Open Thread – Weekend 20 May 2023


Bedtime, Samuel Joseph Clark, 1881

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bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 4:48 pm

Cheers P

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 4:50 pm

You should celebrate now.
With whisky!

Mixed with coke.

Go and bang your head on the floor, until you are forgiven. It may take several weeks.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 4:51 pm

I have no idea whether Whybrow’s statement that Wilkinson’s speech (and resultant trial delay) effectively got Lehrmann off is true or not.
Whybrow might have a better idea than you?
He’s essentially backed up Shane Drumgold’s decision to prosecute and the assertion that there was political interference.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 4:54 pm

bespoke says:
May 20, 2023 at 4:45 pm

I’m not going to excuse it.

And then you did, Markle.

Know I did?t, Bespoke. I basically said eye recognize the arguemente CL is makeing and that I agree with him dat it was eevil. However, I recognize that retribution has its place too in human needs and desires. Making excuses is differdent.

If I recognize it was a shitty act, howe one earth would I be makeing excuses?+&

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 4:56 pm

Whybrow might have a better idea than you?
He’s essentially backed up Shane Drumgold’s decision to prosecute and the assertion that there was political interference.

Except that he agrees with the Moller Memo and was happy someone leaked it for him; Drumgold’s idea that police opinion of a complainant is “inadmissible” is some really sad shit. Just laughable.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 4:57 pm

My dad died as the result of his service in WWII in New Guinea.
I never knew his opinion of dropping the bombs, but I’m pretty sure his view would closely align to that of CL and DB.
I’m very sorry those particular bombs weren’t targeted at military installations.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Boambee John says: May 20, 2023 at 4:25 pm
Salvatore
In both my experience as a CMF CP clerk, and as a public servant in Defence (pre much wider use of email), formal messages were written, authorised, then sent.

Formal staid communication differs somewhat from realtime exchanges that happen on the fly.

Re the topic at hand: The …er… message to be sent would have been sent without resort to a written form.
Part of the reason for choosing it was that …er.. Fido-with-the-dark-hair…. is quite an easy one to send.

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 4:59 pm

bespokesays:
May 20, 2023 at 4:36 pm
You should celebrate now.
With whisky!

Mixed with coke.

Get thee behind, bespoke!

Alamak!
Alamak!
May 20, 2023 4:59 pm

He’s essentially backed up Shane Drumgold’s decision to prosecute and the assertion that there was political interference.

No and No. First is not related and second is interference by media idiots not pollies.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Salvatore:

Crikey Bob, link to video has at least twice been posted upthread.

One of the issues with sleeping in late after signing off at 1900 the previous day is that catching up sometimes doesn’t happen until after others have posted stuff.
I’ve also been doing stuff like laundry and sorting my sock drawer.
And tidying the office.
So there.
So I will also be celebrating World Whisk(e)y Day. The fact that I only have Johnny Walker Red to celebrate with is neither here nor there.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 5:02 pm

Possibly in War Plan Orange, under which the Philippines would hold out until the Battle Fleet arrived to smash the Japanese Fleet.

Edward Miller’s classic book “War Plan Orange” makes the point that, after 1935, the primary mission of the United States Navy in any Pacific War would no longer be the relief of the Philippine Islands. Douglas MacArthur, then Chief of the United States Army, was well aware of this when he assumed command of those Islands.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:02 pm

I never knew his opinion of dropping the bombs, but I’m pretty sure his view would closely align to that of CL and DB.

My father-in-law was in North Africa and NG, later on. My wife reckons he’d clam up when asked about the war and never wanted to talk about it. I suspect most of the guys that saw real hardcore action felt the same way.

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 5:04 pm

Why do people think that killing large numbers of people efficiently is morally worse than doing so inefficiently?

the glass is twice as big as it needs to be

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 5:06 pm

The other way to look at it is the Japanese were losing 10-15 times as many service personnel as the Allies were (I include our guys in PNG and DEI). Since Operations Olympic and Coronet were expected to lead to as many as 1 million Allied dead that suggests Japanese could have 10 million or more dead, if Japan itself had to be assaulted.

So 200,000 atomic bomb fatalities ultimately saved more than 10 million lives. Possibly a lot more if you count the land war still going on in China at that time.

Digger
Digger
May 20, 2023 5:07 pm

The proportions just don’t add up.

The pre invasion bombardment by the USN was unprecedented and difficult to comprehend. 2400 x 16” shells plus thousands of smaller calibre rounds made Saipan a pin cushion of craters. Hiding was almost impossible and when the Japanese headquarters moved to a cave, the USN bombarded the entrance of the cave relentlessly making command decisions difficult at best for the Japanese.

I conducted an in-water unexplored ordnance survey for the deepening of the main harbour in Saipan in 1991 and was briefed by the USN in Guam on what we could reasonably expect to find. The range of munitions covered almost everything the US military could field at the time.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Dover Beach;

If China invaded Taiwan, would destroying the Three Gorges Dam be justified?
If China invaded Australia, would destroying the Three Gorges Dam be justified?
If China invaded anywhere would, destroying the Three Gorges Dam be justified?

No, no, and no.

Then the breaching of the three Ruhr Dams was a war crime, Yes?
Please show your working in the answer.
(Background – in the question above, the 3 conditions would be grounds for a Casus Belli so therefore a state of war is applicable.)

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 5:10 pm

mem @ 4.38 pm:

Not sure whether this has been posted but thought of Farmer Gez.
Residents of Brewster, west of Ballarat, are worried a wind farm proposed for the area will be approved despite its proximity to populations of an endangered bird.

As all of us know, these frigging things take out avian species (including bats) at an alarming rate. Too bad those Green things (nor Governments) don’t give a damn about bird and bat depletion.

I keep sighting records for various birds. I also live within 5 km of an industrial wind facility. Regular pair of breeding Wedgies. Gone. Whistling Kites – numbers depleted. Yellow-tailed Black Cockies down from 15 regulars to 2. I cannot describe how these things disgust me. I pick up quite a bit of micro bat activity on CCTV – but overall, I can’t comment because we are not permitted to know the kill rate!

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:15 pm

My little story wasn’t put there to say “yea” or “nay” about bombing civilians, just to illustrate the uncertainty and fear of the times.

There is always a tendency after many years to philosophise over rightness and wrongness of actions in war. To one, the mere thought of killing another human being is evil in all circumstances, to another, it is licit. In war the lines are blurred. Many have been imprisoned for conscientious objection, others have taken the “stretcher bearer” option. And others have embraced the idea of battle wholeheartedly, even to their own death.

For me, it is all still a great mystery.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 5:18 pm

Eddles on da Case says:
May 20, 2023 at 12:44 pm

Yep, that has not convinced me. I was a juror in a particularly gruesome abduction and sexual assault case in the ACT in 2015, Eddles. There was much, much legitimate evidence presented during the trial. This included: (Trigger Warning – adult concepts)
Video footage (including the abduction)
Text messages establishing motive (we also used them to gain some context and timeline of the events)
DNA evidence – this was the big one, gathered as it was the following morning, including swabs from the victim’s mouth, vagina and fundament
Testimony of police who established a timeline of events courtesy of the evidence, including the accused driving around my suburb while allegedly being administered oral sex by the victim – the only one of the eleven charges they got off, as there was no corroborating evidence – i.e. she said, he said, could not be established beyond any doubt – I think they did it, but that is not grounds

We found the two of them guilty of ten of the eleven charges (a twelth was dropped shortly into the trial). One of them is still languishing in the AMC, while the other, recently released has been shipped back to Inja.

