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OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 10:44 am

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

WSJ – The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”

“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.

A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.

Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.

The Iranian delegation at the United Nations in New York didn’t respond to a request for comment. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has praised the attacks, saying in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, that the “Zionist regime will be eradicated at the hands of the Palestinian people and the Resistance forces throughout the region.”

A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East.

Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis.

The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.

At least 700 Israelis are confirmed dead, and Saturday’s assault has punctured the country’s aura of invincibility and left Israelis questioning how their vaunted security forces could let this happen.

Israel has blamed Iran, saying it is behind the attacks, if indirectly. ?? “We know that there were meetings in Syria and in Lebanon with other leaders of the terror armies that surround Israel so obviously it’s easy to understand that they tried to coordinate. The proxies of Iran in our region, they tried to be coordinated as much as possible with Iran,” Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said Sunday.

Hamas has publicly acknowledged receiving support from Iran. And on Sunday, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi talked to Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ziyad al-Nakhalah and Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh.

Iran has been setting aside other regional conflicts, such as its open feud with Saudi Arabia in Yemen, to devote the IRGC’s foreign resources toward coordinating, financing and arming militias antagonistic to Israel, including Hamas and Hezbollah, the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members said.

The U.S. and Israel have designated Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations.

“We are now free to focus on the Zionist entity,” the Iranian official said. “They are now very isolated.”

The strike was intended to hit Israel while it appeared distracted by internal political divisions over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

It was also aimed at disrupting accelerating U.S.-brokered talks to normalize relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel that Iran saw as threatening, the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members said.

Building on peace deals with Egypt and Jordan, expanding Israeli ties with Gulf Arab states could create a chain of American allies linking three key choke points of global trade—the Suez Canal, the Strait of Hormuz, and the Bab Al Mandeb connecting the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea, said Hussein Ibish, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.

“That’s very bad news for Iran,” Ibish said. “If they could do this, the strategic map changes dramatically to Iran’s detriment.”

Leading the effort to wrangle Iran’s foreign proxies under a unified command has been Ismail Qaani, the leader of the IRGC’s international military arm, the Quds Force.

Qaani launched coordination among several militias surrounding Israel in April during a meeting in Lebanon, The Wall Street Journal has reported, where Hamas began working more closely with other groups such as Hezbollah for the first time.

Around that time, Palestinian groups staged a rare set of limited strikes on Israel from Lebanon and Gaza, under the direction of Iran, said the Iranian official. “It was a roaring success,” the official said.

Iran has long backed Hamas but, as a Sunni Muslim group, it had been an outsider among Tehran’s Shia proxies until recent months, when cooperation among the groups accelerated.

Representatives of these groups have met with Quds Force leaders at least biweekly in Lebanon since August to discuss this weekend’s attack on Israel and what happens next, they said. Qaani has attended some of those meetings along with Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad leader al-Nakhalah, and Saleh al-Arouri, Hamas’s military chief, the militant-group members said.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian attended at least two of the meetings, they said.

“An attack of such scope could only have happened after months of planning and would not have happened without coordination with Iran,” said Lina Khatib, director of the SOAS Middle East Institute at the University of London. “Hamas, like Hezbollah in Lebanon, does not single-handedly make decisions to engage in war without prior explicit agreement from Iran.”

The Palestinian and Lebanese militias’ ability to coordinate with Iran will be tested in the coming days as Israel’s response comes into focus.

Egypt, which is trying to mediate in the conflict, has warned Israeli officials that a ground invasion into Gaza would trigger a military response from Hezbollah, opening up a second battlefront, people familiar with the matter said. Israel and Hezbollah exchanged fire briefly on Sunday.

Hamas has called on Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinian citizens of Israel to take up arms and join the fight. There have been limited clashes in the West Bank, but no reports of clashes between Arabs and Jews inside Israel, as happened in May 2021 when Israel and Gaza last engaged in extended combat.

The Iranian official said that if Iran were attacked, it would respond with missile strikes on Israel from Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, and send Iranian fighters into Israel from Syria to attack cities in the north and east of Israel.

Iran’s backing of a coordinated group of Arab militias is ominous for Israel. In previous conflicts, the Soviet Union was the ultimate patron of Israel’s Arab enemies and was always able to pressure them to reach some type of accommodation or recognize a red line, said Bernard Hudson, a former counterterrorism chief for the Central Intelligence Agency.

“The Soviets never considered Israel a permanent foe,” he said. “Iran’s leadership clearly does.”

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 10:47 am

Plasmamortar trying to play the role of the considered, detached intellectual.
But just a dumb c-nt, really.

And you’re playing the white knight trying to rescue an unappreciative damsel in distress.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 10:48 am

How a night of dancing and revelry in Israel turned into a massacre

The Tribe of Nova trance music festival, near Kibbutz Reim, was one of the first targets for Hamas militants as they launched their unprecedented attack on Israel.

The first rockets were fired just before dawn, arcing through the sky over thousands of revellers who had been dancing through the night at a trance music festival – billed as an event celebrating “friends, love and infinite freedom.”

Initially, some of the ravers didn’t notice the sound of the explosions over the thumping music. Others, used to rockets from Gaza, shrugged them off.

“We heard sirens and rockets, tons of rockets,” said Millet Ben Haim, 27, who attended the festival with a group of friends, posing with one of them just minutes before the attack and sticking her tongue out for the camera.

Then the music stopped. A voice boomed from the loudspeakers over the tented stages and the chill-out area that organisers described as a “playground for adults.”

“Guys, we have red alert,” the voice warned, in a video. “Red alert.”

Videos verified by The Post show people leaving hurriedly and in droves, a few jogging, many glancing back to look at the sky. “Everything okay,” a voice off camera says in English.

A person wearing a yellow safety vest, dressed in black directs crowds away from the stages. Then the gunfire started.

The first rockets were fired just before dawn, arcing through the sky over thousands of revellers who had been dancing through the night at a trance music festival – billed as an event celebrating “friends, love and infinite freedom.”

Initially, some of the ravers didn’t notice the sound of the explosions over the thumping music. Others, used to rockets from Gaza, shrugged them off.

“We heard sirens and rockets, tons of rockets,” said Millet Ben Haim, 27, who attended the festival with a group of friends, posing with one of them just minutes before the attack and sticking her tongue out for the camera.

Then the music stopped. A voice boomed from the loudspeakers over the tented stages and the chill-out area that organisers described as a “playground for adults.”

“Guys, we have red alert,” the voice warned, in a video. “Red alert.”

Videos verified by The Post show people leaving hurriedly and in droves, a few jogging, many glancing back to look at the sky. “Everything okay,” a voice off camera says in English.

A person wearing a yellow safety vest, dressed in black directs crowds away from the stages. Then the gunfire started.

The festival site was just three miles from the fence that divides Israel from the Gaza Strip and its besieged millions. The ravers were told not to bring firearms or sharp objects onto the festival grounds. They were tired and defenseless, trapped in a wide-open area that offered few hiding places.

Ben Haim saw the militants in the distance, closing in on foot. “I took the car keys from a friend of mine that was really wasted and got as many people in the car as possible and started driving like crazy,” she said. “The people who stayed, most of them got kidnapped or murdered.”

But cars were being shot at on the roads and there were gunmen everywhere, she said.

Gal Raz, 31, thinks it was less than an hour after the attack began when it became clear the area was being overrun. He also started to drive out with a group of friends.

“We heard shots. There were cars with corpses on top of them that blocked the road,” he said. “We couldn’t get out.”

Ben Haim and her friends jumped out and started to run through the fields.

“Every direction we ran we had more people shooting at us; we were running for two hours trying to escape. We started crawling in bushes. Eventually I realised I couldn’t run anymore.”

She and her friends and a stranger lay down in a bush and covered themselves with leaves.

“We stayed silent and tried to reach the police and people to help us. The police said they can’t help us because too many people were kidnapped.”

Noa Argamani, 25, was also hiding in the bushes with her 29-year-old boyfriend Avinatan Or, who messaged Argamani’s father around 10 a.m. to let him know they were safe.

The couple were trying to reassure him, said Shlomit Marciano, 25, a childhood friend of Argamani’s. It was the last message the family received.

On Saturday, they saw the couple in a video circulating on Palestinian social media. It shows Argamani screaming as she is separated from her boyfriend and driven off on a motorcycle.

Or appears to have his hands bound and is pushed along by several young men.

“You can absolutely see it was her,” said Marciano, who is staying with Argamani’s parents. “I think I haven’t fully accepted it yet; I slept in her bed last night. It’s crazy.”

Argamani had debated not going to the festival, but not because of security concerns. “If she knew it was tense right now, then I think she wouldn’t have gone, but we knew nothing,” Marciano said. “She wasn’t sure because it was far and expensive. I told her, ‘Go, you’re young.’ I regret that.”

A later video appears to show Argamani being held captive, sitting on cushions in a room with a tiled floor, sipping from a bottle of water. “At least we know she’s alive,” Marciano said.

Others don’t have that assurance.

Tali Atias believes that her 23-year-old daughter Dorin who she last heard from shortly before 7am on Saturday might be among the hostages. She told her mother that the area was being attacked and that she was seeking shelter.

Atias has posted on social media and called her daughter’s friends to find out where she is, but to no avail. “We don’t know what’s going on” or “what to do,” Atias

The family of Shani Louk feel similarly helpless. The 22-year-old posed for a mirror selfie just before parting for the rave, her long dreadlocks partially covered by a headscarf, looking coyly to the side, eyelids flicked with eyeliner.

“She loved to party,” said her cousin Tom Weintraub Louk, 30. Family members desperately tried reaching Louk and her Mexican boyfriend after news broke of the festival being overrun.

But then they saw the video posted online.

“We recognised her by the tattoos, and she has long dreadlocks,” Louk said.

In the video, the woman is facedown in the bed of the truck with four militants, apparently being paraded through Gaza. One holds her hair while another raises a gun in the air and shouts, “Allahu akbar!” A crowd follows the truck cheering. A boy spits in her hair.

While her cousin appears lifeless, the family is still holding out for news. “We have some kind of hope,” Louk said.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 10:49 am

Israeli rave goers run for their lives when Hamas militia paraglide in and start shooting

Youtube 1 Min 44 Secs – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ83Q7tM4A0

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
October 9, 2023 10:52 am

cohenite
Oct 9, 2023 9:49 AM
Re; what Israel should do. Last night I suggested nuking iran:

I suggest a 10 kt nuke for each woman.

I’m more of a megatonnage fan myself. If you are going to use such weapons then go big.

Terrible thoughts I know but when your nation faces an existential threat that is ongoing it is going to require extreme means to stop it once and for all.

I’m also a fan of nuclear weapons for Australia too.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:53 am

Plasmamortar

Oct 9, 2023 10:47 AM

Plasmamortar trying to play the role of the considered, detached intellectual.
But just a dumb c-nt, really.

And you’re playing the white knight trying to rescue an unappreciative damsel in distress.

None of the damsels here require my intervention.
I just fight dumb c-nts.
It’s what I do.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 10:55 am

Hmm, I see a rumour that two Australian girls were among those kidnapped from the rave. So far Canberra is saying all Australians are safe. I wonder which is correct?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 10:56 am

SHOCKER: Antony Blinken Who Agreed to Give $6 Billion to Iran Now Admits, “Iran Has Unfortunately Always Used and Focused its Funds on Supporting Terrorism”

BREAKING – SHOCKING: Secretary of State Antony Blinken (@ABlinken) who agreed with Biden to make available $6 billion for Iran, admits, “Iran has unfortunately always used and focused its funds on supporting terrorism.” WATCHpic.twitter.com/A2H1J9lC5R

On the 22nd Anniversary of the 9-11 attacks on America, Joe Biden finalized a deal to send $6 billion to the Iranian government in exchange for as many as five detained US dual nationals held by the brutal regime.

Iran is one of the top state sponsors of terrorism and has been for several years.

Biden regime lackey John Hudson reported the news at The Washington Post.

The Biden administration has issued a waiver for banks to transfer $6 billion in frozen Iranian oil funds without fear of U.S. sanctions — a key step in securing the release of five American citizens detained in Iran, people familiar with the matter said. As a part of the arrangement, the administration will release five Iranian citizens detained in the United States.

Congress was notified of the move on Monday, and it’s likely to come as a relief to U.S. prisoners’ families and supporters, many of whom have waited several years for the return of the detainees. It also is expected to come under harsh criticism from Republicans in Congress opposed to any agreement that allows for the release of frozen Iranian funds, money that is being transferred from South Korea to Qatar and limited for the purchase of humanitarian goods like food or medicine.

The deal marks a major breakthrough for the longtime adversaries who remain at loggerheads over a range of issues, including the rapid expansion of Tehran’s nuclear program, its ongoing military support for Russia and Iran’s harsh crackdown on dissent.

Three weeks ago, The Gateway Pundit predicted Iran would use the cash to fund their military and regional ambitions.

We were right. Iran’s Islamist proxy Hamas fired over 5,000 missiles into Israel in a surprise Sabbath attack.

Trump called it three weeks ago.

“Can you believe that Crooked Joe Biden is giving $6 Billion to the terrorist regime in Iran? That money be used for terrorism all over the Middle East, and, indeed, the World. This incompetent FOOL is absolutely destroying America. He had the audacity to announce this terrible deal today, September 11th. To pay for hostages will lead to kidnapping, ransom, and blackmail against Americans across the globe. I freed many dozens of our people from various unfriendly countries and never paid a dime!” Trump wrote on September 11.

