Open Thread – Tues 21 March 2023


Saturn Devouring his Son, Peter Paul Rubens, 1636


2,267 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 21 March 2023”

  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But it was very hot and I was in the air conditioning.

    Clouds and silver linings, Bear.

  2. Robert Sewell Avatar

    132and bush;

    An issue in the Murray electorate is a new transmission line linkfrom Wagga to SA.
    Apparently there’s been a lot of “Get out of the way, peasants!” going on.

    Gee. 900Km. That’s a long extension cord. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.

  3. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0nty=fa

    It was always the most obvious, outrageous and blatant crime that Trump pulled. It would be a failure of the US legal system if they couldn’t pin it on him.

    If paying off a pron person is the worst thing Trump has ever done, he is pretty clean.

    Tell us, how do you compare that with the credible rape allegations against Clinton?

  4. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    “Sometimes I am a man and a woman at the same time or I can change in a nanosecond, then change back just as fast.”

    This is the height of arrogance.
    How dare this bloke presume to know what it is to be the sex that he is not. And to reduce that differentiation down to not even a second of time, to a frippery; to less than the passing of a mood. Faster even than Jeff Thomson or Malcolm Marshall at their best.

    We are being had by this fraudulence.

    “Follow the evidence” is often pointed to by the left, be it global warming, the efficacy of the covid vaxxs, or any other spurious claim , like “always was, always will be…”.

    Well, there is no evidence for this tripe, just a puffing up of self-importance.

    Where are the logical positivists when you need them?

  5. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Calli:

    Growing spuds in garbage bins might be one of them.

    You gonna need a bigger bin. 🙂
    Or get a still and turn it into wodka as a trade good.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    All of the hidden Roman, Saxon and Viking hoards that turn up regularly via metal detectors in Britain are signal to just how much people buried their wealth for safekeeping and then never returned for it.

  7. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Richard Cranium

    Who, exactly, was punched [and knocked out].
    Kelly-Jay Minshull doesn’t say, but my guess is that it wasn’t one of her crew, it was a dopey Socialist Left drone who tried to unmask one of the Boxers and got knocked out for her trouble.

    Really, and the police didn’t intervene to protect their drone?

    Putting aside the minor point that at least two of the pseudo-Nazis were unmasked.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Buying home comforts and things you like to look at or use or both is always one thing to do with spare money. Home improvements, big or small, mean in times of trial you’ll always have a restful retreat. Get a bigger tele, buy some new saucepans, crochet a tea cosy, or have a bath with that French soap you just found clearing out your undies drawer.

    In that spirit of creating order from bookshelf chaos, I have organised for a company specialising in assembling flat-paks to come and install my three tall bookshelves and their glass doors. Hairy breathes a sigh of relief. It is well known that constructing IKEA or similar furnishing things is a sure pathway to marital discord. He is glad that I have recognised our days of needing to do that are over now. Of course, some people may find the joint enterprise enjoyably challenging. Good luck to them.

  9. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Gee. 900Km. That’s a long extension cord. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.

    Such as?

  10. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Just saw the news report of yesterday’s protest at Mark Latham’s speech. That was also the first time I saw Alex Greenwich, of course he would look like that, and threatening anyone who would go against him and his crowd. Greenwich is definitely of the opinion that “free speech for me but not for thee”.

  11. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Eight Startling and Uncomfortable Ways the Democrat Party Emulates the Nazi Party

    The Democrat party has been a stain on the nation since its founding in 1828 by a virulently racist president, Andrew Jackson. It was the party of slavery and the Confederacy, it initiated racial segregation by legislating and brutally enforcing Jim Crow laws. It unabashedly aligned with and supported the Ku Klux Klan for over nine decades, thus promoting antisemitism, religious persecution and xenophobia.

    Over the past 60 years, the Party has embraced and promulgated cultural Marxism which espouses the transformation of traditional American culture and society. The Party has succeeded in undermining the family structure and religious freedom as well as mainstreaming abortions up to the point of birth and what was once considered deviancy.

    The Democrat party’s two most exalted figureheads are the fervently racist Woodrow Wilson who set the Party on the path of undermining the Constitution in order to remold the United States into a “modern administrative state” (i.e., socialist) and Franklin Roosevelt who was enamored with and utilized Fascist principles in his “New Deal” thus permanently embedding them in the Party’s psyche.

    An unemotional examination of the underlying philosophies and the tactics the Nazi Party used to gain and maintain power reveals not just the common impulse to weaponize the judiciary to eradicate one’s political opponents (e.g., Donald Trump) but numerous other similarities between the Nazis and the Democrat party that cannot be ignored.

    Here are eight uncomfortable dimensions of that resemblance.

    – First, racial and ethnic division was a central component of Nazi political strategy and philosophy.

    – Second, In the 1920s and early 1930s, the Nazi Party relied on street riots, property damage and gratuitous violence utilizing their militant cadre, the Sturmabteilung (SA), to project power through intimidation while blaming others for the violence.

    – Third, in January 1933, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany. Within four weeks a mysterious, and in all likelihood staged, fire broke out in the Reichstag (Congress) Building which the Nazis blamed on Communist agitators as their opening salvo in a violent coup. Using this pretext, the Nazis rushed to arrest and harshly prosecute selected elements of their political adversaries, thus intimidating the balance.

    – Fourth, antisemitism was a foundational principle of Nazism. Antisemitism, through the Democrats’ nine-decade alliance with the Ku Klux Klan, has long been foundational in the Democrat party.

    – Fifth, the Nazi Party was fixated on censorship and eliminating any cultural institution, publication or speech that did not fully support them. Further, per socialist dogma, they were determined to destroy the family structure, replacing it with the state.

