Open Thread – Tue 10 Jan 2023


The Siesta, Camille Pissarro, 1899


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P
P
January 11, 2023 11:14 pm

I feel privileged to have personally met with three cardinals of the Catholic church.
The first, Edward Cardinal Clancy I met in the mid 70s when he was Auxiliary Bishop of Sydney.
In 1979 I had afternoon tea with Edward Cardinal Cassidy and the parish priest. A delight. Very friendly.
Days later I had a personal conversation with James Cardinal Freeman.
(Cassidy was ordained a priest of the Archdiocese of Sydney on 23 July 1949 at St Mary’s Cathedral, Sydney, by Cardinal Gilroy. Edward Bede Clancy, like Cassidy a future cardinal, was ordained at the same time.)

I regret I was never in the presence of Cardinal Pell.

Zipster
Zipster
January 11, 2023 11:21 pm

Pizza giant to pay $53,000 to former worker after colleague stared at her breasts

the nanny state is fully woke now. everyone must behave like a true communist neuter or suffer the consequences

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 11, 2023 11:24 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 11, 2023 at 10:32 pm

Last years instalment and has all the names unlike the below final decision. I’ll let you make up your mind reading the particulars.

https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2019/1654.html?context=1;query=Della%20Rosa%20Fresh%20Foods;mask_path=au/cases/vic/VCAT

Final decision, note both now have silks. Well that escalated quickly in 3 months.

https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2023/21.html?context=1;query=Della%20Rosa%20Fresh%20Foods;mask_path=au/cases/vic/VCAT

I don’t have a high opinion of VCAT’s delegates having been through the ringer there. This one has all the hallmarks of channelling the vibe yet again as the manager tried to separate them but one party dug her heals in. I don’t however disbelieve she was allegedly being hit on. Good possibility of that.

Endstate Victoria what do you expect and I think there is well more to this than what we know.

rickw
rickw
January 11, 2023 11:29 pm

I see munty managed to do a couple of pages of idiot meets scumbag. Sick.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 11, 2023 11:44 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 11, 2023 at 10:41 pm

I trust there was a grogan hole carved into the bakery floor.

Snort, cackle.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I trust there was a grogan hole carved into the bakery floor.

I hope hands were washed after using the dunny.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 11, 2023 11:54 pm

Read another tear-jerker today from one of the rag-tag caravan who travelled to Rome for Pell’s RC testimony in 2016.
He met with victims of abuse but this bloke complained that he “didn’t keep the promises made at that meeting”.
Err, could it be because he was busy with a committal, two trials, an appeal and serving 18 months jail on trumped up charges?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 12, 2023 12:42 am

Zipster says: January 11, 2023 at 11:21 pm

Pizza giant to pay $53,000 to former worker after colleague stared at her breasts

the nanny state is fully woke now. everyone must behave like a true communist neuter or suffer the consequences

If checking out hot chicks is outlawed, then only outlaws will check out hot chicks.

(See how easy that was, I just had to change a word or two. Also haven’t read the case.)

Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:03 am

David Rowe. FMD.

Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:17 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:19 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:20 am
Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 4:21 am
bespoke
bespoke
January 12, 2023 4:29 am

Cheers Tom

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 12, 2023 4:35 am

Thanks Tom. And a belated Happy New Year.

Rowe is deranged.

Dot
Dot
January 12, 2023 5:23 am

Lysander says:
January 11, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Ta Sancho
I’d still love to launch an FOI request (for a whole 15 bucks) from Vic Pol in relation to any emails with the word “Pell” sent to Milligan…

I had a protracted two year legal battle with her on her “leave” from ABC to write the book – many Cats from around 2016/17 will recall that jeremiad – their ABC finally gave in and gave me her emails but they were so redacted (“for commercial reasons”) that I couldn’t make anything out at all…

You don’t know how much I would be willing to give up to get the ISP, phone, chat logs and app data of Penny Wong, Milligan, Dan Andrews, “Chocolate Drop”, Cain III, Ms Judd, Gillard, “Town Mode”, Dan Andrews, PRGUY17, Madgwick…Pyne, Windsor, Thorpe, Hanson Young, Berejiklian, Maguire, Hazzard, Hadley, Elliot, Speakman…

I am sure there is a government agency that can help.

bespoke
bespoke
January 12, 2023 5:35 am

You don’t know how much I would be willing to give up to get the ISP,

virginity?

Dot
Dot
January 12, 2023 5:37 am

This is serious stuff I am talking about you imbecile.

bespoke
bespoke
January 12, 2023 5:37 am

Ok

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 12, 2023 6:08 am

It has been pelting rain here in Southern England this arvo while we negotiated the M11 and the M25 horrorshows of huge trucks on five-lane motorways heading back to London from an overnite stay with friends at Saffron Waldon near Cambridge. Spray everywhere and windscreen wipers losing the battle against a curtain of water, and all in 60 mph dashes between lanes; freaky, me nerves is shattered. We are now back in Richmond, after lunching at The Fox pub at Finchinfield in front of a cute village green and single lane bridge near Great Barsfield, home of an artists’ atelier in the 40’s and 50’s. Done it all before in May, so it was deja vue. The weather is getting colder now, 8 degrees and falling.

We head out for Copenhagen tomorrow to hotel it and meet up with friends and apparently we are taking the bad weather to Denmark with us. That’s the way the wind blows. After that, Finnish Lappland for some snow. My theory about the Brits is that they are so weather-obsessed it is easy for the climate cult charlatans to turn this obsession into fear and damnation. As I’ve said on Rafe’s thread, the tentacles of this cult are everywhere expressed in all aspects of life. The BBC and all media are still spinning the looming planetary disaster as a defense against their self-imposed energy madness and economic collapse (everyone’s moaning about inflation and costs as strikes rival the 70’s pre-Thatcher in intensity).

Bluey
Bluey
January 12, 2023 6:33 am

That sexual harassments claim, I don’t know where to start. Is it going to be made illegal to look at women?

Why would an employer have a mixed workplace if this is the result? I note she was offered a transfer to a predominantly female site, and turned it down.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 12, 2023 6:35 am

What is the deal with calling Tony Windsor “hood”?

That was his nickname while a Prefect at Woodlawn College Lismore.
Strangely, his Wiki entry makes no mention of Windsor’s time at Woodlawn College, since it is a famous school.

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 6:47 am

That sexual harassments claim, I don’t know where to start. Is it going to be made illegal to look at women?

From what I could gather, it’s her word against his. I didn’t see any admission on his part that he looked at her breasts when he talked to her and nothing from witnesses. All sounds like bull and grift to me, and a payment to make the problem go away.

Interesting to see it she tries it on again, or is content with her windfall.

sfw
sfw
January 12, 2023 6:59 am

Looking at her breasts, she reported it. It may be a minor thing but reading the reports this occurred in 2017. By that time any business that received such a report and did nothing was leaving themselves wide open to a claim like this. Back in 2007 a family business on my wife’s side had a similar report. The bloke was an arrogant, up himself prick, thought he was a ladies man. Spoke to some of the other women and a few said similar things about him. Called him in for a chat, all these actions from the initial report were recorded in notes. He denied it all of course. Told him that if he did it again he would be sacked, we couldn’t sack him without more ‘counselling’ but we had to do something.

The girls said he continued to perv at them so moved him to another area with no women, he hated that place and started to come late and took a lot of sickies, bad work attitude and generally disruptive. Called him in twice more for counselling/discipline, last time told him that another report and he was finished. He swore at us and said he was quitting, cleaned out his locker and left a few minutes later, notes taken. A week later we get a claim for unfair dismissal from a solicitor. End result our solicitor advised us to pay $5k to go away, he reckoned we would ‘probably’ win at the tribunal but it would cost more than paying him off. So he got his $5k.

These are ‘no win’ situations for the employer but I’m amazed that they didn’t do anything at all.

Anchor What
Anchor What
January 12, 2023 7:15 am

Speaking of sexual matters, this from the Daily Mail:
Former RAN Admiral cops a blast for taking his girlfriend on a submarine trip and proposing!
It was a case of “my way and the Heighway”.

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 7:21 am

There’s always two sides to these things, sfw.

