Open Thread – Weekend 20 May 2023


Bedtime, Samuel Joseph Clark, 1881

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Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 20, 2023 12:04 am

First.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 20, 2023 12:05 am

Agggh! Autocorrect ‘fixed’ my pun! 🙁

Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 20, 2023 12:08 am

Throw to the song!

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 12:15 am

Articles in the Oz and Courier Mail about hydrogen. Decades away ! However you don’t get that impression when State Premiers are hyping it.

“the APA boss said that although the results were positive, widespread use of hydrogen as a fuel was far away.

“What’s important to understand is that being able to convert from natural gas to hydrogen is going to take decades,” he said.

“The requirements to be able to change industry production methods – or for a consumer to replace all of their existing appliances, cooktop, heaters, whatever it may be – that’s decades away for logistical reasons”.

mizaris
mizaris
May 20, 2023 12:52 am

Top 10 woot woot!!

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 20, 2023 2:07 am

To carry over a discussion on the old thread, a good and balanced summary of the current debate on dropping the A bombs. Goes about 20 minutes

https://youtu.be/h-3_zyNTmW4

Helen
Helen
May 20, 2023 2:23 am

Morning

Edddystone
Edddystone
May 20, 2023 2:29 am

Top ten.

At work carting the sick, lame and lazy into our caring Emergency Department tonight.

Tom
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 5:19 am

And no, the alleged number of saved lives to ensure victory by conventional means does not meet the standard of proportionality as required in just war moral theology.

The population including women and children was being trained to fight to the death C.L this made them combatons. You know this.
What other options do you have besides the ?omb or invasion.
A naval Blockade?

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 5:34 am

And do you think the Japanese would have changed it’s couture without the shock of the bomb, C.L?

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 20, 2023 5:55 am

The population including women and children was being trained to fight to the death C.L this made them combatons. You know this.

Not just this. What happened to the Japanese civilians on Saipan?

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 6:16 am

Articles in the Oz and Courier Mail about hydrogen. Decades away ! However you don’t get that impression when State Premiers are hyping it.

Over a trillion dollars (USD) has been committed to this globally.
If it’s ever going to be commercialised, it’s in the near future.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 6:19 am

Near future = 3 to 5 year time horizon.

Gabor
Gabor
May 20, 2023 6:33 am

Diogenes says:
May 20, 2023 at 5:55 am

The population including women and children was being trained to fight to the death C.L this made them combatons. You know this.

Not just this. What happened to the Japanese civilians on Saipan?

Not arguing the merit or otherwise of the bomb at all, but if these figures are correct, then the millions of potential allied casualties quoted above by someone are wrong.

Saipan had a significant Japanese civilian population. Many were killed in the fighting, but thousands more committed suicide, along with many soldiers, rather than come under the control of the Americans. U.S. casualties totaled 3,400 dead, and Japanese deaths were 27,000 troops and 15,000 civilians.

The proportions just don’t add up.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 20, 2023 6:43 am

Today in No Evidence of Election Fraud:
Wayne Root – “ In my #1 bestselling book back in 2013, “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide” I reported Obama’s plan was to “boil the frog slowly.” To destroy America in small steps, to move so slowly that we wouldn’t notice we were being destroyed, until it was too late. Hillary Clinton was supposed to finish the job. Hillary’s election was supposed to be Obama’s third term.

But Donald J. Trump came along and ruined the plan. Trump became the first politician in history to beat a rigged election. That’s why Hillary and Democrats were so shocked. Obama rigged it, so Hillary could not lose.”

mem
mem
May 20, 2023 6:47 am

The now-canceled charter flight, organized by the White House Travel Office, cost $760,000, or about $14,000 for each of the 55 journalists who’d booked seats on it. Journalists will immediately lose their deposits, about $7,700 each, and may be on the hook for the rest, according to a memo sent to reporters on Wednesday by Tamara Keith, president of the White House Correspondents’ Association.

So Biden travels with 55 journalists. Now there’s a group that could be replaced by AI.

duncanm
duncanm
May 20, 2023 7:04 am

I find Stan Grant’s story arc somewhat ironic.

Everyday bloke, wouldn’t have know what race he was (or wasn’t), successful and well respected news reader then investigative journalist.
Promotes his Aboriginal identity, goes full retard (never go full retard) and gets employment at the ABC. Promoted to one of their most high profile spots (Q+A host).
Resigns in disgust due to constant racial abuse.

Is there a lesson here, Stan? I doubt most will spot it.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 7:12 am

Good to see Eddystone popped in during his shift last night.

Reading the stories about mothers and daughters filled me with grief. I don’t know you ladies at all well, but I feel for you in your sorrow. On trying to place myself in your situation, I just came up blank, it would be like having your heart ripped out. So chin up, people can change – I’ve seen it happen – they just have to get to the end of themselves first.

When I look at my three daughters (yes, three because d-i-l regards herself as a daughter) I know my good fortune has nothing to do with me. No “mothering”, no genetics, no supposed perfect parenting style. Just blind good luck and good, solid adults all around who appear to care for others more than they care for themselves. It is very humbling.

mem
mem
May 20, 2023 7:15 am

Hmm, disappearing ticks this morning when refresh. Is it just me or are there gremlins at work?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2023 7:21 am

Turns out the Taser-happy jack in Cooma had 12 years in the job. This means he’s had a decent level of experience.

The picture wireless says he’s been ‘removed from active duty’, which is code for suspended.

If and when the lady concerned dies, this will (or should) become a homicide investigation. All the Blue Heelers scripts tells me that you are up for The Big One – i.e., moida – if you commit an act that has a reasonable and/or foreseeable outcome of the death of another.

Those 12 years of experience will count against him. I’m quite sure there’s a manual somewhere that says you shouldn’t use Tasers on people covered in petrol, known to be epileptic or of advanced years.

The NSW Police dude who drew the short straw to front the presser said ‘Nobody is above the law’. If you compare that to the past few times SA and Quenthland jacks ventilated people, and the brass said words like ‘confronted with a deadly threat’ and ‘reacted according to their training’, then Constable 12 Years is in for the high jump.

And rightly so, should this pan out.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 7:25 am

Not arguing the merit or otherwise of the bomb at all, but if these figures are correct, then the millions of potential allied casualties quoted above by someone are wrong.

I don’t think so. Look at Okinawa and Iwo Jima. They are small islands.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2023 7:27 am

Razey-san on the OOT:

It wasn’t until Russia threatened to to invade the home islands that the Japanese agreed o the allies terms

Ivan had plenty of people, but zero experience in amphibious operations and very little (and obsolete) equipment with which to do it.

The last Japanese success of the war was the slaughter of a ‘test’ Russian invasion of one of the outer islands.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 20, 2023 7:27 am

Your morning dose of schadenfreude, Hun:

Opposition Leader John Pesutto is bracing for a hostile reception at a Liberal Party conference on Saturday.

He will address party members at a State Council function in Bendigo where he is expected to outline his vision to reform the party.

It comes as speculation mounts over a potential challenge to his leadership.

Sources said they expected “the knives to be out” for Mr Pesutto when he addressed members, with protesters planning to interrupt the speech.

Members have openly discussed a mass walkout, booing, and appearing in Moira Deeming masks.

Mr Pesutto’s decision to initiate moves to expel Mrs Deeming after she attended a Let Women Speak rally in March have caused widespread anger across grassroots members.

Federal Liberals were left enraged by Mr Pesutto’s insistence to expel Mrs Deeming, which he instigated in the week before the Aston by-election.

Even staunch allies questioned the move and Mr Pesutto’s political judgment, citing his inability to deal with the matter in-house.

“He’s lost the party completely,” one source said.

“I think the general view is that the only way out of the mess we’re in is for John not to be there.

“The branch members think he’s shown a woeful lack of judgment. ‘Why did you create this mess?’, that’s what they’re saying.”

