Open Thread – Weekend 3 June 2023


One of the Family, Frederick George Cotman, 1880

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bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 5:44 pm
John H.
John H.
June 5, 2023 5:45 pm

JCsays:
June 5, 2023 at 5:03 pm
That has taken serious hits in recent decades with most now admitting there is some type of consciousness there. Google it, many fascinating studies there. That or buy a dog. Dogs, like individuals with William’s Syndrome, are loaded to the hilt with oxytocin and in both humans and dogs oxytocin is a hug hormone.

Yeah, John H. I haven’t read studies about it. I’m of the opinion that self awareness is also related to spatial awareness in the context of where and how say a dog fits into it’s environment. Animals are certainly spatially aware and therefore to a large extent self aware too probably.

Some of this self awareness is missing in humans though. You quite witness the absence by certain people on this blog. ?

JC you are channeling a paper by Danish neuroscientist who argues that motor functions, which requires spatial awareness, are fundamental to cognition. It’s lost in my archives, I should dig out for another read.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 5:50 pm

Apparent temp around 4 degrees at 3pm at Swanbourne and everyone home from work for the WA public holiday. That should help Western Power sales.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 5:51 pm

I have never beating up on a woman.

Nor referd to one as a cxxt.

How about you JC?

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 5:52 pm

JC you are channeling a paper by Danish neuroscientist who argues that motor functions, which requires spatial awareness, are fundamental to cognition. It’s lost in my archives, I should dig out for another read.

Wow, really. I suspect that’s where it all begins.

Delta A
Delta A
June 5, 2023 5:53 pm

And fearful. God is the escape from death.

John H, I doubt that many (if any) of the Christians on this site fear death. At worst, it is an eternity of peaceful oblivion: no pain, no pressure and no wretched politicians.

Sounds like heaven, doesn’t it? 🙂

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 5:56 pm

bespoke says:
June 5, 2023 at 5:51 pm

I have never beating up on a woman.

LOl, do we really need to go back and examine the stupid dyslexic junk you posted against Liz. How brave of you all. But really, how defective.

Nor referd to one as a cxxt.

OMG, did I? How absolutely terrible. How offensive? In the immortal words of Donald Trump, to paraphrase “with one exception……..”

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 5, 2023 5:59 pm

“The Tale of Brittnee && Foolish Bruce” a.k.a. Rashomon for the Rash & Rooted Researchers of the Right …

Many possible variations of reality could have taken place between entering PH and leaving some 30++ mins later. Who will be picked to play the lead roles? And who will be willing and able to play themselves in cameo roles?

shatterzzz
June 5, 2023 6:02 pm

Marty Robbins… (Long Version) “El Paso” 1959 with Lyrics

This is my favourite Marty Robbins … BIG IRON …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OntwwcBVe6o

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:03 pm

Go for for it,manchold. It’ll expose ya selective outrage.

Every day you and Sancho picking scabs like gossip girls.

Boring!

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 6:04 pm

Dot says:
June 5, 2023 at 4:10 pm
Consider homeschooling or a private tutor; even the elite, C of E grammar schools swallow woke garbage like a foie gras duck.

The other alternative is distance education. Home schooling or private tutors are expensive alternatives and in Queensland (and probably other jurisdictions) there are very specific requirements on the quality and training by the tutor imposed by the Education Act.

We have recently enrolled Miss Speedbox in distance education although we live in metro Brisbane. Our other kids attended public and private schools but we have become disillusioned. Most recently, Miss Speedbox walked out (!) of a school-wide address in the assembly hall where one of the teachers was lecturing on the ‘normalness’ of cross-dressing, blurred gender lines, being ‘whoever or whatever’ you feel. Another teacher followed Miss Speedbox and asked why she left the hall – when she explained she doesn’t agree with what was being said the teacher responded with “your home life must be awful”. WTF!!!

Needless to say I hit the roof when told but Miss Speedbox begged that I not do anything as it would make her school life very hard with the teachers. As it happens, many of her friends said they wished they had the ‘guts’ to walk out but didn’t dare.

So, I swallowed a very large lump and reacted differently.

By the way, in this same school, the girls toilets are considered a ‘safe place’ and teachers don’t enter. Students as young as 12 routinely vape in the toilets and God knows what else happens. I do know that some others identify as cats and walk around meowing including (occasionally) in class – and all tolerated by the school.

When we moved to Brisbane from Adelaide over a decade ago we chose the suburb to live in based solely on the academic results of the nearby public schools. We ensured we were in the catchment area and the schools were, by any measure, some of the best in Queensland, public or private. Now….. the overall school academic scores have been in gradual decline for the past few years and the woke brigade are increasing their influence.

Well, not on mine they’re not. We’re out of there.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 5, 2023 6:04 pm

Sounds like heaven, doesn’t it? ?

I reckon being alive is heaven.* Politicians, bushflies and mosquitoes are here to give us problems so we don’t get bored, and have things to think about.

* Not for everyone. For some it’s clearly hell.

shatterzzz
June 5, 2023 6:05 pm

There goes another ‘died suddenly’.
His death may have been sudden but today’s entry is the 614th mention since passing that Jock Zonfrillo (a bloke I’d never heard of before) has made the Mail Online …..!

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 6:08 pm

Every day you and Sancho picking scabs like gossip girls.

Oh, It’s me and Sanchez joining up, is it? Let’s forget the pile-onning by at least four defectives for two years.
1. You
2.Trans
3. Nielson
4. Karen Blix

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 6:10 pm

Brave kid, Speedbox. You should be proud of her and yourselves for raising her this way.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 5, 2023 6:13 pm

The bar (88 mph) had 100% CCTV coverage and this doesn’t show any last minute loading, or any suggestion of spiking.

Actually, from what I saw I’d say at the end she was holding two glasses, one a small glass and one she was swigging from, a bigger one, which looked to me like topping up on water ready for the next round.

These young girls often do that.
They never go anywhere without their water bottle or a glass of it handy.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 5, 2023 6:17 pm

I wonder if they look for high oxygen concentrations are evidence of microbes in distant planets.

John – They don’t have the resolution yet, not even with James Webb. I did see a paper a few weeks ago where it was claimed a gas was detected in the atmosphere of a planet, but it was pretty iffy. Methane I think, in that case. The idea is to watch an eclipsing planet as it passes its star and do spectra for the absorption lines particularly as it comes out of eclipse. Extremely difficult given the timing and that the star behind the atmosphere is so bright. Like picking out a needle from a million haystacks.

There was another paper on the second direct imaging of an extrasolar planet. Of course that and the first one were both Jupiter sized, as you might expect, and hot enough to radiate in infrared. But the message is they are getting there slowly, although detecting molecular oxygen is probably a step too far just yet. That what it looks like to me anyway.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 5, 2023 6:19 pm

So,
counting last night’s ad

Lehrmann has now told

5 different stories about what happened that night.

Prediction:
Lehrmann will still be giving “exclusives” in 2063

by which time

it will be version 969.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 6:20 pm

cohenitesays:

June 5, 2023 at 4:19 pm

West Coast Coolers and Cold Duck are amateur hour compared to Ben Ean Moselle, a nonpareil leg opener, when only the best would do.

Yes, I would agree that Ben Zean moselle was highly effective, but at $4.99 it was a tad pricey.
West Coast Cooler delivered far better results on a $ for $ basis.
The downside was the more fruity WCC varieties tended to stain if rebounded (not unlike the Cadbury Favourites).
Ben Zean was far more benign if you had a chucker on your hands and worried about staining your Miller shirt.
There’s probably a doctorate in there somewhere.
Or maybe not.

cohenite
June 5, 2023 6:23 pm

From the BRS Judgment:

“I take into account the fact that Persons 5, 29 and 35 are close friends of the applicant, that he had arranged the payment of the legal fees of Persons 5 and 35 respectively and, in the case of all three, he has had discussions with them concerning events at W108.

All the afghan winesses were paid by nein. BRS’s comrades (sic) who testified against him had previously expresses jealousy and disgruntlement.

The judge preferred the defence witnesses by ignoring negative probative factors..

John H.
John H.
June 5, 2023 6:23 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
June 5, 2023 at 6:17 pm
I wonder if they look for high oxygen concentrations are evidence of microbes in distant planets.

