Open Thread – Weekend 5 Aug 2023


The House of Guardaboschi, Gustav Klimt, 1912

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Gabor
Gabor
August 5, 2023 12:33 am

Right on time too.
Good moaning.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
August 5, 2023 12:41 am

Hola amigos!

Freezing cold at Casa Pedro. Resident hound had the temerity to snarl at me when I moved him to put another log on the fire.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 5, 2023 1:37 am

Buttons!

Oh my wordy lordy yes.

Alamak!
August 5, 2023 1:58 am

solid 4th. worth waiting up for …

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 5, 2023 2:03 am

Top 5 – looking good!

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 2:09 am

Not often up at this time so I’ll take a top 10 pos ……… LOL!

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 2:31 am

A client wanted to buy a property in order to tip it over and build a new home. His lawyer made contact with the “original owner” corp and asked the cost of obtaining approval. He was the cost would be 16k.

I don’t think an aboriginal has set foot in that burb for hundreds of years.

People really need to start making public fusses about this.
It’s just a government sanctioned mafia.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 5, 2023 2:31 am

Bettina Arndt in fine form over at Quadrant with A ‘Justice System’ Reconfigured to Snare Men

Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:00 am

Johannes Leak. Brilliant.

Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 4:15 am
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 5, 2023 4:57 am

Thanks Tom. Good to see you back!

Crossie
Crossie
August 5, 2023 5:13 am

Thanks Tom, wonderful to have you posting the toons again. I liked the ‘Pence is toast’ best.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 5:35 am

Freezing cold at Casa Pedro.

Even with the dorper blankets?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 5:38 am

Taibbi on the latest Trump indictment.
2mins.

Defining a “Knowingly False” Statement in the Trump Indictment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG5lTt6ONCs

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 5:47 am

Exhausted this morning.
Watched 4 hours of football, while listening to Warhammer stories, while scrolling TikTok.
That TikTok is addictive.
You watch a full video of a pack of over 100 wild pigs somewhere in northern Australia and then the algorithm shows you nothing but Australian feral animal videos.
Then you have a break.
Then you watch a full video of some pom cleaning a cows hoof & then you just get hoof videos.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 5:49 am

PS what would happen if one of those wild pig packs came across some German campers?
Would it be like Bricktop in Snatch?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 5:54 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 5, 2023 7:25 am

A.F. Branco #2.

Thanks Tom! That should be a two slot toaster because DeSantis has just toasted his chances completely also.

Report: DeSantis Doubts Trump’s 2020 Election Fraud Claims (4 Aug)

Republican 2024 presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose campaign has been struggling to distinguish itself and gain traction, is now going against front-runner former President Donald Trump by saying his claims about 2020 election fraud proved untrue.

“All those theories that were put out did not prove to be true,” The New York Times reported DeSantis saying in response to a reporter’s question following a campaign event at a brewery in northeast Iowa on Friday.

He’s gone, probably for 2028 too. The base are very feral right now. The only way he can get back is to say the NYT report is false, and then to support Trump in the claim that 2020 was stolen, which it clearly was. He won’t do that because he’s too close to the GOP elites and their donors, and he’s already short of money.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 7:49 am

Confirmed at Garma: Albanese will crash through or crash on the Voice referendum.

Very courageous, Prime Minister.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 7:49 am

What! No upticks? For shame!

I need internet affirmation in the morning!

On a more positive note, I’m a Klimt junkie. Love the artwork. A Masterclass in green plus the joys of the colour wheel.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 7:53 am

Also, did you notice the rather malevolent black cat in the window? He’s watching…always watching…

😀

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 7:56 am

Aboriginal-specific drug and alcohol program

And in places that already have these, are they any more effective?

I very much doubt Aboriginal community controlled organisations will deliver anything other than waste, nepotism, theft and incompetence, not on their historical record.
Oh and if Aboriginal people are going to be held to much lower standards in obtainging an education and work performance everyone will continue to assume that incompetence.

a pilot allowing Aboriginal community controlled organisations to provide primary health care in New South Wales prisons.

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 7:56 am

This morning I watched the recording of Credlin last night. Credlin had a piece on the third garbageTrump indictment, presented by that effwit vacuous female moron, Annelise Nielsen. After the piece by Nielsen, she interviewed Professor James Allan and it was nice to see Allan open up his salvo by smacking down Nielson with the following words…

“well firstly that summary by Annelise was pretty much something you would hear on the ABC”.

Ouch. Thank you Professor Allan.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 7:56 am

Navalny sentenced to 19 years on trumped up charges.

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 7:57 am

I miss the upticks!

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 5, 2023 7:59 am

Vikki Campion:

If you want to play the game where the Coalition is all evil and Labor comprised of all saints, you had better make sure you are right.

Not for one moment should anyone shirk from the responsibility of the administration disaster of Robodebt — primitive AI taking the place of people and assuming rather than researching, demanding rather than inquiring about repayment of debts that, in many instances, were never owed.

A royal commission found Robodebt responsible for suicides after vulnerable households were shell-shocked to find they owed so much and lacked the means to pay it back.

Two responsible ministers have offered their scalps for this debacle, resigning from parliament.

But this week, while Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth was admonishing the former government during question time for being “mean-spirited”, “evil”, “cruel”, “crude” and “callous” over its Robodebt disgrace, the briefest of glances at Services Australia’s social media pages clearly showed it remained robotically inhumane.

Centrelink debts are still being issued to the working poor without an explanation of how they were accrued.

Clients wait on call centre lines for hours trying to extract information.

Hundreds of complaints on Services Australia Facebook posts detail being unable to speak to someone on the phone. Instead a social media bureaucrat responds: “We suggest getting in touch with our Complaints line on 1800 132 468 to speak with a service officer about your concerns.”

Are they serious? A complaint about being unable to speak to a human gets a response to call the line they can’t get through on?

Imagine what it will be like if you complain about being unable to speak to a human about thousands of dollars being swiped from your account to pay an unexplained debt, only to have the one thing that helped Robodebt end — people speaking up — completely shut down?

Governments are inclined to censor people they don’t want to hear from. As we know, during Covid posts were shut down to limit “misinformation”, only for those claims to be found to be true later on.

It was only when victims of Robodebt were able to talk about it that the Senate inquiries and, finally, the royal commission even occurred.

With Centrelink and the Australian Taxation Office, the government has the power to impose a debt, to enforce it and presume it is always right and you are always wrong.

On Thursday, a working mother of Indigenous children had her entire tax return taken without warning. Calling the Aboriginal line on Centrelink meant an hour and a half of listening to My Island Home on repeat.

A breakdown of the debt was “out of the scope” of the Debt Recovery call centre. A Services Australia review was the only option for a breakdown of the claim, and it would be 49 days before they would get to it. Her only solution was to go to a local branch and find a real human being.

In other places where someone demands payment for a bill they can’t explain, it’s called fraud. Sometimes, they go to jail for it.

When Centrelink and the ATO do it, to people who follow a government policy in good faith, they don’t negotiate, they take — without transparency, accountability or apology.

Minister Rishworth indulged in self-righteous grandstanding this week as a $40 increase for welfare recipients was moved in the chamber, claiming the Coalition “seem to fail to truly recognise the damage that this scheme has caused”.

She forgets it was Coalition backbenchers representing the poorest electorates who first took the fight internally to the former government.

Nobody understood how damaging it was more than those in the electorates doing it toughest.

In question time, she said the former government intended to make people feel like criminals, told they would have to “repay those debts and you may end up in prison”.

That’s very brave of her since electorate offices around the country still have letters from Centrelink saying not only do they still data match with the ATO, but that they will take money from tax returns even if there is a payment plan in place; if not, you will face legal action.

These include a retired couple who paid $80,000 from their super, after panicking with Centrelink bill shock.

Services Australia Minister Bill Shorten has ended Robodebt, but his department is yet to fully deliver a solution as Centrelink call centres blow out under the stress of childcare claims and disaster payments, all on the back of Robodebt’s reduced staffing.

In defence of stretched SA staff, they did answer 55 million phone calls last year.

Robodebt was a disgrace, but free speech identified it and ended it.

How will future problems be fixed, with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s anti-free speech Combating Misinformation and Disinformation Bill that may prohibit people from discussing these issues as the government deems any attack on it as “misleading” information?

The old ministers might be gone, but the robots are just getting started.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 8:00 am

And if anonymous Aboriginal corporations are going to demand 16k per residential property to sign off on knock down rebuilds that will be many many more millions of unaccountable ‘paying the rent’.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 8:00 am

Aboriginal community controlled organisations to provide primary health care in New South Wales prisons.