On Friday, the Herald Sun was told MPs had been gauging interest in a potential leadership challenge.

It is understood support for a coup was also being courted outside the parliamentary team. Former leader Michael O’Brien, who has privately ruled out a return to the role, and opposition treasury spokesman Brad Rowswell have been linked to the speculation.

Mr Rowswell described speculation over leadership grumblings as fantasy.

Mr Pesutto won the leadership in December by a single vote. However, his political judgment was called into question after he moved to expel Mrs Deeming.

He buckled to pressure and agreed to a compromise deal that resulted in Mrs Deeming incurring a nine-month suspension before successfully moving to expel her.

“John is finished. It’s just a matter of when,” one senior Liberal source said after he struck the deal.

He is now subject to the threat of defamation proceedings by Mrs Deeming.

Despite Mr Pesutto’s claims that Mrs Deeming now faced expulsion from the wider Liberal Party, state president Greg Mirabella said the move was not being considered by the powerful administration committee.

It is widely considered there is no appetite from branch members to expel Mrs Deeming. Sources also questioned whether there would be enough support within the party room to mount a challenge.

Supporters of Mr Pesutto pointed to last week’s vote to expel Mrs Deeming, which passed 19-11, as a vote of confidence in him. (not exactly a ringing endorsement)

A leadership challenge would be the fourth since March 2021 when Brad Battin failed in a coup against Mr O’Brien. Matthew Guy then successfully challenged for the job in September 2021. Mr Pesutto beat Mr Battin for the job by a single vote in the wake of November’s thumping election loss.

Gee I wish I was there but I must away to local football with the sons.
And just before I prepare, greeted to scenes on the television of Albo at a table with Biden and Sunak. How he must have felt a tickle on his ballbag in the company of those 2 dickheads.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 7:35 am

I thought CL’s point was that Japan had made overtures to Stalin to mediate peace negotiations and he’d refused.
That would have been a better outcome.
Yes some Japanese generals wanted to fight on, I think even despite the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but in the end faced with the sheer horror of it the Japanese Emporer broke free and announced a surrender.
It’s not simply a case of bombs or fighting on sacrificing thousands more allied lives but that there could have been a brokered peace without either scenario.
Why I’m entirely sick of war in Ukraine, no-one is interested in negotiations, it’s just more weapons, more lives.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 7:45 am

If I was confronted with an 95 year old using a walker and holding a knife, I’d have grabbed a straw broom.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 7:45 am

“and appearing in Moira Deeming masks.”

Please make it happen.

Petros
Petros
May 20, 2023 7:46 am

Mem love that idea that journalists could be replaced with AI. So funny and true. Thanks. Here’s hoping that someone can suggest this to journalists during a live interview.

Razey
Razey
May 20, 2023 7:46 am

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan – The Soviet Union Did

Once the Soviet Union had declared war, Stalin could no longer act as a mediator — he was now a belligerent. So the diplomatic option was wiped out by the Soviet move. The effect on the military situation was equally dramatic. Most of Japan’s best troops had been shifted to the southern part of the home islands. Japan’s military had correctly guessed that the likely first target of an American invasion would be the southernmost island of Kyushu.

https://learningfromchina.net/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-the-soviet-union-did-important-analysis-in-us-foreign-policy-magazine/

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 7:49 am

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan – The Soviet Union Did

Except they surrendered on American warship and were occupied by America.

Too bad, learning from the CCP.

Razey
Razey
May 20, 2023 7:51 am

Further:

The Soviet 16th Army — 100,000 strong — launched an invasion of the southern half of Sakhalin Island. ‘Their orders were to mop up Japanese resistance there, and then — within 10 to 14 days — be prepared to invade Hokkaido, the northernmost of Japan’s home islands. The Japanese force tasked with defending Hokkaido, the 5th Area Army, was under strength at two divisions and two brigades, and was in fortified positions on the east side of the island.

Razey
Razey
May 20, 2023 7:53 am

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan – The Soviet Union Did

Except they surrendered on American warship and were occupied by America.

Too bad, learning from the CCP.

Nope.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

The Japanese were aware of Russian brutality. Why surrender to them?

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 7:54 am

Mem love that idea that journalists could be replaced with AI.

Future tense? I look at Cooper and Cuomo and wonder. 😀

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 7:57 am

My source (Fr Paul Glynn) says Hirohito was influenced by the bombs and forced the hand of the Supreme Council with his radio announcement.
He certainly became more accessible to his people after the war, visiting both Hiroshima and Nagasaki including a personal visit with Takashi Nagai, author of the Bells of Nagasaki.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:05 am

Always good to have a laugh early in the morning. John Ferguson, journalist at the Oz, describes Johnny Prosciutto as “showing deep courage”.

I suppose if I didn’t laugh, I’d cry.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 8:06 am

The NSW Police dude who drew the short straw to front the presser said ‘Nobody is above the law’.

The VicPlod who dropped the punter on his head at that railway station was.
Got off scott free.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 8:07 am

Great Leak today.
Thanks Tom.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
May 20, 2023 8:10 am

Meme;

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Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2023 8:14 am

Re US fatalities:

If the war had continued through 1945 it would have meant around 8,000 fatalities a week, given the addition of the Marines in a rough estimate. If the war had continued through 1946 an average of around 13,500 a week would have been incurred. Given the presence of other Allied forces – the British Empire and its Dominions, and other countries, why should we not say a realistic estimate of deaths of around 15,000 a week?

Saving lives was an imperative in most minds. In an edition of Harper’s magazine US Secretary of War Stimson wrote: “My chief purpose was to end the war in victory with the least cost in the lives of the men in the armies which I had helped to raise.” In his following paragraph he noted the use of the weapons ended the firebombing of Japanese cities and the blockading of their ports, thus saving their citizens’ lives too.

For some revisionists it doesn’t matter. Collie, for example, criticises the haste in which the second bomb was deployed, saying that “the invasion of the Japanese home islands wasn’t scheduled till November.” So what? As Sweeney points out: “During the three short months since Harry S. Truman had been president, the United States had sustained almost half of all Americans killed or wounded in the Pacific since Pearl Harbor.” Anyone reading the first hand accounts of those times is drawn into realising as the war neared Japan was living on borrowed time. EB Sledge’s First Marine Division was to make a landing close to the Yokosuka Naval Base, “one of the most heavily defended sectors of the island.” The Marines were told, he recalls, that:

…due to the strong beach defenses, caves, tunnels, and numerous Jap suicide torpedo boats and manned mines, few Marines in the first five assault waves would get ashore alive – my company was scheduled to be in the first and second waves. The veterans in the outfit felt we had already run out of luck anyway…. We viewed the invasion with complete resignation that we would be killed – either on the beach or inland.

Ch 15: Atomic Salvation

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2023 8:17 am

Imagine being the US President after the end of a war in which hundreds of thousands of allied casualties were taken invading the Japanese Home Islands and your population finds out that you had a very expensive and war ending weapon with delivery system THAT YOU DIDN’T USE and your sons/fathers/husbands either didn’t come home or came home maimed as a result.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 8:18 am

Here comes the Ford Tranny Truck!

With Salty.

https://youtu.be/jePaNcppRDU

Heinrich Ford’s Dearborn Independent may have undergone some editorial changes!

This woke corporate stuff is on an open spigot right now, someone in the Cathedral has decided to go all out or run interference for Anheuser Busch In Bev.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 8:22 am

What we know for certain with recently found documents is that the Navy and Emperor were convinced to surrender after the second atom bomb. The Army still did not want to surrender and a coup was possible, the Emperor used the radio address to assert his semi-divine authority.

It was only the threat of MORE nuclear attacks that they Navy and Emperor saw sense to unconditionally surrender.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 8:25 am

Here’s a hypothetical on “doing evil so good may result”.

