2,554 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tue 24 Jan 2023”

  1. We’ve been too rich to have to deal with reality; wokeness is about living in a fantasy world. Something a society can do only briefly as it squanders its wealth on lunatic dreams.

    Spot on, DrBeauGan.

    As the late Robin Williams once joked about cocaine: it’s God’s way of telling you you have too much damned money.

    Woke is rich people’s fantasy politics — supercharged by hyper-moralistic intolerance.

    There is no woke (and all its fantasies like climate change) in the majority of the human population outside of the West — the majority that’s aspirational and building a future that doesn’t include poverty for the family.

    Woke is for the world’s richest people with more money than sense — easy to mistake for the end of a civilisation.

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  2. back again! .. grass dun before it gets to hot .. thankfully! .. my back garden sits atop a storm-water pipe junction .. it’s bigger than some “parks” around here .. not a task I look forward too .. takes more out of me than a 1km swim ..!
    And on Oz Day, the rest of you, enjoy whatever your doing .. any cats going to Parramatta Park and venturing into the food stalls .. keep an eye out for BLACK BEAR BBQ my eldest daughter owns the franchise and both her and my youngest will be on serving duties …..

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  3. I don’t care if Gaetz is gay. I do care if he is lying, especially if he is joining in with the anti-gay agenda of his party.

    Anyway my opinion doesn’t matter, if the scandal breaks it will be his own party driving him out.

  4. For Perf Cats. The price tag on The Claremont hotel refit $12m. You expect they don’t plan to make the back with jugs of Swan Draught to Uni students on a Thursday night. I imagine IT would not be impressed, nor the Perf serial killer community.

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  5. This morning Lizzie referred to an article in Jan/Feb edition of Quadrant Online concerning the “seconds to midnight” situation conservatives are facing re the Woke takeover of society: by N.S. Lyons, “The Woke Revolution is far from over”.

    I have taken the liberty, with Dover’s agreement, to transcribe this article for this blog. I think it is essential reading for all conservative thinkers.

    Just over a year ago, I wrote a lengthy article detailing all the reasons why no one should assume the far-left “Woke” ideological revolution was over, even if conservatives here in the United States were to ride what seemed a “red wave” of popular political dissatisfaction to a sweeping victory in November’s mid-term elections. Well, those elections are now over, and it turns out there wasn’t even any wave to speak of. It’s worth thinking seriously about what that result signals about where this increasingly global ideological revolution is headed.

    We are now more than two years downstream from the fiery Year Zero of the Revolution, 2020, when, amid the most widespread and destructive riots in the nation’s history, nearly every public and private institution in American life (and then beyond, across nearly the whole of the broader Western world) simultaneously pledged allegiance to the same transformational illiberal ideology that had inspired the violence. The results were immediate, shocking in scope, and lasting in consequence: the primacy of racial consciousness and grievance was forcefully reintroduced into society in the name of racial “diversity” and “equity”; police departments were defunded and criminal behavior effectively decriminalized in the name of “social justice,” resulting in a deadly ongoing crime wave; elite medical and educational institutions, along with the American government, began not only to mainstream extremist concepts like the mutilating surgical “affirmation” of children’s alleged transgender identity (among other innovations) in the name of “inclusion,” but to actively seek to criminalize any opposition to these and other practices; in a coordinated effort with the state, the world’s largest technology and media giants imposed a great wave of censorship in an effort to entrench and defend the ideological hegemony of the Revolution and its values; mobbed by zealots, dissenters to the new ideological regime were summarily ousted from their positions and livelihoods; families and friendships were torn apart as the window of acceptable opinion shifted with lightning speed… This is only to scratch the surface of the traumatic upheaval that was thrust onto American society.

    This essay appears in the current Quadrant.
    Click here to subscribe

    But now we know that all of this barely moved the needle in America’s tribal politics. There was either no coherent backlash to the Woke revolution at the ballot box, or its adherents proved just as numerous and motivated as its opponents. Those few tentative suggestions about how progressive policies and messaging might have gone too far, which had begun to sporadically appear as anxiety proliferated on the left ahead of the elections, will now all be swiftly forgotten. With no costs imposed for their behavior, and so no incentive to change course, the revolutionaries’ already self-confident zeal will only redouble.

    Which, make no mistake, means that the Woke are now winning decisively. The reason for this is straightforward: of the key institutional high ground – from educational institutions to the media and Hollywood and the publishing houses, to the tech giants (with the recent singular exception of Elon Musk’s Twitter), to the law schools and the legal associations, to the healthcare system and medical schools, to the powerful foundations, big banks, corporate consulting giants, and stock exchanges, to even the churches, not to mention the federal government – essentially all of it is already Woke. This means that a 50-50 stalemate in the arena of democratic politics is no stalemate at all, but the continuation of a totally lopsided war of civilizational attrition.

    Even a sweeping political victory in the November elections by conservatives and classical liberals would have, at best, meant merely the beginning of an exceptionally difficult and extended campaign to recapture and bring to heel nearly every elite power center in America – including, somehow, the vast unelected federal administrative state – with each kicking and screaming and throwing legal tantrums the entire way. Now nothing remotely like that is going to happen, and all direct resistance to the Woke is going to continue to be strangled at every turn.

    Perhaps the best example to illustrate this reality is US civil rights law. Many of the core priorities of “Wokeness” are not simply ideological claims competing in the level playing field of some fair “battle of ideas.” Their imposition is already the law of the land and enforced by the state. The conviction that any disparity between identity groups is sufficient evidence of discrimination that must be eliminated (“disparate impact”); the necessity of racial discrimination in hiring decisions (“affirmative action”); the requirement that employers relentlessly police private speech lest it in any way be interpreted as offensive to any “protected class,” so as to prevent a “hostile work environment” – all of these are among the many legal requirements mandated by the vast scope of federal antidiscrimination statutes that grew out of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Most corporate employers do not force their employees to comply with the use of radical new gender pronouns just because they’ve had some moral awakening; they do it because not doing so places them in real danger of being investigated and held liable for violation of Title IX and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act by permitting discrimination on the basis of sex. They do not force their employees into lectures about their “unconscious” racial bias because they are necessarily converts to Critical Race Theory; likely they are primarily trying to protect themselves from being sued for failing to take sufficient action to prevent racial discrimination.

    Or as Christopher Caldwell has painstakingly explained, the unintended legacy of the original “emergency measures” of 1964 was to create an entire permanent apparatus of “surveillance by volunteers, litigation by lawyers, and enforcement by bureaucrats.” Then “the fear of litigation privatized the suppression of disagreement, or even of speculation,” and so the phenomenon of “political correctness” emerged as simply “the cultural effect of the basic enforcement powers of civil rights law.” Wokeness is simply the most recent cultural evolution of the totalizing ideology incentivized by this progressive legal framework.

    And this legal-cultural pressure doesn’t stay contained to the shores of the United States. In a globalized world, multinational companies conform to their most important markets, meaning they often bend to the long arm of US law globally. Meanwhile many European states and other members of the West have also followed (and in some cases surpassed) America’s cultural lead with similar rights-based legal frameworks. Under the combined pressure of culture and the law, the professional managerial class employed in such companies and institutions are already coming to accept the enforcement of such ideas as simply the global moral norm, while international institutions and NGOs have taken up the cause as well.

    This is the kind of unrelenting edifice that would-be anti-Woke counter-revolutionaries face, not an immature gaggle of “snowflake” college radicals. The Revolution, it turns out, has already been victorious in seizing control of the technocratic regime. Without attaining sufficiently overwhelming political power to uproot or at least circumscribe such deeply entrenched structural forces as civil rights law (itself practically holy writ in American society) – or the stranglehold of the higher-education cartel, or the accreditation and licensing bodies, or the philanthropy-industrial complex that distributes tides of oligarchic money through activist NGOs, or the perverse influence of social media technologies, among much else – the advance of Woke ideas cannot be halted in a decisive engagement, no matter how disastrous and unpopular those ideas’ practical manifestations may be with a beleaguered general public.

    Nor, frankly, is there much time left to spare if anti-Woke forces hope to turn back the Revolution with a democratic frontal assault. The generational divide in fundamental values is exceptionally stark. Survey research indicates that while a solid majority of Americans over forty still hold broadly classical liberal beliefs, opposing Woke values like the desirability of surveillance and censorship, a growing majority of younger Americans hold nearly opposite views. And the younger they are the more extreme their convictions.

    Of the 67 million-strong cohort of “Gen Z” Americans (those born after 1996), 51 per cent report that America is “inextricably linked to white supremacy,” 52 per cent support racial reparations, 60 per cent believe systemic racism is “widespread” in general society, and 64 per cent say “rioting and looting is justified to some degree” by the need to address systemic racism “by whatever means necessary.” 51 per cent believe the “gender binary” is “outdated,” and up to as many as 40 per cent self-identify as LGBTQ+ in some way. Some 41 per cent support censorship of “hate speech,” 66 per cent support shouting down speakers they consider offensive, and 23 per cent support using violence to silence such speakers. 61 per cent have positive views of socialism, and 70 per cent think “government should do more to solve problems.” Notably, survey results of youth in Britain are nearly identical, providing further evidence this ideology is going global regardless of national conditions.

    And their influence is growing exceptionally rapidly. In America, Gen Z and the slightly older but similarly-minded Millennials now together account for 31 per cent of voters, up from 23 per cent in 2016. In the recent mid-term elections, the total number of Gen Z-ers casting votes increased by 289 per cent. They broke for the left-wing party of the Democrats by an average of 28 points, while in comparison Democrats lost every age group 45 years and older by at least 7 points, including a 12-point loss among those age 65 and older.

    But even this electoral picture understates the encroaching societal sea change. The reality is that what (tepid) societal resistance there has been to the advance of the Revolution so far has come largely from a generation of older people who hold key senior positions of power within our institutions (think judges, for example), but who are now quickly passing retirement age. In just a decade many of them will be dead, and the Wokest generations will almost completely occupy controlling positions of power across the institutional landscape.

    The point is this: those who hope to see an end to the Woke revolution need to come to terms with the fact that their strategic approach is failing. The widespread assumption that Wokeness and its many contradictions would collapse as soon as it collided with reality (whether in the workplace or the White House) – and that therefore only some opportunistic political rhetoric and internet mockery were necessary as a response – has proven to be horribly wrongheaded. As should have been amply evident from history, self-reinforcing totalitarian ideologies almost wholly divorced from reality can and have triumphed and sustained themselves for many decades before approaching any sort of collapse – while producing generations of human suffering along the way.

    While they certainly should not give up on the political fight, at this point those who oppose Wokeness had best begin also looking for lessons in the experience of those who have confronted such totalitarian ideologies in the past and survived, such as those in Central and Eastern Europe who prevailed against Communism.

    This might, for example, include seriously adopting the successful strategy of Czech dissident Václav Benda, who advised anti-Communists to prioritize building a “parallel polis” within, yet separate from, the prevailing regime. Parallel information and education networks; parallel communities of cultural and spiritual preservation; parallel economies and mutual assistance societies; even parallel transnational ties and latent parallel political structures: this was the means by which dissidents were able to “live in truth” together (as Benda’s comrade Václav Havel put it) despite the torrent of lies and social atomization forced on them by their totalitarian regime. And ultimately it was the means by which they overthrew and replaced that regime.

    More broadly, those who oppose the Woke tide must recognize that the revolution they face is a many-headed hydra, driven and enabled by a multitude of factors beyond the political. Ultimately its deepest roots are in the social atomization, cultural breakdown, and void of spiritual meaninglessness produced by the nihilism of Western modernity. Unless these wounds can begin to be healed, young people seeking salvation from their growing dislocation and suffering will continue to be driven into the arms of utopian totalitarian ideologies like the Woke cult.