There’s that name again – Bugmy.

Lady complaining about not being paid for “cultural competence” (i.e. Welcome to Country) by the local council yesterday was a Bugmy.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 8:01 am

Test

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 5, 2023 8:03 am

I’ll give you an uptick Cassie!
Off now for the sons’ sporting pursuits.
But a question quickly, what the actual phuck is the Garma Festival? Albo trudging along adorned by an Akubra. All confected bullshit it seems.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 5, 2023 8:06 am

The old ministers might be gone, but the robots are just getting started.

Forget the ministers, sack every public servant ever involved with Robodebt from the SES level upwards. They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 8:07 am

Australians dependent upon Centrelink are trapped in a real life Kafka story.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 8:09 am

I have upticked you, Cassie, here in my heart – where it counts.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 5, 2023 8:10 am

BB

But a question quickly, what the actual phuck is the Garma Festival? Albo trudging along adorned by an Akubra. All confected bullshit it seems.

Garma seems to be Yothu Yindi by another name – just a means of transferring lots of taxpayer money to the Yunupingu clan.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 8:11 am

I miss the upticks!

*uptick*

On account of it being Affirmation O’clock.

No more or you’ll become addicted.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 8:12 am

It’s a year old article I stumbled on searching Bugmy.
Rent seeking Aboriginal Corporation is everywhere, getting kowtowed to .
Why do they need a Voice?
NVIT is government funded already.
how screen Australia is spending

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 8:14 am

C.L. has the Garma entrance fees listed over on his blog.

What the hell? Who pays for this stuff out of their own pockets?

It’s a less-than-opaque money churn, not even bothering to disguise it. Audience members will already bee on the Public teat, either Fed or State public service, qangos or crony businesses.

In other words, we are paying.

Razey
Razey
August 5, 2023 8:15 am

anonymous Aboriginal corporations

With a perfect monopoly. Fake Abo parasites rejoice.

Chris
Chris
August 5, 2023 8:16 am

Morning all.
As I slog the walk from my mining camp to the workplace I have been trying my new phone to take photographs in very low light.
WOW! Tw-second exposures come out sharp due to image stabilisation. Mysterious light and shade are revealed.
And moonlight and far-distant floodlights give a weird and ethereal image. I still need to post edit if I can work out how to pull the image back to the mysterious darkness instead of looking ten times lighter than I perceived the scene to be.
Interesting!

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 8:19 am

“Garma seems to be Yothu Yindi by another name – just a means of transferring lots of taxpayer money to the Yunupingu clan.”

Of course it is, the whole indigenous industry is a grift.

The Voice will be a massive grift of people like you and me.

Just on the state of this country in 2023, this morning I looked at my Youtube feed and a Youtube video “Australian advertisements from 1981” appeared. I watched the video and it was like I was looking at a different country, a country I don’t recognise anymore. Back in 1981 Australia was a largely homogenous, confident and talented country, a country that believed in itself, a country that has now sadly disappeared.

But further to the “Grift” aka the Voice, if it gets up, this country is over. And you know what, I am as indigenous as the miserable Marcia Langton, as the Marxist Thomas Mayo and as the always aggrieved Pearson.

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 8:19 am

out of touch with real life are Luigi & Charmless? ..
Just been down to ColesWorths, after a week, indoors, with a “Sam Kerr” leg, so $70 of groceries .. all fitz into one bag and able to be carried one handed by a 75yrs OAP plus all of 5 minutes to put away! ..
Yet, this week Luigi throws an extra $40 at “dole” recipients for no better reason than he can plus they’ll get another $16 come the September 20 adjustment so a rise of $56 a fortnight …….
In the “mean”-while OAPs will have to wait until September 20 to be thrown , measly, $23 (estimate) cos according to Charmless inflation & the 6 monthly cost of living index is only worth 2.2% for OAPs by his calculations even tho official inflation is still over 6% .. gotta luv these Treasury issue calculators! .. FFS!
Sooo, at this rate we is soon gonna be at the stage where the “dole” will be rivalling the OAP dollar -wize …..

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 8:20 am

“I have upticked you, Cassie, here in my heart – where it counts.”

Thank you ML.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 8:21 am

Chris, I’m starting to think lugging my great SLR camera with multiple lenses around is a complete waste of time, given the sophistication of phones these days.

Some of the results from phone photography leave my stuff in the dust. I think Matrix’s missus is a seasoned photographer. I’d love to know what she thinks about it.

Chris
Chris
August 5, 2023 8:27 am

Tom, thank you for your service.

Dover, you are a champ.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 5, 2023 8:30 am

Story in todays Oz:

Childhood cancer will be conquered in a generation – The world-leading work of rock star researcher Michelle Haber has improved children’s cancer survival rates by 85 per cent. She says one day soon, cancer will become a manageable disease. How will she do it?

Notwithstanding it looks like another ‘no child will live in poverty by 1990’ moment, take note of the wording – cancer will be conquered by *managing* it, not by *curing* it . Yet another tell on big pharmas business plan – drugs for life makes money for life, curing illness dont.

another ian
another ian
August 5, 2023 8:33 am

FWIW – More sh!t!

“Founder says CIA & FBI control Wikipedia and made it “the most biased encyclopedia” ”

https://joannenova.com.au/2023/08/founder-says-cia-fbi-control-wikipedia-and-made-it-the-most-biased-encyclopedia/

Lists some alternatives

Chris
Chris
August 5, 2023 8:34 am

Calli, I gave up my SLR and two zooms bag for a compact (wanted a Canon G style, got a Nikon P7700) about eight years ago. And Now the phones mean I dont even carry that. I have now adopted a policy of ‘Stop and take the shot’ when I see exciting light, and the shots are paying off.
However, zooms for birds or tight framing of distant things are not well covered.

Drax
Drax
August 5, 2023 8:34 am

Thank you Tom. Saturday breakfast is back to normal.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 8:35 am

Restumping is rather expensive. Not included in the quoted amount was a $18 and some cents Building Permit Number fee, apparently the private permit issuer can’t stump up for that out of his $1700 plus fee for issuing a copy and paste permit to remove and replace. Will someone even come out to do an inspection?
There’s an old seasonal creek (now inside a pipe) across the back of my block, running down to a larger creek that runs into the Yarra, I probably should be grateful, being on a 1200 square metre block I’m not up for having all the soil sieved in case there’s a knapped flint somewhere.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 5, 2023 8:38 am

Forget the ministers, sack every public servant ever involved with Robodebt from the SES level upwards. They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

Paul Kelly in the unlinkable Oz pulls the wings off Holmes’ RC findings against Morrison – particularly around the legal weight of how far down the public service rabbit hole a Minister should reasonably go.

The royal commission brought an ideological framing to its task. At the outset, it said: “An enthusiasm for savings would seem an anathema to the underlying policy and rationale for social security spending.” It reported public servants felt under pressure. Of course they felt under pressure – they are supposed to feel pressure at budget processes.

The conclusion that Morrison was to blame for the failure of the public service to offer frank and fearless advice is arbitrary and confected.

I’m no fan of Scummo, but loading him up with the sins of unaccountable public serpents is political theatre – a script written for horrid Goblin Shorten’s benefit.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 8:39 am

What do you suggest Duk?
Perhaps people should stop having their cancers treated and just die because you don’t like ‘big pharma’ ?
And oncologists don’t claim to cure cancer anyhow.
Getting extra years is the goal.

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 8:40 am

courtesy of CL’s site …….
Have a look at the tix prices for this Garma “come-in-spinner” .. based on the expectation that entry will, mostly, be from the OPM $39billion ..!
https://ibb.co/LdR4YNP

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 8:44 am

Founder says CIA & FBI control Wikipedia and made it “the most biased encyclopedia” ”

I have long since assumed that Wikipedia should never be relied upon for any topic capable of the even the slightest political bias.

And even there I am likely being too generous.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 5, 2023 8:45 am

Whatever dover has done to energise the hamsters seems to have worked a treat. Good job.

132andBush
132andBush
August 5, 2023 8:47 am

Chip Bok very pertinent.

Getting Trump nominated is the only way Dems can win.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 8:49 am

Zoom on phone cameras is indeed rubbish.
My bird pictures never turn out.
Snapped some Cape Barren Geese with chicks at Werribee Zoo yesterday, can barely make out the chicks.
The cheetah though, lying in a nest of straw, right at the viewing window, was ignoring the two adults taking photos but stood up and took a keen interest in my three year old grandson when he approached, grandson quickly hid behind grandma, who generously agreed to be eaten in his place, if the necessity arose.
Got some nice cheetah photos.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 5, 2023 8:50 am

Great Leak on the film crew farce. Quite the atmospheric sketch.
Can we expect some co-ordinated Nayzee marching boys out west?

