Open Thread – Mon 20 Jan 2025


An Interior in Venice, John Singer Sargent, 1899

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
January 21, 2025 9:55 am
Reply to  Indolent

From the comments:

No pardon? No problem. Turn state’s evidence and MAYBE you might be offered some clemency. The better testimony you provide, the better deal you might receive……………… I wouldn’t wait too long to volunteer though…

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 7:30 am

And in the cold, gloomy and wintry land known as England, where alas there is no Prince Arthur sleeping who can awaken from his slumber and come to the rescue of this once great nation, the Welsh choir boy who went on a murder spree in Southport, stabbing to death three little girls, injuring several other children and a teacher was, prior to his murder spree, known to the authorities all along. Prior to his murder spree of little girls attending a Taylor Swift party, Welsh choir boy, Axel Rudakubana, was referred to anti-terrorist government organisation Prevent three times for being a serious threat with known terrorist motivations.

Perhaps ‘Prevent” should now be named ‘Enable’ because that’s what it does, it doesn’t prevent Islamic terrorism, it enables Islamic terrorism.

Vale England.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2025 8:00 am

The bastards knew who and what he was from the get go. Then lied and lied about him. Hope he gets a shiv in prison.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2025 7:31 am

Another firebombing.

Hate speech graffitied on Maroubra childcare wall and building set alight in another antisemitic attack in Sydney’s east (Sky News, 21 Jan)

A childcare has been firebombed in another antisemitic attack in Sydney’s east, despite police throwing extra resources at fighting crime against the Jewish community.

Emergency services were called to Storey Street in Maroubra to reports of a building fire about 1am on Tuesday, with firefighters extinguishing the blaze quickly.

However, the childcare sustained significant damage.

Police discovered antisemitic messages spray painted on a wall outside.

NSW plod don’t seem to be having much luck finding these people, even after that hooded chappie was spotted with a heroic beard.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2025 7:40 am

You can have all the gadgets you want to do a job if the will is not there it will not happen. Minns knows he doesn’t have to face the people for another three years so he can sit back and give the state two middle fingers.

Rohan
Rohan
January 21, 2025 7:57 am
Reply to  Crossie

It’s a dangerous ploy. To date no one has been badly injured or killed. Once that happens Minns public support will take a battering and once the media get on board, will be hounded out of office.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
January 21, 2025 9:58 am
Reply to  Rohan

Mims hounded by the media?
Don’t be too quick to assume that scenario – the media is more likely to castigate the dead and try to remove all blame from Minn. “The victim shouldn’t have been in that situation.”

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 21, 2025 7:44 am

The childcare centre attack is more likely to be a tobacco shop turf war target. Throw in a bit of graffiti and have the geniuses in plodland looking the wrong direction.
The dodgy middle eastern childcare system don’t like the faithful having other options.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 21, 2025 7:39 am

In other news, Black Belt Barrister looks at the Southport trial.

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lotocoti
lotocoti
January 21, 2025 7:44 am
calli
calli
January 21, 2025 7:47 am

Sky interviewing US Studies Centre CEO, Michael Green.

Oh boy. TDS on full display. Apparently “Trump doesn’t have as a big a mandate as people think”. Okay. All three tiers of government plus a reasonably conservative Supreme Court.

But Mandate!

I hope all those tears are being channeled towards LA’s empty hydrants. Sadly a fortnight too late.

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Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 7:52 am

US Studies Centre CEO, Michael Green

I think it was Mark Latham, back in 2016, who accurately renamed this centre the…..‘USeless Studies Centre’

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 7:54 am

Right, so they’re now firebombing day care centres.

How’s that soshul coheshun going?

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 7:56 am

Nice to see that designers flocked to dress Melania and the Trump girls, unlike in January 2017 when they were given collective freeze.

Melania looked sensational.

vr
vr
January 21, 2025 8:04 am

I bet she didn’t wear American designers who gave her the cold shoulder. I think it was D&G that outfitted her the first time.

