Open Thread – Weekend 14 Jan 2023


Girl at a Sewing Machine, Edward Hopper, 1921


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Vicki
Vicki
January 15, 2023 7:07 pm

I am just a lay person but have read thousands of pages of reports and studies of the Jab, I didn’t get one and never will. I believe that the truth will be told before long as there are too many people researching this issue for it to stay hidden.

Ditto. It continues to astonish me that so many people took the assurances of the vax safety verbatim, particularly after the first accepted vaccine deaths were made public. I confess that the death of the first AZ vaccinee in Australia in early 2020 shook me up & started me on the long journey of research into vaccinology and dissenting physicians and medical research statisticians.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 7:09 pm

Autopsies will yield the truth

How so? Someone dies of a stroke or a heart attack. An autopsy would disclose that, but how does cutting up a stiff yield further evidence? Evidence at least that it was vax related.
For that matter, if vaxes are said not to offer any protection against getting covid, how do we know covid didn’t kill the person?

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 7:09 pm

remember trying to cook tadpoles and eating them?

tadpoles … er … no

they may be ok in an omelette though

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 7:10 pm

2021, Vicki.

There was no vaxx in 2020. In 2020 people were longing for one, such was the hysteria.

Christine
Christine
January 15, 2023 7:11 pm

It’s easy to be dismissive if there is no one in your family whose good health has become poor health, after receiving a jab. Just as it is with road accidents, the deaths are the reported dramas, but the injuries of survivors – not so much. All people I know, who obeyed the authorities, won’t acknowledge they could have been duped.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

feelthebern says: January 15, 2023 at 6:04 pm
The Australia day lamb ad is pretty funny.
The first non sneery one in over a decade.
I wonder what changed.

It’s a good start, however it is made by people who seem to have no idea how to cook & eat lamb.
They’re pretty much treating it as if it is kebabs cooked on a hotplate.
….. and the ad is very much “spot the aussie”

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 7:14 pm

Autopsies will yield the truth, or if not the whole truth, a glimpse of light.

Try not to be selective, JC.

An autopsy would yield the truth of claims about great clogs of material in the blood vessels for a start – one of the claims of the anti-vaxx people. It would also show death caused by myocarditis or pericarditis, another COD claimed to be vaxx induced.

And…some of those dreaded nanobots might be lurking, Alien style. Boo!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JCsays: January 15, 2023 at 5:37 pm

No citation.
It is just another story Nana Stuphid told.
No surprise.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 7:15 pm

It’s easy to be dismissive if there is no one in your family whose good health has become poor health, after receiving a jab.

Sorry, but that’s just a version of the lived experience excuse and we shouldn’t buy that. There are plenty of concerned people without an ax to grind.

Evidence is evidence and it doesn’t discriminate between the lived and un-lived experience.

sfw
sfw
January 15, 2023 7:16 pm

Anyone here grown Coriander? I normally buy it fresh from the supermarket, it’s always delicious and sweet. Decided to grow my own this summer. Got some seedlings from the local shop and planted them. They grew well but when I started using them the taste wasn’t nearly as good as the supermarket fresh stuff.

It just didn’t have the vibrant fresh taste of the supermarket stuff and lacked the sweetness. Used it in a few dishes and it was the same every time, all freshly picked. gave some to my brother but didn’t say anything about the flavour, he told me afterwards that the Coriander just wasn’t right, he used it a couple of times too. I don’t know the variety as I threw away the seedling holder after planting.

So are there different varieties? Or am I doing something wrong? Thanks

Makka
Makka
January 15, 2023 7:18 pm

Australia in early 2020

You mean early ’21?

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 7:19 pm

Driller

No citation needed because we all know it’s vividly true.

For the second time, I was offering you well-intentioned advice because of you previous murky history.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

sfw says: January 15, 2023 at 7:16 pm
Anyone here grown Coriander?

Yep. Without knowing anything about your method, I’ll stick my neck out & say it has grown when too warm.
Here we pretty much grow it in the coolest most shady spot we can get, short of growing it actually inside the fridge.
I don’ even bother in the summer.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 7:20 pm

Sfw, coriander is picky. It is very seasonal and likes sandy soil and a bit of shade. I’ve tried many times to grow the stuff and failed. Like dill, it’s quick to mature and the plant is over almost before you have time to harvest it.

I hate to say it but…supermarket.

Parsley, thyme, basil on the other hand… 😀

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

No citation needed because we all know it’s vividly true.

Sure.
Grandma Stuphid isn’t even able to remember her fables. Lol.

you previous murky history.

*citation required.

Indolent
Indolent
January 15, 2023 7:22 pm

Dr. John Campbell.

Rare complications

sfw
sfw
January 15, 2023 7:23 pm

Thanks Salv and Calli, it’s in full arvo sun and has gone to seed very fast. I’ll try again.

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 7:23 pm

Remember when some cats were scoffing about US covid death rates because so many of Americans had multiple comorbities, obesity, diabetes etc?
US death-benefit payouts hit record high in 2021

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 15, 2023 7:26 pm

if most Australians over 60 received Astrazeneca and most excess deaths are in over 60s, how is pfizer to blame?

Deaths from the jabs were rare and a tiny percentage regardless of manufacturer.
You’re assuming without checking that excess deaths were spread evenly across multiple drugs, whereas if amongst the over 60s nobody who got AZ died early and a small percentage of Pfizer jabs did die early, then you may still end up with Pfizer being to blame for most excess deaths over 60. So your question is not rhetorical. It depends on how many got Pfizered.

To close that off you’d just have to show that either nobody over 60 got jabbed with COMIRNATY or that none(or few) of the ones who did had it as cause of death.
I’ve been looking for 45 mins for data on Pfizer doses by age in Australia and I cannot find any.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 15, 2023 7:27 pm

So more people are dying of the coof after the vaxxes were rolled out?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 15, 2023 7:29 pm

coriander is picky.

Puppy used to lay on the coriander in the garden.
Not the mint or rocket, just the coriander.
Needless to say, having the better part of 40kgs lying on you is a form of euthanasia better than any Canadian could provide.

Makka
Makka
January 15, 2023 7:31 pm

but how does cutting up a stiff yield further evidence

They do a lot more than just “cut up”. But like any Govt agency, there is a toe the line narrative and most definitely when it comes to covid. So, if a vaxxed person was found to die due to cardiac arrest, then cardiac arrest it is. Next!

I’ve seen the same in my family with a very untimely and unusual death. The coroners couldn’t give AF.

Personally. I’m certain that there have been cases of healthy people dying from the vaccine alone. Evidence for that is scattered and buried in lies and bs but I am certain it’s true. My certainty arises from knowing the Govts lies and deceptions and the way they behaved that were part of the propaganda surrounding covid and the vaxx. Also the many Billion$ pocketed. We were never told the truth and we never will.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 15, 2023 7:32 pm

Richard Cranium

There are no solutions.
Aborigines are a different Race, it’s totally illogical to expect them to conform with the Societal Norms of the White Race and just plain vicious to blame them when they inevitably fail.

Let’s rephrase that.

There are no solutions.
African Americans are a different Race, it’s totally illogical to expect them to conform with the Societal Norms of the White Race and just plain vicious to blame them when they inevitably fail.

Doesn’t sound so nice now, does it? Are you a racist?

