Open Thread – Mon 18 Sept 2023


The Iron Rolling Mill (Modern Cyclopes), Adolph Menzel, 1872-75

1,013 responses to “Open Thread – Mon 18 Sept 2023”

  1. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    I remember a rabbi saying that when a husband and wife have sex, God is present in the room.

    That could make a bloke very nervous.

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  2. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    JC @ 7:02pm

    Every time a person dies or a kid is born GDP goes up or goes down.

    So the economy must really be toast given that we’re adding thousands to the population from immigration.

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  3. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Dr BG,
    I saw your comment from this morning:

    So right back atcha: Boo!

  4. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    The Ukraine is now a DNC outpost/colony in Eastern Europe

    I suspect you’ve never met a Ukrainian.

  5. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    I suspect you’ve never met a Ukrainian.

    Actually yes- I can think of two

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTbDSMtwyo

    Peta Credlin interviewing Dennis Shanahan, from the Oz.

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  7. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Russell Brand is being accused not so much by the women whom he damaged or disrespected. He is being accused by disappointed women, those who expected more and got little or even nothing for having sex with him.

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  8. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Re the women making the allegations against Brand, I’m sorry but when I hear stories of women who choose to go to the media rather than the police to “tell their story”, surely I can’t be the only one who is somewhat suspicious.

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  9. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Russell Brand is being accused not so much by the women whom he damaged or disrespected. He is being accused by disappointed women, those who expected more and got little or even nothing for having sex with him.”

    Yes.

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  10. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    So the economy must really be toast given that we’re adding thousands to the population from immigration.

    The diminishing returns on the population ponzi are now tangible in terms of living standards for the average Australian.

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  11. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Russell Brand is being accused not so much by the women whom he damaged or disrespected. He is being accused by disappointed women, those who expected more and got little or even nothing for having sex with him.

    They got bragging rights. ‘I shagged a celebrity!’

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  12. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Actually yes- I can think of two

    Then you’d know they’re not exactly Democrats, milt.

  13. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    They tend to be patriotic, religious and socially conservative.

    In that, they reflect Trump supporters more than Biden’s Democrats.

    And they’d like the corruption to be dealt with once the war is over.

  14. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    DrBeauGan
    Sep 18, 2023 8:02 PM
    Russell Brand is being accused not so much by the women whom he damaged or disrespected. He is being accused by disappointed women, those who expected more and got little or even nothing for having sex with him.

    They got bragging rights. ‘I shagged a celebrity!’

    That seems to have worked until he went off the reservation and challenged the status quo. At that point he became a liability and fair game for #MeToo.

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  15. JC Avatar
    JC

    Swimmer

    So the economy must really be toast given that we’re adding thousands to the population from immigration.

    Not really, Swim, or at least it depends if these immigrants are earning their keep holding down jobs and earning their keep.

    Why you need to be cautious about capita GDP.

    There was an interesting story about the poorest localities in the US that I read about five years ago. The poorest neighborhood in the US is a burb just outside of NYC, close to a place called Yonkers. When the analysis dug deeper, we found out that the neighborhood is made up primarily of Hasidic Jews. Hasidic Jewish couples are human breeding factories with 600 kids per couple. 🙂 Is that neighborhood blindly poor, or are the statistics really telling the real story? Obviously, it’s the latter because the GDP per capita was spread out over a large number of family units.

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  16. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Yes point taken Roger but as far as I can see the Ukraine is now a client state of the US which is controlled by the DNC.

  17. Wally Dali Avatar
    Wally Dali

    Just noticed the similarities between Russell Brand and Daisy Cousens. No, not the tarty schtick insect do-up, more the annoying voices… and being three years behind the Cats and Kittehs, big brain thinking wise.

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  18. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    The stunningly beautiful UK commentator Esther Krakue nails the allegations about Brand….

    We often miss a good teaching moment, that is if you are a man in the public eye, or just a man in general, sexual discipline is very important because if you make a habit of being intimate with many women, at some point there is a high likelihood that something negative will happen, or something will come back to bite you on the bum.

    I think Esther has said it best.

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  19. JC Avatar
    JC

    Just after the 2010 US census. It still makes me LOL.

    The poorest place in the United States is not a dusty Texas border town, a hollow in Appalachia, a remote Indian reservation or a blighted urban neighborhood. It has no slums or homeless people. No one who lives there is shabbily dressed or has to go hungry. Crime is virtually nonexistent.

    And, yet, officially, at least, none of the nation’s 3,700 villages, towns or cities with more than 10,000 people has a higher proportion of its population living in poverty than Kiryas Joel, N.Y., a community of mostly garden apartments and town houses 50 miles northwest of New York City in suburban Orange County.

    About 70 percent of the village’s 21,000 residents live in households whose income falls below the federal poverty threshold, according to the Census Bureau. Median family income ($17,929) and per capita income ($4,494) rank lower than any other comparable place in the country. Nearly half of the village’s households reported less than $15,000 in annual income.

    About half of the residents receive food stamps, and one-third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs.

    Kiryas Joel’s unlikely ranking results largely from religious and cultural factors. Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic Jews predominate in the village; many of them moved there from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, beginning in the 1970s to accommodate a population that was growing geometrically.