John – They don’t have the resolution yet, not even with James Webb. I did see a paper a few weeks ago where it was claimed a gas was detected in the atmosphere of a planet, but it was pretty iffy. Methane I think, in that case. The idea is to watch an eclipsing planet as it passes its star and do spectra for the absorption lines particularly as it comes out of eclipse. Extremely difficult given the timing and that the star behind the atmosphere is so bright. Like picking out a needle from a million haystacks.

There was another paper on the second direct imaging of an extrasolar planet. Of course that and the first one were both Jupiter sized, as you might expect, and hot enough to radiate in infrared. But the message is they are getting there slowly, although detecting molecular oxygen is probably a step too far just yet. That what it looks like to me anyway.

Thanks Bruce.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 5, 2023 6:27 pm

From the top o’ the page:
Total mystery why they’re called the SFL party.
Re Kathleen Folbigg and her (today) unconditional pardon;

Hey, dickhead.
A Pardon isn’t a Not Guilty verdict.
The kids are still dead and she’s still guilty.

P
P
June 5, 2023 6:28 pm

bespoke says:
June 5, 2023 at 5:51 pm

I have never beating up on a woman.

Too true.

I have not forgotten when you defended me and was howled down for it on the old catallaxy. I thank you now as I deemed it inappropriate to do so at the time.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 5, 2023 6:28 pm

What’s the real story behind Brit’nah brilliant plan that brought down the Morrison government?
Perhaps we should ask her Chinese paymasters? (Ominous music)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 6:29 pm

Speedbox earlier.

100%. Well established that a person who is ‘schoolies level shiffaced’ cannot give informed consent. Therefore, anything that is alleged to have happened ‘must be’ sexual assault and drunkenness is a handy foil for fending off uncomfortable questions. (at worse and if the accuser is shown to be a liar, she ‘misremembered’ due to the fog of alcohol.)

Quite so.
It is a neat lowering of the consent bar to avoid any question of “did she, didn’t she”.
Too pissed.
Slam dunk on consent.
As you say, this is also doubles as a very cunning smokescreen for awkward “misrememberings” … but only to a point.
When the “misrememberings” and revisionisms pile starts to stack up too high, a jury can quite legitimately start developing reasonable doubt as to the core story.
Which it seems eleven of them did.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 5, 2023 6:30 pm

John – The one I’m hoping for is a direct image of the planets of Proxima Centauri. It is our closest extrasolar star at 4.25 ly away. So far they have found three planets they think. One is the size of Earth, another about twice the size of Mars and a tentative one about half the size of Neptune. The first two appear to be in the 0-100 C temperature zone. I’m sure the astronomers are keen to get a picture if they can, and it’s nice to know that there’s useful real estate next door, even if it probably isn’t especially salubrious.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 5, 2023 6:30 pm

Marty Robbinzz was The Man for those songs. Thanks Shatterzz, I had just mentioned the Big Iron on His Hip to Mrs A, and (unusually) she didn’t recall it, despite us being the same advanced age.
Just played it for her, with an intro along the lines of “If you like Clint Eastwood cowboy movies …”

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 5, 2023 6:31 pm

Not sure Farmer Gez but their mendacity and spite has been on full display. The meja certainly go low.

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 6:33 pm

Thanks JC. Yes, I was immensely proud of her. It would have taken real guts to actually stand up and leave. She is a ‘chip of the block’ in that she takes after myself and Mrs Speedbox (who also accepts very little bullsh!t). We have tried very hard to raise the kids (all 4 of them) as thinkers. Think it through – what are you actually being told – look deeper – if its rubbish, say so. No need to be rude, just gather your thoughts and explain why something is incorrect or doesn’t make sense. They also recognise the MSM for what it is.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 5, 2023 6:34 pm

https://www.9news.com.au/national/kathleen-folbigg-pardoned-after-20-years-in-jail/1973d88d-63c3-4f3e-bc8c-bf328357d2ff

Announcing the pardon, NSW Attorney General Michael Daley said Folbigg had endured “a terrible ordeal” and there was the possibility she could sue the government if the convictions were quashed, a legal move which goes beyond a pardon.

Schrodinger’s guilty?
Guilty-ish?
Innocent adjacent?
Murderless infanticide?

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:34 pm

Cheers P.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 6:35 pm

H B Bearsays:

June 5, 2023 at 4:50 pm

No way $20 espresso martinis can do the same job on apprentice or articled clerk wages. 

FMD!
We are not skint by any means, but it never ceases to amaze how much cash my younger rellos throw at concoctions like that on a night out.
(Maybe that is why we are not skint).

Muddy
Muddy
June 5, 2023 6:35 pm

Speedbox says:
June 5, 2023 at 4:20 pm

This country is a circus.

This country is a House of Mirrors overlaid with the soundtrack of a circus.
(Don’t buy anything at the concession stand).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 6:37 pm

I kid you not, a family member works for a large financial. There’s someone there who is partially autistic and she’s demanded people accept that she identifies as a cat. I’m not making this shit up. The firm plays along with the bullshit.

Start paying her in tins of Whiskas and see how long it lasts.

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 6:39 pm

Thank you Speedbox for acknowledging my observation on the consent issue. It’s the hinge on which the entire confabulation hangs.

It was important for Higgins to impress her incapacity on investigators and jurors. Trouble is, although not sober as a judge, she’s not incapable either. This thing was workshopped within an inch of its life as tapes from Wilkinson et al show.

She’s the “face of the movement” you know.

It looks more like a bowel movement right now.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 5, 2023 6:39 pm

Revelations keep coming about the No Knickers case.
Can we get past that “feminism” shit now? It has misled and dudded women, casting them into the modern role of galley slaves – in business instead of (allegedly) at home where they are close to and caring for the most important people in their lives, their children. Simultaneously it made them critical of their husbands – who recalls the “male chauvinist pig” thing from the 1970s?
It has helped destroy the family and subsequently the middle class.
The tactic of destroying the middle class is not new, it goes back to the Marxist-Leninist era.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 5, 2023 6:41 pm

Can’t wait for the new research article in the Lancet.
The Folbigg Syndrome.

Crossie
Crossie
June 5, 2023 6:42 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
June 5, 2023 at 2:55 pm
It would be undermining confidence in the judicial process and the justice system … no matter how compelling … the evidence is

That any legal officer can say that about evidence undermining the judicial process must be a joke. Or it’s a total lack of self-awareness on the part of the person. But then again we have the recent cases such as Pell, BRS and Lerhmann which say that evidence is no longer important or even desired, allegations rule.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 5, 2023 6:43 pm

Start paying her in tins of Whiskas and see how long it lasts

She might be a Lezzo cat that doesn’t like Whiskas?

The responsible thing to do is to spay, it’s a simple procedure, I saw it described in a Farmers Almanac dated about 1903.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 5, 2023 6:43 pm

The total abrogation of even a scintilla of parental responsibility.

I think Matrix still loves his daughter very much, JC, and even you have said you have a ‘problem child’ as most of us do, because nearly all kids have their problems one way or another.

Parenting is hard and I think Matrix tried but got a really bad deal with a woman who was woke to the hilt and encouraged the daughter in all sorts of nonsense.

I’m sympathetic, not because I think I was a perfect parents for I was not, but because I know from my experience how when a woke parent does woke parenting and you are the other half of the child’s life, there is a lot of difficult tug of love going on with the child.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 6:45 pm

bespokesays:

June 5, 2023 at 6:03 pm

Go for for it,manchold. It’ll expose ya selective outrage.

Every day you and Sancho picking scabs like gossip girls.

Taht is so verey, verey hrutfull.

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 6:47 pm

I have never beating up on a woman.”

Rubbish.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 5, 2023 6:48 pm

ps I hope your daughter in the US is doing well with her medical problem, JC. Blood clots are always concerning. For the last three days I’ve had a stiff calf muscle in my right leg, the one that didn’t have a DVT, and I’ve been testing it out for heat and swelling hoping it was just pulled in my last dance class.

It’s better now, so I’m going with that’s what it was. Tossing up though for two days whether I should see a doc and get an ultrasound. Nothing is easy.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 5, 2023 6:48 pm

This country is a House of Mirrors overlaid with the soundtrack of a circus.

Im thinking this was a documentary on our filth classes proclivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJv4n_gjoSw

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

… she’s demanded people accept that she identifies as a cat … The firm plays along with the bullshit.