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 8:54 am

Ramirez should look a little closer at the White House. His TDS has taken out an eye.

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 8:57 am

“I have long since assumed that Wikipedia should never be relied upon for any topic capable of the even the slightest political bias.”

No….no…..no…..you can’t say that! Johnny Pesutto relies on it!

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 8:59 am

I have long since assumed that Wikipedia should never be relied upon for any topic capable of the even the slightest political bias.

Everyone has biases.

As with the space time continuum, there is no fixed point of reference from which the universe of knowledge can be observed with perfect objectivity by a human being.

Unless we’re to retreat into solipsism, we have no option but to work with the sources of knowledge that we have…even Wiki.

Caveat lector.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 8:59 am

Thanks for the camera phone reviews guys…keep them coming.

I often set my camera on to Ludicrous Speed for action shots of animals, and sometimes because I’m moving in a vehicle. I presume mobiles will only do a movie at speed rather than stills.

Also, I’m not convinced that removing people or animals or even trash from a photo enhances it. You are capturing a moment in time after all.

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 9:01 am

A friend of mine’s child was diagnosed with cancer.

It was cured thanks to “big pharma”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 5, 2023 9:01 am

I have upticked you, XXXXX, here in my heart – where it counts

This statement, used dependent on the situation at hand, has the potential for endless comedy vale.

Cassie of Sydney
August 5, 2023 9:02 am

“Rosie
Aug 5, 2023 8:39 AM”

Snap.

Zatara
Zatara
August 5, 2023 9:02 am

Biden approval at 39% as half of Democrat voters say different candidate should be nominated: poll

Just 45% of Democratic voters said the 80-year-old reprobate-in-chief should be renominated.

Even with Biden’s low approval ratings, the other two declared Democratic candidates, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Marianne Williamson, are still polling behind Biden, with 13% of Democratic voters saying they would support Kennedy in the primary and 10% saying they would vote for Williamson.

It’s still very early but that doesn’t appear to bide well for whomever becomes the sacrificial Dem candidate.

Bruce
Bruce
August 5, 2023 9:06 am

A timely thought:

“Any government big enough to give you everything you wasnt, is big enough to TAKE everything you have”.

Tom
Tom
August 5, 2023 9:07 am

Can a computer nerdy Cat explain to me why I can’t find malware programs in my new PC’s installed programs (apps)?

I have picked up a nasty piece of curry-munching malware called spentantazzlize.co.in. If I knew where the program was hiding, I could locate it and remove it.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:08 am

Zat

That would be Newsom. no?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 9:09 am

Indigenous voice to parliament our chance to lift Indigenous lives above lies and insults
marcia langton

12:00AM August 5, 2023
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When Anthony Albanese announced his commitment to the Uluru Statement from the Heart and outlined a draft question at the Garma Festival in July last year, we could not have predicted the viciousness of the opposition to what had been refined into a just, practical and constitutionally sound proposition. In November the Nationals announced their opposition to the question, followed in April by Liberal leader Peter Dutton, who announced his parliamentary party’s hard No position, disallowing a conscience vote.

This alienated not only Julian Leeser, who resigned as opposition Indigenous Australians and legal affairs spokesman, but also other Liberals including premiers who followed him out the door. Former Indigenous Australians minister Ken Wyatt resigned from the party in protest.

The question to be put to the voters is a simple one – it seeks the recognition of Indigenous Australians in the Constitution through a voice that may make representations to the parliament and to the executive government on matters relating to Indigenous people. The “composition, functions, powers and procedures” of this advisory body will be legislated by the parliament and the details determined by the elected parliament – as is the case with much of the Constitution.
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The proposition is the barest measure imaginable that would give Indigenous Australians a formal say in policies and legislation that affect them. The idea was developed by Noel Pearson following the rejection of the expert panel report on constitutional recognition in 2013.

Albanese’s government moved late last year to set up a process to ensure constitutional rigour in the final question. The Referendum Working Group, chaired by Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney, was advised by the Constitutional Working Group and worked with the Referendum Engagement Group. Along with Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and other parliamentary members and senators, Indigenous leaders from around the country have advised the Albanese government on every step of the legal process required to alter the Constitution.

There were several technical, legal and constitutional matters to consider. We met officials from the Australian Electoral Commission who briefed us on their efforts to enrol Indigenous voters and several technical matters. The group was briefed on and agreed to amendments to the Referendum (Machinery Provisions) Act 1984 to overcome its inadequacies in 21st-century Australia. Among other things, it aligns postal voting procedures in referendums with equivalent procedures in federal elections and aligns authorisation requirements with the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. This passed the Senate on March 22 this year.

On March 23, the Referendum Working Group released its advice to the government on the constitutional amendment and referendum question. I attended most of the Referendum Working Group meetings as a member and, not being a lawyer, was fascinated by the ensuing debates when we received the Solicitor-General’s advice. So much can turn on a word – each carries a conceptual history, and tentacles reach into other areas of law. Every risk was carefully and judicially assessed. The resulting final question has the public support of seven retired senior judges, at least two retired High Court judges, and most constitutional experts. The question to be asked of voters is clear and simple: “A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?” After much debate, this question was unanimously supported by the Referendum Working Group. The Constitution Alteration (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice) 2023 passed the Senate on June 19.

Soon, every enrolled voter will receive in the mail a pamphlet as required by law, resulting from the amendments to the Referendum (Machinery Provisions) Act. The Yes case text in the pamphlet is entirely correct while the No case text is largely false.

With the lies from the No case landing in Australian mailboxes stamp-marked from the AEC, many Australians may believe the No pamphlet is accurate. It is most unfortunate there is no legal requirement for factual content. It is a legal loophole that the No case has exploited to hoodwink Australians into voting No with their slogan, “If you don’t know, vote No”.

What a backhander for Australians, who want to be informed and inform themselves. Supporters of the Yes case feel gaslighted and have returned fire with the slogan, “If you don’t know, find out”. Yes advocates who have campaigned for years for this referendum are asking for a simple resolution from the Australian people: that is, recognising the first peoples in the Constitution will be a meaningful and practical way to celebrate and share in 65,000 years of history, unify Australians and send a powerful message to the world about the kind of nation we have created. The voice will make a practical difference in our shared future.

The Opposition Leader met twice with the Referendum Working Group. During the first extraordinary encounter, he told a pointed story about domestic violence in communities from his long-ago time as a police officer. Outside after the second, he referred to the members as the “Canberra elite”.

One of our members was the great Dr Yunupingu, from northeast Arnhem Land, who died just days before Dutton uttered the insult. The overwhelming majority of our members live outside Canberra in their own communities. Dutton’s cliched dismissal of our lives and contributions and the parliamentary process signalled he was only ever going to play politics with a sensible reform that should be discussed with open minds and hearts. It is worth noting that members of the group included people such as Professor Tom Calma, who was the main protagonist who convinced Australian governments to formalise the Close the Gap strategy. Pat Turner convinced Australian governments to sign the national partnership to Close the Gap and collaborate to achieve the new targets.

The public square has been flooded with egregious lies about the referendum proposal. The result has been an upsurge in anti-Aboriginal sentiment and hateful trolling on social media of most Indigenous leaders. The No campaign groups have spent millions of dollars flooding the electorate with disinformation via social media and phone calls. A racist No campaign advertisement published in The Australian Financial Review was withdrawn with an apology after complaints.

Yes advocates have worked respectfully for years to put this simple proposition to our fellow citizens. We conducted Australia’s biggest grassroots engagement involving thousands of Indigenous people across the country. The result was a thorough and thoughtful reflection of their aspirations about recognition in the Constitution, which we are asking Australians to endorse. Thousands were consulted about the design of the voice reported in the Calma-Langton report, approved by Scott Morrison’s cabinet when Dutton was a member. Meanwhile, governments have not listened, and Closing the Gap metrics show the deteriorating life chances for most Indigenous Australians.

It is alarming yet unsurprising that politicians and some aspirants have been prepared to set up Indigenous people and their advocates for abuse and vilification for nothing more than transactional electoral motivations. Millions of Indigenous and non-Indigenous people are hoping we are all better than that; so many lives and our future rely on it. If the Opposition Leader were at the Garma Festival this weekend, listening, he would grasp why First Peoples respectfully ask him and all Australians to recognise us in the Constitution through a practical advisory body.