    I bet it was growing geometrically. 🙂

    More here and why poverty stats are complete bullshit.

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  20. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    If you stick your dick In enough big holes eventually it will bite you in the bum. Celebrity only carries you so far.

  21. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Not really, Swim, or at least it depends if these immigrants are earning their keep holding down jobs and earning their keep.

    Why you need to be cautious about capita GDP.

    JC, when you say “earning their keep”, do you mean by doing anything?

  22. JC Avatar
    JC

    If you stick your dick In enough big holes eventually it will bite you in the bum.

    According to his own account he was banging 80 gals a month. Do the math.

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  23. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tash Peterson’s Instagram account disappears from platform just days after vegan posted photos of bare bum

    All that meat, on display?

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  24. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    ABCcess the drum devoting an episode to hating on the new folk devil…
    Russel Brand.

    All females and one lactating male like object keeping quiet on the commenter screen.

    A popup appears just says ” wobblygong country” in the corner and disappears.

    Apparently ” right wing people” come out and say it’s wimmin/ blacks/ the Media’s fault and are evil, or something.

    Apparently Brand loves victimhood, and is nasty.

    What’s the odds of their ABCcess finding such complete unanimity of views from a completely random selection of x- spurts.

    Oh, and they are having a whinge about ” why don’t people trust the media”

    RABZ the place now

  25. JC Avatar
    JC

    JC, when you say “earning their keep”, do you mean by doing anything?

    Having a job.

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  26. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    He is being accused by disappointed women, those who expected more and got little or even nothing for having sex with him.

    A lads by the name of Debbie Schipp weighs in:

    I don’t know if Russell Brand is guilty of the specific rape and sexual assault and harassment claims being levelled against him.

    I do know I’m surprised that it’s taken this long for him to be called out as an allegedly predatory and controlling creep.

    I do know that when I walked out of a one-on-one interview (actually, there was one of me, and then him and the tittering entourage he played to in the room) with Brand more than a decade ago, I’d just met a very unprofessional and decidedly ordinary human being.

    I’d been witness to — and the subject of — a Russell Brand performance he’d spent countless press tours perfecting which featured a specialist misogynist using a facile, lowbrow stunts dressed up as humour to disarm and humiliate women trying to go about their jobs and remind them he was in charge.

    Russell, his supporters would say, was just being Russell: the notorious womaniser was flirty, cheeky, bold. It was banter. It was harmless. Lighten up. Who was he hurting?

    These were the days before #MeToo.

    Nobody was calling him out on the way he acted in interviews, made comments on questions he didn’t feel like answering or hearing, and felt it utterly acceptable to comment on your appearance or physical attributes.

    Nobody took on a major celeb. If you called it out, you were the problem. You were humourless. You were being ridiculous.

    And you certainly weren’t getting any more interviews.

    I’d been told by other female journalists who’d had the dubious pleasure of interviewing Brand how it would go.

    Russell would pick a feature … your boobs, your legs, your butt, the length of your dress, early in the meeting. It would be masked as a compliment, and then it would get creepy, unprofessional and uncomfortable as he’d inevitably riff on it again and again.

    For one of my colleagues — an entertainment writer of years of experience — her boobs were, apparently, totally fair game.

    Brand’s running commentary at their first meeting saw her eventually, half-jokingly, appeal: “Russell, can you look at my eyes?” as his assistants tittered, and his co-stars sat mute.

    She, like so many of us before and since, sucked it up and rolled with it.

    For her next encounter, she was ready. “No Russell, we’re not doing this,” she said firmly, as she saw the words about to leave his mouth.

    He meekly “behaved”. Like a naughty little child.

    I had written sport for ten years before I switched to entertainment, and in that round had met a thousand Russell Brands: blokes who didn’t like that a female would have the audacity and temerity to write about serious subjects like racing and rugby league.

    You learned to push back, or make the fact you were female invisible. Sometimes both.

    So on that day in 2009 at Sydney’s Park Hyatt as I waited for my time with Brand I was on my guard, but only vaguely.

    I’d seen Brand’s work — the stuff he got paid for — before, and actually admired his eccentric schtick, humour and razor-sharp wit.

    The interviews were running later, as these things often are.

    I had plenty of time to watch other journos emerge from their time with him. The majority of them were women. Stony-faced.

    I can’t recall what he was selling on that trip to Australia. But within seconds it was clear it wasn’t professionalism.

    As I walked in and offered my hand to shake his, he looked me up and down, carefully assessing me, then slowly met my eyes.

    “Hello, Debbie Schipp,” he said, a faint mocking tone as he used my full name and his gaze returned to my legs.

    I’d been warned Brand could be quite hard to pin down, so I thanked him for his time, and said ‘since we’re a bit late can we get right into it?’.

    He laughed, looked at my legs again, and then said “Ooh, you’re very serious, Debbie Schipp, aren’t you? Why are you so serious?”

    I shrugged and said, “I’m really not. I love a laugh, I just know we don’t have much time.”

    Too late.

    Brand had stood, glanced at his giggling entourage and darted out the door, insisting on saying hello to somebody he’d apparently met earlier in the lift.