They’re only partly playing along.
… unless they’re making her go to the toilet in a box of sand in the corner, feeding her a saucer of milk for lunch & calling a vet if she looks a bit poorly.

I’d give her a dead mouse to play with – see how much of a cat she really is.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:49 pm

Prove it Cassie.

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 6:49 pm

Oh and further….there have been many times when Bespook has joined in on pile-ons of Lizzie, almost always after one of Johanna’s nasty remarks. We all know this to be true.

I don’t think anyone here is without sin, well maybe calli and one or two others, but when Bespook writes, as he did above, that he “never beats up on a woman”, that’s just codswallop.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 6:50 pm

Liz

That comment you placed in quotes wasn’t mine, I sure wish it was though. 🙂

It’s very succinct.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 6:50 pm

Sancho – I don’t even buy $20 for me unless I know they will leave the bottle. Nothing worse than going out for dinner and having go on wine markups after it turns into a pissing contest. Conversely, dinner with someone who likes to show off their cellar and who doesn’t mind controlled temp offsite storage charges.

Tom
Tom
June 5, 2023 6:50 pm

Congratulations to Cassie of Sydney for correctly identifying that the Britanny Higgins farce was part of a carefully planned strategy by Labor to win the 2022 federal election, with the 100% complicity of the news media, by using it to smear PM Scott Morrison’s “women’s problem” – a non-existent propaganda invention to deflect from Labor’s vicious “mean girls”.

As expertly outlined tonight by Sharri Markson on Sky News, Lisa Wilkinson was the self-appointed campaign co-ordinator who enlisted then opposition leader/now Prime Minister Elbow and front-bencher Tania Plibersek (a.k.a. the Slovenian Hag), now federal environment minister, to front the campaign by leading the questioning of Morrison in federal parliament. Hopefully, I’ll post a video later.

Britanny Higgins need not have existed, except as a useful idiot in the Labor smear campaign.

Almost as a footnote, the reported $3 million payment to Higgins before anyone is convicted of laying a finger on her is to be investigated by the new federal Independent Commission Against Corruption.

You watch. The unelected Australian Deep State will find a way of justifying it and she’ll keep the lot.

In 2023 Australia and America, if voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 5, 2023 6:51 pm

I’d give her a dead mouse to play with – see how much of a cat she really is.

Okay.
So, it’d be all good if she responded to your gift by clawing your face off, right?

Crossie
Crossie
June 5, 2023 6:51 pm

All the afghan winesses were paid by nein. BRS’s comrades (sic) who testified against him had previously expresses jealousy and disgruntlement.

The judge preferred the defence witnesses by ignoring negative probative factors..

Quite simple really, the judge took sides.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 5, 2023 6:52 pm

Spaying cats.
Gumboot sized to cat and welding gloves.
Ten for a tomcat.

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 6:52 pm

The shorter version of the BRS judgement is that the witnesses against had no reason to lie because they were pure as the driven snow* while BRS had reason to lie because he wanted to protect his job, reputation and receive damages for being lied about.

What the hell does the judge think a defamation case is?

“On balance” one would hope a person who had suffered actual damage from accusations might want some form of reparation.

I hope he appeals and wins. As for the judge, I wouldn’t wish a malicious accusation is ever directed at him. No siree. That would be unkind.

* forget payment by nein, that doesn’t matter and neither does other motivators like jealousy or considering that other inconvenient aspect – actual rock solid evidence

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 6:53 pm

“Congratulations to Cassie of Sydney for correctly identifying that the Britanny Higgins farce was part of a carefully planned strategy by Labor to win the 2022 federal election, with the 100% complicity of the news media, by using it to smear PM Scott Morrison’s “women’s problem” – a non-existent propaganda invention to deflect from Labor’s vicious “mean girls”.”

Thank you Tom, the pong was obvious to me at the beginning, not just the Higgins story, but also a few weeks later with the fabulous, fantastic, absurd, ludicrous Porter allegations.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 5, 2023 6:54 pm

She’s the “face of the movement” you know.
It looks more like a bowel movement right now.

Very good.

As Alimak! says above, there is a highly contested 30-odd minutes after the happy couple pop into the Ministerial suite. Goodness only knows what actually happened: but the ‘officially endorsed’, unconscious-with-drink-stripped-naked-raped-and-callously-left-lying-there, version seems amongst the harder possibilities to swallow.

A bowel movement show.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:55 pm

Keep on acususing me beating up a women.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 6:56 pm

Peter Mervyn
1 hour ago
I’m with BRS all the way. They sent him into a dirty war to kill, and he served his country well.

Unfortunately, the only way BRS can now be cleared is for the government to charge him for committing murder and war crimes so that the ‘evidence’ can be thoroughly tested before a jury to decide beyond reasonable doubt whether he is guilty.

Until such time, BRS is entitled to the presumption of innocence irrespective of his civil defamation case being thrown out.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:56 pm

You have no proof.

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 6:56 pm

I don’t think anyone here is without sin, well maybe calli

Oh, I’m a sinner all right. There are some that I look back on (even on this blog) with a sense of shame. Mainly of the rude type. And the “should I have said something?” sort.

On ganging up…not so much. I had enough of that horrible stuff at school.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 6:57 pm

ps I hope your daughter in the US is doing well with her medical problem, JC

Thanks Liz. She’s dealing with it now.

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 6:57 pm

“Keep on acususing me beating up a women.”

Yu cant andle the troooth.

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 6:59 pm

“Oh, I’m a sinner all right. There are some that I look back on (even on this blog) with a sense of shame. Mainly of the rude type. And the “should I have said something?” sort.

On ganging up…not so much. I had enough of that horrible stuff at school.”

Calli, we’re all sinners….but yeah, I agree with you, having gone to a girl’s school, I remember the ganging up on other girls. Awful.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 6:59 pm

bespoke says:
June 5, 2023 at 6:55 pm

Keep on acususing me beating up a women.

Yako,,,, ouy did.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 6:59 pm

So nothing!

Muddy
Muddy
June 5, 2023 7:00 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
June 5, 2023 at 6:48 pm

Im thinking this was a documentary on our filth classes proclivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJv4n_gjoSw

I have no idea what I just watched, or why.

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 7:01 pm

Do you beat up women, bespoke? You were tewwibly mean to me about elderly ladies and incontinence pads once…until we decided they make an excellent field dressing.

Not that I’ve ever had to use one, mind. In either capacity.

Razey
Razey
June 5, 2023 7:02 pm

Where is monty and choo choo?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:02 pm

The Porter stitch up was more of an ALPBC production. Sharaz had to shop the Brittany dossier around before getting a couple of bites. We came across a corporate finance job like that. Been passed around more often than a few of the at the Liars national conference. Think we only lost a morning on that one. Saw that they went into administration a year or two later.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 5, 2023 7:04 pm

I think the whole Higgins shitshow has blown up in way not intended those driving it.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 7:04 pm

Razey says:
June 5, 2023 at 7:02 pm

Where is monty and choo choo?

Why do we need them, when we have you and teespkea?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:05 pm

mUnty only does drivebys now. He’s not even on a retainer. Piecemeal only. Inevitable really.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 7:06 pm

Do you beat up women, bespoke?

Never have never will.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 5, 2023 7:07 pm

As Alimak! says above, there is a highly contested 30-odd minutes after the happy couple pop into the Ministerial suite. Goodness only knows what actually happened:
Lerrhman has told 5 different stories [and counting] about why he was there and none of them involve Higgins.
According to Lehrrmann, once he’d finished, he just walked out the door and went on his way.
Of the 16 million Adults in Australia, all but about 25 reckon it’s hogwash, and they’re all commenters on a particular blog.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 7:10 pm
MatrixTransform
June 5, 2023 7:12 pm

Yours most certainly aren’t.

I sharpen them periodically on a sad-clown

Muddy
Muddy
June 5, 2023 7:13 pm

Not that I want to become involved in anything beyond my own struggles at the moment (which we of course, all endure), but the allegation of ‘beating up women’ against a commenter here is a serious one. If a commenter has evidence of physical violence inflicted by the targeted individual, this should, where practical, be referred to the relevant authorities.

If the allegations do not refer to physical violence, I suggest they risk doing a disservice to potential future victims of physical violence – female or male – by diluting the definition. Use instead another term, such as harassment, or stalking (if you think this justified).