Years ago, there was absolutely nothing you could do about it. As a bank junior, I sat opposite a perv who was constantly ordering me to unbutton my blouse. Of course I didn’t, but he got his sick kicks by embarrassing me. I was sixteen. You couldn’t complain as the next guy up was even worse. The girls at the branch warned me never to go to the basement alone.

Counterintuitively, the tradies I rubbed shoulders with later in life were much more “gentlemanly”. Swore their heads off and rough as guts but never harassed any of the females either on site or at the office.

A nice harassment payout from the BNSW would have set me up for life, but they didn’t do that kind of thing back then. You were meant to put up with the prats.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 12, 2023 7:25 am

These are ‘no win’ situations for the employer but I’m amazed that they didn’t do anything at all.

I’m amazed that there are any employers left at all.

Pogria
Pogria
January 12, 2023 7:33 am

Calli described it perfectly. I would add that, if you went higher up and made a complaint, you were sacked.

Cassie of Sydney
January 12, 2023 7:43 am

“callisays:
January 12, 2023 at 7:21 am”

Thanks calli. Agree 100%.

johanna
johanna
January 12, 2023 7:44 am

Indeed, calli. I encountered my fair share of pervs and prats throughout my working life. As you say, when you are low on the totem pole and not experienced in the ways of the world, it can be very unpleasant and intimidating.

One creep I worked for in the 1970s would call me into his office, and then spend the next five minutes on the phone or writing, with lots of sidelong glances. After several of these episodes, I ended up just walking out, but it was a scary thing to do because he was middle management and I was nobody. It was one of those examples where you couldn’t prove anything, but the intent was clear.

While I wouldn’t be surprised (or offended) by someone checking out my boobs during a work conversation, I would be very annoyed if he focused on them and didn’t look me in the face. I don’t think many men would be happy if someone did something like that to them, either.

As for sleazebags who regard a work introduction as an excuse for a hug and a kiss – no. Just NO. I was always quick to extend my hand for a shake to avoid exactly that and them.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 12, 2023 7:50 am

Anonymity, we’re assured, protects victims and allows them to bring wrongdoers to justice.
It also allows false allegations to flourish, destroying the reputations of prominent individuals without a similar risk for the informant if the allegation is found baseless or proven false in court.
If both parties aren’t treated equally before the court then justice can’t be well served.
“J” remains unknown and untested by the public after his fantastical tale was declared not possible by the High Court
What he said happened could not have happened and yet Pell is still vilified by those who still believe this liars fiction.
There are two senior judges, the head of the DPP and Vicpol senior officers who should pray for forgiveness at Pell’s passing.
Dan Andrews can go to hell.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 12, 2023 7:51 am

‘As a bank junior’

Not wanting to age anyone, but weren’t there revolvers and such kept in banks at that time calli? Because if so, that would lend itself to a decent comeback along the lines of:

‘Ask me to unbutton my shirt again, and I’m going to tool up and put a great big hole in that tiny little cock.’

As the man said in It Ain’t Half Hot Mum, ‘they don’t like it up ‘em.’

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 7:56 am

Juniors didn’t get the guns, Knuckles.

When I became a Teller I was issued with an ancient (but well maintained) service revolver. Five rounds. We also did target practice on the roof at 341 George Street, where I acquitted myself well and was invited to join the Bank’s gun club. I declined.

By then the harassment had ceased. No one dared, for I had grown up. 😀

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 12, 2023 7:57 am

Speaking of anonymity, a couple of news sites are reporting a high profile man has been charged with r*pe but can not be named unless the case proceeds to trial.
It’s before the court in Toowoomba at this time.
Can’t remember if the allegations are current or historical in nature.

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 7:59 am

A “high profile man” who hasn’t been named?

Can’t be a conservative then.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 12, 2023 8:00 am

SFW we had a bloke that stole tools, got caught and sacked. Got 10k coz no warning. Another case concerning my mates daughter in the APS. Old bloke kept harassing her suggestively, she complained several times. They did nothing. Got a huge payout and promotion. He didn’t get sacked coz they didn’t do anything about it in the first place.

Gabor
Gabor
January 12, 2023 8:03 am

Knuckle Dragger says:
January 12, 2023 at 7:51 am

As the man said in It Ain’t Half Hot Mum, ‘they don’t like it up ‘em.’

It was corporal Jones in Dad’s Army, who said it, about the Sudanese

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 12, 2023 8:04 am

There was nothing reported about her payout of 350k if I remember right. Makes you wonder how many others are like this.

Entropy
Entropy
January 12, 2023 8:05 am

One of the women who still works for me was in a similar situation as a teenager at a bank head office in the early seventies. Never be alone in the lift with a male clerk, certainly never be caught alone in the archives. For us younger people (not that we are young anymore), it is like hearing stories of another world.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 12, 2023 8:08 am

Dad’s Army. Ah.

Wrong historical romcom.

Entropy
Entropy
January 12, 2023 8:09 am

Can’t remember if the allegations are current or historical in nature.

Apparently are claimed to have occurred in October 2021, well after the high profile Canberra claims were being vigorously aired. Either a pattern of behaviour on the behalf of he who cannot be yet named, or bandwagon. The court will decide.

shatterzzz
January 12, 2023 8:12 am

This clickbait reminds me of last year when Fairfield Council threw a free food-for-battlers pre local election gimmick .. all you had to do was roll up on a specific day & time and get a “free bag of goodies” .. the queue of high end SUVs was over 300mts long as the “needy” waited in line .. LOL! ..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/cost-of-living-workers-asking-charities-for-help/101846904

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 12, 2023 8:12 am

Former RAN Admiral cops a blast for taking his girlfriend on a submarine trip and proposing

Gives “boarding operations” a whole new look!

Dot
Dot
January 12, 2023 8:13 am

It is normal for men and women to check each other out.

Contriving situations to do so, well think about the implication.

It would be like being on a boat in the middle of nowhere.

As for telling a junior in a bank to pop their blouse, wow, I can’t imagine that happening even when I got my first casual job as a rat pulling hairs.

Spare a thought for the random security guard. Entitled, coked up, MDMAd and drunk women will grab his junk and tell him how they hate their mothers in law.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 12, 2023 8:14 am

Read an interesting note on some of these crypto scams last night.
Whether it’s in the US or Australia or wherever, any charges that the regulators bring will effectively be based upon the work of YouTubers & bloggers laying out the scams in public.
Because most of these cases will be agreed plea deals the lack of action by regulators will not get the attention it deserves.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 12, 2023 8:16 am

Calli

We also did target practice on the roof at 341 George Street, where I acquitted myself well and was invited to join the Bank’s gun club.

Imagine the screeches if that were to occur these days!

johanna
johanna
January 12, 2023 8:18 am

Louse Milligan is still at it, slandering Cardinal Pell by oblique association:

“Today, it is like a radio station in my head, and it keeps on flicking over to different stations and some of them are louder than other stations. I wish I could take the batteries out so there was silence.

“I am definitely triggered.”

Catholic child sexual abuse survivor Julie Stewart wrote these words to me on Wednesday morning just after hearing the news about the sudden death of Catholic Cardinal George Pell.

The survivors and victims and complainants of child sexual abuse in the Australian Catholic Church will not dance on the Cardinal’s grave.

For them, as Stewart says, the Cardinal’s death is a very triggering thing. A sombre occasion. A day when the vulnerable child inside them is bursting out again. A hard day.

For the rest of Australian society, even long before the child sexual abuse scandal shook the church to its foundations, Pell was an enormously polarising figure, a man of muscular and uncompromising faith whom many people found deeply inspiring, and many others found deeply repellent.

Even the past tense “was” still seems strange for a figure so huge in the life of the church and the nation. How can this man, enormous in legacy and in physical stature, be a “was”?

The responses on social and mainstream media reflect this — everything from proclaiming him a saint for our times to a celebratory “ding dong” and “good riddance”.

I received many messages from people assuming that I would be somehow glad or relieved that he was gone.

But I just felt numb. Because I thought of all the people I have come to know who I knew would be hurting, and the enormous burden of historical sadness that surrounds the man and his legacy.

Disgusting.

Pell was a great Australian, and his intellect towered over hers.

Who cares that she allegedly ‘felt numb’ about something? Another example of where the so-called ‘journalists’ make themselves the story. Great writers like Hunter S Thompson could get away with it. Pedestrian hacks ought to thank their lucky stars that they have a job.

