Open Thread – Weekend 11 Sept 2021


A Lion attacking a Horse, George Stubbs, 1765

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Gabor
Gabor
September 11, 2021 8:19 pm

Emojis, yes?
????

Gabor
Gabor
September 11, 2021 8:19 pm

no

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 11, 2021 8:21 pm

areff,
Foot-a-scray so far doing very well!

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2021 8:22 pm

Oh, the Cranberries, Rabz.
Ah, poor girl Dolores.

132andBush
132andBush
September 11, 2021 8:23 pm

It doesn’t snow here head prefect; and look what you get for 2.7 mill:

Squash Courts?!

Arky
September 11, 2021 8:23 pm

DrBeauGansays:
September 11, 2021 at 8:06 pm
Case Study.
…she had dobbed in the grandson of her elderly next door neighbour for not doing home quarantine …

What’s depressing is that we have lived among such appalling shits and not recognised them

..
I’ve been telling everyone on here for over seven years that everything is shit.
You made fun of me for it. I’d say “This is shit. That is shit. This person over here who you think is OK, he’s really shit. That thing you like, you only like it because you are yet to see all the shit behind it. Blah, blah, blah”. And you all went “Oh, Arky, with your cute little schtick about everything being shit”.
I’ve explained over and over again how deep in the shit we are, how horrible human nature is and how we’re surrounded by evil morons.
Only now, too late, do you start to see the truth.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
September 11, 2021 8:29 pm

Everything is Arky, Arky.

All you can do is alternate the rage with laughing at how shit the shits shitting on shit are.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2021 8:30 pm

Dunno if anyone called your little schtick ‘cute’ Arky.

Rabz
September 11, 2021 8:30 pm

Bluddee hell – that Wolf Alice goil is hotter than Kate and Stevie combined – just watch the first five minutes of this clip … I’d like to take you out … 😕

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2021 8:30 pm

err, super hot goils

Maggie Reilly! (And a few twiddly bits from Mike Oldfield.)

Five Miles Out

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2021 8:33 pm

that Wolf Alice goil is hotter than Kate and Stevie combined

She is rather. Reminds me of the Viking lass I linked a story about this morning.
Maggie Reilly though is a ranga.
Which is nice.

Zipster
Zipster
September 11, 2021 8:37 pm

Interesting story, the MIL who is OS got the ccp virus, was tested positive ended up in hospital, hit pretty hard. pulled through. shortly after being released tested positive for antibodies. six months later tested negative for antibodies and was made to have the vax.

I find it difficult to believe natural immunity wanes after 6 months, looks more like the antibody tests don’t work long term.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2021 8:39 pm

The Wolf Alice lady has a similar style and voice to this amazing lady, although she’s taller.

Rapture

The single has not aged at all in thirty years. Superb.

Twostix
Twostix
September 11, 2021 8:50 pm

I see providence and the times has delivered us our very own Joan of Arc.

Go Calli.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 11, 2021 8:55 pm

Hide your cars.
The Port ferals will be keying anything that’s parked.

areff
areff
September 11, 2021 9:00 pm

Two more quarters, BBS, and we get to replay the 1954 grand final, when Melbourne came in hot favourites and Foot-a-scray doubled their score.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 11, 2021 9:13 pm

Areff, with respect… fan loyalty transfer aside,
Western Bulldogs are not Footscray.
Sydney are not South Melbourne.
The VFL was not, and obviously is not now, the AFL.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 11, 2021 9:15 pm

And the 2020 premiership will always have an asterisk next to it in my mind.

shatterzzz
September 11, 2021 9:16 pm

shatterzzz
You still haven’t answered mee question, Squire – are you or are you not a supporter of the Maggies?

You must have missed it! .. short answer your born black & white .. choice doesn’t come into it!
Tho supporter may be an overreach these days .. addicted to the misery that is Toon might be more appropriate …….. LOL!

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
September 11, 2021 9:18 pm

Hotter than Kate..

I have a strong opinion on that statement
https://tenor.com/view/40k-heresy-astartes-warhammer40k-gif-16772290

Twostix
Twostix
September 11, 2021 9:19 pm

Men are getting a little left behind in the covid wars at this moment.

Mums and girls are firing up.

Start getting in shape fags this could be an epic moment in our history.

Rabz
September 11, 2021 9:26 pm

short answer you’re born black & white

Good Stuff, shatterzzzz 🙂

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 9:33 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2021 9:51 pm

A Bulldogs v Dees grand final.

As I only dared to dream.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 11, 2021 9:58 pm

Fart inhaling smug once again brings the Principality of Adelaide undone.
Niiice!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2021 10:15 pm

Farmer Gezsays:

September 11, 2021 at 9:58 pm

Fart inhaling smug once again brings the Principality of Adelaide undone.
Niiice!

I don’t mind the coach and most of the players.
But I do detest President Koch-head.

Rabz
September 11, 2021 10:15 pm

Kate is Kate is Kate.