It’s 2001 and you have intel that a couple of jets have been hijacked and are heading towards NYC with the intention of crashing into buildings and killing thousands. Do you shoot them down over farmland? What if you’re on one of those jets and decide to crash it to thwart the plan?

Japan, at the end, was on a suicide mission. Even their own culture condoned it and options were running out.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 8:26 am

“and appearing in Moira Deeming masks.”

Masks still one of the SAffies contributions to world cricket.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:26 am

“Great Leak today.
Thanks Tom.”

Yep, sums it up perfectly.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:28 am

I’m pretty sure the residents of Dearborn aren’t behind this LGBTQIARSE+ stuff.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
May 20, 2023 8:30 am

Beautiful painting Dover.
Absolutely beautiful.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 8:31 am

Casualties on Okinawa, from Wiki:

~12,500 American dead.
37,500 wounded

~110,000 Japanese dead military total.
77,166 IJA & IJN dead.
30,000 Okinawan conscripts dead.

40,000 – 150,000 civilian dead from a pre war population of 300,000.

Okinawa (the main island of the prefecture where this battle was fought) is only 1,207 sq km.

So a square of land less than 35 km by 35 km.

The Battle for Okinawa was roughly as bad as a nuclear bombing, but with roughly one division of American troops killed off and three more wounded.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 8:32 am

I see the VIC Liberals gathering in Bendigo has already been mentioned.

This could be the grass roots membership’s last stand.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
May 20, 2023 8:33 am

Thanks KD for the info. Sounded like a crap situation but I had reservations from what I was reading in the public domain.

FTB don’t forget kerb stomp copper or the fat Senior SGT that slammed a 70yo to the ground. Personally I think a full and public Royal Commission into Vicpol is warranted on their conduct under COVID Some of these cases should be re-examined and charges laid if needed.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:42 am

C.L. is right that there are always moral issues around war and weapons, perhaps not 200 years ago, but certainly now. There’s no way those two bombs would be dropped today.

Israel could today raze Gaza the ground, but it won’t, knowing that the human death toll would be horrendous, and Jewish law is very specific about killing, particularly in war. Instead Israel uses targeted killings, and it shows great restraint, despite the world’s media always accusing it of “war crimes”. The IDF has already hunted down and killed the terrorist scum behind the murder of Rebbetzin Dee and her two daughters. I’m not saying Israel always get its perfectly right but it does well considering.

I understand the necessity of dropping those two atomic bombs in 1945, the death toll was horrendous however it did finish the war, and I see the good that has come out of it, which is that no country has used such weapons since. I don’t cast Japan as a victim in 1945, the death and destruction caused by Japan’s military expansion throughout the Pacific and Asia in the 1930 and 1940s was horrendous, particularly in China. I mentioned last night the Nanjing massacre, even the Germans at the time were shocked by what the Japanese did.

I should also note that the Japanese have never apologised for its wartime atrocities.

I don’t think, in 1945, that there would have been any Australian or American who would not have supported the use of the atomic bombs.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 8:43 am

This could be the grass roots membership’s last stand.

Not the Alamo!

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 8:43 am

Listened to a “Australians” podcast by Will Kingston of Spectator magazine with Andrew Bogut.

Pity there are not a few more well known sportsmen like him who can speak out. In his case he is lucky to be immune from cancelling but says he has lost opportunities for being outspoken.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 8:44 am

Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t Military targets an d the firebombing of Tokyo in January 1945 had been far mopre horrib le.

What’s the argument?:
The Magic new weapon made them decide to call it quits?
The War was the idea of the IJN, the IJA was lukewarm.
It was over for the IJN following the Battle of Midway in 1942, everyone concerned knew that.
But, War is the Health of The State, so the Yanks kept it going 3 more years.
The money [and corruption] involved was staggering:
LBJ got Brown & Root a $357 million [in 1942 $$s] Contract to build ships for the Navy in San Diego.
Up until that day, their experience had been limited to 30 years building
roads in rural Texas.
Everyone got into the act
FDR son Elliot Roosevelt landed on a procurement team to buy fighter aircraft for the USAF.
Following extensive wining and dining by Howard Hughes flunkies and Hookers, young Elliot settled on a wooden fighter and also bought the Spruce Goose as a Transport and signed contracts to build both with a metal frame.
It was all quietly reversed during the Truman “Administration”, but Hughes still got paid.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 8:44 am

Oops should be Australiana.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 8:45 am

A nice touch.

U.S. to Honor Key Ally: Future USS Canberra to Be Commissioned in Australia (19 May)

The future USS Canberra (LCS 30) will join the U.S. Navy active fleet on July 22 with the service’s first international commissioning ceremony destined to be held Down Under on the waters of Sydney Harbor.

The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Fleet Base East in Sydney, NSW, will provide the backdrop for the event.

Canberra is the first U.S. Navy warship to be commissioned in an allied country. It is the second U.S. Navy ship to bear the namesake of the Australian national capital.

USS Canberra is one of the littoral class catamaran-hulled ships built by Austal. They seem to’ve done better than their monohull sister ships built by the US constructor. The modular package thing didn’t work for either of them unfortunately, but as purpose-built ships we could do worse than getting some built by Austal in the US, since they can produce them quickly. I defer to Top Ender though on all this!

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 8:46 am

Yesterday someone posted a comment that ‘the average’ Aussie purchases X number of clothing items annually.

It strikes me that the average Australian discards too FEW political parties/policies/politicians, & seldom shops for something better fitting, more comfortable, or of better quality material. Why?

Why do we not even consider recycling or discarding those green (with two yellow stripes down the flanks) tracky daks we haven’t worn since 1986?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 8:48 am

Another interesting article by Janet A regarding Higgins case. Has a defence lawyer ever been given a bigger gift than the Moller report? Once Higgins and DPP knew defence had that must have known going to be difficult. Lawyer Whybrow says the delay caused by Wilkinsons Logies speach helped the defence considerably as able to gather far more information.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2023 8:49 am

To outdoor pursuits!

P
P
May 20, 2023 8:49 am

Make nuclear disarmament a priority, Catholic bishops urge G7 Summit

Hiroshima hosts the 49th G7 summit May 19 to May 21. The event brings together leaders from the U.S., Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and the U.K. to discuss matters of global importance. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a major issue at the meeting.

The four bishops urged G7 leaders “to undertake concrete steps toward global, verifiable nuclear disarmament.” They deemed the current nuclear arms race to be “more dangerous than the first.” They cited “multiple nuclear actors and the advent of new cyber and hypersonic weapons and artificial intelligence.”

“Former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara asserted that humanity survived the Cuban Missile Crisis only by luck. Luck is not sufficient to ensure the continuing survival of the human race,” their letter said.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 8:50 am

Not the Alamo!

Would be a turn up if it becomes a Little Big Horn, with Pesutto playing the role of Custer.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 8:52 am

PS. Hopefully DPP Drumgolds future involves defending minor traffic cases.

shatterzzz
May 20, 2023 8:54 am

I wonder what the level of “peaceful” protest would be, today, if US police had tasered a 95yrs old granny? .. Slightly higher than in Oz, methinx ..!

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 8:55 am

It was only the threat of MORE nuclear attacks that they Navy and Emperor saw sense to unconditionally surrender.

You pulled that outta your arse, you low IQ dope.
2 Atom Bombs was all they had, and in any case, the Japanese Government weren’t impressed by the A-Bombs one way or the other, they’d been trying to surrender for years and the Yanks finally relented on their demand of Unconditional Surrender.

The rest is a Fairytale concocted to give Truman cover for deliberate Mass Murder.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 8:55 am

The Liberals have been making our a**e look big & insulting our dignity for arguably a decade. There are people in the third world who would love to repurpose our outdated political fashion choices.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:57 am

“Another interesting article by Janet A regarding Higgins case. Has a defence lawyer ever been given a bigger gift than the Moller report? Once Higgins and DPP knew defence had that must have known going to be difficult. Lawyer Whybrow says the delay caused by Wilkinsons Logies speach helped the defence considerably as able to gather far more information.”