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 7:32 pm

Anyone here grown Coriander?

varied outcomes
best result was when the soil was new and full of much chook poo though, the weather was warmer than now. Had much seed and few good years from that. Tasted great.

last 3 years, not so good.
2021, the bastards ran to seed as soon as they popped up

didnt even bother this year.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 7:33 pm

Eyrie says:
January 15, 2023 at 7:27 pm

So more people are dying of the coof after the vaxxes were rolled out?

Yep. It sounds like these vaxes didn’t exactly set the world on fire in terms of precision. They may have worked for Alpha and Delta but awful with omni.. What’s your point with this comment, Hallward? You’d blame a sprained ankle after taking a wrong step on the vax.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 7:36 pm

I hate to say but…supermarket.

Almost certainly hydroponic and mollycoddled for all its (brief) life. Not surprised it tastes different to anything you grow outside in the dirt. Others are right-hates the heat. Probably not worth the bother. Grown at the right time of year it’s pretty straightforward but won’t be available for your summer noodle salads and rice paper rolls.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 15, 2023 7:37 pm

All the logic and understanding of a chimpanzee. Just piss off. Whoever described your modus operandi earlier today had it right. You add no value to this place.

Indolent
Indolent
January 15, 2023 7:37 pm

Personally. I’m certain that there have been cases of healthy people dying from the vaccine alone. Evidence for that is scattered and buried in lies and bs but I am certain it’s true.

The presentation by Dr. John Campbell I linked above goes a long way towards explaining what is actually happening, particularly in young people. The figures are simply astonishing. It’s based on a large study and the results are in line with other similar studies.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 15, 2023 7:40 pm

BTW, rosie, that was a very confused article. Talks about covid deaths (we know how exaggerated those can be) and also mixes in overall death rates. Pretty bad journalism.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 7:41 pm

Like dill and carrots best grown from seed in situ. (Slighty) less prone to bolt to seed. Again, probably not worth the effort.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 15, 2023 7:43 pm

Coriander depends where you are.

Up here we have wet & dry season crops. Tomatoes & herbs like coriander definitely winter (Dry season which is very Mediterranean climate) type growing, summer (Wet) generally beans and the sorts. As Matrix mentioned chook poo is awesome stuff just don’t overdo it.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 7:44 pm

The coriander we get here (over east :D) is definitely field grown.

How do I know? Gritty, sandy and no vermiculite or other hydroponic media. Where it comes from is anyone’s guess.

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 7:45 pm

I’m certain that there have been cases of healthy people dying from the vaccine alone

I’m certain of that too.
quite a few cases documented, here, in New Zealand, UK etc.

Louis Litt
January 15, 2023 7:45 pm

Sfw – corriander in Adelaide Greco well until Xmas under a outdoor shade cover area.
Now I put it down the dead side of the house which gets morning sun and misses out on the full afternoon sun.

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 7:47 pm

Well it doesn’t fit you narrative so of course it was ‘very confused’.

Robert Sewell
January 15, 2023 7:47 pm

Eyrie:

Duk, they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they didn’t get conned and did something stupid.

That’s it in a nutshell.
Too many think it’s dreadful to be conned. It’s not.
What is dreadful is remaining conned despite the evidence you’ve been had.

crc
crc
January 15, 2023 7:49 pm

What are the odds that that The Voice will be recognised in the next (waste of time and money) referendum? I do not know. But I would bet Australian polymer dollar cash — not CBDCs! — that the vote will be a failure – probably about $200 mn (costs to the taxpayer) of failure. This is not a force of will or emotional persuasion. They have not made their case. And one of the beautiful things about our Constitution is that it requires a significant majority for a constitutional vote to get over the line. And the record of success for constitional votes is small and dismal.

Tom at January 15, 2023 at 3:17 pm: “I’ve had only a lifetime of studying it for a living, especially the failure of referendums. I hope you’re wrong. You may be right.” You are right! Black Ball at January 15, 2023 at 3:38 pm is correct as is Cassie at January 15, 2023 at 4:52 pm.

But this is incorrect: “Australia is now a socialist country that loves big government and hates free enterprise.” It is not socialist, with private property still the dominant means of production. We have too much government and public bureacracy that distorts free market price signals. The second point, though, is true: “that loves big government.” This is a recipe for failure. The Terror of the French Revolution took 10,000+ lives, and lasted only a couple of years. But the spectre of fear is greater than the actual outcome. Pragmatism and common sense, even for lefties in Oz (too comfortable with the goodies that capitalism dishes up) will prevail. Third, “[a]nd hates free enterprise”: I think that there is an in principle aversion to unprincipled business people, but people demonstrate what they love by their revealed preference. And the market economy delivers the goods (which, in the case of the perceived failure of the proletariat to revolt, due to economic oppression, led to the rise of the Frankfurt school, critical theory, postmodernism, and all that passes for political [in-]correctness). Revolutionaries inculcate fear in the name of an abstract equalitarianism, but it ends in failure.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 7:52 pm

if most Australians over 60 received Astrazeneca and most excess deaths are in over 60s, how is pfizer to blame?

Um…

CDC investigating possible link between updated Pfizer Covid vaccine and increased stroke risk among over-65s (14 Jan)

U.S. FDA, CDC see early signal of possible Pfizer bivalent COVID shot link to stroke (14 Jan)

Arse covering is the latest fashion.

(AZ was using the same protein but delivered in a slightly different way.)

Rabz
January 15, 2023 7:52 pm

corianduuuh …

Seriously, Cats?

Good thing there isn’t anything else which just might be alleged to be sinister afoot.

At this rate, some of you will go to your graves after being eckee thoomped on the bonce without even so much as having a clue it was about to happen.

Robert Sewell
January 15, 2023 7:53 pm

Makka:

You think locking people up inside the camps already built is beyond these grubs if they deemed it “for our own good”? They can do it and when they do it will all be legal. Only airheads living is some fantasy existence could think otherwise.

The Laws that allowed the construction and staffing of the Quarantine Camps, and the Laws that allow the government to intern people in them are still on the books.
They’ve never been rescinded.

Indolent
Indolent
January 15, 2023 7:55 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 7:57 pm

I always check the garden for WEF delegates before bed.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 7:58 pm

Are you a coriander-phobe, Rabz? You are in excellent company, so is my daughter.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 7:58 pm

I hadn’t wanted to contribute to the vax arguments but no one else has mentioned that CDC has now fessed up in the last couple days.

The CDC is leftier than Karl Marx btw, which means they’re currently panicking.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 15, 2023 8:00 pm

And one of the beautiful things about our Constitution is that it requires a significant majority for a constitutional vote to get over the line.

“A majority of voters in a majority of States.”

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:00 pm

Uh oh. Just clicked Rabz’ link.

Big Coriander.

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 8:02 pm

down the dead side of the house which gets morning sun and misses out on the full afternoon sun.

we have that same perfect spot

unfortunately the lavender worked this out before I did
and its gone mental this year.
swan-song I think

might be time to re-purpose that garden bed

shame about the spider-wort.
Its gone mental too.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:02 pm

which means they’re currently panicking.

Good. I want them to panic more. Wind…meet the whirlwind.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 8:06 pm

Big Coriander.

Big bugs. The WEF do bugs, not anything edible.
Hopefully all the Davos attendees will pay their indulgences.