    He returned a few minutes later, sat — no apology — looked at my legs again, and said “right, where were we?”.

    As I posed a second question, he was off again, this time chasing down a Park Hyatt employee he’d seen wandering past our interview room, for something that clearly couldn’t wait.

    But the time he’d mocked two of my questions, inviting his entourage to ridicule them again, remarked several more times how serious I was (a shame, he said, because I could be quite pretty when I smiled) and had left the interview for a third time to hail yet another new hotel ‘friend’, I’d had enough.

    I closed my notebook. Switched off the tape recorder. Stood. Shouldered my bag.

    “Where are you going, Debbie Schipp, we’ve got another ten minutes,” Brand said, looking me in the eye for the first time.

    “Yeah, I’m done,” I said.

    It was the only time he had no smart-arse reply and no control.

    As I exited, a publicist looked at me bleakly and said: “So I’m guessing this won’t be a cover?”

    It should have been a cover story. But nobody would have read it.

    These were the days when few called out the likes of Brand on his bullshit.

    I shook my head and kept walking.

    I was more sad and disappointed than angry.

    I’d admired the irreverent and offbeat Brand as an entertainer with a formidable intellect who went where few dared, and skewered with smart humour.

    Resorting to lame commentary on a woman’s physical attributes and palming it off as a joke was lazy humour. Easy pickings. Not the slightest bit clever. I thought he was edgier than that.

    It wasn’t funny then. It’s not funny now.

    Russell, the position you find yourself in now isn’t some mysterious plot engineered by faceless powerful people and angry women to bring you down.

    You did that all by yourself.

    It’s way past time you and creeps like you were called out.

    It’s not a conservative revenge plot. It’s not a grand conspiracy.

    It’s just people finding their Voice. And the karma bus catching up.

    And you didn’t write about this at the time Debbie? It’s a #metoo moment, but not in the way you envisage.

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  27. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    A lass. Fer phuck sake.

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  28. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Having a job.

    So, it doesn’t matter what the job entails – working at Maccas or in a servo. No cost-benefit analysis re the effect on housing supply/traffic etc?

  29. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    So this lady could have called Brand out judging by the second paragraph of this article. Before #metoo. She could have been a contender, could have been almost anything!
    I call bullshit

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  30. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Debbie thinks accusations of rape are ok because Brand was an asshole.

    Seems like a nice well balanced lass you’d love to have on your jury.

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  31. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Anna Bligh, formerly of the Liars, tells us:

    Anna Bligh, CEO of the Australian Banking Association, said Australia was seeing an “explosion of scams” hitting Australian citizens.

    She defended the banks’ efforts to detect and prevent scams.

    Every bank is doing their best every day to try to make sure everyone is safe,” she said.

    Couldn’t lie straight in bed.

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  32. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    There is an implied covenant as a groupie. It gets a bit blurred with paid PR girls paid to stand around and glam the place up. I expect social media isn’t helping.

  33. JC Avatar
    JC

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    Sep 18, 2023 8:33 PM

    Having a job.

    So, it doesn’t matter what the job entails – working at Maccas or in a servo. No cost-benefit analysis re the effect on housing supply/traffic etc?

    Swim, the comment was having a job is meant to show that if someone is working, it adds to GDP and doesn’t detract.

    Outside of the public sector, a cost benefit analysis of a job we can leave to employers.

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  34. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    “Every bank is doing their best every day…

    John Mason from The Rock comes to mind.

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  35. Dot Avatar

    thefrollickingmole
    Sep 18, 2023 8:34 PM
    Debbie thinks accusations of rape are ok because Brand was an asshole.

    Seems like a nice well balanced lass you’d love to have on your jury.

    Precisely mole.

    These people are deadset psychopaths.

    “There’s nothing wrong with falsifying rape accusations because I don’t like you”

    An idea which is gaining traction in the zeitgeist is false accusers ought to get the maximum penalty for what they accuse someone of.

    A corespondent notes:

    Two newspapers and one tv show investigated Brand for four years, talking to 300 different people.

    And alls they got was a couple sluts out of it.

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  36. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    You did that all by yourself.

    It’s way past time you and creeps like you were called out.

    Yet she doesn’t point out that there’s a big different between being a preening git and engaging in actual sexual assault.

    Got a claim? Take it to the police. Just as has been pointed out re Knickerless.

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  37. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Calling all WWII Heroes! Kelly has a caper to get some Nazi gold on Fox Classics …now.

  38. JC Avatar
    JC

    thefrollickingmole
    Sep 18, 2023 8:34 PM

    Debbie thinks accusations of rape are ok because Brand was an asshole.

    Mole, here’s the problem with this nutball. He claims to have had sex with hundreds and hundreds of women. Possibly thousands, by his reckoning. Claiming to bag 80 gals a month means he was having sex with two/three gals a day. He also claimed to have sort professional help because he was a sex addict. In other words, he had an incredibly strong urge to get a leg over Put all that together, and it’s not a zero proposition that he may have forced himself on a few women who had second thoughts at the wrong time.

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  39. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Oddballs also accepted

  40. chrisl Avatar
    chrisl

    I bought two couches.
    Sales lady was Macedonian ( absolutely lovely)
    The couches were manufactured in Vietnam
    The delivery guy was from Kosovo
    His off slider was from Fiji
    Where were the Aussie ( well may you ask )
    Most likely at university learning how to run things ….

