Open Thread – Weekend 3 Sept 2021


The Course of Empire-Destruction, Thomas Cole, 1836

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Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 12:27 pm

Queensryche’s Operation Mind:Crime is what libertarians and conservatives need to listen to now. It’s the soundtrack to our lives.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2021 12:27 pm

There is no legal basis for most of the things they’ve done to us lately, but it doesn’t seem to stop them doing it.

You’ll find the legal basis in the various state public health emergency Acts and in various High Court rulings on state borders and freedom of movement across them.

Given that neither side of politics in Opposition (e.g. Liberals in QLD & Vic or Labor in NSW) has vigorously opposed the relevant state premiers, indicating that they’ll have little interest in reforming these Acts when they gain power, the question is what to do about it? Forming and supporting new parties dedicated to such legislative reform must be the answer; with sufficient electoral support, they could leverage the established parties into action.

Arky
September 8, 2021 12:29 pm

You gotta ask yourself the question: Why do I hear of this from a man who’s fame derived from training his girlfriend’s pug to sieg heil? What happened to serious journalism in this country? Furthermore, how much of a joke have we become to overseas anglophones? we are pathetic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca0bItNziac

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 12:34 pm

Are these people all insane? Does he think anybody is going to vote for him after this? Are they going to lock out the non-vaccinated from voting?

Maybe they should look at what is happening in Canada.

Justin Trudeau Pelted By Rocks At Campaign Event (7 Sep)

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been pelted by rocks while on a campaign stop Monday ahead of Canada’s general election. The incident took place in London, Ontario – with the Canadian leader later confirming he believes he was hit on the shoulder. The inbound objects were widely described as “small rocks”.

Video shows him being pushed onto a bus by his aides to escape a large and unruly group of protesters angry at his vaccine mandate policies, which include required Covid vaccines for all workers in federally regulated industries, as well as for any citizen to travel by rail, public bus, or commercial flight.

Such things would’ve been unthinkable a year ago. If ScoMo and Barilaro really want to destroy their own parties they’re certainly going about it the right way.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2021 12:39 pm

Via John J Ray’s blog Dissecting Leftism

One-in-four Australians say they know someone who died by suicide or attempted to take their own life in the past year – equivalent to five million adults – a new survey has found.

Suicide Prevention Australia chief executive officer Nieves Murray said major social and economic events had historically influenced suicide rates.

How many know someone who was hospitalised with or died from Kung Flu in that period?

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 12:48 pm

Wow.

John Ray is still going!

C.L.
C.L.
September 8, 2021 12:53 pm

Aye, Dot. John J Ray is a stayer and a blog legend.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 12:56 pm

One-in-four Australians say they know someone who died by suicide or attempted to take their own life in the past year – equivalent to five million adults – a new survey has found.

That number seems a bit high.
But it would be elevated.
Just as delta started in Sydney, someone I know topped themselves.
It’s hard to explain the way you react.
I felt fuzzy brained for a week or so.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2021 12:58 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:03 pm

A guy I do business with said that a girl at his daughters school topped herself earlier this year.
Before lock downs began again.
Then there was a handful of other girls at the same school started self harming shortly after.
I can understand why it’s under reported when it comes to school kids because it seems like it spreads like a virus.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:06 pm

I blame social media for a lot of the craziness in the west today.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2021 1:06 pm

Scummo has cured me.
I’ve had my freedom vaccine and I’m never voting Lib/Nat ever again.
Feeling better already.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 8, 2021 1:07 pm

Britain carefree as Covid rates rise

 

JACQUELIN MAGNAY – The Australian

Covid-19 rates are expected to spike in the coming weeks as children return to school across Britain and Europe, but despite high levels of virus circulating, the general mood is one of “we don’t care’’.

Bolstered by high vaccination rates, people are returning to their work spaces, the Tube is crammed, planes are full and mask usage is minimal, even while more than 40,000 cases are reported each day in Britain.

British experts, most of whose forecasts have been wildly inaccurate throughout the pandemic, have continued doom-laden predictions and have advised the government to prepare for a mini-lockdown by extending the next school holidays by several weeks if hospitalisation rates rise beyond the health service’s ability to cope.

However, any move by Prime Minister Boris Johnson to reintroduce mandatory masks or social distancing would be a “measure of last resort’’, says 10 Downing Street, knowing that it would be hugely unpopular and resisted by a population that is increasingly concerned about the social and economic costs of such moves.

Britons are generally carrying on with life, satisfied that Covid is no longer the major cause of death (it is now at No. 9 behind dementia and Alzheimers) even though the virus is expected to claim as many as 100 lives a day. In normal times, 40,000 Britons die each month from all causes.

Imperial College London professor Neil Ferguson, who continues to advise the Johnson government despite his poor track record of anticipating the virus’s impact, warned: “It could be that we see two to three weeks of growth of cases and then it plateaus and starts to decline.

“The challenge is it could be six to eight weeks (of rising case numbers), in which case numbers of hospitalisations a day could go up to levels which significantly stress the NHS and we just can’t predict that at the moment.”

Another government adviser, John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said cases would not come down any time soon.

“We are left waiting for herd immunity to kick in to stop the epidemic going any further, and I think we’re quite a long way away from that,” Professor Edmunds said. “We’re in for a more difficult period, more cases than most people think that we’re in for, and that will put pressure on the health service.”

While current Covid case numbers are 20 times higher than at the same time last year, the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations is a fifth of last year.

Britain has just recorded its seven millionth confirmed case of coronavirus, but this underestimates the number because most people, sick with symptoms, were told to stay at home and were not tested until four months into the pandemic.

On Monday 41,192 positive tests were reported and there were 45 Covid-related deaths, with 7606 Covid patients in hospital, of which 1034 are on ventilators. At the height of the pandemic there were 34,000 people suffering Covid in British hospitals.

The current infection levels seen in Britain haven’t been mirrored across the continent, although some of this is because of far less testing being carried out.

Across the EU only 11 people per 100,000 are catching Covid, despite it being the busy summer holiday season.

In Denmark where 90 per cent of the population has been vaccinated, all coronavirus countermeasures have been lifted.

 

Mater
September 8, 2021 1:12 pm

Ohhhhh for the days when Human Rights advocates advocated for Human Rights.

“At the hearing of these charges at the Magistrates’ Court, Mr Kaba successfully objected to the evidence of the police under section 138(1) of the Evidence Act arguing that the charges were the result of the police’s unlawful and improper conduct in carrying out a random licence check for which they had no power. Mr Kaba also argued that there had been a breach of his rights to freedom of movement and privacy under the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 (Vic) (“Charter”).

https://www.hrlc.org.au/human-rights-case-summaries/random-stops-and-license-checks-by-police-lawful-coercive-questioning-not

Where have all these ‘protections’ gone?
It seems so long ago.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 1:16 pm

I’ve had my freedom vaccine and I’m never voting Lib/Nat ever again.

You have to vote for them. Whether you put them first, last or middle is another story.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2021 1:18 pm

Ben Roberts-Smith’s ex-wife ‘caught lying under oath’, court told

Ben Roberts-Smith’s lawyers have told a court they have ‘proof’ his former wife was lying about a crucial matter in his high-profile defamation case.
Perry Duffin
Perry Duffin
Senior Court Reporter
@perryduffin1
2 min read
September 8, 2021 – 11:48AM
NCA NewsWire
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news.com.au2:17

Ben Roberts-Smith’s former wife has been “caught out lying” in sworn evidence about crucial emails, a court has been told.

The former elite soldier is suing Nine newspapers for defamation over a series of articles alleging he committed war crimes in Afghanistan and domestic violence – which he denies.

But is also suing his former wife, Emma Roberts, in a separate case.

Mr Roberts-Smith claims Ms Roberts released his private communications to Nine ahead of the defamation trial of the century.

Ms Roberts, in sworn affidavits, denied she had given her friend Danielle Scott access to the email accounts and leaked emails.