I take it that the signal here is that TheirABC backs Louse, (is there an ‘i’ in there somewhere?) including paying out our money for her legal costs and damages awards.

In other words, a single finger to taxpayers and defenders of Pell.

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 8:20 am

Looking back now, a lot of the old bank johnnies were going nowhere deadbeats. And they knew it.

The management positions were inexorably being taken over by another type of deadbeat – the graduate. The graduate program at BNSW later Westpac had started well before I left. Smart*rses the lot of them, know nothings with attitude.

I don’t know which was worse – the hopeless sex addicts or the smarmy, superior go-getters.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 12, 2023 8:30 am

johanna

his intellect towered over hers

Does this explain the Louse’s obsession? The knowledge that Pell was effortlessly more intelligent than she could ever hope to be?

shatterzzz
January 12, 2023 8:32 am

Thinking on this “guns in banks” when did licensing for handguns come in? .. Back in 1967 when I worked in the Dept. of Air as a clerk I, always, carried a loaded handgun whilst delivering cash wages .. no one ever queried me .. I’d never had any fire arms practice/training .. it was just a fortnightly part of the job …….

shatterzzz
January 12, 2023 8:38 am

Former RAN Admiral cops a blast for taking his girlfriend on a submarine trip and proposing

Typical reaction! .. bloke, for once, uses one of our subs for a worthwhile purpose and all he gets is whingers .. LOL!

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 8:39 am

.?.? ???? ?.?.
@brixwe

Doctors said he was walking “too briskly”

one comment –

How long are people going to choose to ignore the obvious…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 8:39 am

These days, to carry a gun at work, you need to have a Cert IV in VI-Shooters.

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 8:40 am
johanna
johanna
January 12, 2023 8:42 am

calli, I must mention the career of Colin Plowman. He grew up in the country, left school at 15 or 16 to become what was called a ‘bank johnnie’ in a country town.

His job was to get there well before opening to chop wood and start the fires, wash out and refill the inkwells, and generally tidy up.

He studied at night school and eventually won a scholarship to do economics at university. He ended being Assistant Vice Chancellor at the ANU (before it became PC and covered with ugly buildings to cater to Chinese students.)

Being a ‘bank johnnie’ could be the first step into the white collar world in those days.

Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 8:44 am

For them, as Stewart says, the Cardinal’s death is a very triggering thing.

Child sexual abuse is disgraceful.

But blaming Pell for it is brain-dead stupid and mendacious and evil.

Pell did more than anyone else in the Australian Catholic hierarchy to get rid of the pedophiles who had infiltrated the church and its schools.

Nevertheless, he accepted he was the face of the church and did not even blame those who, as adults, wickedly made up stories about his transgressions — which, according to the court evidence, could not have occurred.

The High Court agreed — seven-nil.

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 8:46 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 8:46 am

Indolentsays:

January 12, 2023 at 8:39 am

.?.? ???? ?.?.
@brixwe

Doctors said he was walking “too briskly”

First things first.
Do you know if he was vaxxed?

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 12, 2023 8:47 am

Calli I imagine the bright graduates came up with foreign currency loans and nearly sent Westpac broke in the late 80s iirc.

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 8:48 am

Davos report: Cost-of-living crisis overshadows climate

The heading is incomplete. It should read “Cost of Living Crisis caused by Them”

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 8:49 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 8:57 am

callisays:
January 12, 2023 at 7:21 am
There’s always two sides to these things, sfw.

Years ago, there was absolutely nothing you could do about it. As a bank junior, I sat opposite a perv who was constantly ordering me to unbutton my blouse. Of course I didn’t, but he got his sick kicks by embarrassing me. I was sixteen. You couldn’t complain as the next guy up was even worse. The girls at the branch warned me never to go to the basement alone.

calli,

just married, moved to Melbourne to start Federal Govt Course, wife transferred to same Federal Govt Dept office she was working for, to Melbourne branch office.

She had bloke working near her, who constantly had his fly open and was making sly suggestions to the female staff – I rode my Honda Motorcycle during early Lunch break, and as a 22 year old, told the bloke off to his face in front of the other staff in the office and told his Boss, if I had any further complaints from my Wife re the Cretin, both he and the Boss would be reported to the Public Service Board.

My Wife never had any further problems.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 12, 2023 8:58 am

Maybe banks had a sort of government approval licence for people to carry guns.

Bit like the ADF – no-one every queries whether you have a ticket to carry a firearm.

Dunno about the police.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:00 am

The Fed & the Misinformation

From Armstrong Economics –

QUESTION: Marty, I was there at your Berlin conference when one of the attendees openly admitted he was from the Bundesbank. He was very open about it. There have been other central bankers at your WEC. I suppose they have to attend just to get a whiff of the trend. Powell has come out and asserted the Fed’s independence and it will not make policy based on climate change. That was very refreshing. The bulk of analysts still cry about the creation of money at the Fed are insisting that a recession is coming because when the Fed stops printing, we will see a correction worse than 2008. Some call this a confetti party. Many claim to be fed watchers, but have never stepped inside their door. Meeting the people I have at your WEC events, you are always in the center and I can see it is not your opinion but Socrates that they want to listen to for an unbiased view. So will there be a huge correction when this party is over or have the fed watches been talking sophistry with no real insight?

HD

PS: What about a Dubai WEC because the world imposes vaccine passports?

ANSWER: I know, This is the typical myopic domestic view that the Fed is in a very dangerous situation and a wrong move in any direction could cause a financial system meltdown worse than 2008. The argument is that since we have a debt-based monetary system if the Fed stops increasing the money supply this will lead to an economic withdrawal process that will be worse than 2008-2009. Once more, this is only looking at the domestic economy. They live with blinders on and do not see the world around us with respect to the globalization policies that are all in chaos.

Even at Davos in 2003, Alejandro Toledo, then President of Peru, urged the participants to listen to the voices of those protesting outside and to build a bridge with the participants of the Porto Alegre anti-globalization conference. “We must give a human face to the global economy and globalization,” he said. “Managing the economy is not an end in itself, but a means to improve the quality of life. Globalization is meaningless if it does not contribute to reducing poverty all over the world. “ Schwab preaches equality but at the price of Authoritarianism and the loss of individual rights.

The Fed is not between a rock and a hard place domestically. It just made it clear that it is not like the ECB and is not in the climate change business. The Fed is INDEPENDENT and will not be bullied by Biden. The Fed understands that it has become the world’s central bank and its actions in raising rates have had a far greater impact externally particularly in emerging markets because so many other nations issue their debt in US dollars.

The focus is not entirely on the nonsense of the domestic number of the money supply. If a foreigner buys property in the United States, they convert their currency to dollars, and in effect that increases the domestic money supply for that capital now frees up cash domestically. The Fed has no control over that aspect and central banks have become aware of this effect which is not taught in economics class and not factored into the doomsday forecasts all based on the same reasoning forever.

All the analysis is constantly based on the Quantity Theory of Money which no longer works in our global economy. That was the foundation of the money theory that emerged with Sir Thomas Gresham who was the agent for the British crown. He saw that when Henry VIII debased the coinage, the value declined in Amsterdam when the exchange rate was solely based upon the metal content of the currency.

All we have ever heard is that the Fed has the power to create money out of thin air. They never explain why the Fed was given that power. You cannot have a fixed money supply as the population increases, then you end up with DEFLATION which is the rise in the value of money. They are married to the argument and nothing you can do will deter them from that thinking process. During the Great Depression, people hoarded their money and did not spend it. That was why the ECB went to negative to try to force people to spend money in 2014. You can DOUBLE the money supply but if the people hoard it, you will never create inflation.

Because people hoard their cash, there was a huge contraction in the velocity of money during the Great Depression. This resulted in massive shortages and it led to over 200 cities issuing their own money to try to enable a local economy to still function for there was not enough cash to even pay anyone for services.

INFLATION is actually the decline in the purchasing power of the currency as measured against assets. DEFLATION is the rise in the value of money and the decline in the value of assets. The way the term “inflation” is handled today, the government puts the blame on the private sector. During DEFLATION we are blamed for not spending our money.