German climate researcher Schellnhuber proposes limiting amount of CO2 to 3 tons a person per year & enabling private emissions trading (12 Jan)

Anyone who causes more emissions would have to buy rights

Schellnhuber therefore demands in an interview with the ARD magazine Panoramato introduce an individual CO2 limit and at the same time to enable private trading in CO2 rights. “Everyone gets three tons of CO2 per year, but if you need more, you just have to buy it,” explains the climate scientist – from others who consume less.

Three tonnes per year peoples, beyond that you have sinned.

Frank
Frank
January 15, 2023 8:07 pm

At this rate, some of you will go to your graves after being eckee thoomped on the bonce without even so much as having a clue it was about to happen.

As it happens, I like to think I can retain my cane fighting skills and grow herbs at the same time.

Indolent
Indolent
January 15, 2023 8:08 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 8:13 pm

Sorry, but that’s just a version of the lived experience excuse and we shouldn’t buy that. There are plenty of concerned people without an ax to grind.

Evidence is evidence and it doesn’t discriminate between the lived and un-lived experience.

Yep.
Anecdotes are no substitute for facts and data.
Here’s the thing.
Every death of a young person playing sport anywhere in the world is being picked up by the Indolent network as a vax death.
Do you reckon a junior footballer playing second grade for Upper Bumf*ck High School in Alabama dying on the field would have reached our ears in 2019?
Sure, it makes the Upper Bumf*ck Gazette, but that is the end of it.
But, now?
The story is picked up by a St Ruth type and sent to the Daily Exposé.
Next minute, we got an epidemic (i.e. thirty deaths world-wide).
Previously un-noted deaths are amplified 1,000-fold.

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
January 15, 2023 8:16 pm

I do not weigh in on the vaxx debate simply because most of it is above my education levels, so do not fully understand a lot of it. What I wish is that the ongoing jab, mask mentality still in nursing homes in Brisbane would end. I have fought and debated everyone associated with covid crap for three years refusing to be jabbed and remain the only person in the building still not vaxxed, but it gets tiring .

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 8:20 pm

Good Question

I think the Rino establishment are quite perturbed by the polls, which regularly say that Republican voters will overwhelmingly vote for Trump in the primaries. The numbers have narrowed a little bit but he still has twice the vote that DeSantis does.

Paul Ryan has been throwing is toys out of his pram.

Paul Ryan: Trump Is Fading Fast, He Is A “Proven Loser” And The Republican Party Is Moving Past Him (14 Jan)

In an exclusive interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper, former House Speaker Paul Ryan discusses the future of former President Trump and the Republican Party.

This is hilarious since why would a board member of Fox go on CNN to slag off Trump? It says a lot about Ryan and a lot about Fox and Newscorp. Unfortunately for these elite slugs Trump is the representative of the Republican Tea Party base, not a populist. They desperately want a leader, which the GOP elites are just as desperately trying to prevent.

bons
bons
January 15, 2023 8:21 pm

Question for thems what might know.
Was Robbie McKeown really booted from SBS because he said something that the pof’tas objected to.
I love cycling but Matthew Keenan makes events unwatchable.
Bring back Robbie and harden up ‘tas!

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:29 pm

which means they’re currently panicking.

To add to that…

If Trump looks anything like being a contender for 2024, watch Warp Speed suddenly come under the microscope. It will be the vaxx itself, not the lockdowns and mandates that will come to the fore to damage him.

As I said waaaaay up thread. The whole cloth is being rolled out slowly and the pattern is emerging. It may well get very ugly.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 8:30 pm

Coriander and everything else:
Mulch it with Hay, you can’t go wrong.
Manure, it can work, but at the expense of any fragrance.

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 8:32 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 8:34 pm

watch Warp Speed suddenly come under the microscope

I disagree Calli.
Warp Speed will never have existed.
Too many dangerous skeletons in it.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 15, 2023 8:35 pm

rosie, did you actually bother to read the article you linked? Did you take a moment to analyse it? Did you actually understand what it was saying? It jumps between covid deaths and all cause mortality and back again. If you look it is about all cause mortality in the main. Looks to me like it is trying to obfuscate the non covid increase in deaths.

cohenite
January 15, 2023 8:36 pm

Absolutely brilliant.

Comedian Leaves Oxford Union SPEECHLESS

Yeah; but reason, wit and intellectual argument is not going to win this fight.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 15, 2023 8:37 pm

Wivenhoe- there’s no such thing as a “vaxx debate”.
There’s only a single question.
Should a person be forced to endure a medical procedure in order to be granted free movement, free association and free engagement with the working economy?
To me, there’s only a single answer.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:37 pm

Watching Day of the Jackal. Families are funny things. The young Edward and Lawrence Fox are dead ringers apart from height. Down to mannerisms.

And here’s Timothy West, my King Lear of long ago. It’s a great ensemble cast.

John H.
John H.
January 15, 2023 8:40 pm

wivenhoesays:
January 15, 2023 at 8:16 pm
I do not weigh in on the vaxx debate simply because most of it is above my education levels, so do not fully understand a lot of it

That hasn’t stopped anyone else.

Robert Sewell
January 15, 2023 8:41 pm

Callie:

If Trump looks anything like being a contender for 2024, watch Warp Speed suddenly come under the microscope. It will be the vaxx itself, not the lockdowns and mandates that will come to the fore to damage him.

I’ll keep an eye on that conjecture, if you don’t mind. But I have a very good idea you’re correct. It fits the pattern.

Rabz
January 15, 2023 8:42 pm

WTF happened to us?

The picture’s subject matter appeared way too familiar not to further investigate – it that isn’t Sydney circa 1974, I’ll imbibe my chest rug.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:42 pm

That hasn’t stopped anyone else.

Now that made me laugh. 😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 15, 2023 8:43 pm

And here’s Timothy West, my King Lear of long ago.

Timothy West was to play William Slim – for my money, the greatest soldier the British Army produced during WW2 – Screenplay by George MacDonald Fraser. Pity the film was never made…

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 8:44 pm

Drumpf won’t be the Candidate.
I’d say Yeezy could beat any Democrat, provided CheetoHead doesn’t make a 3rd Party run.

calli
calli
January 15, 2023 8:45 pm

The drug companies won’t care. They were indemnified from the get-go.

It will depend on whether he gets within spitting distance.

Rabz
January 15, 2023 8:49 pm

I do not weigh in on the vaxx debate simply because most of it is above my education levels, so do not fully understand a lot of it
That hasn’t stopped anyone else

Indeed. Because every time big stupid government attempts to make you take some untested toxic chemical cocktail you should willingly submit, given you’re a plebian moron and they* know better.

*Scientistic medical epidemiological experts, purveying “da science**” as she is spoke …

**Straight outta Wuhan

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 8:52 pm

Watching Day of the Jackal

The book was awesome, as was “The Dogs Of War”. I liked the Bruce Willis version also, he was seriously cold and scary. Frederick Forsyth is a righty who often contributes at the The Express.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 8:55 pm

Ed Dowd, successful stock analyst has had a look at the Actuarial Data on Sudden Deaths in America.
[YouTube, from 2:46]

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 8:58 pm

Frederick Forsyth is probably a spook and/or a flamer.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 15, 2023 8:59 pm

Frederick Forsyth is a righty who often contributes at the The Express.