Six days of my life wasted. The other jurors, to their credit, appointed me foreman, so there was no time wasted deliberating, which the Canberra times noted, stating that we delivered our verdict after “only one and half hours”. I worked the other jurors like pack dogs, so we were ready to administer some swift justice. My fellow (ten)* jurors included karens, middle aged white wallies, an Injun, an aboriginal and a nineteen year old goil (she was traumatised by the recounting of some of the testimony and rightly so)

BTW, the abduction took place at my local shopping centre, so I had to buy my groceries elsewhere that week.

* Rares, J. decreed that the trial would proceed with only 11 jurors after a karen juror fled the courtroom upon hearing the charges – thanks again for that, you soft stupid fat cow.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 5:18 pm

Not sure whether this has been posted but thought of Farmer Gez.
Residents of Brewster, west of Ballarat, are worried a wind farm proposed for the area will be approved despite its proximity to populations of an endangered bird.

The stupid things are that thick on the ground in that neck of the woods I’m surprised all bird species are not endangered.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:18 pm

Boambee John:

Possibly in War Plan Orange, under which the Philippines would hold out until the Battle Fleet arrived to smash the Japanese Fleet.

OK, I think I read it in a novel, but that’s a good start to find out more.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 5:19 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
May 20, 2023 at 12:33 pm

For the viewing pleasure of the Catallaxy collective hivemind (or “you lot”) , from Bendigo this morning, here is video from this morning, of John Prostitutto being:
Booed
Catcalled
Chanted at
& a member walkout.

Not one flash-bang or flare. Not a credible hooligan among them.
Embarrassing.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2023 5:19 pm

Try this thinking Bruce – Japanese deaths during an invasion of the Home Islands:

Total of predicted Japanese fatalities resulting from a conventional invasion of Japan,
November 1945 to December 1946

Caveat: the death toll could vary from that arrived at here through all sorts of factors: sudden surrender in the forces abroad after encirclement by the Allies, especially if their communications were disrupted; revolt and revolution within the Home Islands; surrender after the first phase of the two-part invasion strategy, and more. Nevertheless, each section here constitutes a reasonable analysis and totaling of fatalities.

Type of person dead Cause of death Number dead Notes

Japanese Army within the Home Islands Combat and refusal to surrender 2,232,500 Based on the Pacific island defence campaigns, at a 95% KIA rate. See explanatory note below. From a total of 2,350,000.

Japanese Army in the rest of Asia Combat and refusal to surrender 3,277,500 Based on the Pacific island defence campaigns, at a 95% KIA rate. See explanatory note below. From a total of 3,450,000.

Japanese Navy Combat and refusal to surrender 1,166,963 Based on a 99% KIA rate from a total of 1,178,750. See explanatory note below.

Militia Combat deaths 240,000 From a total of 4,000,000, assuming a 30% casualty rate. 1,200,000 casualties, with 1/5 KIA.

Co-opted armed civilians Combat deaths 1,680,000 From a total of 28 million, assuming a 30% casualty rate. 8,400,000 casualties, with one in five being fatalities and the others wounded.

Sub-total – combat deaths 8,596,963 Total combat force of 38,127,500.

Civilians dying from lack of food Operation Starvation, and Allied naval blockades 14,000,000 Seven million by mid-1946 would continue at a million a month dying from starvation by the end of the invasion in December 1946.

Sub-total 22,596,963 Total of those already in the forces and those dying from starvation

Civilians Collateral damage 5,282,754 10% of the population left over would have died – that is, 5,827,537 from the population of 72,147,000 – given predicted Allied Rules of Engagement.

All Japanese deaths 27,879,717 Total resulting from a conventional invasion of the Home Islands lasting until the end of 1946.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:20 pm

mem says:
May 20, 2023 at 4:38 pm

Not sure whether this has been posted but thought of Farmer Gez.
Residents of Brewster, west of Ballarat, are worried a wind farm proposed for the area will be approved despite its proximity to populations of an endangered bird.
Key points:
A nest of endangered brolgas is near a proposed wind farm at Brewster

Mem,
I’d very extremely careful with those arguments as they’re essentially similar to those being used by the green left with respect to the use of coal etc.

Pretty much everything in human activity has trade-offs. In other words there are costs associated with human action. The green left argue that the use of hydrocarbons are costing us a worsening climate and air pollution. I’m not making this argument, but explaining what theirs is. It’s bullshit when we consider the benefits accrued to humanity.

Some on the Right are now suggesting bird life is at risk, which is specious because the trade off is small compared to our need for energy.

Make the argument that wind mills are a useless to provide energy for an industrial civilization, which is the one true line of argument to take against these meatheads.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:20 pm

JMH, we have one of these grotesque planet savers proposed off the coast here.

Smack bang in the middle of the whale migration corridor.

The Greenies don’t care. They are not environmentalists at all. They are something else altogether.

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 5:21 pm

In addition to my post above, it will not be long before we have a critical rise in species listed as endangered and/or threatened because of the revolting killing machines – that serve no purpose, whatsoever.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 5:24 pm

JC

You do realise Bespoke is dyslectic?

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:24 pm

Robert Sewell:

You should celebrate now.
With whisky!

Bespoke:

Mixed with coke.

What!? And ruin the exquisite flavours of Johnny Walker Red?
Bloody Peasant!

Pogria
Pogria
May 20, 2023 5:24 pm

bespokesays:
May 20, 2023 at 4:36 pm
You should celebrate now.
With whisky!

Mixed with coke.

Someone’s heading for a smacked bottom.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 5:25 pm

“Armed or unarmed, they are the enemy”

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:25 pm

132andBush says:
May 20, 2023 at 5:24 pm

JC

You do realise Bespoke is dyslectic?

Really? 🙂 I hope we’re not so woke to suggest we can’t make fun of people especially after what Hallward wrote about me. Tell me it ain’t so.

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 5:26 pm

calli, same here. Danny-boy wants to see these things planted around our coast. And yes, migratory and calving whales are in for a hiding. Dolphins too and we have no idea what the ramifications will be for other aquatic species.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 5:28 pm

Grandpa Cletus

Whybrow might have a better idea than you?
He’s essentially backed up Shane Drumgold’s decision to prosecute and the assertion that there was political interference.

Only in your inadequate, twisted, mind.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:29 pm

P:

The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb
In recent months there has been much comment about the decision to use atomic bombs in attacks on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This decision was one of …
Henry Lewis Stimson – 01 Feb 1947
Very interesting.
Some of it I’ve read in detail. Much I’ve only glanced through.

Looks interesting – thanks – downloaded and printed…

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 5:30 pm

Really? ? I hope we’re not so woke to suggest we can’t make fun of people especially after what Hallward wrote about me. Tell me it ain’t so.

True.
Everyone is free to make themselves look like a knobhead schoolyard bully.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:31 pm

True.
Everyone is free to make themselves look like a knobhead schoolyard bully.

And thank God for that.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Mixed with coke.

What!? And ruin the exquisite flavours of Johnny Walker Red?

On the contrary, coca cola would improve the flavour of Johnnie Walker Red Label.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:33 pm

To put a turbine in deep water requires huge amounts of concrete, drilling and general disruption of the sea floor.

And then there’s the cables. And maintenance – anyone with any marine knowledge knows that a stationary object will deteriorate through encrustation and general salt attack. And then there’s the maintenance of the mechanism itself (useful life 20 years at best). And then there are the cables, the on shore transformers and transmission lines.