The Israeli defense officials reported that Iran supplies weapons and intelligence to Hamas, Hezbollah, and another terrorist group, Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 10:56 am

None of the damsels here require my intervention.
I just fight dumb c-nts.
It’s what I do.

you go get em buddy

132andBush
132andBush
October 9, 2023 10:57 am

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides and then plays an interview of a Palestinian in Gaza who claims a relative was killed in an Israeli air strike.
Shut this shit show down!

Just in the barber’s chair for a cut and he had the ABC on.
They did a brief history of what’s led up to this, starting from the end of WW2. When it got to the Six Day War all they said was “In 1967 Israel occupied further Palestinian land after a short war” (or words to that effect).
Absolutely NO context and no mention of the fact that the resources of at least six Arab states were poised to wipe Israel off the map and Israel got the first punch in and only occupied land to ensure some form of security.

As Gez said.
Shut this shit show down!!

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:57 am

Going around villages rounding up Jews is quite reminiscent to evil that occurred in WW2. It will remind every Jew in the world.

I hope the payback is freaking brutal and God will split the difference in the afterlife.

Viva
Viva
October 9, 2023 10:59 am

Question I thought I would never ask:

Do the I sraeli intelligence services hate Netanyahu so much tney allowed this murderous incursion to occur to guarantee his eventual resignation?

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 9, 2023 11:00 am

Plasma,
It’s easy to be sitting on a moral high horse when you are not personally affected and implies a level of “mirror thinking” , ie believing your opponent thinks like you do.

We saw this I Germany in 1945 when Himmler thought the allies would ‘need’ him to fight the Soviets.

We also saw it in Japan, where signal intercepts show the Big 6 interpreted the Potsdam Declaration as a weakening of allied resolve (ie the thinking was something like… the allies are making concessions, which are terms … Germany didn’t get terms therefore their resolve is weakening and after a bloody landing we will be able to negotiate a surrender on better terms).

Israel will do what the allies did in 1945, unlike 1918, leave no doubt in its enemy’s minds that they have soundly beaten and punished. Then it may be magnanimous, just as the allies became at the end of the 40s.

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2023 11:02 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 11:02 am

WSJ: THIS IS IRAN’S WAR

Secretary of State Antony Blinken professes not to have seen any evidence that Iran planned and instigated Hamas’s war on Israel. Evidence is not hard to find. It is available on open sources and elsewhere.

The trouble is obvious. Blinken is being briefed by President Biden. The two have no clue.

Gabriel Noronha
@GLNoronha
BREAKING: Wall Street Journal confirms that Iran plotted, organized, and approved the attack on Israel with Hamas.

The plots started in August, the same month when Biden’s $6 billion ransom payment was announced.

https://wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25?st=gra2azg3dajwpz2&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:04 am

I hope the payback is freaking brutal and God will split the difference in the afterlife.

Fighting a long orthodox war is not the answer.
What is needed is a long, relentless campaign of targeted assassinations, until every last one of these feckers knows that becoming a Capo in Hamas is a terminal illness.
Then simply deny they are state sponsored actions. Just say they appear to be renegade operators.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:07 am

Indolent

Oct 9, 2023 11:02 AM

RFK Endorses AOC’s Green New Deal, Calls for Climate Taxation

Golly, that’s awkward.
I think JC, Rosie and others tried to warn the fan-bois of Mini-Me RFK about this.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 11:09 am

A couple of possibilities to explain Israel’s (and America’s) intelligence failures

In America, in the 60 years between Pearl Harbor and 9/11, our intelligence agencies fell prey to institutional rot. That didn’t change when they missed the Soviet Union’s collapse because, except for the humiliation, there was no real downside to America’s intelligence failure.

Entropy is inevitable in all systems, whether natural or manmade.

When it comes to national security, whether we’re talking about the whole bureaucracy or individuals within the bureaucracy, the trend will be to entropy.

When nothing happens, it’s hard to remain endlessly vigilant.

Indeed, even when bad things happen, humans eventually become inured. Constant adrenalin is impossible.

The same must hold true in Israel.

As I wrote yesterday, it’s been 50 years since a full-scale state-military attack on Israel. Even though Israel’s been on the receiving of endless smaller attacks, humans find it incredibly difficult to maintain a constant high level of vigilance.

Vigilance requires imminent fear, and Israel put systems in place that she thought would protect her and her citizens.

She could have instilled imminent, panicky fear into her frontline workers only by having told them that any failure on their part, no matter how small, would mean that they and their families would be summarily executed by hungry dogs, as they do in North Korea.

Eventually, fear gets calloused over, you get used to things, and you let your guard down.

This would mean that every single person in Israel’s intelligence services was doing his or her best work without any intention to harm the government, but each person’s best work just wasn’t that good.

I’d prefer to believe in entropy over evil.

Both would have exposed Israel to the events that occurred, but entropy can be fixed now that fear is again resurgent.

Evil is a corrosive rot that is almost impossible to root out.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 9, 2023 11:09 am

Good Lord.
How very Grampian.

I can see them from here ;

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 11:10 am

exclusive
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price in push for Senate inquiry into big companies giving millions to Yes campaign
Joe SpagnoloThe West Australian
Mon, 9 October 2023 2:00AM
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Australia’s biggest companies face being hauled before a Senate inquiry over their financial backing of the Yes campaign, with a senior No campaigner saying shareholders deserve answers.

Prominent Voice opponent Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said shareholders of various companies and entities which had donated money towards getting a Vote to Parliament over the line in Saturday’s referendum were not happy with the decision.

Senator Price said while she intended to raise the issue during upcoming Budget estimates, she would not rule out spearheading an inquiry into company donations, which she claimed had pushed the Yes campaign’s war chest to about $100 million.

“I have heard from people who have been shareholders of some of these ASX-listed companies that have said to me how angry they are that these decisions (to donate money to Yes campaign) have been made without them,” she said.

“They are seeking answers from the companies they are shareholders of to understand how decisions were made and why this money was being poured into such a divisive referendum.

“Shareholders have expressed their upset that they weren’t informed that the companies they are shareholders of made determinations about the donations without them.

“And they want to know how they came to those determinations without the knowledge of the shareholders in the first place and I think we will see that (discontent) continue.”

Senator Price said that either in Senate estimates, or during a Senate inquiry, questions would be asked whether any companies who donated to the Yes campaign were pressured by the Federal Government.

“If there appears we need an inquiry, that would not be off the table,” she said.

“If you count the physical money that has been poured into it as well as the in kind support, well then we are definitely looking at $100 million,” she said.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2023 11:10 am

We had a discussion here several weeks ago about the risks of EV’s in residential buildings. One popular conclusion was that if there actually was any sort of a problem specific to battery fires, we’d see it in the insurance market.

I’m here to tell you that the insurance market is all over the issue like a fat boy on a bag of lollies.

Our insurance broker tells us to expect significantly adjusted terms on renewal next year – apparently so significant that insurers are still working on the technical issues of exactly how to throw the risk around. Our BC manager tells us that several multi-res developments in Meanjin have decided to evict EV’s because of this.

In addition to EV’s and EV charging arrangements, insurers are also having a panic about storing and charging the far riskier li-ion batteries for e-bikes, scooters, and skateboards within apartments and common areas.

Fortunately, I expect Government has already thought about this and will have a Well-considered Plan for what to do next.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 11:10 am

I think a passive policy of retaliation-based expansion is the way to go, as well as targeted hits of high-value assets and personnel in enabling states.

You don’t want us to get big or die from a missile strike? Then stop attacking us.

It’s not as if they haven’t had warnings, many agreements have been broken. Several decades of detente and giving the PA a chance to run itself has run its course.

It is a reasonable approach because the ongoing conflict can end almost immediately without allowing Israel to literally become an empire. The Arab-Islamic world has a choice.

Crossie
Crossie
October 9, 2023 11:11 am

Top Ender
Oct 9, 2023 9:01 AM
Iran helped plan Hamas attack on Israel that killed at least 700 and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday: Islamic Revolutionary Guards devised land, air and sea assault that has left Middle East on brink of all-out war

Israel has no choice but to bomb Iranian military targets, they must pay for these war crimes.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 9, 2023 11:11 am

Top story at Daily Mail

Sunrise host Natalie Barr has unleashed at Anthony Albanese as support for the Indigenous Voice to Parliament plummets, declaring it a ‘disaster’ for his leadership. During a fiery interview on Monday morning, Barr highlighted recent polls showing an increase for the No vote just five days out from the referendum. Support for the Voice has fallen to 34 per cent in the past fortnight, according to the latest poll released on Monday.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 11:12 am

Israel will do what the allies did in 1945, unlike 1918, leave no doubt in its enemy’s minds that they have soundly beaten and punished. Then it may be magnanimous, just as the allies became at the end of the 40s

However:

Unlike the Sons of Nippon, there is very little chance that the Palis will become proficient at making TVs and stereos within 20 years. Potentially, though, they may develop a tentacle-based anime indistry.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 11:13 am

Israel will do what the allies did in 1945, unlike 1918, leave no doubt in its enemy’s minds that they have soundly beaten and punished.

What I’m reading today is exactly that. This event is as galvanizing for the Israelis as the Twin Towers were for Americans. Gloves are about to come off.

The problem with that, and as I think Hamas intended, is that muslim countries will be under immense pressure to side with Hamas. I’m not sure they’re strong enough to withstand the angst of their populations.

We may be about to enter interesting times, as the Chinese say.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 11:15 am

Israel’s 9/11

One side is civilization – the other is barbarism.

In Norway, where I live, there is a very useful word: ukultur.

Kultur, of course, means culture.

Ukultur is the word for a culture that lacks, well, culture

Which is to say, a culture that preaches, and practices, barbarism.

There is no greater ukultur on Earth than Islam.

And in the entire Islamic world, there is no denser concentration of ukultur than in the Gaza Strip.

For decades, America and other Western nations have poured extraordinary sums of cash into that tiny area in the utterly misbegotten expectation that the savages who live there, if handed enough money, will choose to civilize themselves.

This notion has never been anything less than insanity.

Why? Here’s why.

Islam, even at its best, is nothing to write home about.

It’s a violence-obsessed ideology, masquerading as a peaceful religion, that preaches the conquest and murder of infidels.

In some parts of the Muslim world, Islam is less violent than in others.

But in the Gaza Strip, under Hamas, the terrorist organization that has governed it since 2007, Islam dials up to eleven.

Being that close to the Jewish enemy – even though the Jewish enemy supplies everything from water to emergency health care to Gazans – must make the Jew-hatred just too much to contain.

Hence the walls and fences. Hence the Iron Dome, which apparently failed this time around.

And yet the dollars and euros and pounds and kroner have kept on flowing to these monsters with nothing but Jew-hatred on their minds.

And not just to Hamas, but also to Iran, which helps fund Hamas.

In 2016, the Obama Administration transferred $1.7 billion to Iran. In September, the Biden Administration sent $6 billion.

Biden’s people got Iran to promise that those funds would only be used for “humanitarian purposes” – as if anyone could trust the promises of the Iranian regime.

What proportion of those American funds, sent to Gaza and to Iran, paid for the weapons that murdered innocent Israelis yesterday?

Yesterday, photographs that were censored by the mainstream media could be viewed, if only briefly, on social media. They showed Israeli women and children being cruelly brutalized.

Israel does not treat Palestinians that way.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:15 am

I can see them from here ;

Resist the temptation and don’t take my half track parking space at the Halls Gap pub.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 11:16 am

Carr draws ire for declaring Hamas ‘tactical success’
Ben Packham
Ben Packham

Former foreign minister Bob Carr, a longtime critic of Israel, has been blasted online after declaring Hamas had “won a tactical success” and that Palestinians “have a right to resist an illegal occupation”.

In a series of social media posts on X, Mr Carr said everyday Palestinians would pay for the attacks, while not mentioning the huge Israeli death toll and the kidnapping of Israeli citizens.

“Between the suicidal instincts of Hamas and the dominance of Israeli air power the losers will be long suffering Palestinians in what is the world’s largest refugee camp,” he said.

Mr Carr, also a former NSW premier, said mainstream Palestinian moderates “deserve world attention and support, now more than ever”.

Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council chairman Mark Liebler responded: “Bob – just how far does your hatred for Israel and the Jewish people go? You did not even condemn the sickening attack by Hamas against Israel’s civilian population. Shame on you!”

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 9, 2023 11:20 am

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides …

Standby for that lovey favourite, disproportionate response,
getting a run.

Arky
October 9, 2023 11:22 am

Oh fantastic.
The world is about to be flooded with another wave of 20 something militant male refugees.
Expect the silly old ladies in our Western churches to start hanging out the welcome signs again.
It’s what Jesus would have done you know.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:23 am

Former foreign minister Bob Carr,

Best we not be reminded of that. Not the (then) Australian government’s finest hour. Potentially the only thing he’s ever been right on is steel cut oats. The mantle of Australia’s worst Premier has long since past. Boob was a long time clubhouse leader.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 11:24 am

From the Oz…..