But the SAS veteran‘s legal team this week told the Federal Court they had objective proof that was a lie.
Emma Roberts leaked emails of Ben Roberts-Smith, her former husband, to Nine via her friend, Danielle Scott

“The only person who had access to that (Roberts-Smith) email was an email address associated with Ms Danielle Scott or her husband,” the soldier’s barrister Arthur Moses SC said on Wednesday.

“(Ms Roberts) has been caught out lying on the objective evidence.”

Mr Moses said Telstra and website records showed the email address from the Scotts was used to access the soldier’s email at least 101 times.

That allowed Nine to become “armed” with ”private and confidential” information for their defamation defence, Mr Moses said.

Mr Moses told the court Ms Roberts may now be brought into court for examination.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:21 pm

Ben Roberts-Smith’s ex-wife ‘caught lying under oath’, court told

GOOD.

But it never stopped Jay & Milligan.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:23 pm

I don’t understand how the judge/court has allowed Channel 9/Fairfax to backfill it’s defamation case.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2021 1:24 pm

You have to vote for them. Whether you put them first, last or middle is another story.
Bugger!

Bushkid
Bushkid
September 8, 2021 1:24 pm

feelthebern says:
September 8, 2021 at 12:56 pm
One-in-four Australians say they know someone who died by suicide or attempted to take their own life in the past year – equivalent to five million adults – a new survey has found.

That number seems a bit high.
But it would be elevated.
Just as delta started in Sydney, someone I know topped themselves.
It’s hard to explain the way you react.
I felt fuzzy brained for a week or so.

I do know a couple of people who have seriously discussed suicide over this entire mess. Others who have seriously stated they will not live under these restrictions if they become the “norm”, i.e., if this really is the beginning of “their” great reset, or a permanent theft of all meaningful human rights. There is a very strong feeling of preference to exit on their own terms, rather than submit to a long, slow destruction at the hands of inhuman government.

When you see so many decent, solid, capable, thinking people, those who have not forgotten history, taking such a position you know they are not floating idle fantasies.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:26 pm

Say whatever you want.
Get sued.
During discovery, trawl through things you had no idea about to try prove what you said wasn’t defamatory.
It doesn’t work like that.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:30 pm

When you see so many decent, solid, capable, thinking people, those who have not forgotten history, taking such a position you know they are not floating idle fantasies.

I can not imagine what a small business owner who has sunk everything into it, just to see the government say they can not operate must be feeling.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:30 pm

I don’t understand how the judge/court has allowed Channel 9/Fairfax to backfill it’s defamation case.

Some judges may believe in the idea if you give a nefarious party enough rope…I doubt we have 4D chess judges though. Okay, maybe Gaegler writing nice succinct judgments.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 1:31 pm

That number seems a bit high.
But it would be elevated.

Bern, it’s a “six degrees of separation” stat, with carefully crafted escalating questions:-
Do you know someone personally who has committed suicide?
Have you heard of someone in your circle of family, friends and work colleagues … ?
Have you read or seen media reports … ?
By the time you get to that very broad third question you feel like you are uncaring and ignorant if you say “no”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:35 pm

With the Joe Aston defamation case, the judge continually referred to what he knew, at the time of the columns he wrote.

He continually said that other issues that were raised by the lawyers had nothing to do with what was before the court.
I don’t understand how one judge in a defamation case can appear to have such a different take than another judge on defamation law.

C.L.
C.L.
September 8, 2021 1:36 pm

Ex Mrs Roberts-Smith is in a world of trouble.
Moses caught her out cold.
She should be charged.

She’s obviously not very bright. Yes, love, barristers can subpoena Telstra records.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2021 1:36 pm

Dotsays:
September 8, 2021 at 12:48 pm
Wow.

John Ray is still going!

He eased back while having cancer treatment, but is back to posting fairy frequently.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 1:36 pm
Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 1:40 pm

Israel considering 4th (experimental) jab.

Seriously. Fark me.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2021 1:42 pm

You have to vote for them. Whether you put them first, last or middle is another story.

Rude words or drawings on a ballot paper count as a valid vote?

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:44 pm

Good find, Lysander.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 1:47 pm

Rude words or drawings on a ballot paper count as a valid vote?

Fair call Boambee and very true.

The only thing that is compulsory in our election is getting your name ticked off… you’re right, you don’t actually have to vote.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:48 pm

Israel considering 4th (experimental) jab.

Seriously. Fark me.

Wait for the booster jabs, anal swabs and daily pills.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 1:49 pm

Rude words or drawings on a ballot paper count as a valid vote?

Just make sure you mark the paper enough so some party worker can not mistake it for a genuine vote.
“none of the above”.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:51 pm

Remember,

The real power grab is when the unvaccinated are told they are not allowed to turn up to polling stations.

To protect the community, of course.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 1:51 pm

Just make sure you mark the paper enough so some party worker can not mistake it for a genuine vote.

Or quietly fill it out as they thought you might have intended.

Megan
Megan
September 8, 2021 1:52 pm

I can not imagine what a small business owner who has sunk everything into it, just to see the government say they can not operate must be feeling

I can tell you that my daughter is watching her entire future sinking without trace. She went completely freelance at the beginning of last year confident that her micro business would adequately provide for her and her two children. Their father contributes roughly $8 a day in support for those two kids. That’s all the CSA deems him liable to pay. He has worked right through all but the first lockdown last year.

She was notified yesterday that she is not eligible for any of the disaster or business grants on offer because she did not register for BAS until July 1st. She had not registered for BAS previously as she has never earned enough to reach the $75K threshold.
There is one other grant she may or may not qualify for but it requires the services of an accountant to complete and it’s first come, first served. If you can’t get it in quickly enough, or you are too far down the line and the allocation is exhausted…tough.

She is now facing the very real possibility she will have to return the deposits she took for work to be delivered once the kids were back at school. She is eating through her savings, she has had to postpone her Masters degree for the third time, she doesn’t understand why she is excluded from help that other, less desperate, businesses are getting.

We are helping her out as mischief as we can as a family. Worst case scenario is that she and the kids will have to move in with us. We are but one family in roughly 13 million. Do the sums. The answer will be multiples greater than the number of COVID dead.

But Dunderhead Dan and Stoatweasel Scummo share their loving happy family clips to demonstrate how we are all in it together. News Flash to Tyrants: We are not, we have never been and we never will be. Relentless repetition and flooding social media will never make it so.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 1:53 pm

Become ungovernable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 1:53 pm

Whenever I have voted informal I have taken the ballot paper with me.
Lower house only.
I think it is an offence to remove a ballot paper from the booth, and you are never sneaking one of those Senate bedsheets out.

Megan
Megan
September 8, 2021 1:54 pm

Mischief = much. Whomever designed autocorrect should burn in hello.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2021 1:54 pm

“The only person who had access to that (Roberts-Smith) email was an email address associated with Ms Danielle Scott or her husband,” the soldier’s barrister Arthur Moses SC said on Wednesday.

Very sloppy sentence for a SC which either displays his ignorance of matters IT or misreported
Does he mean IP address associated with Scott, or that they somehow used an email address like [email protected] to access [email protected] ?

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
September 8, 2021 1:56 pm

Just make sure you mark the paper enough so some party worker can not mistake it for a genuine vote.
“none of the above”.

I suggest you take a pen and completely fill in the boxes beside all the candidates’ names, otherwise party scrutineers might take the opportunity to fill in your blank ballot. It also clearly demonstrates to said scrutineers that it’s a deliberate vote of no confidence in all of the parties.

Megan
Megan
September 8, 2021 1:57 pm

She’s obviously not very bright.

Quelle surprise!

areff
areff
September 8, 2021 1:59 pm

I’ll be interested to see if the Satmars knuckle under to VicPol and Premier Pustule, as they’re a particularly vigorous lot when challenged. Some years ago, a dissident member of their Brooklyn (NY) flock was spotted riding a bus. The bus was pulled over and the miscreant dragged out. Cops arrived, Satmars not only fought back they invaded the precinct house and occupied it until the some nob commissioner arrived to make peace.