  41. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    About time the SFL’s stepped up and wedged the ALP on zero emissions and nuclear power.

    Dutton is quite good when he’s on point, but he does seem to get a bit confused on the details (eg: today’s claim that Canada is 60% nuclear. It is not. Canada is about 15%, Ontario is 60%).

  42. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    JC, ok. But what about including in the estimate what the cost-benefit of strong immigration numbers will be on the rest of society? Is that possible?

  43. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    Just on the shagging blokes and nutty older women pining for children thing. If only some society had come up with a way to combine sexuality with care and procreation so blokes can settle down and women can have children at an age younger than 41….. Anybody got a name for it?

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  44. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    On Russell Brand.

    The Sun, my go to on UK sleaze, provides the sordid details – plus the background on what has management at the Beabysea, the Big Brother production house, and Channel 4 in desperate panic mode. And it’s not Brand challenging woke Leftist orthodoxy.

    Beyond the direct allegations from the four women, two former crew members who worked with Brand on Big Brother’s EFourum claimed that their felt as if they were working as a “pimp” for the star as he got them to approach young female audience members for him to meet after the show.

    Brand received treatment for sex addiction in the US in 2005, but The Times report claimed that “more sinister behaviour” was an “open secret” among TV bosses.

    Given the wholesale career destruction that followed Saville’s official outing as a pervert in full view, stable doors are being slammed shut.

    Naturally MP’s have now joined in the moral panic – and Inspector Knacker of the Yard is on standby…

  45. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    [email protected], “That could make a bloke very nervous”. Especially if it wasn’t your wife!

  46. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    He claims to have had sex with hundreds and hundreds of women. Possibly thousands, by his reckoning.

    Could be exaggeration.

    Unless they all come forward; or he’s got pictures.

    Two-three every day would be a bit like the keystone cops; in one door and out the other, endlessly.

  47. JC Avatar
    JC

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    Sep 18, 2023 8:52 PM

    JC, ok. But what about including in the estimate what the cost-benefit of strong immigration numbers will be on the rest of society? Is that possible?

    Absolutely.

  48. Dot Avatar

    Marriage is fu**ed.

    The new consent laws Speakman implemented as NSW AG means that a young wife on the first morning of her honeymoon with her husband, could warm him up so to speak, no talking, just smiles and head pats, then after a brief period of being a generous lover to him, she is then dominant partner as her husband submissively receives coitus on his back. Not a word is spoken except for moaning and shouting each others names. They both are satisfied and she says I love you as they kiss and cuddle.

    Well what it means is she is now a rapist.

    If there is no enthusiastic consent, )YES means YES), then it is now sexual assault despite consensuality.

    Our legal system is the enemy of family formation along with our tax system.

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  49. JC Avatar
    JC

    8% isn’t a controlling interest.

    The Vanguard Group, Inc. 8.22% 12,272,048
    BlackRock Fund Advisors 4.63% 6,912,497
    SSgA Funds Management, Inc. 4.12% 6,152,336
    Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd. (Invest…

  50. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Debbie Schipp’s article speaks to her own insecurities rather than an insight into the character of Russell Brand.

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  51. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Absolutely.

    So is anyone doing it?

  52. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Debbie Schipp, who I have never heard of, in 2009:

    So on that day in 2009 at Sydney’s Park Hyatt as I waited for my time with Brand I was on my guard, but only vaguely.

    In 2009. Fourteen years later, she decides to put pen to paper.

    So – it was apparently important that Debbie Schipp stayed on-side rather than ‘calling out’ this apparent, and I mean apparent, terribly terrible behaviour by a bloke who was at the time not even on the cusp of the fame he later enjoyed.

    In fact, at that time he may have only been ‘famous’ for a very, very poor reprise of Dudley Moore in Arthur, a story about a rich kid who falls in love.

    Weak as piss. I will almost guarantee Schipp had just another giggly interview with Brand and then, because it then became fashionable, turned it into a #metoo where she’s the hero.

    All for a couple of hundred freelancer bucks.

    As Santa says, ‘Ho. Ho ho, and ho’.

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  53. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    FS,
    thanks for that. One of the great fillums.

    Crapgame – played by Don Rickles is just magnificent.

  54. Old Lefty Avatar
    Old Lefty

    The pimping of young female audience members for the green room after the show didn’t just happen at the Beeb. It was legendary at a certain studio in Elsternwick, I’m told. Just don’t tell Louise Milligan or Justice McClellan.

  55. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Watching the people on the march for the screech and noting the people supporting turtle’s opposition to nuclear. There are a lot of fuking idiots in this shithole.

    On the other hand watched Babylon which was a grim, pleasant surprise.

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  56. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    Recently, someone posted about side effects of covid antiviral infusions, including the feeling of smashed glass in one’s mouth. I can not remember who it was because, at the time, I was not affected in any way by the post, but today that changed quite significantly.

    If possible, could that person please repost the relevant information?

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  57. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There are a lot of fuking idiots in this shithole.

    You rang?