    Contesting this hydra only in the political domain will thus inevitably prove insufficient to meet the current crisis. What is needed is instead a wholescale counter-cultural movement, willing and able to fight on every front at once, not only through intelligent power politics, but through a long march of cultural and aesthetic out-competition, spiritual and philosophical revival, systemic economic and technological reform, and institutional recapture and replacement that can ultimately win new generations of support and forge a genuine Counter-Revolution. And this movement needs to come together now – there is little time left to waste.

    N.S. Lyons is the author of The Upheaval on Substack.

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  6. Well, we’re just moving into the last hour of the 25th and are playing a few toons for Australia Day.

    Especially this one

    E pluribus unum.

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  7. Project Veritas is hyping a big drop at 8pm (NY time).

    Tucker Carlson’s show starts at 8pm US eastern time (midday AEDT). Can’t wait!

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  8. I don’t care if Gaetz is gay.

    You most certainly do. The gutter press have been pushing this crap for almost three years now, it is a “punishment” for not being permissive on abortion, he’s not hardline anti “gay agenda” anyway.

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  9. At least they didn’t turn it into a retirement home like The Shents or the one next to Swanbourne Station.

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  10. Good to see a handful of meals on wheels people getting Australia Day awards.

    Left overs probably – all the big gongs go to the following:

    ‘Advocates’ (aka parasites feeding off others misfortune)
    ‘Activists’ (see ‘Advocates’)
    ‘Organisers’ (see Advocates and Activists)
    ‘Experts’ (aka tyrants)

    and a grab bag of assorted people who hate Australia, its traditions and its foundation principles.

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  11. Happy AUSTRALIA Day to all on the Cat! Don’t forget to fly an Australian flag!
    Same to all. I just looked around and we have the flag given to Mrs Eyrie at her citizenship ceremony.

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  12. Haha, Twiggy is now corking cows.

    Bill Gates Funds a Startup to Stop Cows from Burping Methane to Combat Climate Change (25 Jan)

    Microsoft co-founder and billionaire Bill Gates believes one of the solutions to combat climate change is to stop cows from burping. Gates invested in a startup company in Australia that is exploring dietary supplements for cows in an effort to contain ‘greenhouse gas emissions.’ “Australian climate technology company Rumin8 has closed Phase 2 of its seed funding round, led by Bill Gates-founded Breakthrough Energy Ventures (BEV) with participation from Andrew and Nicola Forrest’s agri-food business Harvest Road Group,” according to the company’s news release.

    Sure to be at least as successful as his giant extension cord was.

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  13. On the subject of both Oz Day and Queen’s (King”s I’m now guessing) awards I can’t and have never
    have understood why anyone deserves an award for doing a job they get paid for .. Awards should be for “voluntary” or personal service to others (including animals, planet, whatever ect!) but when your paid to do a job then like the millions of other “wukkas” your wages should be recognition enuf! …… being a politician, sportsfolk or “celebrity” shouldn’t entitle you to “recognition” just “because:” ..!

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  14. Let’s all hope Bill Gates dies of Thuddenly. Some leave the world a better place for having lived, some for their passing.

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  15. Add seaweed to cattle feed.
    Doesn’t change the taste & reduces the methane produced.
    Seaweed farming globally will continue to grow.

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  16. I’m sure all Microsoft users would wish Bill a slow, lingering and painful death, just like their user experience.

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  17. The Project Veritas story is Pfizer related.
    Shortly after the drop at midday (Sydney time) there will be a twitter room where Malone will be one of the speakers.

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  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
    January 26, 2023 at 9:24 am

    He needs me to sympathise that the hotel he’s just booked for us in Korea for next week has closed their gym due to ‘Covid restrictions’. He’s threatened to cancel out if they don’t let him use their gym. So I’m not the only one who can kick up as needs be it seems. He now tells me enthusiastically from a Google search that Prime Minister Han Duk-Soo has decreed that from 30th Jan face-mask mandates are being dropped from indoor public places, so Hairy is hoping that our hotel booking may still stand, with an open gym, and that our flight will also drop any mask mandates.

    Korea has taken a long time to catch up on Covid.

    Lizzie,

    as I said previously –enjoy Korea and they eat Meat!

    Having finished watching Netflix, Emily in Paris & Wednesday, have just started watching

    Netflix – Extraordinary Attorney Woo

    Brilliant attorney Woo Young-woo tackles challenges in the courtroom and beyond as a newbie at a top law firm and a woman on the autism spectrum.

    1. Extraordinary Attorney Woo

    On her first day at a new job, Woo Young-woo meets an ally, a skeptic and an old acquaintance. She takes on an assault case involving an elderly couple.

    Have finished Episode 1 – and now watching Episode 2 and enjoying them

    2. The Wedding Dress That Slipped Off

    The father of a bride sues a hotel for a wedding that ended in a humiliating disaster. Lee Jun-ho asks Young-woo to share her whale facts over lunch.

    Having been in Seoul Hotels over weekends and seen a number of Weddings taking place in those Hotels – this Episode has really resonated

  19. Microsoft is much maligned and doesn’t deserve it anymore. 10 years ago they were trash.

    They have totally changed Office and stayed with industry leaders with Azure.

  20. Maggot Farmer references just reminded me to put mushrooms on the shopping list. Already have the shortcut bacon.

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  21. Microsoft is much maligned and doesn’t deserve it anymore.

    Agree.
    Apart from their zoom knockoff.

  22. Microsoft is much maligned and doesn’t deserve it anymore. 10 years ago they were trash.

    Yep. Windows 11 on the new Lenovo office PC is brilliant. Excel 2016 is great.

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  23. I will be celebrating Australia day by making scrambled eggs with the finest organic eggs money can buy, truffle & prawns cooked in home made chilli oil.

    Then I need to post on LinkedIn how I’m working on Australia Day #TreatyNow.

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  24. MPs have called for an urgent investigation into Britain’s soaring death rates as thousands more people than usual are dying each week.

    Some 17,381 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the seven days to January 13 – 2,837 above average for the time of year.

    This is the highest number of excess deaths since 3,429 in the week to February 12, 2021, when the UK was experiencing its second wave of Covid-19 infections and vaccination had only just begun.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11671587/Massive-spike-excess-deaths-sparks-calls-urgent-investigation.html

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  25. Andrew Bolt The HeraldSun

    Spot what’s missing from this year’s list of state winners of Young Australian of the Year.

    The NSW one is a white female environmentalist. That much isn’t surprising.
    Then come the rest. The ACT winner is a Ghanaian Australian man, the Queenslander a Torres Strait Islander woman, the Tasmanian a Muslim woman, the South Australian a male refugee from Kenya, the Victorian a man who identifies as Aboriginal, and the Northern Territorian a Tiwi Islander
    That leaves just Western Australia to produce a white male winner but … no. It’s athlete Peter Bol, born in Sudan.

    How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

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  26. How do we make sure our kids and their kids continue to enjoy the wonderful life?

    You may not have much influence in the wider world, but you do in your family.

    Give little ones ballast for life’s journey, starting with…

    Grimm’s Fairy Tales
    Hans Christian Andersen
    Aesop’s Fables
    The Jesus Storybook Bible

    And if at all possible, home school them.

    Plenty of helpful guides available on the ‘net; use common sense in evaluating them.

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  27. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    Simples.

    Self-loathing and guilt about the wealth produced by Australia are strongest among the non-productive parasites who end up running the vast Big Government bureaucracies that hand out the gongs.

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  28. shatterzzz says:
    January 26, 2023 at 9:56 am

    Just need 50 muskets and 200 sausages. I can’t figure out if the convicts were allowed to cook without Phillip signing off if they understood Royal Navy hygiene regulations.

    Royal Navy Regulations .. Nelson at Trafalgar ..

    shatterzzz,

    Thanks, absolutely Brilliant – sent to Tuesday Lunch Bunch, finishing with And I am not Hardy

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  29. m0ntysays:
    January 26, 2023 at 10:07 am
    I don’t care if Gaetz is gay. I do care if he is lying, especially if he is joining in with the anti-gay agenda of his party.

    Do you care about DemonRats lying, or only Republicans?

    Any thoughts on the Paul Pelosi matter?

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  30. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    They should lift their game.

    Also last year’s AOTY was a white male.

  31. Ed Casesays:
    January 26, 2023 at 10:18 am
    I don’t care if Gaetz is gay.

    That’s great, since he is gay.
    But, why bring it up?

    It seems possible that m0nty=fa is a homophobe.

    Or possibly a secret Flamer.

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  32. Korea has taken a long time to catch up on Covid.

    Lizzie,

    as I said previously –enjoy Korea and they eat Meat!

    2. The Wedding Dress That Slipped Off

    The father of a bride sues a hotel for a wedding that ended in a humiliating disaster. Lee Jun-ho asks Young-woo to share her whale facts over lunch.

    Having been in Seoul Hotels over weekends and seen a number of Weddings taking place in those Hotels – this Episode has really resonated

    PS Note the Number of Wedding Shops in Seoul

    Ahyeondong Wedding Street

    ??? ???????

    +82-70-8114-7340 http://www.weddingtown.kr

    Bukahyeon-dong, Seodaemun-gu, Seoul-si

    Ahyeon-dong Wedding Street has over 2000 wedding dress shops.

    This area can be easily accessed by subway line 2 and is located on Sinchonno Road between Ewha Women’s University Station and Ahyeon Station. Shops filled with wedding dresses line the street, making it a bridal paradise. The shops have it all, from the newest wedding dress styles to unique, one-of-a-kind designs. Brides can have dresses made-to-order for affordable prices or simply borrow a dress for their special day. This area has become popular with many tourists looking to see the latest wedding attire.

  33. It seems possible that m0nty=fa is a homophobe.
    Or possibly a secret Flamer

    Relax. Groogs is on it.

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  34. Boambee John says:
    January 26, 2023 at 10:48 am

    m0ntysays:
    January 26, 2023 at 10:07 am
    I don’t care if Gaetz is gay. I do care if he is lying, especially if he is joining in with the anti-gay agenda of his party.

    Do you care about DemonRats lying, or only Republicans?

    Any thoughts on the Paul Pelosi matter

    We haven’t had a Deposition from The Hammer yet!

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  35. On the subject of both Oz Day and Queen’s (King”s I’m now guessing) awards I can’t and have never
    have understood why anyone deserves an award for doing a job they get paid for .. Awards should be for “voluntary” or personal service to others (including animals, planet, whatever ect!) but when your paid to do a job then like the millions of other “wukkas” your wages should be recognition enuf! …… being a politician, sportsfolk or “celebrity” shouldn’t entitle you to “recognition” just “because:” ..!

    Been watching “Yes, Minister”?

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  36. “Add seaweed to cattle feed.”

    Grass fed vs grain fed is supposed to make a difference too. The latter is where all the farts come from. Well, a beef farmer told me that anyway.

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  37. Innes FitzGerald, ‘Greta Thunberg of sport’, says no to Australia world title run

    Wednesday January 25 2023, 2.45pm GMT, The Times
    Innes FitzGerald, 16, has set a national under-17 record for running 3,000 metres
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    One of the brightest young talents in British athletics has said she will not travel to Australia for a championship because of her “deep concern” for the environment.

    Innes FitzGerald, a 16-year-old from Devon, is being described as the Greta Thunberg of sport after writing to British Athletics to inform them that she will not make the trip to the World Cross Country Championships in Bathurst, New South Wales.

    “The reality of the travel fills me with deep concern,” she said.

    FitzGerald is one of the most promising athletes in the country. She has set a national under-17 record for 3,000 metres and last month in Turin finished fourth in the under-20s European Cross Country Championships against athletes three years her senior.

    She led the field for a significant part of the race but explained afterwards that her later fatigue may have been caused by the 20-hour journey she had to undertake to get to northern Italy.

    To avoid flying she caught an overnight coach to Lille before travelling by train via Paris to get to Turin. Her family took folding bikes to complete the journey between stations in the French capital.

    This month FitzGerald missed the British trials for the competition in Scotland. In her letter to British Athletics she said: “To have the opportunity to compete for Great Britain in Australia is a privilege.

