Open Thread – Weekend 24 June 2023


Burial at Ornans, Gustave Courbet, 1849-50

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Delta A
Delta A
June 26, 2023 11:53 am

Thanks, Roger.

Bookmarked.

johanna
johanna
June 26, 2023 11:53 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
June 26, 2023 at 9:58 am

The kids clamour for Coke all the time.

Seen that at the local roadhouse, on many occasions. Mum, sending the children off to school with “breakfast” – a bottle of Coke, and a bag of chips.

Which will keep their stomachs from rumbling and their blood sugar up for an hour at most. Then they will be both hungry and cranky. Their teachers will have a lot to put up with.

I have seen this also on TV in the US, notably among poor blacks. Soft drinks at breakfast, and sugary carbs like Froot Loops with perhaps a splash of milk.

That is why both in the US and here schools and charities lay on proper breakfasts for schoolkids in certain demographics. Better for both the kids and their long suffering teachers.

It’s all very well, but does nothing to prevent the causes, which are parents (usually single mothers) who either don’t know or don’t care about proper childhood nutrition.

When I think about my childhood breakfasts – porridge in winter, a boiled egg with soldiers in summer, with a glass of milk or fruit juice – I thank my lucky stars for being born into a family that knew how children should be fed. Those poor kids being fed coke and crisps for breakfast are already behind the eight ball in terms of their overall health, and their ability to concentrate and learn at school.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 11:55 am

What if a kid chooses to identify as an animal that lashes out at humans? What if such a animal-child, for example, kicks or bites another kid?

rosie
rosie
June 26, 2023 11:56 am

Have to laugh at Albow’s cynical reliance on ‘faith groups’.
One day the Catholic Church can get knotted (Calvary Hospital) the next he expects pastoral letters exhorting the faithful to vote yes.
My parish priest won’t be preaching that homily.
I expect anyone who’s had boots on the ground knows a new bunch of bureaucratic coconuts won’t make a single omega fatty acid of difference to aboriginal disadvantage.

Crossie
Crossie
June 26, 2023 11:57 am

Roger says:
June 26, 2023 at 11:02 am
A Scottish Government spokesman said: ‘Schools should be a safe, supportive environment for all pupils, regardless of gender, where everyone’s rights are respected. All local authority guidance to schools should reflect this.’

So children now have a “right” to identify as animals.

Since when is identifying as an animal a gender identity? It’s lunacy, plain and simple. It could also be kids playing the stupid adults to see how far they can go which means the kids are actually smarter than the entire educational establishment.

Crossie
Crossie
June 26, 2023 11:59 am

Big_Nambas says:
June 26, 2023 at 11:07 am
BWAHAHAHAHA who could have guessed?………………..oh wait.

It’s a bloodbath in the wind industry.

Despite the wind being free, collecting it appears to cost a fortune. Siemens Energy lost a third of its stock price on Friday. Just like that, seven billion dollars in market value disappeared.

I would like to rejoice at the stupid people losing money but then again so many innocent people will also be hurt due to super funds investing in these boondoggles.

rosie
rosie
June 26, 2023 12:02 pm

Aboriginal children that attend school in remote communities get proper breakfast, morning tea and lunch.
Trouble is too many don’t.
I liked the sign at the pool in Peak Hill by the way.
‘No School, No Pool’.
Some might call handing your children a bag of chips for the day laziness.
Incidentally I think various health entities run dozens if not hundreds of programs aimed at various Aboriginal predominant health issues.
I watched one not long ago about rheumatic fever in young children. It was aimed at the children themselves.
Even with free clinics it’s obviously too much bother for some parents?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 12:03 pm

So what if a kid identifies as a fox, if it gets him outta taking baths?

Identifying as a Polar Bear, yeah, could be problems there.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 12:07 pm

Aboriginal children that attend school in remote communities get proper breakfast, morning tea and lunch.

Aboriginal children in some country towns get proper breakfasts, morning tea and lunch. They are issued school uniforms for the day, which have to be handed back before they go home……

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 12:12 pm

RosieWorld:
Magical place where the Catholic Priests are no more likely to be into Pederasty than the non priestly blokes, where it’s perfectly safe to sign your son up to Boy Scouts and Junior Rugby League, where all the Vaccines are 100% safe, and where Jesus Himself wants you to have another operation.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 12:14 pm

Daily Mail. Yes, I would volunteer for the firing party..

The terrifying inside story of how an innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding ‘paedophile hunters’ – after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters

Bradley Lyons’ final hours alive were caught on CCTV
Mr Lyons was tortured and murdered by Albert Thorn
Thorn had been the leader of vigilante gang
Mr Lyons was falsely accused of being a paedophile
Thorn’s co-accused were found not guilty of murder

By Wayne Flower, Melbourne Correspondent

Published: 09:43 AEST, 26 June 2023 | Updated: 11:50 AEST, 26 June 2023

A ruthless gang of meth-fuelled vigilantes menaced their victim with a chainsaw while trying to force a confession out of him for crimes he did not commit.

Father-of-eight Bradley ‘BJ’ Lyons was tortured and executed after being betrayed by his meth-addled wife Jana Hooper, who falsely accused him of sexually assaulting her daughters.

rickw
rickw
June 26, 2023 12:16 pm

Thanks to Hunter Biden and his crack addiction the family finally got caught.

Perfect!

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 12:16 pm

There are problems with vaccines, no doubt.
But indiscriminately throwing every suicide, cancer death and fall off a ladder onto the body count pile is counter-productive to making a sound argument.
….

Unless you have a reference, that’s still straw-manning 😉

Roger
Roger
June 26, 2023 12:18 pm

Too harsh pinning this all on Biden, Roger.

Exactly!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 12:18 pm

Heres an article which is a masterclass in shooting itself in the foot, and effectively showing whats being denied.

Its on on how facebook notzis* might cripple the in-voice if they keep pointing out a certain group seems overrepresented in crime, and the justice system appears to be largely ineffective in stopping them.
A prime example is the truck stop bashing story.

Voice vote could be swayed by keyboard warriors stirring racism, inciting vigilantes, say academics

Im going to chop it around a bit because of the self owns inherent in the story…

On a community Facebook page for residents of a town in Western Australia’s Pilbara region, a member posts an account of alleged incidents at a local shopping mall.
They detail an assault on a worker, property damage, theft and general concerns for community safety.
It’s typical of many posts you come across when scrolling community Facebook pages and online forums, especially in regional towns across the country.
The post attracts a range of comments — from the sharing of stories of similar incidents and appeals for improved security, to calls for retribution.
But then the posts take a leap in another direction, joining dots where there aren’t any.

Comments start appearing opposing the Indigenous Voice to Parliament.
“Get used to it, as this will be nothing once albanese yes vote is passed into the constitution,” one says.
“Vote no for shaw” says another. “Vote NO!” adds a third.

In a different Facebook community group for another town, thousands of kilometres away, a user posts photos of a car that has had its windows smashed while parked in a shopping centre car park.

Among the comments it attracts is this one, clearly referring to the town’s Indigenous residents: “And yet some think they need a ‘Voice’ ?”

Those towns, they arent pure and good like us city people…

“If you speak to them, any non-Aboriginal person in Australia, a lot of them have never met an Aboriginal person in their life, let alone spoken to one,” she says.

“Bridging that communication gap is a big issue and that is a tiny start to a road worthy of travelling.”

And funnily enough it seems to be the areas where people have the most experience of the thriving 80,000 year old culture that have the crime problem and link it to a problem with the criminality of 451s.

This is awesome, who to believe, a perfesser or your own lying eyes.
For Cheryl Kickett-Tucker, a Whadjuk Noongar Aboriginal woman and research fellow at Curtin University, who works closely with young Indigenous children, comments like these are deeply worrying.

Making that link from ‘a’ to ‘b’ equals ‘c’ — that’s really concerning,” Professor Kickett-Tucker says.

Im not saying people are filthy scumbag racists for pointing out Aboriginals are disproportionately comiting crimes, but they are filthy scumbag racists (Notzis)

In recent years, in regional towns across Australia, community social media groups, particularly on Facebook, have become an unfiltered venting ground.
It’s clear there is a palpable level of anger and frustration over rising levels of crime, and you don’t have to look far to see multiple posts calling for action.
They often include still photographs or videos, captured from CCTV footage, of alleged offenders, and the comments they attract regularly call for violent retribution or vigilante action.
Professor Cunneen says while many of these posts on regional social media forums may ostensibly be about crime, he believes there’s more going on.
A balding man** looks at the camera.
Chris Cunneen says social media discussions about crime can quickly become forums for racism.
One of the disappointing things is that while it’s tied closely to crime, it’s not just about crime … it’s about racism,” he says.
“These attacks are not on all young people, they are on Aboriginal young people.”***
Professor Cunneen says not all members of these social media groups are racist, but some of the comments these posts attract serve to legitimise racist beliefs.

She says more emphasis needs to be put into preventing crime and addressing the needs of young Indigenous kids.
“They [Indigenous youth] are being described in ways that it’s like a self-fulfilling prophecy, because the sweet stories of goodness and positivity and strength aren’t there,” Professor Kickett-Tucker says.
****

Its an awful piece.
On the one hand the people who hold the correct opinions have little exposure to the Aboriginal underclass (as shit as the white underclass, but greater % of them) and instead have been fed sTan grant as Authentic.*****
On the other hand the refusal of consecutive governments/lawmakers to deter criminality (and it can be argued the school system is making it worse by teaching victimhood) is seeing more Aboriginal kids think being a reprobate criminal turd is “authentic Aboriginality”.

*Notzis: Like nazis, but they just hold opinions I dont like
** flog
*** Youths!
**** Need more money for dem programs!
***** Source for claim.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 26, 2023 12:20 pm

The community I was in had a free pickup service for school, which brought the kids home again in the afternoon.

And yes, breakfast and lunch were part of the normal routine.

Even so, in the last 50 years educational achievement standards have steadily declined. The mission has largely disappeared and the government took over the school.

Roger
Roger
June 26, 2023 12:20 pm

Have to laugh at Albow’s cynical reliance on ‘faith groups’.
One day the Catholic Church can get knotted (Calvary Hospital) the next he expects pastoral letters exhorting the faithful to vote yes.

Am I too cynical believing the bishops will happily comply?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 12:20 pm

GreyRangasays:

June 26, 2023 at 11:53 am

I can assure you Thancho there were no holes in the floor.

Oh, it will be there.
Look for a loose tile.
Cunning little sub-continentals.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 12:28 pm

I think you might be missing a fairly major point there.
How much of your gross income before you returned some in tax was actually tax-payer funded?

As Crowder would say, it seems we have found some common ground.

You are 100% correct that a significant % of my income was publicly funded (I did do some private hospital work). My point is that I didnt have a choice and neither did my patients:

If I wanted to do aeromedical retrieval, I *had* to do it in the public system because the ever expanding government had crowded out any possibility of me or my patients opting out of the cost and ‘going private’ when they needed it. There is essentially no private Aeromedical system* because the govt controls health funding so thoroughly that its not viable (excepting the miniscule fraction of niche long range jobs done by the public providers using charity funds – say to rescue someone in Bali)

I could argue than any money spent on glorified camping trips to Afghanistan or Iraq was a complete waste of my taxes.

Being an Airforce Officer, I didn’t do a lot of camping, but you are 100% correct, those 2 jaunts were enormously expensive government projects that achieved nothing – did you get a choice as to whether you were an investor?

Why should I pay to airlift a drunk driver to hospital after an altercation with a gum tree? Just his poor lifestyle choices.

Agree 100%, welcome aboard.

*try even getting a private emergency road ambulance, they dont exist in this country

johanna
johanna
June 26, 2023 12:31 pm

I notice that TheirABC has run fawning stories in the last couple of days about the deaths of two Labor identities – some hack in Victoria and Simon Crean. BTW, whatever his politics, by all accounts he was a nice bloke.

Anyway, one must conclude that ex politicians on the conservative side live forever, as one never reads about their demise at the national broad(ha!)caster. 🙂

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 26, 2023 12:33 pm

Daily Telegraph with Samantha Maiden:

Australians are poised to vote “No” to constitutional change, according to a new poll that suggests Anthony Albanese risks a failed referendum on the voice.

A bombshell new poll suggests that support for the “No” case is growing and has now overtaken support for an Indigenous voice to parliament.