It’s environmental insanity, dreamt up by charlatans and spivs. Yes…that is what your local “Sea Shepherd” or “Wombat Man” or whatever is.

Because they support it.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:34 pm

Bush

Out of interest, what’s your view on the amount of bile and rancor thrown at people like Fatboy and Eddles. Generally speaking these two are reasonably behaved except that for the most time their opinions differ. How do you feel about that?

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:35 pm

Sorry. I repeated “cables”.

No one ever thinks of those.

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 5:35 pm

How is C.L.’s criteria unreasonably narrow?

I don’t think it narrow, I think it nebulous
it does have a place … it’s just that that place is only ever post-hoc

Eyrie’s, point goes to the heart of the matter:
you can spent years inconveniencing civilians to death, or you can just get the job over and done with.
moralizing comes last

where was the moral justification for war in the first place?
I’ll tell youse.
It was never about morals or ethics, it was only ever about Law, or the power to make it

Biblical Timothy’s “God will recognize his own” is often re-written as “Let God sort them out”

and ‘God’ in this context means lawyers and politicians

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 5:36 pm

Calli

The Greenies don’t care. They are not environmentalists at all. They are something else altogether.

Greenunists?

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 5:39 pm

I currently buy my wines via Naked Wines.

Naked do good things
BiL is one of their darlings

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:40 pm

Eyrie’s, point goes to the heart of the matter:
you can spent years inconveniencing civilians to death, or you can just get the job over and done with.
moralizing comes last

Nebulous and post-hoc too, I says.

What does efficiency have to do with assessing act is evil? For that matter, CL also claimed that conventional bombing of Dresden was also evil.

You need to post hoc post haste, champ as you’re not good at this.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:45 pm

Jeez Lord.

I think we hit peak woke.

Bud Light mocked for $20 rebate on $19.98 case of beer: ‘They’re giving it away’

A Bud Light seller apparently stuck with too many cases of the unsold brew in the wake of the company’s Dylan Mulvaney fiasco is offering $20 rebates on purchases of a $19.98 case of beer.

A photo posted to social media shows stacks of 24-can cases of Bud Light with a promo taped to them touting a full rebate from the unidentified beer vendor

“Things can’t be going great if they’re basically giving it away,” Twitter user Ed Latimore wrote.

“You’re making two cents profit per case when you buy Bud Light,” another Twitter user observed.

“And there’s still plenty on the shelf. They can’t even give people money to take it off their hands!”

Sales of Bud Light, the nation’s perennial top-selling beer, have tanked following calls for a boycott of the Anheuser-Busch brand in the wake of its controversial partnership with the transgender influencer on April 1.

Nationwide retail sales of the brand were down 23.6% versus a year ago in the week ending May 6 — its fifth straight week of declines, according to Bump Williams Consulting and NielsenIQ data.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 5:46 pm

Dover Beach:

Firstly, the same defense most also be conceded to the enemy.

No. I refuse to concede that.
If we are attacked, the enemy already has choice of weapons used. I subscribe to the “A bomb is a germ is a gun.” theory.
If an enemy with 1.5 billion people attacks a nation with 25 million people, and the attacker doesn’t have nukes while the defender does, then the defender – in my eyes – has the option to use the weapon they have an overwhelming advantage in. After all, hasn’t the enemy already done so?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Have any of you older Cats been tasered today?

Attapuss got me on the back of my leg as I walked down the hallway. Drew blood.
Does wounding from a wild animal count?

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:50 pm

We must protect our own. If an aggressor has a weak point, then we must hit it in any way we can.

Superior weaponry is a fact of life. As is another old maxim…

Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 5:51 pm

I’m very sorry those particular bombs weren’t targeted at military installations.

the bombs were targeting military manufacturing

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 5:51 pm

This is just taking the piss.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12097867/Spain-launches-app-tells-wives-men-doing-HOUSEWORK.html

Spain has announced plans for an app that will tell wives if their men are doing enough housework.

The new app intends to address the gender imbalance of housework and will log the hours a family member spends doing chores.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 5:52 pm

Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

What if you both run out of bullets and you were lucky enough to have brought a knife with you?

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 5:56 pm

I don’t know, J.C.

I rather liked the way James Bond brained the aggressor with an unloaded gun in Casino Royale last night. 😀

If I can go all Biblical, 1 Samuel 17 is an interesting story about knives and gun fights. All it took was a single stone. Hit them where it works best.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 5:56 pm

Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

I guess.
So, those cops …
In the clear, then?

P
P
May 20, 2023 6:01 pm

Looks interesting – thanks – downloaded and printed…

It is interesting and I am continuing to reread it again slowly, bit by bit.
Henry L. Stimson, Secretary of War 1911–13, Secretary of State 1929–33, Secretary of War 1940–45,
was the man who had to make the recommendation to the President.

THE DECISION TO USE THE ATOMIC BOMB – HENRY L. STIMSON

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 6:03 pm

What does efficiency have to do with assessing act is evil?

are you seriously suggesting that prolonging war is less evil?

try not to head-butt anything too solid JC

Razey
Razey
May 20, 2023 6:04 pm

I have been to the a-bomb memorial sites and both Nagasaki & Hiroshima. I thought I’d have felt some sadness, but I didn’t. Every site portrays them as victims, with 90% of the status etc provided by ex-communist countries. Big sob story. My thoughts where at the time, well, you started this shit.

Let it be known, that if Japan or Germany had the bomb, bet your ass they would have used it.

Interestingly while in Hiroshima I found a gum tree. It survived being only 740m from the hypocentre. Maybe some of us conservative will survive the woke cultural a-bomb?

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Louis Litt
May 20, 2023 6:05 pm

Calli 20/5=@7:12
3 Daughters. What was your husband – a stud or an athlete.
I will send him the application for the “real man’s club” – males who produce daughters only.
This yrs president is Mario Malano

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 6:06 pm

Salvatore:

On the contrary, coca cola would improve the flavour of Johnnie Walker Red Label.

*sob*
Why are people so unkind?

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 6:09 pm

It was never about morals or ethics, it was only ever about Law, or the power to make it

and I’ll add that by that measure, your administrative betters are actually at war with you rather than them

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 6:12 pm

Dover

No blood-lust on my part. As far as I know the only relative in the war was flown to Italy shortly after the Alied invasion and evan that is from an un reliable source.

Read P’s link. They made a decision based on information at the time.

It is easy to be pious after the fact and in safty.

Digger
Digger
May 20, 2023 6:12 pm

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan – The Soviet Union Did

Any pretence of a Soviet victory over Japan is a folly. The Soviets had absolutely no chance of surviving WW2 without the Lend Lease programme which saw the US primarily and the UK provide them with 495,000 military vehicles, 18000 aircraft, 1980 locomotives 2.7m tonnes of petroleum products, 4.5m tonnes of food, 10,000 tanks, 18,000 rail cars, 35,000 motor cycles, 1500 radar sets, 4400 radio sets, 27 naval vessels, 600 navy radar & Sonar sets, 5000, anti tank guns, 53% of all ammunition/shells/bombs/mines etc, 15m pairs of boots.