    – Sixth, the Nazis perfected the art of indoctrinating the citizenry through propaganda and “fake news.” Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, is credited with saying: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

    – Seventh, the Nazis, true to socialist ideology, preyed on class envy to stoke tensions and resentment as they blamed the Jews and wealthy capitalists for their nation’s economic woes.

    – Eighth, Hitler, after serving in World War I, was an avowed communist who eventually joined the National Socialist Party, later renamed the National Socialist Workers (NAZI) Party. He did so because it was larger and also espoused Marxism/socialism.

    The greatest threat to the survival of United States as founded is not offshore but within its borders: the Democrat party

  12. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Really, and the police didn’t intervene to protect their drone?

    Drones don’t matter, Cletus.
    You should know that by now.

  13. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    God bless the Lebos. 🙂

    (not the Lesbos)

  14. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:06 pm
    Gee. 900Km. That’s a long extension cord. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.

    Such as?

    Poor quality Chinese steel in the towers, plus aa strong wind, as happened in South Australia once upon a time. Why do you ask, Blog Spook?

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    IKEA – BILLY Bookcase with glass-doors, grey/metallic effect, 80x30x202 cm. It is estimated that every five seconds, one BILLY bookcase is sold somewhere in the world. Pretty impressive considering we launched BILLY in 1979. It’s the booklovers choice that never goes out of style. Basematerial: Particleboard.

    Cheap as chips too. They last and last. I am tossing out the one I have had now for over twenty years. Still quite good, but I only have one of them, and am going for uniformity.

    And as you read this, twelve more of them will have been sold worldwide!

  16. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    It slowly dawns on the West that Ukraine is not going to win

    Writer David Goldman, who writes as the brilliant “Spengler” at Asia Times, foresees an ending of sorts to the Ukraine conflict, based on the West’s inability to supply the resources to keep an extended war coming.

    In his latest Asia Times piece, he noted the private thinking going on of people who make up the foreign policy community:

    A gloomy assessment of Ukraine’s prospects for victory against Russia emerged from a recent private gathering of former top US soldiers, intelligence officials and scholars with resumes reaching from the Reagan to the Trump administrations.

    Short of trained personnel and ammunition, one speaker argued, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky might consider a Chinese peace plan, especially after Beijing’s successful mediation of the Iran-Saudi dispute.

    The several dozen attendees, many of whom had held cabinet or sub-cabinet positions, met under Chatham House rules, which forbid identification of individual participants but allow the content itself to be presented.

    Back in May on PJMedia, Goldman wrote that partition of Ukraine is inevitable:

    I argued in 2008 and on many subsequent occasions, including the February 2014 note in PJ Media reposted below. The obvious course of action in Ukraine was to permit its people to vote for a divorce, as the Czechs and Slovaks did. Instead we elected to keep the NATO option open for Ukraine, knowing that this was a red line for Russia. Never mind that Putin is a wicked fellow; he is a predictably wicked fellow with a well-defined understanding of Russian national interest, and his response to Ukraine’s prospective NATO membership was entirely predictable.

    After three months of nearly-unanimous media predictions of the collapse of Russia, it now appears that the Russian army is close to controlling the Donbas. Extricating it will be difficult if not impossible. The result, as Henry Kissinger suggested at Davos last week, will be (eventually) a peace in which Ukraine cedes territory to Russia. All the “don’t appease Putin-Hitler” rhetoric will simply make us feel shabbier when we make the deal. We should feel shabby. We screwed this up on the grand scale.

    It was gloomy stuff, and the conclusion was even more disturbing — that the U.S. should cut its losses now, with yet another humiliating defeat, letting Russia win, and letting China play peacemaker, because the U.S. would need to regroup and rethink its strategy as it did in the aftermath of the Vietnam War for more critical potential conflicts.

    The world’s great superpower we are no longer, and that’s Joe Biden’s doing.

    These are all striking essays by Goldman, a tremendous prognosticator with a deep well of knowledge of geography, history, and human nature. That the deep state government officials he spoke with are now coming around to what he foresaw as happening attests to the power of Goldman’s capacity to read global writing on the wall.

    All three essays are well worth reading here, here, and here.

  17. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    thefrollickingmolesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 3:36 pm
    Whenever the Cops challenged me, I just said that I was homeless and then they had no answer

    The greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes and pee stained trousers probably helped eh?

    How outrageous. And I grew up with Jethro Tull…………………… I demand to see my Lawyer, wherever he may be………………………

  18. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    OldOzziesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:08 pm
    Eight Startling and Uncomfortable Ways the Democrat Party Emulates the Nazi Party

    The Democrat party has been a stain on the nation since its founding in 1828 by a virulently racist president, Andrew Jackson. It was the party of slavery and the Confederacy, it initiated racial segregation by legislating and brutally enforcing Jim Crow laws. It unabashedly aligned with and supported the Ku Klux Klan for over nine decades, thus promoting antisemitism, religious persecution and xenophobia.

    The DemonRats will not rest until they have re-instituted slavery and serfdom, but with white Republicans as the slaves/serfs.

    Prove me wrong, m0nty=fa.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Blog-Spook. Oh, I do like that. Suits you, Ed.

  20. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    I’ve just had a conversation with a work colleague whose husband joined up with some Lebanese men and they went to the church last night in Belfield, to protect the church and speakers. Leb Muslims also went to help.

    People are seething. Well done to Latham for not flinching.

    Here’s my prediction, Labor and Liberal are going to bleed votes this Saturday, to One Nation and the Lib Dems. It’s gonna be an electoral bloodbath.

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  21. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    The greatest threat to the survival of United States as founded is not offshore but within its borders: the Democrat party

    I agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Aaargh. Went over the thread banner while scrolling up.