The new Newspoll, conducted for The Australian newspaper, shows that the Yes vote is failing the test of securing 50 per cent of the national vote and majorities in a majority of states.

Male voters and Queenslanders are the biggest barriers to referendum success, while women and younger voters are the biggest supporters of change.

Speaking on The Today Show, Mr Albanese was asked, “Are you worried?.”

“Look, we’ll be out there putting the case,’’ Mr Albanese said.

“It’s hard to win a referendum in Australia. They’ve only been eight referendums passed out of 48, something like that.

“But we’ll continue to put the case for yes. And I’m very, very confident that as people mobilise when the campaign is actually on.You will have the union movement, sporting codes, every one of which have supported the constitutional change. You’ll have faith groups all out there arguing for a yes vote in this referendum, saying If not now, when? We need to get this done.

“It will be a moment of national unity and after it’s done, people will wonder why it wasn’t done earlier.”

Labor frontbencher Linda Burney has declared she isn’t looking at polling but is putting her faith in voters.

“This is our one shot in the locker,” she said. “It’s about listening, and it’s about recognising. Do not be fooled by naysayers … it will make us a nation we can all be proud of.”

But if a vote were held this weekend, Newpoll suggests that the Yes case would fail.

The actual date for the referendum has not yet been chosen but must be held between October and December after the enabling legislation passed Parliament.

There’s some speculation Australians will vote on October 17.

The Prime Minister has repeatedly said that it’s now in the hands of voters.

“Australians will make up their own mind. And I encourage Australians to have a look at the wording that’s put forward, to talk with First Nations people as well,” Mr Albanese said.

“This is a very simple proposition, it’s to recognise Indigenous Australians in our Constitution, in our founding document, and it’s time that we did that. And I believe most Australians will accept that.

“It’s not a complex proposition, it doesn’t change any of the way that we are governed, it just provides for the opportunity for Indigenous people to have a say in matters that affect them.”

Men are more likely to oppose change than women according to the Newspoll and Queenslanders are the most likely to vote “No”.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are currently majority “No” states despite the strong advocacy of the SA Premier for the change.

Victoria and NSW – the two largest states in the nation – are likely to deliver majorities for the “Yes” case based on an aggregated Newspoll of 3852 over May 31 and June 24.

According to Newspoll, the biggest drop in support came from 35 to 49-year-old voters, with a seven-point fall among those who support it – from 53 per cent to 44 per cent.

Men are also less likely to support the “Yes” vote with support falling from 45 per cent a month ago to just 38 per cent.

“Yes” voters are typically those aged between 18 to 34 and university educated.

Women are also more likely to vote “Yes” but even among females support ­remains below 50 per cent.

Newspoll finds that the “Yes” vote has fallen three points to just 43 per cent.

During the same period, the “No” vote rose four points to 47 per cent, the first time that more people are ­opposed to the Voice than those who support it.

Four of the six states now have more “No” voters than “Yes” vote supporters.

Victorians are the biggest supporters of the Yes case with 48 per cent in favour and 41 per cent opposed.

NSW voters are split 46-41 per cent in support of the voice but there’s a big group – 13 per cent – that are still undecided.

Queenslanders are the least likely to vote Yes in the nation. The No voters number an estimated 54 per cent while only 40 per cent are in favour.

Peter Dutton has called on Mr Albanese to call off the referendum if it looks likely to fail.

“I think the uncertainty and the danger that the Prime Minister is setting our country up for and the division that he’s creating is quite remarkable,” Mr Dutton said last week.

The clock is now ticking on a referendum as it has to be held within six months of the enabling legislation passing Parliament.

“Now that that process is over, it’s now over to the Australian people,” Mr Albanese said.

“This is a change that’s from the bottom up. It is a change that Indigenous Australians have advocated for when they met at Uluru in 2017.

“And if not now – when? We need to recognise First Nations people in our Constitution. We should be proud of sharing this continent with the oldest continuous culture on earth, and we know that when we listen to people who are directly affected, we’ll get better outcomes. And that is what this is about.”

Roger
Roger
June 26, 2023 12:37 pm

The ABC’s digital future is here:

Nakkiah Lui explores politics of food in new podcast

Have you ever wondered how different your weekday dinners might be if they included more native ingredients?

First Eat is a new podcast exploring food, politics and power and a decolonised palette, host and Gamillaroi and Torres Strait Islander woman Nakkiah Lui joined RN Breakfast to discuss.

Guest:Nakkiah Lui, host, writer, actor and director

Producer:

Madeleine Grummet’

Memo to Madeleine, the word you’re looking for is “palate.”

The burning question is, what is the place of coke and chips in a decolonised palate?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 12:39 pm

Nothing sys “grass roots” like $35 million of munni, tax deductable status, and publicly funding astroturf “functions”..

AICR has been established as a charity with deductible gift status to allow it to receive donations to help drive and administer the yes campaign, and has a war chest worth more than $35m.

The AICR’s Yes23 campaign hopes to enlist 10,000 volunteers in over 100 active community supporter groups nationwide, with a new funding program to encourage grassroots groups to hold public events and forums as the referendum campaign kicks into its next gear.

….
The yes campaign for the referendum will offer grants of up to $15,000 for a blitz of community functions supporting the Indigenous voice to parliament, in a bid to support thousands of events nationwide backing the change.

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 12:43 pm

So, of the 41,029 in the December quarter 2022, 13,197 were indigens.

Obviously the cops are racist.

rickw
rickw
June 26, 2023 12:44 pm

Prigozhin’s rebellion – particularly that some 3/4 of Wagner refused to participate

I always wondered about the motive of Prigozhin’s grunts, what was the end game for them besides getting killed at some point in time? No exile to Belarus or dacha for them.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 26, 2023 12:46 pm

The HighWire with Del Bigtree:

Robert F Kennedy, Jr., joins Del to address the Twitter-storm that erupted this week after his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience. Rogan asked Dr. Peter Hotez to debate RFK Jr., pledging $100,000 to the charity of Hotez’s choosing. This came after Hotez put out a tweet saying he was upset with Kennedy being allowed on Rogan’s show. Others joined the charity pledge, and now more than $2.6 million is on the line. RFK Jr. explains why he thinks Hotez will never debate him.

RFK JR. ON PETER HOTEZ: ‘I DON’T THINK HE’D SURVIVE A DEBATE’

Crossie
Crossie
June 26, 2023 12:50 pm

Top Ender says:
June 26, 2023 at 12:20 pm
The community I was in had a free pickup service for school, which brought the kids home again in the afternoon.

And yes, breakfast and lunch were part of the normal routine.

Is all of this provided by indigenous or non-indigenous social workers?

This also reminded me of an ad being run on TV showing indigenous mothers complaining that they would like to work but that there are no child care facilities in their communities. My first thought was that this would be a good business to start for themselves, with federal funds. Some mothers would work in the child care centres while others are then free to work elsewhere and everyone is gainfully employed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 12:51 pm

Let’s talk about the Butchulla, native to Fraser Island:

When Cook sailed past Indian Head in 1770, Joseph Banks counted 3,000
warriors looking at him.
Now there are no Butchulla on Fraser Island, it’s a Wildlife Refuge for the scientific study of Dingos.
Conclusion:
Dingos are more important in Labor Party World than the native Aborigines.

johanna
johanna
June 26, 2023 12:54 pm

Despite the wind being free, collecting it appears to cost a fortune.

This is one of the lies that conservatives have let through to the keeper for years.

Coal and oil are free, too. They are just lying there in the ground.

It is the getting them to produce power that costs money. The question is, how much does it cost for one against the other for a specific purpose?

The whole ‘solar and wind are essentially free power’ nonsense needs to be jumped on, hard and often.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 12:58 pm

My first thought was that this would be a good business to start for themselves, with federal funds. Some mothers would work in the child care centres while others are then free to work elsewhere and everyone is gainfully employed.

Warren Entsch’s wife spent 2 years teaching pottery and ceramics to a remote Qld Aboriginal Community on a $200,000 Federal Grant.
Now Entsch is being investigated for corruption.
Moral of the story:
Federal Grants are for wasting money only.
Try doing some good, they’ll come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Crossie
Crossie
June 26, 2023 12:58 pm

johanna says:
June 26, 2023 at 12:31 pm
I notice that TheirABC has run fawning stories in the last couple of days about the deaths of two Labor identities – some hack in Victoria and Simon Crean. BTW, whatever his politics, by all accounts he was a nice bloke.

That explains why he never got to be a PM, only snakes like Albo slither to the top of the tree.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 12:58 pm

When I think about my childhood breakfasts – porridge in winter, a boiled egg with soldiers in summer, with a glass of milk or fruit juice – I thank my lucky stars for being born into a family that knew how children should be fed. Those poor kids being fed coke and crisps for breakfast are already behind the eight ball in terms of their overall health

Why have breakfast at all? Our hunter-gatherer ancestors didn’t get up in the morning and go to the fridge, there wasnt one. They went to work on an empty stomach, hunted all day, and if lucky, brought home something which was cooked over a fire that night. If they caught nothing, they went to be with an empty stomach. This pattern repeated until they caught something, meaning our metabolism has a heritage of fasting most of the day, or even for a number of days.

Even before I went carnivore I was *never* hungry in the morning, but forced down some ‘health cereal’ because that is what were were taught to do. Trouble is, that cereal is a carbohydrate and gets rapidly turned to sugar in your bloodstream. This triggers and insulin rise which lowers it again, triggering hunger. This (abnormal) cycle repeats every few hours all day, meaning you eat breakfast, snack mid morning, lunch, afternoon snack, dinner etc etc.

This produces a series of hunger crashes which are satiated by carbs, producing multiple daily insulin spikes.

This is NOT the way our metabolism evolved and is a major source of the exploding metabolic ill health we see.

Since I went carnivore, I eat no breakfast, no lunch and only a decent red meat meal in the evening. I am never hungry (which doesnt mean a steak isnt pleasurable) and thus never looking for a chocolate or a biscuit or a cake. I regularly do 3 day water fasts without hunger, and did a 6 day fast in jail, again without hunger.

I would urge all to consider a month of ‘carnivore’ as above so you can judge for yourself whether an ancestrally appropriate diet makes you feel better than the ‘approved’ feedlot regime of regular carbs and grains.

Tom
Tom
June 26, 2023 12:58 pm

“Yes” voters are typically those aged between 18 to 34 and university educated.

There’s your problem right there.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 12:58 pm

Despite the wind being free, collecting it appears to cost a fortune.

They insisted on calling it free energy.

Of course, coal and gas are also free – getting it is also where it costs money.

Roger
Roger
June 26, 2023 1:03 pm

My first thought was that this would be a good business to start for themselves, with federal funds.

Child care is a regulation heavy business.

No disrespect to the ladies concerned, but would they have the requisite set of skills to run such a business?

In which case, it’s yet another example of how living in remote communities limits the choices available to indigenous people.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

…understand that a grown man can shake his balls around in front of a group of children while

Were I to do that in the street, or anywhere in public in my town, I’d be;
a) arrested, firmly
b) charged
c) found guilty
d) sentenced, possibly avoiding doing actual prison time
e) public humiliation as a “pervert” & socially I’d be on a par with kiddy fiddlers

I’m struggling to process that the above steps do not apply equally, everywhere in the anglosphere.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 1:05 pm

. BTW, whatever his politics, by all accounts he was a nice bloke.

Simon was the first to adopt the Fake Ocker accent for public consumption.

He was a complete dud as Leader, the only Labor Leader never to take them to an Election.
It’s a shame he died, but Covid Vaccination is a proxy IQ Test, and Simon failed.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 1:07 pm

Given the chap blew his own head off with a shotgun, mightn’t the words “trigger warning” need a trigger warning??

Ernest Hemingway masterpiece given trigger warning by publisher

The hard-drinking Hemingway, who lived from 1899 until his suicide in 1961, became known as one of the “Lost Generation” writers in 1920s Paris, and his works draw from his experiences hunting in Africa, covering the Spanish Civil War and fishing in Key West.

Vintage has not confirmed whether further new editions of Hemingway’s writings, a body of work which includes For Whom the Bell Tolls and the Nobel-commended The Old Man and the Sea, will be marked with a blanket trigger warning for including the “attitudes of their time”.

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The practice of publishers printing trigger warnings in novels they believe may be potentially offensive or upsetting is a new one, which has been recently been applied by Penguin to the world of PG Wodehouse, whose comic novels have also been edited.

