Open Thread – Mon 11 Sept 2023


Napoleon at Brienne, Jacques Marie Gaston Onfroy de Breville, 1908

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  1. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Rosie
    Sep 13, 2023 9:19 PM
    What’s really hilarious about the tartarian nonsense is its focus on architecture.
    As though western civilisation with its medical, artistic, musical, mathematical, philosophical, scientific, physics, mining, water management, engineering, literature, and so many other discoveries, inventions and innovations developed over more than 2000 years somehow failed in the 19th century and couldn’t knock together a few buildings for world fairs.

    Another that gobbles up the narrative without critical thought. Much like you offering up you arm for a jab.

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  2. Rosie Avatar
    Rosie

    As opposed to the silly as all get out tartarian narrative?

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  3. JC Avatar
    JC

    Tickler

    I think it was you who talked about how much earlier building structures were built—much sturdier and more solid. Was that you?

    Is that really surprising, though, when the accomplishment of the modern age is to do more with much less? Modern structures may not appear comparably sturdy, but these things are being built with much less input, all things being equal.

    Also, there was an astounding stat the Fed chairman once gave to Congress in his annual Humphrey Hawkins testimony, which was around the turn of the century.

    He said that if you picked up all of the previous year’s GDP and weighed it, it was 25% lighter than GDP in 1970. I can’t recall how many fold US GDP increased from say 1970 to 2002.

  4. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Yep, the buildings were already there. History has been borked for about 300 years. Time lines have been changed. That includes Australia across the board and the World.

    There is a big GAP in history.

    My Lunch Break:

    Ancient Detroit?

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  5. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Watch the vision FFS. Did you?

    no, I didn’t

    but I’m pretty sure a video won’t provide the tera watts of power necessary to vapourise all that steel

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  6. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    JC
    Sep 13, 2023 9:50 PM

    History in the books is crap. Total wank. Some of the most marvelous constructions in the world goes way way back. I reckon a thousand years back with construction. Talent superior to ours today.

    Something is not right. If you wish to quote a rusted on Historian, go for it.

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  7. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    I don’t remember any such conduct at dining in nights in the A.D.F, have any other Cats heard such stories?

    Fairly common in my day Zulu, but a pretty low class act using a sub-machine gun.

    .50 cal please.

  8. JC Avatar
    JC

    Some of the most marvelous constructions in the world goes way way back. I reckon a thousand years back with construction.

    Is it marvelous to a lot but with more, or a lot but with much less? That’s what I was getting at.

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  9. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    JC
    Sep 13, 2023 10:11 PM
    Some of the most marvelous constructions in the world goes way way back. I reckon a thousand years back with construction.

    Is it marvelous to a lot but with more, or a lot but with much less? That’s what I was getting at.

    There was a OLD WORLD that built all the constructs. A building firm today wouldn’t know to even begin today. So, we’ve gone backwards.

    Point taken with a simplified model. It doesn’t detract that the people of the Old World were superior in all shapes and form.

    A modern day Architect wouldn’t know were to start on some of these buildings. They would shit their pants.

  10. Dot Avatar

    Something to shove in the face of leftists.

    Thanks to John Ray.

    —–

    The evidence is piling up, just like the victims of communism, communalism, or whatever fake name you want to give it!

    “…the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things… They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”

    – Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, The Communist Manifesto (Penguin Books, 1985, originally published in 1848), p.120.

    It gets worse!

    “We would be deceiving both ourselves and the people if we concealed from the masses the necessity of a desperate, bloody war of extermination, as the immediate task of the coming revolutionary action.”

    – V.I. Lenin,” Lessons of the Moscow Uprising,” Proletary, No.2, August 1906 (as posted on Marxists.org).

    As for violent antisemitism:

    What truth is there in this argument? Marx’s essay, On the Jewish Question, originally published in 1844 contains the following:

    What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

    Marx argues that, “In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.” Larry Ray explains, “Marx’s position is essentially an assimilationist one in which there is no room within emancipated humanity for Jews as a separate ethnic or cultural identity.” Dennis Fischman puts it, “Jews, Marx seems to be saying, can only become free when, as Jews, they no longer exist.”

  11. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Let’s build this!

    Good f*cking luck. It was already built and people were moved in. Shock!

    Old World is Worldwide? | Part 3

  12. JC Avatar
    JC

    A modern day Architect wouldn’t know were to start on some of these buildings. They would shit their pants.

    You think? Not this dude, he’s possibly the best. He creates wonders with modern engineering techniques and materials. Calatrava is the best.

    https://calatrava.com/projects.html?all=yes

  13. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    JC
    Sep 13, 2023 10:45 PM

    Muck! ( :

    It’s shit … almost p*rno.