He wrote a very good account of the Nigerian /Biafran war.

Delta A
Delta A
January 15, 2023 9:01 pm

wivenhoesays:
January 15, 2023 at 8:16 pm

Good on you, wivenhoe!

Robert Sewell
January 15, 2023 9:02 pm

Calli:

The drug companies won’t care. They were indemnified from the get-go.

I wonder if the drug companies being caught lying may well negate their immunity?
That, by the way isn’t a legal supposition – it’s a political one. If the wolves are gaining on the Troika, you can bet there’s a nasty decision to be made soon.

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 9:03 pm

Yep.
Anecdotes are no substitute for facts and data.

can you even hear yourself?

… you stupid woman

FMD

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 15, 2023 9:04 pm

Zulu – The research about West Africa and the sixties Congolese insurgency that he must’ve done for The Dogs Of War would’ve been extremely extensive. Nearly non fiction!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 9:05 pm

Keep solderin’ on, Champ!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 9:06 pm

From Ed Dowd @ 13:41 talks Actuarial Data:
Excess deaths for 18-44 is 36% … 36%

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 9:09 pm

and sancho … you keep right on delivering those facts.

sooner or later you’ll right about something for sure

tosser

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 9:13 pm

“The vaccine was not brought in for Covid. Covid was brought in for the vaccine. Once you understand that, everything makes sense.”

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 9:14 pm

wivenhoesays:
January 15, 2023 at 8:16 pm
I do not weigh in on the vaxx debate simply because most of it is above my education levels, so do not fully understand a lot of it

That hasn’t stopped anyone else.

Indeed John H. A dangerous precedent.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 9:18 pm

Have another Vaxxine, Bear.
It’s on me.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 9:18 pm

Before there was regression analyses there was anecdotal evidence. Don’t like anecdotes? Run a regression on them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 15, 2023 9:20 pm

Is your medicine better than you law Groogs?

MatrixTransform
January 15, 2023 9:25 pm

Before there was regression analyses there was anecdotal evidence

is an anecdote the same thing as anecdotal evidence?

…trying to help a friend

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 15, 2023 9:25 pm

Try speaking English, bear.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 9:27 pm

Eyrie says:
January 15, 2023 at 7:37 pm

All the logic and understanding of a chimpanzee. Just piss off. Whoever described your modus operandi earlier today had it right. You add no value to this place.

Shit, then I’d be like you, Hallward.

Citing Denninger, coming up with ridiculous assertions with no backing is your modis. You’re blind to the possibility that you could be wrong.

The other day was also revealing when Snachez tore you a new one on the very subject you suggest you know something about. You’re worse than useless and always will be. Zero respect.

Frank
Frank
January 15, 2023 9:32 pm

Before there was regression analyses there was anecdotal evidence

For all the value of calculating the norm it pays to remember that you are an anecdote once you catch it.

cohenite
January 15, 2023 9:33 pm

You’re not funny crotchless; except when you’re not trying to be funny.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 9:34 pm

Let me posit a new possibility. And I’m not ascribing to this but just raising it as a possibility seeing the data is basically useless.
What if there’s a third thing killing people adding to excess deaths? Something that, because we’re so focused on Covid and the vax killing people we’re blind to the possibility of third possibility – even a fourth.

A while ago I read (I forget who it was) that stress should be considered because people have become totally stressed out over the past three years. Stress has always been considered a source for heart attacks and strokes. I would hazard to guess that over the past three years people have been uber-stressed. Why isn’t that possible?

cohenite
January 15, 2023 9:38 pm
dopey
dopey
January 15, 2023 9:45 pm

The puppy would lie on coriander. Men would prefer rosemary.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 9:46 pm

Whoops.
we’re blind to a third possibility

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 9:49 pm

Autopsies will yield the truth……..How so? Someone dies of a stroke or a heart attack. An autopsy would disclose that, but how does cutting up a stiff yield further evidence? Evidence at least that it was vax related.

The US pathologist Ryan Cole has discussed this extensively: there are microscopic tissue pathology techniques which can show up spike proteins in the heart muscle, as well as the resultant inflammatory response of the body to them. The presence of spike proteins in the heart muscle is strong evidence for at least asymptomatic myocarditis (asymptomatic until it kills you of course).

For that matter, if vaxes are said not to offer any protection against getting covid, how do we know covid didn’t kill the person?

Again, Ryan Cole discusses this. There are not only ‘histopatholological’ ways of detecting spike proteins in the heart, there are similar techniques for other parts of the virus, eg the nucleocapsid protein. If the analysis shows spike proteins AND nucleocapsid in the heart, that is evidence of covid infection itself in the heart*, whereas spike proteins alone is evidence of a vaxxine source, not the full infection.

*this is all somewhat moot however, as recent data shows that covid infection itself generally does not cause myocarditis, whereas the covid vaxxes do.

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 9:51 pm

Ryan Cole
‘Sigh’

rosie
rosie
January 15, 2023 9:58 pm

I keep suggesting anti vaxx ideology is remarkably similar to climate change ideology.
Right down to calling people who point out contradictory evidence ‘deniers’.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 9:58 pm

Please!
A little respeck.
I am a God and people shit themselves in fear and awe when I walk into the room.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 9:59 pm

Duk

We’re being hypothetical here because autopsies aren’t cheap and we’re not going to get to the stage where we perform autopsies in a way that would satisfy both sides of the argument. The vax issue is donesky, we’re not going back to that era in the foreseeable future and now all the vaxing that is required under the old regime has been done.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:00 pm

“The vaccine was not brought in for Covid. Covid was brought in for the vaccine. Once you understand that, everything makes sense.”. ……. Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

I’m not to far of that conclusion myself because it is pretty clear the whole covid response coalesced into a *vax* campaign, not a *defeat covid* campaign. Furthermore, it was really a ‘get the original Wuhan spike into you’ campaign, not just a vax campaign.

Exhibits A- X

Instead of letting it pass through the population and be done with in a year or 2 (like every previous flu etc) whole populations were locked down, at horrendous economic and personal cost, to delay that until the vax was rolled out

Despite there *never* being a ‘safe and effective’ coronavirus vaccine before, they managed to rush out at least 4 within a year or so, then mandated their use

Every vax chose the Spike protein (not any of the other proteins) as the antigen, despite there being obvious concerns about toxicity and rapid mutation.

Even after the original Wuhan strain was long extinct, they kept rolling out the mRNA coding for the Wuhan strain – even up to today with the ‘bivalent’ shots, where one of the 2 antigens is the original wuhan spike

All of the usual reasons for NOT vaccinating any given individual were dis-allowed
– personal refusal
– pregnant
– already had and recovered from the natural disease
– allergy or other severe reaction to the first shot
– not at significant risk from the natural disease (young and fit etc)

Something very sinister has gone on here….

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:00 pm

Duk

We’re being hypothetical here because autopsies aren’t cheap and we’re not going to get to the stage where we perform autopsies in a way that would satisfy both sides of the argument. The vax issue is donesky, we’re not going back to that era in the foreseeable future and now all the vaxing that was required under the old regime has been done.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 15, 2023 10:04 pm

Just back from Perf accompanying Her Ladyship browsing a series of weekend markets, the car boot now filled with a mountain of other people’s junk including an appalling “dot painting” that looks like someone had a technicolour yawn from about a metre from piece of plywood. (Her pick, not mine).