Everything still points back to the Americans defeating Japan…

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 6:12 pm

and another thing

Japan sacrificed their own civilians in manufacturing cities
their imperial masters just never thought they could be touched

it wasn’t evil they were bombed, it was a natural consequence

live with it

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:12 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 20, 2023 at 6:03 pm

What does efficiency have to do with assessing act is evil?

are you seriously suggesting that prolonging war is less evil?

try not to head-butt anything too solid JC

You’re making the eggsact claim from the other side of the frame, you genius. Both you and the limeball are arguing that exact argument whereas I’m not. I said nuke them but for the very good reason they deserved it.

Shortening or prolonging the war is an impossible thing to weigh as you can’t predict and it’s a impossibly complex morality play.

Hey, which AC system do you install? (Brand)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 6:13 pm

On the contrary, coca cola would improve the flavour of Johnnie Walker Red Label.

Kerosene would improve the flavour of Johnnie Walker Red Label.

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 6:14 pm

Shortening or prolonging the war is an impossible thing to weigh as you can’t predict and it’s a impossibly complex morality play.

only for an idiot

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 6:15 pm

The Allies [or United Nations, as they were known at that time] coulda accepted Japan’s Surrender on it’s Terms at any time from 1943 on and saved an incalculable number of lives on both Fronts.

Remember, the Allies from the Great War signed an Armistice with The Reich in 1918, but kept a Naval Blockade of Germany for another 2 years.
That saved many Allied lives even though a million Germans starved to death.
The Versailles Treaty gouged Germany too.
There was no reason America couldna ended the War 2 years early, except for War Profiteers making a killing.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 6:16 pm

Very droll Ed.

A bit weak equating an old lady to Imperial Japan to make your point.

But there it is. Perhaps she also had ninja powers.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:17 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 20, 2023 at 6:12 pm

and another thing

Japan sacrificed their own civilians in manufacturing cities
their imperial masters just never thought they could be touched

it wasn’t evil they were bombed, it was a natural consequence

live with it

Read what I said, or have you been tripping too many volts? I supported the nuking, you imbecile. However, unlike you I’m not justifying it on morality grounds.You really are stupid, which is why you only offer simplistic one line assertions and no arguments. You’re unable to.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 6:17 pm
Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 6:18 pm

Yesterday an irate friend rang me. She teaches at a private school here in Sydney’s east. She said that she arrived at the school yesterday and the there were posters spruiking the Voice all over the school and in classrooms.

Today I went to the ballet. I’ve been attending the ballet for years, always the matinee session on a Saturday arvo, and always with my sister. Ballet audiences, like opera audiences (which I occasionally go to with my mother) are a certain demographic, the men and women who attend the ballet emanate from the north shore, the eastern suburbs and the inner west. Anyway, we sit down, excited to see the production, and before the curtain is raised, the female conductor of the ballet orchestra stood up and said “we are on Gadigal land”, and then she said “we stand with Stan Grant“. I nearly fell of my chair in shock, my sister nearly sprayed her bottle of water over herself in shock, however half the audience cheered and clapped, the other half sat in silence. My sister and I, once we regained our composure, were and remain furious about this political statement at the ballet. However, I noticed the Asian woman on my left, sitting with her two very cut daughters, both very cute in tutus, didn’t clap or cheer, however the Anglo women in front of us cheered loudly. Australia 2023. As I wrote a day or two ago, it will be elderly Australians (those who aren’t being tasered), rural Australians and the new migrant Australians who may well save this country.

Oh and I don’t stand with Stan Grant.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:19 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 20, 2023 at 6:14 pm

Shortening or prolonging the war is an impossible thing to weigh as you can’t predict and it’s a impossibly complex morality play.

only for an idiot

Stick to placing the right wire on the right switch. Let those who are blessed with more grey matter worry about the “post hocs” and “nebulizers”, you low wattage moron.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 6:20 pm

Dot:

The new app intends to address the gender imbalance of housework and will log the hours a family member spends doing chores.

The concept falls down on the premise of “Housework” and “Necessary Housework.”
The Child Bride would empty the fridge every bloody week to clean it. It only needs cleaning – all the shelves out, defrost, clean interior with bleach, and clean cabinet – once a month FFS.
(Which reminds me, I’m up to March, 2022.)

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 6:21 pm

I want to see Stan Grant in a tutu.

The ballet has supported him, after all.

Quid pro quo.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 6:22 pm

The Versailles Treaty gouged Germany too.

The archives of Imperial Germany have been open to researchers since the mid 1960’s. The terms of the Treaty of Versailles were light on Germany, compared to that was dealt out to a defeated Russia, under the terms of the Treaty of Brest Litivosk, and would have been dealt out to a defeated France and Great Britain.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 6:23 pm

In fact, I can’t stand Stan Grant.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 6:24 pm

This Voice is turning out to be as uniting and reconciling as the Conscription Referendum

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 6:24 pm

and then she said “we stand with Stan Grant

Is she Royal, or is “we” her pronouns?

Is she possessed?

Rabz
May 20, 2023 6:25 pm

Dover – the painting is exquisite. The nuclear family as a reality, not a concept.

The father’s striped shirt, the little girl with her own little baby.

WW1 is the greatest disaster to have befallen humanity. I look at a picture like that and it looms in the background, decades away as it might seem to be.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 6:25 pm

I thought your comment in poor taste, Calli.
Might as well cut to the chase, eh?

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:27 pm

Bush,

One last point as you’re obviously no longer interested in the Upsoke discussion. But let me enter it into the record.

When Liz and Rosie were and are currently being scorched by blog grifters such as Ivan Titsoff, in which trench are you defending and supporting them? I looked even in the trench latrines but I’ve never seen you there. Get back to me next week or next month, even though I know you’re too busy to reply.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 6:27 pm

I can’t stand Stan Grant

You’re not an island there, Squirette.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 6:27 pm

I am a river to my people.

Said a commenter once.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 6:28 pm

JC says:
May 20, 2023 at 5:34 pm
Bush

Out of interest, what’s your view on the amount of bile and rancor thrown at people like Fatboy and Eddles.

You know what I’m talking about, JC.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:29 pm

You know what I’m talking about, JC.

Assume I don’t and explain it to me without silly assertions such as this.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 6:31 pm

“Is she Royal, or is “we” her pronouns?”

Collectivists always think in terms of “we”, the individual doesn’t matter.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 6:33 pm

Matrix:
War is about theft.
All else comes from this – doesn’t matter if it’s his land, his gold, his cattle, or his women – it’s always about stealing when the enemy cannot get what he wants by buying or trading.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:33 pm

being scorched by blog grifters such as Ivan Titsoff

My bad. Trans, I hope to God that isn’t your real name otherwise I may have inadvertently doxxed you. If I have please except my sincere apologies. Would it be okay if I just shortended to 0Tits

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:34 pm

shortened

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 6:34 pm

calli says:
May 20, 2023 at 6:27 pm
I am a river to my people.

Said a commenter once.

Hi, glad you noticed.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 6:35 pm

Interestingly while in Hiroshima I found a gum tree. It survived being only 740m from the hypocentre.

Tough critters , eucalypts. My palatial nest box tree got beheaded several years ago after it knocked out my electricity feeder once too many times. I was fed up. Decapitated it about a metre above the nest box…whereupon it resprouted and is doing fine. It might turn into a Port Jackson fig since there’s a solid fig sapling in the notch just behind the nest box.