This time Vance’s wife wore Oscar de la Renta yesterday.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2025 8:04 am

God bless the United States of America.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2025 8:11 am
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
January 21, 2025 10:10 am

The second bottom photo of the First Lady as she ponders the punishment of the FBI operatives who amused themselves going through her lingerie collection.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2025 8:13 am

calli

 January 21, 2025 7:47 am

Sky interviewing US Studies Centre CEO, Michael Green.

Oh boy. TDS on full display. Apparently “Trump doesn’t have as a big a mandate as people think”.

Translation – “The Swamp does not approve”.

Okay. All three tiers of government plus a reasonably conservative Supreme Court.

Don’t forget the Poplar Vote.
Which was just so critical in 2016.
To the point that Dimocrat States started a push to make that the primary determination of how electoral college votes should be cast.
That push has gone strangely quiet.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2025 8:23 am
Reply to  Sancho Panzer

So are we pruning the poplars?

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 8:26 am

Melania Trump hails from Eastern Europe. She’s a Slavic Goddess. She’s smart and she knows her history. Remember this, she had her wardrobe and underwear drawer rifled over by FBI agents in 2022. She will not forgive that travesty anytime soon. I know I wouldn’t.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 8:41 am

Jack Smith & co did not receive a pardon.
Neither did any of the Vindman cartel.
That we know of.

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2025 9:10 am
Reply to  feelthebern

Rachel Vindman has bee whining about that error! hah.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
January 21, 2025 10:12 am
Reply to  Pogria

She is.
She’s having a big sook up about ‘betrayal’.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 8:39 am

I’m seeing conflicting reports of Adam Schiff getting a pardon.
Did he get one?
If he did, was it a preemptive & blanket pardon?
If so, how TF can he continue to serve in the Senate?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2025 8:42 am
Reply to  feelthebern

Leave him alone!
Having a balloon head balanced on a pencil neck is not a crime.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 8:43 am
Reply to  Sancho Panzer

many..many lols

Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
January 21, 2025 9:44 am
Reply to  Sancho Panzer

I am certain Fanni and Bragg could make it one if schitt was of the wrong political persuasion

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2025 8:47 am

Explain to me how preemptive unspecified crime pardons work.

If a loon murders someone after receiving a prez pardon is he automatically pardoned?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
January 21, 2025 8:51 am
Reply to  alwaysright

i think the pardon only covers while Biden is President, ie anything they do from midday on is not exempt.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 9:00 am
Reply to  hzhousewife

most of today’s pardons are backdated to the 1st of January 2014.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 21, 2025 8:49 am

3AW/6PR’s Karalee Katsambanis (who seems to have a good head on her shoulders) is in the US and went to the inauguration. Her one-the-ground account is here (audio 8:17):

https://omny.fm/shows/4bc-drive/completely-devoted-donald-trump-holds-maga-rally-a

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2025 9:22 am
Reply to  Indolent

The downfall was when Clement Attlee was elected PM in 1945. Everything Labour or Labor touches they f**k. Why upon why do people keep voting for failure. This morning watching the inauguration left me feeling hollow. If The Donald gets half the the things done that he wants we have a chance but the scum are so far embedded it will take years to remove their influence. In mean time we have the aussie biden in Luigi the Unflushable, so useless and as someone called him, snivel. My wife saw him last night on sky and said, “look at him snivel”, and she doesn’t follow politics, but is now paying a little more attention.

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bons
bons
January 21, 2025 10:10 am
Reply to  GreyRanga

The correlation between the election of the Attlee communists and Starmer’s stalinists is striking.

Both fell into office as a result of the people being fed up with the incumbents.

Both falsly believed that they had a mandate and immediately commenced to impose ideologicaly alien policies that failed but some of which, notably the NHS, continue to create chaos.

Bill Slim claimed that the reason why service personnel almost universily voted against Churchill was because of the outrageous manner in which they were treated by Churchill’s elites. The same could be said for the Tories and the lower middle classes.