However, among the hours of boredom, heat, flies and junk mountains, a jewel emerged, now safely in the shed at Casa Pedro, i.e. an original British Royal Navy cutlass, dated 1901.

The 30 inch blade is pretty rusty and battered about, but overall in good condition, unfortunately the leather scabbard looks beyond repair. Brass handle is filthy green, but in good nick under the verdigris. Bargain at $65.

Should I get the wire wheel and sander out or leave it in original ratty condition?

A spot above the lounge room fireplace already picked out.

Very classy, just like Downton Abbey.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:09 pm

This link suggests an autopsy cost around US$3k to US$5k around 12 years ago. Consider the inflation rate, the time value of money and the need to bunch up a lot of stiffs and we’d be talking around $US$20K per stiff or more. Not going to happen.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/post-mortem/things-to-know/autopsy-101.html

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 10:10 pm

including an appalling “dot painting” that looks like someone had a technicolour yawn from about a metre from piece of plywood. (Her pick, not mine).

I think “her pick, not mine” is kind of redundant.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:12 pm

You could stiff sample though, so why is that happening, Duk?

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:13 pm

What if there’s a third thing killing people adding to excess deaths? …..stress should be considered because people have become totally stressed out over the past three years. Stress has always been considered a source for heart attacks and strokes. I would hazard to guess that over the past three years people have been uber-stressed. Why isn’t that possible?

Its possible, but the vax is a better candidate because of the STRONG temporal relationship* between sudden deaths and the administration of the vax. This holds at both the individual level (the majority of severe adverse events events reported to VAERS were in the first day or 2 after the shot -if it was an unrelated cause , there should have been no temporal relationship to the shot), and the population level – there is a striking spike in sudden deaths in most highly vaxxed populations AFTER the rollout of the vax campaigns.

* This strong temporal relationship is one of the key ‘Bradford Hill’ criteria in epidemiology.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 15, 2023 10:15 pm

Pedro.
Maybe just give it a light hit with a brush, and a little something to protect it.
A dullish burnished patina might look better than bright metal (even if you could get it back to that).

132andBush
132andBush
January 15, 2023 10:22 pm

Sarcasm, albeit one of the lower forms of wit, seems dead these days.

rickw
rickw
January 15, 2023 10:22 pm

Should I get the wire wheel and sander out or leave it in original ratty condition?

I wouldn’t go near it with a wire wheel or sander. Maybe oil and scotchbright by hand. Do a bit of YouTubing on sword restoration, you might find some good tips on walking the line between making more presentable and preserving the patina.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:23 pm

This holds at both the individual level (the majority of severe adverse events events reported to VAERS were in the first day or 2 after the shot ,

Duk

Has anyone done a study on this very point? How many deaths with similar symptoms have occurred a couple of days after the shot? That would be quite revealing I think.

rickw
rickw
January 15, 2023 10:24 pm

Something very sinister has gone on here….

Indeed.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:26 pm

We’re being hypothetical here because autopsies aren’t cheap and we’re not going to get to the stage where we perform autopsies in a way that would satisfy both sides of the argument.

ALL vehicle accident cases have autopsies in this country, despite there rarely being any doubt about what happened (I know, I went to hundreds of them when I worked in the Road Crash Unit) At those autopsies, a whole variety of tissue samples are taken. There is no reason this could not be extended to other ‘sudden deaths’, indeed what arguement could you make for NOT doing so, if you do so for vehicle accidents?

The vax issue is donesky, we’re not going back to that era in the foreseeable future and now all the vaxing that is required under the old regime has been done.

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you, one of the reasons they are so desperate for the whole mRNA campaign to be a success is because the tech is so versatile it will then be rolled out for every ‘vaccine’ in the future, as well as many other uses besides.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:26 pm
rickw
rickw
January 15, 2023 10:32 pm

I would hazard to guess that over the past three years people have been uber-stressed. Why isn’t that possible?

Possible, government / msm propaganda machine was in overdrive telling people they would die. It’s quite possible that it’s not one thing alone.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:33 pm

Has anyone done a study on this very point? How many deaths with similar symptoms have occurred a couple of days after the shot? That would be quite revealing I think.

Yes, the VAERS data not only shows huge numbers of adverse events after the COVID shots, and that these cluster within about 2 or 3 days post injection.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:34 pm

Duck

Road fatalities in the country are about 1200 or so. It’s a far cry from 20,000 excess deaths.

Okay fair enoug I agree with you, but I still think it’s too late.

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you, one of the reasons they are so desperate for the whole mRNA campaign to be a success is because the tech is so versatile it will then be rolled out for every ‘vaccine’ in the future, as well as many other uses besides.

Is the platform unsafe because of Covid being embedded or because mRNA itself is suspected to be unsafe.

I’ve read some pharma reports very hopeful in using it to administer med for cancer.

Frank
Frank
January 15, 2023 10:35 pm

Sarcasm, albeit one of the lower forms of wit, seems dead these days.

Please, do elaborate.

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:36 pm

Yes, the VAERS data not only shows huge numbers of adverse events after the COVID shots, and that these cluster within about 2 or 3 days post injection.

Duk, VAERS is a collection point and the data needs to be curated. It’s basically a notice board so we have to be careful. I’d take not notice until it’s cleaned up.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 15, 2023 10:40 pm

Should I get the wire wheel and sander out or leave it in original ratty condition?

Rust converter, Singer machine oil and a fine oil stone.
Brasso and tooth brush for the bright work.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 15, 2023 10:41 pm

However, among the hours of boredom, heat, flies and junk mountains, a jewel emerged, now safely in the shed at Casa Pedro, i.e. an original British Royal Navy cutlass, dated 1901.

So, if we hear of a would be housebreaker, horribly mutilated by an edged weapon, we take it your cutlass has drawn blood?

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:45 pm

Is the platform unsafe because of Covid being embedded or because mRNA itself is suspected to be unsafe.

There are multiple safety concerns:

1) Firstly, those that relate to the delivery system (the lipid nanoparticle) – these can be highly inflammatory and are *designed* to cross barriers which are not meant to be crossed. One early hope was that they would carry chemotherapy agents into the brain (a space which is notoriously hard to get into and with good reason – you have a ‘blood brain barrier’ to stop bioactive molecules getting into the brain.)

2) then there is the payload itself – the mRNA, and the protein it codes for. Not only might the protein be dangerous (exhibit A, the spike), but there is a LOT of variability about dosage – we really dont know how long the mRNA persists or even if it can be ‘reverse transcribed’ into your genome itself. Of course, the ‘experts’ say none of these are a concern.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 15, 2023 10:46 pm

A lot of early British cutlasses don’t have scabbards, and don’t have bright blades. They were kept in deck cases so they could be snatched up at a moments notice in the event of boarding.

I have a nice 1804 model double-disc cutlass in my collection – looks like the one in this article; 3rd pic down.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:47 pm

I’d take not notice until it’s cleaned up.

you mean ‘homogenised’ , like the temperature record?

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 10:53 pm

flyingduk says:
January 15, 2023 at 10:45 pm

Thanks for the explanation, Duk.

Surely, Pharma would be very very careful with non-covid stuff though as they wouldn’t receive blanket cover from lawsuits (unlike covid).