    It may be salutary and all that, but I don’t feel up to it today.

  23. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:10 pm
    Really, and the police didn’t intervene to protect their drone?

    Drones don’t matter, Cletus.
    You should know that by now.

    Thanks, should I cease to concern myself with you?

    PS, the correct name is Illustrious, I would suggest you broaden your education beyond The Simpsons, but I recognise that drones are programmed, not educated.

  24. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    All three essays are well worth reading here, here, and here.

    From the Comments

    – The money is actually going to defense contractors. Some of it is then kicked back to the Branden* gang — under the table, of course.

    – Of course, but the total US tax dollars spent to date (and pocketed by the Biden Crime Family and Friends)… doesn’t yet include the “Rebuild the Rubble” Ukraine fund.

    Stay tuned. That’s next.

    – As Trump came into office there was the real possibility that Russia would invade the Ukraine. Trump came into office, sold the Ukrainians anti-tank missiles (with no quid pro quo) and met with Putin. Soon thereafter the region was still.

    Uncle Joe is such a Donbas.

    – Ukraine should be dissolved with everything east of the Dnieper river going to Russia and everything west of the Dnieper river going to Poland. Historically Russia and Poland have controlled what is now the Ukraine for most of the last 700 years.

    By adding more territory and population Poland becomes a player in Europe.

    – If the writing is on the wall, how will the Ukrainians pay the Biden crime family?

    A “big” guess would be using some of the American funded foreign aid shipped over there by slimy Joey and his crime family.

  25. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Voices of Simpson’s characters.

  26. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Black Ball:

    With looming power outages you’d think Pesutto would be all over it like monty punching Nazis.
    But alas no.

    There’s only one scenario that takes all the facts and puts them logically:
    .1 Removing gas and coal from the power supply. This means there will be a shortfall of supply that will supposedly be filled by renewables.
    .2 The renewables will not be able to do the job.
    .3 So there will be a system of blackouts to ration the supply of electricity.
    .4 This has been the intention all along. 24 hour electricity is a luxury and you will have to cut down your use to ‘save the planet’.
    Problem: There will be no power at night to turn on the TV. Without the state broadcasting continuous bullshit about “How strong the community spirit is in coping with this Emergency” people are going to get the shits very quickly with scrabble, monopoly and poker. Well, not poker, but you know what I mean.
    Secondary problem: You’ll have to talk to those kids who have been emptying the fridge and you’ll find out half of them aren’t yours.

  27. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:16 pm
    Blog-Spook. Oh, I do like that. Suits you, Ed.

    Suggest to Hairy the alternative of Two Blogs Spooking, I think he will get the joke.

  28. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 3:51 pm
    All of the hidden Roman, Saxon and Viking hoards that turn up regularly via metal detectors in Britain are signal to just how much people buried their wealth for safekeeping and then never returned for it.

    Exactly. So, Dotty Dot of Dottiness, how did those hoards ever get there? Please explain………..No Saxons, No Angles, No one else?…………lol

  29. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Had a mate who was a perfesionnal assemblist for IKEA.
    Said three quarters of his callouts were from people who had assembled and disassembled and reassembled their Knivpar bunk bed desk hutch three times, but still had three screws left over.

  30. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Poor quality Chinese steel in the towers, plus aa strong wind, as happened in South Australia once upon a time. Why do you ask, Blog Spook?

    Back in your spidey-hole, Cletus.

    I’m asking self proclaimed explosives expert Robert Sewell what he’s suggesting at
    Robert Sewellsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 3:45 pm

  31. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Sicktoria

    Nazis, Trans and a Half-Cocked Liberal

    In Victoria, where the burlesque of honest government continues apace, Opposition leader John Pesutto has today announced his intention to move for the expulsion from the Liberal Party of upper house member Moira Deeming, whom he accuses of cavorting with white supremacists, neo-Nazis, transphobic hatemongers and nasty “ethno-fascists”. This sort of thing is becoming a habit for the Garden State’s purported conservative party.

    Last May the Liberals booted Bernie Finn, chiefly for the crime of stating that he prays for abortion to be banned. And in November, the Opposition’s then-leader, Matthew Guy, was adamant that a second conservative Liberal, Renee Heath, would not be allowed to take her seat in the party room.

    Now it is Ms Deeming, another church-going conservative, who is facing the chop, this Pesutto initiative arising from ugly scenes on the weekend when three rival rallies produced a further example of Victoria Police’s legendary lack of nous and competence. It seems that if VicPol can’t find lockdown objectors to pelt with rubber bullets, old ladies in need of being thrown to the ground for a pepper-spray spritz or investigations of Premier Daniel Andrews’ allies and associates that require deep-sixing, they content themselves with setting up photo opportunities that frame the Premier’s political foes in the worst possible light.

    That is exactly what happened on the steps of Parliament on Saturday, where a rally organised by women who don’t want biological men in their change rooms, prisons or sporting contests were opposed by a much larger counter demonstration of the usual Left suspects — Socialist Alternative and Antifa thugs prominent amongst them. To their credit, the police managed to place themselves between the ferals and the Let Women Speak rally, enduring a rain of spittle and obscenities that escalated to the point where three Left protesters were arrested for assault, one of them a 22-year-old man who allegedly wrestled a policewoman into a headlock.

    Then things went very weird indeed.

    Some dozen-or-so men in black T-shirts turned up and, instead of ordering them to leave, for some inexplicable reason VicPol ushered them into the open space between the rival camps, where they proceeded to perform the stiff-armed Nazi salute. The ones who weren’t masked sported broad smirks and smiles, Lebensraum for yellow teeth.