Please be aware that although you may feel confident and psychologically self-assured, not everyone may share those positive attributes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:14 pm

Groogs taking the pulse of Peshawar.

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 7:14 pm

Never have never will.

The interwebs are treacherous places, bespoke, but I believe we share a great sorrow*.

For that alone I count you as a kindred spirit. An annoying, grinning one, but there it is.

* not dyslexia 😀

Razey
Razey
June 5, 2023 7:15 pm

Dunno about you guys, but in engineering I am observing a considerable experience gap between the late boomers, gen X to the millennials. I believe the gen X group of ‘experts’ who had the proper training is relatively small primarily due to Keatings recession and corporations reluctance to invest in training, which means less millennials are trained properly. Now many of the late boomers are retiring taking with them the big share of the experience that was not passed on properly. Engineering in Aus is in a death spiral that will not be fixed by importing even less experienced foreigners. What say you?

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 7:15 pm

Muddy says:
June 5, 2023 at 6:35 pm
This country is a House of Mirrors overlaid with the soundtrack of a circus.
(Don’t buy anything at the concession stand).

Hahaha. Very funny Muddy. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 7:17 pm

Caggisman
2 hours ago
It’s time to remove these so-called elite units. Their members often come to believe their own hype – promulgated by the ADF – that they are a type of super soldier.

Every frontline infantry unit should be trained to, and capable of, the same high standards. Of course, there should always be specialist units, but none should be regarded as superior to another.

I have a friend who served in the regular Army in East Timor during the transition period. He attests to the sense of superiority amongst the elite units, and their condescending attitude to the regular infantry.

They walk amongst us…

John H.
John H.
June 5, 2023 7:19 pm

Razeysays:
June 5, 2023 at 7:15 pm
Dunno about you guys, but in engineering I am observing a considerable experience gap between the late boomers, gen X to the millennials. I believe the gen X group of ‘experts’ who had the proper training is relatively small primarily due to Keatings recession and corporations reluctance to invest in training, which means less millennials are trained properly. Now many of the late boomers are retiring taking with them the big share of the experience that was not passed on properly. Engineering in Aus is in a death spiral that will not be fixed by importing even less experienced foreigners. What say you?

I say:
Path dependence.

MatrixTransform
June 5, 2023 7:20 pm

gender reassignment ideology isn’t just media speculation or click bait, but real shit affecting people

thanks
you’re right, it is definitely not a fiction

it’s been a year since I cut that Gordian Knot
and her birthday is in a week
it is weighing on me heavily

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:22 pm

Please be aware that although you may feel confident and psychologically self-assured, not everyone may share those positive attributes.

Anyone who feels this may apply to them should go and find something better to do with their time. Shouldn’t be hard at times.

bons
bons
June 5, 2023 7:24 pm

I know nothing about the Folbigg case, obviously.
What I do know is that when the Marxist Academy of Science, (yep the host of Flannery) calls for a science based criminal justice system, it is time to hug the kids.

Roger
Roger
June 5, 2023 7:24 pm

What the hell does the judge think a defamation case is?

In this instance, a once in a career opportunity for himself to bask in the praise of the chattering classes?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 5, 2023 7:26 pm

Speedbox
Massive respect for you, and especially your daughter. As a kid, and a schoolkid, and a female schoolkid, she was facing the most solidly vicious social pressure when she turned her back upon that Lizard Person.
I hope we can raise the “I don’t care about poverty or exile, I’m not putting up with any more bullsh*t” generation.

Indolent
Indolent
June 5, 2023 7:27 pm
Tom
Tom
June 5, 2023 7:28 pm

They walk amongst us…

Nihilism is very popular this year among people who believe in nothing.

Meritocracy created our civilisation, so it is their enemy.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 5, 2023 7:32 pm

Speaking of the judiciary, how dare that supreme court muppett write to a politician berating him for his opinion.

Indolent
Indolent
June 5, 2023 7:35 pm
Indolent
Indolent
June 5, 2023 7:36 pm
bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 7:37 pm
Black Ball
Black Ball
June 5, 2023 7:37 pm

There’s someone there who is partially autistic and she’s demanded people accept that she identifies as a cat. I’m not making this shit up. The firm plays along with the bullshit.

Kid at the school where my kids go, identifies as a cat. So one of the friends decided on being a horse. All indulged of course. Parents need a slap, nay, slaps and backhands aplenty.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 7:37 pm

Lizzie at 6:43.
And you know all this how?

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 7:37 pm

Just wow, I was outside at the front having a cig, which I’m allowed to do when wifey is away, and a nice, wholesome young dude walks past and stops for a chat. A bit of that has happened in the past week or so since I’ve been outside puffing and meeting some of the neighbours. I’ve met a few neighbours that way recently. 🙂 He wanted to talk for a bit, and we exchanged information about ourselves, like what I do for work. He asked first, and I then replied with the same question. He works in Dan Andrews private office. He asked me what I thought of him, and I answered truthfully that I didn’t like him in the least. He wasn’t taken aback or anything and asked why, which I explained. He remarked that he’s a very fair boss. Funny old world.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 5, 2023 7:38 pm

Meritocracy created our civilisation, so it is their enemy.

look at what they made POTUS- remember too that the old thief was caught lying in 1988 and shamed out of the POTUS race. Not this time.

Indolent
Indolent
June 5, 2023 7:39 pm
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

BRS’s comrades (sic) who testified against him had previously expresses jealousy and disgruntlement.

Bit hard to reconcile this with Hizzona’s statement:

It is inconceivable that they even had a motive to lie.

Hmmm, let’s look at this:

During that battle, Person One’s machine gun stopped working because he’d failed to bring oil to properly lubricate it. He conceded in court it was a mistake: “I should have taken oil with me on the mission.”
Following the mission, Roberts-Smith approached him & told him “[redacted – lots of really hurty words were spake here by Corporal Smith, expressing how displeased he was to go into action only to discover the hard way that his comrade hadn’t bothered to bring gun oil & thus was not providing the promised machine-gun cover.]”.

How did this he-man SAS soldier take being told he’d made one helluva rookie blunder, placing the entire patrol at risk?
Did he own up & resolve to do better?
Was he embarrassed at being so stupid & placing his comrades lives at risk?
Nup, he dobbed BRS in to the brass for calling him names.

Having told comrades of the comment, he was encouraged to report it to his commanders, which he did.
After the complaint was received, Roberts-Smith [displeased at being dobbed in for expressing his displeasure] threatened him again, approaching him in the mess line, standing close and leaning over him. [redeacted – due to lots more really really really hurty words used by Corporal Smith]

How in the heck did Hizzona Bespanko conclude that it was inconceivable that any of those fellers giving evidence had an axe to grind against BRS?

*(quotes from 17th Feb 2022 The Guardian – a publication not known for being pro-BRS)

calli
calli
June 5, 2023 7:43 pm

Speedbox, you have to keep your child from harm. You have done the right thing.

Indolent
Indolent
June 5, 2023 7:44 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Counter Disinformation Unit

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 7:45 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

June 5, 2023 at 6:57 pm

“Keep on acususing me beating up a women.”

Yu cant andle the troooth.

Hoo teh hel do yoo think yoo talkin two?

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 7:46 pm

“Beating up” doesn’t have to be physical, no one here, and certainly not me, has said or implied it is physical. But it can also mean verbal and emotional onslaughts, and Lizzie has endured many, many verbal onslaughts on these pages.

But thankfully Lizzie is stoic and we still have her here. And amen to that!

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:48 pm

Nihilism is very popular this year among people who believe in nothing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HZtTeqbcesw&pp=ygUed2UgYmVsaWV2ZSBpbiBub3RoaW5nIGxlYm93c2tp

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 7:50 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 5, 2023 at 7:46 pm

“Beating up” doesn’t have to be physical,

Oh, is that what the nitwit was driving a?. I couldn’t have imagined the twit was actually curve balling it to claim people were suggesting he physically beat up women. Lord almighty it’s really hard at times.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 5, 2023 7:50 pm

What is the chance of this??

School bus driver dies after horror crash with two camels in central Queensland (Sky, 5 Jun)

A man has died after the school bus he was driving collided with two camels on a rural Queensland road.