Marcia Langton is the Redmond Barry Distinguished Professor at the University of Melbourne.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 9:12 am

I would distinguish between an agenda based bias, and the inevitable perspective based biases of normal life.

There is only so much bias can be loaded into the anatomy of wasp. I can even accept that there may be debates about the function of some organ or space, and that old ideas are overturned by new observations.

But an article on Climate Change?

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:13 am

Some of the results from phone photography leave my stuff in the dust.

I’m from a family of seasoned photographers – one makes a living from it. There are expensive abandoned cameras and lenses etc living in various cupboards in my house that now rarely see the light of day.

My latest phone camera has enabled me to achieve results I spent years working at with the latest model traditional camera, including wonderful photos of the full moon and the Milky Way earlier this year. All achieved with minimal effort and without even a tripod.

The fact it fits in my pocket and does not involve lugging neck or shoulder straining camera bags, espcially on long overseas trips makes it a no brainer for me. They are a lot of fun to play with which is added bonus IMHO.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 9:14 am

The proposition is the barest measure imaginable that would give Indigenous Australians a formal say in policies and legislation that affect them.

They have that “say” already, Marcia.

If you start your tirade with a lie, don’t expect me to read the rest. Bugger off.

Indolent
Indolent
August 5, 2023 9:15 am

He’s gone, probably for 2028 too. The base are very feral right now. The only way he can get back is to say the NYT report is false, and then to support Trump in the claim that 2020 was stolen, which it clearly was. He won’t do that because he’s too close to the GOP elites and their donors, and he’s already short of money.

This is when I miss the tick button. I totally agree with this.

Yesterday there were a couple of comments that had me laughing out loud and I would have loved to have been able to approve them.

Zatara
Zatara
August 5, 2023 9:15 am

JC

I’d be shocked if Newsom makes it into the finals. Cultural marxism and the results of decades of shite Democrat policies/actions/corruption are really taking a toll on public opinion of Dem candidates at the moment.

And Newsom is the posterboy for that stuff.

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:15 am

And a big joyful welcome back to Tom and the ‘toons. My mornings have been ever so slightly off-centre without them.

Thanks for all your hard work, Tom. Especially the technology grappling.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:17 am

Roger
Aug 5, 2023 7:56 AM
Navalny sentenced to 19 years on trumped up charges.

Ha, punful.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:18 am

I would distinguish between an agenda based bias, and the inevitable perspective based biases of normal life.

Even knowledge of what your enemy wants you to think can be valuable knowledge.

As to Wiki, I find the references the most useful thing about it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 9:19 am

Before this time next year Albo is garma have to clear out The Lodge and join SloMo traipsing around trying to find a publisher for his memoir, “Recollections of an 18 Year Old Trot”.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:20 am

Ha, punful.

Well I’m glad someone got it! 😀

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:20 am

Indigenous voice to parliament our chance to lift Indigenous lives above lies and insults
marcia langton

Most of the lies and insults are coming from the likes of the author and supporters on the YES side of the fence.

They are too stupid to realise the more they do that, the less sympathetic the rest of us become. This is not heading anywhere good.

Bruce
Bruce
August 5, 2023 9:20 am

The Ramirez ‘toon of the two figures looking at the Constitution would work even better if the “Trump” character were replaced by the current pResident”

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:21 am

Ramirez has severe TDS.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:21 am

Zat

He’d become the official Demonic candidate. But think this though, demons don’t think there’s anything wrong.

RFK should be the one, but the DNC won’t allow it.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 9:21 am

Thanks for the camera vs phone input, Megan, especially on stargazing.

Northern lights in a few months’ time so I’m struggling with how to do low light photography on the move. I don’t want to lug a tripod as well as all the other stuff.

cohenite
August 5, 2023 9:22 am

Good toons. It’s a shame that TDS has fried ramirez’s brain. This Branco one is what I’ve been saying for a while

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shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 9:22 am

“It was cured thanks to “big pharma”.
Yep! have to agree ..!
if it hadn’t of been for the chemo drugs I’d of been ‘brown bread” way back in 2012 ..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 9:24 am

Duk at 8:30.

Notwithstanding it looks like another ‘no child will live in poverty by 1990’ moment, take note of the wording – cancer will be conquered by *managing* it, not by *curing* it . Yet another tell on big pharmas business plan – drugs for life makes money for life, curing illness dont.

What is your solution to this “problem”, champ?

Crossie
Crossie
August 5, 2023 9:25 am

I have long since assumed that Wikipedia should never be relied upon for any topic capable of the even the slightest political bias.

And even there I am likely being too generous.

I only use it to check plants for scientific names and such details. The other use is to check famous people’s birthdates, things that are not likely to have been manipulated.

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:27 am

Zoom on phone cameras is indeed rubbish

Not on mine. Brilliant results with night sky and celestial objects. Moon captures can require a bit of patience if you are without a tripod but I’ve been both surprised and delighted by the results

Vagabond
Vagabond
August 5, 2023 9:27 am

Dr Faustus
Aug 5, 2023 8:45 AM
Whatever dover has done to energise the hamsters seems to have worked a treat. Good job.

True, but on my machine they turn up their noses at Firefox and Opera. I can only read the Cat using Chrome. Are others experiencing that too?

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 9:28 am

The AEC approved issuing a pamphlet of No lies?
Somehow I think the claimant is lying.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 9:31 am

I would say we have descended into puns but I may have committed one myself. What next? Sarcasm?

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 5, 2023 9:35 am

Rosie
Aug 5, 2023 8:39 AM
What do you suggest Duk?
Perhaps people should stop having their cancers treated and just die because you don’t like ‘big pharma’ ?
And oncologists don’t claim to cure cancer anyhow.
Getting extra years is the goal.

OK, answer this – do you want your cancer (or diabetes, or autoimmune disease, or hypertension, or obesity or ……) cured, or do you want it ‘managed’ for the rest of your life – using drugs that have longterm costs and side effects ? – we know what the drug companies want.

Crossie
Crossie
August 5, 2023 9:35 am

cohenite
Aug 5, 2023 9:22 AM
Good toons. It’s a shame that TDS has fried ramirez’s brain. This Branco one is what I’ve been saying for a while

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I’m afraid it’s heading that way since all the indictments are not denting Trump’s popularity but enhancing it.

If a Democrat candidate were subjected to such treatment the entire Dem establishment would be up in arms so I am shocked at the Republicans’ tepid reaction. They will regret it.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 9:35 am

As I said I’ve only zoomed for birds (and a dead rat), the pictures end up indistinct (pixels too big?l.
Maybe phones are okay for very very far away.
One brother is a very successful amateur photographer with many followers on instagram.
I know a couple of professionals who’ve had to give it away, no money in it.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 9:35 am

Even knowledge of what your enemy wants you to think can be valuable knowledge.

You never have to go looking for that – they will find you wherever you are.

But, yes. If it is a contentious issue you can get some great pointers to a informative sources in the form of Wikipedia dismissing them and what they say.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:39 am

Duk

A large of the breakthrough drugs are created by small pharma. Big pharma buys them after FDA approval. There is no impediment stopping these small firms from going after drugs that actually cure.

These are expensive as a one time/ short term dosage. See drug curing hepatitis.

Crossie
Crossie
August 5, 2023 9:39 am

Megan
Aug 5, 2023 9:27 AM
Zoom on phone cameras is indeed rubbish

Not on mine. Brilliant results with night sky and celestial objects. Moon captures can require a bit of patience if you are without a tripod but I’ve been both surprised and delighted by the results

I have a top of the line iPhone 13 yet my photos are nowhere near as good as those taken by my son-in-law with his Samsung, particularly nighttime sky shots.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:39 am

This is not heading anywhere good.

I would hope that the failure of the referendum would lead to a constructive discussion about the privileges of citizenship and the nature of our polity leading to a reset from the identity politics that the Voice is an egregious example of.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:40 am

Number

Indolent
Indolent
August 5, 2023 9:40 am
Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:40 am

Photos of the Northern Lights are on my bucket list, calli. My phone is the next -to-latest Samsung Galaxy. The family iPhone owners continually gave me stick over it in the past but have become strangely silent since this new one appeared on the scene.

Samsung’s super-power is low light photography. I’ve been winning that battle against my iPhone friends for quite a few years at least but each new iteration ups the ante just that bit more.

Japanese and S. Korean camera manufacturers are genius.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:41 am

I see the half-wits in the msm have taken to calling Jodie Haydon “Australia’s First Lady.”

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 9:42 am

we know what the drug companies want.