Corporate Australia has ‘misread the national mood’ on the voice

One of the largest donors to the No campaign has warned that conservative viewpoints are being deliberately stamped out of the nation’s boardrooms, as the gulf widens between corporate Australia and the average person.
By JOE KELLY

Simon Fenwick, one of the top five donors to the No campaign, has hit out at corporate Australia for misreading the national mood on the Voice to parliament, warning that conservative viewpoints were being deliberately stamped out of the nation’s boardrooms.

The 53-year-old who left Brisbane in the mid-1990s for London and New York where he helped start up the multibillion-dollar fund management firm International Value Advisers has voiced alarm at what he believes is a growing gulf between corporate Australia and the average Australian.

He warned there was a double standard, where wealthy donors to progressive causes did not face the same stigma or backlash as conservative donors and that start-ups he was working with had been targeted because of his stance on the referendum.

“Mike Cannon-Brookes is willing to donate to fashionable causes. He finds little or no backlash in most of the mainstream media. However, if you donate to conservative causes, there is an aggressive backlash and the progressives are very aggressive and cunning at targeting this,” Mr Fenwick said.

“Where it gets more concerning is where small businesses, where I am on the board, are being targeted. The claim being that I’m against the Voice, therefore I am anti-Aboriginal therefore you should cancel working with them,” Mr Fenwick said.

Speaking publicly about his decision to donate $750,000 to the No campaign, Mr Fenwick said he was deeply concerned the Voice to parliament would divide the country, “creating a permanent grievance industry which is something I witnessed in the US”.

Mr Fenwick, who also sits on the board of free-market think-tank the Institute of Public Affairs, told The Australian he had made three separate donations of $250,000 since April towards the Fair Australia campaign and argued it was important to speak out given the lack of support for the No case from big business donors.

“In terms of the CEOs of the publicly listed ASX 200, I don’t believe there’s a single No,” Mr Fenwick said.

“How could so many CEOs read the temperature so badly (on the Voice)? What gives them the right to think they speak for the shareholders, customers and staff? I would say it’s hubristic.

“I hope this is the start of a ­process to get back to focusing on bread-and-butter issues and running their companies.”

Mr Fenwick also said there was a distinction between opposing the Voice and supporting efforts to close the gap, saying that a lot of his philanthropic work was aimed at “moving the needle on Aboriginal outcomes”.

Nine years ago, he established a scholarship endowment at Brisbane Grammar School for Aboriginal students and he sits on the board of the University of Queensland endowment fund aimed at providing opportunities to disadvantaged students.

Mr Fenwick said he was a supporter of the Yalari organisation, a not-for-profit organisation offering education scholarships for Indigenous children from regional, rural and remote communities.

“This struck me as an area where Australia was really lagging behind, because in many respects Australia had become a much wealthier country in the two decades I’d been away and yet outcomes for our most disadvantaged people were more or less flat,” he said. “And so in speaking to a few people about it, it seemed the best way to undo this was via education.”

Mr Fenwick, who started donating to Advance Australia (now known as Advance) after it was established in 2018 and sits on its advisory board, also confirmed that he had donated about $500,000 to political candidates backed by Clive Palmer, One Nation, the Nationals, the Liberal Democrats, and the Liberal Party since returning to Australia in 2014.

His approach was to back candidates whose policies he personally agreed with.

He said that he was not aligned with the Liberals on a range of issues from the target of reaching net zero by 2050 or on lockdown and vaccination mandate policies.

Before the referendum campaign, he donated about $1m of his own money to support campaigns run by Advance across “the gamut of issues” from energy to free-speech because he was concerned free market and ­conservative groups were “not only disorganised but missing from the field” and unable to ­compete with Left-wing activist groups such as GetUp.

“It felt that it was an unfair fight and to be frank conservatives were amateurish and not recognising the changing media landscape,” he said.

The Australian has previously revealed that Clive Palmer would spend $2m promoting the No vote, including a final-week advertising blitz in South Australia and Tasmania, but this would not be funnelled through the Fair Australia campaign.

By late September, the No campaign had amassed more than $13m from almost 40,500 donations since November last year. From July 1, the No campaign’s Australians for Unity funding vehicle collected $7.6m from 21,033 donations, with an average gift size of $361.

Yes23, which rejects being ­labelled a corporate-funded movement, received $1.6m in grassroots donations in September with average gifts of about $187.

However, the Yes campaign expects to raise at least $50m through its Australians for Indigenous Constitutional Recognition funding vehicle.”

Good to see someone in business speaking up. Thank you Simon Fenwick.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:25 am

Standby for that lovey favourite, disproportionate response,
getting a run.

Anyone with that on their ALPBC Bingo card will be looking good.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 11:27 am

Macho man Boob Carr, who met convicted criminals “face to face” kitted up with body armour (and probably a personal safety whistle) behind 4″ of lion-proof plexi glass with prison special ops guards armed with HK MP5 [9 mm Browning] sub-machine guns and several NSW POL plains clothes close personal protection officers, armed with semi-auto high calibre handguns…

…has weighed in on a foreign, unarmed civilian population routinely bombed by fanatics over a quasi-international border only a few miles away with Iranian-supplied, military-grade rockets, drones and bombs…

Fixed that for you, internet peoples.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 11:28 am

PLAIN

These auto correct AI programmes are complete dicks.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 11:29 am

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides …

Standby for that lovey favourite, disproportionate response,
getting a run.

Terrorist Theatre is also operating with gusto. Lots of Palis getting videoed with dead babies in Gaza atm. I suspect they’re just as fake as usual, unless they’re casualties of drop shorts from the Hamas rocketeers. On the other hand the IDF is probably less likely to carefully roofknock targets than they usually would, so there’s that.

Gaza Terrorist Theater: Helpful photo montage | Power Line (2012)

Crossie
Crossie
October 9, 2023 11:32 am

The problem with that, and as I think Hamas intended, is that muslim countries will be under immense pressure to side with Hamas. I’m not sure they’re strong enough to withstand the angst of their populations.

If the Gulf states get on board with Hamas and Palestinians it will ruin their airline businesses which are currently undercutting other airlines. Ironically that could save Qantas when customers start abandoning Emirates, Qatar and Etihad airlines.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2023 11:32 am

The Australian has previously revealed that Clive Palmer would spend $2m promoting the No vote, including a final-week advertising blitz in South Australia and Tasmania, but this would not be funnelled through the Fair Australia campaign.

Palmer is running No advertising on the Meanjin electric television – under the banner of Mineralogy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:36 am

If the Gulf states get on board with Hamas and Palestinians it will ruin their airline businesses which are currently undercutting other airlines.

Flying Sand Monkey Air always had a high hidden component. Not any longer. Ditto many aspects of trade and commerce, from time immemorial.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 11:37 am

God bless the fat bastard. He’s actually my favourite litigant. It’s a shame the High Court rolled over for a tummy rub on that ridiculous border closure decision.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:39 am

He’s actually my favourite litigant.

I’m much the same with any case with Richo called as a witness.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 9, 2023 11:40 am

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Oct 9, 2023 11:10 AM
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Jacinta Nampijinpa Price in push for Senate inquiry into big companies giving millions to Yes campaign
Joe SpagnoloThe West Australian
Mon, 9 October 2023 2:00AM
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Australia’s biggest companies face being hauled before a Senate inquiry over their financial backing of the Yes campaign, with a senior No campaigner saying shareholders deserve answers.

Prominent Voice opponent Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said shareholders of various companies and entities which had donated money towards getting a Vote to Parliament over the line in Saturday’s referendum were not happy with the decision.

This will cause the Slime some grief. Should they support the “right” of company executives to use shareholders’ dough for political causes (but only those that the Slime support), or should they get stuck into Big Business?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 11:44 am

Memories – Wife mentioned that her Sister’s Grandchild in Mackay (who helped in selection of Townhouse investment in Mackay) having finished High School had applied for a Secretarial Position in Law Firm.

Sent message to SIL suggesting her Grandaughter look at Sydney Uni

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Better for SIL Grandaughter to enter workforce and start earning money whilst doing Diploma of Law online

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Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
October 9, 2023 11:50 am

Boambee John
Oct 9, 2023 8:25 AM
Plasmamortar
Oct 8, 2023 11:03 PM
Yes, your sneering is okay too, I expect that when you pop your head up here.

More resignation than anything…
You said you were Jewish and have family over there.

You have an understandable viewpont based on who you are…

I’m not Jewish, nor do I have family in the ME, I support Cassie, JC, BBS, Pogria and others on this subject.

I don’t often comment here, but recent events, and some piss poor commentary here compell me to make a statement or two.

I don’t have a dog in the fight in the Middle East (as they say).

But I strongly support Cassie and the others here.

Israel is the only democracy in that part of the world and a beacon of freedom in a swamp of dictatorships.

Given what we have seen on social media (uploaded by the perpetrators themselves), surely wishing all the best for Israel in its time of need doesn’t require you to have friends or family in the area.

IMO, I have seen the face of evil and I am mightily angry, and hope that Israel visits punishment and retribution on the guilty. To wish otherwise is to support such barbarous acts. I don’t understand how anyone could do so.

BTW, those consistently downticking Cassie and the others, IMO, show how degraded they are as humans.

Rant over.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 9, 2023 11:59 am

Brisbane Doc Faustus. It’s Brisbane 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 11:59 am

NSW plod leaps into action!

Hundreds attend pro-Palestine rally in southwest Sydney to support Hamas attack on Israel which killed more than 700 people (Sky News, 9 Oct)

NSW Police have launched an investigation to identify the vehicle which lit fireworks through the streets of southwest Sydney to celebrate the attacks on Israel.

Hundreds of onlookers were seen cheering and shouting in celebration of the Palestinian attacks, with fireworks shooting out from a vehicle.

“Attendees complied with all police directions and no significant issues arose, with no arrests made.”

A police spokesperson did however confirm an investigation was underway to identify the vehicle and its occupants who lit fireworks in the streets.

There you go, unauthorized fireworks are worse than celebrating the massacre of 700 defenseless people.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 12:02 pm

There you go, unauthorized fireworks are worse than celebrating the massacre of 700 defenseless people.

Problem for them is, the unauthorised fireworks are the only actual law that has been broken.

Cheering for the deaths of hundreds of people may be abhorrent, but it is not illegal.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 9, 2023 12:07 pm

Dr Faustus, is there any particular reason why every time you mention Brisbane you only do so by using the word Meanjin ?
It is clearly deliberate and you have been doing it for months.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 9, 2023 12:08 pm

I see Blackball also noted same point.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 12:08 pm

Problem for them is, the unauthorised fireworks are the only actual law that has been broken.

Nooo, that would not in fact be accurate.

Hate speech laws in Australia (wiki)

But special people are special, so I suspect nothing will come of it.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
October 9, 2023 12:09 pm

If Hamas still exists after this we’ll know Israel’s response wasn’t the right proportion.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2023 12:12 pm

“Attendees complied with all police directions and no significant issues arose, with no arrests made.”
A police spokesperson did however confirm an investigation was underway to identify the vehicle and its occupants who lit fireworks in the streets.

Soooooo! .. plod was there .. vehicle in full sight breaking “law(s)” .. somehow or other no plod noticed the fireworks or vehicle numberplate at the time but, and I’m guessing here, someone or other, with enuf clout, saw footage, arched eyebrows, and now plod is investigating an offence it should have stopped then & there! ……

methinx, plod was well aware of the “offence” but decided pepper-spraying OAPs during lockdowns is a safer option than engaging “real time” with neanderthals at play ..!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 12:13 pm

Dr Faustus, is there any particular reason why every time you mention Brisbane you only do so by using the word Meanjin ?

Bourne – it’s irony. And satire. On the other hand it’d be fun if Brisbane was named after a lefty magazine.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 12:13 pm

Nooo, that would not in fact be accurate.

Hate speech laws in Australia (wiki)

But special people are special, so I suspect nothing will come of it.

True, it would be interesting if people are out celebrating a resounding ‘NO’ victory in the same way this Saturday night and see if there are no arrests made…

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 9, 2023 12:14 pm

Tragic events in Israel, for all.

Hamas know what is coming.
The sheer scale of the attack makes it inconceivable, that the Israeli Intelligence network missed it.
The footage, released and designed by Hamas to be confronting, certainly was.
The fact that they took over several Army posts, is unprecedented. The carnage that was portrayed in them was very daunting.

The hostage taking puts this action on a new level. Hamas even captured a Special Forces General.
The photograph released of this, was very unusual. The faces of the Hamas guys were not covered, but their weapons were. Why would they do that? Were they meant for another conflict, but on sold?

My sympathies obviously go to the victims and especially to the families of the hostages. Hamas did say that they would aid in the release of prisoners, but, we shall see.
Will Hezbollah act in the North?
The Yanks have said they will assist, even with boots on the ground. (????)
Does this mean action against Iran? What do they have left to give?

Perhaps if the disastrous policies of Oh-Bummer and Biden were avoided, particularly the doling out of $Billions in cash to obvious threatening organisations, the situation may not now be quite as catastrophic. Alas, …..

A few months ago, they even took out a store of 155mm arty shells, from Israel, for another conflict.
Given the track record of Uncle Sam since 1945, I would not be picking a fight with Iran, at their home ground. They couldn’t even defeat the goat herders in Afghanistan.

Egypt even made a veiled threat last night. “Israel has the right of self defence, but if they hit anything other than military targets, we will strike Israel.”
Again, they must know what the Israeli reaction will be. Does this mean they have cover from another country?