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2025 9:00 am
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feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 9:05 am

This Jan 6th committee blanket pardon is fascinating.
It might keep the legal experts busy.
Ie, how many people can claim to be covered.
It’s for “members & staff” of the committee.

Members:
The panel’s members included Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who was then a House member; former Reps. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., Elaine Luria, D-Va., and Stephanie Murphy, D-Fla.; and current Reps. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif., Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., Jamie Raskin, D-Md., and Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.

And how many people will claim to be a staff member in some way shape or form.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2025 9:07 am
Reply to  feelthebern

I delivered their printer paper.
I was the IT guy.
I took the uber eats from the front desk to the committee room.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2025 9:07 am

No doubt those of you who have sky news have seen the ads for a hose that extends with water pressure and resists kinking. 3 months later the Chunks have stolen the IP and are now flogging them off for $20.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2025 10:09 am
Reply to  GreyRanga

Trump has the right answer for them, tariffs on everything from China regardless of whether bought in an Australian store or online.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 21, 2025 9:07 am

I need to ask around and do some research.
Who is this independent Suzie Holt who is running in Groom?
Lots of billboards and TV advertising.
Anyone got any Intel? Who is funding her?

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2025 9:07 am

More prez pardon questions:

Shirley the crime(s) must be specified? yes/no?
Is there a precedent for unspecified crime pardons?

Rosie
Rosie
January 21, 2025 9:13 am

The women all looked gorgeous. Ushu was marvellous in pink this morning.

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Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
January 21, 2025 9:21 am

The arrest photo of the Southport Killer has to be the worst PR photo ever for any politician given what Starmer has said and done since the killings. The only thing Starmer has on his side at the moment is 4.5 years until the next election.

John
John
January 21, 2025 10:04 am

But that’s a BIG thing. In 4.5 years the docile Brits will forget.

caveman
caveman
January 21, 2025 9:22 am

What a smashing inauguration speach by Trump

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2025 9:23 am

Earlier, I had seen on Sky that Milley Vanilli’s portrait had been taken down within 2 hours of the Inauguration. Such a great start to my day. It felt even better when it was stated that said portrait had only been hung ten days earlier. Haw!
Trumps team really need to push ahead with the law that Generals may NOT work for any Arms or Defence industries for ten years post retirement. Also, every last one of them must have their Security Clearance revoked asap.

A good start has been made with the suspension of Security Clearances of the 51 turds who stated that Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian propaganda.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 21, 2025 9:32 am

Albanese’s exciting $2 billion Green Aluminium Production Credit scheme has been well received in the usual quarters. “Crucial support”, apparently.

But oddly the Government has provided absolutely no details of how the scheme is actually going to operate – other than $2 billion will be allocated over 10 years, on some unknown basis, per tonne of primary aluminium made with renewable electricity.

Equally oddly, there doesn’t seem to be any media or political eyebrows raised about this huge number being casually dropped on the election table without any supporting information.

So, let’s extract some.

Firstly, the Green Aluminium Production Credit scheme is a response to the industry threatening to shut down in Australia because of the massive cost burden of renewable electricity and the unwillingness of renewable players to come to the table with abundant, ‘too cheap to meter’ power for a solid baseload customer.

In 2017 Tomago smelter had a near death experience when it was curtailed for 4 hours due to a shortage of electricity in NSW (aluminium smelters without electricity freeze, and that’s it). As a result the company (and the industry as a whole) spent years trying to position itself as a prime customer to attract the hoards of renewables investors apparently itching to deliver cheap and abundant power – with Tomago promising Net Zero by 2035. 

To no avail. The Renewables Robber Barons are not interested; cheap power is for other people, renewables entrepreneurs are only interested in maximising returns by trading on the bleeding edge of the NEM, where power is most profitably expensive.

In July 2024, enter a new CEO at Tomago, who promptly declared that the Australian aluminium industry couldn’t survive on renewable electricity because the average power price is more than twice that enjoyed by the international competition – and getting worse. Mining giant Rio (who has interests in 3 of the 4 Australian smelters) joined in with calls for government support.