  14. JC Avatar
    JC

    Okay, you don’t have to like it, but you can also appreciate the creativity that’s gone into it as well as the amazing engineering. He’s both and engineer and architect. Say you prefer more traditional, older work, but don’t be a barbarian, Tickler.

    This Spanish dude is the best there is.

  15. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    More engineering has gone into ancient temples than that shit.

  16. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    From the WSJ.

    Real-estate startup Roam looks to bring 3% mortgage rates within reach.

    Roam, which is set to launch Wednesday, is betting that it can popularize an obscure workaround to a problem for home buyers and sellers alike: mortgage rates that are above 7%. “Assumable loans” allow sellers to transfer their own mortgage loans to the buyer alongside the house. Few consumers know about the option, and fewer still follow through with it. And many lenders are cool to the idea because for them it would mean more work for less money.

    The way mortgages are structured (they die when you sell a property & you get a new one when you buy again) is so antiquated.

  17. dover0beach Avatar

    Fish in a barrel news.

    Russia’s Navy Port At Sevastopol On Fire After Massive Ukraine Missile Attack (13 Sep)

    It’s always been the problem for the Russians: the Black Sea is more like a lake than a sea. The Turks by comparison could always withdraw their fleet into the Med, but the Russian Black Sea Fleet can’t do that. It was only a few weeks ago that Ukrainian sea-drones nearly sank a large Russian naval ship in Novorossiysk on the far side of the Black Sea. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is going to be history fairly soon, it looks like, killed by drones.

    This last attack looks to have involved 10 cruise missiles and NATO assistance.

  18. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Hard to believe apple are now up to their 9th version of the apple watch.

  19. dover0beach Avatar

    What does this one do better?

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    H B Bear

    ftb – that mortgage thing makes sense in the US when rates are rising. Can’t see too many benefits in Oz. I would be surprised if the benefits are anywhere near as great as those stated. The US mortgage market is a very different animal to here, as NAB found out at some expense.

  21. JC Avatar
    JC

    This last attack looks to have involved 10 cruise missiles and NATO assistance.

    Well, it’s possible seeing that Russia was intimidating cargo shipping carrying Ukrainian grain. Now US warships are there to stop this terrible Russian childish behavior.

  22. JC Avatar
    JC

    dover0beach
    Sep 13, 2023 11:25 PM

    What does this one do better?

    You’re not interested as you despise Apple products. So why ask. 🙂

  23. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    dover0beach
    Sep 13, 2023 11:10 PM
    Fish in a barrel news.

    Russia’s Navy Port At Sevastopol On Fire After Massive Ukraine Missile Attack (13 Sep)

    It’s always been the problem for the Russians: the Black Sea is more like a lake than a sea. The Turks by comparison could always withdraw their fleet into the Med, but the Russian Black Sea Fleet can’t do that. It was only a few weeks ago that Ukrainian sea-drones nearly sank a large Russian naval ship in Novorossiysk on the far side of the Black Sea. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is going to be history fairly soon, it looks like, killed by drones.

    This last attack looks to have involved 10 cruise missiles and NATO assistance.

    A guess: NATO EW provided targeting for the missiles?

  24. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Whoops: EW aircraft. My bad, just finished conquering galaxy when I should be looking up Covid impact on fertility for a friend. Material I found last night was disturbing, big hits on sperm count. The inflammation may have caused permanent damage and ACE2 receptors, the spike protein target, very high in testis.

  25. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    apple are now up to their 9th version of the apple watch

    Dick Tracey calling hemlock Holmes … the able Sable Fur Company has been robbed

  26. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Indolent
    Sep 13, 2023 9:38 PM
    James Woods
    @RealJamesWoods

    Wait. People were locked out of social media and ridiculed by people from the “party of science” for saying the vaccine causes myocarditis, and now this weasel casually acknowledges we were right all along?

    James Woods is erecting a straw man. It was acknowledged the vaccines can cause myocarditis. Many vaccines can cause myocarditis. The strange thing is that sometimes a particular immune molecule that attracts immune cells, CCL2, targets heart muscles. It is not an autoimmune condition. T cells are not the culprit, monocytes and macrophages are.

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  27. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    and NATO assistance

    not good news

    from defending Europe/Ukraine to attacking the Russian Navy

    … just like that

  28. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Putin should wipe out all of Ukraine’s infrastructure right now. F&ck Zelensky.

    Hopefully those protecting him will put a bullet in his brain.