Netanyahu told “non Hamas” Gazan’s to leave Gaza.
How do they do that and where do they go? I have sympathy for them as well.
There will be no winners out of all this, let us all hope others are not sucked into the conflict.
Perhaps a prayer for the hostages, may not go astray.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 12:14 pm

Marriage has been divorced from love

Even conservatives fail to grasp its value

Because there is nothing Americans will not politicise, marriage is now at the heart of a culture war.

On the traditionalist side, a loose assortment of classical conservatives, terminally online reactionary trad types, and the odd dissident feminist have coalesced around the idea that the sexual revolution has led to widespread malaise in society generally and among women particularly, for which marriage is the – or at least, a cure.

The more reasonable pundits point to the benefits of wedlock when it comes to our health, happiness, and ability to provide a stable family structure in which to raise children.

The kookier tradfolk suggest that modern women have been hoodwinked by feminism into a barren existence, squandering their potential – that is, their biological imperative to become wives and mothers- in the frivolous pursuits of career, pop culture, and cat ownership.

As conservative commentator Matt Walsh recently complained, the women who imagine themselves to be single and content are just “too stupid to realise how depressing this is”.

On the progressive side, meanwhile, marriage has become synonymous with misery:

an institution that demands women sacrifice their professional ambitions and passions alike, putting themselves second — and picking up some unappreciative schlub’s dirty socks — for the rest of their lives.

This perspective was recently articulated in The Cut by Rebecca Traister, who lamented that “hard-right commentators and politicians” were championing marriage not for the betterment of society, but to worsen the prospects of women who finally had equality within reach: “reversing the progress – from legal abortion to affirmative action to no-fault divorce – that has enabled women to have economic and social stability independent of marriage”.

In a worldview where men are portrayed as burdensome creatures who ask too much, offer too little, and inevitably fail to deserve the female companionship they crave, to eschew marriage becomes a form of feminist empowerment, the only path to a fully actualised life.

At its extremes, this perspective is accompanied by the sense that men in general are a waste of one’s time and hot girl potential, and that any woman who thinks otherwise just hasn’t found the right television series and/or brand of vibrator.

The result is a zero-sum rhetorical hellscape in which marriage is one of two things.

For its supporters, it is the last, best hope of a society on the brink of decline and disaster. For its detractors, it is an insidious ploy by reactionary dinosaurs to catapult us back to a less enlightened paradigm, just as we were nearing the utopian promise of a brave new world.

A better conversation about marriage would be one that recognises how much of its value lies in things that can’t be measured or legislated, in the realm of the intangible. Intimacy.

Companionship. The presence and rhythm of another heart beating beside you in the dark.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2023 12:14 pm

Cheering for the deaths of hundreds of people may be abhorrent, but it is not illegal.

and it shouldn’t be.

I’m happy for free speech – better these idiots out themselves and the greater public is exposed to their true beliefs.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 12:16 pm

Arresting muzzies when they don’t even have to get their cousins on the phone would be against OH&S guidelines, particularly in SW Sydney.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2023 12:16 pm

If Hamas still exists after this we’ll know Israel’s response wasn’t the right proportion.

I’m betting the HAMAS hierarchy seen cheering from Qatar will be considering a move to Tehran for “better” accomodation ……

areff
areff
October 9, 2023 12:16 pm

English she is tricky lingua.

A press release from a gay group seeking the right to donate blood which hilariously corrects an earlier press release:

Dear editor,

There was a small but important grammatical error in our media statement. The word “only” was in the wrong place in the following sentence:

We wrote
Dr Dane said Let Us Give does not support the proposal to only allow gay men to donate plasma.

It should have been
Dr Dane said Let Us Give does not support the proposal to allow gay men to only donate plasma.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 12:23 pm

An incredibly dangerous moment on multiple fronts

The shock waves this war will unleash will not only thrust Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza into turmoil but will also slam into Ukraine and Saudi Arabia and most likely Iran.

Thomas L. Friedman

When I need the most accurate analysis about Israel, the first call I make is to my longtime friend and reporting partner there, Nahum Barnea, a veteran Yediot newspaper columnist.

When I called him on Saturday afternoon for his read on the Hamas attack on Israel, I was stunned by his first response: “This is the worst day that I can remember in military terms in the history of Israel, including the blunder of the Yom Kippur war, which was terrible.”

Nahum is a careful reporter who has covered every major event in Israel for the past half century, and when he explained his rationale, I realised it was an understatement.

This is not your usual Hamas-Israel dust-up. The Gaza-Israel border is only 60 kilometres long, but the shock waves this war will unleash will not only thrust Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza into turmoil but also slam into Ukraine and Saudi Arabia, and most likely Iran.

Why? Any prolonged Israel-Hamas war could divert more US military equipment needed by Ukraine to Israel, and it will make the proposed Saudi-Israeli normalisation deal impossible – for now. And if it turns out that Iran encouraged the Hamas attack to scuttle that Israeli-Saudi deal, it could raise tensions between Israel and Iran and Iran’s Lebanese proxy, Hezbollah, and also between Saudi Arabia and Iran. This is an incredibly dangerous moment on multiple fronts.

But going back to Nahum’s point: why is this war such a disaster for Israel, worse than the Yom Kippur surprise attack from Egypt and Syria, which happened 50 years and one day ago? For starters, says Nahum, there is the sheer humiliation of it for the Israeli military: “In 1973 we were attacked by the biggest Arab army, Egypt.”

This time Israel was invaded in 22 locations outside the Gaza Strip, including communities as far as 24 km inside Israel, by a military force belonging to “the equivalent of Luxembourg”. And yet, this tiny force not only invaded Israel, overwhelming Israeli border troops, but it also took Israeli hostages back to Gaza across that same border – one where Israel had spent roughly $US1 billion ($1.57 billion) erecting a barrier that was supposed to be virtually impenetrable. That is a shocking blow to Israel’s deterrent capabilities.

Second, he notes, Israel has always prided itself on the ability of its intelligence services to penetrate Hamas and Palestinian militants in the West Bank and get early warnings.

For the past few weeks, as anyone following the news from Israel knows, Hamas was conducting what appeared to be practice manoeuvres for just this kind of attack all along the Gaza border – right before the eyes of the Israeli military.

But it appears that Israeli intelligence interpreted the moves as Hamas just trying to mess with the heads of the Israeli military and make commanders a little nervous, not as a prelude for an attack.

Israeli intelligence apparently believed that Hamas desperately needed more financial assistance from Qatar, which has given Hamas more than $US1 billion in aid since 2012, and work permits for Gazans to work in Israel – and both Israel and Qatar have always required a quiet border in return.

“The intelligence interpretation is that they were training for something that they would never dare to do,” Nahum says. “It was bad judgment and arrogance.” Hamas instead launched an incredibly complex and sophisticated invasion from land and sea.

But now we get to the really terrible part for Israel. Hamas was not only able to cross into Israel and attack its communities and army bases, but it was also able to kidnap several Israelis – reportedly including some older people, children and at least one soldier – and take them back to Gaza. Associated Press photos “showed an abducted elderly Israeli woman being brought back into Gaza on a golf cart by Hamas gunmen and another woman squeezed between two fighters on a motorcycle,” AP reported. Pictures of Israeli bodies taken to Gaza and being dragged into the streets were circulating on the internet.

At the same time, Palestinian fighters took groups of Israelis hostage in the border communities of Be’eri and Ofakim, but they were eventually freed by Israeli special forces.

The hostage hindrance

This is going to be a huge problem for Israel. In a previous term, in 2011, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded 1027 Palestinian prisoners, including 280 serving life sentences, to get one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, back from Hamas in Gaza. He might be called on to empty every Israeli prison of Palestinians if Hamas is holding older people and children in Gaza, Nahum notes.

On Saturday, Netanyahu promised to deliver a crushing blow to Hamas in Gaza, but what if Hamas is holding Israeli civilians who could be used as human shields? That will curb Israel’s room for retaliation.

“Everything the army does in Gaza going forward will require them to take into account the impact it could have on the lives of civilian hostages,” Nahum says.

Finally, Nahum notes, the top ranks of the military and the prime minister, who chairs the security cabinet, know right now that down the road there will probably be some kind of commission of inquiry into how the Hamas invasion was allowed to happen.

So they must now conduct this war, make excruciating decisions about trade-offs among deterrence, retaliation, getting hostages back from Hamas and maybe even invading Gaza, knowing all the time that even if they manage all of these perfectly, some kind of inquiry awaits them at the end of the road. It is not easy to think straight under those conditions.

As this column has been pointing out ever since Netanyahu came back to power, his politics of division have done terrible damage to Israel. He prioritised a judicial putsch to strip the Israeli Supreme Court of its power to oversee his government – over all other priorities. In the process, he fractured Israeli society and its military. And people have been warning for months how dangerous this could be.

Just this past week I quoted a former director-general of the Israeli Defence Ministry, Dan Harel, telling a Tel Aviv democracy rally that “I have never seen our national security in a worse state” and that there has already been damage to the reserve units of essential Israel Defence Forces formations, “which has reduced readiness and operational capability”.

But as bad as Netanyahu has been for Israel, Hamas has been a deadly curse for the Palestinian people since it took over Gaza in 2007. The billion-plus dollars in aid that it received from Qatar alone over the years could have gone into building Gaza into a productive society, with decent schools, universities and infrastructure, that might have been a model for a future Palestinian state with the West Bank.

Instead, Hamas has devoted most of its energies and resources to digging tunnels into Israel and building rockets to try to destroy a vastly more powerful enemy – thus depriving Gazans of any chance to realise their full potential, via a government that is decent, democratic and productive.

Behest of Iran?

Why did Hamas launch this war now, without any immediate provocation? One has to wonder if it was not on behalf of the Palestinian people but rather at the behest of Iran, an important supplier of money and arms to Hamas, to help prevent the budding normalisation of relations between Saudi Arabia, Iran’s rival, and Israel.

Such a deal, as it was being drawn up, would also benefit the more moderate West Bank Palestinian Authority – by delivering it a huge infusion of cash from Saudi Arabia, as well as curbs on Israeli settlements in the West Bank and other advances to preserve a two-state solution. As a result, West Bank leaders might have earned a desperately needed boost of legitimacy from the Palestinian masses, threatening the legitimacy of Hamas.

That US-Saudi-Israel deal also would have been a diplomatic earthquake that would have most likely required Netanyahu to jettison the most extreme members of his cabinet in return for forging an alliance between the Jewish state and the Sunni-led states of the Persian Gulf against Iran. Altogether, it would have been one of the biggest shifts in the tectonic plates of the region in 75 years. Following this Hamas attack, that deal is now in the deep freeze, as the Saudis have had to link themselves more closely than ever with Palestinian interests, not just their own.

Indeed, within hours of the Hamas invasion, Saudi Arabia issued a statement saying, according to Al-Arabiya network: “The kingdom is closely following up on the unprecedented developments between a number of Palestinian factions and the Israeli occupying forces,” adding that it has “repeatedly warned of the consequences of [the deterioration] of the situation as a result of the occupation as well as of depriving the Palestinian people of their legitimate rights and of [not halting] systematic provocations against their holy sites.”

I am watching how the Hamas-Israel earthquake will shake up another earthquake.

Ukraine was already dealing with the temblors in the US government. The toppling of the speaker of the House, combined with an increasingly vocal minority of Republican lawmakers – shockingly to me – coming out against any more economic and military aid to Ukraine has created a political mess that has resulted, for now, in no more US aid for Ukraine being approved. If Israel is about to invade Gaza and embark on a long war, Ukraine will have to worry about competition from Tel Aviv for Patriot missiles as well as 155mm artillery shells and other basic armaments that Ukraine desperately needs more of and Israel surely will, too.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has noticed. Last Thursday in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, he said Ukraine was being propped up “thanks to multibillion donations that come each month”. He added, “Just imagine the aid stops tomorrow.” Ukraine “will live for only a week when they run out of ammo”.

Can anything good come from this terrible new Hamas-Israel war? It’s far too early to say, but another longtime Israeli friend and analyst I trust, Professor Victor Friedman (no relation), who teaches behavioural science at Jezreel Valley College in central Israel and knows the Israeli Arab community very well, wrote to me late on Saturday, saying: “This horrid situation is still an opportunity, just like the Yom Kippur war turned out to be an opportunity that ended with a peace agreement with Egypt. The only real victory will be if what happens next – probably Israel going into Gaza – creates conditions for a real, stable settlement with the Palestinians.”

In light of what the Palestinians did on Saturday, he says, they can “claim some ‘victory,’ no matter what happens next”. The point is, he adds, “Someone needs to think beyond more force and more force.”

Personally, I do not believe that Hamas can ever be a partner for a secure peace with Israel. Hamas has had way too many chances for way too many years to prove that the responsibilities of governing in Gaza would moderate its goal of destroying the Jewish state. It turns out to be nothing more than a Palestinian Islamist mafia, interested only in preserving its grip on Gaza and ready to serve as a cat’s paw for Iran instead of making its main goal a new future for Palestinians there and in the West Bank. Its history of rule in Gaza is shameful.

