – he is in superduper big trouble with CASA & is risking his licence.

MatrixTransform
January 3, 2023 11:26 pm

No surprises as to what is in short supply.

common sense?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2023 11:36 pm

My IGA is short of eggs. Only little ones left.

MatrixTransform
January 3, 2023 11:38 pm

At one point they were really smart, yeh? How did the change (if there was one) happen?

that’s easy
they didn’t change

but they changed the system
and its the difference between smart and cunning.

a meritocracy with over-sight delivers standards, checks and balances, and accountability … and that’s smart

to garner power, and remove those things … well, that’s cunning

why do youse reckon they all love the WEF?

John H.
John H.
January 4, 2023 12:16 am

What hasn’t natural selection eliminated mental disorders? by Dr Randolph M Nesse

Tedious at the beginning but from an evolutionary perspective he makes some interesting observations.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 4, 2023 12:19 am

Black Ball, I’m with the great Sir Don on Mankading:
“The laws of cricket make it quite clear that the non-striker must keep within his ground until the ball has been delivered.”
If the batsman is breaking the law and taking unfair advantage, he deserves to be run out.
Mankading keeps the bastard batsmen honest.

Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
January 4, 2023 12:36 am

Most likely two or more belts. fan, alternator usually on one. a/c and power steering on another. a/c dying and steering heavy but engine running cool is a big hint to check them. Also after driving through lots of wet stuff any of the myriad connectors on the wiring loom could have got water in it and is causing the derating. Possibly unrelated to the a/c power steering issue. bluetooth dongles for OBD2 ports are cheap. Pair them to your phone and you will get the basic diagnostics.
Check engine light is a generic for lots of different issues. The ECU will derate the motor so that you can get where you are going without causing any serious damage. What is the ute’s make,model and year?

rickw
rickw
January 4, 2023 12:51 am

Very cool Rolex restoration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xasm3GFL7mM

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