    LGBT groups call for advisory board amid NSW government faith council establishment

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    6:56PM September 18, 2023
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    Sydney’s LGBT community is ­demanding Premier Chris Minns keeps his promise to set up a voice-like advisory council for gay and trans people, after he set up a similar body for religious leaders who have promised to use it to push Labor on policy priorities.

    The state government last week announced the establishment of a “milestone” NSW Faith Affairs Council to advise ministers on policy that could affect ­religious communities, such as – one faith leader suggested – changes to voluntarily-assisted dying or conversion practices.

    LGBT groups, although welcoming the move to give ­religious figures a forum, want the government to ensure a similar olive branch will be extended to them.
    Read Next

    “Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, including LGBT people, people of faith, and those of us who belong to both groups,” Equality Australia legal director Ghassan Kassi­sieh said.

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  58. JC Avatar
    JC

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    Sep 18, 2023 9:13 PM

    Absolutely.

    So is anyone doing it?

    I recall reading a column by Henry Ergas in the Australian some years ago about the cost benefit of heavy duty immigration and the policy of large immigration showed up poorly. Henry had a consulting business focused on spitting out cost/benefit analysis.

  59. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Yessers, keep telling us that Senator Price doesn’t know what she is talking about:

    Two men accused of fatally stabbing an Alice Springs man as part of what prosecutors describe as an “armed mob” attack have pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
    Key points:

    Ronald Martin and Jeremy Scrutton have pleaded guilty to fatally stabbing Kumanjayi Presley with a “butcher-style knife”
    The two men in their 40s were armed with an arsenal of weapons when they confronted Mr Presley in Gillen in June 2020
    They remain remanded in custody and are due to be sentenced in October

    WARNING: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised that this article contains the name of an Indigenous person who has died.

    Ronald Martin, 47, and Jeremy Scrutton, 43, appeared in the NT Supreme Court in Alice Springs on Monday morning, each charged with manslaughter over the death of Kumanjayi Presley in June 2020.

    Mr Presley, who was 36 when he died, was the nephew of Northern Territory senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.

    Benjamin Martin, 42, a co-accused who is also charged with manslaughter, had his matter adjourned to Tuesday due to a lack of available interpreters.

    Hello Marcia? Hello, hello? Any comment?

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  60. Mark from Melbourne Avatar
    Mark from Melbourne

    I remember a rabbi saying that when a husband and wife have sex, God is present in the room.

    Hardly a shock, given the language used, at least in my experience.

  61. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    More Debbie Schipp:

    He returned a few minutes later, sat — no apology — looked at my legs again, and said “right, where were we?”

    Let me get in character:

    Oh noooo. Someone looked at my shoulders once 14 years ago. And my legs, and gave me an up-and-down look while walking past me in a pub.

    Where’s my compo? I’m the real hero here!

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  62. JC Avatar
    JC

    Found the piece. Google is your friend. It’s a column, but not accompanied by stats. Good piece though.

    We love a big Australia — but not so fast
    henry ergas Follow @HenryErgas henry ergas

    12:00AM April 20, 2018

    It is true that Melbourne, with just half London’s population, covers six times London’s area, as Shaping a Nation, the research paper on migration released earlier this week by the Treasury and the Department of Home Affairs, claims. But it hardly follows that Melbourne should, or sensibly could, aim to achieve London’s population density.

    After all, the goal of migration policy is not to increase popula­tion density for its own sake. Nor is its purpose to increase gross domestic product, or even GDP per capita, as the paper implies.

    Rather, the aim is to improve the wellbeing of existing Australians, taking into account their interest in the prosperity of future generations, and humanitarian concern for the rest of the world.

    The choice of objective matters a great deal. The building industry wants to boost the number of homes that need to be built, while our major retailers salivate at the prospect of a larger market, but those goals may conflict with maximising the welfare of present Australians.

    At its heart, that conflict cen­tres on the resources that are difficult to expand, such as roads in densely populated areas. By increasing the demands placed on those resources, immigration makes them more congested, harming existing users in ways that conventional measures of GDP do not capture.

    It may be that proper pricing of those congestible assets (say, through road charges on intensely used routes) would limit the damage to living standards, as the paper suggests. But with even the most efficient pricing in the world, existing users will still be worse off than they would have been if fewer additional vehicles were on the road.

    And the costlier it is to increase those assets’ capacity, the more dramatic the harm to existing users must be as population rises, and demand with it.

    That is important because the costs of adapting our major cities to absorb fast population growth are now extremely high, compared with similar cities overseas and with historical experience.

    In part, those high costs are due to our industrial relations system, which adds 10 to 15 per cent to the cost of infrastructure projects, with myriad other productivity-reducing regulations aggravating the penalty. The persistently poor selection and management of major infrastructure projects makes costs greater again.

    But the high costs mainly arise from the fact, over more than a century, abundant land availability, high per capita incomes and a short working day have shaped an urban fabric that ­combines relatively compact CBDs, sprawling suburbs and heavily trafficked radial links ­between them.

    When that settlement pattern was in its formative stages, providing infrastructure largely involved its extension to new greenfields sites, where construction encountered few obstacles. Although costs were high — because the spacing between homes was nearly twice that in comparable cities in the US and more than three times that in Europe — they were relatively bearable.