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 10:53 pm

Is the platform unsafe because of Covid being embedded or because mRNA itself is suspected to be unsafe.

And right on cue, John Campbell discussing mRNA concerns

https://rumble.com/v25hl0a-science-problems-with-mrna-vaccine.html

cohenite
January 15, 2023 11:00 pm

Instead of letting it pass through the population and be done with in a year or 2 (like every previous flu etc) whole populations were locked down, at horrendous economic and personal cost, to delay that until the vax was rolled out

It was made in a lab, the chunks and fauci had the vaccine patent ready and then it got loose. I allow one thing: the previous 2 iterations, SARS and MERS were deadly and extremely deadly across all cohorts but not contagious. They knew this bastard was contagious but didn’t know how deadly. So, as a concession I support not shooting the culprits in the liver but between the eyes: quick as opposed to slow and painful. Speaking of which a mate bought one of these:

https://www.horsleyparkgunshop.com.au/product/15218-cz-515-tactical-straight-pull-22lr

JC
JC
January 15, 2023 11:04 pm

It was made in a lab, the chunks and fauci had the vaccine patent ready and then it got loose.

The lab part is likely, but you’re suggesting Fauci and the Chinese had a vaccine patent even before it spread? Cronkite please.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 15, 2023 11:04 pm

Thanks for that link re cutlasses, Top Ender. Very informative.
I suspect that the scabbard that came with the cutlass is a late addition. It looks a bit “home made” with rotting hand stitching and a steel tip guard that has numerous dents.

The blade looks like high carbon steel under the rust, more blackish tinge than bright.

Project time ahead.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 11:06 pm

https://www.horsleyparkgunshop.com.au/product/15218-cz-515-tactical-straight-pull-22lr

I had one of these but got rid of it. Not only was it a bastard to disassemble for cleaning, but it jammed a LOT. They were a bastard work around for countries where the full auto models were verboten.

I went for a lever action 357 for my ‘rapid fire’ closegun after that 😉

cohenite
January 15, 2023 11:12 pm

The lab part is likely, but you’re suggesting Fauci and the Chinese had a vaccine patent even before it spread? Cronkite please.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-scientist-filed-covid-vaccine-patent-after-contagion-emerged-report/

cohenite
January 15, 2023 11:14 pm

I had one of these but got rid of it.

I don’t care about lack of functionality and general uselessness; I go on appearance: that’s why I’m attracted to head prefect.

For reliability I have a Beretta 9mm.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 15, 2023 11:23 pm

I tried out one of the Adler straight pull shotguns in 12 ga.
Not impressed, very stiff action and awkward to use.

Lever action .22 will fire near as quickly as a semi auto.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 11:33 pm

I tried out one of the Adler straight pull shotguns in 12 ga.
Not impressed, very stiff action and awkward to use.

Yep, I had one of those too, and got rid of it also. Cheap cheap cheap, made of junk metal.

Lever action .22 will fire near as quickly as a semi auto.

Yep, but a Lever 357 hits a bit harder 😉

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 15, 2023 11:41 pm

I tried out one of the Adler straight pull shotguns in 12 ga.
Not impressed, very stiff action and awkward to use.

This is my current shotty

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/akker-triple-barrel-shotguns-arrival-caused-alarm/news-story/63428645be19e93e4d05e0ef1bfdcae6

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 15, 2023 11:54 pm

Oh dear, duk.

Three barrels?

Plod will having the vapours over that thing.

Bruce in WA
January 15, 2023 11:56 pm

I tried out one of the Adler straight pull shotguns in 12 ga.
Not impressed, very stiff action and awkward to use.

WAPOL crushed my 12g (thanks, Howard — spit). OK, it was only a Bentley pump with a 20″ barrel — nothing special.

But it shot true and digested anything I put in it. Saved us from an alcoholic ex-husband with an axe one night, too. And the mongrel bastards crushed it.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

WAPOL crushed my 12g (thanks, Howard — spit).

Never forgive. Never forget.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 16, 2023 12:07 am

Don’t start me on the Great Gun Grab of 1996, Bruce.

Heirloom DB 12ga pump Gold Medal went to the crushers.
That shotty fed two generations of families, defended the home against snakes both slithery and two legged and that shifty mongrel Howard decided that it was a “menace to society” and stole it.

27 years later I still get a Red Cloud of Blood over that travesty of justice.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 16, 2023 12:09 am

Whoops, not the DB shotty, Browning pump action.

The DB is still in the family.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 16, 2023 12:32 am

Guns and cutlasses debated on the Cat.

Mint.

‘nite all.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 16, 2023 12:49 am

From The Oz. Twiggy clearly has a bunch of yes men working for him as should never have got involved with this pipe dream from the start.

“One of Andrew Forrest’s key ­executives has described Sun Cable’s marquee project – the proposed 4200km connection to pump green energy from the Northern Territory to Singapore – as “not commercially viable” as the iron ore magnate considers whether to buy the company.

Sun Cable, the country’s most ambitious solar and battery project, fell into administration on Wednesday after a growing rift between its two billionaire backers – Dr Forrest and Atlassian co-founder Mike Cannon-Brookes.

While Mr Cannon-Brookes, through his Grok Ventures investment vehicle, has been critical of Dr Forrest and accused him of wanting to kill the central element of the project, Dr Forrest, who had invested through his private Squadron Energy business, has until now remained silent on what specifically caused the dispute.

On Sunday, however, Squadron chairman John Hartman said the company had undertaken a “comprehensive technical and ­financial analysis that included listening to customer feedback” and “concluded that Sun Cable’s Australia-Asia PowerLink project is not commercially viable”.

“However, Squadron continues to believe in the vision for a game changing solar and battery project in the North Territory’s Barkly region, including the proposed connection to Darwin,” said Mr Hartman, who is also the chief executive of Dr Forrest’s Tattarang investment company.

“As Australia’s largest renewable energy company, Squadron is best placed to help Australia become a green energy exporting superpower by generating renewable energy to produce green ­hydrogen and green ammonia.”

So dies that mean going to supply Darwin but not Singapore ?

rickw
rickw
January 16, 2023 1:31 am

Exploding hammer festival, completely nuts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PpO0KRPHrM

rickw
rickw
January 16, 2023 1:33 am

I tried out one of the Adler straight pull shotguns in 12 ga.
Not impressed, very stiff action and awkward to use.

I found my tube mag one to be ok. I got a bigger handle for it. Was pretty slick out of the box.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 16, 2023 2:12 am

So does that mean going to supply Darwin but not Singapore ?

Of course.

If the NT gubberment gives them several lazy billion, they will build a technically unviable but working solar farm, big cable, and battery for Darwin. The gov will sell the power at a huge price to the hapless residents – there is no alternative up there – and crow about “renewables”, while ignoring the fact the present gas-powered system is perfectly capable of being left alone.

Labor isn’t up for election in the NT until 24 August 2024, when they’ll probably be dumped. This way it will be locked in and they will have achieved a project which will give them green credentials all over Oz.

Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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January 16, 2023 4:18 am
Robert Sewell
January 16, 2023 5:18 am

Pedro the Loofah:

Should I get the wire wheel and sander out or leave it in original ratty condition?