I was up a ladder to check out the box today. Cockies have been chewing it. It’s now so old that the hexnuts have rusted so I couldn’t get it off. So instead I screwed in some big wood screws to firm up the connection to the tree, since it was getting very wonky. Maybe the kookas will nest in it this season again, even though it now looks more like a rough shack than a salubrious penthouse. If the Cafe is ever nuked the only thing remaining will be that tree.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 6:37 pm

The terms of the Treaty of Versailles were light on Germany,

The Armistice was agreed to end the Great War on the same borders and Rules as it had started.
Meanwhile, Revolution had broken out in Germany and the Allies swooped like Jackals.
The Versailles Treaty was imposed on Germany, the Germans had no say.
For example, Germany lost territory to Denmark, Czechoslovakia and Poland were created out of German Provinces and France marched Senegalese Troops into the Rhineland in 1921 and stayed for 15 years.
Then there were the reparations, which Germany eventually paid off in Gold.

America also required the British to pay War Debts for supplying what were essentially Mercenaries.
Britain repudiated the Debt in the 1930s.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 6:37 pm

ZK2A:

Kerosene would improve the flavour of Johnnie Walker Red Label.

It does. How did you know that?

Rabz
May 20, 2023 6:39 pm

After all the bloviating (again) over the last 24 hours:

Back in Nagasaki, I got married to Cho Cho San

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 6:40 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 20, 2023 at 6:15 pm
The Allies [or United Nations, as they were known at that time] coulda accepted Japan’s Surrender on it’s Terms at any time from 1943 on and saved an incalculable number of lives on both Fronts.

What were Japan’s terms of surrender, Grandpa Cletus?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2023 6:41 pm

The main problem with renewables in regard to fauna and flora is the sheer number of installations required to produce such a meagre return.
These sites all need bare ground and cleared paths for lines running to the grid which involves clearing every bush and tree in the way.
Albo’s 20,000+ kilometres of main line is only a part of the actual easement clearing that will take place. The big grid plan would require roughly 200,000 hectares of treeless land alone.
Paint the bulldozers green.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 20, 2023 6:42 pm

I subscribe to the “A bomb is a germ is a gun.” theory.

It is interesting to muse on whether war *is* an illness in of itself, or a symptom of some other malady.

If the former, regarding it as a ‘public health problem’ (something to be stamped out early and at all costs) is valid. If the latter, such eradication attempts will be futile.

Given the repeated failure of ceasefires to eradicate wars (Korea, Gaza etc) I suspect war is closer to a symptom than a disease.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 6:45 pm

The white night returns.
12% more tassels.

MatrixTransform
May 20, 2023 6:47 pm

War is about theft

close enough for me

Bruce in WA
May 20, 2023 6:48 pm

The fact that I only have Johnny Walker Red to celebrate with is neither here nor there.

1 x (large) measure JW Red
1 x 1/2 measure Drambuie
1 x ice block

Voila. Rusty Nail.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 6:55 pm

Bespoke:
I’m not white kiting, Unspoke. Iams just esplainging to busch that he should think more even haandedly-ness and what a wrat you’ve been in the paste.

Also, I neglected to menchion, that you were one of Liz’s scorcherers in the past and he remained cilent about dat.

areff
areff
May 20, 2023 6:56 pm

To put a turbine in deep water requires huge amounts of concrete, drilling and general disruption

Pretty sure the albatross-choppers the Danfilth is installing off Gippy are the floating variety. How you go about doing that is for someone else to explain.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 6:56 pm

Flyinduk:

It is interesting to muse on whether war *is* an illness in of itself, or a symptom of some other malady.
If the former, regarding it as a ‘public health problem’ (something to be stamped out early and at all costs) is valid. If the latter, such eradication attempts will be futile.
Given the repeated failure of ceasefires to eradicate wars (Korea, Gaza etc) I suspect war is closer to a symptom than a disease.

Not sure if you got my reference.
The US made the point that the use of a chemical, biological, or mass armoured attack was the equivalent of a nuclear weapon in terms of their reprisal. Which makes sense really. A nation of 25 million is not going to have the manpower capabilities that a nation of 1.5 billion would have. Therefore they need biological or chemical weapons to level the field.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 6:57 pm

And of it goes.

Chuckle.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2023 6:59 pm

The bomb over Nagasaki was dropped about halfway between two military targets.
My book stated it was several kilometres short of the intended target.

incidentally the Emperor overruled the military the day after the Nagasaki bombing.

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 7:02 pm

Bruce in WA:

1 x (large) measure JW Red
1 x 1/2 measure Drambuie
1 x ice block

How fortuitous!
I have Drambuie!

Just checked – no. I have Cointreau.

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 7:05 pm

the female conductor of the ballet orchestra stood up and said “we are on Gadigal land”, and then she said “we stand with Stan Grant“. I nearly fell of my chair in shock, my sister nearly sprayed her bottle of water over herself in shock,

And at that point, I would have taken my leave whether or not I was busting to see the performance.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 7:05 pm

War is about theft

and destruction, just for the hell of it. The history of humanity looks a lot more sanitised given I was never let off the leash of civilian life, thank bloody goodness.

Yet, it may still happen. See this clip essaying Cap’n Stransky’s arrival at the Eastern front and the description of his nemesis, the Universal Soldier, Corporal Steiner.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 7:05 pm

Assume I don’t and explain it to me without silly assertions such as this.

You’re very comfortable having a crack at someone, the basis for which is something out of that persons control.
Says a lot about you.

Re abuse others cop;
Believe it or not I’m with you there. The problem with your mate monty is he very rarely comments in good faith, choosing mostly to troll.
I still think Ed is an AI troll bot.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 7:05 pm

bespoke says:
May 20, 2023 at 6:57 pm

And of it goes.

Chuckle.

Don?t se Ike dat. Iams only ben nise to u.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 7:08 pm

If they’re the last of us, Stransky, Steiner and Rabz, then God help us …

chrisl
chrisl
May 20, 2023 7:09 pm

It’s Dreamtime at the G tonight
Richmond vs Essendon
As a paid up Tiger supporter for 21 years I have been to quite a few of these.
I have absolutely no need to be welcomed to country having been there on over 240 occasions
Take the train to Jolimont line up at Gate 3 and sit in Bay 53 . Easy
I find the ceremonies cringeworthy, condescending ,ridiculous and extremely pointless
Fat white blokes dressed in …. What exactly ?
None of the performance , from lighting, amplification , music , venue , crowd would be possible without the arrival of you know who
Totally made up bullshit

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 7:09 pm

132andBush
Don’t be concerned I’m not.

JC
JC
May 20, 2023 7:11 pm

You’re very comfortable having a crack at someone, the basis for which is something out of that persons control.
Says a lot about you.

Oh really, but you remained silent when Hallward made pejorative references to my ethnic background. What control did I have about that Wally?

Also, illiterate and all – even if he can’t help it, he was progressive enough to volunteer at the front line with the other pile-onners against Liz and Rosie too recently. Incidentally he tried out a smart arse assertion on me earlier, which started it all. Yet you only have eyes for me. How noble of you, Bushmaster.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 7:11 pm

And at that point, I would have taken my leave whether or not I was busting to see the performance.

This the way.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 20, 2023 7:14 pm

It is interesting to muse on whether war *is* an illness in of itself, or a symptom of some other malady.

War is what happens when memeplexes collide. If one memeplex controls a nation, and if it contains the meme that members of that nation are intended to control and/ or enslave members of any other nation, then war is inevitable. Not necessarily a shooting war, those are rather inefficient and old fashioned, but a war.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Oh really, but you remained silent when Hallward made pejorative references to my ethnic background. What control did I have about that Wally?

Crybaby.