The Telegraph recently revealed that Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels had also been edited to remove potentially offensive passages, by Fleming Publications Ltd, and that the mysteries of Agatha Christie had been purged of potentially upsetting passages by Harper Collins.

Figures
Figures
June 26, 2023 1:07 pm

2) Reductio ad absurdum (taking the general principle of your opponents argument, and taking it to the extreme, as if that is their argument).

Reductio ad absurdum is usually a perfectly valid argument. It’s only wrong if you misrepresent the central premise of your opponent’s argument or if their central premise has a reasonable and identifiable limit.

The central premise of anti-vaxers like me is that the same criteria should be applied to vaccine death/injury causation as was applied to virus injury causation. Not because the latter is correct (there is, after all, no virus) but because it’s perfectly valid to use your opponent’s own logic against them.

Now, if the same criteria is applied – ie that if you have the “virus” and you die then you must have died because of the virus – then, ipso facto, every single vaccinated person who dies, must have died of the vaccine.

We will continue to use this argument until such time as the rosie’s of this world admit just how brainwashed they are.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 1:08 pm

I exclude the tiny minority who actually ventured outside the wire and put themselves at risk. I am talking about the long tail of shiny arses collecting deployment allowances and per diems to “support” the 0.5% actually fighting.

Spoken like someone who has no idea how the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan operated. Whilst raiding and patrolling were undeniably the most risky pursuits, nowhere in country was safe.

Even if you remained behind the wire (I didnt), the red team chucked rockets and mortars over said wire on a daily basis. In Iraq, we worked in a fabric tent ICU, not a bunker. We had rockets and mortars lobbed at us daily, and I personally had one land close enough to make my ears ring (fortunately on the other side of the concrete T barrier).

Whilst I readily admit I now question the value of what any of us did in Iraq and Afghanistan (at the time, I viewed it as patriotic service and a rare opportunity to learn by doing high end, high volume trauma medicine), can I ask whether you really thing 99.5% of those who served were merely collecting our coin in complete comfort and safety – or is that another straw man?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 1:13 pm

Australians are poised to vote “No” to constitutional change, according to a new poll that suggests Anthony Albanese risks a failed referendum on the voice.

They only embarked upon this because they thought they knew the outcome. IF they are really heading to defeat, they will ‘delay’ the vote in order to allow ‘the Australian people’ to have a ‘more thorough conversation’ about the issue – then they will ram it through via administrative fiat instead.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 1:13 pm

Ed swings….

Let’s talk about the Butchulla, native to Fraser Island:

When Cook sailed past Indian Head in 1770, Joseph Banks counted 3,000
warriors looking at him.
Now there are no Butchulla on Fraser Island, it’s a Wildlife Refuge for the scientific study of Dingos.

And misses.
https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/95397

As usual.

Dot
Dot
June 26, 2023 1:14 pm

I identify as a proud Yautjan man.

This neon green bioluminescent blood boils at the thought of the xenomorph administrators in your education system.

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 1:16 pm

N. Korea warns Korean Peninsula close to ‘brink of nuclear war’

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2023/06/103_353642.html

Seems someone is suffering relevance deprivation syndrome…

Dot
Dot
June 26, 2023 1:17 pm

Duk

Don’t be ashamed of your service.

Drs should be ashamed of Medicare!

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 1:18 pm

Whilst I readily admit I now question the value of what any of us did in Iraq and Afghanistan (at the time, I viewed it as patriotic service and a rare opportunity to learn by doing high end, high volume trauma medicine), can I ask whether you really thing 99.5% of those who served were merely collecting our coin in complete comfort and safety – or is that another straw man?

In view of the distasteful sarcasm directed indiscriminately (initially) against you and defence forces sent to that hellhole of a country, you have been very restrained, Duk. I doubt if anyone takes seriously attempted belittlement of defence forces or volunteer medical assistance in dangerous circumstances.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 1:19 pm

The central premise of anti-vaxers like me is that the same criteria should be applied to vaccine death/injury causation as was applied to virus injury causation. Not because the latter is correct (there is, after all, no virus) but because it’s perfectly valid to use your opponent’s own logic against them.

Quite …. a combination of Alinsky’s rules (hold your opponents to their own standards, not yours) and Lincoln’s ‘the best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly’.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 26, 2023 1:23 pm

Customers of one of the nation’s major banks have been left in the lurch after a major outage left them unable to access their money.

Commonwealth Bank sent out a message to their customers on Monday morning informing them of a time out issue with their app and Netbank services. “We’re aware some customers are experiencing difficulties accessing some of our services and we are urgently investigating,” the bank said in a statement shared on its social media accounts.

It’s Happening!

Faulty! I take it all back!

Where’s my iodine?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 1:36 pm

This is correct. It’s the argumentative version of a pressure test and the strongest version of a slippery slope style argument.

Agreed, but its application has to be selective. Reductio ad absurdum can only be used to test an assertion that was actually made (that ALL sudden deaths are caused by the vax), it cannot disprove the argument that ‘the rise in sudden deaths is correlated to the vax campaigns’.

You cannot prove that smoking is not correlated with lung cancer by finding either one smoker who did not get lung cancer, or one non smoker who did.

johanna
johanna
June 26, 2023 1:36 pm

Duk, children who are about to go to school are not like the children of hunter/gatherers.

Like you, I am not much interested in food first thing in the morning. But by late morning, I am definitely hungry. Then again, I’m an adult, I don’t have to go to school and try to concentrate from 9 am onwards.

Generally speaking, I don’t agree that a subsistence dietary pattern is optimal for children, and the life expectancy statistics support this.

The content varies from place to place in the world, but I’m pretty confident that all civilisations have given their children breakfast, because they are not adults and tend to be hungry when they wake up in the morning.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 26, 2023 1:38 pm

Cash!

I’ve read some comments with these clips stipulating Cash could be stolen when Stevo hands the over the leash to someone. BS! He’ll drag you down the street on your face. He’s been clocked at 35 mph.

Obviously, children are excluded and wouldn’t try.. The dog always keeps an eye on his owner.

—–

woof bark growl:

Cash 2.0 Great Dane at The Grove and Farmers Market in Los Angeles 48

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 1:41 pm

Feds dressed as masked Nazis try to infiltrate rally in the U.S.
[YouTube]

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Customers of one of the nation’s major banks have been left in the lurch after a major outage left them unable to access their money.

Total mystery how there could be any possible need for cheques/cash.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 1:45 pm

Generally speaking, I don’t agree that a subsistence dietary pattern is optimal for children, and the life expectancy statistics support this.

There are Life Expectancy stats for pre contact Aborigines?
Go on?

Cassie of Sydney
June 26, 2023 1:49 pm

I think children, particularly before they go to school, need to have breakfast. And I suspect that the children of our hunter-gatherer ancestors probably got fed in the morning, before the adults.

As Johanna wrote earlier, we were given porridge in winter, and in summer we had eggs and toast. My mother never particularly approved of those cardboard cereals so we didn’t have them at home. We always thought we were deprived so, when we went on school excursions and there were cereals like Fruit Loops and Cocoa Pops on the table, we’d make a beeline for them.

Cassie of Sydney
June 26, 2023 1:52 pm

“johannasays:
June 26, 2023 at 1:36 pm”

Snap Johanna.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 1:54 pm

I see Johanna beat me to the point regarding how coal and oil are free.

*doffs cap* I cede way.

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 1:55 pm

The danger is that now, with more confidence, the West pushes harder against Russia….

I see Elbow’s just announced another $118,000,000 today…

johanna
johanna
June 26, 2023 1:59 pm

Indigenous traditional owners across 20,000 square kilometres of the Northern Territory are joining together to create a massive map of the Roper River region to raise their concerns it could be threatened by cotton and gas developments.
Key points:

The map outlines the cultural connection between fresh water and songlines
Traditional owners plan to present it to the federal government
The NT government says its plans to allocate water for cotton, gas and new mines are sustainable

They are accusing the NT government of planning to give out too much water to develop these new industries.

The groups plan to present the map to federal ministers in Canberra later this year to ask them to ensure their important water and dreaming sites are not damaged.

“We’ve got so many important springs to protect,” Alawa traditional owner Naomi Wilfred said about her country near Minyerri.

“We made that map to visit Canberra and to show Canberra about the water connection.”

When will someone call and end to this madness? A few Aborigines just have to declare that a whole river system is ‘sacred’ and that’s all she wrote, folks.

Oh, link
.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 2:03 pm

“Yes” voters are typically those aged between 18 to 34 and university educated.

There’s your problem right there.

Note that the word ‘educated’ has finally been turned to have the opposite meaning.

Like ‘tolerance’ which now means to hunt down people with different opinions, ‘racism’ which means not dividing people into racial groups where some are more deserving than others, and ‘free speech’ now meaning that you are free (completely free) to say only approved things.

Education now means having internalised prepared propositions that only a malicious ignorant person would even dream of trying to examine for validity – in fact, that is how you can identify these wicked stupid people.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 26, 2023 2:03 pm

If wind towers and solar panels worked, why would China be buying coal?

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 26, 2023 2:04 pm

It’s not about sacred sites it’s Marx

Dot
Dot
June 26, 2023 2:06 pm

How do you bank cheques when they can’t be processed?

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 2:12 pm

I see the RAAF doing flying drills in and above the CBD today…

Hugh
Hugh
June 26, 2023 2:12 pm

Is there any evidence that eating breakfast improves concentration during the day?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 2:14 pm

“We’ve got so many important springs to protect,” Alawa traditional owner Naomi Wilfred said about her country near Minyerri.

Yeah, it’s madness.
Destroy natural Springs for a Cotton plantation which will pollute the waterways and employ approximately no one.

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 2:20 pm

I think the Cat (system) is suffering from a bit of Mondayitis today DB…

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 2:25 pm

Dr. Peter McCullough in his Substack today wrote this about our crazy times:

Carl Jung wrote in 1957 titled The Plight of the Individual in Modern Society. His opening reflections strike me as an apt description of the irrational and destabilizing phenomena we’ve witnessed in recent times.

Everywhere in the West there are subversive minorities, who—sheltered by our humanitarianism and our sense of justice—hold the incendiary torches ready, with nothing to stop the spread of their ideas except the critical reason of a single, fairly intelligent, mentally stable stratum of the population. One should not, however, overestimate the thickness of this stratum. It varies from country to country in accordance with national temperament. Also, it is regionally dependent on public education and is subject to the influence of acutely disturbing factors of a political and economic nature.

Taking plebiscites as a criterion, one could, at an optimistic estimate, put its upper limit at about 40% of the electorate. A rather more pessimistic view would not be unjustified either, since the gift of reason and critical reflection is not one of man’s outstanding peculiarities. And even where it exists, it proves to be wavering and inconstant, the more so, as a rule, the bigger the political groups are. The mass crushes out the insight and reflection that are still possible with the individual, and this necessarily leads to doctrinaire and authoritarian tyranny if ever the constitutional state should succumb to a fit of weakness.

Rational argument can be conducted with some prospect of success only so long as the emotionality of a given situation does not exceed a certain critical degree. If the affective temperature rises above this level, the possibility of reason having any effect ceases, and its place is taken by slogans and chimerical wish fantasies. That is to say, a sort of collective possession results, which rapidly develops into a psychic epidemic.

In this state, all those elements whose existence is merely tolerated as asocial under the rule of reason, come to the top. Such individuals are by no means rare curiosities to be met only in prisons and lunatic asylums. For every manifest case of insanity, there are, in my estimation, at least 10 latent cases who seldom get to the point of breaking out openly, but whose views and behavior, for all their appearance of normality, are influenced by unconsciously morbid and perverse factors.

There are, of course, no medical statistics on the frequency of latent psychosis, for understandable reasons. But even if their number should amount to less than 10 times that of manifest psychoses and of manifest criminality, the relatively small percentage of the population they represent is more than compensated for by the peculiar dangerousness of these people.

Their mental state is that of a collectively excited group ruled by affective judgments and wish fantasies. In a state of collective possession, they are the adapted ones and consequently they feel quite at home in it. They know from their own experience the language of these conditions, and they know how to handle them. Their chimerical ideas, spawned by fanatical resentment, appeal to the collective irrationality and find fruitful soil there, for they express all those motives and resentments which lurk in more normal people under the cloak of reason and insight. They are, therefore, despite their small number in comparison with the population as a whole, dangerous sources of infection, precisely because the so-called normal person possesses only a limited degree of self knowledge.