But the Palestinian Authority can be a partner. So if there is going to be an Israeli invasion of Gaza to try to destroy Hamas, it has to be paired with a political initiative that empowers and helps to strengthen that Palestinian Authority so we can forge, as Victor puts it, “a settlement that provides all sides with something they can live with. Otherwise, sooner or later, we will be right back in the same situation – only worse. That was the true lesson of the Yom Kippur war.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

Viva
Viva
October 9, 2023 12:24 pm

NSW Police have launched an investigation to identify the vehicle which lit fireworks through the streets of southwest Sydney to celebrate the attacks on Israel.

Mark Steyn writes:

How stupid do you have to be to watch that video of poor Miss Louk and then the jubilations across the “multicultural” west and not to make any connection?

That Gaza kid John Hinderaker mentions? The one spitting on poor Shana Louk’s naked body?

In ten years’ time, he’ll be living in Munich, or Marseilles, or Manchester, Manitoba, Michigan…

It’s the future you’ve made.

https://www.steynonline.com/13818/proportionate-about-gang-rape

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 12:25 pm

I was never responsible for drafting press releases but did have access to the ASX announcements platform for a while there. After bouncing back and forth drafts of a proposed release with an ASX100 conglomerate I eventually pushed the button on an earlier draft. They were less than impressed. In the words of Tony Abbott, “Shit happens”.

bons
bons
October 9, 2023 12:25 pm

Not just the Corporates Jacinta.
The opaque Union (Industry!!) Super Funds are right into it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 12:26 pm

Because there is nothing Americans will not politicise, marriage is now at the heart of a culture war.

Marriage is very good for children.

Young children who are close to their parents are more likely to grow up kind, helpful and ‘prosocial’ (Phys.org, 8 Oct)

We righties knew this all along, but it’s nice to see scientific studies appear to support our views. Won’t change things much, since the Left are misanthropes.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 12:30 pm

Horror unleashed by Hamas: Bodies of young revelers killed by horde of terrorists are piled on top of each other in makeshift tents – as it’s revealed father is missing after he rushed to save his 20-year-old daughter at festival

. The father of a 20-year-old woman attending a music festival that came under attack from Hamas terrorists has gone missing
. About 260 people are believed to have been killed at the festival with new photos being released that show bodies piled high
. Hamas is believed to be holding more than 100 hostages while the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are reporting more than 700 Israeli’s dead with 2,150 injured

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 9, 2023 12:30 pm

The feckin’ Oirish were hardly a surprise.
Amnesty neither, given the feckin’ Oirish founder’s mam was noisily anti-Semitic.

Jorge
Jorge
October 9, 2023 12:33 pm

9/11 was a defining event.

Looks as if this might rank with it as Israel’s declaration of war expands to Iran as more info comes in.

Over the last few months there has been a lot of stuff about a big event coming in October. A number of Catholic seers mentioned it as well as others given to conspiracies. World changing, historic in importance etc.

Islam behind both 9/11 and this. Time to recognise it and pull out all stops like we did for Nazism.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 12:33 pm

Anthony Albanese’s popularity hits an all time low as new polls shows support for the Voice plummeting further: ‘It’s over’

. Support for Yes vote slumped to 34 per cent
. Satisfaction with Albanese fell to 45 per cent
. No vote outnumbered Yes case in every demographic

bons
bons
October 9, 2023 12:33 pm

Has the charming ‘Sheikh’ who addressed the baying animals at the Lakemba demo been deported yet?
Not yet! Really?

Tom
Tom
October 9, 2023 12:41 pm

Anthony Albanese’s popularity hits an all time low as new polls shows support for the Voice plummeting further: ‘It’s over’

The rubber will hit the road in the party room of the Faceless Men when Uncle Luigi’s lack of popularity starts eating the Liars primary vote in the month after the apartheid referendum.

Pogria
Pogria
October 9, 2023 12:48 pm

Dirty Sanchez stands with Palestine, of course.
States, “they were provoked”.
Any publicity, eh Lydia?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 12:51 pm

New large-scale nationwide poll predicts less than 15 per cent of electorates will vote Yes in massive blow to the Voice

The Yes campaign has been dealt another devastating blow with only 22 federal electorates out of 151 set to vote for the Voice to Parliament according to leaked polls.

Andrew Clennell – Political Editor

The Yes campaign is set to win in just 22 of 151 House of Representatives seats according to seat by seat modelling that shows big wins for Yes in the inner city Sydney seats held by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, but hardly anywhere else.

The polling – which has been distributed between No campaigners and senior Liberal party officials during the weekend – comes from a UK firm called Focal Data who has used a technique similar to that used by the Australian newspaper during the 2022 election campaign, which came very close to the seat by seat result at that election.

The modelling predicts victory for Yes will not occur in any Liberal seats although Yes will come close in two of them – the marginal seat of Sturt in South Australia held by James Stevens, where 51 per cent are set to vote no and Bradfield, the marginal seat held by Liberal frontbencher Paul Fletcher, where No leads 53-47.

The largescale nationwide poll went 61-39 the way of the No case and then demographic modelling is used in a technique called MrP recording data about the people who respond and using that to devise a mathematical model of how various groups of people are likely to vote.

The poll predicts absolute landslide No results in Queensland seats including Bob Katter’s seat of Kennedy (84.9 per cent no), David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa (81.5 per cent against).

Other large No votes above 70 per cent are found in Riverina, Indi, Moncrieff, Fisher, Grey, Hyume, Longman, Bowman, Cowper, Lyne, Calare, Durack, Herbert, Leichhardt, Fadden, Foreest, Groom, Gippsland, Nicholls, Canning, O’Connor , Capricornia, Hinkler, Flynn, Dawson Wright and Mallee has the third highest No vote at 77 per cent.

The seats that are voting Yes include every seat in the Australian Capital Territory and a number of Labor and Greens seats also voting Yes as well as the Independent seats of North Sydney and Clark in Tasmania.

The poll finds Tanya Plibersek’s seat of Sydney is voting Yes 70.4 per cent, Anthony Albanese’s Grayndler 64.5 per cent, Melbourne 64 per cent, Canberra 62 per cent and then the following seats between 40 and 50 per cent – Adelaide, Fenner, Brisbane, Macnamara, Reid, Higgins, North Sydney, Clark, Bean, Perth, Kingsford Smith, Griffth, Greenway, Wills, Cooper, Bennelong, Ryan and Chisholm.

Other Independent seats are projected to vote no by a small margin: Kooyong 50.2 per cent no and Wentworth 50.4 per cent.

Then there are a range of marginal seats in terms of voting No, polling 53 or under.

Julian Leeser’s seat of Berowra is 53 per cent No and also between 50 and 53 per cent are Sturt Goldstein, Maribyrnong, Barton, Chifley, Parramatta, Newcastle, Hotham, Moreton, Fraser, Boothby and Hindmarsh.

The poll shows the closer seats are to CBDs, whether it is in Sydney, Brisbane, Hobart, Melbourne or Perth, there are more people voting Yes.

And in Queensland and Western Australia and other rural parts a devastating No result is forecast.

The seat by seat polling comes after today’s Newspoll in the Australian hammered a nail into the Yes result.

It showed that support for the Voice had fallen another two points to just 34 per cent with No up two to 58 per cent and 8 per cent of voters say they didn’t know which way to go.

When people were forced to commit in that poll, the result was a 63-37 win for the No campaign.

The Newspoll also showed support for the Yes campaign among younger voters, which had previously been strong, had fallen.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 12:59 pm

“Mark Steyn writes:

How stupid do you have to be to watch that video of poor Miss Louk and then the jubilations across the “multicultural” west and not to make any connection?

That Gaza kid John Hinderaker mentions? The one spitting on poor Shana Louk’s naked body?

In ten years’ time, he’ll be living in Munich, or Marseilles, or Manchester, Manitoba, Michigan…

It’s the future you’ve made.”

or Melbourne

Just like Rowan Dean eviscerated it on Outsiders yesterday, Mark Steyn eviscerates it today.

What we saw in Israel on Saturday was the biggest wholesale slaughter of Jews since World War II.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2023 12:59 pm

Dr Faustus, is there any particular reason why every time you mention Brisbane you only do so by using the word Meanjin ?
It is clearly deliberate and you have been doing it for months.

A personal defence mechanism against public stupidity – nothing more significant than that. Sorry, I really didn’t expect my twaddle to be read or taken seriously.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 9, 2023 1:00 pm

Hidiya can go and stand in Gaza. How long would she last? What a vile person.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 1:04 pm

An Idiot’s Guide to Why Russia and Ukraine Are Fighting

As a punctilious “fact checker” at Newsweek points out, RFK Jr. is kinda-sorta almost wrong. The Minsk II agreement was first signed in 2015. But Zelenskyy and Putin met in 2019 to re-address the agreement, and both agreed to the conditions. Peace was at hand. So, yeah, it was first signed in 2015 and then again in 2019. Kennedy was right, after all.

The war was expected to end because both men signed on to the Minsk II accords. But peace didn’t come. Was it for the reasons RFK Jr. pointed out? I don’t know and can’t opine (KDJ Rule #1).

I DO know Joe Biden and his family have made mad stack from a Ukrainian company called Burisma, and some people say it was all very corrupt.

Brief History of Ukraine

It’s important to know that Eastern European nations’ borders have changed repeatedly over the past several hundred years. This has led to situations where a Ukrainian may find him or herself living in Poland, or a Pole winds up living in Lithuania. It’s also caused a great deal of havoc throughout history.

Maybe the West should have let Putin and Zelenskyy adhere to the Minsk II accords and allow peace.

But then how would the Washington, D.C., swamp-dwellers launder their money?

Then there is the military-industrial complex. They want their dough, too.

Tekweni
Tekweni
October 9, 2023 1:06 pm

I wonder if Israel will make a hit on Iran?

Tom
Tom
October 9, 2023 1:10 pm

The poll shows the closer seats are to CBDs, whether it is in Sydney, Brisbane, Hobart, Melbourne or Perth, there are more people voting Yes.

The new divide in Australian politics: the property millionaires of the inner city who vote for the Filth and the Rich Bitches and are unaffected by cost-of-living pressures versus the aspirational middle class in the suburbs and the bush for whom the cost of living is front and centre.

Jorge
Jorge
October 9, 2023 1:14 pm

I was once an acquaintance of a New Yorker, hardline Democrat, Jewish, and enthusiast for every progressive leftist cause going.

He was rocked by 9/11 but not in any way that made sense. We got into a disagreement about closing a mosque not far from the WTC. He thought it discriminatory, verging on racism, and seemed unable to process the idea that Muslims hated him just because of his ancestry. It didn’t compute.

Donald Trump on the other hand was the very essence of evil. He continues to think this. He reminds me of a mole: blind, buried in darkness, unable to change, confined in a world that vanished years ago, the sixties.

Somehow or other he removes Jewishness from his thinking about such events. It just doesn’t seem to figure, and if it gets a mention it’s bad taste or something.

It’s like: ‘How could anyone want to kill me ? I’m a good guy. I’m on the right side.’

He is so naive.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 1:18 pm

When you look at the celebrations on the streets of Lakemba and Greenacre, Mark Steyn, in his piece linked above, says it best……

We have imported monsters

Steyn is right, never forget four words.

As a child growing up, when I asked why the pogroms, persecutions, massacres and the Holocaust happened, I was told it was because Jewish blood didn’t matter.

It will matter in Gaza over the next few days.

areff
areff
October 9, 2023 1:19 pm

Donald Trump on the other hand was the very essence of evil. He continues to think this. He reminds me of a mole: blind, buried in darkness, unable to change, confined in a world that vanished years ago, the sixties.

Beautifully put, Jorge.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 1:24 pm

Any updates on Lebanon other than a few skirmishes here and there?

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 1:27 pm

And, in case anyone missed this from a few months ago:

China signs ‘strategic partnership’ with Palestinian Authority during Abbas visit

https://www.timesofisrael.com/china-signs-strategic-partnership-with-palestinian-authority-during-abbas-visit/

President Xi Jinping tells PA leader Beijing has ‘always firmly supported the just cause of the Palestinian people to restore their legitimate national rights’

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
October 9, 2023 1:27 pm

It is long overdue that a microscope be turned onto this grifter. Perhaps Jacinta N Price could apply a blowtorch.

Via a link on Quadrant Online.

https://harryrichardson.substack.com/p/noel-from-noosa-where-has-all-the?utm_source=%2Fbrowse%2Fpolitics&utm_medium=reader2

The last several paragraphs.

Pearson’s divisive pitch fell flat.

Most migrants come to Australia for a better life based on equality and fairness for all. The most recently arrived migrants in particular will reject a notion of special treatment for one race above their own, based on that race being here longer.

That’s the opposite of why they came here, many having escaped division based on class, race or heritage.

Noel’s wealth, sourced from the Australian taxpayer and the white Anglo system of government inherited from the British is coming under legitimate question.

With a Constitutional voice now front and center of the nation’s attention, many are now saying we need a Royal Commission into where the hundreds of billions of dollars have gone over the past decades with nothing to show for it.

We don’t need a voice, we need an audit – starting with Noel from Noosa.

dopey
dopey
October 9, 2023 1:28 pm

Plasmamortar. Welcome back Rae.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 9, 2023 1:32 pm

Just watched Sky replay of Outsiders.

Wow! Powerful statement by Rowan Dean

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 1:33 pm

Wow! Powerful statement by Rowan Dean”

Yep

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 1:34 pm

Daily Mail.