The 40-year-old was driving down Emu Park Road, a regional road with no streetlights, on the way to pick up students in the early hours of Monday morning.

He collided with two camels at the junction between Emu Park Rd and Thompson Point Rd which caused the bus to spin out and go down an embankment.

He sustained critical injuries as a result and died at the scene, Queensland Police have confirmed.

The two camels also died as a result of the incident.

The crash was located close to camel farm The Big Camel, and it’s believed the animals escaped through a broken gate along the property’s fence line.

Two camels escape from a camel farm, wander onto a road only to get hit by a busdriver, who dies. What is the probability of that? Ok you can roll snake eyes sometimes, but this poor guy has just done so five times in a row.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 7:50 pm

[redacted – lots of really hurty words were spake here by Corporal Smith, expressing how displeased he was to go into action only to discover the hard way that his comrade hadn’t bothered to bring gun oil & thus was not providing the promised machine-gun cover.]”.

The words “you want kicking in the arze, until your nose bleeds” would tend to suggest themselves.

MatrixTransform
June 5, 2023 7:52 pm

Two camels escape from a camel farm, wander onto a road only to get hit by a busdriver, who dies. What is the probability of that?

mate,
there’s 1000s and 1000s of camels running wild in herds out there
donkeys too

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The words “you want kicking in the arze, until your nose bleeds” would tend to suggest themselves.

Nothing so mild or ambiguous.
There were lots of words rejected by the Cat’s servers.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 7:54 pm

Steve
2 hours ago

The only man who actually entered the tunnel, a slightly-built New Zealander known as Person 35. But Justice Besanko did not accept the evidence of the wiry Kiwi. Instead he accepted the evidence of at least three of Nine’ witnesses

How unusual, the guy who did the hard work and cleared the tunnel was unreliable but the account of events from the 3 “witnesses” who were stood outside the tunnel their statement was accepted as fact.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 7:59 pm

Don’t know about camels. The common law on horses and cows is pretty clear. On a bike you are much safer at the pub after dark.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 8:00 pm
calli
calli
June 5, 2023 8:00 pm

Almost the end of the thread, so I’ll leave this lament here for all the walking wounded. The gravelly voice says it all – life is unfair and cruel sometimes.

The lyrics are some of the best ever written.

Cassie of Sydney
June 5, 2023 8:02 pm

I saw Arthur Moses in a cafe today, he was BRS’s barrister. Moses is quite handsome and rather dashing!

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 8:05 pm

Wally – thanks. Every parent knows the difficulties of raising kids. Mrs Speedbox and I don’t have a secret formula but believe that kids become better adults if they are ‘questioning’. That doesn’t mean rejection of everything that doesn’t fit your initial perception – because there are genuine reasons why some seemingly poor/unusual/silly things are accurate or necessary. Listen to what is being said but ‘things’ are often not as they first seem – there is often something else going on in the background. Challenge the orthodoxy, with respect. Prepare your own thoughts and don’t be swayed by the crowd. Be informed and if you’re certain of your position, then stand up and say why. If you’re wrong, own it, but don’t be scared to set down your opinion. And learn!!

To Cats, this would all seem perfectly obvious and is a creed that most live by. But sadly, it seems to be a diminishing feature of the broader community. The willingness (indifference) to meekly accept the patently ridiculous political and media pronouncements across a vast range of topics is both bewildering and concerning.

Over many years I have seen Cats raise concerns or queries on countless matters long before the MSM or the general public have even woken up (if at all). In my opinion, the Cat is a treasure and offers insights, opinions and resources that are simply unobtainable in many other forums.

Mrs Speedbox and I have merely tried to replicate the Cat’s modus operandi in our kid’s minds.

Dot
Dot
June 5, 2023 8:05 pm

Another teacher followed Miss Speedbox and asked why she left the hall – when she explained she doesn’t agree with what was being said the teacher responded with “your home life must be awful”. WTF!!!

*Yes, Mum didn’t force my brothers to eat puberty blockers, under threat of them being shoved up his arse, like Jazz Jennings…OH, THE HUMANITY!*

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 5, 2023 8:05 pm

Lizzie at 6:43.
And you know all this how?

On a separate post here not the open thread Matrix opened up a lot about his distress at what had happened to his daughter going trans. I really felt for him. I think he had the sort of hard time with a woke ex that I had, and I know from experience how hard it is for the kids as well as for the parent trying to maintain some semblance of normal control while fighting with let-it-all-hang-out leftie lunacy from an ex. There’s an article in the Oz this weekend that shows how parents, mostly the mother in this case, can get done over by the progressives re trans issues when parenting.

You have to have been through something like this to comprehend how it drains you, f’s you over, affects any new relationship or other children, ruins your days and your nights as the teens play up, use drugs, shit on you, and the cops come round or they are injured. That’s how I know. And Matrix, I have your back.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 8:07 pm

And Matrix, I have your back.

Liz, he and others had yours for a while too. Right in the back 🙂

MatrixTransform
June 5, 2023 8:08 pm

today we decided to throw everything and everybody on the pyre in an effort to stay warm against the cruel penetrating cold.

a perverse logic of it’s own; unstoppable, and it drives deep into your soul.

if I had one, a soul that is, I would know what to do next … I wish my wife was here to tell me what to think.

I disturbed the penguins at sunset when I had a puff on my pipe and it’s a sad fact that this last pleasure may not last

although, we did eat the Mexican today and he was definitely spicier than the others

with shriveled balls, yours truly

JC Shackleton

chrisl
chrisl
June 5, 2023 8:09 pm

Something cryptic
Dee Dee that’s a No No
It’s time for you to Go Go
Sorry to trouble you
But no more 3Aw
What a tale of Woe Woe

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 8:09 pm

At the very least, they’re predicable.

The Australian Greens adopts a new party position on Palestine and Israel, saying Israel is practising the “crime of apartheid”.

Greens call for boycott of far-right Israeli leaders
The Australian Greens adopts a new party position on Palestine and Israel, saying Israel is practising the “crime of apartheid”.

Dot
Dot
June 5, 2023 8:11 pm

Hey, dickhead.
A Pardon isn’t a Not Guilty verdict.
The kids are still dead and she’s still guilty.

Hey Mr Bill

A full (free) pardon in NSW doesn’t overturn the conviction but it is an admission by the Crown erred in pursuing the case at all as it was a wrongful conviction. Folbigg got a free pardon.

Do you know who on the other hand is BOTH dead and guilty?

Convicted rapist and would-be child stealer, Ricky Slater.

He’s your hero, champ.

MatrixTransform
June 5, 2023 8:11 pm

And Matrix, I have your back.

well, thanks for saying so.

I’m still dirty on your whole early hominids weren’t good feminists thing,

but I forgive you.

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 8:12 pm

Black Ball says:
June 5, 2023 at 7:37 pm

BB, I see what you did there. Horses…..parents need a slap, nay,……

(nay = neigh)

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 8:13 pm

Trans, is very defective. It’s very defective behavior. He spends his time here trying to annoy people with ridiculous unfunny nonsense.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 8:15 pm

Mrs Speedbox and I have merely tried to replicate the Cat’s modus operandi in our kid’s minds.

But you leave out the Googlery-isms and the lower case home-spun philosophy, right?

Tom
Tom
June 5, 2023 8:16 pm

The Australian Greens adopts a new party position on Palestine and Israel, saying Israel is practising the “crime of apartheid”.

I guess that means the Greens will now oppose the Voice, which is designed to give Aborigines an advantage based on their race.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 8:21 pm

chrislsays:

June 5, 2023 at 8:09 pm

Something cryptic
Dee Dee that’s a No No
It’s time for you to Go Go
Sorry to trouble you
But no more 3Aw
What a tale of Woe Woe

Prima facie, good news.
But let’s see who gets the gig.

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 8:25 pm

Yes, of course. And also that guy who shot his tent in Vietnam. Don’t remember his name (handle) but he and others can be useful as ‘teaching moments’.

Dot
Dot
June 5, 2023 8:26 pm

There’s a good chance up until the late 1980s we ate Great White meat from time to time at the local chippo.

It’s good fare and related to the Porbeagle, which the French call veau de mer.

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 8:28 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 8:29 pm

And also that guy who shot his tent in Vietnam.