    Click, click, click, whir, click! The cameras produced a white noise of clattering shutters.

    The news, as reported by Melbourne’s reliably unreliable mainstream press, was that “anti-trans activists” were in league with the Austrian Corporal’s latter-day disciples and here were the photos to prove it. On the ABC’s 774 this morning (March 20), host Raf Epstein, whose own troubles with police haven’t crimped his career in the least, took to referring to the women’s rally as “people who want us to be cruel to trans”. The organisers, who held all the required permits to assemble and speak in public, included Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists and even the former senior Greens member and Left feminist Nina Vallins, who still dog-sits Adam Bandt’s pooch. None of that rated more than an incidental mention, if any at all, in news coverage.

    But it was enough for Pesutto, who was on 3AW this morning and telling Neil Mitchell that the rally organisers were friends of the Third Reich and how he didn’t want to lead a party that tolerated the likes of Ms Deeming in its ranks. Andrews & Co have been making hay.

    So what is Ms Deeming all about and what does Pesutto find so objectionable?

    Below is a lightly edited extract from her maiden speech to parliament in February. The full address, including her gratitude to the gay high school students she taught and her thoughts on the media, can be read here (do a CNTL+F on ‘Deeming’ to find her words).

    It would be nice if Pesutto were to tell the Liberal faithful just what it is that makes the young woman pictured below so reprehensible. — roger franklin

    UPDATE: Some lines from Pesutto’s own maiden speech:

    “Personal initiative and responsibility, free enterprise, the rule of law and the family — in all its appearances — are the touchstones of a philosophy that is vital. They are as important to our future as they have been to our past. Liberalism possesses all the power to unite rather than divide, to include rather than exclude.”

    Moira Deeming’s maiden speech can be watched in full via this link

  32. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    God bless the Lebos. ?

    (not the Lesbos)

    We have to recognise that some Lesbos have been doing sterling work standing up for real women.

    They of all people are the ones who know with great certainty what parts make a real woman.

    The other way to know is to get a mirror and have a good look and feel for yourself. A female nurse and I when I was in hospital and she was inserting a catheter in me had an interesting discussion about how many women have never done this mirror enquiry. We had both done so as teens. An inverted penis will never be the genuine bill of goods. No wonder Lesbos don’t want to date it.

  33. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Let’s have some Martin Armstrong and some crap from Dotty Dot of Dottinnes, Stencho Pantyhose and J Erk Off C Retin

    strong>South Africa’s Power Grid is Failing

    “South Africa is desperate for allies, economic allies. The country is failing and the people are suffering. There is international outrage right now misdirected at South Africa for its desire to host the Bric summit with Russia, China, Brazil, and India. The International Criminal Court (ICC) wants to arrest Putin for his war crimes, and President Cyril Ramaphosa is defending his position to invite Putin before the invitations for the event have even gone out. I warned that countries who were previously banned from discussions at the big table would turn to China and Russia for support since the West has abandoned them. “What about Ukraine!” the media cries. Well, what about South Africa? No one comments that the conditions in South Africa are WORSE than in Ukraine during an active war.

    South Africa was in a bad spot economically long before COVID. GDP grew by a mere 1% between 2012 and 2021, according to the World Bank. The nation’s entire infrastructure is crumbling, and the power grid is on the verge of complete failure. Blackouts are common, and many blame state-owned power plant Eskom which routinely cuts off the power grid to produce “rolling blackouts” to conserve power. These “rolling blackouts” can last over 12 hours. This affects fuel availability, phone and internet coverage, traffic lights, power to hospitals, etc. It also limits the availability of food and water. Crime is more prevalent during blackouts as there are no cameras or security systems. Rape and crimes against women are disgustingly common. Civil unrest is so prevalent that the president issued a “state of disaster” warning on February 9, long after the situation became irreparable.

    Statistics vary but there are about 82 murders per day in South Africa. The South African Police Service reported 7,555 murders from October to December 2022. As you can see from the chart above, crime is rapidly escalating. People are murdering farmers and anyone with a surplus of food. “Most murders take place in a public place, such as a street or an open field or a parking area – or at the residence of the victim (including places known to the victim or perpetrator),” Business Tech reported. “The Purge” is essentially taking place in South Africa right now.

    So what is the world police doing about this situation since they care so much about helpless nations? Nothing. The US government issued a warning that Eskom’s power grid will collapse. They are warning that there will be no water, sewage pumps, or fuel, and the nation will effectively come to a standstill. Eskom said that in the “best case scenario,” it would take 6 to 14 days to restart the power grid. Experts believe it will take longer if they can manage to restore the power at all. “What’s left after a blackout would be what was left after a civil war,” an anonymous source said.

    Poverty and the ongoing conflict have destroyed South Africa. The media would like people to believe that the nation is an enemy of the West because it is remaining neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. How exactly is it supposed to offer any aid when its own people are starving? The West even had the audacity to ask South Africa to support the climate change agenda, as if they have access to stable energy. One can only hope that the Bric summit is permitted this year and Xi and Putin can offer aid to South Africa’s people.”

  34. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    A guy convinced Democrats they could vote by text, and the government is mad

    Once upon a time, the goal in elections in a democracy was to get more votes than the other guy.

    No longer. Under the Biden administration, if a conservative tries to help his side win an election, he is liable, at least in the Eastern District of New York, to being hit with an indictment for conspiring with others “to injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate one or more persons in the safe exercise and enjoyment of a fight and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States, to wit: the right to vote.”