All this talk about bail-ins and bail-outs misses the point. They act as if they in the end really matter. HYPERINFLATION will never arrive based on increasing the money supply. It arrives with the collapse of CONFIDENCE in the government. Germany imposed a forced loan and confiscated 10% of everyone’s assets in December 1922. Germany lost the war and in 1918 there was a Communist Revolution that led to the creation of the Weimar Republic. The money supply increased 10 fold during 1922 when they were struggling to meet the reparation payments. That undermined the confidence in the government. But it was December 1922 when the Weimar Republic confiscated 10% of everyone’s assets. Note that the hyperinflation took off in 1923 after that forced loan. It was no longer safe to have assets in banks.

People were buying everything on the asset side from coins and stamps to art and land. They began to use the coins of other countries just as Japan saw when the emperors devalued the outstanding money supply to issue their own new coins.

This idea that we are headed into so black hole all because the Fed creates money is insane. This misinformation that the German Hyperinflation was all because of printing money was totally absurd and a lie. Once the government stole 10% of everyone’s assets, that was the final straw. They then had to print just to try to cover costs and meet reparation payments.

The Lesson of Germany is seriously distorted and has infected the view of money supply and inflation which ignores the actions of the government. That is the real issue.”

Megan
Megan
January 12, 2023 9:00 am

The Prince started his career as a bank teller back in the early ’60s and was given a gun which was kept underneath the counter. A fellow teller lost his job when he left the gun on the counter to answer the phone and it was nicked by an enterprising customer.

They did get basic firing practice in some underground range under Spencer St station, I believe. Still, knowing the Prince’s technical abilities as I do it is a truly terrifying thought to think of him armed with a loaded weapon.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:02 am

Chief Nerd
@TheChiefNerd

Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel Announces New mRNA Shot to Treat Heart Failure Patients

“We are now in a super exciting program where we inject mRNA in people’s heart after a heart attack to grow back new blood vessels and re-vascularize the heart”

Dr Frankenstein is here. Next patient please……………………

Indolent
Indolent
January 12, 2023 9:03 am
Jorge
Jorge
January 12, 2023 9:04 am

Dan Andrews can go to hell.

Haven’t heard a peep from him. Has he issued any statement ? His silence speaks volumes as it’s meant to. It’s a kind of assassination by stealth. Despicable, weak and gutless, that’s how the slimy party of slug planters works.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 9:05 am

If anyone with OZ access can post the 2 articles by Tony Abbott & The Australian Editorial on Cardinal Pell in today’s OZ, would greatly appreciated.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 9:05 am

Wait!
What?
It’s still the final day to save the Daily Exposé?
Wasn’t that last Monday?
Oh, and in case you were wondering, Martin Armstrong is also still a convicted con-man.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 9:07 am

Jorgesays:
January 12, 2023 at 9:04 am
Dan Andrews can go to hell.

Summed up by Spooner Cartoon today – Thanks Tom

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:15 am

Oh, and in case you were wondering, Martin Armstrong is also still a convicted con-man.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. You are just like a broken record. Click, click, click and click to infinity……..

Just go and play in the traffic…………………..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 9:17 am

Dr Tim Goyetche?
Is that the Founder of The Goyetche Institute?
Homeopath, Kinesiologist, Herbalist and Nutrionalist.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 12, 2023 9:25 am

Bishops Little and Mulkearns, the actual priest shufflers, get away from censor and it falls on Pell’s broad shoulders.
He wouldn’t have had it any other way I suspect.

Tom
Tom
January 12, 2023 9:32 am

George Pell, Lindy Chamberlain: Injustices like these must not be allowed to happen again
CHRIS MERRITT
George Pell, an innocent man, spent 405 days in prison after two great institutions failed to discharge their responsibilities in a proper manner: the justice system and the media.
The result was one of the worst miscarriages of justice in Australian history, ranking alongside the murder conviction of Lindy Chamberlain after her baby had actually been taken by a dingo.
The fact that the Pell and Chamberlain convictions were eventually overturned is no compensation for the damage that was inflicted. These injustices cannot be allowed to happen again.
The clearest lesson from the Pell affair is the need to bolster the presumption of innocence. This is the golden thread that is supposed to run through the justice system, protecting us from the kind of hysteria that almost destroyed the cardinal.
But there is another lesson: despite years of public hostility by much of the media, Pell had no way of avoiding the risk of a biased jury by seeking to be tried by a judge alone.
That option was not available in Victoria, just as it was not available in the ACT for the man accused of raping Brittany Higgins – another case in which there was a clear risk of a biased jury pool after massive prejudicial publicity.
Trial by jury is an ancient right. But no right is absolute. When it comes into conflict with the right to a fair trial, NSW has shown that judge-alone trials are a viable option.
In the Pell case, many of those in public life – and that includes the media – forgot that they had an interest in upholding the presumption of innocence. By standing back and allowing the courts to do their work, they could have avoided looking like fools once the High Court had ruled.
Instead, significant parts of the media – particularly the ABC – proved they were not immune from the anti-Pell frenzy that swept through parts of society. They overlooked the distinction between an accusation and a proven fact.
In his book Cardinal Pell, the Media Pile-On & Collective Guilt, Gerard Henderson has produced a list of journalists and commentators “who took part in the Pell pile-on over around two decades”. That list, in small type, covers almost a full page.
The Pell affair, just like the Dreyfus affair in France, will forever taint this country’s reputation, and leave a doubt about whether we are really the land of the fair go.
There can be little doubt that Dreyfus, a Jewish army officer, was persecuted because of his religion. That happened on the other side of the planet. But more than a century later, the Pell case shows that little has changed.
The only skerrick of honour from this affair was salvaged by the great dissenting judgment of Mark Weinberg, who refused to go along with the rest of the Victorian Court of Appeal in upholding the flawed jury verdict.
Weinberg’s dissent, which provided the framework for the cardinal’s successful appeal to the High Court, demolished the prosecution’s case.

Muz
Muz
January 12, 2023 9:34 am

OldOz at 8.57:
The open fly story, same happened to me in the early ’70s in Premier & Cabinet in Perth. My BFF also worked there, she was my witness. I’ll have to give her a call today.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 12, 2023 9:34 am

The ABC, very strange mob.
article about high rents online today, woman says “I can eat less so we can pay the rent” she is obese and probably morbidly obese.
ABC totally unaware of the irony in the picture.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 9:35 am

Tomsays:
January 12, 2023 at 9:32 am
George Pell, Lindy Chamberlain: Injustices like these must not be allowed to happen again
CHRIS MERRITT

Thanks Tom for posting saw that in yesterdays OZ and thought Chris Merritt would be excellent as he usually is,

Frank
Frank
January 12, 2023 9:35 am

Calli I imagine the bright graduates came up with foreign currency loans and nearly sent Westpac broke in the late 80s iirc.

Met a CBA graduate the other day. Seemed like a nice girl. She told me it was all about the degree. Hers was from the Conservatorium, she played flute.

m0nty
m0nty
January 12, 2023 9:46 am

Sarah Ferris @sarahnferris
New: Rep. Buddy Carter confirms to me that his Fair Tax Act will get its first-ever floor vote as part of speaker talks. Bill abolishes IRS, eliminates tax code, replacing income taxes with consumption tax – rolling back pieces of GOP tax law

It was a demand of the 20 holdouts

“That was part of the negotiation” Carter says.

Asked about how it would affect the 2017 law, Carter says: “Nobody really likes paying taxes … They would much rather pay a consumption tax than they would property tax or payroll tax or income tax.”

The bill in question

A bunch of cunning stunts.

Figures
Figures
January 12, 2023 9:46 am

Pity you keep turning up people who died of something else, seeing as how there are supposedly so many real deaths to choose from.

Every single person who “died of COVID” could have been said to have died of something else (especially as they were virtually all over 90 years old). And yet, you are sure that they *all* died of COVID.

It’s true that some deaths assigned to the vaccine might be something else but our assertions are true as a generalization even if they aren’t true for specifics.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 12, 2023 9:48 am

Probably been posted but Nilligan up to her dirty deeds again.
What a smug self assured fool she is.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/george-pell-death-survivors-respond-louise-milligan/101846308

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:49 am

An old lady is very upset as her husband Albert had just passed away. She went to the undertakers to have one last look at her dearly departed husband. The instant she saw him she starts crying.