“Numbers Bob.” Posted using his service number, by which he could easily be identified, then complained he got crank phone calls…

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 8:32 pm

It’s good fare

How do you know it’s good fare? Have you ever knowingly gobbed some down? Consider the fact that it may have devoured some young surfer only a short while ago.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 8:34 pm

Speedboxsays:

June 5, 2023 at 8:25 pm

Yes, of course. And also that guy who shot his tent in Vietnam. Don’t remember his name (handle) but he and others can be useful as ‘teaching moments’.

He he.
Teaching moments.
I once worked for a boss who was into all those glib motivational posters.
I bought one with a picture of a sinking ship …
MISTAKES.
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 8:34 pm

Aussies on death row granted clemency

Two Australian citizens who faced the death penalty in Vietnam have been granted clemency after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese made representations to his Vietnamese counterpart during his visit.

“There was a substantial breakthrough with the granting of clemency just yesterday for two Australians who had been sentenced to capital punishment. I made representations to the Prime Minister yesterday morning and by yesterday afternoon the President had signed the clemency orders,” the Prime Minister told ABC’s 7.30 program.

“Australia very much welcomes this. Australia has a strong position of opposition to the death penalty and we make representations on behalf of Australian citizens and we are very pleased that Vietnam has agreed to the request and we thank them for it.”

Mr Albanese said his visit to Vietnam had “provided an impetus for this outcome”.
He also said the families of the two citizens had been informed and were “very relieved”. He did not mention their names for ‘privacy reasons’.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 8:35 pm

I kid you not, a family member works for a large financial. There’s someone there who is partially autistic and she’s demanded people accept that she identifies as a cat. I’m not making this shit up. The firm plays along with the bullshit.

Call her Pussy, and talk in Meows. Then reprimand her for failing to understand clear directions given in Meows.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 8:38 pm
Dot
Dot
June 5, 2023 8:41 pm

Consider the fact that it may have devoured some young surfer only a short while ago.

That neither bothers nor thrills me one bit.

He died what he loved doing, being macerated underwater in a predator’s many rows of inch-and-a-half-long teeth.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 8:43 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 5, 2023 at 6:51 pm
I’d give her a dead mouse to play with – see how much of a cat she really is.

Okay.
So, it’d be all good if she responded to your gift by clawing your face off, right?

No, Grandpa Cletus. That would simply prove that she isn’t a real cat.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 8:43 pm

I once worked for a boss who was into all those glib motivational posters.

Way back when, I had a boss who was into similar motivational posters.

I put one on my office wall that said “Lack of planning on your part, does not justify a crisis on my part.”

He made me take it down…

Another boss was a Brit, and a great admirer of Winston Churchill. If you got a memo that began “Pray, let me have by tomorrow morning, , on a single sheet of paper” you dropped EVERYTHING!

132andBush
132andBush
June 5, 2023 8:44 pm

Calli.

but I believe we share a great sorrow*.

Good grief!!
You drink Woodstock!?

I though you were a G&T lady.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 8:47 pm

Did we resolve the Great Question?
Which is the cart and which is the horse?
Culture or morality?
Morality or culture?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 5, 2023 8:47 pm

According to Lehrrmann, once he’d finished, he just walked out the door and went on his way.

According to Higgins, once he’d finished, he just walked out the door and went on his way.

Leaving a naked, leaking woman behind on the Minister’s couch doesn’t exactly sound like a thing you’d do if wracked by mens rea, or wanted to keep your job.

But, not being a Canbra sex machine, I could be wrong.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 8:47 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 5, 2023 at 7:07 pm
As Alimak! says above, there is a highly contested 30-odd minutes after the happy couple pop into the Ministerial suite. Goodness only knows what actually happened:
Lerrhman has told 5 different stories [and counting] about why he was there and none of them involve Higgins.

Mizzz Knickerless has also told multiple stories. The only one that can be confirmed is that she was without knickers that night.

Speedbox
June 5, 2023 8:49 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
June 5, 2023 at 8:29 pm
“Numbers Bob.” Posted using his service number, by which he could easily be identified, then complained he got crank phone calls…

Yeah, that’s the fellow. I used to scroll past most of his posts but remember reading another Cats reply to one of them. Again, I don’t remember who but it was a brutal point-by-point dissection of Bob’s post. Ruthlessly surgical in repudiating every element of the original post.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 8:50 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 5, 2023 at 7:17 pm
Caggisman
2 hours ago
It’s time to remove these so-called elite units. Their members often come to believe their own hype – promulgated by the ADF – that they are a type of super soldier.

Every frontline infantry unit should be trained to, and capable of, the same high standards. Of course, there should always be specialist units, but none should be regarded as superior to another.

I have a friend who served in the regular Army in East Timor during the transition period. He attests to the sense of superiority amongst the elite units, and their condescending attitude to the regular infantry.

They walk amongst us…

IIRC, Field Marshal Slim held a similar view on such units.

132andBush
132andBush
June 5, 2023 8:51 pm

Just doing a catch up.
Hope you make a speedy recovery, Joh.

132andBush
132andBush
June 5, 2023 8:54 pm

Yeah, that’s the fellow. I used to scroll past most of his posts but remember reading another Cats reply to one of them. Again, I don’t remember who but it was a brutal point-by-point dissection of Bob’s post. Ruthlessly surgical in repudiating every element of the original post.

He was Matered.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 8:56 pm

JCsays:

June 5, 2023 at 8:38 pm

Intense sincerity oozes out from this pic.

That one stacks up against the photo of Jon Faine, Louise Milligan and Belinda Wallington (the Pell magistrate).

Dot
Dot
June 5, 2023 8:57 pm

I have a friend who served in the regular Army in East Timor during the transition period. He attests to the sense of superiority amongst the elite units, and their condescending attitude to the regular infantry.

The selection course and reinforcement cycle do set them apart. It’s undeniable.

The SASR and commandos are overused because the regular infantry units are severely undermanned and underequipped.

It was John Howard who treated them as a toy from a Tom Clancy novel.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 8:57 pm

From the “Hun.”

Bruce Lehrmann’s interview with Channel 7 aired on Sunday night, but the most fascinating insights didn’t come from him.

They came from journalist Lisa Wilkinson, the “girl from the western suburbs of Sydney” who’s pulling in $1.7m while not working at Channel 10.

In audio played on the show, Wilkinson tells Brittany Higgins she is fighting for the “inequality that exists out there, whether it’s white privilege, whether it’s male domination, whether it’s, you know, criminal activity that is suppressed”.

Wilkinson had clearly made up her mind that Lehrmann was guilty of rape, way before any court convicted him.

Her comments lay bare her motives: cementing her status as someone fighting for the everyday woman rather than an arrogant millionaire A-lister.

Wilkinson also wanted to lock in Higgins’ tell-all interview for her low-rating show The Project.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Two Australian citizens who faced the death penalty in Vietnam have been granted clemency after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese made representations to his Vietnamese counterpart during his visit.

That’s the Viet-ethnic vote locked in.
Hanoi did their bit to help keep a brother Marxist in power.

Wonder how many special worker visas AnAl offered them, so worker-bee citizens may pick fruit in Australia for hard currency, to send back to the motherland.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 5, 2023 8:58 pm

cohenite at 4.19:

West Coast Coolers and Cold Duck are amateur hour compared to Ben Ean Moselle, a nonpareil leg opener, when only the best would do.

Au contraire.

Tropicana, in the four litre cask in the warmer months, and Stones Green Ginger Wine when frosty.

Guaranteed winners.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 5, 2023 8:59 pm

You don’t need one for all hours, all days. They’re actually affordable, given the cost of uniforms, voluntary and compulsory fees, TAS fees, sports fees, excursions…

Dot, if a tutor doesn’t teach sword fighting, what’s the point of them?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Lisa Wilkinson, the “girl from the western suburbs of Sydney” who’s pulling in $1.7m while not working at Channel 10.

All the more to end up in Lehrmann’s pocket (& the pockets of his lawyers, natch)

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 8:59 pm

During that battle, Person One’s machine gun stopped working because he’d failed to bring oil to properly lubricate it. He conceded in court it was a mistake: “I should have taken oil with me on the mission.”
Following the mission, Roberts-Smith approached him & told him “[redacted – lots of really hurty words were spake here by Corporal Smith, expressing how displeased he was to go into action only to discover the hard way that his comrade hadn’t bothered to bring gun oil & thus was not providing the promised machine-gun cover.]”.