    “When I started running, the prospect of me competing in the World Cross Country Championships would have seemed merely a dream. However, the reality of the travel fills me with deep concern.

    “I would never be comfortable flying in the knowledge that people could be losing their livelihoods, homes and loved ones as a result. The least I can do is voice my solidarity with those suffering on the front line of climate breakdown. Coming to a decision has not been easy, however little compares to the grief I would feel taking the flight.”

    In an interview with Athletics Weekly, she explained: “My family is as environmentally minded as I am. We live in a passive house on a smallholding [near Exeter] growing fruit and vegetables. So my dad was happy for us not to fly. Aviation is the most energy intensive activity we can do and explodes a person’s carbon footprint. I don’t want that on my conscience.”

    Champions for Earth, an organisation for environmentally friendly athletes, has described it as a “tortured decision to decline” the opportunity to compete on the world stage.

    “The Exeter Harriers runner is a champion in more ways than one, winning impressively on the running track and in the world of environmental protection,” the organisation added. “Innes was crowned the 2022 Youth ‘Champion For Earth’ for her commitment to pursuing her sporting goals as sustainably as possible.

    “She is looking for sponsors and supporters who can help her with the more expensive public transport, accommodation and eco-friendly kit that she requires. It is clear that Innes has the steely determination and focus, combined with the courage and clarity to face a reality quite different to athletes of previous generations.

    “As a young person with Olympic dreams growing up during a climate and ecological emergency, she is balancing the dream of one day becoming a champion of the world, with a determination to be a champion for earth.”

  38. PeterMsays:

    January 26, 2023 at 9:00 am

    I can’t be sure if that article is genuine or not, Indolent

    How is that different from all the others?

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  39. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    The war against white males continues unabated.

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  40. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    Pale stale males are the dinosaurs, according to the woke crowd. To be made into crude oil, which must not be extracted.

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  41. Don’t know whether this is some sort of “phishing” or real ..
    Just got a text from NSW Housing asking
    if I was happy with my last encounter with Housing and to rate it .. select .. yes, no, undecided …

    Can’t remember the last time I spoke to anyone from Housing about anything .. and a text from a gummint dept. on a public holiday? .. duuuuuuh!
    Either a spoof or, maybe, one of those folk who chose to work rather than celebrate doing their bit ..
    I, actually, thought the entire dept was on the work-from-home lurk until their official retirement dates came due ..!

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  42. Listened this morning to an ABC interview with our AOY Local Hero. A Sikh who started a food distribution charity. Against all expectations the bloke sounded terrific. His message to others out there: stop living as an ‘ethnic immigrant’ and get out there, this is a great country which rewards hard work.

    How on earth did he slip through?

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  43. Also I see that the new House Republican majority has kicked off its session with a highly populist bill to *checks notes* fund upper-class tax cuts with a 30% GST.

  44. To avoid flying she caught an overnight coach to Lille before travelling by train via Paris to get to Turin. Her family took folding bikes to complete the journey between stations in the French capital.

    Hilarious!

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  45. Rather amusing, watching footage of the “Invasion Day” rallies – all those fair – skinned, blonde – haired “Aborigines…

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  46. One of the brightest young talents in British athletics has said she will not travel to Australia for a championship because of her “deep concern” for the environment.
    They walk amongst us .. or in her case RUN .. there was a time when folk were certified for less .. FFS!

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  47. Don’t forget to fly an Australian flag!

    I couldn’t find one to buy in my local rural town. But I bought a baseball type cap with the Aussie flag on it, & hung it on our farm gate!

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  48. He sounds like a very demanding girlfriend who gets whatever she wants from her sugar daddy.

    ..
    I wish out political leaders were as demanding and strident in our interests. We might then have the submarines, fleets of drones and factories we need to defend this nation in a time when warfare has returned to the long drawn out, highly industrial dependent affair it was in earlier times.

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  49. It’s Invasion Day on social media. I even had to take down my rainbow flag filter from the poofta marriage thing.

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  50. Also I see that the new House Republican majority has kicked off its session with a highly populist bill to *checks notes* fund upper-class tax cuts with a 30% GST.

    Keep the good news coming Monty!

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  51. Grass fed vs grain fed is supposed to make a difference too. The latter is where all the farts come from. Well, a beef farmer told me that anyway.

    I think that is probably true. I can honestly say I rarely hear a “blurt” from our cows which, incidentally, are currently far too fat. The only sound that resembles a “blurt”comes very occasionally when one is excreting manure. But the way the Greenies complain, you would think they were farting all day long.

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  52. You realize Monty that nothing is going to get through the Senate?
    That’s why they stole it. Easier to steal than all those myriads of House seats.

    The real game is the debt ceiling. If RINO McCarthy does a deal, or if the Dems just illegally blow through it, either will be a Rubicon moment.

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  53. Speaking of slipping through, John Hyde picks up a Medal of the Order of Australia.

    Thoroughly deserved.

    (To be honest, I thought he’d shuffled off this mortal coil.)

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  54. Anyway, the Biden administration is now going to send M1 Abrams tanks.

    Will the Ukies have enough time to get sufficient tank crews trained from scratch to launch their own Spring Awakening?

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  55. Cows are basically a walking tank farms. My old man ran into a few of (his own) cows while they were sleeping on the road (much like him). Next morning spent hosing green cow shit off the entire car where they had exploded.

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  56. m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:08 am
    Also I see that the new House Republican majority has kicked off its session with a highly populist bill to *checks notes* fund upper-class tax cuts with a 30% GST.

    Explain how taxing the Kardashians, Clinton’s, bankers with lodges on the Sesquahana River with a 30% sales tax is inequitable, as opposed to letting them structure their taxes through trusts etc?

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  57. You realize Monty that nothing is going to get through the Senate?

    Ah yes, so it is a pointless exercise designed solely for the new House majority to signal to their voters that they are committed to populism. By proposing a 30% sales tax, paid mostly by the poor. Mmm hmm.

    The real game is the debt ceiling. If RINO McCarthy does a deal, or if the Dems just illegally blow through it, either will be a Rubicon moment.

    Remember the last time the Republicans shut down the government and didn’t get blamed for it? Neither do I, because they always get blamed for it. Because it’s always them who do it.

  58. A young fellow was about to be married and was asking his grandfather about sex.

    He asked “How often should you have it?” His grandfather told him that “When you first get married, you want it all the time, and maybe do it several times a day. Later on, sex tapers off and you have it once a week or so. Then as you get older, you have sex maybe once a month. When you get really old, you are lucky to have it once a year, maybe on your anniversary”.

    The young fellow then asked his grandfather “Well how about you and grandma now?” His grandfather replied “Oh, we just have oral sex now”. “What’s oral sex?” the young fellow asked. “Well” grandpa said “she goes to bed in her room, and I go to bed in my room. And she yells ‘F*ck you’ and I holler back ‘F*ck you too.'”

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  59. A young fellow was about to be married and was asking his grandfather about sex.

    He asked “How often should you have it?” His grandfather told him that “When you first get married, you want it all the time, and maybe do it several times a day. Later on, sex tapers off and you have it once a week or so. Then as you get older, you have sex maybe once a month. When you get really old, you are lucky to have it once a year, maybe on your anniversary”.

    The young fellow then asked his grandfather “Well how about you and grandma now?” His grandfather replied “Oh, we just have oral sex now”. “What’s oral sex?” the young fellow asked. “Well” grandpa said “she goes to bed in her room, and I go to bed in my room. And she yells ‘F*ck you’ and I holler back ‘F*ck you too.'”

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  60. I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn’t arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I’m going to be happy in it.

    – Groucho Marx

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  61. By proposing a 30% sales tax, paid mostly by the poor. Mmm hmm

    This is quite impossible and it perverse that leftists even oppose a sales tax. Canada has a GST anyway and Keating wanted one in 1985. Latham proposed one in 1998 or thereabouts at 28% to replace most other Federal taxes when he wrote Civilising Global Capital.

  62. John Hyde- Dry and conservative.

    Except he didn’t conserve anything and he’d likely approve of Albanese saving money by not informing voters by post of the Referendum proposals and refusing to fund a No Voice.

  63. “They should lift their game.”

    Hmm, tell that to the dead white father who drowned last week whilst saving his daughter from being drowned after she’d been swept out to sea.

    Actually, you might have a point, but your point isn’t confined to “white males”. Please get on the next flight to Alice Springs and tell the young marauding indigenous males who, when not walking around supermarkets stealing and threatening decent people with bats, are bashing, raping and assaulting indigenous women and children. Please, please, please go and tell those young males to ‘lift their game‘, because you wanna know know what? They need to lift their game. And until you do this, eff off.

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  64. But the way the Greenies complain, you would think they were farting all day long.

    I agree. The Greenies do fart all day long and 24/7. Green verbal manure is all that they can produce.

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  65. Keating’s Option C and subsequent demolition of Dr John’s birthday cake beautifully
    illustrates the problem of democracy for solving political problems. It might still be the best approach though.

  66. John Hyde, conservative.
    From Wiki:

    Among his campaigns was to stop the two-airline monopoly and various subsidies to the aircraft, shipping and car industries (former Navy Minister and “Dry” Bert Kelly, author of “The Modest Member” and “The Modest Farmer” columns in various papers, had described the aircraft and shipping industries in Australia as “Our flying and floating feather beds.”).

    Keep on conserving, eh, conservatives?
    Hyde also supported Whitlam’s 25% across the board Tariff Cuts.

    More at Wiki, for those with a strong stomach.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hyde_(Australian_federal_politician)

  67. Of course, only the rich should pay tax. Standby for some Emmanomics from our guest lecturer, mUnty.

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  68. Remember the last time the Republicans shut down the government and didn’t get blamed for it?

    Things are a little different now Monty.

    Majority of Americans OPPOSE raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts, new poll shows as Republicans and Democrats continue talks to avoid a US default (24 Jan)

    A majority of Americans would rather see a government shutdown than watch the federal government increase its borrowing limits without cutting spending, according to a new poll.

    Joe Q. Public is getting entirely pissed off with the government, which they know very well is controlled by the Dems.

    You missed the point I’m making about the debt ceiling though. Which is that if McCarthy tries the usual he’ll get toppled faster than you can say Tea Party. Which is what the rule changes were about. Hearts and minds tend to follow a suitably gentle grip on one’s orbs.

  69. Invasion Day rallies have began, in Sydney the police move along a group who turn out to support Oz Day. From the Daily Telegraph…

    SYDNEY

    Crowds gathered early in the morning on Gadigal land at Belmore Park in Sydney’s CBD ahead of the march at 9.30am.

    It wasn’t long before a fight broke out in the crowd with a small group of people holding up an Australian flag and signs which read: “Always was always will be Australian land”.

    During the rally they were asked by Gomeroi woman and Indigenous activist Gwenda Stanley to leave the area.

    “Australia Day is dead and done. Get over it,” she shouted from across the park.

    Speaking to NCA NewsWire, Ms Stanley called them “infiltrators and agitators.”

    “Our conflict is 235 days of genocide in this country and he thinks he’s got a right to stand there and he thinks he has some sort of power in our day,” she said.

    “Australia Day is dead and gone. Get over it. This is our day now. It’s gone. It’s done and dusted.”

    Police also intervened and asked the group to disperse and said they would be issued with a direction, if they didn’t obey the request.

    Protester Kim Jacobs, who was holding up an Australian flag, justified his dissent as democratic.

    “I guess I’m one of those awkward people who have a point of view and felt shame to express it,” he told a police officer.

    “I have no wish to cause problems with the police and do not wish to cause violence.”

    As he left, a bystander was heard saying: “You’re everything that’s wrong with this country”.

    The theme of Thursday’s rally is “sovereignty before voice” in response to the Federal Government’s Voice to Parliament proposal.

    The rally opened with a smoking ceremony, followed by traditional dances and an acknowledgement of country made by Uncle Dave Bell.