The Satmars periodically come to blows with the Lubavitchers, even to the point of cutting off rival rabbis’ beards.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/21/nyregion/2-hasidic-groups-in-brooklyn-involved-in-complex-conflict.html

I reckon Melbourne’s Satmars will be back for more. Wonder if the wallopers will turn out in the full star trooper regalia? That will make for some fascinating photos of life in Melbourne to share with the world.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 8, 2021 2:03 pm

When you see so many decent, solid, capable, thinking people, those who have not forgotten history, taking such a position you know they are not floating idle fantasies.

I would contemplate murdering those who have made my life hell long, long before I would consider suicide.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2021 2:06 pm

Whenever I have voted informal I have taken the ballot paper with me.

FFS don’t do that. Draw all over it, write rude words all over it, but put it in the frikken box regardless because you are making extra work for polling staff.

The PPM has to reconcile the #of votes issued vs the number cast+handed in as spoiled. If the difference is over 10, the polling staff have to do one or more recounts, and if teh number is still wrong, they then go through all the rubbish to find missing ballots, and unpack everything to look for the missing ballots(they are not counted but put in the ‘spoiled’ pile). When I was a PPM, the question was asked what if the number of missing ballots in a seat exceeds the winning margin? Answer the court of disputed returns may order another election.

Megan
Megan
September 8, 2021 2:08 pm

I would contemplate murdering those who have made my life hell long, long before I would consider suicide

Excellent point. I will need to read a few more tomes on the various Resistances throughout history to begin preparations.

C.L.
C.L.
September 8, 2021 2:12 pm

Very sloppy sentence for a SC which either displays his ignorance of matters IT or misreported
Does he mean IP address associated with Scott, or that they somehow used an email address like [email protected] to access [email protected] ?

Sloppy how?

He means that Scott accessed Roberts-Smith’s email from her home – as subpoenaed records show – using the password R-S’s ex-wife gave her.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2021 2:13 pm

I suggest you take a pen and completely fill in the boxes beside all the candidates’ names, otherwise party scrutineers might take the opportunity to fill in your blank ballot. It also clearly demonstrates to said scrutineers that it’s a deliberate vote of no confidence in all of the parties.

Scrutineers may look, but not touch, ever. To allow otherwise would require the cooperation of the PPM or his/her deputy(the deputy usually conducts the count while the PPM does the paperwork), every person counting votes, and ALL the other scrutineers – how likely do you think that is ?

Work an election to see what the process is.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:14 pm

I can’t remember what I drew on the papers at the last federal election.
It was either boobs, or dick & balls.
Or maybe both.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 2:15 pm

“areffsays:
September 8, 2021 at 1:59 pm”

LOL…thanks areff. I’m reminded of a physical brawl I witnessed here in Sydney decades ago. It was on Shabbat, after synagogue and there was a physical brawl between some Adassniks and Lubavitchers…the Lubes (as we call them) won because they had a few Israelis among them.

Various Hasidic groups have been fighting each other for centuries. The Satmar loathe the Lubavitch and vice versa…they call each other “apikorus” which basically means “heathen” or “apostate”. Sadly most Hasidic sects were wiped out in the Holocaust. Have you watched Shtisl?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:16 pm

how likely do you think that is

At some polling stations, easier than you think.
Especially with fake Liberals ie the Greens running around.

You have too much faith in the system.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 2:18 pm

CL.
I think the sentence was deemed to be sloppy because it might have more correctly read:-

“The only person who had access to that (Roberts-Smith) email who was not either BRS and/or his wife was an email address from an IP address associated with Ms Danielle Scott or her husband,” the soldier’s barrister Arthur Moses SC said on Wednesday.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 8, 2021 2:20 pm

Megan says:
September 8, 2021 at 2:08 pm

I would contemplate murdering those who have made my life hell long, long before I would consider suicide

Excellent point. I will need to read a few more tomes on the various Resistances throughout history to begin preparations.

I would urge anyone having suicidal thoughts to carefully work out who is responsible for their misery and then make effective plans to destroy them. This strategy can only improve the world for the rest of us. It’s getting to the point where anything less is submission to fascist tyranny.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2021 2:20 pm

Sloppy how?

The quote has him as saying they were accessed from an EMAIL address, not an IP address. Either that or the himbo/bimbo who write the article misquoted him

They are very different things and have very different meanings. IP addresses look like 123.456.78 and are used to identify a computer. An email address looks like [email protected] and identifies an email account. I can access my email from any computer anywhere as it is not tied to the IP address where I access it from.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 2:21 pm

Sorry.
Bolding fail.
But, yes, the point is that a third party was given access to BRS email.
Was this illegal in and of itself?
I don’t know.
The key thing is Mrs ex-BRS has apparently lied under oath about it.

areff
areff
September 8, 2021 2:21 pm

It’s on the viewing list, Cassie

Ex and I used to do biz with a Lubavitch packaging company in Joisey. I mention this only because the names of the three principals were straight out of Shetl Casting: Izzy, Mo and Shlomo.

Bons
September 8, 2021 2:22 pm

Funny man.
I pulled onto one of the last remaining cross river car ferries yesterday. Chatting to the captain or whatever he is called on a ferry, I told him not to turn his back or I’d have his dream job off him.
“I doubt that you could pass the navigation exam, he responded”. Clever.
The bonhomie evaporated when he said that he was employed under the Maritime Services Award and earns more money than Twiggie Forrest. The river is about 200 meters across.
R’sole, that explains why ferry prices have quadrupled cover recent years. Ridiculous country.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2021 2:23 pm

There’s a lot of businesses posting that they won’t discriminate between vax status customers. Don’t know how long it will last till FB shuts it down but there’s hope.

Unusually, Morrison is ahead of the curve on this one:

“A business under property law has the ability to say ‘no, you can’t come in’, and they can ask for that [proof of vaccination], that’s a legitimate thing for them to do, and they’re doing that to protect their own workers, to protect their other clients,” Morrison told 2GB radio…

Scummo knows that these reactionaries will be crushed by an Iron Boot. The first prosecutions under the Work Health and Safety Act 2011 and a few damages claims by outraged activists in front of Judge Mordy will bring things nicely under control.

No blood on those lily white hands…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 2:23 pm

Yes, Diogenes, that was the meaning I was getting to.
And it is entirely possible (probable) that this is being covered by the third assistant lifestyle editor who is equally clueless about IT and the law.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 2:23 pm

“I blame social media for a lot of the craziness in the west today.”

Yep. Abigal Shrier is the author of “Irreversible Damage, The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters”. She writes about how social media is contributing to the spread of the whole grotesque transgender craze. She advises parents to keep their children and teenagers away from social media for as long as possible.

Bons
September 8, 2021 2:24 pm

Gez, well done on your resolution. It’s like finaly cancelling your The Australian sub. Just feels empowering.
Good luck for the closing, we are looking pretty good here, thankfully.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 2:24 pm

“It’s on the viewing list, Cassie”

I just love it…it’s superb. And I love hearing the Yiddish spoken too.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:26 pm

The key thing is Mrs ex-BRS has apparently lied under oath about it.

Does she have an autistic child?
That’s the golden ticket these days to get out of all sorts of grief.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 8, 2021 2:27 pm

The Beanies’ twatter feed includes where some weirdo claims that Ivermectin sterilises 85% of the men that take it.

They are just making preposterously far fetched claims to demonise Ivermectin now. Reeks of desperation.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:32 pm

Amongst the cocktail that Rogan took, was NAD.
He takes NAD/NMN as a part of his daily regime.
I think the army of T cells that Rogan has in excess of what 99.9% of people over 50 have had something to do with his two day recovery.

areff
areff
September 8, 2021 2:37 pm

I love hearing the Yiddish spoken too.