    The quoted language comes from the indictment in United States of America v. Douglass Mackey, case no. 1:21-cr-ooo80-ngg. The initials refer to the jurist presiding over the Mackey trial, Hon. Nicholas G. Garaufis, appointed to the court in May 2000 by President Bill Clinton. The case has proceeded to trial because, according to Times propagandists Colin Moynihan and Alan Feuer, the judge “ruled that the case should continue, saying it was ‘about conspiracy and injury, not speech’ and adding that Mr. Mackey’s contention that his speech was protected as satire was ‘a question of fact reserved for the jury.’”

    A matter of conspiring to commit conservative satire?

    According to the account in The New York Times, March 20, on the start of the trial, Mackey tried to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton from Democrat voters, “sometimes singling out Black people,” by falsely persuading them that “they could cast presidential ballots by text.”

    The indictment of Mr. Mackey is dated February 9, 2021. As Golda Meir told President Sadat when he landed in Israel in 1977, what has taken the case so long?

  35. dover0beach Avatar

    Philip Pilkington
    @philippilk
    ·
    5h
    Great summary of the talks. Russia and China are sketching out a new way for the world to do business. The West can ignore this, and fall into terminal decline; or recognise its reality, and begin to strategise to maximise its own self-interest. There is no third way.
    Quote Tweet

    South China Morning Post
    @SCMPNews
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    5h
    Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin vow to ‘significantly increase’ trade between China and Russia

  36. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Had a mate who was a perfesionnal assemblist for IKEA.

    He went nuts? 😛

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the Austrian Corporal’s latter-day disciples

    lol, Editor Franklin, you do have an admirable way with words.

    A good and very timely piece.

  38. Robert Sewell Avatar

    132andbush:

    He’s like a bollard in a footpath.

    I’d have said a thistle in a date roll, but whatever.

  39. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Sometimes I am a man and a woman at the same time or I can change in a nanosecond, then change back just as fast

    This is the equivalent of claiming the Village people really can construct a house/steer a ship/lead a war party of indians/ride a harley/rustle cattle and arrest you.

    To test this theory i will get paralytically, speechlessly drunk and sit in a wheelchair and see if i can hammer out a follow up to “a brief history of time”

  40. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    You’ll have to talk to those kids who have been emptying the fridge and you’ll find out half of them aren’t yours.

    There won’t be fridges.

  41. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    DB, there’s lots o’ confusing things going on there…

    As I said last week, I find it odd that the Polish Government (who truly are the JPII types) are so anti Russia but, having thought about this some more, I guess there could some historical residual distain (and maybe understandably so with recent “revelations” about JPII coming out from the former Secret Police of the USSR).

    Secondly, I get why Putin is going for trade deal with China but even that is a bit inconsistent with he defence of faith in signing up with a great anti-theist State?

    (I stand by all my earlier comments that it is baddies V baddies in this war and I’m on nobody’s side)

  42. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Here’s my prediction, Labor and Liberal are going to bleed votes this Saturday, to One Nation and the Lib Dems. It’s gonna be an electoral bloodbath.

    Cassie, I hope you are right. The worst thing that could happen is that Dominic forms government with Greenwich’s help which would really be a Greens government, much like the one at federal level. On the other hand, how different would it be to what we have now?

  43. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Insights from Quadrant

    The Yamashita wrinkle

    The charges recently laid against former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz for allegedly murdering an Afghan man in 2012 will be decided by the courts, meaning the merit of otherwise of the prosecution’s case must for now be left to judge and jury. But there is still room for speculation about the other 18 ex-soldiers reports say may soon face similar and related accusations, one key question being how high alleged culpability extends in the chain on command.

    This is a topic former military man Alistair Pope addressed two years ago at Quadrant Online in a piece it seems timely to reprise.

    Pope wrote

    …politicians and the current and recent crop of deskbound senior ADF brass (almost none of whom have been in combat) are opening a war crimes Pandora’s Box with their investigations of potential crimes committed in Afghanistan, the outcome of which they cannot determine. These corridor guerrillas and members of the Cardigan Corps apparently fail to realise that if any ‘crimes’ are indeed found to have been committed, and their soldiers are convicted, this will necessarily implicate and involve them too.

    This is because our political elites signed international conventions and laws of war that could well lead — should lead — to the prosecution of the witch-hunters themselves.

    It is known as the ‘Yamashita Standard‘, which holds that a commander is both responsible and liable for the war crimes of his truth.

    Alistair’s piece can be read in full here.

  44. JC Avatar

    Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin vow to ‘significantly increase’ trade between China and Russia

    From the Russian side, oil&gas and countless hookers. Russia will run a trade surplus on the services component on the trade account.

  45. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    OldOzziesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:27 pm
    Sicktoria

    Well said OldOzzie and Sicktoria indeed………………

    I am with you.

    JR

  46. JMH Avatar
    JMH

    Here’s my prediction, Labor and Liberal are going to bleed votes this Saturday, to One Nation and the Lib Dems. It’s gonna be an electoral bloodbath.

    Oh, please! Let it be so.

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  47. dover0beach Avatar

    Colin Wight
    @colwight
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    BREAKING NEWS IRELAND: Taoiseach Leo Varakar is asked whether Barbie Kardashian is a woman and states on the record that “I know a similar situation arose in Scotland & it was necessary there to change the law to make sure women were protected so we may have to consider that.” twitter.com/griptmedia/sta…

    Keep in mind, this is what shitlibs have been arguing since Saturday is perfectly reasonable, that normies were OK with it, and so on; and Pesutto thought he could make a name of himself by falling in lockstep. What a time to be alive.

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  48. JC Avatar

    Johnny Rotten says:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:32 pm

    Let’s have some Martin Armstrong and some crap from Dotty Dot of Dottinnes, Stencho Pantyhose and J Erk Off C Retin

    strong>South Africa’s Power Grid is Failing

    Here he is, the low rent limey peddling crap from the Leavenworth veteran.