    A heavy police presence was also seen on park grounds.

    Speakers made calls for Indigenous sovereignty and criticised the referendum for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

    Activist and Dunghutti, Gumbaynggirr, Bundjalung woman, Auntie Lizzie Jarrett told attendees to vote no.

    “Liberal, Labor, the system is not for Black People,” she said as the crowd cheered in response.”

    The Daily Telegraph refers to the few who protested in support of Australia Day as “The right-wing nationalists were told to move on from the crowd“. That’s you and me folks. Oh well, I’m proud to be a “right-wing nationalist”.

    One thing is for sure. This country is effed. No country can withstand this assault on our national psyche.

    Oh and vote NO to the Voice. I will be.

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  70. “Merseyside Police will not tolerate hate crime of any form, and we will bring to justice anyone found responsible for committing any offensive chanting,”

    The offensive chant (reader discretion is advised):

    Chelsea rent boy
    Chelsea rent boy
    Chelsea… (repeated ad nauseam)

    The chant is soccer sledging on the fact that virtually the entire Chelsea team are bought in internationals.

    So, racist as well as homophobic: the Merseyside fuzz are missing a trick.

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  71. from a Google search that Prime Minister Han Duk-Soo

    NOT, I hasten to add, the same personage as Dr Duk Duk Doc

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  72. Majority of Americans OPPOSE raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts, new poll shows as Republicans and Democrats continue talks to avoid a US default (24 Jan)

    Hahahahaha! That is an online poll by the Daily Mail. You could hardly get a less credible source. Dear dear Dot, you are so off the pace.

  73. Please get on the next flight to Alice Springs and tell the young marauding indigenous males who, when not walking around supermarkets stealing and threatening decent people with bats, are bashing, raping and assaulting indigenous women and children.

    Take it easy with the Anti-Aboriginal Men hate.
    Aboriginal women are involved in the violence too, both as Perps and instigators.
    But here’s the bottom line:
    When The State systematically removes children from their families, no matter what fig leaf the apologists and huffers and puffers want to
    put on it, the life outcomes of 99.999% of those children affected are going to be extremely sub-optimal.

  74. Want to raise a quick 100bill?
    Tax all assets that have been in free port facilities for more than 12 months at 10% retrospectively.

    Tax the poor less.
    Tax the rich less.
    Tax the asset bases of the wealthy.
    So many of the worlds wealthy have asset bases that are effectively shielded from tax.

    If you don’t understand the difference between rich & wealthy, get some Chris Rock into you.

  75. The US will make back every cent and then some spent on the Ukraine in future arms sales.
    No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.

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  76. You missed the point I’m making about the debt ceiling though. Which is that if McCarthy tries the usual he’ll get toppled faster than you can say Tea Party. Which is what the rule changes were about. Hearts and minds tend to follow a suitably gentle grip on one’s orbs.

    One wonders if McCarthy’s goons are behind these Gaetz rumours.

  77. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    They are obviously just going about their business trying to make Australia a better place. Apart from the 1% who are just a bunch of ‘layabouts’. And they are either on Centrelink or are part of the Guv’ment Scheme/Scam/Gravy Train.

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  78. Monty – Why don’t you search ‘poll debt ceiling’ and come back to us after you read the news reports from the last few days?

  79. Cassie – I would wait until people are in the privacy of a voting booth with a pencil in their hand before forming a judgement just quietly. As always (quite frequently recently) I may be wrong.

  80. Speakers made calls for Indigenous sovereignty and criticised the referendum for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

    Activist and Dunghutti, Gumbaynggirr, Bundjalung woman, Auntie Lizzie Jarrett told attendees to vote no.

    “Liberal, Labor, the system is not for Black People,” she said as the crowd cheered in response.”

    Onya, Auntie Lizzie Jarrett.

  81. The Daily Telegraph refers to the few who protested in support of Australia Day as “The right-wing nationalists were told to move on from the crowd“. That’s you and me folks. Oh well, I’m proud to be a “right-wing nationalist”.

    Which shows that the meja is indeed the enemy of the people.

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  82. One wonders if McCarthy’s goons are behind these Gaetz rumours.
    Gaetz is a Flamer.
    So is Kevin McCarthy.

  83. A more pertinent question is how come there aren’t any ten-pound Poms among the AOTY nominees? Stop bludging you whiny twats.

  84. m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:38 am
    Geez Dot, no wonder you aren’t an economist any more if you deny that sales taxes are regressive.

    By definition, they’re not.

    This was taught routinely in economics until activist hacks tried the definition changing game.

    It is also a simpleton’s game. The incidence and burden of taxes are two different things.

    In the short term the relative price of everything will change with minimal distortion, if any at all.

    In the long term the capital to labour ratio rises and real wages rise as consumption taxes do not disincentivise savings.

    The simple assertion also does not consider income smoothing over a lifetime. Consumption taxes can in effect be progressive.

    As excise taxes are not generally applied, they are indeed in effect regressive; tariffs more so as the effective rate of protection can be many times larger than the rate.

    It must be hard to be wrong all the time monty. Be nice to yourself and stop it for a while.

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  85. Other than a shovel and cutting them in half, can you kill snakes with poison? Wifey got lucky; she was walking up the last set of steps in the semi-dark when she noticed one right in front of her, on the steps, with its head up, ready to take a crack. Since the laws protecting first nation snakes were passed, the peninsula has been riddled with them.

    I moved it with a rake as that’s all I had. FMD they move quickly though.

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  86. Grass fed vs grain fed is supposed to make a difference too. The latter is where all the farts come from. Well, a beef farmer told me that anyway.

    Interesting observation if true because it parallels my experience with human digestion – eat the right fuel (meat) and the digestion causes little trouble, eat the wrong fuel (plant fibre) and the volume goes up, the transit time goes down and the wind blows.

    Grain fed cattle also exhibit the same metabolic effects as grain fed humans – they get fat… thats why we do it! Horses, similarly, fed too much grain get ‘fat and inflamed’, developing the same suite of chronic illness that humans do: obesity, thryoid disorders, insulin resistance, inflammatory arthritis etc.

    In nature, grains are only to be found for a small part of the year, hence it could be inferred that (for humans or animals) they should not form a regular part of the diet.

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  87. No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.

    These are feints from which Ukraine will never recover from, like facing actual T-34s in combat.

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  88. feelthebernsays:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:49 am
    Want to raise a quick 100bill?
    Tax all assets that have been in free port facilities for more than 12 months at 10% retrospectively.

    Tax the poor less.
    Tax the rich less.
    Tax the asset bases of the wealthy.
    So many of the worlds wealthy have asset bases that are effectively shielded from tax.

    If you don’t understand the difference between rich & wealthy, get some Chris Rock into you.

    I have a much better idea. Smaller Guv’ments with balanced Budgets and not being able to borrow money unless in a time of a National Emergency – Like a War.

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  89. Eyrie says:
    January 26, 2023 at 10:15 am

    Let’s all hope Bill Gates dies of Thuddenly. Some leave the world a better place for having lived, some for their passing.

    Another day, another death wish from Hallward Hughes.
    Hey Hallward, how many dolls do you have with pins stuck in them, you deranged twat?
    The ‘Aviationist’.

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  90. Speakers made calls for Indigenous sovereignty and criticised the referendum for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

    Activist and Dunghutti, Gumbaynggirr, Bundjalung woman, Auntie Lizzie Jarrett told attendees to vote no.

    This is fast turning into a rock show.

    Elbow…break out the Radio Birdman t-shirt!

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  91. The extremely large calibre revolvers developed at the time made much of their dervish stopping power. Apparently quite a few found out they were under gunned the hard way,

    Webley 455 eh ?

    Or 476 Adams conversion…

    If anyone has one they would care to part with I want one RIGHT NOW.
    Black Powder Cartridge Revolver competition is begging to consume a little more of my life.

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  92. Which shows that the meja is indeed the enemy of the people.
    Well, yeah.
    Murdoch’s bankers haven’t kept him afloat for 60 years so he can be the voice of Truth, y’ know?

  93. In nature, grains are only to be found for a small part of the year, hence it could be inferred that (for humans or animals) they should not form a regular part of the diet.

    I like some grains. Those that are used to make Beer for instance.

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  94. JC,
    poisoning isn’t the go. Scatter white ping pong balls around. The snake thinks they are eggs and will swallow one. Can’t digest the plastic, ball gets stuck, snake dies.
    There are stories online about snakes having ping pong balls removed to save their lives. I don’t know why. If you do go that way, DO NOT tell anyone why you have ping pong balls scattered in the garden. Wokesters would rather see you dead than a snake.

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  95. If there was any real interest about equitable outcomes re tax, high on the list would be reviewing the US/Australia tax treaty.
    Australian tax payers should not rebating tax to billionaires who tax advantage of US opportunity zones.
    Or billionaires who own sporting sporting franchises in US.

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  96. No country can withstand this assault on our national psyche.

    It’s called cultural marxism and it’s been relentless for 50 years- it’s become so unreasonable, insane and downright nasty that it may back fire.

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  97. Monty – Why don’t you search ‘poll debt ceiling’ and come back to us after you read the news reports from the last few days?

    #1 result: Rasmussen LOL.
    #2 result: Poll: As debt battle looms, 55% of Americans say GOP House is ‘dysfunctional’

    Republicans can shut down the government if they want, but that didn’t help Newt Gingrich or any of the other recent times they did it.

  98. Arkysays:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:49 am
    The US will make back every cent and then some spent on the Ukraine in future arms sales.
    No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.

    My understanding of the supply of Abrams is it’ll be new build. Not a chance it’ll show up before next year. And not to put to fine a point on it, I’d expect they’d be facing combined arms not just rolling in to do tank vs. tank.
    IF Abrams ever even arrive in the first place.

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  99. I have a much better idea. Smaller Guv’ments with balanced Budgets and not being able to borrow money unless in a time of a National Emergency – Like a War.

    PM immediately declares ‘War on Structural Underprivilege and Microaggression’.
    Orders nuke assets from rogue states, pays, ALP receives 7% commission.

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  100. Other than a shovel and cutting them in half, can you kill snakes with poison?

    Very difficult as snakes eat live prey.

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  101. That’s you and me folks. Oh well, I’m proud to be a “right-wing nationalist”.

    By the time we get to referendum, we’re going to need a bigger Godwin’s Law.

    You’re literally Right Wing.

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  102. Other than a shovel and cutting them in half, can you kill snakes with poison?

    Small aperture netting, such as ‘cat netting’, liberally strung in likely traffic areas (entry to under house spaces, nooks and crannies) is pretty effective in trapping snakes … what you then do is up to you.

    PS – apparently this is illegal in some places

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  103. By definition, they’re not.

    This was taught routinely in economics until activist hacks tried the definition changing game.

    Look at the world, Dot, not a book. You might as well deny that water is wet because things that it touches get wet, not water itself. You are playing rhetorical games – which is all economics is, if done poorly.

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  104. Consumption tax is indeed a progressive and easily administered form of revenue raising, except
    Except Fed and State Govts will not honour pledges to remove other taxes and not introduce new ones. GST being the example.
    Rent seeker and crony exemptions will make the system a nightmare for business and a joy to bureaucites.
    Tax changes without a mechanism to force Govt to act honestly are simply tax increases.

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  105. PS – apparently this is illegal in some places

    It used to be sold as snake netting in some places, now exactly the same thing is sold as bird netting.

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  106. And, a cry for help from this forum of excellent advice:

    I towed a 1600kg camper trailer 600km a few days ago and noticed one of the wheels got much hotter than the other. Not enough to catch fire, but certainly worrying. It has electric brakes, although I could not feel any ‘drag’ and unplugging from the car did not cure it.

    Its done very little mileage (5y old and recently bought off an old chap who became chronically unwell not long after he got it from new).

    My next thought is to pull the wheels and look for dragging, but its more likely a bearing I would think. Can a near new bearing get that hot?