Brunettes. They are the Best. 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2021 10:32 pm

Sorry that your dad has had a bad run with his health lately, Calli. Auto-immune things and allergies can kick in at his advanced age quite badly in the normal course of events and it would be hard to pinpoint his condition as due to the AZ, although of course suspicions are aroused. Bullous Pemphigoid, btw, is not rare, there are over half a million cases yearly in Australia, mostly in old people. Grover’s Disease as you probably know is quite rare, made worse by sun damage and older age. Combined with his new gout and it all happening so quickly no wonder you are worried about him. And then your daughter’s reactive arthritis. Maybe there is a genetic element to these reactions that is activated by the AZ. Hard to say. Can you get a proper medical opinion on it all to help set your mind at rest one way or the other?

I hope they both recover well. I know you don’t want to take any of the available vaxx and nor should you be pressured into doing so. I am having my second AZ next Tuesday, Hairy has sailed through both of his in spite of numerous co-morbidities and blood issues. It would be nice to have a vaxx without these underlying worries, but we don’t have one yet. I definitely don’t want to get Covid. A report in the Weekend Australian magazine about a middle-aged reporter and her family who couldn’t get a vaxx there, got Covid badly, and had to be airlifted to Australia, has reinforced me in my decision about taking the AZ. Bad Covid sounds a lot worse that most things that the AZ can throw up to someone in my age group. So I am trying to keep a personal perspective on it all.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2021 10:37 pm

Aspirational goal:

Treloar kicks ten in the GF, including one after the siren to win it.

As part of his prepared remarks, says ‘Fuck you McGuire, and fuck you Buckley. Collingwood, keep paying me $300K a year’ in his presser.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2021 10:41 pm

The reporter was in Indonesia. The account of the recent Delta epidemic there was first hand and very interesting. And rather concerning for the unvaxxed populations. People were desperate for vaccines, and I thought of all the AZ sitting unused in fridges in Australia because people wouldn’t use it. We should have shipped some over.

srr
srr
September 11, 2021 10:47 pm

Catholicus Romanus ? @CatholicusRoman 4h
Roman Catholics
https://gab.com/CatholicusRoman/posts/106911980434385895
Mel Gibson endorses Abp. Viganò’s remarks on Vatican II, says ‘sickness afflicts’ the Church
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/739932/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=usa
Gibson made his comments via a video message that was aired during the Coalition for Canceled Priests prayer rally in Chicago.

Famed Catholic film director Mel Gibson has come out in support of the views taken by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò regarding the crisis in the Catholic Church.

Gibson, who directed The Passion of the Christ – and is currently working on its sequel The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection – made his remarks during a pre-recorded video message that was played during the “Rally and Rosary of Reparation” event today hosted by the Coalition for Canceled Priests in Lincoln Park, Chicago.

The rally was organized after pro-LGBT Cardinal Blase Cupich allowed pro-abortion Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, a non-Catholic lesbian in a same-sex “marriage,” to receive Holy Communion at a funeral Mass last month.

Catholic doctrine holds that not only are non-Catholics not able to receive the Eucharist, any Catholic who is in a state of moral sin and has not gone to Confession and repented of his or her sins is not to receive the Body and Blood of Christ at Mass.

srr
srr
September 11, 2021 10:52 pm


In ‘rupture’ with Church’s ‘absolute opposition’ to abortion, Vatican hosting pro-aborts at pro-COVID jab conference

The conference, run by the Pontifical Academy for Life, features prominent directors of global medical associations, who have publicly expressed their support for abortion and LGBT issues.

[…] due to its promotion of the abortion-tainted injections, as well as hosting numerous abortion supporters, the conference has been described by the U.K.’s Deacon Donnelly as “the Vatican…signalling to the world that it no longer opposes, in any meaningful way, the murder of babies through abortion.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/in-rupture-with-churchs-absolute-opposition-to-abortion-vatican-hosting-pro-aborts-at-pro-covid-jab-conference/

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2021 10:55 pm

Brunettes. They are the Best. ?

But blondes have more fun!! Personal viewpoint of course. 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2021 10:57 pm

Chief Minister of the ACT disses the idea of a vaxx passport. It won’t be operable as it is too open to manipulation and fraud and it won’t work anyway, because the vaxxed can also transmit Covid.

It’s a dead in the water idea, as anyone with any sense can see, so all kudos to him.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2021 10:58 pm

Indolent says:
September 11, 2021 at 7:30 pm

Thanks for that. I’ve missed the previous links to the ‘eff-off’ form.