The result: a panicked $2 billion subsidy to prop up Albanese’s tottering Made in Australia and Net Zero policies and deflect the problem during the election.

It’s a big number but, despite the lack of detail, how far can $2 billion go spread across 10 years?

Firstly, remember the old maxim that ‘aluminium is solid electricity’. It takes about 140MWhr of electricity to produce one tonne of primary aluminium (“primary aluminium” is produced from bauxite ore, as opposed to recycled scrap metal).

Australia produces about 1.5 million tonnes of aluminium per annum – so around 15 million tonnes over 10 years.

Assuming that everyone plays and that $2 billion is spread evenly over 10 years from 2028 when the scheme kicks in, this subsidy equates to around $133 per tonne ($2 bn divided by 15 million) – or about 95 cents/MWhr of input electricity. 

Assuming the $2 billion is spread over, say a measly 10% of total aluminium produced with renewable electricity, this expands to a subsidy of $9.50/MWhr.

With average east coast NEM power prices now running between $140 and $210 per MWhr (currently heavily subsidised by coal baseload) there is something terribly wrong if $9.50 makes even a token renewable push viable. Particularly given that Australia’s aluminium competitors are working with electricity prices in the $50 to $80/MWhr range (actually way less in China).

I could easily be wrong, but without details, it’s hard to see this as a roadmap to the Sunny Uplands of Made in Australia.

But no doubt Top Men have thought all this through.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2025 9:32 am
Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2025 9:46 am

Good news indeed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 21, 2025 9:34 am

Premier Roger Cook promises to address youth crime in Geraldton by targeting repeat offenders under 10Jessica MoroneyGeraldton Guardian
Tue, 21 January 2025 2:00AM

Offenders between the ages of five and nine who currently slip through the cracks of the justice system will be targeted in a trial program under a re-elected Labor Government.
While in Geraldton on Friday, Premier Roger Cook and Police Minister Paul Papalia promised to invest almost $8 million into this initiative if they are voted back into government.
The Premier and Minister were in town to announce a number of election commitments, including releasing WA Labor’s Vision for Geraldton, which pledges to boost housing supply, provide cost of living relief, and invest in healthcare.
If re-elected, a Labor Government will also launch a pilot program in Geraldton and Perth that will target vulnerable children under the age of 10 who are often caught up in crime but are below the age of criminal responsibility, therefore let go by police into the community without punishment.
The $7.8 million On Track to Thrive program will be trialled, with the departments of Justice, Communities, Education and Health working together to steer children onto the right path by providing intervention and programs where there are currently none.
Mr Papalia said Geraldton would be the focus of the pilot program, ensuring youth who were met regularly with police were not left to their own devices.
“Agencies will be engaging with support providers to bring together a comprehensive response and do something about the five to nine-year-olds who currently offend, are picked up by police, and at the moment, receive no intervention,” he said.
The State Government will invest another $2.1 million to bring the Youth Engagement Program, operated by the Aboriginal Legal Service of WA, to Geraldton, providing culturally secure bail support services for youth between the age of 10 and 17.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 21, 2025 9:42 am

Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? WTF is a “culturally secure bail support service?”

Foxbody
Foxbody
January 21, 2025 10:14 am

Hopefully one to assist the cultural security of the rest of the community with lots of excellently multicultural Singapore police and prison guards on secondment bringing their excellently multicultural canes.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2025 9:34 am

NSW plod don’t seem to be having much luck finding these people, even after that hooded chappie was spotted with a heroic beard.

Seven arrests to date according to the ABC today with a woman from Liverpool being the latest.

Why aren’t these arrests attracting more news coverage?

Presumably because the authorities don’t want to excite a reaction from a certain quarter.

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2025 9:45 am
Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2025 9:46 am

The day care centre is located 200 metres from Maroubra synagogue which also has a day care centre. I believe the attack is deliberate, they wanted to target the synagogue but they picked the wrong site.