I posted the piece by Janet A on the old thread. I find the actions of Legal Aid ACT distressing. They basically wanted Lehmann to plead guilty.

From the piece by Janet A…

Legal Aid ACT insisted it would not allow Ms Higgins to be challenged in court as a liar, but simply “perhaps mistaken about versions of events”.

In other words, Legal Aid ACT wanted Lehmann to admit he raped Higgins, be convicted and be sent to prison, however they were willing to contest such things as whether La Higgins was wearing knickers or not.

Unbelievable. All credit to Whybrow and Lehmann’s lawyer for taking on the case, pro bono.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 8:58 am

It was only the threat of MORE nuclear attacks that they Navy and Emperor saw sense to unconditionally surrender.

I don’t have a reference, but apparently there was a belief that there was a third bomb, which would be dropped on Tokyo.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 8:59 am

Make nuclear disarmament a priority, Catholic bishops urge G7 Summit

More likely the opposite will happen.

Standing Up Against China: UK and Japan Agree New ‘Hiroshima Accord’ Defence Pact (19 May)

Both Japan and the United Kingdom are set to sign a new defensive agreement aimed at marginalising China, officials from both nations have reportedly confirmed.

It marks the latest measure implemented by the UK government against China, with the country engaging in more militaristic and meta-militaristic operations seemingly aimed at curbing the Communist nation’s influence worldwide.

According to a report by The Times, the “Hiroshima Accord” will be the latest instance of this phenomenon, with the agreement set to help both nations secure their supply lines in the face of possible aggression from Beijing. It follows a recent agreement by the UK and Japan to cooperate on developing the next generation of stealth fighters together.

I wonder if Japan is covertly building nuclear weapons right now? They have quite an incentive to be doing so.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 8:59 am

What if you’re on one of those jets and decide to crash it to thwart the plan?

That’s more or less what happened on flight 93.
I don’t think we could label the intentions of the hostages as evil though.
Still pointing out that CL wasn’t claiming the only options were bombs or a land invasion but there were overtures for negotiation that were thwarted by Stalin.

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2023 9:00 am

“John (Pesutto) is finished. It’s just a matter of when,” one senior Liberal source said after he struck the deal.

Thanks for your reporting at 7.27am, Black Ball.

Blind Freddie could have told the Stupid Frigging Liberals that Pesutto is an electoral disaster waiting to happen who has alienated most of the women who had wanted to vote for the SFLs.

It turns out the SFL rank and file have already worked that out but the losers in the SFL party factions are keeping Pesutto in the hot seat.

The SFLs remind me of the white blokes dressed as tribal Abos this weekend trying to conjure up public support at AFL grounds for “indigenous round” and the noble savage myth. Yeah, that’ll work. LOL.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 9:03 am

That’s more or less what happened on flight 93.

Yes. It was.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 9:06 am

I don’t have a reference, but apparently there was a belief that there was a third bomb, which would be dropped on Tokyo.

Tokyo was already completely destroyed following the raids of Jan 29/30 by the USAF.
As Air Force General Curtis LeMay later said:
If we’d lost the War, we woulda been hanged as War Criminals

bons
bons
May 20, 2023 9:07 am

I never did trust that Lehrmann character.
For heaven’s sake, the ABC wrote him a letter and he didn’t respond. Just what kind of person would refuse to accept ABC truths at face value. Guilty as charged.
I fervently hope that he doesn’t accept a deal with them. The Tame/Higgins ABC sponsored lie and defamation fest has got to be worth squillions.
What a shame that Morrisson comitted his defamation (spell wrecker got it right when it changed this word to defecation) in the House. Seeing him bankrupted would bring such pleasure.
The question de jour is whether the RC will move on to explore the whole corrupt anti-male culture that permeats the Canberra Village Council kangaroo court system.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 9:13 am

Canberra – Australia’s weeping chancre.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 20, 2023 9:13 am

Imagine being the US President after the end of a war in which hundreds of thousands of allied casualties were taken invading the Japanese Home Islands and your population finds out that you had a very expensive and war ending weapon with delivery system THAT YOU DIDN’T USE and your sons/fathers/husbands either didn’t come home or came home maimed as a result.

Quite, notwithstanding the ADFs arguably unconstitutional actions during COVID*, the role of a nations military is to defend that nations citizens, not to minimise casualties amongst its enemies – or, to paraphrase Arnie:

To anihilate your enemies, before lunch, on the first day, with a 100:1 kill ratio, then to help themselves to the cattle and the women…..

* I refer to their participation in border closures, home detention checks etc.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 9:14 am

feelthebernsays:

May 20, 2023 at 8:07 am

Great Leak today.
Thanks Tom.

Yes.
The Oz yesterday had a photo of our very creative DPP drinking a beer in his driveway.
No doubt he is bitching about being “hounded by the media”.
Two differences between Dumgold and Lehrmann:-
1. The pressure Dumgold is getting is barely 1/10 of that applied to Lehrmann; and
2. Dumgold is being “hounded” for something he actually did.

Makka
Makka
May 20, 2023 9:18 am

I should also note that the Japanese have never apologised for its wartime atrocities.

And it’s education policies and content blithely ignore that period.

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2023 9:19 am

One thing for the peasants and whatever they want for themselves.

Liberal city exempts celebrity chef’s restaurant from gas stove ban

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 9:20 am

The Australian shilling for Lehrmann while NewsCorp is being sued for Defamation by this same Lehrmann?

Smells a bit fishy, I’d say.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 20, 2023 9:21 am

I posted the piece by Janet A on the old thread. I find the actions of Legal Aid ACT distressing. They basically wanted Lehmann to plead guilty.

Indeed. And for those who remember him, the driver of the big black ‘Freedom truck’ at the Canberra rally is still before the courts and has been told the same thing by legal aid – if he doesnt plead guilty to at least some of the charges, they wont represent him …. ie cop something, or represent yourself against the full power of the state in the Supreme Court!.

PS …. It is now *6 months* since I handed the AFP their arses in the Canberra courts, and they are yet to pay my costs, as they were ordered.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 9:21 am

Just had one of those freaky coincidences.

Reading this blog during breakfast in a coffee shop. Pick up on the conversation on the next table and a knowledgeable guy is talking about the bombs and invasion of Japan !

Interrupt him to tell him about what I had just been reading and recommend and show the blog to him. Mentioned Top Ender background as an author posting good comments on the subject.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:22 am

Out & about bright and early this morning.
Surprising the pockets of homeless people you see.
Not camps, but clearly more than a single person sleeping rough.
I don’t know the answer but there has to be a way to take a homeless person & make them semi-productive.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 9:23 am

Disney nukes the fridge again.

Nolte: Disney’s ‘Indiana Jones 5’ Debuts to Brutal Reviews (19 May)

The upside is it doesn’t sound too woke, although there’s some Star Wars-ish you-go-grrl stuff from what I can gather. At least she’s not a tranny. The downside is it sounds like the story basically sucks.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2023 9:24 am

I don’t have a reference, but apparently there was a belief that there was a third bomb, which would be dropped on Tokyo.

ZK2A, read “Five Days in August”. On Amazon Kindle. The team that were assembling the bombs for loading on the B-29s thought they would be there for 6 months at least, taking delivery of bombs, loading them and the B-29s would drop them on Japanese cities, one by one, until the Japs surrendered.
A third bomb was in production and expected to be ready for use in late August 1945 with more in the pipeline every couple of weeks after that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 9:24 am

Bourne1879says:

May 20, 2023 at 8:52 am

PS. Hopefully DPP Drumgolds future involves defending minor traffic cases.

