“…But no-one has no need to …”
Noone has ANY need

when he was never convicted at all.

Clearly there was a point in time when he was convicted.

Still this is a sideshows.
A great loss, no doubt hastened by his treatment at the hands of Vic pol and the courts.
He will rest easy but I hope he’s a burden on the conscience of Dan Andrews et al.
I expect he will be Australia’s second saint.

I have just heard from a friend in Rome who had Pell around only two days ago – “he was in fine spirits and was in the company of those who love him.”

The two billionaires are understood to have different views on the optimal funding package and strategic vision for the project.

Any differing views won’t be quenched with their own money

““Clearly there was a point in time when he was convicted.”

Yes, but since the HC decision,”

Yes Cassie, quite so.
M0nty’s point is that during the interval between the two events, it could be said he was “convicted”.
And he should no more be expected to retract what he said in that time, than someone should need to go back and change “wife” to “ex-wife” after a divorce – it was accurate at the time it was said.

As I said, I often find M0nty’s opinions offensive. As do many others, apparently you included. That is no reason to suspect the worst possible interpretation of what he says is what he actually meant – most especially on a text based forum. You lose so much context in such fora, misunderstandings are easy enough without “looking” for reasons to be abrasive. If it rubs you up the wrong way, better to ignore it in most cases, IMO (although I am as guilty of not doing so as anyone else here, so take that as you will).

“And the common fact is that the claims made in court were at all times physically impossible.”

Yes – the law is an ass sometimes. But it is the only system we have… and in the end it did get it right, so there is that.
This sort of mistake is one reason I can never support capital punishment – you can’t un-kill someone.

“…we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.”

Can we agree that you are abrasive and not well liked here?

I might fly to Sydney for the funeral – I know many others that are planning it now…

George Pell, Lindy Chamberlain: Injustices like these must not be allowed to happen again Chris Merritt

4:00PM January 11, 2023

George Pell, an innocent man, spent 405 days in prison after two great institutions failed to discharge their responsibilities in a proper manner: the justice system and the media.

The result was one of the worst miscarriages of justice in Australian history, ranking alongside the murder conviction of Lindy Chamberlain after her baby had actually been taken by a dingo.

The fact that the Pell and Chamberlain convictions were eventually overturned is no compensation for the damage that was inflicted. These injustices cannot be allowed to happen again.

The clearest lesson from the Pell affair is the need to bolster the presumption of innocence. This is the golden thread that is supposed to run through the justice system, protecting us from the kind of hysteria that almost destroyed the cardinal.
Timeline

June 8, 1941: George Pell is born Ballarat, Victoria.

1959: Pell signs as a ruckman for the Richmond Football Club.

1960: Pell begins priesthood studies at Corpus Christi College in Werribee. 

December 16, 1966: Pell is ordained a priest at St. Peter’s Basilica. 

1971: Pell earns a Doctor of Philosophy degree in Church History from Oxford University.

1971: Pell becomes a curate in the parish of Swan Hill on the Murray River.

1973: Pell becomes a priest at St Alipius in Ballarat East. He remains there until 1983.

November, 1973: Pell is appointed Ballarat diocese’s Vicar for Education and Principal of the Catholic Teachers college, Aquinas College.

1982: Pell earns a Master of Education degree from Monash University, Melbourne.

1984: Pell becomes rector of Corpus Christi College in Clayton.

1991: Pell becomes the inaugural Pro-Chancellor for the new Australian Catholic University. 

May 21, 1987: Pell is consecrated the seventh bishop for the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

1987: Pell becomes chair of Australian Catholic Relief. The job which he held over nine years took him around to the world’s poorest ares.

1990: Pell joins the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – the Church’s main body defending faith and morals, led by the scholarly German cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

1996: Pell is appointed Archbishop of Melbourne by Pope John Paul II. He sets up the Melbourne Response to respond to victims of sexual abuse within the Church.

December 16, 1996: Pell is ordained in St Peter’s Basilica

1997: Pell seeks an injunction under blasphemy laws to stop controverial artwork from being shown

2001: Pell becomes the eighth Archbishop of Sydney. He holds that position until 2014. 