With each passing month, I go back and review these reflections, and it now seems to me that they present an almost perfect description of what we are witnessing today. Take just about every major public policy issue—the pandemic response, the vaccine cult, the war in Ukraine, and now the transgender cult—and note the profound irrationality of it. Common sense, reason, restraint, prudence, and circumspection—all seem to be constantly subverted by aggressive and disordered people.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 2:26 pm

Is there any evidence that eating breakfast improves concentration during the day?

Sorry, could you type that again. I am kind of fading…probably should have had breakfast.

Baba
Baba
June 26, 2023 2:26 pm

Did Bruce Chatwin coin the word ‘songlines’ in 1987?

C.L.
C.L.
June 26, 2023 2:35 pm

Police throw in the towel in the Kyle Daniels swim coach abuse hoax.

rosie
rosie
June 26, 2023 2:35 pm

Let me guess, someone who doesn’t wake up feeling hungry thinks everyone else should do as they do.
My two little granddaughters are very keen on getting a meal soon after they wake, especially the 11.2 k one.
Generally speaking they are breaking from a twelve hour fast.
My father and his brothers got up with their father from a very young age to hand milk cows, that was before breakfast which was then a very welcome meal of freshly baked bread, honey and cream.
My sons’ secondary school recommended bacon and eggs as an aid to morning concentration too.
Could be something to do with still growing.

Crossie
Crossie
June 26, 2023 2:35 pm

hzhousewife says:
June 26, 2023 at 2:03 pm
If wind towers and solar panels worked, why would China be buying coal?

Because they are not stupid or suicidal.

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 2:38 pm

When will someone call and end to this madness? A few Aborigines just have to declare that a whole river system is ‘sacred’ and that’s all she wrote, folks.

Yep. And once again, you can blame Labor elders such as Nugget Coombs and his followers for denouncing “Assimilation” and instead encouraging these people to “return to country”into remote communities that are shockingly disconnected with the rest of the inhabitants of this country.

So now we have a situation whereby such communities can likely quarantine huge areas of the most dense deposits of energy sources in the world.

And the truly wondrous thing is that the Party in government can either not understand the consequences, or are happy to confine the profits and revenue from such sources to a handful of people. Because that is what will happen if the residual descendants of the early inhabitants of this land are conferred with sovereignty over what is beneath the topsoil of this land.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 2:41 pm

Regional residents encouraged to attend The Voice online forum to hear from local voice

Breanna Redhead
South Western Times
Mon, 26 June 2023 11:57AM

Thomas Mayo will speak at tomorrow’s Understanding The Voice online forum.

Just one week after the Australian Parliament passed the bill for the upcoming referendum, regional residents will have the chance to learn about The Voice from a proud Noongar woman.

WA Senator Sue Lines is set to host the Understanding The Voice Online Community Town Hall this Tuesday afternoon, giving regional communities an opportunity to further understand the meaning of The Voice and how their vote will impact the country.

Senator Lines will be joined by Noongar woman Narelle Henry and Kaurareg Aborignal and Kalkalgal, Erubamle Torres Strait Islander man Thomas Mayo at the online event, helping audiences engage in a “constructive conversation” on the referendum and it’s wider impact.

Ms Lines said it was “very important” people had a proper understanding of the impact of their vote, now that is officially due to take place later this year.

“This momentous decision now lies with Australians to alter our country’s founding document, to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in the constitution and consult with our First Nations people on the legislation and policy that impacts them,” she said.

“I am dedicated to hearing from and speaking to as many Western Australian as I can. In these community forums I’ve heard the views of many voices, from elders, young people, stolen generations and non-indigenous people.”

An easily accessible event for regional people, she hopes South West residents will benefit from hearing directly from Ms Henry, and that they may connect to her “impassioned endorsement” for The Voice as a Noongar woman.

Admittedly “concerned” about some of the misinformation being spread about the referendum, she encourages people to log in to the community town hall to have all their questions answered.

“It concerns me that there is misinformation out there, and my role is to present local community members with the facts so they’re able to make informed decisions on how they will vote,” Senator Lines said.

“The online forum is an opportunity to connect with regional communities about the Voice to Parliament and ensure that regional Western Australians are able to cast their informed vote on the referendum.”

The free Understanding The Voice Online Community Town Hall will take place June 27 from 12:30pm with registrations available via Humanitix.

Somebody want to explain to this mob that Thomas Mayo’s words of wisdom about the Voice is the main reason why the “Yes” vote is sinking faster then the “Titanic?”

Cassie of Sydney
June 26, 2023 2:52 pm

“Police throw in the towel in the Kyle Daniels swim coach abuse hoax.”

Thanks C.L. It was a hoax from the beginning, a highly dubious witch hunt led by a zealous north shore female detective. The case reeked of similarities to the satanic child abuse rings of the 1980s and 1990s. The Daniels family have suffered enormously, particularly financially. Can they sue? I hope so.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 2:57 pm

Well a new cultural import from America has hit Feraldton…

Dad got a knock on the door from some excitable young youths/ladies wanting to know if he wanted to “buy $500 worth of meat”
Lured to the back of the car it was apparent that about $1000 worth of prime cuts had been liberated from a supermarket.
Dad did the responsible thing and brought $100 worth of meat for $20….

Been occurring a bit, another supermarket was all locked down with paddy wagons etc in attendance, so with a bit of luck they will nip the fad in the bud.

Also, once the meat leaves the shop, even if its recovered it cant be sold, heath/hygiene reasons.

Rabz
June 26, 2023 3:02 pm

For the scientistic genii at the ALPBC, here is:

a decolonised palette

rickw
rickw
June 26, 2023 3:02 pm

I regularly do 3 day water fasts without hunger, and did a 6 day fast in jail, again without hunger.

I have also found fasting to be pretty good at helping you get into a new time zone quickly.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Mr Daniels told the court that while he was under arrest, some police officers referred to him as ‘a disgusting paedo’ and joked about what would happen to him in jail.

It would be nice to meet those police officers now.
I’ve no objection to Mr. Daniels (or a representative) kinetically demonstrating to them how much displeasure their attitude causes him.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 3:09 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 26, 2023 at 12:12 pm
RosieWorld:
Magical place where the Catholic Priests are no more likely to be into Pederasty than the non priestly blokes, where it’s perfectly safe to sign your son up to Boy Scouts and Junior Rugby League, where all the Vaccines are 100% safe, and where Jesus Himself wants you to have another operation.

Turd Case World

Magical place where the public school teachers are no more likely to be into pederasty than the shop assistants, where it’s perfectly safe to sign your son or daughter up to after school care.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 26, 2023 3:10 pm

American Resurrection

Biden’s Foreign Policy? War.

The Biden administration deliberately provoked the Ukraine war and is doing everything it can to keep it going.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.
21 JUN 2023

Secretary of State Antony Blinken made a speech last Friday in Finland in which he dismissed the idea of a ceasefire in the Ukraine conflict and called for further transfers of high-tech weaponry and aircraft to Ukraine.

Blinken’s speech highlights once again that the Biden administration has no intention of ending this conflict peacefully.

The plan, which members of the administration and foreign policy establishment have explicitly admitted on numerous occasions, is to use Ukraine to achieve the larger geopolitical goal of weakening Russia.

In other words, the Ukrainians are cannon fodder in a U.S. proxy war against Russia.

Blinken’s statement is consistent with reports in Foreign Affairs magazine last September citing numerous American former security officials that Russia and Ukraine had actually reached a tentative peace agreement in April 2022.

That deal was scuttled after Boris Johnson, doubtless at the behest of the Biden administration, visited Kyiv on April 9.

Later, Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who was trying to mediate between Putin and Zelensky, stated that the US and its allies blocked his mediation efforts.

The pattern here is clear. Not only is the administration deceiving the American people about the motives for this costly and tragic war, but by continually escalating it they put the whole world at risk of nuclear conflagration.

Even by the standards of the Neocons who engineered this war, it is not going well.

The “spring counteroffensive” is a pathetic failure. I’m waiting to see how the administration will sugarcoat this calamity to shore up dwindling support for this disastrous misadventure, one in a long series of forever wars.

I call upon President Biden to issue two apologies. First, to the American people for misleading them into supporting an ugly proxy war on false pretenses. Second and more importantly, to the Ukrainian people for maneuvering them into this war and ruining their country, all for the sake of U.S. (imagined) geopolitical interests.

I also call upon President Biden and the world to heed the advice of John F. Kennedy in his 1963 Peace Speech, when he said:

“Nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.”

shatterzzz
June 26, 2023 3:18 pm

“Police throw in the towel in the Kyle Daniels swim coach abuse hoax.”

Having taught a couple the grandees to swim I’d luv someone to explain how you do it without touching the kids .. and, obviously, a wrong/slipped hand placement can occur ..! .. but to make a court case out of it …… duuuuuh!

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 3:19 pm

“Australians will make up their own mind. And I encourage Australians to have a look at the wording that’s put forward, to talk with First Nations people as well,” Mr Albanese said.

I believe that they have discussion groups at country truck stops, to guide us onto the correct path.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 26, 2023 3:21 pm

Why this Rich Lister is farming Singapore’s rooftops

Peter Barber made his money in video production, but his new moonshot project is farming on top of buildings in one of Asia’s busiest cities.

Emma Connors – South-East Asia correspondent

Peter Barber is used to deadlines after decades working in video editing and production. But last year, the 52-year-old Australian was up against it with systems of a very different sort. In Singapore, he and his team are pioneering a hybrid rooftop farm. When the build finished on June 30, they had until the end of October to prove to the Singapore government they could grow 200 tonnes of leafy greens and herbs a year.

“We had only four months to operationalise the site, solve problems and grow at full capacity. It takes six to eight weeks to go from seed to harvest, so we had only two cycles to get it right. Internally, we called the target Project Moonshot because it felt like we had to build the rocket and get it to the moon on the first attempt.

“The great news now is those crazy killer hours are in the past. Now when I go to the farm, which I do most days, we can work on expanding ideas and increasing varieties and just enjoy the feeling of working with Singaporeans growing food for Singapore.”

Barber’s career took a sharp turn six years ago when he stepped away from Blackmagic Design, the video tech juggernaut he co-founded and still co-owns. The shift into rooftop hydroponics marks a return to a part of his childhood that he loathed at the time.

“I was born in Melbourne, but towards the end of my primary school years we moved to Stanhope, a small town near Shepparton, onto a small farm. We also used to work for the bigger farm next door, so every weekend we’re milking cows and picking strawberries and so on. I hated it.

“As soon as I got an opportunity to work in Melbourne, I was out of there.”

Five floors up

The 17-year-old, who left school a year early to join Armstrong’s Audio Visual Australia as a tape operator, could not have guessed just how successful his career in video editing, production, sales and business development would turn out to be.

His 28 per cent share of Blackmagic is valued at $728 million, enough to debut on this year’s Rich List in 184th position. Barber collects dividends from the privately owned firm while concentrating on other investments in Singapore, including the urban farming venture, ComCrop.

These days Barber’s video adventures are on YouTube, where his dad’s Simple Meals channel doubles as a promotional vehicle for ComCrop’s leafy green vegetables and herbs. The produce is grown at a farm that’s five floors up in an industrial building in Woodlands, close to the causeway that links Singapore with Malaysia.

Barber moved to Singapore three decades ago to be nearer to Asia and “the latest and greatest” in video editing and production technology. From 2001 to 2004, he worked for Apple as the company’s video industry “expert and evangelist” across the Asia-Pacific region.

At the same time, he helped finance the early days of Blackmagic with co-founders Grant Petty and Doug Clarke. Barber then ran Blackmagic’s own post-production facility in Singapore before taking on an acquisitions and marketing role in the company, for which he and his family moved to California in 2014.

After two years, Barber and his Singaporean wife had reservations about staying in the US. They worried their two children could fall behind their counterparts in Singapore given its exacting school system. Barber was also keen to do a bit more hands-on parenting.

So the family moved back. Barber decided he no longer wanted an operational role in Blackmagic and by the end of 2016, he’d moved on. The following year, ComCrop came to Barber’s attention. The spouse of a former employee was involved in the community organisation, which was struggling to evolve. Barber is now the largest shareholder.