Dennis Denuto
Solicitor and Barrister
Conveyancing, Wills and Parking Matters
As Seen on TV

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 9:24 am

And it’s education policies and content blithely ignore that period.

Story goes that the history text, used in Japanese schools until the early 1970’s, stated that “Japan went to war throughout the Pacific, in 1941, and caused great inconvenience thereby”, followed by two pages on the horrors of the atomic bombings.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2023 9:24 am

Flyingduk,
Perhaps time to subtly ask AFP ACT is there a statute of limitations regarding making reports of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and perjury.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 9:24 am

I hope that the Bendigo Liberal shindig is a repeat of what happened at CPAC last year, when the audience (including myself) erupted in furore when the Liberals took to the stage, and a man had to be restrained from climbing on the stage. It was great.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 9:27 am

It is now *6 months* since I handed the AFP their arses in the Canberra courts, and they are yet to pay my costs, as they were ordered.

It’s a good thing “nobody is above the law.”

Why, we’d have government agencies disregarding court orders!

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:27 am

PS …. It is now *6 months* since I handed the AFP their arses in the Canberra courts, and they are yet to pay my costs, as they were ordered.

Didn’t BOF pass some law or make some regulation that makes NSW government agencies pay undisputed invoices within 30 or 60 days?
Too long ago, but I remember him saying how it was wrong that the Qantas bills were paid pronto but the local sandwhich shop had to wait six months.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 9:27 am

ZK2A, read “Five Days in August”

It’s on my library shelves, some time since I last read it, I’ll add it to the “To read” pile.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 9:27 am

I now believe Bruce Lehmann to be not just innocent, but to be the victim of one of the most heinous media and legal pile-ons in Australian history. Still not on a par with George Pell but near enough.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:28 am

and a man had to be restrained from climbing on the stage.

Insurrection !

P
P
May 20, 2023 9:28 am

Taylor Marshall Running for President: What Does This Mean?

Popular—er, mega-popular—Catholic author and podcaster Taylor Marshall has announced he will enter the race to become the next president of the United States. Responses to his announcement have been mixed, which is understandable, and many are skeptical of his decision, questioning both his motives and whether he has any serious shot at advancing.

will
will
May 20, 2023 9:28 am

Yes some Japanese generals wanted to fight on, I think even despite the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but in the end faced with the sheer horror of it the Japanese Emporer broke free and announced a surrender.

interesting details on the attempted coup here

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 20, 2023 9:29 am

… Japan had made overtures to Stalin to mediate peace negotiations and he’d refused.
That would have been a better outcome.

How would the Nipponese Empire keeping Manchuria and Korea
be a better outcome for anyone, apart from the Nipponese Empire?

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 20, 2023 9:30 am

I wonder what the level of “peaceful” protest would be, today, if US police had tasered a 95yrs old granny? .. Slightly higher than in Oz, methinx ..!

Depends on whether she was

– black
– an aspiring rapper
– ‘turning her life around after falling in with the wrong crowd’
– a gentle giant
– holding her hands up and shouting ‘dont shoot I cant breathe..’

or …. White.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 9:31 am

Not camps, but clearly more than a single person sleeping rough.

Safety in numbers.

Meanwhile, the press has been featuring international students complaining about the cost of living in Australia. But/Bet their accomodation would have been pre-arranged and on long term leases courtesy the universities.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2023 9:33 am

There’s wrong, there’s very wrong and then there’s Ed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 9:33 am

Voice cuck aka Chris Kenny makes a call for bipartisanship in Teh Weekend Paywallian. They’re getting nervous.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 9:34 am

I posted the piece by Janet A on the old thread. I find the actions of Legal Aid ACT distressing. They basically wanted Lehmann to plead guilty.
Lehrmann had means, motive and opportunity.
Plus he comes across as a sleaze.
Lehrmann’s friends claim he’s been financially ruined, yet he qualified for Legal Aid and all his Legal Work has been Pro Bono?
Someone’s Pullin’ The Piss here.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:37 am

But/Bet their accomodation would have been pre-arranged and on long term leases courtesy the universities.

Student accomodation is typically semester to semester but with discounts if you pay for a year in advance.
PS talking genuine student accomodation.
Most international students who live in purpose built student accomodation stay on average for less than 12 months before they move out.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:40 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
May 19, 2023 at 10:38 pm
C.L. was that assessment before or after the allies discovered what the POWs had endured?

After the surrender, when the questioning began.

After the heavy naval losses off Okinawa (36 ships sunk, almost 400 damaged), Nimitz informed King and Truman that the USN could not support the Operation Olympic landings on the Japanese home islands.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:41 am

If you walked around Melbourne for a day, you’d walk past 7-8 towers that look like decent resi blocks or office towers that are all student accommodation.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 9:41 am

I now believe Bruce Lehmann to be not just innocent, but to be the victim of one of the most heinous media and legal pile-ons in Australian history.

I not sure whether he is innocent or not but the case should not really made it to trial. The trial process worked as it should – despite the efforts (and failures) of a number of people involved. Pell was different, and arguably much worse.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 9:42 am

How would the Nipponese Empire keeping Manchuria and Korea
be a better outcome for anyone, apart from the Nipponese Empire?

Not suggesting that that would/should have been the outcome but some attempt to negotiate should have been made pre bomb.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 9:44 am

If the Liberals were an EDT (cologne):
What would it smell like, &
What would it be called?

(Would you use it to subdue a 95 year-old?).

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 20, 2023 9:45 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 9:46 am

Calli, thank you for your supportive words to me and Vicki and other mothers in ongoing distress. Your recognition of mothering distress does help in this vale of tears, something which men also feel in their own ways, for it’s clear that Matrix, KD, Rabz and others here have familial hurts that occasionally show a little. We wouldn’t be human and this wouldn’t be the sort of forum it is if such things didn’t arise now and then.

In morning’s light, let me say that my heart was ripped out by the end of my first marriage and then by its effect on my two sons, the only children from that marriage. I analysed correctly last night why my daughter has some hostilities to me over that. She is fundamentally a very good person, but an awkwardness has arisen between us over her half-brothers as they are now. My broken heart was healed by a new loving husband and giving birth to our son and this daughter. Hairy was an involved father. Together we brought these two up well, with love and happy family times, so I have been lucky. He tried hard with my two older boys, but it wasn’t always easy for anyone in the family. I also have two rather loving daughters-in-law. More good luck. (This is why I don’t diss family members who are politically different from me, as they are both very woke in their outlook.)

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:46 am

bespokesays:
May 20, 2023 at 5:19 am
And no, the alleged number of saved lives to ensure victory by conventional means does not meet the standard of proportionality as required in just war moral theology.

The population including women and children was being trained to fight to the death C.L this made them combatons. You know this.
What other options do you have besides the ?omb or invasion.
A naval Blockade?

How many (predominantly the very young, the old, women and the sick) would have died of starvation or cold had the blockade continued across the winter?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 9:46 am

Second rate students receiving second rate education in second rate accommodation.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 9:47 am

There are three towers within 250ms of where RMIT teaches accounting.
One literally next door.
Pre COVID, approx. 40% of RMIT students were international.
No idea what those numbers are like now.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 9:47 am

It is now *6 months* since I handed the AFP their arses in the Canberra courts, and they are yet to pay my costs, as they were ordered.

They have to save money so they can afford to buy new garage Nazi costumes, since their old ones are going out of style.

Australian Senate panel recommends Nazi symbol ban (19 May)

At least tiki torches are cheap from Bunnings.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 20, 2023 9:49 am

It’s a good thing “nobody is above the law.”

That only applies to nobodys…..

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 9:54 am

If you walked around Melbourne for a day, you’d walk past 7-8 towers that look like decent resi blocks or office towers that are all student accommodation.

There was a boom is building student accomodation blocks in Brisbane pre-covid.