2003: Pell is elevated to a cardinal.

2005: Pell is awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia for “for services to the Catholic Church in Australia and internationally”.

2005: Pell participates in the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI.

July 20, 2008: Pell holds a Saturday night vigil and Sunday Mass with Pope Benedict XVI at Randwick Racecourse for World Youth Day. 500,000 young people from 200 countries in attended the five-day Catholic youth festival. Only July 19, Pope Benedict XVI made a historic apology to victims of child sex abuse by priests.

2013: Pell participates in the conclave that elected Pope Francis.

May, 2013: Pell appears before the parliamentary inquiry into child sex abuse and the Catholic Church. He apologises for clergy sex abuse.

March 1, 2014: Pell becomes Vatican prefect for the Secretariat for Economy, which means he is responsible for the Vatican’s budget.

June 29, 2017: Pell is charged with historical sex offences.

July 27, 2017: Hearings begin. He pleads not guilty to five charges of historical sexual assault of two 13-year-old choiceboys. 

August 15, 2018: Cardinal Pell’s first of two trials for historical sexual assault charges begins in Melbourne County Court.

September 20, 2018: The jury in the trial is discharged after it is unable to decide on a verdict.

November 7, 2018: Retrial begins. 

December 11, 2018: Pell is found guilty of five charges of sexual assault in the Melbourne County Court but it cannot be reported on until February 26, 2019 , when prosecutors abandoned the second trial.

March, 2019: Pell is sentenced to six years in prison.

April 7, 2020: Pell appeals against his conviction in the High Court and wins after losing his first appeal in the Victorian Court of Appeal on August 21, 2019. He is released from Barwon Prison after 400 days in custody.

September 30, 2020: Pell returns to the Vatican.

January 3, 2023: Pell attends the funeral of his friend Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI inside St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican. 

January 11, 2023: Pell dies in Salvator Mundi hospital from complications related to a hip-replacement operation. 

But there is another lesson: despite years of public hostility by much of the media, Pell had no way of avoiding the risk of a biased jury by seeking to be tried by a judge alone.

That option was not available in Victoria, just as it was not available in the ACT for the man accused of raping Brittany Higgins – another case in which there was a clear risk of a biased jury pool after massive prejudicial publicity.

Trial by jury is an ancient right. But no right is absolute. When it comes into conflict with the right to a fair trial, NSW has shown that judge-alone trials are a viable option.

In the Pell case, many of those in public life – and that includes the media – forgot that they had an interest in upholding the presumption of innocence. By standing back and allowing the courts to do their work, they could have avoided looking like fools once the High Court had ruled.

Instead, significant parts of the media – particularly the ABC – proved they were not immune from the anti-Pell frenzy that swept through parts of society. They overlooked the distinction between an accusation and a proven fact.

The Australian’s Legal Affairs Contributor Chris Merritt says Cardinal George Pell died an innocent man despite… the frenzied “lynch mob” which opposed him. Cardinal George Pell has died at the age of 81 with Vatican Media confirming he passed away in Rome after complications from hip replacement surgery. In More

In his book Cardinal Pell, the Media Pile-On & Collective Guilt, Gerard Henderson has produced a list of journalists and commentators “who took part in the Pell pile-on over around two decades”. That list, in small type, covers almost a full page.

The Pell affair, just like the Dreyfus affair in France, will forever taint this country’s reputation, and leave a doubt about whether we are really the land of the fair go.

There can be little doubt that Dreyfus, a Jewish army officer, was persecuted because of his religion. That happened on the other side of the planet. But more than a century later, the Pell case shows that little has changed.

The only skerrick of honour from this affair was salvaged by the great dissenting judgment of Mark Weinberg, who refused to go along with the rest of the Victorian Court of Appeal in upholding the flawed jury verdict.

Weinberg’s dissent, which provided the framework for the cardinal’s successful appeal to the High Court, demolished the prosecution’s case.

How can you sue for wrongful conviction if you were never convicted?

Comment of the thread by a dickless grub.

Dickless creeps should not be reasoned with especially those looking after the milko’s kiddies.