    Moreover, in that phase of our development, population growth tended to significantly reduce unit costs over time, as fixed costs were spread over a larger number of users.

    Now, however, capacity expansion almost always involves brownfields work in heavily developed areas, disrupting existing uses of land and requiring reliance on costly underpasses, elevated ramps and tunnelling over long distances. And instead of economies of scale, costs often rise more than proportionately as the scale and pace of projects rises, with “mega-projects” being especially prone to massive cost blowouts.

    Those facts of life aren’t about to change. The urban fabric is extraordinarily durable, as is the housing stock: that is why there is so much truth in Winston Churchill’s dictum that “we shape our buildings, and afterwards our buildings shape us”.

    In democracies — which cannot adopt China’s approach of simply bulldozing millions of homes to build high rises and ­superhighways — modifying the structure of urban areas is the work of many decades.

    As a result, the constraints those costs impose should figure prominently in setting population policy. Put in the jargon of economics, they limit the optimal population of our major cities, relative to many cities overseas, and the rate at which their population ought to increase.

    But rather than facing that reality, the report simply excludes the costs of adapting our urban fabric from its calculations of the net benefits of the migrant intake.

    Given that those costs are scarcely negligible — as a proportion of GDP, our infrastructure spending is already almost twice the average for the major advanced economies and may need to rise further — that exclusion casts serious doubt on Scott Morrison’s claim that the report provides “a clear evidence base for the government’s migration policy settings supporting our national interest”.

    That the report’s quantifica­tion also ignores many other costs — including the impact of high rates of population growth on non-market resources, such as the untrammelled enjoyment of open spaces — only makes the Treasurer’s claim yet more suspect.

    None of that is to deny that ­migration brings a broad range of benefits, many of which are also hard to measure. By far the most important is that migrants are driven by the desire to make a better life for themselves and their families. Settler economies, such as Australia, have benefited enormously from that ambition, as migrants have striven to give their children the future they dreamt of. Retreating from “Big Australia” to a country bunkered against inflows from the rest of the world would therefore be an unwarranted diminution of national possibility and an unjustifiable loss of social hope.

    But there is no surer way of provoking that retreat than to keep migration at levels that exceed our absorptive capability. If that is what the government wants to achieve, it risks succeeding wonderfully.

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  63. Mark from Melbourne Avatar
    Mark from Melbourne

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/09/voice-unity-albanese-style.html

    SWMBO and I wondered why both SBS and ABC were covering a No rally in Adelaide that hadn’t yet started in their evening news. Non-event doesn’t begin to describe it.

    As the above shows, it was because there was scheduled to be a bunch of protesters yelling “racist” etc and they were there to catch the vision.

    Pretty poor turnout on the basis of the vid… I wonder if there will be better footage later on?

  64. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Ronald Martin, 47, and Jeremy Scrutton, 43, appeared in the NT Supreme Court in Alice Springs on Monday morning, each charged with manslaughter over the death of Kumanjayi Presley in June 2020.

    Mr Presley, who was 36 when he died, was the nephew of Northern Territory senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.

    WTF!!

  65. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There are a lot of fuking idiots in this shithole.

    You rang?

    Governments should consider if Indigenous defendants should be heard by ‘mixed jury’, new report finds
    A new report has made strong recommendations that an inquiry be launched immediately to remedy chronic underrepresentation of Indigenous jurors.

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    8:28PM September 18, 2023
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    Governments should consider granting First Nations defendants special rights to be heard by a mixed jury of half Indigenous Australians, according to a report commissioned by a peak judicial body and backed by a Northern Territory Supreme Court judge as “ground breaking”. The report made strong recommendations that a national inquiry be launched immediately to remedy chronic under-representation of Indigenous jurors.

    The inquiry, held by the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General, would also consider whether express rights should be given to Indigenous ­defendants to allow them to be heard by Indigenous jurors, after the researchers criticised the Territory Law Reform Committee for failing to assess the benefits of a structured mixed jury before ruling it out.

    The report, written by University of NSW researchers Jill Hunter and Sharleigh Crittenden and published by the Australasian ­Institute of Judicial Administration, was championed by sitting NT Supreme Court judge and ­AIJA president Jenny Blokland, who congratulated Professor Hunter and Ms Crittenden on producing a report that makes recommendations for “positive change”
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    “The long-standing barriers to Indigenous representation on ­juries must be urgently addressed if the administration of justice is to have any credibility in the parts of the community most affected by its decisions,” she wrote.

    “The AIJA Council resolved to directly commission this work, as although the issue is not new, the lack of reform in the past has led to sharp and justifiable criticism of the existence of being tried by ‘ones peers’.

    “The failure to address the barriers to first peoples’ representation on juries, as the Report makes plain, has long been acknowledged in legal, judicial and policy circles. This failure must not continue.”

    The researchers said there was a “strong argument” to restructuring Australian jury representation to “affirmatively include First Nations jurors”.

    One suggestion raised to enable this was the concept of “juries de meditate linguae” – a method granting a minority defendant the right to be tried by a jury comprised half of that minority.