Zero food miles

ComCrop harvests 20 tonnes of pesticide-free produce a month, including varieties of lettuce, basil and mint, which is sold in supermarkets and online in Singapore. Barber hopes the Woodlands farm will be followed by others.

In 2020, he founded ZeroMile Holdings to raise funds to finance the ComCrop expansion and invest in other sustainable agriculture ventures. (He owns 40 per cent of ZeroMile, which has a 41 per cent stake in Comcrop.)

The idea is to get “food miles” as close as possible to zero by growing food near where people live. This might include bespoke farms for hotels and other sites, to shorten the route from produce to plate to just a few floors.

Barber also owns a direct holding of 20 per cent in ComCrop. Rooftop farming has plenty of appeal in Singapore. Imports account for more than 90 per cent of food, and the government wants to reduce that to 70 per cent by 2030. The tropical conditions, though, pose plenty of challenges. It just gets too hot.

Barber has found that although the nature of the problems differs, lessons learnt at Blackmagic and his other gigs – including making music videos – are still relevant. “All the disciplines we learnt through building product or even doing workflows to create videos still hold. You must have a system, you must have a methodology, you must be consistent and quality is the key.”

In Blackmagic’s early days, one of the biggest hurdles the founders faced was overcoming scepticism. In Singapore, Barber had to convince customers that the company could create top-notch content with equipment that was a fraction of the price of other production solutions.

“What our competitors didn’t understand was that the industry had changed. It was no longer about who had the most expensive gear. It was about who did the most beautiful work.”

At ComCrop, Barber is again focused on quality and consistency – and finding ways to reduce input costs. To this end, ComCrop established a hybrid model using a greenhouse to grow plants outside – high up but in natural light. “It would be much easier to build a conventional indoor farm where you string up the lights, build the shelves and don’t have to worry about pests. But the electricity bills for light and temperature control will kill you.

“So we use a Dutch-design greenhouse with proper shading and ventilation and enough light to displace humidity. We’re also adding in some of the automation that you might find in an indoor vertical farm. But ours is based on doing everything flat, at just one level, because we’re growing under natural sunlight.”

Rooftop farming is tough to make pay anywhere in the world. Singapore, where real estate and electricity are expensive and there is no cool season, poses extra challenges. Barber, however, is convinced the ComCrop hybrid model can succeed not just in its home market but elsewhere in South-East Asia and perhaps further afield.

“Eventually, I’d love to bring this concept to Australia. I remember from my time growing up in country Victoria that food is usually not grown anywhere near where people buy it.”

The pandemic has focused attention on the need to shorten supply chains, he says.

“Singapore used to be ranked very highly for food security because it imported from so many places. But then came the pandemic, which showed that multiple suppliers don’t mean anything when the world closes down. Every country has realised it needs to grow its own food to feed its people.”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 26, 2023 3:24 pm

Sink into the depths or go into space?

As Above So Below

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 3:26 pm

“Police throw in the towel in the Kyle Daniels swim coach abuse hoax.”
Thanks C.L. It was a hoax from the beginning, a highly dubious witch hunt led by a zealous north shore female detective.

Although you are obviously protective of your kids, there are quite a few Lower North Shore “mothers who lunch” who are very hyper about who their precious broods mix with. I am guessing that this did not make his case any easier to address.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 3:28 pm

Lysandersays:
June 26, 2023 at 12:43 pm
So, of the 41,029 in the December quarter 2022, 13,197 were indigens.

Obviously the cops are racist.

As are the prosecutors and the courts. Arrest is only the first step.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 3:28 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 26, 2023 at 12:51 pm
Let’s talk about the Butchulla, native to Fraser Island:

When Cook sailed past Indian Head in 1770, Joseph Banks counted 3,000
warriors looking at him.

Citation needed, or you are again lying.

Lysander
Lysander
June 26, 2023 3:32 pm

I have also found fasting to be pretty good at helping you get into a new time zone quickly.

Ah!!! So that’s why they serve you f-all to eat on long haul flights!!!

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 3:35 pm

Lysandersays:
June 26, 2023 at 11:15 am

I don’t often agree with that NATO shill Konstantin but he was right on the weekend when he said “Putin must remain in power” because “a coup by several opposing warlords wouldn’t be so great for Russia’s many independent nuke silos.

If Putin is removed then the Russian Neo-Cons will likely take charge. And they are akin to the hard line Communists of the old Soviet Union. And they won’t hold back on using tactical nuclear weapons or even dropping a nuclear bomb on Kiev. The West should be careful what it wishes for IMHO.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 26, 2023 3:36 pm

which means the kids are actually smarter than the entire educational establishment.

Not difficult.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 3:36 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 26, 2023 at 1:05 pm
. BTW, whatever his politics, by all accounts he was a nice bloke.

Simon was the first to adopt the Fake Ocker accent for public consumption.

You weren’t around when Arthur Calwell was Labor leader, were you?

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 26, 2023 3:37 pm

Note that the word ‘educated’ has finally been turned to have the opposite meaning.

Like ‘tolerance’ which now means to hunt down people with different opinions, ‘racism’ which means not dividing people into racial groups where some are more deserving than others, and ‘free speech’ now meaning that you are free (completely free) to say only approved things.

As James Lindsay often says, the left share our vocabulary, not our dictionary

Tom
Tom
June 26, 2023 3:39 pm

I’m Good (pardon the coarse lyrics).

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 26, 2023 3:43 pm

Dodging A Bullet In Russia

BY PORTFOLIO ARMOR

We’re Lucky Putin Still Runs Russia

Before Belarusian President Lukashenko negotiated a resolution to Wagner PMC chief Evgeny Prigozhin’s abortive mutiny, neocons and other Putin opponents in the West were gleeful at the prospect of Putin’s demise. Venture capitalist David Sacks pointed out why they were wrong to wish for Putin’s downfall:

What’s better: negotiated peace or nuclear chaos?

It looks like the crisis in Russia is abating after many premature predictions, dunks, and celebrations. We’ve come to expect such behavior from mids like [former Congressman and liberal gadfly Adam] Kinzinger, but the participation of so many more serious American policy makers and influencers shows the extent to which they have lost perspective.

They expressed glee over the possibility of a coup in the world’s largest nuclear weapons state by a warlord whose main gripe is that Russia has not prosecuted the war vigorously enough, who advocates full mobilization and total war, and is more likely to countenance nuclear use.

I can understand why Ukrainian nationalists — who are desperate to win the war in light of a counteroffensive that even CNN admitted yesterday is thus-far failing — would be willing to roll the dice and root for chaos and civil war in Russia. But for American leaders to do so shows that they have lost any conception of a distinct American national interest.

What the last 24 hours have underscored is that wars are not just incredibly destructive but also incredibly unpredictable. I continue to maintain that it was in the best interest of the United States to avoid this by supporting the Istanbul deal. It would have cost us nothing except an agreement not to add Ukraine to NATO. In fact, this would not have been a cost but a benefit, saving ourselves from the insanity of committing American boys & girls to fight Russia one day on Ukraine’s behalf.

Now the war seems likely to enter an even more desperate stage for both Russia and Ukraine. Is this what we want? History proves that things can always get worse. ISIS was worse than Saddam, Lenin was worse than the Tsar, and Prigozhin could have been worse than Putin. Do we want to keep rolling the dice? Or do we want to figure out how to bring the killing to an end?

Sacks was right about the obvious risks involved in destabilizing the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, but like many other Western observers, he seems to feel compelled to vilify Vladimir Putin, in ways that are both inaccurate and unhelpful to the prospect of future diplomacy.

An Objective Assessment Of Putin

As our friend Benjamin Braddock noted on Twitter, despite Sachs putting Putin in the same category as Lenin and Saddam Hussein, Putin is actually a moderate in the Russian political context.

Braddock made another excellent point as well, that we’re lucky America’s attempt at a color revolution in Belarus failed.

What Braddock wrote about Putin being a moderate is true, but Putin has also been the best leader for Russians in at least a century. A few statistics illustrate how much better off Russians are since Putin came to power in 1999.

Putin As A Force For Tolerance

Since racism (and antisemitism) are the worst sins in the West, Western critics sometimes dishonestly claim Putin is a racist, but in fact he has presided over a multiethnic, multiconfessional empire in a way that’s largely been inclusive rather than divisive. In some ways, Russia has handled its diversity better than the U.S. has.

Putin’s Restraint

It may seem odd to write about Putin’s restraint when we’re 16 months into an invasion of the Ukraine that he launched, but it’s worth noting how he has so far eschewed retaliating against Western provocations such as the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.

Consider how many potential targets for retaliation the United Kingdom alone has in the North Sea.

If Putin were the maniac some in the West claim he was, the Ukraine War would have spiraled into World War III months ago.

Hopefully, our leaders won’t press our luck and will instead return to diplomacy and negotiate an end to the war.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 3:44 pm

When Cook sailed past Indian Head in 1770, Joseph Banks counted 3,000
warriors looking at him.

What? Exactly 3,000? And they were all looking at just him? No one else on the Ship? Was Banks at all paranoid or something?

This needs more looking into and the person/whatever on the case is none other than Head Case – A suitable Case for lots of Treatment.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 26, 2023 3:45 pm

dover0beach says: June 26, 2023 at 3:11 pm

Going to try switching off the quotes in the sidebar for a day and see if that speeds load times up.

Seems to be serving a lot quicker now. If you’re watching server logs you know this already.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 26, 2023 3:47 pm

No! I take that comment back.
When I posted the comment above it took ages (as usual).

May be a delay difference between post and read-only page refresh?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 3:49 pm

Is there any evidence that eating breakfast improves concentration during the day?

The opposite appears to be true: a big carb meal (btw, all breakfast cereals and toast are carbs) leads to a feeling of somnolence (aka carb coma), whereas fasting or meat eating results in your brain running on ketones, which improves mental agility and stamina ….. at the risk of awakening the usual suspects, until you have tried both strategies as I have, you ‘dont get an opinion’ 😉

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 26, 2023 3:50 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 26, 2023 3:51 pm

Comments – https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-06-24/dodging-bullet-russia

WebCam brings back Fond Memories of being in St Petersburg Sep 2018

Watched a video of someone walking down the streets of St. Petersberg a couple nights ago. Lots of pretty young gals dressed nicely. I looked close and could not find one of them with a tramp stamp tattoo. No rings thru the cheeks or nose. No purple died hair. Reminded me of what America was back in the 60s and 70s. Normal.

10 hours ago

Indieed. For instance: https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/russia/saint-petersburg/metro-gostiny-dvor.html

areff
areff
June 26, 2023 3:57 pm

Customers of one of the nation’s major banks have been left in the lurch

You bet. A cash-only mechanic has just finished doing some work on my car, $900 worth for full service, tune up (16 new spark plugs!!!! which I don’t think were needed but I’ll trust him as he does good work) and getting the sun roof to operate properly again.

Tried to withdraw the cash from a Commonwealth hole in the wall. Would only let me have $300, and attempts to pull out two more $300 tranches were rejected because I had exceeded my ‘daily limit’ which is normally two grand.

So car is sleeping overnight at the servo. Bloody Commonwealth Bank.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 3:58 pm

The only problem with “Putin is bad, but whoever comes next might be worse” articles is that, sooner or later there will be no Putin and its happening anyway.

Much the same as those saying “at least Saddam keeps the country stable” were ignoring hed be gone one day, and his sons were pretty unsavory types even by local standards.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 4:04 pm

Duk, children who are about to go to school are not like the children of hunter/gatherers.

We all are, in terms of our basic design and optimum metabolism. It is our failure to recognise that we are running around in stone age bodies, and to fuel them as they were designed, that is a major contributor to the explosion in metabolic illness seen in recent decades.

Like you, I am not much interested in food first thing in the morning. But by late morning, I am definitely hungry.

My contention is that this does not happen if you are following an ancestrally appropriate diet, ie no breakfast, no lunch, a big steak at night and frequent multi-day fasts. Is this what you are doing yet you still get hungry in the morning?

The content varies from place to place in the world, but I’m pretty confident that all civilisations have given their children breakfast, because they are not adults and tend to be hungry when they wake up in the morning.

My argument is that hunter gatherers did not and could not do this because they ate everything they had caught over a fire the previous night … the ability to store meat , or latterly grains eg as bread so as to have it available on demand is a new phenomenon which our metabolic machinery has not caught up with yet.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 26, 2023 4:05 pm

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese insists Australians will overwhelmingly support the Voice to Parliament at the referendum, despite shocking new polling.