Tony Windsor:
If there is a hell a new entrant has arrived.

I’m 100% certain the rainbow people will turn up at Pell funeral, some will even get in as it will be a public mass. They’ll hide their rainbow sashes under their clothes and shout out terrible things.

100% certain.

And I’m sure it is already being planned.

Sickos.

m0nty says:
January 11, 2023 at 4:04 pm
We can agree to disagree on our opinions, but we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.

Therefore, inbetween M0nty saying Pell’s dead and all I can say is LOL
and then backflipping with I meant to type in love not LOL
he was convicted by his own words as an utter degenerate for that period of time.
There is a common set of facts for you.
And we can all look back and say with utmost certainty that M0nty was, just for a time, a convicted degenerate.

Gold v Dollar

From Martin Armstrong Economics –

QUESTION #1: Marty,

Thanks for your interesting post about gold and China.
Which do you think will perform better this year, gold or the dollar?
Thank you.

QUESTION #2: Marty, obviously the motive behind China buying gold is critical. I tried to explain that to a goldbug. It went in one ear and out the other. Russia and China have separate motives from the rest of the world. Correct?

ANSWER: Absolutely. Only a goldbug thinks motives are irrelevant as long as gold rises. Short-covering is not buying buy squaring off positions. Then you have retail buying and institutional buying. I was helping the Japanese circumvent the US trade sanction threats by purchasing gold on COMEX and then selling it back in London. It did not matter what you bought. The trade statistics only measure money flows – not goods. So, I was using gold to reduce the trade surplus of Japan buying gold in NYC (as it it was a product) and shipping it out to London. The buying was irrelevant to the trend. Just because someone buys gold does not make them bullish at all.

What you need to understand is that China is not buying gold because they are bullish on gold. They cannot hold US or EU debt and therefore you will continue to see them liquidating Western sovereign assets. That will not be the case for others inside the West. They will remain holding debt that pays interest where gold does not. Those who have been brainwashed about fiat and gold and inflation are so entrenched in their thinking, they will never see that the difference in motive has nothing to do with gold at all, but geopolitical events as we head into 2032. So they keep looking at balance sheets at the Fed and inflation and miss the real trend altogether.

We have private interests that do NOT have the same motives as China or Russia. Those are high net-worth individuals and institutions who will prefer the more liquid assets of equities and short-term debt like T-Bills. We have NOT reached the point where there is a total collapse in the faith of the dollar or the US government as of yet. Keep in mind that 50% of Americans still believe in Biden somehow and are consumed with their hate of Trump which prevents them from seeing the real trend.

Society is being so dumbed-down by the media that we are sleepwalking into WWIII and cheering it at the same time. They think war is a video game. We bomb and kill people elsewhere and it never affects us at home.

The dollar is not finished. It is the most hated currency perhaps in history. But that is also because people have been manipulated into thinking that money is fiat and keep preaching the days of returning to some sort of gold standard. The problem with that theory is it demands fiscal responsibility and you will NEVER sell that idea to politicians. They cannot survive without bribing people for votes. That means they MUST end Democracy and that is the main objective of Schwab and the WEF.

The backing of the dollar has NOTHING to do with commodities. If that were the case, Japan and Germany should never have risen to the top tier in the world economy. I am NOT an academic. I have worked on every continent and actually visited more central banks than probably any analyst ever. What I have seen is how things work, not theory. That is why some people hate my guts. The TRUE wealth of every nation is its people and their productive ability. The more leftist the government, the worse the economic growth and the lower the standard of living. That is the power behind the dollar and it has NOTHING to do even with the quantity because 70% of paper dollars reside outside the USA.

Remember the Money Plane. Skids of $100 bills were being sent to Russia every week to satisfy the demand. When the new $100 bill took place, anyone flying internationally saw videos on planes telling them that the old $100 bills were still valid and were NOT canceled as they do in Europe.

Perhaps by 2028, you will see the dollar fade away into the sunset. But for now! These insane world leaders are pushing for war. Sweden has just announced a military draft. Europe is not going to”

There is nothing warped about my belief that the jab is killing people. 