Respected leader of Israel’s secretive ‘Ghost’ commando unit is killed fighting Hamas as officials praise his ‘bravery’

Colonel Roy Levy, 44, was the commander of Unit 888, set up to tackle Hamas

bons
bons
October 9, 2023 1:37 pm

Carr, Downer, Bishop, Photios’s Horse, and now Wong.
It is a wonder that any country will talk to us.
You would think that Gaza and the impending Voice disaster would wipe the smug off Wong’s face. No chance, she is driven by ideology, reality has no meaning for her. And, besides that, she is a ………

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2023 1:42 pm

Steyn is a master of language:

Two decades ago, dead infidels in the west prompted celebrations in the Middle East. Now, dead infidels in the Middle East prompt celebrations in the west. One day, soon, many more dead infidels in the west will prompt mass celebrations across the west.

Pogria
Pogria
October 9, 2023 1:43 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 9, 2023 1:40 PM
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/10/the-most-feminist-of-religions-note-hamas-has-captured-mostly-young-women.html

I wonder where the Mr Whippy Ice Cream Van is these days? Last we heard she had gone to do missionary work in London.

Pogria
Pogria
October 9, 2023 1:46 pm
Pogria
Pogria
October 9, 2023 1:49 pm
Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 1:49 pm

https://www.ag.gov.au/national-security/australias-counter-terrorism-laws/terrorist-organisations

25-year sentence in Australia for providing “financial” or “material” or “other support” to terrorist organisations, including Hamas.

Ok, so how does this relate:

The Australian Government will provide an estimated $32.2 million to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in 2023-24. Australia’s development cooperation and humanitarian assistance is a practical demonstration of our genuine commitment to the Palestinian people.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 1:50 pm

“Occupied Palestinian Territories” FFS!

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 1:52 pm

Can any other Cats confirm or deny that I wasn’t dreaming when I thought I heard Israel give Gazans a “12 hour Leave Now notice?”

I just want to make sure I’m at home with popcorn.

Zippster
Zippster
October 9, 2023 1:55 pm

“The intelligence interpretation is that they were training for something that they would never dare to do,” Nahum says. “It was bad judgment and arrogance.” Hamas instead launched an incredibly complex and sophisticated invasion from land and sea.

bit like China going hell for leather building up its military…

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 1:58 pm

25-year sentence in Australia for providing “financial” or “material” or “other support” to terrorist organisations, including Hamas.

Ok, so how does this relate:

The Australian Government will provide an estimated $32.2 million to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in 2023-24. Australia’s development cooperation and humanitarian assistance is a practical demonstration of our genuine commitment to the Palestinian people.

Taxation is theft and worse.

Gabor
Gabor
October 9, 2023 2:04 pm

Lysander
Oct 9, 2023 1:52 PM

Can any other Cats confirm or deny that I wasn’t dreaming when I thought I heard Israel give Gazans a “12 hour Leave Now notice?”

I doubt it, but in case it’s true, who do you think would be the first ones to leave?

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 9, 2023 2:04 pm

Cassie much, much earlier:-

It confirms my thoughts that the people who’ll save this country from this iniquitous voice will be rural Australians, working class Australians, elderly Australians, and new Australians. It won’t be effluent Teal voting scum in electorates like Wentworth.

These sort of people have no idea how the rest of the country live.

My wife returned to our former town of residence in the Manning Valley on the Mid-North coast of NSW.

There is a local community newspaper that is published monthly by Di Morrisey the author. She is a well-meaning person, but the paper is full of leftist/teal talking points. Climate change, Voice etc, you name it, it’s there. The paper will appeal to a tiny minority of people in that area. Middle class tree changers and retirees.

Problem is, the area is awash with crime, unemployment and general hopelessness. Huge problems with illicit drugs, ice, weed and other more prosaic alcohol related problems. Families are messy, domestic and sexual abuse rife. No mention of any of that. Just Teal talking points.

These people have tin ears to real world problems. Deaf to how people live and suffer real problems, they invent their own dramas to feel good about themselves.

They are our cultural elites. They are wealthy, safe and cosseted. Oblivious to the great unwashed they purport to care about.

132andBush
132andBush
October 9, 2023 2:10 pm

Plasma

Cheering for the deaths of hundreds of people may be abhorrent, but it is not illegal.

It’s inciting violence and cheering on genocide.
Stop this bullshit dissembling of the facts.

These people have no place in Western Society.

Razey
Razey
October 9, 2023 2:15 pm

Scott Adams opines: “Israel is a preview of America in the sense that one group has been “educated” to think the other group has their stuff and needs to give it back.”

Same would apply here no?

cohenite
October 9, 2023 2:16 pm

I don’t often comment here, but recent events, and some piss poor commentary here compell me to make a statement or two.

I initially took that personally but since your comment was reasonable I forgive you.

Nuke iran is still the way to go. And the fuking pallis can go back to the Sinai.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 2:19 pm

Calli:

Our pals in Lakemba are getting antsy – a big pro-Palestine turnout on the streets with the usual Jew killing chants.
I expect our Jewish schools will be taking extra precautions this morning as children return for final term.
The very fact that they have to be under this type of pressure is a disgrace to Australia.

It’s a disgrace to our political class – especially Fraser – who was warned this shit would happen here but went ahead and imported these animals just to be a prick.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 2:20 pm

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides …

Sowing the seeds of “moral equivalency”,
then setting it up for “the results are equal, time for a ceasefire”

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 2:24 pm

calli:

Oct 9, 2023 8:33 AM
Cassie, for some of us it’s deeply personal. Easy to sit on the sidelines and opine when it isn’t your own flesh and blood under attack.

It’s personal for all of us, calli – “For Today Ich Bin Ein Israeli”
(Yes I’ve mangled the sentence structure, but it’s what I feel.)

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 2:24 pm

Why don’t other islamic countries take the Gazans in?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 2:25 pm

Okay, so both Lakemba and Greenacre, the suburbs that hosted the scenes of Nazi jubilation at the news and footage of Israeli Jews being raped, butchered, their corpses being dragged through the streets of Gaza, are located in a federal electorate called Watson, the local member being, yep, you guessed it, that shining and very sleazy intellect, Tony Burke aka Tony Burqa.

I want, actually I insist, that Liberal and National politicians hit the streets, stand before the MSM and demand that Tony Burke condemns the Jew hatred witnessed on the streets of his electorate. Burke has used the Nazi slur before to attack the right, so I think it is high time that such opprobrium was thrown back and it’s time for him to be made to condemn the real, living, Jew hating Nazis in his own electorate.

You see, there are Nazis around in 2023, but those Nazis aren’t those lily white, clean cut Nazis that travel in from the Grampians at the behest of the Victorian Labor government and Victorian police to embarrass some right of centre function, or a Let Women Speak rally where ordinary women such as myself try and speak up about the need to women’s spaces to remain….well….women only. No, those Grampian guys aren’t real Nazis. they’re “prop Nazis”, the real Nazis are those men and women who took to the streets last night in Lakemba and Greenacre, handing out sweets, ecstatic with jubilation at the footage of dead Jews.

From the Telegraph….

Australian onlookers were seen cheering and shouting as a series of speakers preached their praises for the Palestinian attacks, which began on Saturday.

“I’m smiling and I’m happy. I’m elated,” Sheikh Ibrahim Dadoun said to the crowd.

“It’s a day of courage, it’s a day of resistance, it’s a day of pride, it’s a day of victory.

“This is the day we’ve been waiting for.”

The statements were followed by loud cheers from the crowd.

I can bet your bottom dollar that Burke knows Dadoun.

Oh and further to useless local members, where’s Allegra? Where’s Zoe? Where’s Monique? Reckon I’d have more chance of spotting Wally.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 2:28 pm

Wow

https://theconversation.com/voice-support-falls-in-newspoll-to-new-low-but-is-up-in-resolve-though-still-well-behind-215156

A national Newspoll, conducted October 3–6 from a sample of 1,225, gave “no” to the Voice a 58–34 lead, out from 56–36 in the previous Newspoll, two weeks ago. With the 8% undecided excluded, “no” led by 63–37.

Also

A national Resolve poll for Nine newspapers was conducted over two weeks (September 22 to October 4) from a sample of 4,728. This sample is about three times Resolve’s normal sample of 1,600.

“No” to the Voice led in this poll by 56–44 after a forced choice question, in from a 57–43 “no” lead in early September. Initial preferences were 49% “no” (steady), 38% “yes” (up three) and 13% undecided (down three).

Tasmania was the only state where “yes” led, by 56–44. In New South Wales, “no” led by 52–48, in Victoria by 54–46, in SA by 55.5–44.5, in WA by 61–39 and in Queensland “no” led by 64–36.

The Voice has died. Somebody cut it down before it starts to swing in the breeze.

Zippster
Zippster
October 9, 2023 2:29 pm
Rosie
Rosie
October 9, 2023 2:30 pm
Barry
Barry
October 9, 2023 2:31 pm

The Voice is dead.

Long live Welcome to Country, Smoking Ceremonies, Mabo, Wik, 40Billion per year, Indigenous rounds at the footy, general Abo worship.

A minor victory, if a victory it ends up being.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 9, 2023 2:34 pm

Tony Burqa is our local member. Does anyone have ideas for drafting a letter about the disgrace in Lakemba and Greenacre?

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 2:34 pm

Indolent

Oct 9, 2023 8:37 AM
Jean Raspail’s ‘The Camp of the Saints’ novel warning of immigration influx has been realized 50 years later

Enoch Powell’s Rivers of blood is warning is coming true as well.
Our Political Class will never be able to say they were never warned – they were the ones who opened the doors to these animals.

Rosie
Rosie
October 9, 2023 2:34 pm

J post site is playing up sorry

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 2:38 pm

J post site is playing up sorry”

I think it is being cyber attacked.

P
P
October 9, 2023 2:39 pm

Today I am praying for Israel.

It was only the day before yesterday that we remembered the Battle of Lepanto.

Today the 4th and 5th mysteries of the Joyful Mysteries stood out.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 2:42 pm

Why don’t other islamic countries take the Gazans in?

After the Fedayeen set up shop in Jordan (coz Israel capture the west bank) Jordan got so sick of them they sooled the army onto them & booted ’em clean out of Jordan.

Rosie
Rosie
October 9, 2023 2:43 pm

One thing for sure, every death in Gaza will be ‘civilian’. The fact that most will be Hamas terrorists killed fighting Israelis will be lost on too many.
I saw some young male dead with faces exposed in a public display.
Yeah nah.

132andBush
132andBush
October 9, 2023 2:48 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Oct 9, 2023 2:20 PM

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides …

Sowing the seeds of “moral equivalency”,
then setting it up for “the results are equal, time for a ceasefire”

Exactly.
It’s blatant.

As I pointed out to my barber this morning, if the words “disproportionate response” start getting used it’s another way of saying “not enough dead J*ws”.

132andBush
132andBush
October 9, 2023 2:51 pm

I saw some young male dead with faces exposed in a public display.
Yeah nah.

Earlier today on a lefty Insta feed I saw a video supposedly showing civilian victims of an Israeli attack. Funny thing was they were all fighting age males.

Speedbox
October 9, 2023 2:59 pm

Lysander
Oct 9, 2023 1:52 PM
Can any other Cats confirm or deny that I wasn’t dreaming when I thought I heard Israel give Gazans a “12 hour Leave Now notice?”

That was circulating yesterday. Don’t know whether it was ‘real’ or somebody’s thought bubble but it was getting some traction on assorted forums.

So no, you weren’t dreaming.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 3:05 pm

ABC now saying one thousand dead on both sides …

ABC radio interviewed two people. A “Palestinian” in “Palestine” and a “Palestinian” who lives in Australia =

Israel/Bibi bad. Palestine good. No dissenting (or real world) voice was heard ffs!!!

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 3:09 pm

That interview was on ABC Radio Perth at 12pm today (AWST), ABC-24 was the same yesterday… all “Palestinian” apologists.

The Gazans could use agent orange on every single Israeli citizen and their ABC would still paint Israeli as the aggressor.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 3:12 pm

I find it interesting how many people here are condemning this attack killings hundreds (which is perfectly reasonable)

Then they are also quite happy to say ‘let’s go nuke the other guy’ which would result in hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent people being vaporised in the process of getting the perpetrators…

Then again, if they have declared war, there is no such thing as a ‘non-combatant’

The answer to murder is always to murder more of the other guy. (This is actually the correct answer by the way, once you let go of your morality)

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 3:13 pm

What’s your solution, Plas?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 9, 2023 3:15 pm

Plasmamortar
Oct 9, 2023 12:13 PM
Nooo, that would not in fact be accurate.

Hate speech laws in Australia (wiki)

But special people are special, so I suspect nothing will come of it.

True, it would be interesting if people are out celebrating a resounding ‘NO’ victory in the same way this Saturday night and see if there are no arrests made…

I’m not quite sure that celebrating victory in a democratic referendum is the same as celebrating the murders of hundreds. There should be no arrests on Saturday night.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 3:18 pm

Tony Burqa is our local member. Does anyone have ideas for drafting a letter about the disgrace in Lakemba and Greenacre?

Burqa can’t read.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 3:18 pm

Dr Faustus

Oct 9, 2023 11:10 AM

We had a discussion here several weeks ago about the risks of EV’s in residential buildings. One popular conclusion was that if there actually was any sort of a problem specific to battery fires, we’d see it in the insurance market.