One of the undertakers strides up to provide comfort in this sombre moment. Through her tears she explains that she is upset because her dearest Albert was wearing a black suit, and it was his dying wish to be buried in a blue suit

The undertaker apologises and explains that traditionally, they always put the bodies in black, but he’d see what he could arrange.

The next day she returned to the undertakers to have one last moment with Albert before his funeral the following day. When the undertaker pulls back the curtain, she manages to smile through her tears as Albert is resplendent in a smart blue suit.

She says to the undertaker “Wonderful, wonderful, but where did you get that beautiful blue suit?”

“Well, yesterday afternoon after you left, a man about your husband’s size was brought in & he was wearing a blue suit. His wife explained that she was very upset as he had always wanted to be buried in a black suit” the undertaker replied that he would see what he could do. “After that, it was simply a matter of swapping the heads”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 9:50 am

Every single person who “died of COVID” could have been said to have died of something else (especially as they were virtually all over 90 years old). And yet, you are sure that they *all* died of COVID.

No.
I am not sure of that at all.
I equally argued against the ridiculous categorisation of stage 4 cancer deaths etc as covid victims, as I argue against Indolent’s daily Jumping To Conclusions segment.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:50 am

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.

– Paul R. Ehrlich

Gabor
Gabor
January 12, 2023 9:52 am

Johnny Rotten says:
January 12, 2023 at 9:15 am

To be honest, JR I don’t read your posts about Martin Armstrong, not because of his history, I’m just not interested, he could be a charlatan or a genius I don’t care.
But his criminal history has nothing to do with his ability, if he has any.

People also change.
There are a lot of them we could mention who came good after they served their time in the big house, a certain high ranking PS in NSW (and many others) springs to mind.
If investors are willing to part with their cash, they are either getting their money’s worth or only do it once.
I know, fools are born every minute, but even so, eventually the penny drops, and he runs foul of some law?

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:54 am

Farmer Gezsays:
January 12, 2023 at 9:48 am
Probably been posted but Nilligan up to her dirty deeds again.
What a smug self assured fool she is.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/george-pell-death-survivors-respond-louise-milligan/101846308

Too true. And I have just emailed the ABC (Australian Biased Cretins) the last score. 7 goals to nil by the Judiciary in Pell’s favour……………..I did not get a reply. LOL.

Roger
Roger
January 12, 2023 9:57 am

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.

– Paul R. Ehrlich

And he should know.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 9:57 am

Daily Mail.

EXCLUSIVE: Bruce Lehrmann’s relaxed new life: How ex-staffer quietly picked up his belongings and moved to a winery in Tasmania to live and work during Brittany Higgins saga

Bruce Lehrmann was accused of raping his former colleague Brittany Higgins 
First trial was aborted and the second was dropped by the ACT public prosecutor
Mr Lehrmann has stayed out of the public eye since trial was dropped last year
However, it can now be revealed that Mr Lehrmann has been working at a winery

bons
bons
January 12, 2023 9:59 am

As a kid I desperately wanted to be a bank teller.
We had a border (a cousin from the big smoke) who was doing his bush posting.
He was beyond cool for a teen like me. Lowered car, bird with short skirts, cool brush back – what a role model.
I was shattered when my dad insisted that bank jobs were for losers, so get back to your homework.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 9:59 am

Gaborsays:
January 12, 2023 at 9:52 am
Johnny Rotten says:
January 12, 2023 at 9:15 am

To be honest, JR I don’t read your posts about Martin Armstrong, not because of his history, I’m just not interested, he could be a charlatan or a genius I don’t care.
But his criminal history has nothing to do with his ability, if he has any.

People also change.
There are a lot of them we could mention who came good after they served their time in the big house, a certain high ranking PS in NSW (and many others) springs to mind.
If investors are willing to part with their cash, they are either getting their money’s worth or only do it once.
I know, fools are born every minute, but even so, eventually the penny drops, and he runs foul of some law?

As an alleged ‘Freedom of Speech’ Bog, I mean Blog, that is a well considered comment.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, Jerkoff Codswallop (JC), Dotty Dot and others don’t need to read my posts either.

Frank
Frank
January 12, 2023 10:02 am

Jeff Beck dead at 78.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 10:02 am

We had a border

Wot’, like the one between the USA and Mexico? Or maybe a boarder……………………TC.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 12, 2023 10:03 am

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.

Not really. Computers just give an idiot the ability to screw things up at high speed.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 10:04 am

Franksays:
January 12, 2023 at 10:02 am
Jeff Beck dead at 78.

On his way to Guitar Heaven…………………………..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 10:04 am

National Farmers Federation remains silent on proposal for the Indigenous voice
exclusive
By Paul Garvey
Senior Reporter
@PDGarvey
7:29PM January 11, 2023
49 Comments

The influential National Farmers Federation has opted not to take a position on the Indigenous voice to parliament.

The NFF, the peak body representing farmers across Australia, has been a prominent voice on native title matters for decades but will not advocate for a specific outcome when Australians vote on the proposal this year.

NFF president Fiona Simson acknowledged the wide variety of perspectives on the issue.

“This is an incredibly important issue on which Australians will have a range of views depending on their own understanding, experiences and circumstances,” Ms Simson said.

The NFF has historically been broadly aligned with the Nationals on many issues and endorsed the Coalition over Labor ahead of last year’s federal election, but has opted not to follow the federal Nationals’ lead and declare its opposition to the referendum.

The decision by the federal arm of the Nationals to say they would be voting against the proposal prompted MP Andrew Gee to quit the party just before Christmas and sit in parliament as an independent. The WA arm of the Nationals – which is the official party of opposition in the state – has also stated its support for the voice proposal.

Instead of advocating for either the yes or no campaign, Ms Simson said the NFF would focus on keeping its members informed about the proposal.

“Our members recognise the shared benefits a strong and collaborative relationship with Indigenous people will bring to Australian agriculture,” she said.

“We will share relevant information with our membership as details become available and continue to progress our engagement.

“We hope the debate on this issue can take place in a respectful and constructive way that brings people together rather than becoming divisive.”

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Top Ender says: January 12, 2023 at 8:58 am
Maybe banks had a sort of government approval licence for people to carry guns.

AFAIK this is correct.
Whenever a new bank manager was posted to the district, there was always the rush/competition between clients to “break him in”
There was also a lesser, but very deep interest by some clients in the bank firearms. The bank johnnies were usually totally clueless & almost afraid of their weaponry.
They were almost afraid to touch them.
About this time bank staff were beginning to be informally clued up to not try to use the bank arsenal in the event of a “robbery”

Dad would usually cajole them into bringing the two or three pistols out to home (we were only 60 miles from town) & he’d give the pistols the works & then there’d be some “test firing”
Alas us kids were not allowed to touch, even though as primary school kids we’d usually get the job of driving the bank manager’s bank-issued car along public roads while the manager rode with dad & they’d talk secret grown-up stuff, kids handling the bank guns wasn’t an impression dad wanted the bank to have.

The pistols worked alright, though given the lack of familiarity with, & skittishness around, firearms by the bank staff, they’d have been well advised to never try using them.

There was zero chance of an armed, or any other form of robbery anyway. The only risk for the bank was of a “prick” bank manager being flattened at a social event by an irate business customer.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 12, 2023 10:07 am

Front page of the print edition of the Oz this morning:

– 3/4s of the entire page on Pell
– massive headline “God’s Strong Man”
– large head and shoulders pic

Inside, pages 4, 5, 6 and 7 with feature articles and pix.

Excellent positive coverage

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 10:10 am

Jeff Beck from the BBC website………………………..

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-64228780

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

If it ever occurred to a bank manager how it came to be that clients would just happen to have a ready supply of ammo in the calibre of the bank’s pistols, they never vocalised their thoughts.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 12, 2023 10:13 am

At trivia last night one of my teammates said “Pell can go to hell”. I asked why. She said that because of his conviction for raping the 2 boys. Oh the High Court threw the conviction out. Yes but that was a legal technicality – Oh you must get your news from “Their” ABC (offended look).
Technicality implies the police or prosecution mucked up, but the HC said it could never have happened – how is that for a technicality? The only Vic Appeals court judge with any criminal background, said it was impossible because he didn’t have 3 hands (puzzled look) – well he needed 2 to hold up his very heavy surplice and managed to use his third hand to force the victims head into his crotch AND hold onto the other boy. The HC said the Prosecutions timeline, which is the one the jury considered could never happened, and which I might add the Prosecutor agreed with as she wanted to change it. That is some legal “technicality”.
BTW Did the ABC ever mentioned the victim had many chances to change his story? The he first gave a date range – – but the room was being renovated, then he gave another range , but they were using white not red wine for communion and the victim said they were caught drinking red wine. Then another date, but Pell wasn’t in Melbourne … and the details of the room were changed in another statement.