The local regional uni still has residential colleges and a townhouse village adjacent for internationals.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 9:54 am

feelthebern says:
May 20, 2023 at 9:47 am

There are three towers within 250ms of where RMIT teaches accounting.
One literally next door.
Pre COVID, approx. 40% of RMIT students were international.
No idea what those numbers are like now.

Funny you mention that. I know a couple who are professors at Melbourne uni. I saw them two days ago and asked that same question. They said that the foreign numbers are returning – especially from China. The reason apparently is that the Chinese government no longer recognizes online degrees, which means they have to physically show up.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 9:55 am

Not suggesting that that would/should have been the outcome but some attempt to negotiate should have been made pre bomb.

Japanese terms were the retention of Manchuria and Korea, the retention of the Emperor, no occupation of the Home Islands, the Japanese Army to supervise it’s own disarmament, and Japanese “War Criminals” to be tried in Japanese Courts. The Americans, with not so fond memories of the Treaty of Versailles, weren’t interested in such terms.

Delta A
Delta A
May 20, 2023 9:55 am

Good to see Eddystone popped in during his shift last night.

Indeed. And Bushkid; great to see you back.

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 20, 2023 9:55 am

What would’ve been an acceptable outcome for all parties
had Hitler said “Let’s end this foolish war.” after Kursk?

Digger
Digger
May 20, 2023 9:57 am

Not just this. What happened to the Japanese civilians on Saipan?

Possibly the most effectively brain washed population in history.

Tragic and unimaginable…

wal1957
wal1957
May 20, 2023 9:57 am

From Black ball at 7:27…

Mr Pesutto’s decision to initiate moves to expel Mrs Deeming after she attended a Let Women Speak rally in March have caused widespread anger across grassroots members.

The stupid f’n liberals seem to be determined to rid themselves of any of their remaining grassroots supporters.
Good! Hopefully the rusted on supporters will look at the alternatives to this so-called conservative party. The liberals don’t deserve any vote.
The liberal party as it is now is just another version of labor with quite a few greenies tossed in the mix as well.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 9:58 am

The Libertarian Party in WA (there have been numerous attempts at a more doctrinaire pardee before AFAIK) will be miffed the LDP members want the name “Libertarian Party”.

The problem for the purists is that they have very low membership vs the LDP which IIRC has maybe 10,000 members…

I am all for a purist party at least to keep the LDP true but if they’re all for abolition; they’re really anarchists. I reckon they know that’s an awful name to use.

Is the reincarnated Free Trade Party still around? They had interesting ideas like a taxpayer weighted Senate – the more tax you pay, the more votes you get.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:59 am

Ed Casesays:
May 20, 2023 at 8:44 am
Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t Military targets

Hiroshima was a major naval port, Grandpa Ed.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 10:00 am

Bruce Lehrmann is innocent and Ricky Slater is still dead; Ben Batterham is still free.

Makka
Makka
May 20, 2023 10:01 am

Not suggesting that that would/should have been the outcome but some attempt to negotiate should have been made pre bomb.

The razing of city after city in Japan was a negotiation.

When you surrender, we stop the bombing. Capice?

What must be remembered is that Imperial Japan had been murdering it’s way around Asia and the Pacific for more than a decade by this time. Horrendous slaughter and outright brutality much of it against innocent civilians. Millions killed by Japan’s forces. There was no trust afforded Japan by ’45. They had to totally capitulate or be made to. Millions of families and the Allies demanded a complete wiping out of Japan’s warlike mentality that only abject capitulation could deliver. And that’s what the bombs delivered. Insular, warlike and murderous Imperial Japan brought on it’s nuclear destruction all by itself.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 10:02 am

Hiroshima was a major naval port

Hiroshima was also the “home town” of the Army division which had carried out the horrific “Rope of Nanking”, and there were some who thought the bombing “divine retribution.”

Bar Beach Swimmer
May 20, 2023 10:04 am

What a lovely painting, DB! Today, the love and care of fathers for their children is too often undervalued, ignored or, by angry feminists, vociferously disputed. Males, masculinity and fatherhood are good things.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:06 am

The reason apparently is that the Chinese government no longer recognizes online degrees, which means they have to physically show up.

That’s pretty much what the world is returning to.
BlackRock have told their staff they need to come back to the office 5 days a week.
WFH & “hybrid” expectations need to be dialled back.

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
May 20, 2023 10:06 am

“I don’t have a reference, but apparently there was a belief that there was a third bomb, which would be dropped on Tokyo.”

Apparently carried by “Joy’s Pride” but the mission was aborted.
Yokohama was the target.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 10:06 am

The reason apparently is that the Chinese government no longer recognizes online degrees, which means they have to physically show up.

What a novel idea.

Pogria
Pogria
May 20, 2023 10:07 am

Makkasays:
May 20, 2023 at 9:18 am
I should also note that the Japanese have never apologised for its wartime atrocities.

And it’s education policies and content blithely ignore that period.

I understand the want and need for recognition and apology from the Japanese after the war. However, look to Germany and see what happens to countries who have paraded a never-ending category of sorry’s and self-flagellation. Industry destroyed because of Green policies. Millions of militant, Middle Eastern Migrants who are a drain on financial and Social resources. The new woke demands that are destroying family life.
Japan rebuilt itself, with help, after the war and has stayed quite homogenous in its population, industry, belief in education and work for personal pride. The lack of woke is awesome and they have also learnt quickly that green energy is not the way to go.
The only thing the Japanese have mimicked from the west, unfortunately, is the lack of children. So far they have held off flooding their country with millions of mouth breathers whose only intent is to live in a welfare state.
My two cents worth.

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 20, 2023 10:08 am

Ultimately, Little Boy and Fat Man were more efficient than
loading up three hundred B29s with white phosphorus and napalm.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 10:09 am

(Would you use it to subdue a 95 year-old?).

A bottle of old-fashioned 4711 Eau de Cologne thrown over her would probably have done the trick.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 10:11 am

Ed Casesays:
May 20, 2023 at 8:55 am
It was only the threat of MORE nuclear attacks that they Navy and Emperor saw sense to unconditionally surrender.

You pulled that outta your arse, you low IQ dope.
2 Atom Bombs was all they had, and in any case, the Japanese Government weren’t impressed by the A-Bombs one way or the other, they’d been trying to surrender for years and the Yanks finally relented on their demand of Unconditional Surrender.

Grandpa Ed Simpson has (as usual) presented absolutely no evidence for his “trying to surrender for years” story, but here’s a few thoughts.

Using Grandpa Ed’s two years’ timeframe mentioned in the earlier thread, Grandpa Ed thinks that with Japanese troops still in the northern Solomons, New Britain, Lae and all points west in New Guinea, all of Micronesia (the Tarawa invasion was not until late 1943), all of Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaya and Singapore, Thailand and Burma under their control (the British/Indian forces had been thrown back from an attempt to take a small slice of Burmese coast and coastal islands) and much of China under occupation, the Japanese would have surrendered then, if only the survival of the Emperor had been guaranteed.

Grandpa Ed Simpson is an idiot.

PS, the Japanese had no idea how many (or few) atomic bombs existed after the first two were used.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 10:11 am

Showing up is the first step. Uni, work, life or whatever.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 10:12 am

Whatever the Japanese terms might have been, doesn’t mean they would have got what they wanted.
The Japanese people were starving, their country was on the verge of being invaded, not exactly a good starting point to get everything you want.
After all they capitulated straight after the bombing of Nagasaki.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 10:14 am

Beautiful painting Dover.
Absolutely beautiful.

It brought me to tears this morning, remembering the happy days of putting two little ones to bed after Hairy’s loving goodnight to them. The snuggling bub and the sweet little girl. Glorious and universal and absolutely captured in this painting.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 10:14 am

Groogs isn’t very reliable on international geopolitics inter alia.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 10:15 am

Pretty amazing how the US renews itself in the business world. GE was an iconic name and if I recall correctly, it was the longest surviving entity in the Dow Jones index until it was kicked out. It’s now going to be gonsky forever.