Do we, or is just you?
Drug companies have found cures for many diseases, but not being god oracles maybe the breakthroughs needed for diabetes and cancer have yet to be found, or may never be found.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 9:43 am

Prediction: Jack Smith Will Get a DC Jury to Convict Trump and SCOTUS Will Vacate It. In Fact, Smith Is Counting on It

He better kill the king, because the king will kill himl. See dersh’s comments

https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/02/thats-how-serious-this-is-alan-dershowitz-says-jack-smith-may-be-indicted-if-trump-wins-case/

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:44 am

Tony “war criminal” Blair is spreading his digital ID propaganda around the World

Katy Gallagher hopes to have a digital ID Bill before parliament before the end of the year/her political demise – whichever comes sooner.

The Liberals kicked the process off, btw.

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 9:44 am

I would hope that the failure of the referendum would lead to a constructive discussion…

I would too, Roger. Sadly, until our education systems have the current woke, content free and critical thinking diminishment, reamed out and blasted into deep space, we are just going to get more of the same.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:46 am

‘”Australia’s First Lady” attends Garma with PM.’

Perhaps she’ll wear her Treaty t-shirt.

Rosie
Rosie
August 5, 2023 9:46 am

I don’t know, Clifton Oliver died after a ‘lengthy illness’ was gay and had been in hospital and hospice care for the last six weeks.
Must have been the vaxx.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 9:47 am

Ramirez has severe TDS.

I think he is a bit like Bolt.

Bolt seems to dislike Trump because he is not the polite well-mannered young man that you would want your daughter to invite to Sunday lunch.

As far as he is concerned kicking Trump out because of some perceived faux pas is the right thing to do regardless off the villainy of the Democrats.

If the Dems make the contest dirty then it is better to forfeit and leave them to win by default, than to get a speck of mud on your shoes.

The strategy has a long history of electoral loss, and it was amazing to see how unprepared for it the Dems were in the campaigning season of 2015 when Trump fought back.

Rabz
August 5, 2023 9:48 am

Talk about bill shock – council rates have only gone up 4.5% and no new land tax bill.

Any NSW Cats know anything about the latter? I received a land “revaluation” from the NSW office of state extortion three years ago that jacked up my council rates by $75 a quarter. Latest one was presumably due this year.

Or was it abolished as part of Parrothead and manboobs Keane’s land tax “reforms”?

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 9:49 am

First we had trains vs. trucks

Now smartphones vs SLRs. 😀

There’s only one solution…I’m going to take my Samsun Galaxy along with me a d do a comparison. It usually sits on the kitchen bench when I’m away – I want to actually be away, not at the beck and call of scammers. Anyone who knows me can email.

But not this time. The phone gets an overseas holiday.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 5, 2023 9:50 am

Watching the shoplifter cop a flogging was epic. The Korean shop owners from the LA riots nod their head in approval.

Fleccas Talks:

THIS WEEK IN CULTURE #159

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:51 am

I would too, Roger. Sadly…

Yes, I know, Megan.

But if the referendum has done one good thing it has prompted ordinary people to reflect on these matters. Even if they can’t articulate it in political language they know granting privileges to people on the basis of “race” and “identity” is not where they want Australia to go.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 9:51 am

Northern lights in a few months’ time so I’m struggling with how to do low light photography on the move. I don’t want to lug a tripod as well as all the other stuff.

The other people on the train don’t want that either!

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 9:52 am

Bing Bong.
Smart phones all the way.
Bing Bong.

Rabz
August 5, 2023 9:53 am

The gliberals kicked the process off, btw.

Funny that. They kicked the “misinformation” legislation process off as well. Because as we now know – “free speech doesn’t create any jerbs and proles have a right to be big bigotty bigots”.

Goose Morristeen – worst prime minister in my lifetime with daylight second.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 5, 2023 9:54 am

Indolent – ZH has this good article pinned today.

Jim Kunstler Fears “Civic Upheaval” From ‘A Final Desperate Diversion’ By Our “Lawless, Faithless, Clueless Government” (5 Aug)

So, the best they could do was to charge Mr. Trump with objecting vocally to an election that looked as rotten as Hunter’s uncapped teeth?

We all saw what happened overnight November 3 and 4, 2020:

– what the numbers looked like in the swing precincts at midnight and the magic mathematics that swapped tens of thousands of votes over from the Trump column to the Biden column (say, whu?) …

– the shutdown of the Fulton County State Farm Arena due to a supposedly leaking toilet and the ensuing monkey business with rolly-bags full of ballots under the tables captured by the closed-circuit cameras…

– the miraculous wee-hour harvest of ballots in Milwaukee…

– US Postal Service truck full of completed ballots out of Bethpage, Long Island, that turned up in Philadelphia…

– Mark Zuckerberg’s $419-million-dollar operation using two front orgs, the Center for Technology and Civic Life (CTCL) and the Center for Election Innovation and Research (CEIR) to staff precinct election boards with party shills and buy votes…

– the thumb drives and modems in the vote-counting machines….

Lots more than that of course, the Dems pulled out all the stops Tammany Hall-style, but it’s a useful summary. The guy is very pessimistic about the US ever getting back from it.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 9:57 am

Watching the shoplifter cop a flogging was epic.

Defunding the Stockton police leads to unintended consequences that were entirely predictable by anyone not beholden to the prog-left dogma of the fundamental goodness of human beings.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 9:57 am

I would say we have descended into puns but I may have committed one myself. What next? Sarcasm?

Like Doug Piranha?

Rabz
August 5, 2023 9:57 am

that effwit vacuous female moron, Annelise Nielsen

Indeed, Cass. I had to invent a new word to semi-adequately describe what I think of her.

Everything that is wrong with this country’s braindead lamestream meeja personified.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 9:58 am

I would hope that the failure of the referendum would lead to a constructive discussion about the privileges of citizenship and the nature of our polity leading to a reset from the identity politics that the Voice is an egregious example of.

Oh Roger …

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 10:00 am

OK, answer this – do you want your cancer (or diabetes, or autoimmune disease, or hypertension, or obesity or ……) cured, or do you want it ‘managed’ for the rest of your life – 

Firstly, the original subject was childhood cancers, so let’s not muddy the waters with diabetes etc.
You assume the “either/or” option exists.
That there is a cure, presumably being suppressed by Dark Forces, in favour of long term drug therapy.
Tell us.
Have you ever profited from assisting a procedure which you knew or suspected wasn’t a complete and permanent cure?
#glasshouses

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 10:02 am

I would hope that the failure of the referendum would lead to a constructive discussion about the privileges of citizenship and the nature of our polity leading to a reset from the identity politics that the Voice is an egregious example of.

I wish I shared your optimism. I just see the failure of the referendum as leading to a deepening of the air of smoldering resentment that’s beginning to characterize this counties relationship with the Indigenous peoples.

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 10:02 am

As I said I’ve only zoomed for birds (and a dead rat), the pictures end up indistinct (pixels too big?l.

More likely to be slow auto-focus, rosie. Moving objects won’t wait around while the phone camera ‘brain’ tries to adjust . Burst mode can often help you with this.

One of favourite photos, taken with my now ancient Note 8, is a white sea eagle in flight over Peregian Beach. He was battling a strong headwind which slowed him down enough for the phone to line him up correctly.

Mind you, each of those Samsung phones cost more than my old reliable Canon DSLR and its additional lenses. They are not at all a cheap alternative. I’d probably be willing to give up food which my body would probably thank me for, than give up my phone camera.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 5, 2023 10:03 am

Drug companies have found cures for many diseases, but not being god oracles maybe the breakthroughs needed for diabetes and cancer have yet to be found, or may never be found.

Pro tip, drug companies principally sell *drugs* not cures – why do you think their biggest profit lines are statins, oral hypoglycaemics, antihypertensives, NSAIDS – and, lately, COVID vaxxes?

The relatively few ‘cures’ they sell (antibiotics spring to mind) make them pennies in comparison and are mere smokescreens for their real money spinners. They are, however, useful as cover to fool the public into reflexively defending them as good corporate citizens – as some of the bien pensants here have rushed to do 😉 . It a bit like councils telling you that you ‘can use the library’ as they busily spend your rate money on LGBTQETC zebra crossings and 15 minute cities.

Frank
Frank
August 5, 2023 10:03 am

The other use is to check famous people’s birthdates, things that are not likely to have been manipulated.

Apart from the long history of starlets lying about their age.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 5, 2023 10:05 am

What next? Sarcasm?

Like Doug Piranha?

Doug and Dinsdale Pirhana. Forgotten heroes.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 10:07 am

Goose Morristeen – worst prime minister in my lifetime with daylight second.