But he knew about abuse! Yes and when he was able did all he could to stop it. Priests were chucked out , not moved. Ask Paul Bongiorno who also shared a house with Risdale. In his testimony to the RC he said he knew nothing about about abuse, after all Risdale didn’t come home & proclaim to the table “Well I abused another boy today” And if you raise the complaints process, that was the first time ever in the world something like that had been set up, it had its faults but I know I don’t get everything right first time.

The stunned mullet look was priceless. First time she had heard any of what I had said.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 12, 2023 10:14 am

The Expose happily trading on nobody marking their homework.

BBC accidentally admits COVID Vaccine is to blame for 2022 being Worst Year for Excess Deaths in Half a Century after “Journalists” choose to LIE believing nobody would “mark their Homework”

The problem for BBC News and its dishonest reporters is that The Expose has been analysing the source in question, which has been provided by a UK Government institution known as the Office for National Statistics (ONS) for months on end.

The Expose has indeed been ‘analysing’ the ONS data, and has consistently ignored the fact that the official data uses NIMS (ie GP registrations) as a proxy population estimate, which – because individuals within the NHS have multiple GP registrations – massively overstates the UK/Wales unvaccinated population and similarly understates the rate of unvaccinated hospitalisations and deaths.

Courtesy of Professor Norman Fenton: Father of Vaxx AIDS and Patron Saint of Grifters.

Remember him when you are next frustrated that serious public discussion about the safety/efficacy of COVID vaccines and public health strategy gets kicked into the long grass of ‘it’s just the frothing of denialist wingnuts’.

sfw
sfw
January 12, 2023 10:25 am

TE, re police and firearms. In Vic all sworn members are exempt from firearms laws, supposedly whilst on duty, however you’re essentially always on duty so they can really do what they want. You’d be amazed at how many are completely unfamiliar with guns outside of the ones they carry. Went o a job once with a senior constable, quite senior to me at the time. The callers Dad had died and when cleaning the house she found a cut down .22 in his bedside drawer, she put it on top of the fridge and called us. Senior Connie had no idea of how to handle it, it was an old single shot, bolt rifle. She (S/C0 didn’t want to touch it, I took it, opened the breech and it had a round in it, dropped it out and removed the bolt. The woman was happy until I told her it was loaded and she said “her kids had picked it up and played with it”.

Anyway it was a piece of crap and after the paperwork sent off to be destroyed.

P
P
January 12, 2023 10:27 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 10:33 am

dover – seems some problems with site – slow to load and frequently getting following message when not loading

502 Bad Gateway
nginx/1.14.0 (Ubuntu)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 10:39 am

As an alleged ‘Freedom of Speech’ Bog, I mean Blog, that is a well considered comment.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, Jerkoff Codswallop (JC), Dotty Dot and others don’t need to read my posts either.

And freedom of speech also entitles us to point to the many failings of Martin Armstrong (who is a convicted fraudster, by the way).

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 12, 2023 10:43 am

The Oz article about the demise of Sun Cable now up to 1200 comments and great majority are clearly not renewable fans.

Roger
Roger
January 12, 2023 10:44 am

dover – seems some problems with site – slow to load and frequently getting following message when not loading

502 Bad Gateway
nginx/1.14.0 (Ubuntu)

Ozzie, try clearing your browser cache.

A search will advise how to do this on your particular system.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 10:46 am

Bourne1879says:
January 12, 2023 at 10:43 am
The Oz article about the demise of Sun Cable now up to 1200 comments and great majority are clearly not renewable fans.

https://joannenova.com.au/2023/01/big-solar-goes-big-bust-largest-solar-plant-in-the-world-dies-before-it-can-be-built/

Beertruk
January 12, 2023 10:47 am

The woman was happy until I told her it was loaded and she said “her kids had picked it up and played with it”.

That would be vomit inducing after finding out there was a round up the spout.

bons
bons
January 12, 2023 10:50 am

Spell wrecker Mr Rotten.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The woman was happy until I told her it was loaded and she said “her kids had picked it up and played with it”.

Someone let their kids play with a firearm?
Brings up images of how bitches have a litter of pups & she manages to smother half of them.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 12, 2023 10:59 am

Dear Bruce Lehrmann, could you piss in the shipments of wine headed for Canbra? Cheers

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 12, 2023 11:09 am

The management positions were inexorably being taken over by another type of deadbeat – the graduate.

Oi – I resembled that remark. It may have been true but. NAB WA took 8 graduates the year I joined. Don’t think they kept any – one went back and did law (as did I), saw another had ended up at Peet on $400k after a career in property and don’t know what happened to the rest. Even then (late 80s) retail banking wasn’t the place if you were looking for a challenging career and it only got worse.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 11:14 am

No state funeral for George Pell, Daniel Andrews confirms
By Carly Douglas
Cadet Journalist
and Jacquelin Magnay
Europe Correspondent
@jacquelinmagnay
10:53AM January 12, 2023

Daniel Andrews has confirmed there will not be a state memorial service in Victoria for Cardinal George Pell, arguing that it would distress victims of institutional child sexual abuse.

“I couldn’t think of anything more distressing for victim survivors,” the Premier said this morning.

Mr Andrews said he doubted he’d attend the official funeral for the Cardinal, but said his thoughts were with Cardinal Pell’s family and friends after his sudden death on Wednesday.
Read Next

Cardinal Pell, who began his work in the Catholic church in his home town of Ballarat, served as the seventh Archbishop of Melbourne between 1996 and 2001.

Mr Andrews said a request had not been made for a state memorial or funeral service.

“These things are usually offered and there will be no offer made,” he said.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 12, 2023 11:16 am

Curiously the other guy who went and did law was the son of a Family Court judge and he still thought law was preferable to retail banking. Think about that for a minute.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 12, 2023 11:17 am

This is what happens when you hire people based on their gender, race and sexual preference.

It’s been interesting to see just how useless Buttigieg actually is. You’d think there’d be some competence underneath all that qwertiness but no, he’s almost as hopeless as Kamala.

Dot
Dot
January 12, 2023 11:18 am

The stunned mullet look was priceless. First time she had heard any of what I had said.

The MULTIPLE counts and perjury and VIC DPP QC even asking the High Court to approve of such perjury is beyond ridiculous.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 11:18 am

Rogersays:
January 12, 2023 at 10:44 am
dover – seems some problems with site – slow to load and frequently getting following message when not loading

502 Bad Gateway
nginx/1.14.0 (Ubuntu)

Ozzie, try clearing your browser cache.

A search will advise how to do this on your particular system.

Thanks Roger did on both Safari & Chrome – still slow

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 12, 2023 11:19 am

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.

– Paul R. Ehrlich

‘To really foul things up you need a computer MODEL’

FIFY

rickw
rickw
January 12, 2023 11:19 am

“I couldn’t think of anything more distressing for victim survivors,” the Premier said this morning.

Living in Victoria with you as Premier?

F’cking POS.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 11:19 am

Bank clerks and guns – there was the story of of the bank clerk who was “called up”, did his National Service, served as an infantryman in Viet Nam, and returned to his job at the bank.

A customer entered the premises one morning, identified himself as a University student, and inquired about transferring money to the National Liberation Front. He got a .38 pistol jammed in his gob, and told where to go and how to get there in the greatest of detail…

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 12, 2023 11:20 am

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer.

– Paul R. Ehrlich

To really foul things up you need a computer MODEL.

FIFY

Cassie of Sydney
January 12, 2023 11:24 am

““These things are usually offered and there will be no offer made,” he said.”

I feel so utterly ashamed that we have in this country a man who is a premier of a state, and who is someone so grubby, so filthy, so mendacious, so wicked, so depraved, so deceitful, so dishonest and so hypocritical, and the fact is that this hideous individual was recently re-elected.