Wish I could speak and read it. I once used ‘shickered’ to describe the condition I was in, thinking it was Australian slang. My companion of the evening informed me we’d pinched it — a few other terms too.

http://ozwords.org/?p=6227

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 2:41 pm

The Beanies’ twatter feed includes where some weirdo claims that Ivermectin sterilises 85% of the men that take it.

Since it is widely used in Africa for its original purpose, and since those African countries do not have massive sterility problems I think that claim ranks up there with “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 8, 2021 2:41 pm

I make no apology for that is the new up yours.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
September 8, 2021 2:44 pm

Diogenes, to be frank I wouldn’t trust polling booth staff to police scrutineers. When I voted at the Eden-Monaro by-election the person handing out the ballot papers hadn’t initialled the ballot and I had to go back and get it signed before I put it in the box.

areff
areff
September 8, 2021 2:46 pm

Things I miss about NYC:

The Mitzvah Tank

Knishes

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:56 pm

DB, sorry, went to like your HC comment but reported it.
Sorry dude.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 2:56 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 2:59 pm

DB, how did the HC turn itself into a pretzel to say that fb & the individual posters have zero liability, but the news organisations did?

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:05 pm

The saying mean things on the internet ‘that’ CL.
🙂 🙁 😉 ;(

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 3:10 pm

“Knishes”

When I think of NYC…I think of knishes, Rugelach and the Carlebach Shul.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 3:13 pm

HB Bear!
Welcome aboard!
But for Christ’s sake man, put some trousers on.
This is Flash-Cat.

132andBush
132andBush
September 8, 2021 3:14 pm

Re the suicide, covid cases, deaths anecdotes.

My best friends 15yr old daughter attempted suicide this year, tipped over the edge by being shut down. (Vic)

The only infected person is a 60yr old bloke who last year underwent surgery for bowel cancer and caught covid while undergoing follow up chemotherapy. Slightly blocked nose.

The only death that could possibly be attached to covid was a distant uncle in the UK.
High BP – Stroke- Emergency Operation- clinging to life- recovering- catches covid- recovers from covid- recovering well- given vaccine- dies. He was 83.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2021 3:16 pm

Bons says:
September 8, 2021 at 2:24 pm
Gez, well done on your resolution. It’s like finaly cancelling your The Australian sub. Just feels empowering.
Good luck for the closing, we are looking pretty good here, thankfully.

Good here too.
Still spending money with fungicides to go on all crops before the next rain.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 3:18 pm

Reach for the vomit bag.

“Sky News Political Editor Andrew Clennell says Labor is considering moving Kristina Keneally to the House of Representatives by clearing the way for her to run for the seat of Fowler.

sfw
sfw
September 8, 2021 3:20 pm

A few days ago, a woman who used to be a neighbour told me about the terrible covid death of her father, it hurts her and she broods on it. Then she told me he was 95…..

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:20 pm

Seems there’s a bear in da house.

Welcome, regardless of attire.

Rabz
September 8, 2021 3:23 pm

the choice made by the news orgs to host a facebook feed but would that mean that anyone hosting a social media feed is liable for defamatory statements made within the feed but not the social media company producing the feed itself? How does that work?

The ALPBC is claiming that the HC stated that the “news organisations” encouraged the “defamatory statements” on the spacechook feeds due to the tone of their reporting on poor li’l ol’ Voles.

Yet another absolutely disgraceful decision by those useless Humpty Dumptyesque waffling windbags.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:24 pm

The burning question though, was he defamed?
I thought truth was a defence.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 3:26 pm

The burning question though, was he defamed?
I thought truth was a defence.

Not quite. Catching out the defamers with perjury is just as fun.

miltonf
miltonf
September 8, 2021 3:30 pm

You have to vote for them. Whether you put them first, last or middle is another story.

Rubbish. Just spoil your ballot paper if no one there is worth voting for.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:30 pm
Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 3:35 pm

“Yet another absolutely disgraceful decision by those useless Humpty Dumptyesque waffling windbags.”

I’ll cut them some slack…they got the Pell appeal right.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:36 pm

Spoiling makes sense.
Just clearly write f*** y** across the ballot paper.
Quoting your favourite bible verse instead is another reasonably popular option.
Or as someone mentioned upthread, draw a pretty picture.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 3:36 pm

Celeste
@celestekdawson
·
3h
Replying to
@DanielAndrewsMP
I love you Dan Andrews, from a (vaccinated) mother of a very busy 1 year old living in Geelong. Thank you.

newO eihcaL
@LachieOwen
·
3h
Replying to
@DanielAndrewsMP
love you dan

Liz
@Liz10636259
·
3h
Replying to
@DanielAndrewsMP
Thank you Health officer!

Normal

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 3:39 pm

hey ho – I’ve been invited to a virtual town-hall with my local member and Scotty.

Maybe my opinionated blast at the local member got some traction?

Anyone else?

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 3:42 pm

A business under property law has the ability to say ‘no, you can’t come in’,

Do they?

A daycare can tell a fag to “not come in”, or a servo can tell a chinga to “not come in”?

No, there’s only one type of person you can say “no, you can’t come in” to, and that’s the person who the Federal Government is right now tying itself in knows to create a vast technical apparatus around to enable businesses to see their private medical details in direct violation of 30 years of ‘anti-discrimination’ laws that they rammed down our unwilling throats.

shatterzzz
September 8, 2021 3:43 pm

I can not imagine what a small business owner who has sunk everything into it, just to see the government say they can not operate must be feeling
My eldest daughter opened a lunch/takeaway business 3 weeks before GLADYS 1st lockdown .. since then she had managed to keep her head above water .. things were on the up & up and then GLADYS thru on the 2nd lockdown .. she is, fortunately, getting by because two of her siblings are. self made, millionaires and have willingly come to the party money-wise when bills or wages have exceeded the take .. she did have to lay off 2 staff and put others on less hours whilst she now puts in at least 50 hours a week ( always includes the weekends) .. the original idea, of course, being to establish & step back slightly to spend more time with the kids ……
No idea if she qualifies for any of the gummint stuff on offer but if there are minimum turnover requirements I doubt it as she only ever has had that one window between lockdowns to make any real headway …..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 3:44 pm

DB, how did the HC turn itself into a pretzel to say that fb & the individual posters have zero liability, but the news organisations did?

If it’s the one I am thinking of, the complainant was one Dylan Voller.
Don Dale spithood guy.
Ker-Ching.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 3:44 pm

As a business owner or manager ask a limp wristed fag if he has aids as he enters your ‘property’.

See how you go.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
September 8, 2021 3:46 pm

duncanm,

I got a phone call today from one of The Tudgers people asking a few questions. No invite to virtual town hall though. I’m assuming that my recent emails may have prompted the call. Who knows.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 3:49 pm

The QLD Anti-Discrimination act is extremely broad:

The Anti-Discrimination Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of the following attributes:

sex
relationship status
pregnancy
parental status
breastfeeding
age
race
impairment
religious belief or religious activity
political belief or activity
trade union activity
lawful sexual activity
gender identity
sexuality
family responsibilities
association with, or relation to, a person identified on the basis of any of these attributes.

The Act also makes the following conduct unlawful:

requesting or encouraging a contravention of the Act;
requesting unnecessary information;
discriminatory advertising.

Scott Morrison is acting unlawfully according to the laws of the state of QLD.

Zipster
September 8, 2021 3:49 pm

I am not prone to conspiracies but something doesn’t smell right about this desire to inject everybody

Medical research shows dire need for kids to be included in vaccine rollout

why the blatant lies?

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 3:49 pm

No, there’s only one type of person you can say “no, you can’t come in” to, and that’s the person who the Federal Government is right now tying itself in knows to create a vast technical apparatus around to enable businesses to see their private medical details in direct violation of 30 years of ‘anti-discrimination’ laws that they rammed down our unwilling throats.

exactly.

There’s specific laws saying you can’t keep a person infected with AIDS out, and you have no right to ask about any other infections or vaccination status.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2021 3:50 pm

Re the suicide, covid cases, deaths anecdotes.