    The researchers backed this method as having a long “historical heritage” that could “increase the inclusion of racial minorities on juries”. “The jury de meditate originally entitled Jews in medieval England to special mixed juries, made up half of Jews and half of Englishmen,” they wrote, noting the method is used in Argentina to boost the representation of ­Indigenous jurors.

    “While this form of mixed jury was abolished in England in 1870, it continued to operate beyond that time in Australia and elsewhere. The de meditate linguae was recognised and applied in both South Australia and Queensland.”

    These juries were employed in at least two separate Australian trials concerning Chinese defendants in the 1800s: the Melbourne trial of Ah Toon and the Northern Territory trial of Ah Kim.

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  66. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    isn’t some mysterious plot engineered by faceless powerful people and angry women to bring you down.
    You did that all by yourself.

    The voice of an absolutely narcissistic bully. Attacking people then disavowing any choice in the matter by declaring “look what you *made* me do!”

  67. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    Some interesting defenders of Russel Brand coming right out hitting.
    https://twitter.com/SammiePressdee/status/1703133573035733003

    In 2006 I refused to have sex with Russell Brand. I was in his London flat. There was a lot of heavy petting and we were both down to our pants. He didn’t pressure me when I said no. He wasn’t angry or abusive. Everything that happened was consensual. I stayed the night in his flat and felt safe.

    You’d hardly expect that sort of defense from women if he was a genuine predator.

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  68. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    johanna
    Sep 18, 2023 9:28 PM

    Benjamin Martin, 42, a co-accused who is also charged with manslaughter, had his matter adjourned to Tuesday due to a lack of available interpreters.

    Is that even possible, that he cannot speak enough English in Alice Springs to understand the charges and proceedings?
    I am curious what the interpreter would translate some of the legalize as?

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  69. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Steve trickler
    Sep 18, 2023 7:23 PM

    I remember this clip at 12k views. Now it is up to 124 million.

    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly – The Danish National Symphony Orchestra (Live)

    Thanks for reminding me – it is a magic performance. I saw a clip of an interview with the whistler (perfect tone and note) and she is a married mother of three kids, surprised and delighted by the success of that performance.

    Unlike Sydney’s SSO and Ballet, The DSO actually are interested in what punters want.

  70. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    So what, exactly, is Debbie Schipp’s complaint?

    The bloke is a sleaze? Is that now punishable by the state?

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mr Presley, who was 36 when he died, was the nephew of Northern Territory senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.

    Wasn’t the bloke who was shot by the Territory cops, for trying to stab one of them, with a pair of scissors, another of Senator Price’s relatives?

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  72. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    FMD. William Shekel (most likely wrong spelling) is a young fellow on Q+A. For nuclear power. Then Allegra Spender sez we aren’t ready. Chris Bowen to speak shortly.
    Give me the young fellow. He was very good.

  73. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    Another outstanding performance of a Morricone classic.

    You can see the contestants (finalists?) in the background just looking on in astonishment.. ‘we’re totally outclassed here, gals’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1e9Mtygzgk

  74. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    So what, exactly, is Debbie Schipp’s complaint?

    Waiting for the penny to drop there Duncan.

  75. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    miltonf
    Sep 18, 2023 7:55 PM

    I suspect you’ve never met a Ukrainian.

    Actually yes- I can think of two

    There are plenty of them in Queanbeyan, thanks to the Snowy scheme. The originals are very old, but still passionate in their views. They congregate for coffee in the mall, reminding me of Lygon St in the 70s.

    Their offspring are a mixed bunch, ranging from the obese teenagers covered with ugly tatts and their druggie ‘boyfriends’ to hard-working and affluent tradies and professionals.

  76. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    The video images of the screech rallies shows only white tards present, every one a liars or filth voter.

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  77. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Bar Beach Swimmer:

    So, it doesn’t matter what the job entails – working at Maccas or in a servo. No cost-benefit analysis re the effect on housing supply/traffic etc?

    Doesn’t that particular demographic, like the Mormons, barely enter the statistics because they are self sufficient?
    So what would happen if they constituted half the population?

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  78. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I suspect you’ve never met a Ukrainian

    my neighbours are Ukrainian and there’s a Camry with a Ukie flag on it parked in front of my joint right now.

    I remember 5 years ago when we moved here and a day after there’s a knock at the door and Boris and Natasha are standing there with an an A4 photo-copy of a cat.
    yep …a rag-doll

    B&N: hello I am Boris and this is my wife Natasha. We live at #9
    MT: nice to meet you
    B&N: have you seen our cat?
    MT: nup
    B&N: can we look in your shed?
    MT: er … nup
    B&N: ok

    their grown kids are fair dinkum Adidas wearing gangsters
    Grandma Olga, occasionally walks the the court with her zimmer frame and scowling
    i swear the bird-life goes quiet when she comes out
    dont even try to say hello

    they’re warming to us … Natasha actually waved back at me the other day

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  79. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    H B Bear

    Sep 18, 2023 5:55 PM

    News flash, Geoff – Australians are over the cultural cringe.

    Some people make it their life’s work.