General Electric GE +0.24% is getting a new finance chief. Given what’s coming at the company, it makes sense.

On Thursday, GE (ticker: GE) announced that Chief Financial Officer Carolina Dybeck Happe will transition out of the her role, which will be assumed by GE Aerospace CFO Rahul Ghai. That transition comes in September. Dybeck Happe will stay on as an adviser until she is expected to leave GE in February 2024.

By the time Dybeck Happe leaves, it’s likely there will be no more GE as investors know it today. GE’s power businesses are due to be spun out in early 2024, under the name GE Vernova. That will leave just GE Aerospace.

The precise date for the spin hasn’t been set. No permanent CFO for GE Vernova has been named yet. GE says that decision will come later.

It’s been a rough road for GE since the GFC.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 10:16 am

Grandpa Ed Simpson

As Air Force General Curtis LeMay later said:
If we’d lost the War, we woulda been hanged as War Criminals

Unlike an inbred, semi-literate, slack-jawed yokel like you, LeMay was far too intelligent and well-educated to use the sloppy term “woulda”. Try to get genuine quotes, if you are capable.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 10:16 am

Showing up is the first step. Uni, work, life or whatever.

Voting.

Just ask the Remainers.

Makka
Makka
May 20, 2023 10:18 am

After all they capitulated straight after the bombing of Nagasaki.

Yes. Mission accomplished. To be sure , a terrible situation. But an end, which what everyone as it turned out, craved.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:18 am

GE (pre stock consolidation) was awesome to trade.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 10:18 am

BlackRock have told their staff they need to come back to the office 5 days a week.
WFH & “hybrid” expectations need to be dialled back.

Bern – My impression is the management are saying this and the workers in return are saying nope. The clear and present danger for these companies is their best workers will walk if forced to go back into the orifice.

With unemployment low they have a lot of trouble getting talent I suspect. If one company enforces it their high achievers will just go find another company which allows WFH. So I doubt it will really happen. Maybe if there was a brutal recession and double digit unemployment they could then swing it.

Different story with the Chinese of course, for the obvious reasons.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 10:20 am

Apparently carried by “Joy’s Pride” but the mission was aborted.
Yokohama was the target.

There were plans to use anywhere up to five more bombs, but Truman vetoed any further missions after Nagasaki.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:21 am

I’ve forgotten which crisis it was, I bought GE at $6.66 & sold at 10 bucks even in what seemed like a few weeks. Most likely it was longer than that.
It was the go-to to range trade when bored.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 10:23 am

My last comment was not meant to be specific about BlackRock, it’s the impression I get from many similar stories – even Twitter, where Elon has been trying the same thing.

sfw
sfw
May 20, 2023 10:23 am

Does anyone believe that if Hitler or the Japs had nuclear weapons they wouldn’t have used them?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 10:23 am

I posted the piece by Janet A on the old thread. I find the actions of Legal Aid ACT distressing. They basically wanted Lehmann to plead guilty.

Yes.
I was thinking this morning about the police report describing Britnah as “evasive, uncooperative and likely to be an unreliable witness” which Dumgold tried to suppress as legally privileged.
What odds Legal Aid would simply have ticked that off without contesting it and it would have never seen the light of day.
Because the document described the unimpeachable Saint Britnah as being a tiny bit loosey-goosey with the truth.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:23 am

My impression is the management are saying this and the workers in return are saying nope.

I can assure you the ones I know in Sydney & Melbourne have been back in the office 4 days a week since last year.
If you don’t, you make yourself un-promotable & un-stock optionable.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 10:24 am

Ed Casesays:
May 20, 2023 at 9:34 am
I posted the piece by Janet A on the old thread. I find the actions of Legal Aid ACT distressing. They basically wanted Lehmann to plead guilty.
Lehrmann had means, motive and opportunity.

It’s at least arguable that you have the “means, motive and opportunity” to at least occasionally display some limited intelligence, but you continue to be an inbred, semi-literate, slack-jawed yokel.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 10:27 am

The Japanese bombing had a strange effect on my family. My father had been sent out to Australia by Rolls Royce in early 1945 without us to help with Spitfire production in their Lidcombe factory for the ongoing war against Japan. He was a foreman who had worked in 1940 on Spitfire production in a race to be ready for the Battle of Britain, one of the Coventry car workers shanghai’d into that job by Lord Beaverbrook, who eschewed the normal hierarchy and went straight to the shop floor.

When the bomb fell on Japan my father’s role, and all Spitfire production, became redundant.
There were whole fields of Spitfires already with no further work to do. Dad was paid out. We arrived in 1946, dad soon set himself up manufacturing spare-parts in the Western suburbs of Sydney.
He failed to run it properly due to his increasingly severe bipolar disorder. Bad times for us.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2023 10:28 am

Nobody gives South Korea much credit for establishing a vibrant and economically successful nation with imminent destruction by communist lunatics just a moment away.
Korea was at the receiving end of big empires and ideologies seeking to put it in a box but they resisted and retained their unique identity.

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 20, 2023 10:30 am

George Alexopoulos does a representative Lara Croft.

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2023 10:33 am

Calli, thank you for your supportive words to me and Vicki and other mothers in ongoing distres

Sorry to have reopened painful issues to some other mums here! I was just giving solace to another Cat – that they are not alone in these somewhat cruel outcomes.

My daughter is a very different person to me, and she has a lot of unresolved grievances – which is ironic because I willingly postponed an academic career to provide daily care for her as an infant. But who knows – maybe that was the stem for her own problems? I am past losing sleep over these matters . But I do think it is outrageous of her to upset the rest of the family with her antics. Particularly her father, who was very very upset.

There is much more to this saga – which involves our somewhat wayward grandson who has a legal matter that his grandfather and I are dealing with, as his parents thought a court appearance for a 20 year old was too trivial to take a day off work to accompany him or secure legal representation for him.
Gen Xers think they know it all. They really have little idea of the life experiences Boomers accumulated.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 10:34 am

I can assure you the ones I know in Sydney & Melbourne have been back in the office 4 days a week since last year.

Mmm…is this related to the push for a 4 day week?

Alamak!
Alamak!
May 20, 2023 10:35 am

Lehrmann’s friends claim he’s been financially ruined, yet he qualified for Legal Aid and all his Legal Work has been Pro Bono?

Not that it matters, but you do realise those two events (being broke, getting legal aid after showing proof of assets) are consistent.

Spring for a chat GPT subscription or use Bard for free, crappy as it is. Either way you won’t be coming here unarmed to a battle of wits.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 10:36 am

Because the document described the unimpeachable Saint Britnah as being a tiny bit loosey-goosey with the truth.

The “You go grrrl” for Brittany has been selective you might say.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:36 am

With reference to Dover at 10:21am.
Misallocation of police resourcing is the key.
Cops chasing up social media posts?
Get a load of this story.

A lady I know lives in the inner west.
Recently, she was awoken by someone who had broken into her home.
She locked her bedroom door & called 000.
The operator spoke with her & then said police were on the way.
Then it gets crazy.
The operator goes “I’m going to hang up now”.
Lady “what?”.
Operator “the police will be there shortly”.
Lady “I have an intruder and you are going to hang up”.
Operator “Yes”.

Operator hangs up.
It took a further 50mins for the police to arrive.
The intruder didn’t force the bedroom door & left at some stage.
Clearly police have bette things to do.

PS she’s physically fine but mentally & emotionally still struggling.
Now has security cameras everywhere.

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2023 10:37 am

Re Black Rock laying down the law to employees to return to office:

The scenario of the workers telling Black Rock where to go….. makes my day.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 20, 2023 10:39 am

I see the VIC Liberals gathering in Bendigo has already been mentioned.