  107. No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.

    You might have to wait a while for that hot, tank on tank action you’re hoping for.

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  108. Pogria

    I can’t believe these things are protected when  pound for pound, they’re some of the deadliest snakes around. I think what I saw was a young tiger snake, but I can’t be sure as it was dusk. They’re quite aggressive and don’t demure from taking a bite.

    The damned thing wasn’t in the garden, it was on the step halfway up to the front door. Being summer, we were both wearing shorts.

    I’m buying a long-handled shovel later today.

    As an aside, if you walk along the Yarra River right across from Melbourne High, on Alexander Avenue in South Yarra. There’s a sign that says, “Beware of snakes.” This is as close to an inner city as you can get, and they let snakes coexist, and we don’t kill them. WTF?

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  109. NATO’s best tanks are going to Ukraine, what will it mean on the battlefield?

    Kiev will get what it demanded from the West, but will it be enough?

    Tank supplies to Ukraine from NATO members is the top news story this week. Kiev has been calling for these weapons from its western sponsors since the beginning of the Russian offensive, and it looks like now, eleven months into the fighting, these demands are being met.

    The US has announced it will send 31 Abrams main battle tanks. In a hastily scheduled speech on Wednesday, President Joe Biden noted that they are complicated to operate and maintain, so the US will provide Kiev with “parts and equipment necessary to effectively sustain these tanks on the battlefield.”

    It was also confirmed, the same day, that the German government will send Leopard 2A6 tanks from its own stock and will allow other nations, such as Poland, to transfer German-made machines, to Ukraine.

    On January 14, London announced plans to ship its Challengers 2s to Kiev, while it now seems inevitable that Paris will supply AMX-56 Leclerc vehicles.

    Russian experts and journalists have been locked in a heated debate over the differences between these western main battle tanks and the Russian T-90s, comparing their armor, guns, accuracy, active and passive protection systems, maneuverability, fire-control systems, ammunition, and many other attributes.

    At the end of the day though, these discussions lack any practical value. The battlefield is the only litmus test for the advantages and drawbacks of any type of weapon or military equipment. Reliable statistics on combat use are all that is required for a comparative analysis of modern main battle tanks, if it is to be credible.

    Another thing to remember is that all tanks are vulnerable to modern anti-tank systems, so the question is, how many NATO tanks are going to make their way to Ukraine?

    How many tanks does Kiev need?

    To simplify calculations, we’ll be using an armored division, the main structural and tactical unit of armored forces in the former Soviet republics, as our yardstick. According to Soviet manuals, an armored division must have 296 tanks, 230 infantry fighting vehicles, 54 self-propelled artillery systems, over 2,000 regular vehicles, and almost 12,000 soldiers and officers.

    How many divisions does Kiev need? At least one per each of the three main fronts — in Lugansk, Donetsk, and Zaporozhye. The line of contact in the special military operation zone right now is 815 km long, making three divisions too modest an amount to make a difference, but let’s disregard this for the time being.

    Three armored divisions combined would have a total of about 900 tanks. Apart from that, another armored division may be necessary on the Belarusian front, which could see some very heavy fighting. In case of an escalation there, an armored division or a similar unit in reserve is a must, which drives the number of required tanks up by 300 to 1,200.

    Finally, no commander-in-chief can do without his own reserve, the so-called reserve of the supreme high command. Without at least one armored division, this reserve cannot really count as such, which means another 300 tanks for a required total of 1,500.

    Another thing to consider is probable Ukrainian losses during offensive operations. The average daily losses of an armored unit in this case stand at 10 to 15%. About 15 to 20% of incapacitated tanks are typically irrecoverable losses, while the rest require repairs (general maintenance for 30 to 50%, medium-level repairs for 15 to 30%, and an overhaul for 10 to 20%).

    Simply put, at least another 300 tanks are required to offset losses during combat operations. This gives us a figure of 1,800 tanks, which must be considered an absolute minimum.

    These are very approximate and somewhat simplistic calculations, yet they give us ballpark figures.

    How many tanks will Kiev get?

    So far, NATO countries have earmarked tanks for Ukraine numbered in the dozens. This is only a fraction of the hypothetical minimum.

    Great Britain and Poland have officially pledged an armored company each, respectively consisting of up to 14 tanks. Germany will supply a similar amount, while the US is preparing the supply of 31 Abrams heavy weapons.

    At a recent meeting of the US-led Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, officials from 12 countries discussed sending a total of about 100 tanks to Kiev, if Berlin were to give the green light, which, according to an ABC report, it has done.

    Rheinmetall could additionally supply a total of 139 tanks to Ukraine, including 88 Leopard 1s and 51 Leopard 2A4s, yet the German manufacturer concedes that only 29 of them could be shipped before the summer of 2023.

    What impact will NATO’s tanks have?

    Will all these tanks see combat any time soon? Let’s consider the example of the M1 Abrams, which is seen as one of the symbols of US military power.

    A small number of these tanks manned by poorly trained crews and lacking full-scale maintenance and supply infrastructure support would most likely yield negative results. They will fail to change Ukraine’s fortunes on the battlefield, while images of burning American tanks will likely hurt US public opinion.

    Thus, one of America’s premier weapons, the pride and joy of its defense industry, will be humiliated on the battlefield for a long time. This is something the Pentagon can’t allow to happen under any circumstances.

    Therefore, before any actual fighting happens, evacuation teams, tank repair units, and spare part supplies must be in place, while crews must receive superior training to handle American tanks.

    Last but not least, the first deployment of US main battle tanks in Ukraine must be accompanied by a significant Ukrainian army success, at least at the tactical level, which would necessitate no fewer than 200–300 (maybe even 400–500) tanks.

    Otherwise, supplying the M1 Abrams to Ukraine makes neither military nor political sense. Transferring them one company (10 to 15 tanks) at a time would only mean that this equipment will burn on the battlefield without making any significant impact or even catching anyone’s attention.

    So far, according to known data, Russia has not had any significant trouble dealing with enemy equipment. This is something on which both the Russian Ministry of Defense and most Western analysts seem to agree.

    Since the launch of the military operation, according to Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, the Russian Ministry of Defense spokesman, Russian forces have destroyed 376 planes, 203 helicopters, 2,944 UAVs, 402 anti-aircraft missile systems, 988 MLRVs, and 3,898 field artillery guns and mortars.

    As well as 7,614 tanks and other armored vehicles.

    No room for complacency

    It’s very likely that the first NATO tank companies will be used as training units for Ukrainian crews, while Poland will initially provide maintenance and repair capacity for servicing German or American tanks.

    One shouldn’t think, however, that training will stretch over a very long time. It can take just weeks to do a full training program, while teaching T-64/84 crews to fight in the M1 Abrams or the Leopard 2A5 could be completed in a matter of days.

    What matters in the reports about the West mulling tank supplies to Ukraine is not the tanks themselves as much as the breaking of a taboo, which, until recently, prevented the transfer of heavy western-made armored vehicles to Ukraine.

    Once this taboo is broken, there is every reason to assume that, sooner or later, Kiev will receive not only the 1,800 western main battle tanks it badly needs, but much more than that.

    At that point in time and maybe even earlier, Ukraine will be able to create a strike force on the Zaporozhye front for example. If a force like that succeeds in breaching Russian defenses, it could cover the 82 km to Melitopol in less than three days, which would dissect the whole depth of the Russian defense in this region.

    With this in mind, the Russian armed forces must achieve tangible military and political results long before western arms supplies reach their full potential.

    By Mikhail Khodaryonok, military observer, retired colonel, and air defense specialist

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  110. Snakes are often attracted to rats and mice, which are attracted to catshit.
    The solution:
    take a small tin of Tuna [ring pull top], turn it upside down, punch 3 holes in it in the shape of a small triangle with the tip of a nail using a hammer as the driver.
    Leave for 3 days, open, and place in the cat’s bowl.
    Pretty soon, no cat.

  111. H B Bearsays:

    January 26, 2023 at 10:20 am

    I’m sure all Microsoft users would wish Bill a slow, lingering and painful death, just like their user experience.

    It looks like you’re writing a letter.
    It looks like you’re writing a letter.
    It looks like you’re writing a letter.

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  112. How can white males – more than 40 per cent of our population – not crack even one spot on the list of Young Australians of the Year?

    This can’t be true because according to every advertisement I see for ANYTHING I live in a country more resembling a cross (or a Venn diagram) between Asia, Africa and China.
    Rendering every Caucasian I come across a figment of my imagination.

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  113. flyingduk says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    And, a cry for help from this forum of excellent advice:

    I towed a 1600kg camper trailer 600km a few days ago and noticed one of the wheels got much hotter than the other. Not enough to catch fire, but certainly worrying. It has electric brakes, although I could not feel any ‘drag’ and unplugging from the car did not cure it.

    Its done very little mileage (5y old and recently bought off an old chap who became chronically unwell not long after he got it from new).

    My next thought is to pull the wheels and look for dragging, but its more likely a bearing I would think.

    Can a near new bearing get that hot?

    yes – I would replace bearings and repack with copious grease

    (from Road testing New 4Wds towing New Campers to test, across Australia including Simpson – Hated Trailers)

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  114. Just wait until sulfur-crested cockies get there. Carnage!

    Escaped pet parrots threaten New Zealand’s vulnerable native birds – why a ban is the best solution (25 Jan)

    In 2000, authorities eradicated a population of about 150-200 rainbow lorikeets (Trichoglossus haematodus) in T?maki Makaurau Auckland after they were illegally and deliberately released. Sales of this species have continued since, but Auckland became the first and only region to ban sales last year.

    Our study investigated the extent to which owners were reporting pet birds as lost through online websites in Aotearoa. What we found was staggering.

    During our monitoring period of three-and-a-half years, 1,205 birds and at least 33 species were reported as lost, and 92% of them were parrots.

    I like the idea that Aussie parrots are going to eat New Zealand. The Cafe pair of rainbow lorikeets brought their newest offspring to see me yesterday for the first time: within 5 minutes it was sitting on my hand next to mum and dad and munching a bit of bread. They’re everyone’s friend, except kiwis.

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  115. Russian losses as of today, not sure if it includes Wagner Group murderers and rapists sacrificed in North Korean/Maoist style human wave attacks.

    killed ~123,080
    wounded ~369,240
    prisoner of war ~1,000
    tanks ~ 3,161*

    900,000 emigrated out of Russia by November 2022.

    19,478 detained for war opposition prior to December 2022.

    Putin is a failure and possibly the worst Russian leader in history.

    He’s ruined the lives of at least 1.4 mn Russians for his bizarre quest in his mind to stand in history equivalent to Caesar or Bonaparte – and possibly permanently wrecking another country he considers part of Russia and Russia’s historical motherland.

    He is a damned fool.

    *Someone might want to explain how “all” of the pictures and videos of Russian tanks being destroyed are “fake”.

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  116. My next thought is to pull the wheels and look for dragging, but its more likely a bearing I would think. Can a near new bearing get that hot?

    Yes, if you change the bearings in your trailer you should take them for a run to ensure that they’re not overheating. The hot one has possibly been over tightened.

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  117. flyingduk says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    And, a cry for help from this forum of excellent advice:

    If it’s been sitting for a number of years the grease can go “hard” and hub will run hot.

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  118. m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:07 pm
    By definition, they’re not.

    This was taught routinely in economics until activist hacks tried the definition changing game.
    Look at the world, Dot, not a book. You might as well deny that water is wet because things that it touches get wet, not water itself. You are playing rhetorical games – which is all economics is, if done poorly.

    You are demonstrably wrong again here is an American university study looking at the empirical data, just as the theoretical models (actually I learnt from Joe Stiglitz, his text is excellent) predict;

    https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/are-sales-taxes-really-regressive

    You are wrong in theory and you demonstrably wrong as proven with empirical data.

    Take your lumps champ.

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  119. The Cafe pair of rainbow lorikeets brought their newest offspring to see me yesterday for the first time: within 5 minutes it was sitting on my hand next to mum and dad and munching a bit of bread. They’re everyone’s friend, except kiwis.