Suicides…
As someone said up thread suicides can spread like a virus
1 girl at a neighbouring school, followed by 3 unsuccessful attempts at that school then 4 attempts at my former school, sadly one sucessfull – all the girls belonged to the same social group. I have heard through ex-colleagues that there are more among schools in our Zone.
Not suicides but as I still have access to my old email I am seeing an increase in the number of ‘welfare’ cases, ie kids requiring; a bit of TLC, tuning out of school completely, or self-harming because they are having trouble coping with any one or combination of; 1) online learning, 2) isolation because of lockdown, 3) changes in parental fortune (income / employment) , 4) family issues as a result of #3 (breakups, DV etc), or 5) death of a relative(not covid related, but locked out of hospital/nursing home because covid) .

With covid – only Mrs D’s 70 yo aunt who caught it in the US, and recovered.

Deaths – expecting one soon. Mrs D’s mother has dementia and is locked in a nursing home in Tweed Heads. Her husband has not been allowed to see her for 3 months, and since Pileoshit slammed the borders shut has only spoken to her on the phone twice. Reason half the staff are on the wrong side of the border and the NH staff are too busy feeding, toileting, dressing or otherwise caring for patients to do phonecalls, they do their best but… Last time Mrs D spoke with her step-dad (Fathers Day) he was in tears because she sounds like she has deteriorated so much he expects her to be gone by Christmas.

Never forget who who was responsible for all of this!

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
September 8, 2021 3:51 pm

Regarding the right of business owners to not serve you etc. I and a couple of friends will be taking photos of businesses who refuse service to the Unvaxxed and making a list. This we will spread across the interewebs and fartchook etc letting people know who the xunts are.

Businesses that support the Unvaxxed will be promoted.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 8, 2021 3:52 pm

Yes its twitter dan sets regional Victoria free sorta kinda what a hero

Wow!

It is chilling to see how many people are praising Dear Leader.

And see how well they are trained to hate the vile scapegoat – the unvaxxed.

They aren’t glad to be free because they aren’t free. They love the leash he has them on. They are just glad he is taking them out for a walk.

Delta A
Delta A
September 8, 2021 3:53 pm

Yay!

There’s a bear in here.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 8, 2021 3:53 pm

I can not imagine what a small business owner who has sunk everything into it, just to see the government say they can not operate must be feeling

Ha! I was ahead of the curve when the red witch changed lending laws overnight wrecking my business and costing me everything I had.
Not a great place to be.
Taken another 8 years to clear the debt.
If I was living in Sodom Id be in a jail cell now.
And famous.

Zipster
September 8, 2021 3:54 pm

The only death that could possibly be attached to covid was a distant uncle in the UK.
High BP – Stroke- Emergency Operation- clinging to life- recovering- catches covid- recovers from covid- recovering well- given vaccine- dies. He was 83.

why on earth would someone who had the ccp virus need a vaccine?

The only difference between the ccp virus and the vaccine is the virus gives you a higher dose of the toxic S1 spike protein.

china must be made to pay

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 3:55 pm

“Sky News Political Editor Andrew Clennell says Labor is considering moving Kristina Keneally to the House of Representatives by clearing the way for her to run for the seat of Fowler.

I’m surprised they didn’t give her safe seat sooner.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 3:58 pm

I wouldn’t read too much in to the danslaver.
Twitter isn’t the room, and they follow Dan’s account so are numpties by definition.
And the idiocy of thanking Dan for setting you free from an unnecessary prison he put you in, in the first place.
What can you say?
As for blaming unvaxxed, who were the scapegoat before vaccines?
There’s always someone to point a finger at.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 3:59 pm

“If it’s the one I am thinking of, the complainant was one Dylan Voller.”

We can thank Turdbull for the elevation of Voller.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
September 8, 2021 4:00 pm

Big earthquake in Acapulco 7.0

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 4:00 pm

So this is new to me.

Higgins accussed (Bruce Lehrmann) insists that not only didn’t he rape Brittany, they didn’t even have intercourse.

Someone’s lying – or there’s a lot of hair-splitting (ala Bill Clinton) going on.

Megan
Megan
September 8, 2021 4:00 pm

I’ve ventured down to the almost, but not quite, local shopping strip because it has the cleanest, best kept laundromat within my 5k. It’s bi-annual visit that ensures the two white queen-size quilts at Villa Megan are restored to maximum pristine cleanliness in machines far larger than the puny domestic versions.

If this is lockdown, I’ve definitely been doing it wrong. The place is buzzing, from grannies down to babies wandering the park, sitting under the bandstand and chit-chatting in groups. The cafes and gelati shop are doing a roaring trade.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 4:01 pm

Medical research shows dire need for kids to be included in vaccine rollout

why the blatant lies?

Alll you need to know about the ‘Medical Journal of Australia’:

In 2015, then editor-in-chief Stephen Leeder was suddenly removed after criticising the decision to outsource production of the journal to the global publishing giant Elsevier.[6] Leerder’s concerns revolved around an incident in 2009 when Elsevier accepted payments from pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. to publish journals such as the Australasian Journal of Bone & Joint Medicine, which had the appearance of peer-reviewed academic works but were in fact promoting Merck.[7][8][9][10] Following the decision to sack Leeder, all but one of the journal’s editorial advisory committee resigned and wrote to Australian Medical Association president Brian Owler asking him to review the decision.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:03 pm

Good find, twostix.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:06 pm
Zipster
September 8, 2021 4:07 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2021 4:07 pm

duncanmsays:
September 8, 2021 at 3:39 pm
hey ho – I’ve been invited to a virtual town-hall with my local member and Scotty.

Maybe my opinionated blast at the local member got some traction?

Anyone else?

We were a few weeks ago, but the meeting ( no prior notice) was in the middle of dinner.

Pollies or dinner? Not a hard choice.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 4:07 pm

One of two options in rape claims.
Didn’t happen or it was consensual.
And as she doesn’t have a ‘rape kit’ but merely a dubious memory I can’t see a beyond reasonable doubt, not even an irrelevant balance of probabilities.
No wonder some want the impossible onus to be on the alleged perpetrator to prove innocence.

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 4:10 pm

Small business in NSW are now pressured to impose mandatory vaccinations on their staff, as SafeWork NSW has made their position clear: https://selfemployedaustralia.com.au/nsw-gives-green-light-for-business-mandated-vaccinations-its-safe/

SafeWork NSW considers vaccination a high order risk control measure against disease.
Employers may require workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 if it is reasonably practicable
to do so. Whether it is reasonably practicable will depend on a variety of factors, including eligibility
for the vaccine, personal health, medical history, type of work, the risk of exposure, and the
availability of alternative control measures.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2021 4:10 pm

Sydney Morning Herald.

Brittany Higgins’ alleged assaulter may well be acquitted. What happens then?
Jenna Price
Jenna Price
Columnist and academic
September 8, 2021 — 9.59am

The first court appearance of Bruce Lehrmann, the man accused of the sexual assault of former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins, is Thursday week. The trial, most likely a jury trial in the ACT, won’t be until next year, April at the earliest.

In a better world, every accused and accuser would have the justice they deserve. Each of us deserves to be treated with fairness. Lehrmann absolutely denies he and Higgins had sexual intercourse. Higgins alleges she was raped.

Zipster
September 8, 2021 4:10 pm

Drug regulator considering if website in Craig Kelly text breaches Criminal Code

the bugmen are threatening Kelly over a copy of the tga adverse events report showing the number of deaths post vax.

apparently copying the tga’s own report is a criminal offence.

if only bugmen had dicks everyone would be forced on their knees

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 4:10 pm

Does the high court decision mean that media outlets either have to turn off comments on social media or protevt themselves by moderating them?