I’m here to tell you that the insurance market is all over the issue like a fat boy on a bag of lollies.

Our insurance broker tells us to expect significantly adjusted terms on renewal next year

This is excellent news.
At least insurance companies have identified and isolated the risk, and assigned the premiums to the holder of the risky asset.
I was afraid the righteous EV owners, assisted by government, would monster insurance companies into spreading the risk.
Could still happen, but initial signs are good.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 9, 2023 3:19 pm

Lysander
Oct 9, 2023 2:24 PM
Why don’t other islamic countries take the Gazans in?

Look at them. Would any sane person want to take them in?

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 9, 2023 3:20 pm

What’s your solution, Plas?

There is no solution, as these conflicts are based on groups with incompatible ideologies and goals.

It’s just interesting to see how people who presuppose themselves to be the “good guys” call to exterminate millions and justify it because hundreds have died.

Not saying that I agree or disagree, it’s just interesting.

slackster
slackster
October 9, 2023 3:21 pm

Seems like The USA shipped a lot of its weapons stockpile in Israel to Ukraine earlier this year.
I wonder if this contributed to the timing of the attack

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/politics/ukraine-israel-weapons.html

cohenite
October 9, 2023 3:23 pm
Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 3:24 pm

Nukes are a dumb idea but people need to vent, they get a pass.

bons
bons
October 9, 2023 3:24 pm

Yes, J Post has published announcements saying that they are experiencing sustained cyber attack.
The breadth of animals’ planning is extraordinary.
Comments suggest that the source of the attacks may not be local.
They are publishing most of their material through Twitter. What a difference Elon has made.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 3:25 pm

Real Deal:

Dear Sir,
The terrorist attacks in Israel have claimed the lives of at least 700 innocent civilians, seriously injured many more and taken hostage over 100 unarmed, vulnerable and harmless Jewish people, including women and children. This is abhorrent to anyone who values human life.

Yet here in Australia we have witnessed in our own suburbs groups who are wholeheartedly supportive of these attacks. This also abhorrent. All right minded people know that there is no place in Australia for these attitudes, actions and behaviours.

I ask the Government to vocally and stridently condemn those Australians- and others presently here in this country – who would rejoice in this barbarity and reconfirm Australia as Israel’s firm friend and ally.

I await your response.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 3:26 pm

Look at them. Would any sane person want to take them in?

By islamic standards they’re normal.

There is no solution, as these conflicts are based on groups with incompatible ideologies and goals.

Well, one ideology is democratic freedom and the other ideology is a monstrous cult.

The problem is the left have included islam as one of its victims to be used to bash the West.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 9, 2023 3:28 pm

Sea lions are pinnipeds characterized by external ear flaps, long foreflippers, the ability to walk on all fours, short and thick hair, and a big chest and belly.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 3:29 pm

The Western banking sector is dying and cannot compete:

**

From 7 November 2023, we may limit the amount you can pay to certain accounts or merchants, for example those we believe to be associated with cryptocurrency exchanges, to no more than $10,000 in total from all of your accounts each calendar month.

To find out more about this change, we’ve included the new clause 1.16 and the updated clause 4.14 of the Account Access Conditions of Use below or you can visit our website at bankwest.com.au/security-centre/cryptocurrency-payments.

**

I am glad I am in a “security” lock with these idiots since I refused to do KYC after paying off a credit card. That took a lot of class, you pinheads.

What are acceptable terms to me, would be to entirely shed myself of non-open source software, hardware and the legacy media and banking industries.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 9, 2023 3:30 pm

BBS – sounds like an invitation to the recipient to intentionally misunderstand and take the opportunity to condemn Israel’s response.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 9, 2023 3:30 pm

Israel has the means to carry out the destruction of Hamas and should do that.
But the question is do they have the ticker? It should be remembered that Israel is a nuclear power and can wipe Iran off the face of the planet. Poke a bee’s nest and you should suffer the consequences.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 3:34 pm

Sky News reporting that only 22 HoR seats to vote yes. Even the seat of Newcastle is showing up in the No camp.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 3:34 pm

This has just become available with a B category licence.

Taipan X.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 3:35 pm

Tom

The rubber will hit the road in the party room of the Faceless Men when Uncle Luigi’s lack of popularity starts eating the Liars primary vote in the month after the apartheid referendum.

Yep, that will be the end of the teenage Trot experiment. In 24 months time the Liars will be looking for another KRuddy like messiah (possibly from Opposition).

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 3:35 pm

Nahoul the Bee had a lot to say about stirring nests, abusing cats, animal cruelty, inculcating children as murderers and horrific levels of cringe.

https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Nahoul_the_Bee_(Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 3:36 pm

Tony Burqa is our local member. Does anyone have ideas for drafting a letter about the disgrace in Lakemba and Greenacre?

Tony Burqa was Minister for Agriculture, when I “had the farm.” Completely disinterested in that portfolio, no attempt to “Get across the portfolio, no attempt to confront or deal with the issues confronting agriculture, and giving every impression that the whole business was beneath a man of his towering intellect.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 3:36 pm

JB, expand on that please.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 3:36 pm

Is the Taipan available as a PCC?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 3:36 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek
@EvaVlaar

This was Rotterdam today.

Muslim communities all over Europe are coming out in support of Hamas’ efforts to wage their bloody jihad against Israel and its citizens.

Everyone with a sense of reality can see it coming from miles away:

the Muslim fighting-aged males throughout Europe will become more emboldened and militant as international jihadist factions vocalize their support for Hamas and their Holy War.

Europe is in deep trouble.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 9, 2023 3:38 pm

It confirms my thoughts that the people who’ll save this country from this iniquitous voice will be rural Australians, working class Australians, elderly Australians, and new Australians. It won’t be effluent Teal voting scum in electorates like Wentworth.

Well I can confirm my friends who became Australian citizens a mere two months ago have sent me a text saying: We took our black pens and a big NO in our pocket and an accompanying photo with two people handing out for the NO campaign. I thanked them for this most important act by our newest Australian Citizens. They are from a former soviet country and both lost their jobs when they refused to be vaccinated on the say-so of the likes of the imbecile Health Hazzard.They’d lived experience of govenment telling them what to do, say and think and are having a bar of it.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 3:39 pm

cohenite
Oct 9, 2023 3:23 PM

Have you seen this:

Hamas terrorists encouraging Palestinian children to torment a little Jewish boy they have taken hostage.

Nuke iran and send the pallis packing.

It’s hard to watch without pulling back a tear. That poor sweet looking little boy. Out of 17 million Jews in the world, I doubt there would be one that would put a little kid through that.

P
P
October 9, 2023 3:40 pm

I ask the Government to vocally and stridently condemn those Australians- and others presently here in this country – who would rejoice in this barbarity and reconfirm Australia as Israel’s firm friend and ally.

Back in 1980 I, with my family, attended a meeting of Catholic Historical Society in Sydney and the speaker was a catholic priest who had just returned from Lebanon, I think his name was Fr Wilkins or something like that. What he described to us was never forgotten. To this day my children (who were young then) remember the atrocities he described. Barbaric.
About that time our present PM was organising to bring them out to Aus.
Unbelievable but true.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 3:42 pm

Another symptom of inflation it makes keeping track of prices and price signals practically impossible. I don’t buy much by my (admittedly upmarket) potato chips have gone from a new product $3.50 a bag to a standard $4.00 and today 2 for $11.00. Somewhere along the line somebody is getting gouged. Back to povo chips for me.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 3:42 pm

I won’t say I told you so as many Cats agreed when I posted this some nine months ago but…

The suburbs with the least indigenous “engagement” will be the ones who vote Yes.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 3:44 pm

Daily Mail “Third World sh1thole are words that spring to mind.”

Fregon in remote South Australia still has no police station seven years after local nurse Gayle Woodford was raped and murdered

Fregon is 1,460km from Adelaide and 500km from Alice Springs
Nurse Gayle Woodford, 56, was murdered at Fregon in 2016

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 9, 2023 3:47 pm

Let us not forget Farfour (piss be upon him), who paid the price by being beaten to death by a Palestinian posing as an Israeli to create propaganda.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 9, 2023 3:48 pm

Sure BBS.

While any reasonable person can clearly see that you mean attacks made against Israel, there’s still too much room for someone to act in bad faith and use it to, at the very best, make a “pox on both sides” type of comment.

To make it bullet proof, you need to specifically ask that the comment be to condemn the Hamas attacks.

Of course, since our correspondent is likely to respond in bad faith, that would create a new problem whereby they claim that the letter promotes the Israeli reaction, and proceed to go on about hypocrisy.

TLDR: No point corresponding with dishonest a**-h***s who have no principles.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2023 3:49 pm

I was afraid the righteous EV owners, assisted by government, would monster insurance companies into spreading the risk.

I’m afraid that this will be the eventual outcome once this risk climbs out of the box. Possibly via a government reinsurance scheme – recouped via levies etc.

Any contradiction between government policy and reality tends to be quickly covered over by lashings of OPM.

Tom
Tom
October 9, 2023 3:50 pm

The Australian Government will provide an estimated $32.2 million to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in 2023-24. Australia’s development cooperation and humanitarian assistance is a practical demonstration of our genuine commitment to the Palestinian people.

Bullshit.

The new Australian Labor government is financing Hamas’s mass murder of Jews in Israel.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 3:52 pm

A look at who’s attacking Israel

Why are there people in the Gaza Strip? Here is some context for the question. Canada is 16% larger than the U.S. but has only 11% of our population. Australia is almost the size of the U.S. but has only two thirds the population of Canada.

Why don’t people flood all that empty space? They can’t make a living there. Canada is too frozen and Australia is too dry to support large populations.

How do the estimated two million residents of Gaza support themselves? They don’t. They subsist on welfare from rich Arab states and Iran. As with most pure welfare recipients, they have little incentive to improve their lot. Their per capita income is $5,600. They could join much of the Middle East and migrate to Europe or Turkey. They could travel to Jordan (income $9,200) or neighboring Egypt (income $11,600).

On the other hand, getting chump change to do little or nothing is a good gig for people acclimated to welfare.

They’re also fed the propaganda that their poverty serves the greater purpose of inconveniencing Israel and killing Israelis.

For those who think I’m being too harsh on Gazans, here are two interesting points that encompass manufacturing and agriculture.

Since the beginning of this century, there is only one new manufacturing enterprise in Gaza. The people of Gaza now make most of the rockets they fire at Israel.

Agriculture is even more interesting.

The Israeli army was in northern Gaza, protecting some large and prosperous citrus farms. In 2005, Israel decided to pull the army and evacuate all of Gaza.

The families that owned these farms protested to no avail.

On the other hand, Israelis and Jews from around the world contributed the money needed to leave 300 fully equipped greenhouses.

Optimists predicted that the greenhouses would produce for two years. Pessimists suggested two months. The greenhouses lasted roughly two hours. Everything of value was stripped. Selling copper tubing and water pumps had an immediate return. Actually growing oranges would require sustained work. That’s not something Gazans do.

I fully expect apologists to argue that Gazans work hard.

My questions are at what, and to what end?

An income of $5,600 that includes generous subsidies is a waste of economic resources.

Gazans should go elsewhere and contribute to the world economy. Their role as bloody nuisance doesn’t get the respect it once did.

With the current attacks, they earn contempt.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 3:54 pm

AJA STATEMENT
NSW Greens are backing terror and murder

“As Israeli women, men, children and elderly are being hunted down, raped, beheaded and butchered in the street, the NSW Greens are joining others tonight at a ‘rally for Palestine’ calling for ‘no war’ on terrorist-run Gaza.

This is akin to a rally during World War 2 in support of Nazi Germany.

The NSW Greens and anyone who attends this disgrace are dancing on the blood of the Jewish victims. The NSW Greens are reprehensible and have disgraced themselves in such a way that they should never play a role in any Parliament. We call on all decent people to condemn them. ”

Robert Gregory, CEO , Australian Jewish Association

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 3:54 pm

Feelthebern:
There was a study made of the inhabitants of Christmas ? Island in the late ’90’s using the new DNA testing techniques, so I understand, and when the results came in, there was an incredible stink over the newly discovered parent/child linkages.
The study has long disappeared because…
The chance of another dna based study that will illuminate the relationship/parentage tree is zilch.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 9, 2023 3:55 pm

The more one reads about Noel from Noosa & his business dealings, the more this question needs to be asked.

And, more importantly, ANSWERED.

Razey
Razey
October 9, 2023 3:56 pm

I doubt there would be one that would put a little kid through that.

It comes from the parents.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2023 3:58 pm

I can bet your bottom dollar that Burke knows Dadoun.

Albanese, Minns, Husik, Annd Aly and Burke have all associated with the bloke.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hilal-yassine-12a62310_jihaddib-activity-7049594608200151040-GDZ1/

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 3:59 pm

The Liars regard the Agriculture portfolio like most people look at after stepping in it at the dog park. Hence Labor’s Idiot Son and live cattle (bill pending).

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2023 3:59 pm

.. but of course the ANIC fully supports Gaza’s atrocities.
https://www.anic.org.au/

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 9, 2023 4:00 pm

Well done!

steveinman:

Classic: Courtroom Justice

cohenite
October 9, 2023 4:01 pm

Is the Taipan available as a PCC?

This is NSW not Texas dottie.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2023 4:03 pm

The NSW Greens are reprehensible and have disgraced themselves in such a way that they should never play a role in any Parliament. We call on all decent people to condemn them.