    “The Eyes of the World Are Upon Us”.
    Firstly, they are not. Australians are broadly travelled enough to know that the rest of the world couldn’t give a fat rat’s clacker what happens here.
    Secondly, it’s now reciprocated. We don’t care what they think even if there is a remote chance one or two are paying attention.

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  80. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Thanks, JC:

    Ergas:

    After all, the goal of migration policy is not to increase popula­tion density for its own sake. Nor is its purpose to increase gross domestic product, or even GDP per capita, as the paper implies.

    Rather, the aim is to improve the wellbeing of existing Australians, taking into account their interest in the prosperity of future generations, and humanitarian concern for the rest of the world.

    …the report simply excludes the costs of adapting our urban fabric from its calculations of the net benefits of the migrant intake.

    And still not happening because decisions for the benefit of the people are of little value to politicians.

    So, the benefit of filling a servo job from migration maybe outweighed by the cost of more traffic on the road, or to repeat Ergas’ better prose, ‘the costs of adapting our urban fabric’.

    Under this analysis high migration is not a win-win and not every job, when filled by a migrant, brings a standard benefit.

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  81. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Australians are broadly travelled enough to know that …

    sancho,

    aren’t you the same bloke that was sending genuine cultural-cringe post-cards from Kyoto just last week?

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  82. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Governments should consider granting First Nations defendants special rights to be heard by a mixed jury of half Indigenous Australians, according to a report commissioned by a peak judicial body and backed by a Northern Territory Supreme Court judge as “ground breaking”. The report made strong recommendations that a national inquiry be launched immediately to remedy chronic under-representation of Indigenous jurors.

    Hang on, if your lineage is only 1/16th or less, you can claim all benefits available? Just really stupid and should be laughed right out of any self respecting institution.

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  83. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    You know it makes sense!

    Juries must contain a percentage of gay people if the defendant is gay.

    What about if the defendant is from overseas? Insist there should be people from the defendant’s country of origin!

    If the defendant is male insist there should be 48% of the jury male!

    Trannies form a queue – we’ll get to your case when we can find enough…

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  84. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    The Vanguard Group, Inc. 8.22% 12,272,048
    BlackRock Fund Advisors 4.63% 6,912,497
    SSgA Funds Management, Inc. 4.12% 6,152,336

    Firstly, they’re interconnected, certainly BlackRock, Vanguard and StateStreet and I’m sure some others too. Secondly, for a large public company, 7% and 8% investment is a huge amount, with board seats and plenty of influence to ensure they retain the holding.

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  85. JC Avatar
    JC

    Firstly, they’re interconnected, certainly BlackRock, Vanguard and StateStreet and I’m sure some others too

    How are they “interconnected’?

    Secondly, for a large public company, 7% and 8% investment is a huge amount, with board seats and plenty of influence to ensure they retain the holding.

    You described it as a controlling interest. It’s not. A controlling interest is by definition, 50%.

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  86. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Cassie of Sydney

    Sep 18, 2023 8:00 PM

    Re the women making the allegations against Brand, I’m sorry but when I hear stories of women who choose to go to the media rather than the police to “tell their story”, surely I can’t be the only one who is somewhat suspicious.

    I saw a t-shirt on the street today.
    “You can’t force people to respect you.
    But you can choose not to be disrespected.”
    Bit long for a bumper sticker, but there you have it.

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  87. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I’ve had some butcher’s paper sent up to the hotel room and I’ve worked up some calculations.
    I estimate that somewhere around 8.4% of the male Japanese population aged between 13 and 21 are in J-pop Boy Bands.

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  88. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I have become more adventurous in playing with the buttons on Japanese toilets (albeit with the lid shut and standing a safe distance away to start with).
    They have a sound effects button which plays birdsong and babbling stream sounds to mask any actual splashing, tinkling and groaning noises.
    But nothing to mask the smell unfortunately.

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  89. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    “You can’t force people to respect you.
    But you can choose not to be disrespected.”

    Holocaust.

  90. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I

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  91. Alamak! Avatar

    they’re interconnected, certainly BlackRock, Vanguard and StateStreet and I’m sure some others too

    Strange how the capitalist system draws in these entities, all seeking to maximize their wealth and prepared to buy any share or pay any (reasonable) cost to do that.

    Could it be that they do this because they are managing money for ordinary people?

    The capitalist conspiracy never ends …

  92. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    duncanm
    Sep 18, 2023 9:55 PM
    Another outstanding performance of a Morricone classic.

    You can see the contestants (finalists?) in the background just looking on in astonishment.. ‘we’re totally outclassed here, gals’.

    That was astonishing.

    Cheers.

  93. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    I’d admired the irreverent and offbeat Brand as an entertainer with a formidable intellect who went where few dared, and skewered with smart humour.

    Resorting to lame commentary on a woman’s physical attributes and palming it off as a joke was lazy humour. Easy pickings. Not the slightest bit clever. I thought he was edgier than that.

    Sheesh some people are dumb. Or easily mesmerized by glamour. All i’ve ever seen on the screen is a heavily made-up doyenne who can speed-read a set scwipt fwom memowy, but fails to meaningfully engage with interviewers or guests… or subjects, as discussions progress.
    Does it not dawn on anyone that Brand is no great wit, no deep thinker, no edgy contrarian… but rather, just a convincing performer?

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