My God this country had fallen.

rickw
rickw
January 12, 2023 11:24 am

The callers Dad had died and when cleaning the house she found a cut down .22 in his bedside drawer

Good to see the old bloke wasn’t taking any home invasion shit lying down!

rickw
rickw
January 12, 2023 11:26 am

My God this country had fallen.

Yes, Australia has fallen.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 12, 2023 11:28 am

In Vic all sworn members are exempt from firearms laws, supposedly whilst on duty, however you’re essentially always on duty so they can really do what they want. You’d be amazed at how many are completely unfamiliar with guns outside of the ones they carry.

FACTCHECK: TRUE

The SAPOL Sgt who did me the courtesy of a home visit to tell me the Attorney General didn’t like me criticising him, under the guise of a ‘check my firearms’ excuse clearly had NO IDEA how to clear the 2nd weapon I brought out (a 357 Lever Carbine). I said to him ‘OK, now we have a problem, as a licenced firearms owner I cannot hand a weapon to someone who is not competent to handle it’.

He said ‘I’m a police officer so be definition I am competent’.

I said, ‘no I dont believe so which means we have a problem – how about I just bring each gun out one by one, clear them myself and you don’t touch them?’

He agreed, which showed me he knew I was right…. mind you, I had just schooled him on firearms law as well 😉

Entropy
Entropy
January 12, 2023 11:28 am

Well, we are getting too many state funded all these days, and I don’t think there should be one for Pell because he wasn’t a Governor, PM or Premier, which IMHO are the only ones who should get one, and even a lot of them that slip easily into teh forgettery. And separation of church and state etc.

But Andrews contemptibly links Pell with Victims. What a scum.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 11:29 am

dover previous response “Briefly unavailable for scheduled maintenance. Check back in a minute.”

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 12, 2023 11:31 am

Dan Andrews never fails to play politics when honour is required.
Petty little tyrant.

Arky
January 12, 2023 11:33 am

Sancho Panzer says:
January 12, 2023 at 9:50 am
I equally argued against the ridiculous categorisation of stage 4 cancer deaths etc as covid victims

..
Bull.
More gaslighting from Sancho of the Upticks.
You might have once or twice, when backed into a corner, reluctantly conceded the point, but to say you EQUALLY argued the case is something that no one on here with a memory for your constant imbecilic snarking is going to buy.

Morsie
Morsie
January 12, 2023 11:34 am

Article in the Hun about former Chief of Navy getting his girl friend onto a sub so he could propose.
Fair dinkum he looks about 25 and has now retired.

Cassie of Sydney
January 12, 2023 11:35 am

Cooee to the Victorian Liberals, is there is anyone brave enough to stand up and call out this disgusting putrid grub out?

Probably not.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 12, 2023 11:35 am

dover0beachsays:
January 12, 2023 at 11:07 am
210 Democrats vote against bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after abortion attempt
Democrats said the bill would interfere with families’ medical decisions

Absolutely clear that the entire motive behind abortion is ridding the mother or family of the obligation to care for their own child.

They hate their own child so much, they won’t even make the child available for adoption.

m0nty
m0nty
January 12, 2023 11:36 am

I feel so utterly ashamed that we have in this country a man who is a premier of a state, and who is someone so grubby, so filthy, so mendacious, so wicked, so depraved, so deceitful, so dishonest and so hypocritical, and the fact is that this hideous individual was recently re-elected.

Oh Cranky, you are so off the pace.

rickw
rickw
January 12, 2023 11:37 am

George Pell, Lindy Chamberlain: Injustices like these must not be allowed to happen again

This is Australia, witch hunting is a national pastime for the politicians, media and ignorant.

Morsie
Morsie
January 12, 2023 11:40 am

regarding the sexual harassment case, employers are screwed whatever they do.Friend of mine worked at a Council, two employees , male and female were a roving team , cant remember what for.She claimed that he sexually assaulted her so they sacked him.
The follow up was he brought proceedings for wrongful dismissal and she brought a claim over the harassment.Lose lose for teh Council.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 12, 2023 11:41 am

m0nty=fa shedding tears of rage at the Republican hold-outs getting a chance to table a tax reform law (that would abolish thousands of deep State jobs).

Ferment the tears and bottle them, it would be an interesting vintage.

Cassie of Sydney
January 12, 2023 11:42 am

Oh Cranky, you are so off the pace.”

Nah, I’m on the pace, and as for you grub, completely unsurprised that you stand with a piece of vermin like Dan, like attracts like, grubs attract grubs, vermin attracts vermin.

rickw
rickw
January 12, 2023 11:42 am

He said ‘I’m a police officer so be definition I am competent’.

Usual firearm inspection involves “can you show me how to check this is unloaded?”. Of course they’re competent to carry and use firearms….

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 12, 2023 11:43 am

m0ntysays:
January 12, 2023 at 11:36 am
I feel so utterly ashamed that we have in this country a man who is a premier of a state, and who is someone so grubby, so filthy, so mendacious, so wicked, so depraved, so deceitful, so dishonest and so hypocritical, and the fact is that this hideous individual was recently re-elected.

Oh Cranky, you are so off the pace.

The new m0nty=fa “angry meatsuit” seems a little thin skinned. Perhaps Grogarly can advise him on better preparation techniques?

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 12, 2023 11:44 am

Well it seems according to Farmer Gez the seat of Rippon was gerrymandered by including Wendouree in it. I know Wendouree unfortunately. What other seats?

Morsie
Morsie
January 12, 2023 11:45 am

Times have changed.The ANZ had a shooting range in King St and their employees had to attend.I think it survived till the1970s.

Beertruk
January 12, 2023 11:49 am

I said, ‘no I dont believe so which means we have a problem – how about I just bring each gun out one by one, clear them myself and you don’t touch them?’

My first ever lesson on the SLR at Kapooka ‘Chracteristics and Safety Precautions of the SLR.’
‘During this lesson you will be taught Characteristics and Safety Precautions of the Self Loading Rifle. The reason you are taught this is so that you can employ the weapon at it’s full capability to kill the enemy and not to kill or maim yourself. Or your mates. All the weapons on the groundsheets infront of you have been cleared by myself and are safe and unloaded.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 12, 2023 11:52 am

House panel formed to probe ‘weaponization’ of FBI, DOJ too important for partisan trivialities

As The Washington Times’ editorial board noted back in August, many of the committees that have jurisdiction over these agencies have already failed to conduct or, in most cases, even initiate meaningful oversight. Some congressional committee members and staff with jurisdiction are themselves part of the problem.

To be taken seriously by the voters, however, the special commission or committee or whatever that is empaneled must consist of and be led by serious and sober members. This is not a moment for members who are concerned primarily about their social media accounts. This is a matter of the gravest urgency and will require an equally sober, deliberate and nonpartisan assessment of the depth of the crisis and the changes that need to be made.

Those involved in such an examination should be clear about the stakes. Despite the nonsense on both sides about insurrection (still no one charged with that), elections being stolen, votes being suppressed and democracy dying in the darkness, the real and immediate risk to the Republic is that some of those charged with safeguarding it have, in fact, become its enemies.

The moment requires statesmanship, clarity of purpose, and an approach free of rancor and score-settling. The Republicans should think very diligently about who should participate in such an effort.
Almost 2,000 years ago, the Roman poet Juvenal wrote: “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” — who watches the watchmen themselves?

Five hundred years before that, Plato grappled with the same question: How does society protect itself from the tyranny of those who wield the legitimacy of law enforcement like a weapon against the citizenry?

No one likes to think of their own watchmen as part of the problem. But at a certain point, facts become inescapable. The only right answer — and the one we face now — is to be fearless and resolute in examining the conduct of the federal watchmen.

If we don’t have a system-wide, open, transparent and meaningful examination of the problem now — when the scope and scale of the problem have become obvious to everyone — when will we?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 11:53 am

My apologies to The Great Ubuntu, Leader of Thoughts at 11:33 for not measuring up to your high standards and posting a Covid wordwall every half hour.
Hi St Ruth!

Bluey
Bluey
January 12, 2023 11:59 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
January 12, 2023 at 11:24 am
““These things are usually offered and there will be no offer made,” he said.”