This could be the grass roots membership’s last stand.

Not sure Roger, Bendigo is almost an extension of Brunswick, very left. Strange I didn’t get the general email from Pessuto to advertise this event, he might have read my responses to him. They weren’t overly positive of his performance.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 10:39 am

Various novel ideas suggested for containing a rampaging 95 year old on a walking frame wielding a butter knife.
Probably the standard issue Plod torch was the tool for the job.
No, Jones, not clubbing her with it.
Shine torches at her on and off.
Or maybe just stand and wait for a few minutes.
It would be interesting to see what this bwave fwont-line officer would do when called to an agg burg in progress.
I’m guessing he/she wouldn’t leave the car.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 10:39 am

Bern – Sydney and Melbourne are small ponds. I was thinking of US particularly. I have a relation who accepted an internal transfer from Oz to the US recently and within months was made an offer six figures higher from another company. He gave his boss the chance to match it, but company policy prevented him from doing so, so he walked.

Jorge
Jorge
May 20, 2023 10:41 am

I thought a bit of mission creep occurred last night at the Welcome before the Port/ Melbourne AFL game.

Mention of ‘the spirits of this place’ being asked to watch over it all.

And We’re supposed to see these fat bastards in ochre as priests ?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 10:41 am

Buckley, who began transitioning in 2017, first induced lactation in 2019 in en effort to breastfeed his biological son after his wife gave birth. The 41-year-old paramedic said he had wanted to “experience what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed.”

But Sussex was disturbed by his decision, and had witnessed him participating in motherhood discussions on the ABA Facebook.

“Buckley [had been] boasting about making ‘colostrum’ for his newborn son as a transgender ‘mother.’ I didn’t respond to him directly … but I did raise with the ABA that ABA Counsellors are entitled to a safe workplace and that what appeared to be a man identifying as a woman was on the page boasting about making colostrum. Only the birth mother makes colostrum,” Sussex explains, noting that she was swiftly penalized for raising her concerns about him.

As I’ve said here previously, trans nonsense has no place in pregnancy and childbirth/nursing. These are female functions. Pregnant women who take testosterone pretending to be men are abusively damaging their babies in utero. And men pretending to be women and feeding god know what sticky hormone-induced goo from male nipples into a young baby are engaging in a similar child abuse.

These people belong in a psychiatric ward, not in women’s spaces.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 10:42 am

Thanks Tom for continuing the morning political cartoon duty.

It was pleasing also to read the familiar names of mizaris and Eddystone. All the best to our other absent friends.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 10:43 am

Seems Bendigo isn’t sufficiently far enough away from Melbourne for the Victoriastan Lieborals. Some have decided to make a day of it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 20, 2023 10:43 am

Various novel ideas suggested for containing a rampaging 95 year old on a walking frame wielding a butter knife.

Maybe offering a cup o’ tea?

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 10:44 am

rosie

The Japanese people were starving, their country was on the verge of being invaded, not exactly a good starting point to get everything you want.
After all they capitulated straight after the bombing of Nagasaki.

There were only three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they waited six days after Nagasaki before surrendering.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 10:46 am

You don’t have this problem in Queensland or WA politics.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 10:47 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
May 20, 2023 at 10:18 am
BlackRock have told their staff they need to come back to the office 5 days a week.
WFH & “hybrid” expectations need to be dialled back.

Bern – My impression is the management are saying this and the workers in return are saying nope. The clear and present danger for these companies is their best workers will walk if forced to go back into the orifice.

With unemployment low they have a lot of trouble getting talent I suspect. If one company enforces it their high achievers will just go find another company which allows WFH.

A staff walkout couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of turds than BlackRock.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2023 10:48 am

Not sure Roger, Bendigo is almost an extension of Brunswick, very left.

But it’s a state council meeting, BB.

It’s being reported that Pesutto was roundly booed this morning as he began his speech.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 10:52 am

On the subject of iconic. You couldn’t get more than Morgan Stanley for blue blooded old American WASP. MS almost collapsed in the financial crisis. They hired Australian James Gorman as the CEO and he did an incredible job by de-risking the operation and re-orientating the business towards funds management. It’s uncertain who’s been the most successful Wall Street CEO out of Gorman and Dimon at JP Morgan. I’d say it was Gorman as he took over MS when it was teetering.

The sudden announcement of James Gorman’s intention to step down as chief executive of Morgan Stanley within the next year has many on Wall Street scratching their heads as to what could be next for the stock.

The concern isn’t just that Gorman is stepping down, but that the bank hasn’t lined up a clear successor—raising questions about Morgan Stanley MS –2.66% ‘s direction under new leadership. Gorman told investors at the bank’s annual board meeting Friday that the board “identified three very strong senior internal candidates” for the CEO role.

Shares of Morgan Stanley (ticker: MS) ticked down as much as 2.5% in Friday’s trading, outpacing the 1.6% drop in the KBW Nasdaq Bank Index (BKX). It isn’t a dramatic move, but one that suggests some uneasiness with what could be next.

Among the more cautious is veteran bank analyst Dick Bove of Odeon Capital.
“Gorman was unique”.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 20, 2023 10:54 am

It’s being reported that Pesutto was roundly booed this morning as he began his speech.

Chortle. Perhaps he can get on the blower to the Rent-a-Nazi for a much needed distraction.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 10:56 am

his parents thought a court appearance for a 20 year old was too trivial to take a day off work to accompany him or secure legal representation for him.

Good on you both, Vicki. It’s a gruelling thing for anyone to face Court, especially a 20 year old.
Family support is important in two ways. It supports the frightened family member. But it also shows the Court that someone cares about this person, and may affect an outcome, such as the matter being put down for a ‘no record’, or the person being bound over on a bond to caring family members instead of prison or a hefty fine. Getting the best possible Court outcome for a young person means that an offense can’t hang around for years affecting his or her future.

Thank goodness for Boomer grandparents, say I.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 10:56 am

George Alexopoulos does a representative Lara Croft.

That is almost certainly a riff on this story…

Dove Produces Ultra-Woke Ad To Change Beauty Standards In Video Games? (19 May)

You will see companies like Bud Light take a massive profit hit after jumping into an ad partnership with a man that thinks he’s a woman, and then see a competing company like Miller Light make a similar woke mistake. They are doubling and tripling down on their failures and it’s not going to stop unless they go bankrupt. This is because they are no longer operating as businesses, they are now centers for activism and social engineering.

That’s why, as bizarre as it seems, a company like Dove (a subsidiary of Unilever that produces beauty products) is sticking its nose into the world of video games to change beauty standards for imaginary characters. In one of the most woke ads of the year so far, Dove seems to argue in favor of clinically obese women finding more representation as heroes in multimedia.

The photo didn’t make it into the actual story, so here it is in all their substantial glory. 😀

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 10:58 am

Lawyer Whybrow says the delay caused by Wilkinsons Logies speach helped the defence considerably as able to gather far more information.

That’s gonna hurt Cane Toad.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 10:58 am

Lehrmann should never have been tried for sexual assault. This is a statement of the bleeding obvious.

Why? Zero evidence.

The only evidence that a jury could have considered in this case would have been Lehrmann’s DNA found on Hoggins’ personage the following morning. If that had been presented it would have been rape, pure and simple, as Hoggins’ was (allegedly) so intoxicated that she could not have given informed consent to sexual intercourse.

The only other evidence would have been CCTV of the events inside Reynolds’ office that showed Lehrmann engaging in sexually activity with (an allegedly comatose) Hoggins.

Good luck getting that footage out out of the CCP (and yes, I’m only partially joking here), although Eddles KC may be able to convince them, should he head off to Beijing to convince Winxi the Pooh to hand it over.

Chop, chop, Eddles!

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