Don’t touch it!
Get it professionally restored by a reputable restorer.
Too much old stuff is rooted by amateur restorers, and God only knows what you’ll find under the tarnish.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2023 5:41 am

Regarding ‘Australia being a socialist country’, we are actually less socialist than we were 40 years ago but less free. Banks, telephone, airlines are government owned back then. Cultural marxism is what ails as was correctly pointed out above.

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2023 5:47 am

miltonfsays:
January 16, 2023 at 5:41 am

Cronie capitalism or when confronting a green “fascism”.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2023 5:54 am

And some ‘privatisations’ are beyond absurd when the ‘private company’ is owned by a foreign government. eg John Holland. Companies like Boston Consulting clean up big time when these ‘privatisations’ take place. Makes me wanna puke.

Robert Sewell
January 16, 2023 5:54 am

Holocaust Survivor In Hiding After Being Ordered to Psychiatric Institution by German Court, Faces Forced Covid Vaccine

Renowned Jewish composer and Holocaust survivor Inna Zhvanetskaya is reportedly in hiding with friends after efforts by German authorities to send her to a psychiatric institution where forced Covid vaccines would be administered.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/holocaust-survivor-hiding-ordered-psychiatric-institution-german-court-faces-forced-covid-vaccine/
They don’t seem to learn do they? It’s either Black Fascists or Green Fascists.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2023 5:57 am

Yes cronie capitalism too. THe electricity sector has been violated by spivs and lawyers.

rosie
rosie
January 16, 2023 6:34 am

Maybe living ‘independently’ isn’t the best solution for people with disabilities.
Bill Shorten more money please.
another tale of woe

calli
calli
January 16, 2023 6:38 am

I’ll add my voice to the “do not polish” crowd. That patina on the sword is what it’s all about. Even the old scabbard is valuable as it is, minus dirt that you can remove with a soft brush.

It isn’t going on parade but on display – as something old. No facelifts required.

rosie
rosie
January 16, 2023 6:42 am
sfw
sfw
January 16, 2023 6:46 am

bons, re SBS abd cycling. when SBS first started covering the tour it was the only way Aussies could get coverage aside from some rare newspaper reports. Phil Liggett was and remains the best cycling commentator in the world, why SBS dropped him is a mystery. Robbie McEwan is very good and has specialist knowledge. The problem is that their current coverage is too woke and too long with not much racing. I haven’t watched it since they bought in some female commentator, she was an arrogant, know all who knew little.

With youtube there’s no need to watch SBS at all, there’s heaps of free coverage of most European racing. Chris Horner is good, others I suggest are the ‘Lanterne Rouge’ and GCN, unfortunately GCN is a bit wankery and loves putting women on to explain what’s happening. There’s a few others as well. I don’t follow aussie racing much but read about it rather than watch.

If you think I’m harsh on women, perhaps I am. I have a long association with cycle racing, going back to when I was 12. I have also been President, Secretary and Treasurer of one of Australia’s oldest cycling clubs as well as a life member. We always encouraged women to ride and compete and assisted them where we could, it’s great to see so many having a crack nowdays.

The problem is that they couldn’t ride out of sight on a dark night compared to the men, You would only watch it if you had an interest in the people racing. In our local group of clubs we generally had combines for club racing, one of Australia’s best known and most successful female riders (in the 90’s) used to race with us on occasion. There weren’t enough women to run a separate race, so she rode B grade at club level. Now admittedly she wasn’t at her peak but she was still a top female racer, that’s why you wouldn’t watch it.

sfw
sfw
January 16, 2023 6:48 am

miltonf – “Regarding ‘Australia being a socialist country’, we are actually less socialist than we were 40 years ago but less free. Banks, telephone, airlines are government owned back then.”

Exactly we are now well on the road to fascism not a free and open society. All our governments are moving further down the fascist road. Dan Andrews the prime example, the other leaders see it and want to follow.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 16, 2023 7:00 am

I see that ridiculous old poof Elton John, who as an aside was clearly the wardrobe inspiration behind Austen Powers, is having a last crack at siphoning cash from the gullible under the guise of a ‘farewell tour’.

Just piss off you elderly cock fondler.

calli
calli
January 16, 2023 7:00 am

Thought for the day

“When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.”
? Herman Wouk

Pretty much describes modern life.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2023 7:01 am

Here we go.
Another adventure in the middle east is coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-15/man-arrested-over-uranium-found-at-heathrow?srnd=premium-asia

Man Arrested Under Terror Law After Uranium Found at Heathrow

A man has been arrested under terrorism laws after traces of uranium were found in a cargo package at Heathrow Airport, police said.

Border Force officers found the radioactive material with a shipment of scrap metal on December 29 which, according to the Sun newspaper, had originated in Pakistan and was bound for Iranians in the UK.

No doubt the Iranians are up to no good, but please.
Try harder when building a narrative for war.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2023 7:03 am

Wow. My hunch is without any rare predispositions, the psilocybin DMT would be most beneficial.

Maybe LSD needs to be given as LSA?

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.749068/full

MINI REVIEW article

Front. Pharmacol., 27 January 2022

Sec. Neuropharmacology
https://doi.org/10.3389/fphar.2021.749068

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Danilo De Gregorio1†
Gabbi Gobbi1,2*
1Neurobiological Psychiatry Unit, Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, Montreal, QC, Canada
2McGill University Health Centre, McGill University, Montreal, QC, Canada

Recent clinical and preclinical evidence points towards empathogenic and prosocial effects elicited by psychedelic compounds, notably the serotonin 5-HT2A agonists lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), psilocybin, N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), and their derivatives. These findings suggest a therapeutic potential of psychedelic compounds for some of the behavioural traits associated with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), a neurodevelopmental condition characterized by atypical social behaviour. In this review, we highlight evidence suggesting that psychedelics may potentially ameliorate some of the behavioural atypicalities of ASD, including reduced social behaviour and highly co-occurring anxiety and depression. Next, we discuss dysregulated neurobiological systems in ASD and how they may underlie or potentially limit the therapeutic effects of psychedelics. These phenomena include: 1) synaptic function, 2) serotonergic signaling, 3) prefrontal cortex activity, and 4) thalamocortical signaling. Lastly, we discuss clinical studies from the 1960s and 70s that assessed the use of psychedelics in the treatment of children with ASD. We highlight the positive behavioural outcomes of these studies, including enhanced mood and social behaviour, as well as the adverse effects of these trials, including increases in aggressive behaviour and dissociative and psychotic states (ahhh, errr, umm). Despite preliminary evidence, further studies are needed to determine whether the benefits of psychedelic treatment in ASD outweigh the risks associated with the use of these compounds in this population, and if the 5-HT2A receptor may represent a target for social-behavioural disorders.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2023 7:13 am

Privatisation is easy.

Make the thing a corporation (say the ABC, Post Office, SBS or NSW electricity involvement). Give citizens of where the thing resides equal amount of shares in the entity.

Let people sell their shares for a hypothecated cash value on the handover date. Others can subscribe for more at that price on a queue and lottery system.

Don’t buy private businesses like Gillard did.

Otherwise sell it to the highest bidder with minimal ticket clipping (like land).

If Phatty Adams and his ebony Kween want to slay and run the ABC, let them. No one else shall ever be forced to find their delusional bull crap.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 16, 2023 7:14 am

The Hun informs me Dean Laidley is having a doco made on his career as a transgender advocate.

Looking forward to the bit where he’s a methed-up dress-wearer, jacking off in the street outside women’s houses in the middle of the night.