I feel so utterly ashamed that we have in this country a man who is a premier of a state, and who is someone so grubby, so filthy, so mendacious, so wicked, so depraved, so deceitful, so dishonest and so hypocritical, and the fact is that this hideous individual was recently re-elected.

My God this country had fallen.

The same premier who can’t or won’t show his face in his own electorate, yet somehow still won…

Arky
January 12, 2023 12:02 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 12, 2023 at 11:53 am
My apologies to The Great Ubuntu, Leader of Thoughts at 11:33 for not measuring up to your high standards and posting a Covid wordwall every half hour.
Hi St Ruth!

..
No, imbecile.
I’m not going to let you rewrite your personal history on here to make yourself out as the great even handed source of rationality.
You mocked everyone on here who raised concerns about the vaxx.
When some on here who knew there was something off about the whole thing, but who did not have the maths backgrounds to filter out the over claiming for the vaxx deaths, I explained the maths to them and why their concerns were possible but those numbers wrong. You just mocked and snarked at them. People aren’t idiots. They remember.
Don’t come the innocent and try to make out you were rational and even handed.
You were perfectly happy to see the government spend billions pushing out this useless shit because you were afraid for your wrinkly old arse, and there was no class enemy of yours on the other side of the transaction.

JC
JC
January 12, 2023 12:07 pm

The sea is very angry today, my friends.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 12:07 pm

Deepest apologies Ubuntu.
How should I try to be a better person?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

‘I’m a police officer so be definition I am competent’.

Police Officers & Licenced Firearm Owners. I know which of these has the most negligent discharges & accidental woundings – often of self.

Jorge
Jorge
January 12, 2023 12:09 pm

““These things are usually offered and there will be no offer made,” he said.”

So state funerals are at the whim of the premier in vic, now.
Comensoli should challenge this.

calli
calli
January 12, 2023 12:12 pm

On the firearms in banks. In the BNSW, later Westpac, a bank officer was responsible for the firearms register and gun maintenance. It was usually the Head Teller or the Accountant.

Firearms were assigned to tellers and the serial numbers recorded in the register. Each morning, when the cash was removed from the safe, the firearms would also be removed and distributed to their keepers. Signed out and coutersigned. The gun was checked by both officers to ensure the top chamber (opposite the hammer) was empty and the safety was engaged. At the end of the day they were marked off in the register and tucked up in bed.

It was treated very seriously and no one ever mucked around with them. Only once have I seen someone do something seriously stupid and he was given a real shellacking by the Accountant.

I think the Bank itself held the license for the entire armoury, and individual branches were responsible for distribution to trustworthy people. Given that the tellers had, depending on the branch, enormous floats of cash, this was a given. Every six months or so the bank’s armourer would do routine maintenance on the firearms. I never knew one to be used in all the time I was there.

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 12:13 pm

The follow up was he brought proceedings for wrongful dismissal and she brought a claim over the harassment.Lose lose for teh Council.

NO. Lose Lose for the Ratepayers as always……………………..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 12:13 pm

Albanese grilled over BBQ with billionaire

Thu, 12 January 2023 at 8:10 am AWST·2-min read
In this article:

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is facing questions over a private lunch in Victoria with one of Australia’s richest men.

Mr Albanese was flown in Lindsay Fox’s private helicopter for a meeting at his Portsea mansion on Saturday, which was also attended by Victorian Labor Premier Dan Andrews, Nine newspapers reported.

The meeting came after the prime minister finished a media conference in Geelong and before flying to Western Australia to inspect flood damage.

The newspapers reported Mr Albanese had lunch with the logistics industry leader and had a swim.

Mr Fox is understood to be seeking to develop his private Avalon airport into an intermodal transport hub, which would likely require Victorian and federal government assistance.

When asked about the meeting, Mr Albanese told reporters on Wednesday: “I have private meetings all the time. And I have private meetings which are private meetings.”

“B-b-b-b- but I just fight Tories, it’s what I do….”

Johnny Rotten
January 12, 2023 12:15 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
January 12, 2023 at 12:07 pm
Deepest apologies Ubuntu.
How should I try to be a better person?

Very simple Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. Just go and play in the traffic……………………………..

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 12, 2023 12:16 pm

Anal is proving that its possible to be worse than scummo which is no mean feat.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 12, 2023 12:17 pm

Some people here seem to have way too much time on their hands.

Bruce in WA
January 12, 2023 12:18 pm

Police Officers & Licenced Firearm Owners. I know which of these has the most negligent discharges & accidental woundings – often of self.

Police in a Kimberley town came out to our local pistol club one evening for some practice. Sgt stood at the firing line, removed handgun, raised it near vertical in a two-handed grip, began to bring it down to bear, fired the bloody thing unexpectedly and sent the shot screaming over the top of the backstop and into the darkness. Range officer promptly screamed a “Cease firing!” at him, made him safe the gun and reholster it. Cops never came back in the two years I was there.

Dot
Dot
January 12, 2023 12:19 pm

Fascinating

A long read

TL;DR

Don’t eat a lot of sugar.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2022.988481/full

REVIEW article
Front. Immunol., 31 August 2022
Sec. Inflammation
https://doi.org/10.3389/fimmu.2022.988481

Excessive intake of sugar: An accomplice of inflammation

sfw
sfw
January 12, 2023 12:20 pm

There was a handgun range under the Melbourne GPO, still in use in the late 70’s. Don’t know who used it, but it was used.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 12, 2023 12:25 pm

One should not be surprised mUnty is quite comfortable in Chairman Dan’s Victoriastan.

I expect it was much the same in Cambodia and elsewhere throughout history.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Police Officers & Licenced Firearm Owners. I know which of these has the most negligent discharges & accidental woundings – often of self.

For whatever reason, I had the doubtful priveledge of witnessing a class from the New South Wales Police Academy on the range. Three members were providing an appalling display of weapons handling. Afterwards, commiserating with the instructor, he was blunt. “They can’t shoot, they can’t drive, they’ll get out on the street and get another officer killed, but they have a Court order saying they have to be allowed to join…”

Bruce in WA
January 12, 2023 12:26 pm

When I worked in the State Pubic [sic] Service back in the late 60s, our pay was brought round in little packets by two junior staff from Accounts (Salaries) Branch. One carried the wooden box with the envelopes, the other carried the Department’s nickel-coated .32 revolver, usually just in his pants pocket. Had a close look at it one day — it had green stuff “growing” in the barrel and the cylinder was frozen in place. No-one had any training whatsoever in firearms usage.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Anal is proving that its possible to be worse than scummo which is no mean feat.

That was always likely. It is still not a reason not to have rejected SloMo.

dopey
dopey
January 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Staring at breasts. What if they’re implants, does she still get the money?

Arky
January 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 12, 2023 at 12:07 pm
Deepest apologies Ubuntu.
How should I try to be a better person

..
Leave.

m0nty
m0nty
January 12, 2023 12:30 pm

So state funerals are at the whim of the premier in vic, now.
Comensoli should challenge this.

Through what channels?

He can run for Parliament if he likes.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 12, 2023 12:30 pm

Absolutely Bear- scommo and co deserved to be kicked out but we didn’t deserve anal.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 12, 2023 12:31 pm

Arkysays:

January 12, 2023 at 12:28 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 12, 2023 at 12:07 pm
Deepest apologies Ubuntu.
How should I try to be a better person

..
Leave.

Must be tough for you, Ubuntu, not being able to edit, delete and move dissenting opinions.
I feel for you.
I really do.

m0nty
m0nty
January 12, 2023 12:33 pm

To be taken seriously by the voters, however, the special commission or committee or whatever that is empaneled must consist of and be led by serious and sober members.

It won’t.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 12, 2023 12:33 pm

Dan Andrews is a grub. There can be no excuse for someone in his position being so dumb.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Staring at breasts. What if they’re implants, does she still get the money?

So many fake tits around, I just want to go up and ask “ Great tits. What did they cost?” but I’m a coward at heart.

JC
JC
January 12, 2023 12:35 pm

Arky says:
January 12, 2023 at 12:28 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 12, 2023 at 12:07 pm
Deepest apologies Ubuntu.
How should I try to be a better person

..
Leave.

Hey Dover, have you transferred the blog?

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