This is one of the incidents tat caused me to suggest a few days ago that the SAS and Commandos would be better off if reduced to sub-unit size and being much more selective in who is accepted into the group. Even a basic recruit trainee would be unlikely to make such an error, much less complain about being reprimanded (in whatever language) for the error.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 5, 2023 9:00 pm

Public Safety Message.
Are YOU driving too fast for the ungulated?
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/school-bus-driver-dies-after-horror-crash-with-two-camels-in-central-queensland/news-story/adaa426f979b166b7d68d766991e70a8
Jeez, talk about a speed hump. The proprietor of the Big Camel will be sweating bullets for liability, though that hardly compensates for these sudden death accidents.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 5, 2023 9:02 pm

JC at 4.55:

In any event, it’s the main job of the parents to put their kids on the right road. It begins at home, and unlike Leadership is intimating that the blame can only be placed on others rather than the parents.

Correct. Once again:

Anything other than taking responsibility for the people your children grow up to be, and during those formative years is nothing less than abject parental failure.

Razey
Razey
June 5, 2023 9:05 pm

Pedo’s not even hiding it anymore, fully approved by the overlords, police, government. How long is this going to on, how bad is this going to get.

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1665451504155738112

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 5, 2023 9:06 pm

Dot at 8.11:

Do you know who on the other hand is BOTH dead and guilty?
Convicted rapist and would-be child stealer, Ricky Slater.
He’s your hero, champ.

Yes.

P.S. Ed.

Bring me your cat.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 9:06 pm

He was Matered.

There were four contributors that used to saw “Numbers” into small pieces. “Jupes” was one, “Mater” was another, “Popular Front ” was a third, and the fourth was “Kev”, who had served in the same battalion, on the same tour of the “fun factory.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 9:07 pm

JCsays:
June 5, 2023 at 8:09 pm
At the very least, they’re predicable.

The Australian Greens adopts a new party position on Palestine and Israel, saying Israel is practising the “crime of apartheid”.

Said at the same time as the Slime are supporting the insertion of apartheid into the Australian Constitution.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 5, 2023 9:09 pm

…Stones Green Ginger Wine when frosty.

Never diss Stones Green Ginger: 50:50 with a twist of orange peel, it makes Johnnie Walker RL drinkable.

bons
bons
June 5, 2023 9:16 pm

For anyone keen on hard nosed complex cop shows in the much lamented Friday night cop show tradition, Blue Lights on SBS is worth a look. A rare gem in the desert of police procedurals and super girl detectives.
Sadly, it is betrayed to some extent by having a happy ending. Oh well, can’t have it all I guess, SBS is after all a Govt subsidised propaganda outlet.
Give it a go.

Razey
Razey
June 5, 2023 9:17 pm

Give it a go.

No.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 5, 2023 9:18 pm

A bit on mention of legovers today.

Cats and Kittehs of a certain age might remember the controversy in the early 1970s, when a wine company put out a range of cask wines under the brand name “Revogel”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 5, 2023 9:21 pm

They came from journalist Lisa Wilkinson, the “girl from the western suburbs of Sydney” …

Hard not be moved by that plight. And that’s even before going to work at Channel 10. Stand by for recovered memories of being molested by the Cash Cow (who’s playing a starring role today).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 5, 2023 9:23 pm

Blue Lights on SBS is worth a look.

Yes.
It gives a decent whiff of Belfast.

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 9:23 pm

Get a load of this one Sanchez.

Imagine what good Ol’Pell was thinking when he saw that angry face behind the bench.

Something like

, Oh Lord, I’m fcuked.

Just imagine.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 5, 2023 9:32 pm

I bought one with a picture of a sinking ship …
“MISTAKES.
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.”

The website is Despair.com.
I’ve got a number of those posters as calenders. Dry, clever and very funny. One I had was a kayaker dropping off a waterfall/rapid heading for a crash. “Believe in yourself, because the rest of us think you’re an idiot.”

Delta A
Delta A
June 5, 2023 9:35 pm

Do you beat up women, bespoke?

Bespoke doesn’t beat up women.

That’s all.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 9:37 pm

The website is Despair.com.

Curse you, Real Deal….

Vagabond
Vagabond
June 5, 2023 9:40 pm

Razey says:
June 5, 2023 at 7:15 pm

Dunno about you guys, but in engineering I am observing a considerable experience gap between the late boomers, gen X to the millennials.

Engineering in Aus is in a death spiral that will not be fixed by importing even less experienced foreigners. What say you?

Dunno about engineering, but I don’t doubt it. That goes for medicine too and probably many other disciplines. Maybe not for O&G and the niche medical and surgical specialties or those dealing with “diseases of the rich” but certainly general practice which will probably disappear in a generation of so. Medicare and the self serving treachery of the RACGP ensured that would happen and the only surprise is that it took so long.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 5, 2023 9:42 pm

The pleasure’s all mine Zulu!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 9:53 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

June 5, 2023 at 9:02 pm

JC at 4.55:

In any event, it’s the main job of the parents to put their kids on the right road. It begins at home, and unlike Leadership is intimating that the blame can only be placed on others rather than the parents.

Correct. Once again:

Anything other than taking responsibility for the people your children grow up to be, and during those formative years is nothing less than abject parental failure.

My point was a little more nuanced.
I don’t lay total blame for the failings of the offspring at the feet of the parents.
But I think it displays a lack of maturity and self-awareness to not consider the possibility that you may be a contributor to what you perceive to be a failing.
I get sick of hearing parents blame addictions, criminal behaviour, lack of work ethic, failure at university or school, whatever on extraneous influences.
Truth is, 93.1% of people hearing these stories are thinking, “Hmmm. The apple don’t fall far …”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 9:57 pm

The pleasure’s all mine Zulu!

Inspirational posters – I had a unit commander, who had this one, on his office wall. Supposedly from the Duke of Wellington, dated August 1812.

Gentlemen,

Whilst marching from Portugal to a position which commands the approach to Madrid and the French forces, my officers have been diligently complying with your requests which have been sent by H.M. ship from London to Lisbon and thence by dispatch to our headquarters.

We have enumerated our saddles, bridles, tents and tent poles, and all manner of sundry items for which His Majesty’s Government holds me accountable. I have dispatched reports on the character, wit, and spleen of every officer. Each item and every farthing has been accounted for, with two regrettable exceptions for which I beg your indulgence.

Unfortunately the sum of one shilling and ninepence remains unaccounted for in one infantry battalion’s petty cash and there has been a hideous confusion as the the number of jars of raspberry jam issued to one cavalry regiment during a sandstorm in western Spain. This reprehensible carelessness may be related to the pressure of circumstance, since we are war with France, a fact which may come as a bit of a surprise to you gentlemen in Whitehall.

This brings me to my present purpose, which is to request elucidation of my instructions from His Majesty’s Government so that I may better understand why I am dragging an army over these barren plains. I construe that perforce it must be one of two alternative duties, as given below. I shall pursue either one with the best of my ability, but I cannot do both:

1. To train an army of uniformed British clerks in Spain for the benefit of the accountants and copy-boys in London or perchance.

2. To see to it that the forces of Napoleon are driven out of Spain.

Your most obedient servant,

Wellington.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 9:57 pm

Real Dealsays:

June 5, 2023 at 9:32 pm

I bought one with a picture of a sinking ship …
“MISTAKES.
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.”
The website is Despair.com

Thanks Real Deal.
They were really quite funny, and a definite reaction to those ra-ra American motivational speaker types.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 10:02 pm

Further to the point about parental accountability for your children.
If you claim you have zero accountability for their perceived failings, what you are really saying is, “I lived in the same house as this young person for 16/18/20 years and nothing of what they have become reflects the values I tried to impart.”
That would be a tragic admission of failure.

John H.
John H.
June 5, 2023 10:05 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

June 5, 2023 at 9:02 pm

JC at 4.55:

In any event, it’s the main job of the parents to put their kids on the right road. It begins at home, and unlike Leadership is intimating that the blame can only be placed on others rather than the parents.

Correct. Once again:

Anything other than taking responsibility for the people your children grow up to be, and during those formative years is nothing less than abject parental failure.