Mmm…quite a few to choose from.

Whitlam’s sponsorship of remote community living has has inflicted a wound on the nation that continues to fester.

Howard’s wars with veterans subsequently swept under the carpet or labelled war criminals.

Rudd-Gillard’s loss of control of the borders.

Political competency is a rare gift.

Megan
Megan
August 5, 2023 10:08 am

Righty-oh. I’ve taken this morning to take what my Scottish dad would refer to as a ‘hurkle-durkle’* and my breakfast coffee is calling. Au voir.

*lounging about in bed long after usual get up time has passed.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 10:08 am

Oh Roger …

It’s a hope….without hope there is only despair.

Or emigration, and I’m too old for that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 10:08 am

Whitlam’s sponsorship of remote community living has has inflicted a wound on the nation that continues to fester.

Whitlam took a nation of lifters, and left it a nation of leaners.

Chris
Chris
August 5, 2023 10:10 am

West Australia government to scrap controversial ‘botched’ Aboriginal cultural heritage laws within days
The WA government is set to scrap the divisive new Aboriginal heritage laws that sparked widespread confusion and outrage among farmers.
The controversial Aboriginal cultural heritage laws that prompted an army of outraged farmers to rally in an outback hall last month are set to be scrapped, according to new reports.

Western Australian Premier Roger Cook and the state’s Minister for Aboriginal Affairs Tony Buti are expected to make an announcement on the divisive Aboriginal cultural heritage laws early next week, the ABC reports.
The backflip comes after months of confusion and controversy over the new laws, which took effect on July 1 and imposed harsh penalties for damaging sites of traditional significance.

Opposition was led by farmers groups, including WA Farmers and the Pastoralists and Graziers Association, as well as WA’s opposition Coalition, and federal Nationals leader David Littleproud.

It is understood, the ABC reports, that WA will revert to operating under the former 1972 Aboriginal Heritage Act.

The new laws were introduced after “extensive consultation” and to heighten protection of cultural sites following the destruction of the ancient Juukan Gorge by Rio Tinto in May 2020.
The updated laws required some landholders to undertake detailed and expensive assessments through a new Local Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Service (LACHS) to determine whether a project will cause “harm” to cultural heritage.

Under a complex three-tiered system, any maintenance or demolition that involves removing more than four kilograms of material, disturbing more than 10 square metres of ground or excavating to a depth of more than 50 centimetres may require a permit from the LACHS.

An exemption would apply for all residential properties under 1100 square metres and for maintenance and “like-for-like” activities – such as planting crops, running livestock or replacing a fence.
The landowner would be required to pay the LACHS to assess their application – which requires specific consultants that can charge hundreds of dollars per hour.

Penalties for damaging a cultural heritage site range from $25,000 to $1 million for individuals and $250,000 to $10 million for corporations, as well as jail time.
But despite insisting there were exemptions, WA farmers were quick to criticise the laws, saying the new system was too confusing, too time consuming, too expensive, and possibly open to abuse.

Weeks after the laws came into effect, hundreds of farmers and landowners packed a hall in Katanning, about 277 kilometres southeast of Perth, to voice these concerns at the meeting attended by high-profile politicians and industry representatives including federal Nationals leader David Littleproud.

Mr Littleproud told news.com.au after the meeting that the “anxiety in the west is palpable” and criticised laws for creating a “point of tension and division [farmers and local Indigenous people] haven’t had before”.

He described the laws as a “government overreach” by the WA leadership, and warned of a potential copycat laws to be introduced at a federal level.

WA Labor MP Darren West was the only representative of his party to attend the Katanning meeting, and conceded to the farmers the government had “botched” the messaging about the laws.

Despite the laws passed in 2021 with support from WA’s Nationals and Liberal parties, the opposition parties say it is a move they have come to regret.

WA Liberal leader Libby Mettam said the state Labor government’s potential backflip on the divisive laws was a “great win for landowners”, calling them “shambolic from the start”.
“We understand the Labor government will backflip on the Aboriginal cultural heritage act laws that they introduced earlier in the year,” Ms Mettam told the ABC.

“We‘ve always committed to scrapping the cultural heritage act and going back to the drawing board.

“They were quite clearly an overreach on private property rights. They went way too far.”

Note the tone of the article – not a parasitic state smashing the innocent with costs to display our rulers’ moral superiority, but the unwashed white males exploding despite awesome awesomeness of our betters.

Roger
Roger
August 5, 2023 10:11 am

Anyway, I’m prepared to do my bit in what has to be a grass roots movement.

Our politcians – with a few notable exceptions – are not to be relied upon, as noted above.

Jorge
Jorge
August 5, 2023 10:13 am

There are some sportsmen for whom we should all be grateful.

They don’t give interviews and they don’t voice opinions. They just play.

Buddy Franklin.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 10:16 am

Roger

Aug 5, 2023 9:51 AM

I would too, Roger. Sadly…

Yes, I know, Megan.

But if the referendum has done one good thing it has prompted ordinary people to reflect on these matters. 

More than that.
If it is defeated, it creates a platform to challenge the creeping “pay the rent” ticket clipping at state and local government levels and even voluntarily by Big Corporates.
It might embolden people to mount a High Court challenge to things like the $16k cultural heritage review on a reno mentioned by JC yesterday.
Pretty hard to argue something is Constitutional if that specific framework has just been belted in a Referendum.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 5, 2023 10:16 am

bien-pensants

conventional or orthodox in attitude

The takeaway bullet points I’m getting for this component of discussions today are:

1. People – adults or children – who are diagnosed with various prematurely-life-ending cancers should refuse treatments that could potentially extend their lives by years on moral grounds; or possibly

2. Big Pharma cured cancer long ago but kept it a secret, buried in the tunnels.

Hard to tell.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 10:17 am

It is understood, the ABC reports, that WA will revert to operating under the former 1972 Aboriginal Heritage Act.

The act that a local businessman is facing a $200,000 legal bill, for daring to upset the fvcking Wagyl, by building a culvert on his property?

Chris
Chris
August 5, 2023 10:18 am

2. Big Pharma cured cancer long ago but kept it a secret, buried in the tunnels.

Along with the oil companies hiding the amazing invention of engines that run on water.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 5, 2023 10:19 am

Soon, every enrolled voter will receive in the mail a pamphlet as required by law, resulting from the amendments to the Referendum (Machinery Provisions) Act. The Yes case text in the pamphlet is entirely correct while the No case text is largely false.

Marcia Langton: Redmond Barry Distinguished Professor at the University of Melbourne

Both the Yes and No pamphlets appear to present their cases fairly and without hyperbole or obvious falsehoods – however both express opinions.

Professor Langton is confusing her preferred choice of opining with “entirely correct” and “largely false”.

With the lies from the No case landing in Australian mailboxes stamp-marked from the AEC, many Australians may believe the No pamphlet is accurate. It is most unfortunate there is no legal requirement for factual content. It is a legal loophole that the No case has exploited to hoodwink Australians into voting No with their slogan, “If you don’t know, vote No”.

Her descent into name calling and accusations of “lies”, “legal loophole”, “exploited to hoodwink” – without citing a single example (which should be a simple matter, given the No Case is ‘largely false’) – underscores the whole carefully crafted and emotive humbuggery of the Ulu?u Statement.

Instructive that (aside from Greg Craven’s squeal of alarm at being accurately quoted by the No Case) Yes Champions, like their ABC and Malcolm’s Grauniad, haven’t produced line-by-line fact-checking to punt the No Case as a tissue of Grampian Nasty Deceit.

This is the fly blown shite that passes for serious public debate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 10:26 am

feelthebern

Aug 5, 2023 9:52 AM

Bing Bong.
Smart phones all the way.
Bing Bong.

Please.
If we can’t have upticks, we are sooo not having Bing-Bongs.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 5, 2023 10:27 am

There’s the sad fact that all the indig overreach has kept cultural heritage untraced and undercover because farmers won’t come forward with knowledge of sites and artifacts.

I know plenty of families who have stone tools in safe keeping but don’t dare to give them to anyone involved in government or an indig groups.

The whole system is achieving the exact opposite of stated intentions. We should have a scheme where people can surrender these items without facing land lockdown while they scour the countryside to looking for a reason to make your farm an unproductive heritage museum.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 5, 2023 10:27 am

Dover – Just a note on blog performance. I’m currently seeing it updating exactly once per hour at 8:15, 9:15 and now 10:15 am. Until it updates no comment between those times is visible, including any I post myself.