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:11 pm

Drug regulator considering if website in Craig Kelly text breaches Criminal Code

Ah yes, Triple J really cares about drug regulation…they are pole smoking sycophants of the most powerful leftist they can find. They don’t represent young people, they just brainwash young people.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:12 pm

the bugmen are threatening Kelly over a copy of the tga adverse events report showing the number of deaths post vax.

apparently copying the tga’s own report is a criminal offence.

if only bugmen had dicks everyone would be forced on their knees

Yes, you must spin the data the way we say.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 4:14 pm

Once the greatest generation’s remaining influence re probity was gone it was so easy to corrupt pip-squeak gimme-gimme-gimme Australia’s medical scientific ‘community’ that it’s almost embarrassing.

E.g before joining, one of the senior ‘Editors’ at the Medical Journal of Australia worked in sales and ‘marketing’ and KOL and influence management for two pharma companies for nearly ten years.

Quit MJA and joined the TGA very recently.

See how that all works?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:17 pm

There’s a knuckle head trying to popularise the term “door bridge boomers”.
Great term, you get the idea.
Pity the chap spruiking it.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 4:17 pm

What happens then?
Nothing, nor should it.
Without reflecting on any individual if you believe you have been sexually assaulted while unable to consent due to being intoxicated you need to preserve any physical evidence by taking yourself to the appropriate authorities as soon as possible.
The law can’t be expected to do everything because you chose to do nothing.
We aren’t going to put people in prison because someone says so, that’s not good enough, not in a civilised country. .

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:17 pm

SafeWork NSW considers vaccination a high order risk control measure against disease.
Employers may require workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 if it is reasonably practicable
to do so. Whether it is reasonably practicable will depend on a variety of factors, including eligibility
for the vaccine, personal health, medical history, type of work, the risk of exposure, and the
availability of alternative control measures.

How does Safe Work NSW get to see my medical history at all?

They have completely glossed over COVID 19 being a disease with a very high survival rate for young healthy people – most die in aged care and hospices, where they reside BEFORE contracting the disease – let alone comorbidities and that a high proportion of society has a high degree of natural immunity due to common factors with other mild respiratory diseases.

Furthermore, why or how can an employer unilaterally change a contract?

Tom
Tom
September 8, 2021 4:17 pm

The power-drunk Marxist thug has relented (paywall-free):

Lockdown will be lifted in all parts of regional Victoria except Shepparton from Friday, with some students to go back to school next week.

The five reasons to leave home will be removed from 11.59pm on Thursday night, and there will be no limit on the distance regional Victorians can travel.

However, they will not be allowed to enter Melbourne.

RTWT.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:26 pm

I do like the twitter feed that DB has set up on the right hand side of the page.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:32 pm

Any Cats watched The Sinner?
Bill Pullman detective show on Netflix.
Series one started great but turned stupid.
Series two started creepy & plot twist at the end was easily picked half way through the series.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:32 pm

door bridge boomers

What?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:34 pm

Boomers who got theirs & are now pulling the door bridge up so no one else gets the same opportunity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 4:35 pm

Ah.
I think that should be “draw bridge boomers”.
Where did that come from?

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:35 pm

They’ve already started to die off, Bern.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 4:36 pm

BDS.
Boomer Derangement Syndrome.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:36 pm

Sanchez is right.
I blame my poor spelling on Pfizer.

Zipster
September 8, 2021 4:38 pm

Does the high court decision mean that media outlets either have to turn off comments on social media or protevt themselves by moderating them?

yes to both

Arky
September 8, 2021 4:38 pm

They’ve already started to die off, Bern.

..
Not fucking quickly enough.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 4:39 pm

Not all Boomers want to stop opportunities for younger generations.
But the ones infected with this hard core green ideology certainly do.

Arky
September 8, 2021 4:43 pm

New boxing bag just came.
Taking the doggie for his walk then hanging the new bag. Which I’m naming “Dan”.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 4:43 pm

I watched “The Sinner”. Love Pullman – he’s been in so much cheesy stuff so it was good to watch him play that terribly flawed character.

Second one was let down by the script writers. These goats seem unable to write a good story.

Also, I see I have to knit up an arktokini. A necktie only just won’t cut it.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2021 4:43 pm

WA Labor:

Since 2017, wait times for emergency police services gone from 2.9 minutes to 13.6 minutes.

Just like the ambos.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:45 pm

Taking the doggie for his walk then hanging the new bag. Which I’m naming “Dan”.

Hopefully it is a very heavy floor to ceiling bag! PS get very strong metal chains, swivels, brackets & bolts.

twostix
twostix
September 8, 2021 4:46 pm

the risk of exposure,

Notice the sleight of hand here.

Risk of exposure to who?

To others they’ll say in the PR and let the media report, but to you, the employee, is what they’ll use to act upon.

I.e if you show them the inability of the medicine to prevent transmission, they’ll say it’s necessary for your safety, in line with OH&S obligations.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 4:46 pm

Jeez, Bitcoin has a really ugly move down over the past 24 hours.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 8, 2021 4:47 pm

Lysander

To add to that…

Persons of unmentionable ethnicity are now allowed to cut out fines etc by “community engagement”.
At a rate of $70 an hour.
Engagement can be nearly anything as long as it “supports” this particular group.

The mongs fail to realize the pain they will inflict on law abiding members of their group by allowing them to be victimized by their own scallywags.

Zipster
September 8, 2021 4:47 pm

bugmen are humourless snowflakes
Channel 7 Is Reportedly Investigating Georgia Love’s ‘Casually Racist’ Instagram Posts Fiasco
Earlier this week, Love posted a video of a cat sitting behind the glass doors of an Asian restaurant, with text asking if the cat was a “shop attendant or lunch?”. After it was shared by the anonymous Instagram account Aussie Influencer Opinions, Love apologised for the video, saying she “meant for this to be a joke about an animal being in a restaurant at lunch service” but realised it was “offensive”.

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 4:50 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 8, 2021 4:51 pm
C.L.
C.L.
September 8, 2021 4:52 pm

They have completely glossed over COVID 19 being a disease with a very high survival rate for young healthy people…

It has a very high survival rate for old unhealthy people.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 4:53 pm

Taking the doggie for his walk then hanging the new bag. Which I’m naming “Dan”.

Wow! This new gym equipment is amazing.

A punching bag and stairmaster in one!

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2021 4:53 pm

a great cover of a classic…

Fooled Around And Fell In Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87u5Sw553U4

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 4:58 pm

Wow! This new gym equipment is amazing.

A punching bag and stairmaster in one!

Gold madam, gold.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 8, 2021 5:05 pm

Earlier this week, Love posted a video of a cat sitting behind the glass doors of an Asian restaurant, with text asking if the cat was a “shop attendant or lunch?”

…saying she “meant for this to be a joke about an animal being in a restaurant at lunch service” but realised it was “offensive”

What a bunch of pussies.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 5:09 pm

DO NOT try to refute this piece by using that time worn non-argument that the NYTimes is just biased. We know that. I want to hear reasonable explanations, coated with decent information as to why David Leonhardt is wrong.

One in 5,000

The real chances of a breakthrough infection.

It’s also suspected the rate could be 1 in 10,000.

By David Leonhardt
Sept. 7, 2021
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The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people.

The news seemed to suggest that even the vaccinated were highly vulnerable to getting infected and passing the virus to others. Sure enough, stories about vaccinated people getting Covid — so-called breakthrough infections — were all around this summer: at a party in Provincetown, Mass.; among the Chicago Cubs; on Capitol Hill. Delta seemed as if it might be changing everything.

In recent weeks, however, more data has become available, and it suggests that the true picture is less alarming. Yes, Delta has increased the chances of getting Covid for almost everyone. But if you’re vaccinated, a Covid infection is still uncommon, and those high viral loads are not as worrisome as they initially sounded.

How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.

The estimates here are based on statistics from three places that have reported detailed data on Covid infections by vaccination status: Utah; Virginia; and King County, which includes Seattle, in Washington state. All three are consistent with the idea that about one in 5,000 vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid each day in recent weeks.