A US nurse upturned the traditional understanding of how we mature. Her argument was that as children enter their teens the peer group can be just as influential as their parents. I don’t know if that argument has held up(it is ~30 years old) but most parents are well aware how a peer group can change a child’s behavior. Tough luck for those parents whose children have limited socialisation opportunities. The most recent striking example of this is the influence of social media flipping the typical trans of MtF to FtM.

There are other issues that can influence a child’s behavior, some of which are completely beyond the control of parents.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 5, 2023 10:05 pm

Popcorn all around the country must be sold out as the story gets better. Latest Janet A article from the Oz.

Five days after Brittany Higgins’ rape-allegations interview aired on The Project she wrote an angry letter to host Lisa ­Wilkinson accusing her of ­putting together a second program based on footage not used in the first, without her knowledge or consent.

Ms Higgins writes that she is “disturbed and disappointed” that after making it clear she did not want another program “you would have gone ahead and put one together anyway”.

In the letter from February 20, 2021, obtained by The Australian, Ms Higgins threatens that if Wilkinson “goes ahead and still airs this material knowing how strongly I am opposed to it, then I will be forced to issue my own media statement (and this email) making clear that I wrote to you and asked you not to do it due to me fragile mental health, but you did it anyway.

“I don’t think that helps either of us.”

On Monday The Australian ­revealed Ms Higgins and Wilkinson war-gamed how to recruit prominent politicians and media figures who could help give ­momentum to their upcoming ­interview on Network 10’s The Project, as the TV host made suggestions to the former Liberal staffer about how to frame her story.

A segment on Seven News Spotlight has aired that shows
Lisa Wilkinson was recorded preparing Brittany Higgins to go public
The more than five-hour ­session, which also involved Ms Higgins’ boyfriend David Sharaz and Wilkinson’s producer Angus Llewellyn, was recorded on ­January 27, 2021, a few days ­before they filmed the interview that was broadcast on February 15 ­revealing Ms Higgins’ claims that she had been raped in Parliament House.

In her letter to Wilkinson after the program aired, Ms Higgins says: “It’s so wonderful; to hear that this story has resonated with the Australian public and I’m personally so heartened by their support.”

However, the friendly tone soon disappears.

“As I discussed earlier in the week with your producer Angus when I declined his approach for a second interview, I do not want to participate in any further media interviews at this stage,” Ms Higgins writes.

“The pressure has been ­impossibly intense and there has already been severe consequences for my family, David and myself.

“While I understand that you do have the contractual rights to my original interview, I was never told at that time that you would air more than one programme detailing my assault.

“I am therefore really disturbed and disappointed that when I told Angus I did not want another interview on this matter, you would have gone ahead and put one together anyway based on footage you filmed for the initial interview but did not use.”

Ms Higgins tells Wilkinson that she is not coping and that any more attention at that point would just exacerbate her stress further.

“You have been very good to deal with to date but I feel used if more material goes to air because again, as I have said repeatedly, I do not want to appear in any further media interviews at this time,” she writes.

“I issued a statement recently about not commenting any further on this matter due to my imminent formal investigation by the AFP. This is set to occur next week and is my primary concern at the present time.”

A week later, after a further exchange between the pair, Ms Higgins writes to Wilkinson again saying that she has only just watched The Project segment, and that “I just couldn’t do it until now.”

Ms Higgins agrees with Wilkinson that “there are more details about the subsequent conversations that may be of merit”.

“As long as you don’t bring (former prime ministerial staffer) Yaron (Finkelstein) back into the piece I’m happy for you to proceed. I just don’t have any proof of his involvement and it became a major stress point with the press gallery over the past two weeks,” she says.

The Australian revealed on Monday that in their pre-interview session Ms Higgins likened Mr Finkelstein to the ruthless House of Cards character played by Kevin Spacey. “I’d liken Yaron to like, Frank Underwood from House of Cards,” she said. “He is like, he’s the PMO fixer. He is that guy.”

In her second letter to Wilkinson, Ms Higgins asks “if you would consider including something about why I came forward that would be wonderful. I’ll leave it in your hands.

“It’s your call if it’s in the public interest now.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 10:08 pm

This one …

Defeat

For every winner there are dozens of losers.
Odds are you’re one of them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 10:13 pm

“As long as you don’t bring (former prime ministerial staffer) Yaron (Finkelstein) back into the piece I’m happy for you to proceed. I just don’t have any proof of his involvement and it became a major stress point with the press gallery over the past two weeks,” she says.

Oh?
Why not?

The Australian revealed on Monday that in their pre-interview session Ms Higgins likened Mr Finkelstein to the ruthless House of Cards character played by Kevin Spacey. “I’d liken Yaron to like, Frank Underwood from House of Cards,” she said. “He is like, he’s the PMO fixer. He is that guy.”

Looks like he fixed it.
As in, whispered in her ear, “You mention my name and I will sue your fat arse off.”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 5, 2023 10:13 pm

That sign at the beginning is spot on.

Veterans get a day, fags and child molesters get a month – why?

———

Mark Dice:

Elon Musk is Sick of LGBT Pride Month

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 5, 2023 10:14 pm

St. Brittany of the guilty conscience.

Arky
June 5, 2023 10:15 pm

Question to veterans.
Why would you put a digger you thought was your worst bloke on the gun before going out on patrol?

bespoke
bespoke
June 5, 2023 10:19 pm

But I think it displays a lack of maturity and self-awareness to not consider the possibility that you may be a contributor to what you perceive to be a failing.

Most live with that fact every day, Sancho. And a few try to make something positive from shitty circumstances.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 10:21 pm

Seems it’s the 105th anniversary of the Battle of Belleau Wood, in 1918. The United States Marine Corps went into the attack.

“Come on, you bastards. Do you want to live forever?”

Beertruk
June 5, 2023 10:24 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha:
June 5, 2023 at 8:43 pm

I put one on my office wall that said “Lack of planning on your part, does not justify a crisis on my part.”

I had that on my wall as well, however I had ’emergency,’ not ‘crisis.’
Army Aviation always operates on ‘crisis management.’

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 5, 2023 10:32 pm

Why would you put a digger you thought was your worst bloke on the gun before going out on patrol?

I’ve got a smashed up back, buggered knees, and a Gold Card, but, in the days of the M60, “The machine gun is the main firepower of the section, and will be kept in action as long as it is possible to do so.”
You wouldn’t put your worst bloke on the gun….

JC
JC
June 5, 2023 10:33 pm

I recall that study, John H. At least I recall reading it in the New Yorker when the magazine was 25% sane around the mid-90s. The central theme you suggest is somewhat correct in that parents (read adults) begin to lose their authority as kids become teenagers. However, the argument was that kids begin to pay more attention to their peer groups—in other words, kids of the same age. That means they begin to cut not only the parents’ apron strings but other adults as well. This would obviously include teachers.

That’s not what some here are suggesting, though. They’re suggesting that “schools” (i.e., teachers) have the capacity to turn kids into raving queers. That’s just unadulterated crap, and anyone suggesting that ought to be laughed off.

Woke had a different name in the 90s, which is partly when my kids went to school. Then it was called political correctness. I recall our boy coming home and laughing about a white teacher telling the class that he was a recovering racist and that, as a way of assuaging his guilt, he decided to live among blacks in Harlem. He told us how the other boys were sniggering about it after class.
Our girl went to an all-girls school. To be honest, we/I witnessed far more PC at the boy’s school than the girl’s. The girl’s school blabbered on about how girls could do anything they wanted if they put their mind to it. That was about it. Perversely, I tend to think girls at all-girls schools are safer than boys at all-boys and also co-ed schools. It’s just my opinion.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 5, 2023 10:39 pm

St. Brittany of the guilty conscience.

Interesting that they were discussing Julie Bishop having no friends, and Britnah and Cane Toad are having a stoush a week later.
At the point Cane Toad said (paraphrasing) “Not trying to put words in your mouth but how do we say Parliament House is full of Liberal Party lechers?” Britnah should have known that she was merely a vehicle for The Bandana Axe-Grinding Machine and would be discarded when the mission was complete (or failed).

Plibbers being grilled on morning TV.
Cane Toad shown to be a cynical manipulator.
Britnah demonstrably a liar about her state of inebriation (which was key to the case against Lehrmann).

A few people are on the back foot.
And Lehrmann isn’t one of them.

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