Not saying that is bad, just reporting it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 10:29 am

Yes, settling on an Indigenous treaty is the right thing to do
peter van onselen Follow @vanOnselenP peter van onselen

12:00AM August 5, 2023
44 Comments

This weekend Anthony Albanese is addressing the Garma Festival, a crowd positively disposed towards his proposed Indigenous voice to parliament. Despite the Prime Minister’s best efforts, however, the Yes campaign continues to flounder among mainstream Australians. Albanese has admitted support for his referendum to give Indigenous Australians a voice in the Constitution is trending in the wrong direction, which has been confirmed by recent opinion polls.

Unless something changes dramatically before the referendum, due later this year, it will surely fail. Albanese has rejected delaying it to try to rebuild support.

Harry S. Truman once said “If you can’t convince them, confuse them.” While that certainly is the prescribed tactic of voice opponents, advocates unwittingly have adhered to the same script. Few Australians understand what an Indigenous voice to parliament entails, much less why it needs to be constitutionally enshrined when it can be legislated. If the referendum question were merely to include Indigenous recognition in the Constitution it would succeed in a canter, much like the 1967 referendum on Indigenous rights did. But crafted as a voice it raises more questions than it answers.

Now the No case has another meaty scare campaign it can tap into ahead of the vote: that the voice (whatever it is) is a precursor to a treaty. Polls by JWS Research and Essential in 2016 and 2019 respectively found 59 per cent of voters supported a treaty with Indigenous Australians, but I suspect that figure would be much lower today. The No campaign certainly thinks so.

Albanese wants to dismiss links between the voice and a treaty as a red herring. It is anything but. In May Albanese was asked if the voice would lead to a treaty and truth-telling. He said “they are very much a part of the next phase”. Yes, they are. The Uluru statement calls for the voice, once in place, to be followed up with a Makarrata commission that would oversee the crafting of a treaty.

Don’t take my word for it, or the demands explicitly spelled out in the Uluru statement. Not that long ago Albanese said: “One of the things that a voice to parliament would be able to do is talk about Makarrata, the need for agreement-making and coming together after a conflict.” In other words, the voice is the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end when it comes to reconciliation with Indigenous Australians.

Plenty of advocates for the voice also have spruiked the natural next steps towards a treaty once the voice is in place. Thomas Mayo, who sits on the board of Australians for Indigenous Constitutional Recognition, said: “We need the power of the Constitution behind us so we can organise like we’ve never organised before.”

He also co-wrote The Voice to Parliament Handbook and hopes it is followed up with “reparations and compensation”, important components of any formalised treaty. While Albanese has implored the media not to conflate the views of voice advocates such as Mayo with the debate at hand, not doing so would be a dereliction of journalistic duty.

The “what comes next” discussion is absolutely relevant for anyone casting an informed vote.

Ideological opponents of the voice encouraged by the contents of this opinion piece so far might want to avoid reading any further. Because it just so happens that I’m in favour of a treaty, which is therefore a reason to vote Yes for the voice even though I don’t believe it needs to be constitutionally enshrined. Why the brains trust pushing for a constitutionally enshrined voice didn’t advocate for a referendum solely about constitutional recognition – thereafter legislating the voice instead of constitutionally enshrining it – is beyond me. The path taken has put the entire cause of Indigenous rights unnecessarily in harm’s way, including the natural next steps.

Of course there should be a formal treaty. Not having one means the colonisation of this continent and the 1901 establishment of nationhood occurred without official recognition of Aboriginal people despite thousands of years of residency on this continent. Not having a treaty allows otherwise unifying welcome to country ceremonies to appear inherently divisive, with references to sover­eignty never having been ceded.

When I first heard such references in welcome to country ceremonies I wasn’t sure they were appropriate. But I now realise for Indigenous Australians it is an understandable sentiment given the lack of official recognition they have received for much of the past 250 years. Only a treaty can address this. If the voice fails it will set back such efforts for decades.

While talk of treaties probably helps the No camp muddy the debate, complicating the messaging of the Yes side, that is unfortunate because a treaty should be seen as a worthy goal. The Yes campaign has already overcomplicated what should have been a simple proposition: support for recognition of Indigenous Australians in the Constitution, leaving the rest to the parliament. The voice campaign is serving as a reminder of just how hard achieving change can be. Republican campaigners learnt that lesson the hard way nearly a quarter of a century ago. But conservatives understand change is difficult for good reason: so it isn’t entered into lightly.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 10:30 am
calli
calli
August 5, 2023 10:32 am

Bruce, mine is updating instantly. I’m on an iPad, Safari using Google as the search engine.

Probably not sophisticated, but the thing works.

miltonf
miltonf
August 5, 2023 10:35 am

The whole system is achieving the exact opposite of stated intentions. We should have a scheme where people can surrender these items without facing land lockdown while they scour the countryside to looking for a reason to make your farm an unproductive heritage museum.

‘stated’ being the operative word- it’s really a marxist assault on productive people and property rights. Horribly fascinating that many of these ‘activists’ turn out to be old commos. It’s all about marx, aboriginal advancement is just a cloak.

calli
calli
August 5, 2023 10:35 am

On Langton and her mendacity and bullying, I think our glorious PM says it best.

miltonf
miltonf
August 5, 2023 10:37 am

Just as they started a race war in the US, they want the same here. Division not unity aka marxist identity politics.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 10:45 am

Coupe
2 hours ago
You first, Peter.

Give your job and your land back to its “traditional owner”. That can be your “treaty”.

Lead by example.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 5, 2023 10:47 am

I had a Canon A1 film camera in the late 70’s. Trying to get the right shot was so hard. One scene at the end of the street with low light sundown, water, mist and swans took 4 rolls of 36 frames to get 1 that was not even close to what I saw. It looked good but not how it was. Writing down the settings and a light meter helped. Camera and lenses got stolen out of back of idiot BiL’s 4wd left unlocked at Ningaloo Reef. Phone camera shots all look alike.

Frank
Frank
August 5, 2023 10:49 am

Mike Carlton is a fan of sunning the pork and beans on the beach.

Many regular Whale Beachgoers are “desensitised” by the act, which some describe it being as common as the sunrise.

Other say they were “shocked” and some a little “offended”.

“You know those people who have big characters? That’s him. It is like he is waiting for everyone to approach him. And so they purposely don’t,” said one neighbour.

Sex offenders registry material.

johanna
johanna
August 5, 2023 10:49 am

Site is also working fine for me – HP desktop/Firefox/W10.

Thanks Dover!

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 10:51 am

If your a NSW country OAP ya’ve just been ripped off by Ho Chi Minns ..! he’s cancelled your $250 fuel rebate card .. replaced it wiv a 4cents a litre off United Petrol card ..
Gonna take a long time to get yer $250 (a year) worth of petrol at 4 cents a litre discount
Only advantage is it now applies to ALL NSW OAPs …… city folk weren’t eligible before ..!
https://www.abc.net.au/news

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 10:51 am

Pro tip, drug companies principally sell *drugs* not cures – why do you think their biggest profit lines are statins, oral hypoglycaemics, antihypertensives, NSAIDS – and, lately, COVID vaxxes?

Well, duh.
Businesses are in business to make a profit.
Presumably you didn’t administer the laughing gas for free?
“Oooh, I think that goes under item 468 not item 326. Ker-ching!”
But enough of the diversions.
We are talking about childhood cancers.
What say you?
Should parents accept the life-saving drugs?
Or man the Big Pharma in Tunnels barricades with Duk?
It’s a tough one.

Makka
Makka
August 5, 2023 10:58 am

Remember what you are fighting (and dying) for…

https://twitter.com/HarveyWall8angR/status/1687623320630394880

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 10:58 am

‘”Australia’s First Lady” attends Garma with PM.’

No need to be narkie .. someone has to tie the bloke’s shoelaces every morning .. LOL!

shatterzzz
August 5, 2023 11:03 am

Just a note on blog performance. I’m currently seeing it updating exactly once per hour at 8:15, 9:15 and now 10:15 am. Until it updates no comment between those times is visible, including any I post myself.
Not saying that is bad, just reporting it.

Just presh “refresh” and it will update almost instantly ………

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 11:07 am

Of course there should be a formal treaty. Not having one means the colonisation of this continent and the 1901 establishment of nationhood occurred without official recognition of Aboriginal people despite thousands of years of residency on this continent

Solid serve of wrongology from the Prof with the usual ahistorical revisionism so favoured by the academy. He was a great loss to

The Project

.