    We needed Socrates to inform us that the Sth African power grid is in a bad way and the country is basically failing. Thank God for the Leavenworth vet, and thank God for Socrates.

  49. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Village People

    Is that Barry O on the right?

  50. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Cassie, I hope you are right. The worst thing that could happen is that Dominic forms government

    You mean Dominion?

  51. calli Avatar
    calli

    IKEA Billy and Kallax are their best sellers. I love my Billy bookshelves which replaced the ones the Beloved made me in the first years of our marriage. Before that, all my library was balanced on planks and house bricks.

    I waved goodbye to them seven years ago – a young lady was replacing her plank and house brick shelves. The circle of Life. 😀

    Kallax is terrific for hacks. I have a pair back to back with a top made by the local kitchen guys – storage and a cutting table at just the right height. Good stuff. You can make them mobile with casters.

    Of course, there is a dark side to IKEA. For example forestry in other lands displacing native species. And it’s odd that the Greenies have never demonstrated about the chemicals in the particleboard or coatings. Another one of those mysteries, like Greta now being a Doctor of Theology.

  52. dover0beach Avatar

    JC, the hookers joke is stale, and applies just as much to most Eastern European countries, if not more, than it does to Russia. Russia is going to probably give weapons tech that China doesn’t have, as well as assistance elsewhere. The Russians looked pretty happy with the deal so far.

  53. JMH Avatar
    JMH

    OldOzziesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:27 pm
    Sicktoria

    Thank you, OldOzzie for posting this excellent article.

  54. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    OldOzziesays:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:43 pm

    The standard you walk past is…. nothing to do with me??

    Either they were in control and liable, or they were bull teats and must return all their campaign medals for being in command.

    And as much as he was on the wrong side, Yamashita got a bit of a bum rap in that trail…
    Apparently most of the atrocities were carried out by Marine troops, not under his command.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_responsibility
    In the practice of international law, Command responsibility (also the Yamashita standard, the Medina standard, and Superior responsibility) is the legal doctrine of hierarchical accountability for war crimes, whereby a commanding officer (military) and a superior officer (civil) is legally responsible for the war crimes and the crimes against humanity committed by his subordinates; thus, a commanding officer always is accountable for the acts of commission and the acts of omission of his soldiers

  55. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    calli says:
    March 21, 2023 at 8:09 pm
    Zoe was at Blair’s. So many interesting people, Winston.

    I popped onto the wayback machine for late 2017. We were discussing gender reassignment six years ago and opining that any objections would be characterised as “hate speech”. Clue on the commenter…last word was “comrades”. ?

    I am just catching up with last night’s thread and found this comment. I remember Zoe Brain who was very knowledgeable about Canberra and military subjects. From what Tim Blair let slip from time to time I thought that might have been Cate MacGregor though I may be wrong.

  56. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Ha! Dr. Trinh standing for CASTLE HILL.

    So, what you’re really saying is you hate cows.

    (*Jordan Peterson rolls his eyes*)

  57. dover0beach Avatar

    Secondly, I get why Putin is going for trade deal with China but even that is a bit inconsistent with he defence of faith in signing up with a great anti-theist State?

    To the extent that China is only a ‘anti-theist’ state within its own borders, why not foster friendly relations?

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    10 minutes ago
    Coalition storms out of parliament over Nazi slur
    Jenna Clarke

    The Coalition, led by opposition leader Peter Dutton, has walked out in protest after a request was denied for the government to withdraw an attack on Mr Dutton for not condemning the Nazis who attended a Melbourne anti-trans rally at the weekend.

    Manager of opposition business Paul Fletcher requested Speaker Milton Dick retrospectively make the call on Wednesday despite the Coalition not calling for Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus to withdraw his comments on Tuesday.

    “When it was revealed that Victorian Liberal MP Moira Deeming had attended the protest the Victorian Opposition Leader (John Pesutto) moved he would expel Ms Deeming from the Liberal Party. But what have we had from those opposite, in particular, their leader? Complete silence … We all know that bigotry and hatred breed in silence,” Mr Dreyfus said.

    Following the outburst on Tuesday, coalition MP Dan Tehan rose with a point of order rather than a formal request to withdraw.

    “What the Attorney-General said was absolutely false,” Mr Tehan said.

    On Wednesday, after Mr Fletcher made the formal request, leader of the house Tony Burke said: “Tough things are said in this chamber.”

  59. JC Avatar

    Russia is going to probably give weapons tech that China doesn’t have, as well as assistance elsewhere.

    The joke is stale, how so? I’ve never read it anywhere other than if I’ve posted it a few times, and the closest I’ve ever seen to the hookers line is that the only thing that comes out of Cleveland are footballers and hookers. Perhaps you’re confusing that joke.

    Don’t make me laugh about Russia’s modern weapons prowess. If that idiot Putin is importing equipment from those despicable mullahs in Iran, the idea that China is desperate for Russian weapon technology is laughable.
    The most shocking thing about this war is just how totally useless the Russian military is and most likely has always been. Russia is indeed a country that needs nukes seeing how useless they really are.

  60. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    callisays:
    March 22, 2023 at 3:12 pm
    Thanks, Pogria. I’m in a similar situation to Steve Trickler with parents who simply obey the government no matter what. They aren’t cowardly in any way shape or form but they are trusting.

    Calli, what you wrote reminds of a scene in the movie Blue Sky. There was some skulduggery about poisoning the water or soil somewhere in Montana? The main characters went to warn the locals, cowboys and farmers, of said bad things being committed by the Government. The locals would not believe their Government would do something like that, to them. Always remember that scene. Good movie, Tommy Lee Jones was hot!