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  29. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    James Woods is erecting a straw man

    no mate … you just erected a straw-man

    nice try though

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  30. dover0beach Avatar

    You’re not interested as you despise Apple products.

    Some of their products are very good, I’m just not a fanboy.

  31. dover0beach Avatar

    Well, it’s possible seeing that Russia was intimidating cargo shipping carrying Ukrainian grain. Now US warships are there to stop this terrible Russian childish behavior.

    Ukraine and the Europeans didn’t live up to the grain deal, but none of this has anything to do with the grain deal. Ukraine are looking for something to crow about given their counter offensive has failed at the first hurdle.

  32. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    MatrixTransform
    Sep 13, 2023 11:39 PM
    and NATO assistance

    not good news

    from defending Europe/Ukraine to attacking the Russian Navy

    … just like that

    I suspect NATO has long had those aircraft over the Black Sea and feeding data to Ukraine. The drone and British RC135 aircraft(surveillance) incident over the Black Sea point to that possibility. Of course nothing can be proved …

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  33. JC Avatar
    JC

    Some of their products are very good, I’m just not a fanboy.

    You know, I own a IMac which I’ve had since 2016 and it’s running all day everyday. Never a problem. The one before lasted about 8 years. The Mac is great and never had an issue and the iphone 12 same. I also have an Ipad 2 which I never use, but it still appears to work fine.

    I have another screen operating Microtheft I use for trading platforms , which is shakey and needs replacing ever couple of years.

    My hunch is that we’re not far way from just having a screen as a phone and everything will be on the cloud making smartphones as we know them obsolete.

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  34. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    She is brilliant. Bang!

    She had enough of the drunken men.

  35. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Steve trickler

    Sep 13, 2023 10:04 PM

    JC
    Sep 13, 2023 9:50 PM

    History in the books is crap. Total wank

    All books?
    Can you tell me which books are bad?

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  36. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    JC

    Sep 13, 2023 10:45 PM

    Look at these chosen as some of his best work.

    Man, he loves a cantilever.
    There is obviously some serious engineering underneath, but he makes them look so light.

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  37. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    All books?

    stfu sancho

    he didnt say ‘all books’

    … you did

    try to stop being a wanker

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  38. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Sancho Panzer
    Sep 14, 2023 12:13 AM

    Impossible. I haven’t even read paper book on the subject.

    People that say Tartaria is fiction are f*ckwits. I am sure of that.

  39. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Steve trickler

    Sep 14, 2023 12:21 AM

    Sancho Panzer
    Sep 14, 2023 12:13 AM

    Impossible. I haven’t even read paper book on the subject.

    People that say Tartaria is fiction are f*ckwits. I am sure of that

    Oh, OK.
    My apologies.

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  40. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    dover0beach Avatar
    dover0beach
    Sep 13, 2023 11:47 PM

    You’re not interested as you despise Apple products.

    Some of their products are very good, I’m just not a fanboy.

    I don’t understand the animosity, I use about 1 % of the capability of my android phone.
    What do iPhones do to justify the price?

    As to mac computers, when you have to have simulators to run programmes what does it tell you?

  41. dover0beach Avatar

    I’ve built my three desktops since 2004. Never had a problem with them.

  42. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    I haven’t even read a paper book on the subject…

    Sancho is cool.

    Tartaria! It’s was real and global. The genius behind the construction. FMD!

    People need to chill out and do their own research.

  43. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    Steve trickler
    Sep 14, 2023 12:21 AM

    The candyman banned good people, for no reason other than they upset the woman actually running the show.

    In your case he was right, man, you are something else.

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    John H.

    Gabor
    Sep 14, 2023 12:28 AM
    dover0beach Avatar
    dover0beach
    Sep 13, 2023 11:47 PM

    You’re not interested as you despise Apple products.

    Some of their products are very good, I’m just not a fanboy.

    I don’t understand the animosity, I use about 1 % of the capability of my android phone.
    What do iPhones do to justify the price?

    As to mac computers, when you have to have simulators to run programmes what does it tell you?

    I was thinking of buying a Mac until I found out that the program where I have 30 years of material stored can’t be emulated through Wine. More importantly there are so few games that can run on Macs!

  45. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Boambee John
    Sep 13, 2023 9:18 PM

    They all see themselves as parts of the future “Voice”.

    They see themselves as the sole representatives of the Aboriginal People, and the arbiters of Aboriginal Culture.

  46. Alamak! Avatar

    And controllers of the rivers if Canbrah $$$$, symbolic and/or political power is not enough.

    I’d like to see next government run a royal commission into spending on the indigenous folks to see where money actually goes. That’s a good example of “truth-telling” most Aussies could support

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