    I love the colourful little guys visiting our yard in Perth. They are a colony population from escapes/releases.
    We have serious problems over Corellas and interspecies competition for nest sites in the West, but I have heard no complaints about the lorikeets.

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  120. Australia has some world class weeds and ferals. Best to stay quiet after fire rips through Spain or the California Hills. Take note Bruce Pascoe fanbois.

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  121. Since the launch of the military operation, according to Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, the Russian Ministry of Defense spokesman, Russian forces have destroyed 376 planes, 203 helicopters, 2,944 UAVs, 402 anti-aircraft missile systems, 988 MLRVs, and 3,898 field artillery guns and mortars.

    As well as 7,614 tanks and other armored vehicles.

    HOW TF DID UKRAINE GET 7,614 tanks, IFVs and SP guns???

    C. O. P. E. !

  122. I would replace bearings and repack with copious grease

    Thanks all, sounds like I need to replace the bearings on both sides

    Cheers

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  123. HOW TF DID UKRAINE GET 7,614 tanks, IFVs and SP guns???

    Think of a telethon. But just for governments and military manufacturers.

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  124. Looks like RAAF Flight Training School didn’t get the Invasion Day memo.
    Just had a formation of six Roulettes fly past our hotel room window.
    And trailing … gasp! …white smoke too!

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  125. “Putin is a failure and possibly the worst Russian leader in history.”

    Really? Worse than Stalin? I don’t think so. Another ridiculous comparison.

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  126. lotocoti says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:13 pm
    No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.
    You might have to wait a while for that hot, tank on tank action you’re hoping for.

    ..
    Like this, you mean?
    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-takes-out-russian-tank-showdown-video-1766514?amp=1
    ..
    I’m not hoping for anything other than the damn thing to be over with and all sides and observers to conclude that modern warfare is too expensive and horrific to start in the first place.

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  127. JC its not illegal to kill snakes, possums, bats and other nuisance creatures. It only becomes illegal when you get caught.

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  128. “I’m buying a long-handled shovel later today.”

    That’s how my grandfather used to kill them. I have a clear recollection of my father and uncle killing one with a shovel in Bundeena, which borders on the National Park here in Sydney. Snakes would run amok so there were lots of shovels around.

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  129. Cassie

    Actually, you might have a point, but your point isn’t confined to “white males”. Please get on the next flight to Alice Springs and tell the young marauding indigenous males who, when not walking around supermarkets stealing and threatening decent people with bats, are bashing, raping and assaulting indigenous women and children. Please, please, please go and tell those young males to ‘lift their game‘, because you wanna know know what? They need to lift their game. And until you do this, eff off.

    m0nty=fa of Malmo and the Great War Against Wussian Imperialism go to Alice Springs? ROFLMAO. He has enough trouble getting his fat arse from his bed in the basement to the breakfast table, where he sits inhaling fatty foods until lunchtime.

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  130. Churchill disobeyed Orders at the Boer War.
    Shoulda been shot for it, according to a few Diggers.

    Ed is Peter Fitzsimian- confirmed! *
    Diggers is what Ed-Mong calls those little things that live in the same area he pulls his ed-facts from.

    Apart from a whole book collated from research, diaries, operations reports, and personal testimonies there is no proof the spook/flamer Mr Churchill was within 40 miles of the trenches.

    * In a glorious bit of justice entering fitzsimian into google brings up the pyrate on images straight away.

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  131. “I’m buying a long-handled shovel later today.”

    Be careful, next door neighbour got KIA by a brown. Went to retrieve the long handled shovel to deal with a brown, second brown curled up around the blade of the shovel. Got him multiple times in the upper parts of his leg.

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  132. H B Bearsays:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:43 am
    Of course, only the rich should pay tax. Standby for some Emmanomics from our guest lecturer, mUnty.

    Do those who married into the “upper middle class” count as “rich”?

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  133. Happy Australia Day, Cats.

    We’re off to a street BBQ at the top of our cul de sac. Plenty of flags, food, drinks, kids-on-bikes and general good fun.

    Australia, Australia we luvs ya!

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  134. Controversial expert is appointed to Biden food panel after claiming that obesity CAN’T be treated with exercise and good diet because it’s genetic – will now tell Americans what to eat

    . Dr Fatima Cody Stanford said obesity is a genetic issue, not lifestyle
    . She was recently appointed to a USDA panel that will decide new diet guidelines
    . A recent report found the US is among the fattest countries in the world

    PS Dr Fatima Cody Stanford possibly Amish!

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  135. Speedbox’s wife is Russian, she regularly returns to Russia to visit family. If Stalin was leader, returning to Russia was basically a death sentence and those who did (and there were a few) were arrested on arrival and either sent to a Gulag or shot in basement, usually the latter. Speedy, have you heard from your wife? Has she been sent to a Gulag? Has she been shot? Is she okay?

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  136. Richard Cranium

    When The State systematically removes children from their families, no matter what fig leaf the apologists and huffers and puffers want to put on it, the life outcomes of 99.999% of those children affected are going to be extremely sub-optimal.

    Let me re-phrase that.

    When The State systematically leaves abused children with the families that abuse them, no matter what fig leaf the apologists and huffers and puffers want to put on it, the life outcomes of all of those children affected are going to be extremely sub-optimal.

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  137. I have heard it said that a most effective weapon for k***ing sn***s is a length of heavy gauge plain fencing wire doubled over and twisted around itself.

    4
  138. Black Ball says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:39 pm

    Lining the pockets

    So Zelensky is driving out corrupt officials (again, from his own office) that were “part of a network embezzling budget funds.” This has reportedly been going on since before the Russian invasion began.

    I realize that the guy has been a bit busy with the war and all, but if there was an entire “network” embezzling money in the capital for that long, either he knew about it or he’s too incompetent to be running a lemonade stand, to say nothing of a government.

    Of course, Zelensky has been “driving people out” for a while now. Before the invasion, he locked up his chief political opponent. He also shut down media outlets that reported on his administration in a critical fashion. (Such as reporting on the money that had gone missing, for example.)

    In any event, please feel free to tell me once again how the people in Washington (few though they may be) who are calling for a full accounting of all of the money and material we’ve sent to Ukraine are engaging in “conspiracy theories.”

    How insulting, right? How dare anyone question where our money went? The whole system in Ukraine is clearly as pure as the driven snow.

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  139. Australia, Australia we luvs ya!

    I luvs old Australia! We should throw shit stained woke Australia in the bin and bring back the original!

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  140. Bruce of Newcastlesays:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:52 am
    Monty – Why don’t you search ‘poll debt ceiling’ and come back to us after you read the news reports from the last few days?

    m0nty=fa don’t do that research thing, he failed Economics 1 before the subject came up. Then he did a J’ism degree, where the skill is not necessary.

  141. Roger, thank you.
    Using the balls does work, albeit a slow process. Snakes have been know to swallow said ping pong balls, golf balls and white billiard balls.

    JC, try a set of snake repellers. I placed a set in my front yard to keep the dogs safe. As other commenters here suggested, I am also placing netting over any openings and along the fence line. When looking for snake repellers, I have to say they have come a long way since those green spikes that went beep and ran out of battery within a week.
    The set I bought are solar with a capacitor (not flux!) that has a three week back up in case of bad weather. They emit random vibrations and sound and also light up at night. So far, they seem to be doing the job. The rabbits haven’t snuck in either since I installed them.

    Also JC, make sure you keep the rake and the shovel together. As I have mentioned before, those two implements were always kept with the outside dunny. Rake for holding the Joe Blake down and the shovel for whacking off the head.

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  142. Russian losses as of today, not sure if it includes Wagner Group murderers and rapists sacrificed in North Korean/Maoist style human wave attacks.

    killed ~123,080
    wounded ~369,240
    prisoner of war ~1,000
    tanks ~ 3,161*

    Not even the BBC thinks its anywhere close to 123K killed. This is fantasyland stuff. As for the claims about Wagner ‘human wave attacks’, the videos I’ve seen are stock standard infantry fighting. Also, the difference between KIA/WIA and POW has a mighty smell to it.

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  143. Dotsays:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:54 am
    m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:38 am
    Geez Dot, no wonder you aren’t an economist any more if you deny that sales taxes are regressive.

    By definition, they’re not.

    This was taught routinely in economics until activist hacks tried the definition changing game.

    Don’t forget, m0nty=fa failed Economics 1, then did a degree in j’ism. He is not an eggspurt on anything except donuts.

  144. I have heard it said that a most effective weapon for k***ing sn***s is a length of heavy gauge plain fencing wire doubled over and twisted around itself.

    The advantage of this is that as long as you strike on the far side of the snake, the wire will flatten down and hit the snake. With a shovel you need to be 100% accurate.

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  145. debt ceiling

    Debt ceilings are an ineffective method of imposing a constitutional balanced budget constraint.

    In general, effective constitutional constraints involve the division of power.

    For a balanced budget, one should use:

    a) be a federation;
    b) the federal result each year, be it surplus or deficit, is allocated to the states – pass it down, not on;
    c) an insolvency process exists for bankrupt states.

  146. And, a cry for help from this forum of excellent advice

    over greasing
    under greasing
    too tight (as rick said)
    oils can weep out of the backing just because
    oils can oxidise and go gummy
    and the backing can gel
    a good one is thermal runaway where say over-packing a bearing can cause heat that makes the other problems worserer.

    bearings are cheap
    pull them all down and start from scratch

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  147. I think the last snake I killed was when I was about 16. Rabbit shooting, walking along the edge of the river in the bush. This freaking enormous black snake glides down onto the track immediately in front of me out of the rushes. This resulted in a from the hip mag dump out of my Sportco semi-auto .22, dirt and bits of snake flying everywhere. Old Australia! 🙂

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  148. Dr Fatima Cody Stanford possibly Amish!

    She’s thin and not very Amish looking. Admittedly her people do run to whale-size quite often, so maybe she has a point. On the other hand the Dems’ control of places like Baltimore is so miserable and disheartening I’d be inclined to eat myself to death too.

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  149. BREAKING: Project Veritas: Pfizer Exploring “Mutating” Covid-19 Virus Via ‘Directed Evolution’ To Continue Profiting From Vaccines (VIDEO)

    Project Veritas on Wednesday night released explosive video of Jordon Trishton Walker, Pfizer Director of Research and Development, Strategic Operations, admitting the pharma giant is exploring ‘mutating’ Covid-19 via ‘directed evolution’ so the company can continue to profit off of vaccines.

    “One of the things we’re exploring is like, why don’t we just mutate it [COVID] ourselves so we could create — preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we’re gonna do that though, there’s a risk of like, as you could imagine — no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f**king viruses,” Walker told the undercover Project Veritas journalist.

    “Don’t tell anyone. Promise you won’t tell anyone. The way it [the experiment] would work is that we put the virus in monkeys, and we successively cause them to keep infecting each other, and we collect serial samples from them,” he said.

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  150. Whether sales taxes are regressive depends on what they tax.

    I don’t think even Monty would argue that Keating’s tax on luxury cars was regressive.

  151. rickwsays:

    January 26, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    I have heard it said that a most effective weapon for k***ing sn***s is a length of heavy gauge plain fencing wire doubled over and twisted around itself.

    The advantage of this is that as long as you strike on the far side of the snake, the wire will flatten down and hit the snake. With a shovel you need to be 100% accurate.

    Yes.
    That bit of flex is your friend.
    Allegedly.
    But always strike from side on. Never behind.
    They can come back at you like lightning if you hit along their length.
    Allegedly.

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  152. A lot of snake-hate speech here today.
    This will change when you have a trans-snake in your family.

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  153. feelthebern says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:09 pm
    A lot of snake-hate speech here today.

    ..
    Discrimination against snakes of colour.

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  154. Whether sales taxes are regressive depends on what they tax.