Not sure if that is an indictment of Elbow or an indictment of most Australians.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 4:08 pm

Duk, children who are about to go to school are not like the children of hunter/gatherers.

We all are, in terms of our basic design and optimum metabolism. It is our failure to recognise that we are running around in stone age bodies, and to fuel them as they were designed, that is a major contributor to the explosion in metabolic illness seen in recent decades.

Like you, I am not much interested in food first thing in the morning. But by late morning, I am definitely hungry.

My contention is that this does not happen if you are following an ancestrally appropriate diet, ie no breakfast, no lunch, a big steak at night and frequent multi-day fasts. Is this what you are doing yet you still get hungry in the morning?

The content varies from place to place in the world, but I’m pretty confident that all civilisations have given their children breakfast, because they are not adults and tend to be hungry when they wake up in the morning.

My argument is that hunter gatherers did not and could not do this because they ate everything they had caught over a fire the previous night … the ability to store meat , or latterly grains eg as bread so as to have it available on demand is a new phenomenon which our metabolic machinery has not caught up with yet, particularly when refined sugars are included in the mix.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 4:09 pm

Well done you turbomongs.

“gee, weve forced vaccinations on most of the population and thoroughly discredited decades of promotional work around vaccines, and now normal vaccination rates are down.

WHHHHYYYYY??

The sheer mouth breathing moronity of the turds who made this happen.
One of the main reasons for not compelling people to undergo medical treatment without informed consent is EXACTLY the outcome you have now.
People will lose trust/ avoid you.

Australia faces another record flu season – and children’s vaccination rates are alarming

What’s different in 2023?
The single thing different to pre-pandemic years is the number of younger Australians not getting an influenza vaccine.

In 2020, at this stage of the season, nearly 40% of children aged from six months to under five years were vaccinated, compared with just 20% now. In those five to under 15, 25% were vaccinated in 2020 compared with just 12% now.

This makes us worried.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 26, 2023 4:12 pm

Tried to withdraw the cash from a Commonwealth hole in the wall. Would only let me have $300, and attempts to pull out two more $300 tranches were rejected because I had exceeded my ‘daily limit’ which is normally two grand.

Which is why I’ve secreted five grand in odd places in my house.
I don’t trust banks, despite owning modest bits of three of them.
Dividends next week, yum!

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 4:13 pm

Let me guess, someone who doesn’t wake up feeling hungry thinks everyone else should do as they do.

My argument, “I did this and found great results, I urge you to try it” then I explain the theory behind it.

Your argument – as above…..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 4:16 pm

SAS veterans attack joint selection course aimed at stamping out rivalry with Commando units

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Defence has introduced a common selection process for the ­nation’s special forces regiments, sparking anger among senior Special Air Service Regiment figures who say it will undermine the unit’s status and capabilities by forcing it to compete for the best recruits.

The move is aimed at stamping out the “rivalry and antipathy” ­between the Perth-based SASR – which considers itself Australia’s most elite special forces unit – and the 1st and 2nd Commando regiments based on the east coast.

It has instead stoked further division, with senior SAS veterans attacking the change as “egalitarian bullshit” borne of “institutional envy”.
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It follows an attempted 2021 rollout of a joint selection program that was overruled by then defence minister Peter Dutton at the urging of SAS sponsors Andrew Hastie and Duncan Lewis.

Prospective SAS and commando entrants will now be put through the same gruelling entry course before being admitted to a particular unit to focus on its specialist “trade”.

The SAS specialises in “clandestine operations and special reconnaissance”; the 2nd Com­mando Regiment in “strike and recovery”; and the 1st Commando Regiment in a new “special warfare” trade.

Senior Defence leaders say individual units will retain control over the process, with the SAS hosting a selection course oriented towards those who want to join that regiment, and a commando-led program to be offered for those seeking entry to the Sydney and Melbourne-based special forces regiments.

Applicants will undergo the same core tests and can ask to be considered for entry into one unit or all three.

Senior SAS figures, speaking anonymously due to the sensitivity of the matter, say the storied unit will no longer have full ­control over its own selection process, allowing the commando regiments to “draw down on SAS talent”.

They say the process is being driven by the east coast units under the leadership of Special Operations Commander Paul Kenny, who wears the green commando’s beret.

“It’s a commando takeover, plain and simple,” said a former SAS officer who retains strong links to the unit.

“This is their way of taking control of the enterprise.”

The source said the SAS was the nation’s “senior” special forces unit, equivalent to the US Navy’s SEAL Team Six and the US Army’s Delta Force, while the 2nd Commando Regiment was akin to the US Army Rangers and other US Navy SEAL teams.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 4:18 pm

I think children, particularly before they go to school, need to have breakfast. And I suspect that the children of our hunter-gatherer ancestors probably got fed in the morning, before the adults.

With what?

The ‘left over’ meat which their own dogs or wild dogs cleaned up in the night?

Weetbix?

Croissants?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 4:20 pm

I think children, particularly before they go to school, need to have breakfast. And I suspect that the children of our hunter-gatherer ancestors probably got fed in the morning, before the adults.

With what?

The ‘left over’ meat which their own dogs or wild dogs cleaned up in the night?

Weetbix?

Croissants?

Remember I am talking about hunter – gatherers here, not the herders, farmers and pastoralists that came much later.

JC
JC
June 26, 2023 4:25 pm

Re accident, you can’t ‘accidentally’ destroy a pipeline at two different areas separated by about 100km.

According to an engineer dealing with pipelines you can if unequal levels of pressure are forced through either end. But, what would an engineer know, right?

You know, you’ve become so anti American that you would make far leftists envious.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
June 26, 2023 4:31 pm

The Welcome to Country before every AFL match I’ve attended this year – more so than other years – noticeably drains the atmosphere. Well done Albo. JNP 4 PM.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 4:36 pm

From Commissar Tennis Elbow –

“This referendum is chance to build a more united Australia. Recognising our full history, and listening to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people about issues that affect them. It’s that simple – let’s get it done.”

Let’s get rid of you more like. And Blackout Bowen and the Toy Treasurer and Wenny Pong and the Witch Gallagher and Man Boobs Short on Brains and Dreyfus and, and, and………………The whole lot of them.

rosie
rosie
June 26, 2023 4:39 pm

Speaking of absurdum.
Being expected to take people who claim ‘the virus doesn’t exist’ seriously.
And there is nothing strawmannish about being heartily sick of people claiming deaths for the vaccine even before a cause of death is given.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 4:43 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
June 26, 2023 at 4:12 pm
Tried to withdraw the cash from a Commonwealth hole in the wall. Would only let me have $300, and attempts to pull out two more $300 tranches were rejected because I had exceeded my ‘daily limit’ which is normally two grand.

Which is why I’ve secreted five grand in odd places in my house.
I don’t trust banks, despite owning modest bits of three of them.
Dividends next week, yum!

Yes, but those dividends are likely to be paid into your bank account. And then you try to withdraw some cash and………………………

Tom
Tom
June 26, 2023 4:45 pm

Not sure if that is an indictment of Elbow or an indictment of most Australians.

Elbow — a lifelong political activist, devoted to a rival of Joseph Stalin, whose thugs had Elbow’s hero, Leon Trotsky, murdered (with an axe) in 1940 — should know better than to imagine Australia is just like Stalin’s fascist autocracy of 80 years ago.

Elbow was the ALP rank-and-file’s popular choice for party leader, but had to wait years in the queue because of the tortuous party leadership rules introduced by Kevin Rudd.

Elbow eventually became PM in 2022 when the SFLs self-destructed and the electorate changed brands after the SFLs under Trumble and his chosen successor turned the Liberals into Labor Lite.

Elbow will eventually come around to the reality of the situation: if he goes ahead with the apartheid referendum, he will lose.

He’s not very bright so he may be persuaded he can blame a majority of Australians for his defeat, but it’s more likely he’ll see the wannabes circling in the ALP party room and decide he should change tack if he hopes to survive.

His best chance to ward off the likes of the Slovenian Hag in the party room is to change the subject and blame Putin.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 26, 2023 4:49 pm

Nut Case learning to count 1,2,3,300,3000. That was easy.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 4:51 pm

Criticizing recent US foreign policy is not being anti-American, it is simply being critical of recent US foreign policy.

And so very well said.

Jerk Off Cretin loves NY so much he/she/it/whatever resides in MelBum, Sicktoria. Short Ars* Wap that he/she/it/whatever is.

P*ss off to the USA if you love the place so much and please keep taking your Arrogance pills. The ones that make you less arrogant that is. You Pompous Windbag.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 4:51 pm

I wonder what a Freeway Footbridge size banner would cost? If we parade it across the footbridges, held by half a dozen blokes taking little tiny steps, its just free speech not Threatening Society by Tying Adverting to Safety-Critical Structures

Banners like this can have terrific impact, as I saw with the one against the climate cult down near Bateman’s Bay. Some healthy footbridge walking sounds like a very good idea.

rosie
rosie
June 26, 2023 4:53 pm

You keep pretending hunter gatherers only ate meat.
There’s a hint in the term ‘hunter gatherer’ that suggests you are wrong.
Early documentation of some Australian aborigines, who didn’t have skin in the silly paleo game stated that some tribes rarely ate meat.
And because it’s difficult, non meat food sources included grasses, tubers, fruits, seeds and nuts.
Kind of imaging those hunter gatherers who existed in very cold climates knew they needed to store some foods for those cold short winter months, not just to have something the next morning.
Also suspect they were mentally capable of figuring it would be a good idea to save a few bites of whatever for breakfast.
a 2000 paper discussing the already fashionable meaty stuff.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 26, 2023 4:55 pm

Yes, but those dividends are likely to be paid into your bank account. And then you try to withdraw some cash and………………………

Mr Rotten – I figure five grand in stockpiled cash is enough, in case of fascist government arseholery, to carry me over until I can go and beg from relos.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 4:59 pm

Yes, but those dividends are likely to be paid into your bank account. And then you try to withdraw some cash and

I’m getting old, but I do remember when dividends were paid by cheque…

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 5:05 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
June 26, 2023 at 4:55 pm
Yes, but those dividends are likely to be paid into your bank account. And then you try to withdraw some cash and………………………

Mr Rotten – I figure five grand in stockpiled cash is enough, in case of fascist government arseholery, to carry me over until I can go and beg from relos.

I agree which is why I have a stash of cash and the 1 dollar Kookaburra Silver Coins from the Perth Mint.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 5:12 pm

Elbow — a lifelong political activist, devoted to a rival of Joseph Stalin, whose thugs had Elbow’s hero, Leon Trotsky, murdered (with an axe) in 1940 —
It was a hatchet.
There were rumors that Trotsky had become a Christian and that was the reason he was murdered.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 26, 2023 5:15 pm

I agree which is why I have a stash of cash and the 1 dollar Kookaburra Silver Coins from the Perth Mint.
Yeah, your excuse is you’re old, but that’s still a stupid thing to advertise.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 5:19 pm

Duk at 1:08.
What were the deaths/injuries per 100,000 manhours of ADF personnel deployed overseas this century (excluding those SAS and frontliners engaging with the enemy – that is, “outside the wire”)?
See if you can exclude Lambie-like malingering “injuries” if possible.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 26, 2023 5:20 pm

Markson on the teev, sporting what appears to be two full inches of slathered-on spakfilla and render.

Still not working for you, toots.

rickw
rickw
June 26, 2023 5:20 pm

According to an engineer dealing with pipelines you can if unequal levels of pressure are forced through either end. But, what would an engineer know, right?

On of the key aspects of pipeline operations is managing pressure and pressure surges. On the input side the focus is on controlling pressure going in, for the remainder it’s about preventing and mitigating pressure surges.

There are so many layers of protection to this that having two simultaneous events from apparently the same cause seems highly unlikely.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 5:29 pm

It was a hatchet.

Bullshit.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 5:30 pm

It was a hatchet.*
There were rumors that Trotsky had become a Christian and that was the reason he was murdered.**

*Wrongology 1
** Wrongology 2: Crying out “Jesus Christ F8ck me dead” as the spike pierced his skull doesnt count as a conversion.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 5:36 pm

Ed-Mongs proof of Trotskys conversion to Christianity.
By the instigator themselves.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 5:38 pm

C.L.says:

June 26, 2023 at 2:35 pm

Police throw in the towel in the Kyle Daniels swim coach abuse hoax.