  61. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Lysander says:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:49 pm
    Cassie, I hope you are right. The worst thing that could happen is that Dominic forms government
    You mean Dominion?

    Ha, ha. Very good.

  62. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    There you go.

    The entire Rally was a Stunt to embarrass the Liberal Party in Victoria and Federally.
    At least Pesutto acted promptly to stem the bleeding, but Albanese and Burke are going for the throat now.

  63. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Crossie – its “funny” when you go on the wayback machine…

    I spent about four hours recently one night going through old tweets and I came across a howling argument I had with an LBG “rights group” in 2016. They called me all sorts of ridiculous names, and got their followers to pile on, for me saying that “gender fluidity” was coming next…

  64. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    H B Bear says:
    March 22, 2023 at 4:49 pm

    Village People

    Is that Barry O on the right?

    Really does looks like him – Definitely not the Moocher

  65. JC Avatar

    Do you understand Dover? Have you finally realized that, say, even if Russia wins this war against a relatively tiny neighbor, it’s finished being considered a global military power in the medium term, and possibly forever Has that sunk in, or are you still in the Baghdad Bob stage of rejecting reality.

  66. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    Here’s my prediction, Labor and Liberal are going to bleed votes this Saturday, to One Nation and the Lib Dems. It’s gonna be an electoral bloodbath.

    I think Perrotet just signed his political death warrant by admitting he got the health minister to call an ambulance for a family member because waiting in a queue as the public has to do is life-threatening.

    One rule for them and another for us — elitism at its worst.

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  67. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Here he is, the low rent limey peddling crap from the Leavenworth veteran.

    Lol and at least you and Dottie Dot of Dottieness and Mrs Stencho Pantyhose along with that Master Bate of the Universe J erk Off Cretin have such wonderful economic Gnus to tell us…………..LOL

  68. JC Avatar

    LOL. Another prominent Russian suicide

    Russian Pop Star Who Criticized Putin Found Dead After Drowning

    At least this week the suicide wasn’t out of a hotel window. FMD.

  69. JC Avatar

    ….…………..LOL

  70. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    mole

    And as much as he was on the wrong side, Yamashita got a bit of a bum rap in that trail…
    Apparently most of the atrocities were carried out by Marine troops, not under his command.

    The practical result would have been the same. The British wanted him for the murders of thousands of Chinese after the fall of Singapore, the Sood Ching.

  71. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:11 pm
    Do you understand Dover? Have you finally realized that, say, even if Russia wins this war against a relatively tiny neighbor, it’s finished being considered a global military power in the medium term, and possibly forever Has that sunk in, or are you still in the Baghdad Bob stage of rejecting reality.

    I’m with Dover on this and the rest of the real World. The UKR have no chance of winning. Full stop. None.

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  72. JC Avatar

    Lol and at least you and Dottie Dot of Dottieness and Mrs Stencho Pantyhose along with that Master Bate of the Universe J erk Off Cretin have such wonderful economic Gnus to tell us

    Why do you need us, you lowrent scumbag, when you have Martie and his Socrates?

  73. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Dreyfus makes Gargooglery KC look pretty good.

  74. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Dutton playing them like a Strad.

  75. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    … the Medina standard

    Captain Medina was found Not Guilty of 102[?] Murders at My Lai,
    Subordinate 2nd Lt. William Calley [who wasn’t present that day], was found Guilty of Murder.
    Some standard.

  76. JC Avatar

    I’m with Dover on this and the rest of the real World. The UKR have no chance of winning. Full stop. None.

    He needs your support like a hole in the head, you dimwitted dickhead. Being a cretin, you obviously missed that I didn’t say Russia would lose. Now piss off and stop trying to garner attention, Wodney Woddenhead.

  77. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:20 pm
    Lol and at least you and Dottie Dot of Dottieness and Mrs Stencho Pantyhose along with that Master Bate of the Universe J erk Off Cretin have such wonderful economic Gnus to tell us

    Why do you need us, you lowrent scumbag, when you have Martie and his Socrates?

    LOL and all you have is…………………………Short arse trousers and a short arse. An IQ below 100 like Ed Case and SFA …………………..

  78. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Paul Fletcher is a pretty hopeless Manager of Opposition Business.

    He’s a Pom, which wasn’t always a Black Mark, but is now.
    Is he a Spook?
    The Jury is out, but unless one of them has been nobbled, it’s not looking good …

  79. Zipster Avatar

    I’m with Dover on this and the rest of the real World. The UKR have no chance of winning. Full stop. None.

    this was obvious on day one

  80. JC Avatar

    and ……….., lots of ………..

    You dimwitted lowrent douchebag, Wodney. Go check on the ladyboy.

  81. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Stooopid effing Liberals.
    Flouncing, and a day late at that.
    They gotta learn that they have to drive the Twittersphere, like Andrews’ hundreds-strong office, not go home and check it before acting on their convictions.
    If I were leader of a parliamentary rump, this far out from an election, I’d act like I had nothing to lose. The only direction that Dutton is heading in is into the laughing stocks.

  82. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    The Jury is out,

    In your Head Case the Jury has come back in and said that you are Guilty for being a Knob Head………….

    Take him down said the Judge and send him to Uranus…….Or somewhere like that……………………..

  83. JC Avatar

    ………………..

  84. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:28 pm
    and ……….., lots of ………..

    Wow, and what an intellect you do not have…………….

    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    T.W.A.T……………….

  85. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:05 pm

    Don’t make me laugh about Russia’s modern weapons prowess. If that idiot Putin is importing equipment from those despicable mullahs in Iran, the idea that China is desperate for Russian weapon technology is laughable.
    The most shocking thing about this war is just how totally useless the Russian military is and most likely has always been. Russia is indeed a country that needs nukes seeing how useless they really are.