Pity you keep turning up people who died of something else, seeing as how there are supposedly so many real deaths to choose from.

Maria Zeee & James Roguski – WHO Secret Plan to Eradicate All Freedoms Exposed on The Alex Jones Show

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/01/our-greatest-miscarriage-of-justice/

Interesting reading.

… knew one of the accusers of the pool incident. The father doesn’t know if the story is true or not, but what he does know is that the accuser is a grifter, drunk and bullshit artist.

C.L. has the duck’s guts on their form.
In one case you can add violent crimes to the list.

Britain to push ahead with readying ground for a digital pound

Tony Windsor craving the limelight again I see.

Oh I looked up Maria Zeeeeeeee
I for one look forward to being detected by ‘various airport scanners’.
What happens when you are detected?

Didn’t happen to me in December though, disappointing.

I thought the Tony Windsor shenanigans were at an army training facility.

Fancy that; lolita biden had classifieds lying all over the place; and odd too that the classifieds were all about the chunks, ukraine and iran, all of which have their fingers up the old perve’s arse. These documents were removed just before Trump came in to blind him and the US and they were only discovered after the midterms.

Compared to Trump’s signed photos of him and rocket man biden’s stuff is the real deal. Biden and several hundred of the closest of the swamp to him should be subject to medieval torture similar to these. I’m partial to the rat one.

Something Something lucerfarian, dots on foreheads Something Something.

Pains me to say it but well done to Albo on his presser on Pell death.

At least he didn’t do a Daniel Andrews…

Grigs you dick. Most people went through school, boarding colleges, Catholic Church with no problems at all. I’m one of them and so are 99% of people I know (and I know more than your average Joe).

I recall the NSW Auditor General presenting a report showing you were more likely to be abused in a State, Uniting, Anglican THEN Catholic Church on ratio (in that order).

I have nothing against the CoE, just morons like you.

Anyway Catters – as much as I’d love to stick around and insult Grigs, who is transitioning* into a Munty, have a good evening and raise a glass to Pell this evening.

Sure googerly…. believe whatever you want

Here you go moron:

The media focus on the Royal Commission’s coverage of Catholics has led to a distortion of the sad universality of a terrible crime.

Although it spent fifteen days on the Catholic “wrap”, the Royal Commission spent a mere half a day on its Uniting Church “wrap”—hearing only three witnesses in the process. Here’s a quote from the introduction by Counsel Assisting, Angus Stewart SC, concerning the Uniting Church “wrap”:

In the 40 years since the Church’s inauguration, there have been 2504 incidents or allegations of child sexual abuse that have been reported as having occurred at an institution or place of worship of the Uniting Church.

That’s 2504 incidents or allegations in the period between 1977, when the Uniting Church was formed, and 2017. This compares with 4445 claims with respect to the Catholic Church between 1950 and 2015. And the Catholic Church is five times larger than the Uniting Church. Moreover, the Royal Commission did not include allegations in the period 1950 to 1977 with respect to the Presbyterian, Congregational and Methodist communities which folded into the Uniting Church in 1977. This would take the number of allegations beyond 2504, especially since it seems that child sexual abuse was at its worst in the 1960s and 1970s.

feelthebernsays:

January 11, 2023 at 7:35 pm

The giant $30bn Sun Cable project, one of the country’s largest renewable developments, has fallen into administration.

I know a guy involved with this.
He was at a pre-christmas gig.
Seemed happy as Larry at the time.

I hope Santa brought him a Plan B.

I never thought anyone or thing could be more corrupt than the clintons but the demented pervert biden is well ahead.

That was Mulkearns & the sycophants who Mulkearns surrounded himself with.
One of the most evil cabals in Australian history.

Yep.
He condoned it.
No two ways about it.
He and Little were post Vatican II progressives and Pell was an old school conservative.
As to why Mulkearns condoned it and covered for it, who knows?
Interesting that the targets were almost invariably poor and powerless. Rarely did they target kids of wealthy and influential Catholics as far as I can tell.
It’s as if they knew who might bring things crashing down around them.