JMH
JMH
May 20, 2023 7:18 pm

bespoke at 7.11 pm:

This the way.

Yes, and I would have demanded my money back.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 7:18 pm

And at that point, I would have taken my leave whether or not I was busting to see the performance.

Cite you an ANZAC Day service that began with a “welcome to country.” Two of the local veterans walked out, and it was years before I went to another one.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 7:18 pm

Hi BeSpook
Does your Dyslexia
ever play up when you
type Chuckle?
[chuckle]

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JMH says: May 20, 2023 at 7:05 pm

the female conductor of the ballet orchestra stood up and said “we are on Gadigal land”, and then she said “we stand with Stan Grant“. I nearly fell of my chair in shock, my sister nearly sprayed her bottle of water over herself in shock,

And at that point, I would have taken my leave whether or not I was busting to see the performance.

I’d have loudly heckled with something like: “Then bugger off & stand with him, or stick to the programme, you subsidized grant monkey!”

There’s nothing quite like heated glares & perhaps an easily demolished counter-riposte or two from any subsidized grant monkeys who happen to be in nearby seats.

Example: Watching “Australia” (Huge Ackman, Nick Ol’ Kidman) had lotsa opportunities to shout “utter bullshit” into the cinema, thus triggering nearby woke sheilas.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 7:31 pm
Black Ball
Black Ball
May 20, 2023 7:32 pm

Upthread it was noted the sports and players and camaraderie gleaned, with everyone striving for excellence.
It never leaves you. Was roped into having a game of footy today, loved every minute of it. Despite the swollen ankle, bruised ribs and now back cramps, I will be back.
It’s the same with bowls. Champions of physical sport cannot rid themselves of competition. So they get into a pursuit like this.
So I raise a whisky to you all on this fine day.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 7:33 pm

Feel free to check out Wally’s Archibald post, even if it’s just to click on the link and roll your eyes at the entries.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 20, 2023 7:34 pm

I’d have loudly heckled with something like: “Then bugger off & stand with him, or stick to the programme, you subsidized grant monkey!”

We need lots more of this. These buggers have been exploiting our good manners for much too long. If your good manners are a weakness, get rid of them.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Have now seen at least two different memes, in which the Bud-Lite can with the tranny’s face has instead had the visage of John Prostitutto superimposed.

Harsh!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 7:36 pm

Anyway, in honor of World Whisky day, I’m having a slow and reflective single malt, before dinner, and opening a copy of Top Ender’s book “Atomic Salvation.” (Signed copy, dont cha know…)

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 7:36 pm

132andBush
Don’t be concerned I’m not.

What about?
Your Woodstock fetish?
Or JC’s white nighting?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 7:37 pm

Back in Nagasaki, I got married to Cho Cho San …

We spent a night in a Love Hotel in Nagasaki. Right on ground zero.

But we often hit that note.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 7:38 pm

^knighting

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 7:39 pm

We’ve just decided to call in a Pizza.

I’m exhausted. Just cleaned the BBQ. Never doing it again.
We’ll buy a new one.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 7:42 pm

Ed Casesays:

May 20, 2023 at 1:05 pm

The stuff he is posting would be a slam dunk for a defamation lawyer.

The stuff you and plenty of others have been posting about Higgins non stop for 2 years would be a Slam Dunk for a Defamation Lawyer too, then?

Well, wrong again Googlery KC.
What has been said here about Britnah is basically on the public record and confirmed by none other than Britnah herself.
Trivia like she sometimes forgets her pants and, of course, more important stuff like that she is a serial liar.
You see, the problem for Team Britnah with any defamation claim for that stuff is that she has to repudiate what she has already said … under oath.
Y’know, like, perjury man.
And the other more tenuous stuff, like the political connections between Mr Sharaz and others, well, I don’t reckon Ms “cleared my phone” Britnah would want to go through discovery on that, do you?
She’s got three million reasons not to.
You, on the other hand, have been accusing an innocent man of rape.
Keep it up, champ, and you stand a good chance of ending up in phase 2 of Lehrmann’s payday.
Remember Nick Sandman?
Having fried the big fish, he is still churning through the minnows.
Sock puppets won’t save you from that if the writs start flying.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 7:42 pm

We need lots more of this. These buggers have been exploiting our good manners for much too long. If your good manners are a weakness, get rid of them.

I think I would have been very tempted to stand up after the clapping an announce “Well, I don’t, I don’t stand by him.”

Cassie, you should write a letter to complain to the Company about political indoctrination at the ballet.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 7:43 pm

areffsays:
May 20, 2023 at 6:56 pm
To put a turbine in deep water requires huge amounts of concrete, drilling and general disruption

Pretty sure the albatross-choppers the Danfilth is installing off Gippy are the floating variety. How you go about doing that is for someone else to explain.

Look to the failed tidal generation systems (all in OZ have failed) for an indication of the probable success rate.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 7:43 pm

Cap’n Stransky’s arrival at the Eastern front

David Warner is one of my favourite actors. And Lee Marvin is everyone’s favourite actor.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 7:44 pm

Watching Indiana Jones in Shanghai. Great opening number, reminiscent of the Zeigfield Follies. Much skewering of inscrutables and nightclub mahem. And now it’s Short Round driving.

With whom I identify most sincerely.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 7:44 pm

Example: Watching “Australia” (Huge Ackman, Nick Ol’ Kidman) had lotsa opportunities to shout “utter bullshit” into the cinema, thus triggering nearby woke sheilas.

Some of the next generation walked out of “Rabbit Proof Fence.” Their great grandparents were farming on the Rabbit Proof Fence at the time the film was set, and they never remembered three Aboriginal girls, with a police party in pursuit.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 7:45 pm

Sadly David Warner the actor died last year. As far as I know he was never a cricketer.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 7:46 pm

“Cassie, you should write a letter to complain to the Company about political indoctrination at the ballet.”

We are going to Lizzie. It was totally inappropriate.

I’ve just sent you an email.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2023 7:48 pm

And at that point, I would have taken my leave whether or not I was busting to see the performance.

We did that very pointedly at a hideous woke commedian on a cruise ship. As he really wound up on his TDS, Hairy says in a loud voice ‘Let’s Go’, and we ‘excused me’d’ along the row till we could exit. Lots of people noticed.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 7:49 pm

Your Woodstock fetish?

This and the barking hand bag dogs owner, Bush.

Seriously you should try some Woodstock cans. It unleashes the secrets of the universe.

P
P
May 20, 2023 7:50 pm

We’ve just decided to call in a Pizza.

While you wait for your pizza.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 20, 2023 7:51 pm

So I will also be celebrating World Whisk(e)y Day. The fact that I only have Johnny Walker Red to celebrate with is neither here nor there.

This is absolutely correct.

What one person enjoys with their grog is not connected to what another person enjoys with theirs.

A person who enjoys their JW Red is not having an inferior experience to someone who prefers Aberlour Cask Strength with branch water (as the Americans call it). There is not some remote place in the universe where one person’s taste is being objectively compared to another’s.

When I drink the drink I like all anyone else can see is my rolling eyes and lolling tongue. They don’t actually experience my taste.

My Dad loved him a Chivas Regal. I remember seeing him take a long sip, ease back in his chair, let his eyelids descend like light at dusk, and exhale softly with extreme contentment. As much as anyone might hope for. Nothing ‘inferior’ or ‘less refined’ there at all.

I can get that sometimes.