Interesting that, even after the acquittal, Plod was trying to pursue restraining orders in relation to the complainants (which have now been dropped).
I wonder if this was an attempt to set him up and charge him with breaching a restraining order by (unwittingly) being in close proximity to one of the complainants.
As Cassie says, it seems like we might have had a zealot on the case.
Just go taser some old ladies.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 26, 2023 5:40 pm

Word of the Day:

turbomongs

h/t mole

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 5:40 pm

In line with my intention to keep a small secret stash of cash I went after dance class this morning to an ATM to withdraw $500, which I will do in weekly lots for a while. Hairy won’t notice and it will be a little cash nest egg. The Commonwealth Bank wouldn’t let me. Over withdrawal limit, try another number. It wasn’t over the limit, but I wasn’t in a position to argue, so I tried $400 thinking I’d get away from the magic fives. Still over limit. Then I tried $300 but still over limit. Then $200 whereupon it graciously condescended to let me have $200 of my own money.

Apparently the Commonwealth Bank had a serious computer problem today, says my car radio.

It sure did.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 26, 2023 5:43 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 26, 2023 at 5:12 pm
Elbow — a lifelong political activist, devoted to a rival of Joseph Stalin, whose thugs had Elbow’s hero, Leon Trotsky, murdered (with an axe) in 1940 —
It was a hatchet.

The usual misinformation it was an ice axe.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 5:45 pm

there are quite a few Lower North Shore “mothers who lunch”

“Mothers who lunch”.

I like that.

At the local bottle-o (which is a sort of anti-Dan’s) the woman owner was telling me about the women who ‘drink during the day’, saying they all love Sauvignon Blanc. That big, unsubtle, flavour of Australian Sauvignon Blanc’s are perfect for people who will slowly drink the bottle over the afternoon without eating. And if company comes a-calling then the more the merrier.

Not all housewives in Mosman drink. But those that do love Sauvignon Blanc.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 5:46 pm

Hang on…were you counting me as a ‘Mother who lunches’?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 5:52 pm

The usual misinformation it was an ice axe.

Please don’t confuse Grogarly with the facts – you know it only makes his brain hurt.

Rossini
Rossini
June 26, 2023 6:00 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
June 26, 2023 at 5:40 pm
Re your “secret” stash!!!
Do you really think Hairy would give a rats ****

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:00 pm

Yeah, your excuse is you’re old, but that’s still a stupid thing to advertise.

I’m old too, Ed, but that’s no excuse for your assumption that the silver dollar hoarder has poor protective measures. Most people keep some cash in the house although generally not in large amounts. Some people have it in a secure home safe. Some have it under the mattress. And lots think they’re fooling burglars by putting it in the freezer.

Luckily our place makes it very difficult in numerous ways. Won’t say how.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 26, 2023 6:00 pm

Mutley seemed to think, if thats possible, that Christie was going to win the nomination. At 3% he sure can pick a winner.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 6:03 pm

5.02pm
Australia criticised for giving ‘obsolete boneyard vehicles’ to Ukraine
By Caitlin Fitzsimmons and Matthew Knott

Circling back to the announcement of $100 million in military aid to Ukraine … foreign affairs correspondent Matthew Knott reports that the federal opposition and military experts say it falls far short of what is needed.

Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Simon Birmingham and opposition defence spokesman Andrew Hastie said the new package “appears to be too little and made too slowly relative to the critical needs Ukraine has right now”.

“Today’s announcement does not include the military capabilities Ukraine have been publicly campaigning for nor is it known how quickly the vehicles announced will be on the ground,” they said.

Michael Shoebridge, a former senior Department of Defence official, described the package as “absolutely underwhelming”, saying : “Anyone, including the Ukrainian government, that had low expectations for this announcement would still be disappointed.”

Shoebridge, the director of Strategic Analysis Australia, said the M113s were “obsolete boneyard vehicles” from the Vietnam War era that would make little difference to the Ukrainian war effort.

Malcolm Davis, a senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said: “This package is really pretty insubstantial and the Ukrainians would be quite disappointed. They would have been expecting something more.”

Davis described the M113s as “obsolete battle taxis” that lack firepower and were far less useful than Hawkeis, which could be used as a mobile launch platform for the Ukrainian army’s surface-to-air missile system.

Ukraine’s ambassador to Australia Vasyl Myroshnychenko said the country was “extremely grateful” for the announcement, which includes an additional supply of much-needed 105-millimetre artillery ammunition.

This is Australia’s first substantial military aid package to Ukraine since October last year.

Dunno – a fourth class ride still beats a first class walk.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 6:03 pm

Please don’t confuse Grogarly with the facts

When we call that grey paper-skinned, shuffling outrage against nature, that zombie Fairfax ‘Fauxfacts’, he thinks the ‘facts’ part is the insult.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
June 26, 2023 6:05 pm

Re: the swimming coach: see also the Melbourne tradie whose life has been destroyed because the bird he picked up (she picked him up) had second thoughts and she had extensive connections to the judiciary so decided regret was rape. Assisted by a blue-haired copper fired by MeToo certainty that all men are rapists. Case fell over after he spent a fortune defending himself. Blue-haired copper and the gals pay no price – the women who cooked it up are still employed in the legal world. FMD

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 6:07 pm

Last night I watched a show about a trial of six guys for a gang rape in Bedford Massachusetts in 1983.
It was notable because it was the first trial to be televised live in the US.
It turned into a real shit-show with the public broadly divided into “hang ’em high” and “she was askin’ for it” camps.
When the dust settled, there was a Senate enquiry into the media’s role in criminal trials. One sentence from their report jumped out at me:-

“When a trial becomes a showcase, injustice is done to all participants.”


Probably wouldn’t apply in Australia, but interesting all the same.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:07 pm

Rossini, the key word is ‘secret’, so I can trot it out on occasions when we need some ready cash to pay a tradie or the cleaners or the gardener etc at just the moment when he says to that he’ll just duck out to the ATM and get some. Ta dah! Sometimes I have some and sometimes I don’t.

As I own half of everything we’ve got it’s hardly a Federal case. It’s just part of the fun of marriage.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:09 pm

Hairy’s also inclined to rely on the fact that the ATM is there to serve his needs.

I am far less trusting re that, viz today, and other occasions. Keep some cash is a Good Idea.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 26, 2023 6:11 pm

Don’t count on Joe Biden being the Democrat nominee for president next year. The octogenarian has presented his candidacy as a fait accompli, a proven winner against the likely Republican nominee, Donald Trump, who now more than ever has been weighed down by political and legal baggage.

But three factors are undermining Biden’s chance of a second term in the White House: his obvious physical decline, Vice-President Kamala Harris and mounting evidence that he has lied about his business dealings with his wayward son, Hunter, which have recently been laid bare through whistleblower testimony released by a congressional committee.

You could almost hear Democrat party grandees wince when Biden fell over on stage at a naval academy event earlier this month; likewise when he inexplicably uttered “God Save the Queen, man” at a gun safety summit in Connecticut last week.

The President’s frequent physical and verbal stumbles make a mockery of the idea that he (at 80 years old) could hold his own in a series of high-stakes presidential debates, which will take place in the lead-up to the November 2024 poll, setting the party up for a potentially catastrophic moment where the President’s support crumbles, live on air.

And that’s if the physical rigours of a normal presidential election campaign – rather than one conducted largely online as in 2020 – don’t trip him up beforehand.

Biden’s age, as distinct from his physical decline, exacerbates the party’s Kamala Harris problem too. The Vice-President, a sprightly 58 by comparison, is even more unpopular than the President, especially among independent voters, who will be decisive in the 2024 election. Indeed, a quick look at standard US actuarial tables reveals an almost 30 per cent chance the President would die before the end of 2028, when he would be 86.

Vote for Biden, and get Kamala, the Republican argument will go. And don’t expect Harris, a heartbeat away from an office she could never win herself, to voluntarily relinquish her position. She’s in pole position to become America’s first female president.

The gathering storm over the President’s integrity is an even bigger problem.

While the world was distracted by the tragic implosion of the submersible near the wreck of the Titanic in the North Atlantic, the House of Representatives Ways and Means committee released hundreds of pages of explosive testimony from two Internal Revenue Service whistleblowers that pointed to government efforts to throttle an investigation into the President’s son, including by obstructing the issue of search warrants and tipping off the Biden family.

Most shockingly, they revealed an authentic communication from Hunter Biden, who was formally charged with tax and firearm offences last week, in July 2017 via WhatsApp to Chinese businessman and Communist Party official, Henry Zhao.

“I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight,” the younger Biden wrote in a message that appeared to contradict the President’s repeated claims – before and during his presidency – to have nothing to do with his son’s business dealings.

Separate bank records, unearthed by the new Republican-controlled House of Representatives, have already revealed payments of millions of dollars to the Biden family from shady businesses in China, Ukraine and elsewhere.

The walls, as they say, are closing in around the President, whose public approval is already terrible. The overwhelming bulk of Democrats repeatedly tell pollsters they want someone else to run in 2024.

An extraordinary 44 per cent of Democrats told a CNN poll last month they would “consider” supporting longshot challenger Robert F. Kennedy Jr, on top of the 20 per cent who said they were already supporting him.

Democrats have been operating on the assumption that a 2020 rematch with Donald Trump, the most likely GOP nominee at this stage, would have the same result. They shouldn’t count on it.

In any two-horse race one always has a chance of winning, and Trump remains well ahead of Biden in most national polls, despite the massive load of legal and political baggage that comes with him.

More at the Oz

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 6:13 pm

It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles.

– Niccolo Machiavelli

Cassie of Sydney
June 26, 2023 6:13 pm

“With what?

The ‘left over’ meat which their own dogs or wild dogs cleaned up in the night?

Weetbix?

Croissants?

Remember I am talking about hunter – gatherers here, not the herders, farmers and pastoralists that came much later.”

Straw duk alert.

cohenite
June 26, 2023 6:13 pm

Is the Slovenian Hag plibbers? And is the consensus that she is most likely to take over from rub and tug when the screech goes sideways and turtle plunges most of Australia into darkness? If so WTF don’t the lnp/phon/anyone use her hubbie, the convicted heroin dealer, against her?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 6:17 pm

For once I agree with Googlery.
It isn’t smart to advertise that you have cash lying around the house, no matter how anonymous you think you are.
Yeah, $3k, $4k, $5k might not seem like much, but you’d be surprised how little money is needed to motivate a drug-fckd idiot to violence.
The other thing about them is that they may not be smart, but once they get fixated on a plan it becomes imperative.
More often than not, the victim is some poor old bugger who lives in the same street or drives the same car.
Hint – it’s not a secret stash if you tell everybody.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 26, 2023 6:20 pm

likewise when he inexplicably uttered “God Save the Queen, man”

If a politician, makes a gaffe in the forest, and no one reports it, did it really happen?

Zero.zero reportage of 90% of Bidens verbal shart of consciousness events on FTA television.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:21 pm

Apparently in today’s bank outage some people were left at the supermarket checkout with all their chosen goods and unable to pay as they had no cash and the computer said no.

I think it is wise to have some casho for any such unknown and sudden event, even a natural one such as a weather disaster etc.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 26, 2023 6:24 pm

If the final two candidates for POTUS 2024 turn out to be RFK Jnr and Trump, it won’t even matter who the EC appoints because we’ll have already won.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 6:25 pm

The usual misinformation it was an ice axe.

I like an ice pick a la Basic Instinct.

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 6:25 pm

Hang on…were you counting me as a ‘Mother who lunches’?

No Mother Lode – I was specifically thinking of the 40+ age “trophy wives”. Don’t think you are probably one of those!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:33 pm

OK, Sancho. I hereby announce that I don’t have a secret stash.

I have an unsecret stash. That fluctuates in profitability for any druggie.
In a property where entry is at your own risk, read into that what you may. 😉

Vicki
Vicki
June 26, 2023 6:33 pm

I think it is wise to have some casho for any such unknown and sudden event, even a natural one such as a weather disaster etc.

I agree Lizzie. We especially believe that in the coming uncertain economic climate, it is very wise. The security issue remains a problem, no matter how smart we think we are.