    The proposal from Republicans today taxes everything at 30%, even groceries.

  155. Staying a few weeks back at the SIL’s house in Richmond, Melbourne. They have pet chooks, believe it or not.

    Recently two foxes were on top of the pen in the middle of the night, trying to get into it. Local council does nothing about it.

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  156. rickw says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:02 pm

    I think the last snake I killed was when I was about 16. Rabbit shooting, walking along the edge of the river in the bush. This freaking enormous black snake glides down onto the track immediately in front of me out of the rushes.

    This resulted in a from the hip mag dump out of my Sportco semi-auto .22, dirt and bits of snake flying everywhere. Old Australia! ?

    Yep Outback Trip 1962, 1947 Ford Prefect (3 speed & reversed up last 3kms to top of Mt Kosciuszko with
    Mate pouring water into radiator as boiling) having come over Dirt Dead Horse Gap road from VIC, 3 up – carried, single shot .22, winchester action .22 with scope, 303.25 bolt action with Scope, M1 carbine, Double Barrel Shotgun – good Roo & Rabbit shooting

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  157. The Left turns on our inspirational Australian of the Year: Outrage as Mike Carlton says Taryn Brumfitt is just someone who ‘makes a buck out of saying it’s OK to be a bit fat’ – as fellow middle-aged male TV journalist agrees

    Daily Mail

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  158. Let’s say Putin wins and annexes Ukraine.

    How many countries have now joined NATO and the EU? Since when has Europe cooperated to this extent?

    How many people have died, become invalids or emigrated due to the war?

    What is their age profile? Are they highly skilled or likely to become parents?

    He now incurs the cost of rebuilding the Ukraine and their indigent.

    The only thing in Putin’s favour is that Russia has a relatively low public debt.

    The demography of a greater Russia is damaged permanently and a quarter of the population would then hate his guts regardless of any other specific policy.

    Russia is strategically weaker than before the war and the only country suggesting a carve up of Russia is China.

    All Putin gets out of this is he gets to colour in another blob on a map.

    He could have called it a punitive mission and consolidated the east.

    He can call a truce right now and just interdict any future Ukrainian attack, regardless of their position. He has the east and a corridor to the Crimea.

    The longer the war goes on, the more cursed his prize becomes.

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  159. As well as 7,614 tanks and other armored vehicles.

    HOW TF DID UKRAINE GET 7,614 tanks, IFVs and SP guns???

    C. O. P. E. !

    Because they had more than that number of vehicles in 2022 in APCs and SPGs alone.

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  160. The point is that Republican populism is a complete lie. They are for tax cuts for the rich, and nothing else. That is all they managed to pass when they held all offices.

    The Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, MAGA, it’s all built on a lie. Republicans are the party of the Wall Street Establishment, who cares about low taxes, low wages and high immigration. Trump governed that way entirely, when you look beyond his rhetoric.

    Trump can try to pull another con by faffing on about herrenvolk socialism, but voters would be particularly stupid if they fell for that wheeze twice. Not that Rhonda Santos would be any better. Those are your options, wingnuts: astroturfed falsity or the genuine globalist article. Populism is nowhere to be found.

  161. flyingduk says:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    And, a cry for help from this forum of excellent advice:

    Duk, re your bearing problem: husband says to jack up the problem side & spin the wheel by hand looking for any drag. If there is discernible drag, you can buy a bearing kit to replace bearings.

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  162. The Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, MAGA, it’s all built on a lie. Republicans are the party of the Wall Street Establishment, who cares about low taxes, low wages and high immigration.

    ..
    Monty coming out against an open southern border?
    Trump was right?
    Build. The. Wall.

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  163. He can call a truce right now and just interdict any future Ukrainian attack, regardless of their position. He has the east and a corridor to the Crimea.

    Nonsense. Repeating this doesn’t make it true.

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  164. Sorry if this has already been posted.

    It’s in activists’ best interests to suppress voice scrutinyTHE MOCKER
    Follow @Oz_Mocker

    11:42AM JANUARY 26, 2023 123 COMMENTS
    Nearly six months have passed since Prime Minister Anthony Albanese suggested a draft referendum question for a so-called Indigenous voice to parliament. His strategy to persuade Australians to vote for the proposal is reflected in the lyrics of an eighties hit by English pop band Bananarama. Sing along, everyone: “But don’t it make you feel good”.

    In other words, dispense with the details and vote with your heart. You will be astonished, as was I, to learn that the Albananarama strategy is poorly suited to effecting constitutional change. As a survey commissioned by Nine Newspapers revealed this week, support for the referendum proposal has dropped from 53 to 47 per cent in just three months. Only 13 per cent said they could confidently explain what the voice is and how it would work.

    That is no surprise, given Albanese and Indigenous Australians minister Linda Burney have consistently prevaricated when asked about the model. Mind you, neither can be accused of abrogation when it comes to nobbling the no campaign. For example, donations to the yes campaign, unlike those to the opposing camp, will be tax deductible. Unlike the republic referendum, no public moneys will be allocated to the no campaign.

    Why? Because it is in the interest of activists to suppress rigorous scrutiny of the case for the voice. Take for instance Professor Marcia Langton, who, along with Professor Tom Calma, co-authored the Indigenous Voice Co-design Process. “Let me … warn that if a ‘no’ case is formalised, funded by the government, and included in the question to be put to a referendum, constitutional recognition of Indigenous people will almost certainly fail,’’ she told the annual Lowitja O’Donoghue Oration in 2015.

    This is a blatant case of denying voters their right to be fully informed. But writing in The Saturday Paper earlier this month, Langton had the audacity to accuse the no camp of waging a “hateful culture war” of “cynicism and redneck opportunism” based on “misinformation”.

    Voice advocates will retort that the government is not funding, at least not directly, the yes campaign either. But this is not equivalence. After all, Albanese is providing taxpayer money for a so-called “public education campaign” on the referendum.

    But the no campaigners can take comfort in Napoleon’s dictum that it is wise not to interrupt one’s enemy when he is making a mistake. If the PM’s hapless media performances of late are an indication of how he will press the case for the referendum, the government would be better off holding it tomorrow, regardless of the latest poll. Its chances will only diminish further every time Albanese fronts a microphone.

    Appearing on Sky News last week, he could not give a straight answer to host Chris Kenny as to whether the government would still legislate for a voice should the referendum proposal fail. This, from the man who promised his government would be “open, transparent, and accountable”. Compounding his mistake, he insisted to 2GB’s Ben Fordham that constitutional entrenchment of the model would not lead to activist litigation. “The Calma-Langton report makes it very clear that they do not want the body to be justiciable,” he said.

    As anyone with even a remote understanding of constitutional interpretation knows, this is a novice’s argument. This government has not even endorsed that report, nor did it commission it. In terms of authority, one might as well produce to the High Court the local bus timetable or the complete works of Enid Blyton.

    Albanese should have sought advice from Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue KC prior to announcing the proposed draft referendum question. But he admitted he had bypassed the government’s chief counsel, telling Fordham “I consulted serious, serious jurists around Australia”. There’s the rub, you see. Not just serious jurists, but serious serious ones. That terminology is another reminder the adults are back in charge, as Albanese declared following his election win. Incidentally, that is called opinion shopping. Were you too surprised to discover in that same interview that the constitution – our supreme law – is, according to the PM, merely a summary of “principles”?

    As for Burney, her contributions are equally uninformative. Like Albanese’s incessant references to his humble upbringing, she has a tendency to self-pity. Seemingly every appearance by this minister is prefaced by her lamenting she was not counted as part of the Australian population for the first 10 years of her life. Yes, that was a wrong that should never have happened, but what has that got to do with this referendum?

    Referring to the public order crisis in Central Australia, Burney told ABC radio this week: “If the voice of the parliament had been established previously … we wouldn’t be where we are in terms of Alice Springs at the moment”. That insistence is sheer delusion.

    A few months ago I spotted Burney by chance at a Chinese restaurant. It gave rise to a hypothetical conversation – what if a waiter explained the menu to Burney in the manner she responds to questions about the voice model?

    Waiter: Good evening and welcome. I’ll be taking your order.

    Burney: Thank you. Could I please have the prawn dumplings to begin with, followed by the Mongolian lamb and…

    Waiter: Sorry to interrupt, but we have revised our ordering process. This is our new menu. (Hands leatherbound folder to Burney)

    Burney: (Opens folder, revealing only a single page) There must be a mistake. Where are the dishes?

    Waiter: Look under the heading.

    Burney: The heading says ‘food’. There’s nothing listed underneath.

    Waiter: It’s what we call a principle-based menu. I’ll put you down for food for one, shall I?

    Burney: I’m sorry, but is this a joke?

    Waiter: I can assure you this new menu will be to your liking. The food will be delicious. It will nourish. It will enrich. It will bring diners together.

    Burney: Look, this doesn’t have to be a complex question. What dishes are you offering?

    Waiter: You don’t like the new menu?

    Burney: How can I like it when I know nothing about it?

    Waiter: Of course you will like it. The food is delicious. It nourishes. It enriches. It will bring diners together.

    Burney: So you keep saying. But how do I know what I’d be getting?

    Waiter: There is a wealth of information available on Chinese cuisine, which you can read for yourself. I suggest you start with ‘Classic Chinese Dishes’ by T. Calma & M. Langton.

    Burney: This restaurant endorses that book?

    Waiter: No.

    Burney: But nonetheless this restaurant serves the dishes contained in that book?

    Waiter: I didn’t say that.

    Burney: Then what is the point of reading it?

    Waiter: It will help you understand that the food we serve is delicious. It will nourish. It will enrich. It will bring –

    Burney: Will you stop saying that! If you can’t answer simple questions, then forget it. You’re not getting my business.

    Waiter: I urge you not to be divisive. After all, the Asian owners of this restaurant have generously extended their hand and asked you to walk with them on this journey. You don’t want to be associated with the xenophobes, do you?

    Burney: That’s preposterous! And by the way, you don’t even list prices on the menu. What’s this going to cost me?

    Waiter: It’s not our policy to reveal our prices upfront. But don’t worry, you’ll find out – eventually!

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  165. Amazing how you can show monty the difference between the burden and incidence of tax, different models describing what happens in a particular market or generally, dynamic models of incomes and that the predictions are reflected in empirical models & data – he is demonstrably wrong. A flat GST is not regressive (not even considering real world stuff like the wealthy shielding their income tax liabilities; Hollywood accounting is legendary in shielding income).

    “No I am right because of the incidence of the tax and savings are not investments or future consumption”

    You are wilfully dumbing yourself down so you can try to score points against the US Republican Party. This is sad considering you live in Australia.

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  166. Remove, inspect and grease the bearing.
    Torque to specification.
    Replace it and the shell in the hub if there is play or drag after doing all that.
    Or just replace anyway if they are cheap and plentiful.

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  167. m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:22 pm
    The point is that Republican populism is a complete lie. They are for tax cuts for the rich, and nothing else. That is all they managed to pass when they held all offices.

    Please tell us why you think Hollywood actors and producers paying very little income tax through tax planning is progressive and paying alternatively a 30% consumption tax is regressive.

    It is laughable nonsense!

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  168. You are playing rhetorical games – which is all economics is, if done poorly.

    ROFLMAO. Economics 1 failure m0nty=fa pontificates about economics. LOL.

  169. dover0beach says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:27 pm
    He can call a truce right now and just interdict any future Ukrainian attack, regardless of their position. He has the east and a corridor to the Crimea.
    Nonsense. Repeating this doesn’t make it true.

    Yes he can. I have outlined reasons, you have not. You’re assuming the most powerful man in the world can’t unilaterally impose a truce on an opponent incapable of entering into one voluntarily.

    It’s not an argument at all, just shilling for imperialism.

  170. Republicans are the party of the Wall Street Establishment

    Monty is funny. He agrees with us that elitist RINOs are the enemy, who spend a lot of effort in repressing actual conservative voters. Excellent Monty, the dark side is getting stronger in you. You are even closer now to metamorphosing into Ayn Rand acolyte Darth Monty!