Anyone swirling a ‘cheap’ scotch the love in a glass – I am there swirling with you. If it is inexpensive then lucky you – but I do not for a moment doubt the pleasure you feel.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 7:53 pm

We are going to Lizzie. It was totally inappropriate.

Well done, Cassie.

calli
calli
May 20, 2023 7:54 pm

Sometimes these acts of vile propagandizing hit you so fast and when least expected – completely blindsided.

Lefites would jeer and stomp, however good manners is often the fall back position for reasonable people to shock. I understand why you didn’t create on the spot Cassie.

Next time…and there will be a next time.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 8:00 pm

Seriously you should try some Woodstock cans. It unleashes the secrets of the universe.

Well I’ve had enough chemo in the past to make me glow in the dark, I suppose I can try one can.

Your shout or do I have to suffer the ignominy of buying my own?

Robert Sewell
May 20, 2023 8:05 pm

Mother Load:

Anyone swirling a ‘cheap’ scotch the love in a glass – I am there swirling with you. If it is inexpensive then lucky you – but I do not for a moment doubt the pleasure you feel.

Umm.
Mother Load, I’m not sure how to break this to you, but I’m, like, taking the piss about having JW Red in da ‘ouse.
I’m much more refined than that – I’m actually drinking XXXX Bitter.
Please don’t cry.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
May 20, 2023 8:05 pm

Sounds like you’ve done this before. Might as well add interest as well. There is usually a statutory rate somewhere.

Sure thing, I used to do this to good effect when Insurance companies did not pay our client’s compensation monies for months I would do just that and at the time the statutory rate was 9.5%

I recall a legendary legal eagle, many decade ago now, whose client had not been settlement monies for many months and despite many requests for payment, the solicitor went through the process and ended up having a winding up order issued and served it on the insurance company – hilarity ensued and the money issued tout suite. Remember this was many years ago, they’ve probably made it illegal now, because of course nowadays it’s insurance companies that run the world we live in.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:05 pm

“Sometimes these acts of vile propagandizing hit you so fast and when least expected – completely blindsided.

Lefites would jeer and stomp, however good manners is often the fall back position for reasonable people to shock. I understand why you didn’t create on the spot Cassie.

Next time…and there will be a next time.”

Thanks calli. As you and others here know, I’m no shrinking violet when it comes to fighting battles against progressives and progressivism. As for the ballet, my sister and I were shocked, quite speechless. We will be penning a letter of complaint.

bespoke
bespoke
May 20, 2023 8:06 pm

My shout, Bush and then you rest in the barrel room with the others.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
May 20, 2023 8:06 pm

seen not been

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2023 8:08 pm

Keep it up, champ, and you stand a good chance of ending up in phase 2 of Lehrmann’s payday.

Weren’t you running a similar fairytale about Lord Alister McAlpine getting a series of defamation payouts a few years back?

Old McAlpine went to water when someone stood up to him.

Lehrmann might be getting a Courtroom door payday off NewsCorp & CBS, but a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, know what I mean?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 8:11 pm

I still think Ed is an AI troll bot.

That’s a bit harsh. I think he’s our Pinocchio figure, desperately wanting to be loved and be human.

Digger
Digger
May 20, 2023 8:12 pm

Cite you an ANZAC Day service that began with a “welcome to country.” Two of the local veterans walked out, and it was years before I went to another one.
My sentiments exactly. Veterans should generally be the ones organising or I would hope, being consulted, about the agenda for ANZAC Day and as such it is more than disappointing that there are some amongst us who have drank the coolade.

I have built a small veterans memorial for our local community in country Tasmania and hold a local service whenever I can on ANZAC Day. Encouragingly we had more than 50 there this year and you can rest assured that there is no ‘welcome to country’ component to our services.

If there was I would also leave and not return.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2023 8:12 pm

Ed’s best funny lately was claiming the partisans who executed Mussolini “weren’t even Italian”.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 20, 2023 8:14 pm

Umm.
Mother Load, I’m not sure how to break this to you, but I’m, like, taking the piss about having JW Red in da ‘ouse.

Still a valid point, but.

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2023 8:16 pm
Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Next time you think about voting Liberal, just remember this, an assortment of racist grievance mongers and LGBTQI+ activists have used various state “Human Rights Commissions” to go after and silence….

1. Lyle Shelton
2. Kirralee Smith
3. Sall Grover
4. Bernard Gaynor
5. Isaac Butterfield,

and many others, Christians, mums and dads and so on

Remember how every state and federal Liberal government over the last fifteen years has been too cowardly and too craven to even try and close down these monstrous Stalinist chamber of horrors.

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2023 8:18 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Excess deaths in Canada

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2023 8:19 pm

I knew Hammy Sir. And Groogs is no Hammy.

Muddy
Muddy
May 20, 2023 8:20 pm

Via one of Indolent’s links above:

Have you heard about Martial Simon, a 61 year old homeless man from NYC who had mental illness? He was a repeat offender and was out on parole for armed robbery.

In 2022 he was harassing patrons at the subway station and threatening them. No one did anything. Everyone stood by because they were more afraid of the cancel mob than this lunatic. He walked behind 40 year old Michelle Alyssa Go and shoved her in front of an oncoming train. She died at the scene.

@AOC did not attend her funeral. She did not get a golden casket.

[Source].

When it gets to a point where no words can be found in the language you speak, to express your perception of life around you – how alien it has become – you begin imagining that if you had superpowers, you’d summon an asteroid…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 8:20 pm

feelthebernsays:

May 20, 2023 at 4:10 pm

I have no idea whether Whybrow’s statement that Wilkinson’s speech (and resultant trial delay) effectively got Lehrmann off is true or not.
One thing is for sure.
It is epic, Olympic standard trolling.
….
One could only imagine the texts between Wilkinson & co today.

Trooble at mill, with Team Britnah?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 8:21 pm

Lefites would jeer and stomp, however good manners is often the fall back position for reasonable people to shock.

I find an almost icy courtesy the best weapon in dealing with the ill – mannered.
“If you will allow me to point out…”

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2023 8:24 pm
Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2023 8:26 pm

“Old McAlpine went to water when someone stood up to him.”

Nope Dick Ed. McAlpine died in 2014, shortly after he’d won several cases against such high profile people such as George Moonbot and Sally Bercow, both of whom had to pay damages to a charity of McAlpine’s choice.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 8:26 pm

Watching Indiana Jones in Shanghai.

That movie has got to be deep sixed by the WEF if they really want people to eat bugs.
Which gives me an idea for a song!

Bomb The Bass – Bug Powder Dust (1994)

I think it’s time for you boys to share my last taste of the true black meat; the flesh of the giant, aquatic, Brazilian centipede

Clearly spoken by Harrison Ford, but I can’t work out where the clip comes from.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 8:28 pm

My shout, Bush and then you rest in the barrel room with the others.

Sounds omnibus.

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2023 8:29 pm

Melanie Phillips is on fire.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 8:30 pm

Modern life is rubbish.

There – I’ve stated it, Cats.

Feel free to try and prove me wrong. Remember, I am the judge. So no Eddles type idiocy will be tolerated.

Or else it’s straight into the nearest waste material recepticle. 🙂

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
May 20, 2023 8:32 pm

Rabzsays:
May 20, 2023 at 6:25 pm

Nicely said Rabz

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 8:37 pm

A wind energy company has pleaded guilty after killing at least 150 eagles

Yeah, sad news today from my neck of the woods.