The chances are surely higher in the places with the worst Covid outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data shows, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)

Here’s one way to think about a one-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1 percent.

“There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what the risks really are to vaccinated people, and how vaccinated people should be thinking about their lives,” as Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University told my colleague Tara Parker-Pope. (I recommend Tara’s recent Q. and A. on breakthrough infections.)
Editors’ Picks

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:

Another way to understand the situation is to compare each state’s vaccination rate with its recent daily Covid infection rate. The infection rates in the least vaccinated states are about four times as high as in the most vaccinated states:

If the entire country had received shots at the same rate as the Northeast or California, the current Delta wave would be a small fraction of its current size. Delta is a problem. Vaccine hesitancy is a bigger problem.

These numbers help show why the talking point about viral loads was problematic. It was one of those statements that managed to be both true and misleading. Even when the size of the viral loads are similar, the virus behaves differently in the noses and throats of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

I will confess to one bit of hesitation about walking you through the data on breakthrough infections: It’s not clear how much we should be worrying about them. For the vaccinated, Covid resembles the flu and usually a mild one. Society does not grind to a halt over the flu.

In Britain, many people have become comfortable with the current Covid risks. The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine. Letting the virus continue to dominate life, on the other hand, has large costs.

“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh, told The Times.

Theater employees checking vaccination cards as people returned to Broadway last week.
Theater employees checking vaccination cards as people returned to Broadway last week.Credit…Jutharat Pinyodoonyachet for The New York Times

I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.

In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.

Delta really has changed the course of the pandemic. It is far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus and calls for precautions that were not necessary a couple of months ago, like wearing masks in some indoor situations.

But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 5:09 pm

On exclusion of the unclean and the ease with which it will be adopted, Adam Piggot has a post about it at his site (see sidebar).

A couple of reservations on my part, but he pretty much nails it.

The Beloved smoked for many years, finally giving it away twelve years ago. He became a social pariah, poor man. With the approval of just about everyone.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2021 5:14 pm

The Beloved smoked for many years, finally giving it away twelve years ago. He became a social pariah, poor man. With the approval of just about everyone.

The latest is the clamouring to exclude the un-vaxxed from treatment.
We have had this with fatsos, smokers, drinkers ,whatever, on and off for years.
But never this strident, and I can see Nurse Karens unilaterally enforcing it with no consequences.
What will sting the most is if Mr Pisspot with the Second Hand Liver Hinch joins the fray.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 5:18 pm

A Suggestionsays:
September 8, 2021 at 4:00 pm
Big earthquake in Acapulco 7.0

Not good.

M 7.0 – Acapulco, Mexico (USGS report)

Fortunately no tsunami though.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 5:19 pm

Well I liked that article JC.
Interesting that poms are ‘whatever’ but left leaning vaxxed in the US are still tearing their hair out; they need to get back to woeing about climate change.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 5:21 pm

Nurse Karens unilaterally

You mean the denizens of the landwhale station?

Lol! I can just see that pudgy, tim tam smeared finger wagging at me for my indiscretions!

cohenite
September 8, 2021 5:24 pm

Salty has another take on the fuck joe biden chant appearing every-where:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtpAVzNkQRk

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 5:25 pm

JC – I love how they make it seem so unlikely. Only 1 in 5000!!! Um, per day. So basically about the same as for anyone vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Nope, still the same NYT. Stop reading it JC it’ll rot your brain, and you’ll start to like eating tofu and wearing masks.

The Israeli data says basically the only thing the vaccination does is reduce the rate of hospitalization by half or three quarters. Which is good. But I am starting to suspect that ivermectin is actually better than the vaccines for the delta strain. And lambda, mu and nu are already spreading.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 5:28 pm

Rosie

I read heard the funniest podcast in a while this morning about gerbil warming. Those idiotic Brits (okay, they’re not alone) used more coal to make electricity this year than in previous ones because the wind hasn’t blown strongly enough this year. Interestingly, especially for the human dynamos peddling renew balls, there is great variation in wind velocity from year to year. I didn’t know this before.

This got me thinking, if every single climate event these days ( according to gerbilists) can be directly attributed to gerbil warming then why not the wind dying down. In fact, the gerbiling theory is that Co2 causes an evening out of global temps from the equator to the poles. That’s the very basic theory at least. If this is the case and there’s less climatic pressure causing the wind to die down, how the fuck are those propellers on sticks going to make any energy?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 5:29 pm

JC, my genuine view is that it’s too early to say.
One of the issues that I have had from day one is that people continually are so set in their views which is dangerous when setting public policy when the conditions are changing non-stop.
And those conditions are changing in part because of the public policy settings.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 8, 2021 5:31 pm

JCsays:
September 8, 2021 at 5:09 pm
DO NOT try to refute this piece by using that time worn non-argument that the NYTimes is just biased. We know that. I want to hear reasonable explanations, coated with decent information as to why David Leonhardt is wrong.
******
I’m always sceptical of articles which quote a lot of figures for the test group (here, lots of reassuring stats re the vaxxed) but don’t give the corresponding figures for the control group (just vague adjectives).
Not saying it’s bogus, or trying to hide anything – maybe it’s just that “journalism” has become such a sheltered workshop for woke mental defectives that no-one at NYT actually knows what probative value means.

rosie
rosie
September 8, 2021 5:33 pm

I don’t know JC. I guess that’s the consequences of abandoning modern technology for the vagaries of climate.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 5:34 pm

JC – I love how they make it seem so unlikely. Only 1 in 5000!!! Um, per day. So basically about the same as for anyone vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Fair point, Brucie, but I don’t think he’s suggesting what you’re pointing out. He obviously pointing to the potential of getting it once you’re exposed. Getting it and becoming very sick as well as passing it on.

I read the NYTimes for the simple reason that I want to see what the evil fuckers are saying. I piggyback off my kid’s subscription.

Brucie, let know if you want the ID and password to access the account. 🙂

C.L.
C.L.
September 8, 2021 5:35 pm

Does C.L. have a site, or blog or some such?
If so, where is it to be found.
Asking for a friend (of course)

I have indeed set up a blog. Monty generously posted a link to it when I thought it was squared away but I switched it off when I encountered some technical problems.

I was privileged to have a guest poster gig at Old Cat but would now like to let others enjoy that experience here at New Cat without adding to its busily diverse and interesting mix of voices.

Sinclair made it pretty clear to me that he didn’t want Old Cat to go on – which is why it was archived by the NLA and shut down. Since then, Dover, Monty and Adam have established their own Cats – for a while, in sync as a Meta Cat. Now the philosophical strands always evident at Old Cat have branched off into distinct sites.

I won’t be posting Open Forums. Am only interested in on-topic discussion or – if my posts are not of interest in that way – that’s fine.

Top post is ‘sticky’ (in WordPress parlance) because it is the most outrageous example of state terrorism currently threatening the very soul of what remains of this country’s freedom. That, if not my post about it, deserves a wider audience.

Anyway…

https://thecurrencylad.com/

miltonf
miltonf
September 8, 2021 5:36 pm

Mitchell and all the nine-3AW- fairfax turds can fuck off

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 5:39 pm

JC – Don’t need ’em. The paywall tends not to work for me. But on the other hand I only read very few NYT articles, mainly older ones coming up in searches. These days it is hopeless, especially after Bari Weiss got auto-da-fé’ed by the woke newsroom kiddies.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 5:41 pm

Thanks C.L. I’m glad you haven’t left the interwebs!

Now on my drive-by list.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 5:45 pm

I am sick of media outlets not being skeptical or at least inquisitive.
But they call it “access journalism”.
Write, broadcast what we want, then you keep the access we give you.
Step out of line, we’ll shut you off.
It’s so egregious.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 8, 2021 5:47 pm

Dr Faustussays:
September 8, 2021 at 2:23 pm
There’s a lot of businesses posting that they won’t discriminate between vax status customers. Don’t know how long it will last till FB shuts it down but there’s hope.