I see both the Slug and the Pretty Boy have turned up for a photo op this morning.

Meanwhile, the Ed the Islamist has said this morning….

Industry Minister Ed Husic, the nation’s most senior Muslim minister, said the anti-Semitic attack was “such a low-life act”.

Mr Husic said it was “really important” to tackle anti-Semitism as well as to see a “drop in Islamophobia”.

Some questions for Ed the Islamist….

Pray, tell me where suburbs with large number of Muslims living in them have been targeted with Islamophobia graffiti such as “kill Muslims’?

Pray, tell me where a mosque has been torched and graffitied, like Ripponlea, like the attempted torching of Newtown Shul?

Pray, tell me where numerous cars in suburbs where lots of Muslims live have been torched?

Pray, tell me where and when a Jewish rabbi has compared Muslims to ‘apes” and told his/her congregants to go ‘find and kill Muslims”.

Pray, tell me Ed the Islamist, where this so called ‘Islamophobia” is?

That’s right, Ed the Islamist, the Slug and Pretty Boy are gaslighting and lying.

We need a change in government in this country, desperately.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 21, 2025 9:54 am

Prelim intel on Suzie Holt
Ran last election under Teal colours. Leftie.
No teal colour on ads this time. Maybe the brand is on the nose?
More later. My source is checking further.

calli
calli
January 21, 2025 10:15 am
Reply to  Eyrie

Let’s go to Magrot. She says “no! Nothing to see here!”

The colours chosen mean nothing! Nothing at all!

Of all the hues of the spectrum, Holt chose teal. Decide for yourself what that means.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 21, 2025 10:03 am

Migrants break down in tears as Trump shuts down border entry app just minutes after taking officeDaily Mail.

Donald Trump for King!

cohenite
January 21, 2025 10:03 am

That perverted grub biden has pardoned milley, fauci and that hag and the rest of the Jan 6 committee:

Biden Issues Preemptive Pardons for Milley, Fauci, J6 Committee, and Others

I hope biden gets bowel cancer.

Someone did make a good point that since biden is brain dead his pardons can be challenged. I think they still have the imprimatur of the POTUS even if the old shit is brain dead but it would be a fun process to challenge his pardons of these grubs on the basis he was legally non compos mentos.

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Arky
January 21, 2025 10:17 am
Reply to  cohenite

Biden is just a husk.
As I stated four years ago, he would see out his term because the machine needed him to be there.
No Biden to turn favours into cash, no cash, no machine.
He didn’t know half the stuff he was signing at the end.
I wish him a long and happy life.
But I am fairly sure it will be neither.
It is these political machines that are to blame.
The need by politicians at all levels for stupendous amounts of cash in order to obtain offices which return salaries in no way worth the outlay. Of course there is a parallel stream of cash with many beaks taking a share.
The game is fundamentally crooked.

calli
calli
January 21, 2025 10:07 am

Noticed the pianist at the Capitol played one of my favourite hymns just before the arrival of the new VP. Great is Thy Faithfulness. Composed by a Kentucky boy.

Great is thy faithfulness, O God, my Father;

There is no shadow of turning with thee.

Thou changest not, thy compassions, they fail not;

As thou hast been, thou forever wilt be.

One that I have sung to myself many…many times during life’s hardships and battles.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2025 10:16 am

Seven arrests to date according to the ABC today with a woman from Liverpool being the latest.

Refused bail and appearing in Liverpool court today, btw.

Charges as reported by ABC:

participate criminal group, contribute criminal activity, accessory before the fact to destroy or damage property, and be carried in conveyance taken without consent of owner.”

  1. Seven arrests to date according to the ABC today with a woman from Liverpool being the latest. Refused bail and…

  2. Let’s go to Magrot. She says “no! Nothing to see here!” The colours chosen mean nothing! Nothing at all! Of…

  3. Hopefully one to assist the cultural security of the rest of the community with lots of excellently multicultural Singapore police…

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