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  171. Arky says:
    January 26, 2023 at 11:49 am

    The US will make back every cent and then some spent on the Ukraine in future arms sales.
    No one is going to want T80, T90 after watching them blown to shit by Abrams in footage after footage after footage.

    I was wondering why the Germans were reluctant to supply their tanks to the Ukr.
    Same as the US.
    Could be a money spinner, but also could be a disaster for them.

    Don’t go by the Iraqi experience, poorly trained crews in obsolete machines using the wrong tactics against a superior force are a different equation.

    Plenty of examples from WWII where superior tanks were defeated by better tactics.

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  172. m0nty says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:22 pm
    The point is that Republican populism is a complete lie. They are for tax cuts for the rich, and nothing else. That is all they managed to pass when they held all offices

    mOron, this is what you stand for- creating enduring misery with the deviants in charge;

    THIS IS AMERICA

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1618062777171742721

    You have no cred at all to criticize any conservative ideal when you are so fervently supporting the Kiddy Groomer in Chief and his cabal of freaks and creeps.

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  173. GemmaTognini
    @GemmaTognini
    Posted this on my Instagram account.
    It was removed as Hate Speech.

    Photo of Paul Hogan in a public bar, holding a schooner.
    Caption: G’day viewers, have a cracker Australia Day.

    Your Story Goes Against Our Community Guidelines.
    We removed your story because it goes against our Community Guidelines on hate speech or symbols.
    Even if you didn’t mean to offend, our guidelines encourage people to express themselves in a way that’s respectful to everyone.
    Story remove for hate speech or symbols
    Jan 26 at 12.01PM

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  174. Plenty of examples from WWII where superior tanks were defeated by better tactics.

    ..
    Logistics, training and support.

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  175. Member (AM) in the General Division. Emeritus Professor Jennifer Jane Hocking Kensington VIC. For significant service to the preservation of Australian political history.
    And for making bogus claims about it too.

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  176. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:46 pm

    GemmaTognini
    @GemmaTognini
    Posted this on my Instagram account.
    It was removed as Hate Speech.

    Photo of Paul Hogan in a public bar, holding a schooner.

    Caption: G’day viewers, have a cracker Australia Day.

    Your Story Goes Against Our Community Guidelines.
    We removed your story because it goes against our Community Guidelines on hate speech or symbols.
    Even if you didn’t mean to offend, our guidelines encourage people to express themselves in a way that’s respectful to everyone.
    Story remove for hate speech or symbols
    Jan 26 at 12.01PM

    Perfect Photo of 6’Oclock Swill Tiled bar reafy for Hose Out

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  177. Yesireee, that edumacation system is just churning out perfect new citizens for our country, never disciplined at home or at school, with no respect for others.

    Bus drivers in Western Australia are facing abuse, threats, or assaults on a near daily basis, according to their union, which is threatening a campaign of industrial action if safety on buses is not improved.

    The Transport Workers Union (TWU) held a summit this week following the alleged assault of a female bus driver in Victoria Park earlier this month, in which police say she was kicked and spat on.

    Bus drivers in Western Australia are facing abuse, threats, or assaults on a near daily basis, according to their union, which is threatening a campaign of industrial action if safety on buses is not improved.

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  178. I was wondering why the Germans were reluctant to supply their tanks to the Ukr.

    Their PzH-2000 SPGs have been embarrassing. Add this to the Puma mess and you can join a few dots…

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  179. Cassie of Sydneysays:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:48 pm

    dotty has been as far from home as Walgett, I believe cassie. Maybe Dubbo. Not sure. In any case he is personally clueless about what real life is like outside our borders- which of course the protection of which he’d happily see abolished. He’s only repeating textbook academic related claptrap.

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  180. Big Serge ??????
    @witte_sergei
    The Wall Street Journal claims America is planning to send 30 Abrams. Meanwhile, Germany has committed to 10 Leopards, and there are 14 Challenger tanks coming from the UK. So all told (pending Poland and other Leopard operators) we’re not even at a single Armored Brigade.

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  181. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:46 pm

    Just wow. They really hate Australia

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  182. Real life!

    Putin is going to annex a trashed country he ruined and at least 900,000 Russians have left Russia from its pre annexation borders. NATO is stronger than before the war and his materiel losses are staggering.

    He has permanently weakened Russia. They already had a demographic problem, now it has been compounded.

    Even Stalin, as evil as he was, did not imperil Russia as much as Putin is doing, even with a very ill thought out military purge.

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  183. Sancho Panzer says:
    January 26, 2023 at 1:37 pm

    No Chinese bearings.

    Beat me to it. Bit of a lottery these days though.
    Preferred brands are Fafnir, SKF, Koyo.

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  184. The Mocker in the Oz: …what if a waiter explained the menu to Burney in the manner she responds to questions about the voice model?

    Waiter: Good evening and welcome. I’ll be taking your order.

    Burney: Thank you. Could I please have the prawn dumplings to begin with, followed by the Mongolian lamb and…

    Waiter: Sorry to interrupt, but we have revised our ordering process. This is our new menu. (Hands leatherbound folder to Burney)

    Burney: (Opens folder, revealing only a single page) There must be a mistake. Where are the dishes?

    Waiter: Look under the heading.

    Burney: The heading says ‘food’. There’s nothing listed underneath.

    Waiter: It’s what we call a principle-based menu. I’ll put you down for food for one, shall I?

    Burney: I’m sorry, but is this a joke?

    Waiter: I can assure you this new menu will be to your liking. The food will be delicious. It will nourish. It will enrich. It will bring diners together.

    Burney: Look, this doesn’t have to be a complex question. What dishes are you offering?

    Waiter: You don’t like the new menu?

    Burney: How can I like it when I know nothing about it?

    Waiter: Of course you will like it. The food is delicious. It nourishes. It enriches. It will bring diners together.

    Burney: So you keep saying. But how do I know what I’d be getting?

    Waiter: There is a wealth of information available on Chinese cuisine, which you can read for yourself. I suggest you start with ‘Classic Chinese Dishes’ by T. Calma & M. Langton.

    Burney: This restaurant endorses that book?

    Waiter: No.

    Burney: But nonetheless this restaurant serves the dishes contained in that book?

    Waiter: I didn’t say that.

    Burney: Then what is the point of reading it?

    Waiter: It will help you understand that the food we serve is delicious. It will nourish. It will enrich. It will bring –

    Burney: Will you stop saying that! If you can’t answer simple questions, then forget it. You’re not getting my business.

    Waiter: I urge you not to be divisive. After all, the Asian owners of this restaurant have generously extended their hand and asked you to walk with them on this journey. You don’t want to be associated with the xenophobes, do you?

    Burney: That’s preposterous! And by the way, you don’t even list prices on the menu. What’s this going to cost me?

    Waiter: It’s not our policy to reveal our prices upfront. But don’t worry, you’ll find out – eventually!

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  185. Russian losses as of today, not sure if it includes Wagner Group murderers and rapists sacrificed in North Korean/Maoist style human wave attacks.

    killed ~123,080
    wounded ~369,240
    prisoner of war ~1,000

    Garbage. BBC stats below. I think it’s safe to say that the BBC has good access to UK Intel/Military numbers which of course will be very inflated for public consumption;

    Lord Bebo
    @MyLordBebo
    KIA calculation: BBC calculated Russian losses and found 12.200 killed by the 23rd Jan. They assume the real number is at max 60% higher in reality.

    This brings us to 12.200 + 60% is a total of 19.520 dead Russian soldiers in 11 months.
    -> roughly 1780 per month

    https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1617954373832945666

    Does anyone have a link to any reliable stats on Ukr casualties?

    I’m thinking they are desperate if they are forcibly conscripting overweight dudes like this;

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1618319841236254721

    Bottom line is that it’s extremely doubtful the war is going as well for Ukr as the MSM shills want us all to believe.

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  186. “Even Stalin, as evil as he was, did not imperil Russia as much as Putin is doing, even with a very ill thought out military purge.”

    Enough, this is ridiculous. You’re losing the plot. Tell that to the at least twenty million (the figure is probably as high as 50 million) that Stalin murdered.

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  187. The Hogan pic was likely struck down by Facebook’s silicon brain because of ‘cracker’, which it would have assumed was a derogatory reference to poor white US trash rather than an endorsement of cool drinks on hot days.

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  188. NATO is stronger than before the war

    Fantasy land. They are literally exhausting their military inventories so Ukraine can continue that little longer.

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  189. Snakes. Old Australia.

    Sometime in the seventies, husband and kids return from walking through the myall paddock (sandy loam, buffel grass, myalls, probably good snake country). One of the kids came close to stepping on a snake. As described to me: “and he did a quick Rodney Marsh and got out of the snake’s way”.

    I have heard of No 8 fencing wire being the preferred tool of execution, but have not seen it used.

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  190. Fantasy land. They are literally exhausting their military inventories so Ukraine can continue that little longer.

    What about Russia?

  191. As a kid clearing the bunny traps I came across Tiger that was obviously heading down a burrow for a little kit supper. It was trapped about two thirds along its length and was displaying a degree of displeasure. It damm near tore the trap out of the ground.
    I was having nothing to do with it and took off to get big brother with the shotty.
    He missed first shot which resulted in hysterics on my part. Not a wise move upon reflection, he did possess a Celtic temper.

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  192. GreyRanga says:
    January 26, 2023 at 2:22 pm
    Real Life, by Dot Zelensky. Get help.

    You know I only start making counter arguments each day once someone posts overly done Russian “information”.

    I’d like to know why a career in the trades outside of Australia (apparently the only authentic life for Australian males, despite being only a couple of thousand people, maybe they’re alpha gigs chads) would make one think being a Quisling is a good idea. “Zelensky should have just surrendered”. Yet it’s a faux pas to say an Australian leader should do the same thing.

  193. They have the factories and the resources to run them 24/7.

    You are comparing the industrial output of Russia to North America and Western and Central Europe.

    I’m the one not in touch with reality?

    It is a historical fact that Russian armour has always been second rate, hence why Arab armies were routinely routed by America and Israel.

  194. The Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, MAGA, it’s all built on a lie. Republicans are the party of the Wall Street Establishment, who cares about low taxes, low wages and high immigration. Trump governed that way entirely, when you look beyond his rhetoric.

    Dickless sprouts BS on Australia day, proving once again a lot of men have their brains in their dick and dickless has no dick.

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  195. Here’s the thing.

    Tell us when and how Putin wins and what he does with Ukraine and why he isn’t in a bad strategic position to the east or west now.

    I cannot see anything other than headaches for him.

  196. Dotsays:
    January 26, 2023 at 12:03 pm
    Cope more bluey. Russia literally is using T-34s.

    Why attack me for stating that the publicly available information makes it unlikely abrams are going to show up in Ukraine this year? Perhaps you need to cope harder? Or maybe just have a good hard look at yourself.
    One way or another the truth of it all will come out eventually, but I find it hard to believe claims of things like use of T-34 tanks when they’ve got tens of thousands of far more recent tanks in storage.

    People are so used to the pissant little insurgent wars the west has been fighting, they badly need to read some history like WW2, a genuine combined arms war is costly and requires enormous numbers of everything. It is not taking a city and game over, you must destroy the enemies will to fight.
    This Ukraine conflict is not there yet, for either side.

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  197. 14 out of 16 intensive care beds in Alice occupied by domestic violence victims. No information I presume on what, if anything, has happened to the perpetrators. So just patch them up, send them home, rinse and repeat. Welcome back to the stone-age; good times for everyone.

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  198. Black Ball says: January 26, 2023 at 2:08 pm
    Avi Yemini’s video below that tweet is revealing.

    Would that be this video? (not everybody sees the same feed)

    Some first class interviews on that. Even the dumbest most bogan conservative knuckleheads aren’t as air-headed as those lefties – and many/most of them are likely tertiary educated.

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