Unusually, Morrison is ahead of the curve on this one:

“A business under property law has the ability to say ‘no, you can’t come in’, and they can ask for that [proof of vaccination], that’s a legitimate thing for them to do, and they’re doing that to protect their own workers, to protect their other clients,” Morrison told 2GB radio…

Morrison’s statement of yesterday (above) may seem fine under property law but will it work with anti-discrimination legislation, both federal and state?

Last night I put up the link and the text to the NSW Anti-Discrimination Legislation on Infectious Diseases, which states that a person may not be discriminated against for having, may have, had, could have in the future, or if people think a person has, an infectious disease. Nor may that person’s friends, family etc be discriminated against.

In NSW (once the pandemic ends, which it will because there will be no more money left) the infectious disease clause in the anti-discrimination legislation would say that such discrimination is illegal (other jurisdictions have similar clauses to NSW -see QLD as an example). Post pandemic, anti-discrimination legislation should mean that business would be unsure to take the PM’s bait and deny entry and service to the unvaccinated.

But what of the Commonwealth? At the federal level, does anti-discrimination legislation undo the Prime Minister’s eagerness to “wash his hands,” like Pilate, of the outcome of any claims of discrimination made by individuals against business for relying on property law to discriminate?

On the Australian Human Rights Commission website is the following:

Disability discrimination occurs when a person is treated less favourably, or not given the same opportunities as others in a similar situation because of their disability.

The Disability Discrimination Act 1992 (DDA) makes it unlawful to discriminate against a person, in many areas of public life, including employment, education, getting or using services, renting or buying a house or unit, and accessing public places, because of their disability.

The DDA covers people who have temporary and permanent disabilities; physical, intellectual, sensory, neurological, learning and psychosocial disabilities, diseases or illnesses, physical disfigurement, medical conditions, and work-related injuries.

It extends to disabilities that people have had in the past and potential future disabilities, as well as disabilities that people are assumed to have.

The Anti-Discrimination Act 1991 makes it unlawful to discriminate against a person because of their impairment.

What is impairment discrimination?
The definition of impairment is very broad, and includes many types of disability, such as:

physical: including the total or partial loss of a person’s bodily functions; the malfunction, malformation or disfigurement of a part of a person’s body;
psychiatric: including mental illnesses; depression; anxiety; schizophrenia; bipolar disorder; anorexia;
sensory: including visual impairment and blindness; hearing impairment and deafness;
impairments related to the presence in the body of organisms capable of causing illness or disease, such as hepatitis, AIDS and HIV positivity

Direct and indirect discrimination
Direct disability discrimination happens when a person with a disability is treated less favourably than a person
without that disability in the same or similar circumstances.
Indirect discrimination can be less obvious. It can happen when employers or service providers put in place conditions, requirements or practices that appear to treat everyone the same but which actually disadvantage some people because of their disability.
It will be discriminatory if a requirement or condition:
• applies to everyone, but because of their disability the person is not able to comply or, although able to comply, would suffer serious disadvantage by doing so, and
• the requirement or condition disadvantages a person because of their disability, and
• it is unreasonable in all of the circumstances.

underline>Customer:
The DDA makes it unlawful to discriminate in the provision of goods and services, such as banking and
insurance services; services provided by government departments; transport or telecommunication services; professional services, such as those provided by lawyers, doctors or tradespeople; and services provided by restaurants, shops or entertainment venues.

This means that it is against the law for a business to discriminate against a person by:
• refusing to provide another person with goods, services and facilities
• providing them with goods, services and facilities on less favourable terms and conditions, or
• providing the goods, services and facilities in an unfair manner because they have a disability.

Access to premises and other public spaces

The DDA states that places used by the public must be accessible to people with a disability. Places used by the public include but are not limited to:
• shops and department stores
• banks, credit unions and building societies
• cafes, restaurants and pubs
• theatres and other places of entertainment
• lawyers’ offices and legal services
• dentists’ and doctors’ surgeries
• hairdressers and beauty salons
• travel agents, and
• government-run services.
This applies to existing places as well as places under construction. To comply with the DDA, existing places may need to be modified to be accessible, except where this would involve unjustifiable hardship. This means that every area and facility open to the public should be open and available to people with a disability. They should expect to enter and make use of places used by the public if people without a disability can do so.

Despite my lack of legal training (I wish I had an emoji for a hired wig and gown), I think the PM’s property law strategy to make it reasonable for business to discriminate against the unvaccinated would be in a bit of a bind. Moreover, what really is despicable is that he must know this.

https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/employers/disability-discrimination

https://humanrights.gov.au/sites/default/files/GPGB_disability_discrimination.pdf

https://antidiscrimination.nsw.gov.au/anti-discrimination-nsw/discrimination/types-of-discrimination/infectious-diseases-discrimination.html

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 5:48 pm

LOl Brucie. As though I would’ve expected any other answer from you.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2021 5:51 pm

“C.L.says:
September 8, 2021 at 5:35 pm”

Thanks C.L…..I have bookmarked your site.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 5:52 pm

Ahahah! I’ve commented on C.L.’s blog.

Was I….first? 😀

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2021 5:53 pm

JC, be fair, the data quoted in the NYT isn’t perfect.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 5:53 pm

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:

He’s noted it, has he?

Great. Show us the data.

johanna
johanna
September 8, 2021 5:53 pm

Why aren’t the social media who enabled the comments the targets here?

What am I missing?

Sure, they have protection in the US, but why are they not being sued here?

Could it be that they are hard targets and others are softer ones, lacking unlimited funds for the best lawyers (and who knows what else) that money can buy?

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 5:56 pm

Dover, if you’re lurking, could you put C.L.’s link up in the Blogroll?

Ta.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2021 5:56 pm

JC – I was amused that Surber on Monday said NYT is “occasionally reliable”. More than I’d grant myself, but then he’s an old style veteran newspaperman, so there’s that. On the other hand if it is only occasionally reliable it also means it usually isn’t.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 8, 2021 5:56 pm

Now on my drive-by list

+1

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 5:58 pm

Bern

Fair enough. I thought it was an interesting piece and that’s why I posted it.

A counter to your comment though, is that this is 2021 and over the past two years, we’ve found nearly all data to be fucking useless because most of it is crap.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 6:00 pm

Brucie:

I wouldn’t disagree with Stuber’s reading. I’d say that a lot of stuff reported in the cappy leftwing rag would be reasonably accurate …AS LONG AS IT DOESN’T speak against its ideological underpinnings.

JC
JC
September 8, 2021 6:01 pm

crappy

miltonf
miltonf
September 8, 2021 6:06 pm

Does the AOC slag really believe the muck she spews out or is she some frakenbot created by Manhattan marxists?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2021 6:07 pm

Sorry, Doomlord – clicked on the wrong link..

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 6:08 pm

An interesting article from the NYT, JC.

This interested me, obviously because I’m unvaccinated and have to wait until all the younger Pfizer cohort have their second shot before I’ll be considered:

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

What if a person has spent a lot of time and trouble (lifestyle, exercise etc) building up their immune system? Shouldn’t it trigger a response to the virus akin to a relatively unhealthy vaccinated person?

The reason I ask is because I see so many people of my age indulging in unhealthy lifestyle choices and constantly popping pills (blood pressure, cholesterol for example) and believing that they can continue on regardless because the pills make them a-okay.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2021 6:08 pm

The Memeology 101/2 guy hates Dan Andrews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qHaeLO4RZg

miltonf
miltonf
September 8, 2021 6:09 pm

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau derided Canadians who protested against him at a campaign stop in Newmarket, ON, lashing out at what he called “anti-vaxxer mobs” who are “racist,” “mysoginistic, and “don’t believe in science.”

Fuck off you piece of shit- with parents like yours you wouldn’t be anything else.

calli
calli
September 8, 2021 6:12 pm

Thanks Dover. Frees up my “Bookmark” page for the really important stuff.

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