Norah Head locals calling for consultation period to be extended for Hunter Offshore Wind Zone (Ncl local news, 20 May)

Some kms south of where I am, and on the coast. At least someone is protesting a bit. But the green bird mashers are nearly unstoppable, like the Terminator. Some years ago I wrote to my local council to oppose such things and got a sympathetic hearing – we don’t have any in our LCA yet. But keeping them out is going to be hard.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 20, 2023 8:38 pm

Good grief.

I dearly hope that this is bullsh*t. My gut says it isn’t … that’s not enough though. Follow ups and more verification needed. If Oma was alive I’d be asking to her to verify the Dutch commentary with those two young children.

If proven to be true ( not sure at this stage – you have to be weary of ‘leaked’ information ) we are indeed in a very evil place at the moment.

Leaked WHO Files Reveal Plan To Force Kids To Have Sexual Partners

Rabz
May 20, 2023 8:39 pm

Modern life is rubbish

I tried to “crack onto” a chick in Newcastle back in about 2005 (?) who was a pommy academic. We discussed this topic for at least an hour.

She affirmed my hypothesis.

Take note, BoN.

They’re not coming in with a pair of maracas, are they…?”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 8:47 pm

Aha, got it! It’s from Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs. There’s fillum version from 1991, although Harrison Ford isn’t in the cast list. Maybe it was a different actor though, who sounds like him. Betcha it gets cancelled by the woke before long. I can’t wait for my first taste of the true black meat, for the planet.

Rabz
May 20, 2023 8:48 pm

Ambulance

I ain’t got nothin’ to be scared of, Miss Personage …

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 8:49 pm

Grandp Cletus

Have you found those 1943 Japanese surrender terms yet? You know, the ones that they would have accepted when they controlled much of China, all of South-East Asia, Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Mandated Territory of New Guinea, New Britain, half of the Solomon Islands and most of Micronesia? Were they going to abandon their Co-Prosperity sphere, all to keep the Emperor?

Don’t be shy, give us the link to the terms.

P
P
May 20, 2023 8:49 pm

June 21 2018
Katy Gallagher has a new job, at Calvary Hospital
Former ACT chief minister and ousted senator Katy Gallagher has taken a job with Calvary Hospital, where she could have a role in negotiating the hosptial’s funding agreement with the ACT government.

Old article, but interesting in view of the recent developments re Calvary Hospital.

132andBush
132andBush
May 20, 2023 8:52 pm

Modern life rubbish?
Getting away with it

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 8:54 pm

https://quadrant.org.au/the-3-million-question/

Compares the speed with which three million quid was dropped into Brittany’s account, with the treatment dealt out to an Afghanistan veteran – FIVE TOURS, F.F.S – who was paying for his medical treatment out of his own pocket, and who took his life waiting for D.V.A to process his claims.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 9:02 pm

Modern life is rubbish.
There – I’ve stated it, Cats.

I really love tracks with backing singers Rabz. That’s one of the best of them.
Sad news that The Smiths’ bassist Andy Rourke died of pancreatic yesterday.
This track is an appropriate epitaph:

The Smiths – How Soon Is Now? (1984)

Rabz
May 20, 2023 9:03 pm

Nicely said

Thanks, Tints.

Speaking of “Powerful Womanages”, one does not mess with Tints, being as she is the definition of a “Pocket Dynamo”. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 9:04 pm

Don’t be shy, give us the link to the terms.

Boambee John, over on the old thread, you posted that Chester Nimitz claimed that the United States Navy would be unable to support any Allied invasion of Japan.

Old age, and a liking for strong drink, may have dulled my memory, but that’s the first time I’ve heard that one. Could I trouble you for a reference?

Rabz
May 20, 2023 9:15 pm

Thanks, BoN – terrible news.

I was a huge fan of the Smiths. They succeeded the Jam as the biggest band in England from about ’87 onwards.

This Charming Man

I would go out tonight, but I haven’t got a white Levi’s jacket to spare 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:18 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
May 20, 2023 at 9:04 pm
Don’t be shy, give us the link to the terms.

Boambee John, over on the old thread, you posted that Chester Nimitz claimed that the United States Navy would be unable to support any Allied invasion of Japan.

Old age, and a liking for strong drink, may have dulled my memory, but that’s the first time I’ve heard that one. Could I trouble you for a reference?

Sorry Zulu, I don’t record detailed references, it would detract from my reading time.

bons
bons
May 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Searching for a reference, but by memory Nimitz’s commentary related to the capacity of the Fleet to maintain support in the face a sustained Kamakaze assault.
The context was the revelation that intelligence sources believed that the Japanese military still had a reserve of 5,000 aircraft of all types.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:22 pm

Zulu

A quick search found this.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/victory-in-japan-army-navy-1945

The key words:

“The intelligence revelations were a godsend to Admiral King who was always determined to prevent an invasion of Japan in accord with longstanding navy convictions. King had advised his JCS colleagues in April that he only assented to issuing a preparatory order for OLYMPIC to ready the invasion option by November. But he pointedly added they would come back in August or September to reexamine whether an invasion was necessary. He also knew the senior Naval officer in the Pacific, Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, at the end of May had privately informed King that he could no longer support any invasion of Japan based on the Okinawa experience.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:24 pm

Zulu

Another extract, relevant to discussions today:

“King’s alternative strategy was the Navy’s long preferred one of blockade. It was the most ruthless strategy Americans contemplated in 1945. The blockade explicitly aimed to cut off food supplies and kill millions of Japanese, mostly civilians, from starvation. Atomic weapons then available lacked the power or numbers to kill by measures more than thousands. Critics of how the war ended quote statements by Naval officers that the war could have been ended without atomic bombs. What the critics do not disclose is that this alternate means to end the war aimed to kill Japanese by the millions.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2023 9:26 pm

Grandpa Cletus

That’s how it is done, but simple searches are not useful when the answer exists only in your inbred brain.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 20, 2023 9:26 pm

If this ballet Marxist despises the British settlement of Australia so much, why have ballet at all?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 20, 2023 9:26 pm

I first watched this film released in 1986 in a classroom in High School.

Memories.

Everybody Wants To Rule The World – Ferris Bueller Music Video

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 9:26 pm

Rabz, I’m getting a feel for the next monthly extravaganza. Blur, James, Smiths, Bomb The Bass.
Something is linking all them…what is it?

I’ll contribute this one to help you out:

Oasis – Cigarettes & Alcohol (1994)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2023 9:34 pm

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/victory-in-japan-army-navy-1945

That’s by Richard B Frank – it was his book “Downfall” that revealed that the Japanese Army was pouring troops into Kyushu to the point where any American invasion would have faced even odds against the Japanese defenders, and that the Americans were planning on detonating six bombs to isolate the invasion beaches.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2023 9:40 pm

a sustained Kamakaze assault.

I saw this one today: that the Japanese weren’t terribly interested in German jet engine tech until they worked out how good it would be for kamikazi warfare.

https://twitter.com/karyu201/status/1659601022262689794

An observation worth some thought. The Me-262 was a beautiful aeroplane. I only have now came across this guy’s twitter feed, but from a quick peruse it’s worth a look for some really serious military aircraft stuff.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2023 9:41 pm

chrislsays:

May 20, 2023 at 7:09 pm

It’s Dreamtime at the G tonight
Richmond vs Essendon
As a paid up Tiger supporter for 21 years I have been to quite a few of these.
I have absolutely no need to be welcomed to country …

I always toon in the telly two minutes after scheduled start time to avoid it.
I guess you can’t do that at the ground.

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