    Correct. Not shocking for the military analysts though, they had long known that Russia’s military was corrupt and crumbling. Even their so-called stealth fighter, the SU-57, of which they have only built 10 operational aircraft because they are so broke, is afraid of Ukraine’s old s300 surface to air missiles. The point of stealth is to penetrate hostile air space. The Russian air force is largely MIA, rushing in for a quick hit because it is incapable of taking out Sam sites. Pathetic.

    Russia now has to rely on China for microprocessors. Good luck with that. China’s fab plants are about 20 years behind everyone else. Huge military hardware implications chips are central to so much hardware. Russia is now taking old T62 tanks(first made in 1961!) out of storage, refitting them for the Ukraine conflict. Laughable, remember what happened to the old Iraqi tanks? Where’s their wonder weapon the Armata tank? A modern naval vessel taken out by a couple of mediocre missiles is ridiculous. Not as ridiculous as the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier requiring a sea going tug on patrol with it because it breaks down so often.

    That so called modern stealth fighter for export Russia is bragging about is nonsense. Have a look at the engine intakes. Far too small for a modern fighter with a powerful engine. They are that hopeless they couldn’t even make a convincing mock-up to promote sales.

  86. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:28 pm
    and ……….., lots of ………..

    You dimwitted lowrent douchebag, Wodney. Go check on the ladyboy.

    Go back to that silly bar and keep drinking that potion. You T.W.A.T.

  87. JC Avatar

    ……….. LOL , Wodney Wodenhead.

    Me loves you longs time Wodney

  88. dover0beach Avatar

    The joke is stale, how so?

    Because you always bring it up.

    Don’t make me laugh about Russia’s modern weapons prowess. If that idiot Putin is importing equipment from those despicable mullahs in Iran, the idea that China is desperate for Russian weapon technology is laughable.

    It isn’t laughable in the least. Countries have different expertise in different technical areas. The Chinese would love to have Russian missile tech. particularly their hypersonic missile tech., their submarine tech, their AD tech, and the like. The fact that Russians may or may not be using drone tech. developed or exploited by the Iranians is neither here nor there.

    The most shocking thing about this war is just how totally useless the Russian military is and most likely has always been. Russia is indeed a country that needs nukes seeing how useless they really are.

    The Russian military has hardly been used just yet which is why you continually see questions about when and where it is going to be used.

    Do you understand Dover? Have you finally realized that, say, even if Russia wins this war against a relatively tiny neighbor, it’s finished being considered a global military power in the medium term,

    It wasn’t a global power before that, they never had the Navy to be a maritime power. It is enough for the Russians to be a continental power. This idea that Ukraine was a ‘relatively tiny neighbor’ even though it had an armed service larger than the French, Germans, Italians and British combined is laughable, especially when this is supplemented by continued military assistance, either in terms of arms and armour, intelligence, personnel, and the like. And the thing is, militarily, they are only going to be stronger given the experience they will have gained.

  89. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Zipstersays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:28 pm
    I’m with Dover on this and the rest of the real World. The UKR have no chance of winning. Full stop. None.

    this was obvious on day one

    Well, tell Jerk Off C (JC) as he/she/whatever has no farking idea,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  90. JC Avatar

    Dover, you’re starting to sound like Pravda in the old Sov days.

  91. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    WA Liebor have really scored an own goal with the appointment of Ben Dawkins as Upper House MP.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/state-politics/brittany-higgins-condemns-new-wa-parliamentarian-ben-dawkins-labelling-appointment-as-mind-boggling-c-10119509

    Forget Britnah’s criticism, Dawkins has about 46 VROs against his name, I’m pretty sure he’s related to the former Dawkins Treasurer but the guy is as thick as too bricks (in intellect and stature).

    Not only did it take him about half an hour to open his mouth and answer each question posed to him by the meeja, when asked “are you of good character” he does “next question.” Who TF would answer that way???

  92. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    Dover, you’re starting to sound like Pravda in the old Sov days.

    JC, I appreciate you like being a contrarian, but that is very unfair.

    Like the rest of us, Dover struggles daily to separate fact from fiction in Putin’s outrageous and bloody territorial aggression against Russia’s neighbor.

  93. dover0beach Avatar

    Dover, you’re starting to sound like Pravda in the old Sov days.

    You sound like someone who reads the NYT.

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  94. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:43 pm
    Dover, you’re starting to sound like Pravda in the old Sov days.

    J Erk Off Cretin you are sounding like someone who is on the losing side. T.W.A.T.

  95. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    My apologies Cats, Dawkins has 40+ AVO breaches (which I think are different to VRO breaches?).

  96. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Good summary by Jesse Watters of why the demorats are going to indict Trump (8 mins):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ZSFBO95Y0

  97. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    JCsays:
    March 22, 2023 at 5:22 pm
    I’m with Dover on this and the rest of the real World. The UKR have no chance of winning. Full stop. None.

    He needs your support like a hole in the head, you dimwitted dickhead. Being a cretin, you obviously missed that I didn’t say Russia would lose. Now piss off and stop trying to garner attention, Wodney Woddenhead.

    What an annoying Windbag you are are. In fact, what a Farking Annoying Windbag you are……..LOL

  98. JC Avatar

    You sound like someone who reads the NYT.

    I do when I have time. I also read the Guardian and the WaPo. You should too in order to figure out what the left is saying and doing and why. Not reading the other side is what the left does.

    Then again you could rely on Martie’s analysis. Wodney does cartwheels over Martie the Leavenworth graduate.

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