Complete.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 4:03 pm

Bullshit.

The new Australian Labor government is financing Hamas’s mass murder of Jews in Israel.

Indeed Tom, I’d like an audit of where this $32M in 23/24 went to so-called “occupied palestinian authorities”

…smells like BS.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 9, 2023 4:04 pm

Israel’s Opportunity to Destroy Hamas

The security establishment has feared engagement in Gaza more than the terror group’s rule. Saturday’s attack may change that.

By Daniel Pipes

Hamas’s surprise attack is a humanitarian horror. It is also a strategic opportunity for Israel, the U.S. and democracies everywhere.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which author Cynthia Farahat describes as “the world’s incubator of modern Islamic terrorism.” From Hamas’s origins in 1987, it has engaged in violence against Israelis, Palestinians and whoever else might cross its path. A sequence of Israeli missteps led in 2007 to its taking power in the Gaza Strip, an area the size of Omaha, Neb., with a population of two million. It imposed a totalitarian rule on Gaza similar to that of the mullahs in Iran, attempting to implement medieval strictures, oppressing its own population, and threatening to destroy Israel.

There are many indications that Gazans hate Hamas. “There is boiling anger in the streets against the Hamas movement,” Tholfekar Swairjo, a Gazan political analyst, told NPR in 2022. “They are blamed for the very low quality of life in Gaza.” A 32-year-old woman said that “most Gazans have stopped believing in Hamas and the others. You know why? Because they don’t feed us, they don’t provide anything. You have to depend on yourself. How can we build a future with these guys?”

Polling finds overwhelming support among Palestinians, especially in Gaza, for the statement that “Palestinians should push harder to replace their own political leaders with more effective and less corrupt ones.” Gazans also reject Hamas by emigrating in droves. An estimated 250,000 to 350,000 young adults have left the strip since Hamas took over in 2007.

In short, most Gazans loathe Hamas, but they dare not rise up against their power-hungry oppressors, who enjoy support from Iran. What about Israel? It has the motive and the means to end Hamas rule, but its security establishment has preferred that Hamas, for all its horrors and threats, stay in power rather than have the Israel Defense Forces move back into Gaza (from which they withdrew in 2005) and run the territory again. For one sign of Israel’s acquiescence to Hamas rule, note that it permits and even encourages the government of Qatar to send Hamas $30 million a month.

As a result, nothing changes. Perhaps the moment has come for American leadership. In 2003, President George W. Bush said that “the free world, those who love freedom and peace, must deal harshly with Hamas” and that “Hamas must be dismantled.” President Barack Obama said in 2014: “I have no sympathy for Hamas. I have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within Gaza.”

Joe Biden should join their ranks. In a statement Saturday, he said he “unequivocally condemns this appalling assault”—a good start. The next step is to urge Israel to remove Hamas. Perhaps this, along with the size and barbarism of the latest assault, will change the Israeli security establishment’s reluctant acceptance of Hamas and persuade it to rid the world of this scourge.

Once Gaza has been secured, Israel would find a great number of its inhabitants ready to start over and build productive lives rather than focus endlessly and hopelessly on the destruction of Israel. Gaza could aspire to become the “Singapore of the Middle East” of which optimists dreamed decades ago. None of this can happen as long as Iran’s medieval-minded agents run the enclave.

The Hamas charter of 1988 calls for Islam to “obliterate” Israel.

After this vicious assault, the time has come for Israel to obliterate Hamas.

Mr. Pipes is president of the Middle East Forum.

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
October 9, 2023 4:05 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer
Oct 9, 2023 3:34 PM
Sky News reporting that only 22 HoR seats to vote yes. Even the seat of Newcastle is showing up in the No camp.

That’s 22 out of 151 Federal electorates voting ‘yes’.

Could someone please tell Albo that the parrot is dead.

Vicki
Vicki
October 9, 2023 4:07 pm

What a day it has been. We have all felt the weight of grief over our lifetimes – mostly grief related to dear ones. But today, as has happened before, we feel it for humanity – or at least a part of our fellows – the Israelis and others – who have suffered astonishing cruelty at the hands of barbaric extremists. An unannounced attack against Israelis and other nationalities who were celebrating music.

And there is something that we need to be reminded of, when viewing the celebration in the streets of Lakemba. In the aftermath of 911, some residents of this same neighbourhood were seen to be handing out “lollies” in celebration of those attacks. It went relatively unmarked. I somehow doubt that the televised scene of the gathering in Lakemba will be forgotten.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 9, 2023 4:10 pm

Eat your heart out cohenite, my mate in NZ has a licence for machine guns and field artillery. A few years ago he had C/73 Kanone out the front of his place he was restoring.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 4:10 pm

Boambee John:

If pure white people want to call themselves aboriginals for vanity reasons, they can fill their boots. But if they want to suck on the taxpayer teat in any way whatsoever on that basis, there must be a test. What level do you think is acceptable to be on the gravy train? A sixteenth? A 256th? What?
I think that 1/8 is generous, 1/4 would be quite reasonable.

No.
51% or more.
This race bullshit has to stop. Either you’re Aboriginal or not. None of this hyphenated whatever/Australian any more.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 9, 2023 4:10 pm

Have any other of the Arab states weighed in on the Hamas atrocity?

My understanding of the Abraham accords, what made them unique, was that they relied on the benefits of cooperation rather than an ongoing active guarantee from America (giving money, arbitrating every silly thing, military presence) etc, instead being bound by parties’ mutual advantage.

So, for example, is this eruption of bloodlust by the Palis actually a nuisance for the Saudis?

Previously, while they did not particularly like the Palestinians they had a greater (reflexive) grudge against the Israelis.

But might they now see the Israelis as more desirable allies than the noisome flotsam in Palestine?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 9, 2023 4:13 pm

Not Uh Oh, it’s not dead, it’s pining for the fjords.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 4:14 pm

Vicki
I share your thoughts but I fear the scenes we’ve seen at Lakemba and around the world, a sign of animal bastardy, will only encourage more Allens Snackbar attacks.

TheirABC, Greens, (much of) Labor are all eagerly awaiting the hanging of (our beloved) Jews from the docks, Christians next (which explains why the Left, who hate religion, support Islam as it is not a religion but a political dogma)…

And, if ASIO is listening…. DO YOUR F-CKING JOB AND GET DOWN TO ULTIMO AND LAKEMBA AND MAKE ARRESTS!

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 4:14 pm

JB #

Dear Sir,
The Hamas terrorist attacks in Israel have claimed the lives of at least 700 innocent civilians, seriously injured many more and taken hostage over 100 unarmed, vulnerable and harmless Jewish people, including women and children. This is abhorrent to anyone who values human life.

Yet here in Australia we have witnessed in our own suburbs groups who are wholeheartedly supportive of Hamas and the attacks. This also is abhorrent. All right minded people know that there is no place in Australia for these attitudes, actions and behaviours. Australia has listed Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

I ask the Government to vocally and stridently condemn those Australians- and others presently here in this country – who support Hamas and would rejoice in this barbarity. I ask the Government to strongly reconfirm Australia as Israel’s firm friend and ally.

I await your response.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 4:17 pm

Have any other of the Arab states weighed in on the Hamas atrocity?

Jacinta Allen did tweet her “thoughts” for the Israelis.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 4:21 pm

Indolent

Oct 9, 2023 9:03 AM
Malaysia stands in solidarity with the people of Palestine, says Anwar

About time we reconsidered that Defence Treaty with the bastards then.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 9, 2023 4:22 pm

BBS at 3.25pm

Wonderful stuff, thanks. I will send something along those lines.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 9, 2023 4:24 pm

Plasmamortar
Oct 9, 2023 3:20 PM
What’s your solution, Plas?

There is no solution, as these conflicts are based on groups with incompatible ideologies and goals.

It’s just interesting to see how people who presuppose themselves to be the “good guys” call to exterminate millions and justify it because hundreds have died.

Not saying that I agree or disagree, it’s just interesting.

Low energy trolling.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 9, 2023 4:25 pm

Victor Harbor Cross of Sacrifice war memorial vandalised with ‘No’ ahead of Voice referendum

Gosh darn it, why would a No activist vandalise a war memorial? Are they trying to discredit their own movement and help the Yes campaign? In normal circumstances I’d consider this a crude and blatantly obvious dirty trick by the opposite side, but I can’t imagine someone from the Yes camp being willing to stoop to defacing a war memorial in order to demonise their opponents. They’re running such a noble campaign and are obviously the Good and Honest People in this debate. It’s the No side that are constantly lying and are uninformed and stupid and probably have no insight into the significance of a war memorial. Also, the main No demographics are clearly not the types who value symbols like war memorials; they’d view them as just another surface to scribble their brainwashed opinions on. (Did I mention I get all of my information from ABC news?)

Whatever next? ‘No’ graffiti scribbled on the walls of paediatric cancer wards and premature baby incubators? Maybe spray painted onto cute abandoned puppies and kittens? How about ruining some terminally ill kid’s Make A Wish event by crashing it with No campaigners?

You know those suspiciously buff and highly regimented Victorian ‘neo-Nazis’ who have a very peculiar habit of appearing only when their presence is egregiously and maximally counterproductive to whatever cause they showing up to support? Maybe they are available to assist the No campaign in some way. (Hang on. I think ASIO has already deployed that asset *ahem* I think they’ve already been helpfully campaigning for the No vote, as everyone knows neo-Nazis are particularly opposed to constitutional change and keeping trans women out of women’s sports and spaces and stuff.)

Seriously, though. If you’re a Yes person and you’re not smart enough to see this for what it is, it just confirms what you already believe about No voters. If you’re a No voter, your reaction is likely going to be ‘um yeah nah that wasn’t us. Obviously‘. And if you’re on the fence, I highly doubt it moves the needle one way or the other.

In short: nice try, Yes people. But No.

And stay classy.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 4:26 pm

Plenty of sobbing going on over at my “favourite” leftist blog:

https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/10/09/indigenous-voice-resolve-strategic-newspoll-focaldata/#comments

#Winning 😛

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 9, 2023 4:26 pm

The Australian Government will provide an estimated $32.2 million to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in 2023-24.

Look, let’s be fair here. This is tru humanitarian support.

The Palestinian Authority has sought Australian aid for a great new water reticulation system. They have requested copper piping, which they want delivered in 2m lengths. They also need explosives to get rid of…err…tree roots. Oh yeah, the land under Gaza is thick with them. Anyone will tell you that if you try to dig a space under your house for hiding a stash AK-47’s and martyr-pyjamas will have to cut through a mess of them.

Then y to here is the new fledgling industry of making pots and pans, but rather than sending steel in bars they would prefer you sent them as military knives. Oh, the non-steel handles? Ummmm…ugh…Hats! They make hats! Peace hats! It’s all very unmilitary.

Megan
Megan
October 9, 2023 4:29 pm

About that time our present PM was organising to bring them out to Aus.
Unbelievable but true.

Yes, and the SP’s boss at the time was a Coptic Christian from Egypt, and on sighting the pictures of the first of them arriving in Australia said: they will destroy your culture and your country with it.

This weekend we saw exactly what that meant with their joyous support for vile barbarity in the streets of our cities.

Lysander
Lysander
October 9, 2023 4:34 pm

Lol ML!!

The Gazans need large water reticulation pipes, with inspectable manholes, that run from Israel’s southern border with the Nile to Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and its surrounds! 😛

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 4:41 pm

OldOzzie

Oct 9, 2023 12:51 PM

New large-scale nationwide poll predicts less than 15 per cent of electorates will vote Yes in massive blow to the Voice

The Yes campaign has been dealt another devastating blow with only 22 federal electorates out of 151 set to vote for the Voice to Parliament according to leaked polls.

It goes on to say that not one Liberal seat will vote Yes, and obviously a big chunk of Liars seats will be voting No.
Assuming all four Greens seats vote Yes, of the combined 89 seats held by Liars and “Independents” (Teals), only 18 are set to vote Yes. Eighty (80) pussent of Liars/Teal seats to vote No.
Now, the Photios/Textor/Keen liberals have always claimed to be political pragmatists, chasing the middle ground.
Surely an issue which is overwhelmingly supported by your base, and has the potential to flip 20-30 of your opponents seats should be the central plank of your next Federal campaign, eh, lads?
OK, you can’t re-run the Voice referendum as a Federal general election issue.
But you can run a campaign around “Where did the money go, Noel?” which is no doubt one of the factors at play here.
Perhaps a couple of well timed IBAC referrals wouldn’t go astray.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 4:43 pm

Costello leaving the future fund. To leave in February.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 9, 2023 4:44 pm

The solution is go in and wipe out Hamas with extreme prejudice. Build a bigger and more impenetrable wall. Then leave with a promise to be back to wipe out whatever comes after Hamas if they try this shit again. Do the same with the West Bank. And then cut ’em both loose to enjoy each other’s company. Here’s your two state solution. Have at it. Sorry to those Palestinians who commuted to and from Israel for work – that’s not happening anymore.

As for the Israeli settlements, well, some tough choices are going to have to be made. Keep and fortify the defensible ones and abandon the more vulnerable, less indefensible ones seems like the rational decision. The wisdom of establishing these settlements within enemy territory always seemed questionable to me.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 9, 2023 4:44 pm

That CAT gave her a beating.

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