Damon
Damon
August 5, 2023 11:07 am

” I just see the failure of the referendum as leading to a deepening of the air of smoldering resentment that’s beginning to characterize this counties relationship with the Indigenous peoples”

Indigenous activists have no interest in any measures towards ‘reconciliatiob’ that would tend to diminish their power. ‘Truth telling’ will be amusing, but will be simply a catalogue of every possible sin/crime (real or imaginary) that can possibly be attributed to the white (aka non-aboriginal) man.

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 11:09 am

In fact, there are some malignancies for which there are one time treatments on the market. One-time medications can treat some blood malignancies.
They can cost up to US 200K per cure.

Additionally, a lot of work is being done by one-stop shops financed by private equity.The idea that the pharma business incontestable is loaded with leftwing delusions, and because of the covid bullshit it’s started to infect the Right now.
There are a lots of small pharmas battling away in this sector.

The majority of the time, discoveries aren’t being made in big pharma. It’s being carried out in tiny labs financed by private equity. These medications become targets for big pharma once they undergo the rigorous FDA process.

Thanks to Trump, he began to streamline a lot of this tangled up process through the FDA.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 11:12 am

Mike Carlton is a fan of sunning the pork and beans on the beach

Thank God for paywalls. Thanks Rupe!

JC
JC
August 5, 2023 11:13 am

My cousin in law currently works for a small pharma as the senior science honcho, and is about to be acquired by one of the big majors because of a drug that’s been found to cure some ailment as a one time thing.

Recurring drugs lose the patents too.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 11:25 am

Basically a lot of pharma works on the same model as mining exploration and software development. Done by minors on the smell of an oily rag. If it works – the majors come in and snaffle them up and everybody makes a couple of hundred million. If not they go bust at some point and set off down a different path.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 5, 2023 11:26 am

Just presh “refresh” and it will update almost instantly ………

Shatterzzz – Nope, tried refresh button, F5 and Ctl-R, none of them work.
Tried clearing cache and history.
Tried changing VPN server.
Tried a different computer.
Tried each possible link on the main page and side bar.
It updates at 15 minutes past the hour, as it just did for me at 11:15.
Didn’t try a different browser, I will not use Edge nor Chrome. Both those companies are evil.

John H.
John H.
August 5, 2023 11:29 am

Rosie
Aug 5, 2023 9:42 AM
we know what the drug companies want.

Do we, or is just you?
Drug companies have found cures for many diseases, but not being god oracles maybe the breakthroughs needed for diabetes and cancer have yet to be found, or may never be found.

“In my view,” he said, “cancer is a problem that will be part of human life for a long time, if not forever … and I expect that therapy will be slow to come. Even when new therapeutics schemes come, the plasticity of tumor cells will make it very difficult to effect total cures. For those who hope for rapid progress, this is clearly a pessimistic view.” But, disturbed by his own pessimism, he concluded, “But results will come, and we, as a nation, must maintain our commitment to finding everything we can about the disease and to try in every way possible to prevent or cure it. There is, of course, the real possibility that my whole analysis is wrong and that there lie out there magic bullets that will make a huge impact on cancer mortality rates in a relatively short time. To have judged so completely wrong would give me great pleasure.”

Ahead of the Curve: David Baltimore’s Life in Science, Shane Grotty

This was written over a decade ago. It is still true. Anyone who thinks the problem is hidden or easy doesn’t have a clue about cell biology. Baltimore was one of the most biomed brilliant researchers. Who should I trust? People who refuse to acknowledge that modern medicine is increasing lifespan and quality of life or people who have the runs on the board? People don’t have any idea how complex these issues are. They want simple explanations which isn’t possible without being deceptive. I know because over the last fortnight once again I’ve been thrown into the fray helping a friend with a cancer. He has an IQ of 160 and is complaining about me not explaining it simply! What do people want, to be treated like children?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 11:31 am

Bruce of Newcastle

Aug 5, 2023 11:26 AM

Just presh “refresh” and it will update almost instantly ………

Shatterzzz – Nope, tried refresh button, F5 and Ctl-R, none of them work.
Tried clearing cache and history.
Tried changing VPN server.
Tried a different computer.
Tried each possible link on the main page and side bar.

Have you tried seeking the divine intervention of Titus?

Dopey
Dopey
August 5, 2023 11:34 am

Tom. Can you get Jamie Kah back too? Racing needs her riding winners.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 5, 2023 11:38 am

Site is also working fine for me – HP desktop/Firefox/W10.

Firefox and Mozilla went woke and nasty some time ago, I’m not inclined to use them. A lot righties dumped it then.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 11:39 am

Shatterzzz – Nope, tried refresh button, F5 and Ctl-R, none of them work.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Just kidding. Just the default IT Help advice.

Has anyone else noticed new computers don’t come with those built in cup holders?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 5, 2023 11:45 am

John H at 11:29.
That is my lay-person’s gut feel too.
We have made enormous inroads in cancer treatment, but it seems it is an incremental battle being fought on many fronts.
What is often forgotten is the role of diagnostic technologies, particularly with cancers which “present late”.
These can be as complex as MRIs/CATs or as simple as bowel cancer test kits.
Yes, I know, the bowel test kits aren’t a perfect diagnostic tool, but they catch a number of people who are sent for more focussed testing. Not a bad thing for thr price.
I can remember when the only “non invasive” diagnostic tool was an X-ray and heard numerous tales as a child of “the surgeon just sewed him up again and sent him home”.
The combination of identifying cohorts susceptible to particular cancers, early diagnosis, non invasive (or low impact) surgical techniques and drug therapies all play a part.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 5, 2023 11:49 am

Tim
4 hours ago
The establishment of a treaty would lead to reparations as sure as night follows day apart from all the other untold consequences. Peter, how much are you willing to pay personally for the sins of the past? What percentage of your salary either directly or indirectly on an ongoing basis do you feel would be appropriate? Who then would be the beneficiaries of the monies paid? Who would qualify? Would someone who has a combination of ancestry that in part goes back to back to the early settlers as well as indigenous ancestry have to pay reparations as well as receive them? Any system no matter how it is conceived would be unworkable and more importantly divisive and unfair.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 5, 2023 11:49 am

What do people want, to be treated like children?

By now you’ve surely realised the answer for ~40% of the population is Yes. The mere existence of the subreddit /ELI5 is evidence of this.
They want their lockdowns permanent, their insurance outsourced, and their jabs mandatory, and if you dare suggest otherwise you must be some sort of terrorist meanie poo-poo-head (not an exact quote but not far off).

Then you’ve got the Greens who are so keen to blur the boundary between childhood and adulthood they want to give children adult responsibilities like voting.
And possibly worse.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 5, 2023 11:49 am

I am using Safari on an iPhone and I am getting the quickest refreshes I have had for ages.

It is quite…ahem…refreshing.

Zatara
Zatara
August 5, 2023 11:53 am

Jack Smith May Have Doomed His Case Against Trump

Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team has acknowledged they incorrectly claimed that they had submitted all the necessary evidence as mandated by the law in the classified documents case against Donald Trump.

That’s basically a euphemism for getting caught committing prosecutorial misconduct.

According to Just The News, “All CCTV footage obtained by the government has now been given to the defendants, according to Smith’s team. The so-called Brady rule requires prosecutors to disclose all evidence and information favorable to the defendant.”

Why is this important? Well, Jack Smith, a hardcore partisan with a record of prosecutorial misconduct, in addition to failing to achieve convictions against Democrats, has a history of distorting the law in order to achieve convictions against Republicans.

It sure feels like Smith is up to his same old dirty tricks in order to do the bidding of the Biden administration and make himself a hero of the left. Did Smith deliberately withhold evidence from the defense? Based on his record, it sure seems like he did. But there’s more. Smith may also have failed to review records that former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik provided in July that Kerik’s attorney described as “absolutely exculpatory.”

Is Smith’s case against Trump destined to be overturned for prosecutorial misconduct? I think it’s very much possible.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 11:59 am

The practice of calling the PM’s squeeze “The First Lady” needs to be knocked on the head.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 5, 2023 12:04 pm

That’s basically a euphemism for getting caught committing prosecutorial misconduct.

Now known in Australia as “Doing a Drumgold”.

Annie
Annie
August 5, 2023 12:07 pm

I use DDG on an old Samsung tablet most of the time. The blog pages are loading quickly atm.
I miss the uptick ability, although don’t use it all the time. Calli and Cassie are my favourites to uptick, along with Duk and a few others.
I skim past posts by people who seem to be abusive and those who use bad language. Life is too short to waste on them.
There are gems of information here as well.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 5, 2023 12:08 pm

Pence 7

Bwaahahahaha

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