Hopefully that will form part of his keynote address at the opening of Pride Week.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2023 7:16 am

What will it take for people to snap? When they come for our gas stoves? Just remember, gas was supposed to be the “transitional energy”, the fuel to replace coal, because it was cleaner and because it had less emissions. Now it’s being demonised even more than coal. Oh and note the silence from the always feeble and wimpish Liberals and Nationals on this, they have nothing to say so presumably they agree. I’m reminded of how, two and a half years ago, I confronted a then sitting Liberal with the question “are the Liberals going to sit back and allow gas to be demonised the way they sat back for over a decade and allowed coal to be demonised?” His response? He nodded in agreement with me, but he had nothing to say about the Liberal’s supineness, inertia and cowardice.

If anything proves this hysteria has nothing to do with cutting carbon emissions, it’s this latest demonisation of gas and the gas stove. It’s a protracted campaign designed to destroy economies, to impoverish us and to starve us.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 16, 2023 7:22 am

Regarding ‘Australia being a socialist country’, we are actually less socialist than we were 40 years ago but less free.
We’ve replaced socialism with the fascist flavoured version. Even less freedom.

sfw
sfw
January 16, 2023 7:23 am

Cassie, it’s obvious that neither party and few of our elites associate themselves with ordinary aussies. They see themselves as citizens of the world and owe their allegiance to the world, not their country. I have no idea how as to how to unwind this. Trump seems to have had a crack and they did everything they could and still can to destroy him.

I said recently how James Delingpole is descending into a mad world of conspiracy theories, one of his main points is that no one gets elected to positions of leadership in politics and big business unless they are approved by a shadowy cabal. It sounds ridiculous but sometimes I wonder.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2023 7:27 am

“I said recently how James Delingpole is descending into a mad world of conspiracy theories, one of his main points is that no one gets elected to positions of leadership in politics and big business unless they are approved by a shadowy cabal. It sounds ridiculous but sometimes I wonder.”

I’ve never been one for rabbit hole conspiracy theories but I actually now agree with James Delingpole about a lot of things.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 16, 2023 7:30 am

Make the thing a corporation (say the ABC, Post Office, SBS or NSW electricity involvement). Give citizens of where the thing resides equal amount of shares in the entity.
The problem with that is that you think the government owns these things on our behalf. They don’t. They own them on their own behalf until it becomes a liability, when they sell it off to their mates who then gouge the public.
It really exposes the philosophy of government in Australia. There is “The Government” which operates for its own benefit which is a separate entity from “The Peasants” who are farmed by the former for the tax revenue.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2023 7:34 am

I don’t care what the deep state thinks. I have to be aware of it, but I pay it no mind.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2023 7:40 am

“I don’t care what the deep state thinks. I have to be aware of it, but I pay it no mind.”

You will when they come knocking on your door.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 16, 2023 7:44 am

The alternative to being taken from your home by strangers at the age of 4, placed in an Institution, raped, placed in other Institutions, raped, coming to the notice of Police, placed in an Institution, raped, going to Jail and dying at an early age?

FMD the arsehole really said this. A smear on every adoptive couple, including my parents and Chris yesterday.
Care to offer any of the flimsiest evidence or as I suspect, just being an antagonistic moron?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 16, 2023 7:49 am

Woollies in Alice Springs’ largest shopping centre has got to the point where theft and being dickheads in public – by the usual suspects – resulted in them closing all the roller doors at the store entrance with the exception of a small one, now used as both an entry and exit.

Strangely, this is not reported in the media.

It’s probably something to do with NAIDOC Week.

Indolent
Indolent
January 16, 2023 8:00 am

It was made in a lab, the chunks and fauci had the vaccine patent ready and then it got loose.

The lab part is likely, but you’re suggesting Fauci and the Chinese had a vaccine patent even before it spread? Cronkite please.

Not sure about the vaccine patent but they definitely had patents on every part of the virus so it’s not impossible.

Lurx
January 16, 2023 8:03 am

Being arrested for social media post.
News in England…. but bold hat for Melbournians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r7GRx8Sl-s

Lurx
January 16, 2023 8:07 am

Thats… Old Hat for Melbournians.

Freedom of speech…. seems like Russia is far from the bad guys.
In more ways than one

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 16, 2023 8:07 am

Madeline Bower and Clare Armstrong bring this from the Daily Telegraph:

Aboriginal leaders will travel to every corner of NSW next month to inform local communities about the Voice to Parliament amid concern about a lack of grassroots consultation.

The federal government and supporters of the upcoming referendum enshrining an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice are at risk of losing the “yes” vote in the face of a growing tide of discontent from Indigenous elders over the issue.

The Telegraph spoke to elders, in both the yes and no camps, who said there had been insufficient discussion with their communities.

Opposition leader Peter Dutton said the issue had potential to derail the yes case.

NSW Aboriginal Land Council chair Danny Chapman said a travelling information campaign would kick off on February 14.

“We’ll have the proper information for people to let them know what the Voice means for them and how it will improve their say on their country,” he said.

“I will relay any concerns to the national engagement working group.”

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney said she and other senior colleagues – including Prime Minister Anthony Albanese – would also be travelling widely to hear from communities before the referendum this year.

“We still have a mountain to climb, and we are not complacent about this referendum,” she said.

But Mr Dutton said the Prime Minister was “showing arrogance and disrespect to Australians in not releasing the Voice detail”.

“It turns out now the … lack of engagement extends to Indigenous Australians,” he said.

(Article said ‘Uncle’ but I won’t add it here) Kelvin Brown, of the Gamilaraay Nation at Inverell, said a constitutionally enshrined Voice would benefit his community but felt more work needed to be done to get local communities on board.

“We have to make sure that it (the Voice) recognises that there are cultural differences between different mobs and different families,” he said.

“What we don’t want and what we’ve always been getting is someone else making decisions on our behalf because they think they know what is best for us.”

Aunty Lynne Holten, a Dunghutti elder from Kempsey, said she planned to vote “no” in the referendum as she believed the Uluru Statement of the Heart, from which the Voice proposal emerged, did not reflect her community’s wishes.

“They didn’t consult with us, they didn’t talk with us, they didn’t speak with our leaders,” she said.

Tatum Moore, from the Wiradjuri, Yorta Yorta, Barkindji-Gurnu and Kunja Yinna Nations (chortle, can only be from one) near Dubbo, said she was a strong “yes” vote, but also wanted to see more community engagement.

“But I also think we shouldn’t lose sight of the principle … because I believe if the Voice is successful we’ll be able to be a part of that co-design of how the advisory body should run,” she said.

Indolent
Indolent
January 16, 2023 8:08 am
flyingduk
flyingduk
January 16, 2023 8:09 am

I said recently how James Delingpole is descending into a mad world of conspiracy theories

Us conspiracy theorists prefer the term ‘forecasters’.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
January 16, 2023 8:10 am

Lever action .22 will fire near as quickly as a semi auto.

Yep, but a Lever 357 hits a bit harder ?

I highly recommend an IMI Timber Wolf if you can your hands on it.
Pump action 357 mag
Build quality and action are nice.

Indolent
Indolent
January 16, 2023 8:16 am

This popped up when I opened Edge. These things only go mainstream when they want them to.

The swamp comes for Joe Biden

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