Years ago we suffered a burglary in Sydney where the robbers entered an ensuite bathroom window barely 25cm high and maybe a metre wide. Police said they know it is near a bedroom where jewellery is often left exposed. They somehow bring a metal detector (to also detect safes) so that they can be in and out within minutes. So you have to figure out a safe situation for valuables based on that. Figure it out for yourselves.

jupes
jupes
June 26, 2023 6:37 pm

If the final two candidates for POTUS 2024 turn out to be RFK Jnr and Trump, it won’t even matter who the EC appoints because we’ll have already won.

Yep.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 6:37 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 26, 2023 at 5:15 pm
I agree which is why I have a stash of cash and the 1 dollar Kookaburra Silver Coins from the Perth Mint.
Yeah, your excuse is you’re old, but that’s still a stupid thing to advertise.

How so Head CASE and a Suitable CASE for lots of Treatment? At age 70 years, I am not that old. You on the other hand are around 70 which is your IQ. Poor Sod.

Having cash on hand and the 1 dollar Perth Mint silver coins hidden away is an insurance policy in CASE the whole place goes base over apex.

And that is NOT stupid to advertise. Or to make people aware of.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 26, 2023 6:39 pm

I only keep a secret stash of BTC and DOGE at home. It seems like a risk worth taking.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:43 pm

Yeah, $3k, $4k, $5k might not seem like much, but you’d be surprised how little money is needed to motivate a drug-fckd idiot to violence.

No, it wouldn’t surprise me at all, Sancho. I’ve done plenty of professional drug counselling and have also ‘done the practicals’ within my own family. One of them (not my kids) whipped my wallet for heroin when he was sixteen. On the other side of that equation, our own daughter when first married and living in some nice apartments near Paddington Barracks came home to find a patio window smashed and her clothing all rifled by an addict seeking casho only. We had to throw most of it out as it was bloodstained and wrecked, because he’d cut an artery during the break-in.

It was one of those lucky times when the addict was caught and did some jail time for it.
I heard he straightened out after that, so his DNA calling card did some good for him in the end.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 26, 2023 6:45 pm

Albo has put the dastardly Russians to flight. Flee Ruskies, flee for your lives!

Russian squatter flees embassy site (Sky News main page headline, 29 Jun)

A Russian diplomat squatting at the cancelled Canberra embassy site near parliament has departed the grounds after camping out on the disputed block for several days.

His departure follows the High Court dismissal of Russia’s bid to try to retain control of the second embassy site after new laws ended Moscow’s 99-year lease on grounds of “national security”.

The man then emerged from the demountable building which he had been residing in as a silver minivan with diplomatic plates arrived.

The unknown Russian representative was carrying bags as he came through the gates, closing them behind him and quickly rushing to the car.

He refused to take any questions from reporters as he entered the vehicle.

He was closely monitored by AFP at the Yarralumla site and had occasionally left the small unit to smoke cigarettes and collect food deliveries.

A smoker! Surely that was why he was evicted with such alacrity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Straw duk alert.

Yuuuuge amounts of straw here today.
We need to remember that straws kill dolphins and turtles.
Use them wisely.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 26, 2023 6:48 pm

If so WTF don’t the lnp/phon/anyone use her hubbie, the convicted heroin dealer, against her?

Because that wouldn’t be fair play in pollie world – the unwritten rule: never make the families the story, otherwise it would be open season on everyone’s and what then would be revealed?

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 26, 2023 6:49 pm

Extinction Rebellion founder walks away from group and their very annoying tactics:

American entrepreneur Trevor Neilson co-founded the Climate Emergency Fund (CEF), a group that bankrolled Extinction Rebellion and JSO.

Mr Neilson has has since resigned his position and described their methods as ‘unproductive’….

The 50-year-old Californian businessman stepped down in 2021 but has since decided to speak out to criticise the groups’ protest tactics, which include ‘slow marches’ and blocking roads.

Major events have also been disrupted by JSO, including the Rugby Cup final at Twickenham and the Epsom Derby, with Wimbledon suspected to be the next sporting event under threat.

‘It’s become disruption for the sake of disruption,’ Neilson told The Times. ‘Working people that are trying to get to their job, get their kid dropped off at school, survive a brutal cost of living crisis in the UK, you know, there’s a certain hierarchy of needs that they have.’

Neilson was once an enthusiastic supporter of the controversial tactics employed by the climate groups, but said their activities have caused him increasing unease.

‘If at the same time they have a pink-haired, tattooed and pierced protester standing in front of their car, so that their kid is late for their test that day, that does not encourage them to join the movement,’ he told The Times.

‘It’s just performative. It’s not accomplishing anything. I absolutely believe that it has now become counterproductive, and I just feel like that has to be said by somebody that was involved in the beginnings of what it has become.

Daily Mail

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 26, 2023 6:53 pm

Don’t count on Joe Biden being the Democrat nominee for president next year.

Not sure if it is relevant, but I use Biden as the standard measure of demented prickly vicious cadaverous ogre.

So if I were an RN I would tell a nurse on the ward “He is about 500 milli-Bidens, so when he leaves the ward to sniff out the nurses you should rearrange the furniture, leave random threatening notes from people with names like ‘corn-pop’, and put up signs to force him to take the stairs.”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 6:55 pm

For when the computer says no, we always run at least three different credit cards.

It has saved our bacon when overseas and the main card has been blocked by the stupid bank as it was once in Monument Valley in the flyover country of the US and there was internet available either.

On one occasion, Hairy was grateful to dip into my ‘secret stash’ of little Aussie battlers and some USD that I always carry in my passport wallet. He laughs when I say I am taking some, even now when he has been glad of it previously. But I still take it. He has never in his life been without money or access to it and had to worry quite literally about where the next meal was coming from. I have. That’s the difference.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 26, 2023 6:55 pm

what then would be revealed?

I think since the b/higgins ‘incident’ that all is fair in politics now. Better to have a bit less privacy in politics than have one side brazenly trash the system (legal, media) and suffer no comeback.

Johnny Rotten
June 26, 2023 7:01 pm

Somebody want to explain to this mob that Thomas Mayo’s words of wisdom about the Voice is the main reason why the “Yes” vote is sinking faster then the “Titanic?”

The Titanic has already sunk (April 1912) and so has the ‘Yes’ vote. RIP.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 26, 2023 7:02 pm

No leaders slam ABC Indigenous ‘genocide’ comment

The No campaign’s Indigenous leaders have criticised comments made on the ABC’s flagship weekend politics program, Insiders, about “ongoing genocide” of Indigenous Australians.

Dana Morse, a federal politics reporter for the national broadcaster, made the comments on Sunday’s program, while speaking about the Indigenous voice to parliament and its proposed powers.

“But to speak to the issue of January 26, what are people protesting about on January 26?” she said. “They are protesting about the invasion, they are protesting about the genocide of Aboriginal people that is ongoing today.”

Opposition Indigenous affairs spokeswoman Jacinta Price called on the national broadcaster to “rein in their activist employees”.

“There is no genocide being perpetrated today, and comments saying there is have no place on public airwaves,” Senator Price said.

“I’ve called on the ABC ­previously to control their staff and ensure balanced and impartial voice commentary, but once again an ABC so-called reporter has been allowed to spew divisive and false information without being pulled up by the host.

“The No campaign has tried to work with the ABC to ensure ­balance. I personally have done six ABC appearances on TV and radio in less than a week, but their bias in this referendum is still on full display and the ABC bosses must do more to rein in their activist employees.”

Fellow No campaign leader Warren Mundine called the comments “rubbish”.

“There’s no genocide happening. In fact, the last 56 years since the ’67 referendum, the improvement for Aboriginal people and the opportunities and equality … is just something my parents and grandparents dreamt of,” he said.

“There’s no genocide happening today. And if she’s got evidence of that, then let her … point it out … they should call her in, because it’s just a whole pack of lies and nonsense.”

The ABC has been contacted for comment.

Oz with comments open

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 26, 2023 7:03 pm

Don’t count on Joe Biden being the Democrat nominee for president next year.

LOL. Two reasons for my hilarity.

1. He is over 60% in the primary polls.
2. He (and Jill) have a dirt file assembled over 50 years in politics.

Their pick for the Veep running mate will be the most interesting decision for 2024. Whole textbooks could well be written about who gets picked and why.

Pogria
Pogria
June 26, 2023 7:03 pm

We need to remember that straws kill dolphins and turtles.
Use them wisely.

While I am on board with having cash stashed away for emergencies, I am also well stocked with plastic straws, cups and cutlery. Along with bog rolls, they will be crucial for trading purposes when the SHTF. 😀

Seriously though, I do have heaps of straws, cups and cutlery leftover from when I had my Farmers Market Stall.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 7:03 pm

You keep pretending hunter gatherers only ate meat.
There’s a hint in the term ‘hunter gatherer’ that suggests you are wrong.

Ah yes, you have stumbled upon another truth – they were much more hunterers than gatherers – there were no grains (these were developed from grasses and only had large enough seeds to be worth harvesting much later), fruits etc were seasonal and only available for short segments of the year – and in competition with other consumers, as anyone with a peach tree knows.

And because it’s difficult, non meat food sources included grasses, tubers, fruits, seeds and nuts.

See above

Kind of imaging those hunter gatherers who existed in very cold climates knew they needed to store some foods for those cold short winter months, not just to have something the next morning.

In cold climates, meat remains much more available, year round, (case in point eskimos) than grasses, nuts and fruit.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 7:04 pm

At age 70 years, I am not that old.

Definitely not, Johnny Rotten. Spring chicken, just like Hairy who’s just turned 71.

These days, 60 seems positively youthful. O, those were the days. When PR flacks called me Hairy’s trophy wife! 🙂

With 81 looming now, I am nevertheless still positive. Did quite a good Latin Mambo this morning.
Making your brain have sensible discussions with your feet is very good training for this decade.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 26, 2023 7:06 pm

If the final two candidates for POTUS 2024 turn out to be RFK Jnr and Trump, it won’t even matter who the EC appoints because we’ll have already won.

Yes, a delicious prospect.

Who could have imagined that a candidate would arise (RFKJ) who not only appealed to Trump voters, but was also even more hated by the deep state?

Sadly, the democrats will pick him off with fraudulent primaries, Bernie style, or failing that, the CIA will, JFK/RFK style.

RFKJ is a brave man and a true patriot.

P
P
June 26, 2023 7:07 pm

Calvary ‘steps away’ from palliative care hospice Clare Holland House
The Catholic Weekly -By Adam Wesselinoff – June 26, 2023

Calvary Health has made the decision to “step away” from running the ACT’s only inpatient palliative care service, Clare Holland House, when Canberra Health Service takes over Calvary Public Hospital on 3 July.

“It is with a heavy heart that we have come to this decision, but in our view Clare Holland House is not a separate service and patient care is our priority,” Mr Bowles said.

Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith had previously said during the debate in the ACT Legislative Assembly over the takeover laws that the palliative care hospice is owned by the ACT government and did not come under the same agreement as Calvary Public Hospital.

She said that staff at the hospice wanted to be part of an integrated health service and wished “to take palliative care into the future.”

The ACT Government is currently preparing legislation for a euthanasia scheme in the territory, after laws prohibiting the territories from legalising euthanasia were repealed by the Federal Parliament late last year.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 26, 2023 7:08 pm

Oz with comments open

I’ll bet good money that comments go down the memory hole, sooner rather than later.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 26, 2023 7:16 pm

I both studied and taught with Margaret McArthur in the 1960s and we often discussed her fieldwork on aboriginal nutrition. Plant life was very important to tropical dwelling aboriginal tribes, who would follow the seasonal distribution of plants, and so were small animals like lizards and skinks a significant part of the diet. The women ground native seeds for a sort of flour and a surprising amount, at least 60% of the diet, including shellfish, was collected by women as opposed to male hunters providing meats or larger fish. Women’s work gathering formed a similar pattern in other hunter-gatherer cultures, in prehistory and in extant African, Inuit and Sami communities. This pattern would of course have differed in the more arid regions of aboriginal Australia, away from the coast, where life was harder and famine always on the cards.

MatrixTransform
June 26, 2023 7:24 pm

turbomongs

**chuckles

  1. And now at 7.30am despite sunrise there is still very little sunshine especially in Victoria so Victorians are being powered…

  2. I yapped too soon. The babies have hatched. Just saw one parent standing on the nest edge poking food into…

  3. Saved from the nest on Ye Olde Fredde. Curtin’s “beating the big drum to stop the work force going on…

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