Dot
Dot
September 11, 2021 11:03 pm

Funnily enough, I always thought apples made me feel better with a cold, along with some orange juice.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01451/full

REVIEW article
Front. Immunol., 19 June 2020 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01451

Quercetin and Vitamin C: An Experimental, Synergistic Therapy for the Prevention and Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Related Disease (COVID-19)

Ruben Manuel Luciano Colunga Biancatelli1,2,3*, Max Berrill4, John D. Catravas1,2,5 and Paul E. Marik1
1Division of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA, United States
2Frank Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, United States
3Policlinico Umberto I, La Sapienza University of Rome, Rome, Italy
4Department of Respiratory Medicine, St. Peter’s Hospital, Surrey, United Kingdom
5School of Medical Diagnostic & Translational Sciences, College of Health Sciences, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, United States

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) represents an emergent global threat which is straining worldwide healthcare capacity. As of May 27th, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) has resulted in more than 340,000 deaths worldwide, with 100,000 deaths in the US alone. It is imperative to study and develop pharmacological treatments suitable for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Ascorbic acid is a crucial vitamin necessary for the correct functioning of the immune system. It plays a role in stress response and has shown promising results when administered to the critically ill. Quercetin is a well-known flavonoid whose antiviral properties have been investigated in numerous studies. There is evidence that vitamin C and quercetin co-administration exerts a synergistic antiviral action due to overlapping antiviral and immunomodulatory properties and the capacity of ascorbate to recycle quercetin, increasing its efficacy. Safe, cheap interventions which have a sound biological rationale should be prioritized for experimental use in the current context of a global health pandemic. We present the current evidence for the use of vitamin C and quercetin both for prophylaxis in high-risk populations and for the treatment of COVID-19 patients as an adjunct to promising pharmacological agents such as Remdesivir or convalescent plasma.

Introduction
It is serendipitous (or perhaps indicative of hard work) that the Nobel prize winner Szent-Gyorgyi discovered both ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and the flavonoid quercetin (at the time labeled vitamin P)(1). Ascorbic acid is an essential vitamin with known antiviral properties (2) which is under investigation for its beneficial effects during the stress response in sepsis and critically ill patients (3).

Vitamin C exerts its antiviral properties by supporting lymphocyte activity, increasing interferon-? production, modulating cytokines, reducing inflammation, improving endothelial dysfunction, and restoring mitochondrial function (4–6). There are also suggestions that vitamin C may be directly viricidal (7). These in vitro effects, as we previously discussed (2), constitute a reflection of both the supra-physiological concentrations of ascorbate and the interaction between vitamin C and metal-containing culture media—both of which are pro-oxidant, generating reactive oxygen species.

Quercetin (also known as 3,3?,4?5,7-pentahydroxyflavone) is a widely distributed plant flavonoid, found in several vegetables, leaves, seeds, and grains, where it is conjugated with residual sugars to form quercetin glycosides (8). Studies suggest that quercetin supplementation may promote antioxidant (9), anti-inflammatory, antiviral (10), and immunoprotective effects (11). Quercetin has been studied in various types and models of viral infection due to its promising antiviral effects in inhibiting polymerases (12), proteases (13), reverse transcriptase (14), suppressing DNA gyrase, and binding viral capsid proteins (15, 16).

In this review we collate the evidence of the antiviral properties of quercetin, describe its biologic action and pharmacokinetics profile, expand on our previous review of vitamin C, discuss their synergistic actions, and propose this experimental multi-drug approach for the prevention and treatment of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 pandemic.

Both quercetin & vitamin C can be found andd supplemented in one’s diet very easily and affordably.

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:07 pm

We should have shipped some over.

I have a brioche recipe, if that helps

if not, perhaps Lizzie could forego a booster to help a nation in need

Bruce in WA
September 11, 2021 11:09 pm

Just thinking how no-one can really see what makes “us” us. Not children, not parents, not even our partners. I’ve said before, sometimes the black dog likes to pay me a visit … nowhere near as much now as in the past, but he still bites occasionally. My self-worth was in the pits then and even now I tend to look more at my failures than my strengths.

This song inspired me so often in the past, and it still helps me today. Sure, it’s cheesy, but it’s the message that helps.

And always remember … one in Kate Bush is worth two in the hand!

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
September 11, 2021 11:11 pm

I’m beginning to sense people are nearly past the “ grumpy but complying” stage of this near 2 year farce.

I know I’m well past keeping my opinion on government fiat cancelling normal life quiet.
I’m also of the opinion seeing pollies pelted with rubbish when they are I’m public around now would be a good thing.
It might save some of them from real violence when some poor sod who’s lost everything decides just suicide won’t cut it.

John H.
John H.
September 11, 2021 11:15 pm

Both quercetin & vitamin C can be found andd supplemented in one’s diet very easily and affordably.

I’m not confident about quercetin supplements. Very poor absorption. If I was going to take it I’d use this:

Natural Factors, Quercetin LipoMicel Matrix, 60 Liquid Softgels

Rabz
September 11, 2021 11:26 pm
Rabz
September 11, 2021 11:30 pm

Stolen from us

Not happee! 🙁

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:31 pm
MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:49 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2021 11:50 pm

I’m beginning to sense people are nearly past the “ grumpy but complying” stage of this near 2 year farce.

Yes, see my comment earlier re the harbour beaches today. It was party time.

People don’t take chairs and esky’s to the beach if they are going there just to ‘exercise’.
This is a delibate flouting of ‘the rules’ and by so many people it would be hard to pick on just one.

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:52 pm
MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:55 pm
MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:56 pm
MatrixTransform
September 11, 2021 11:57 pm
MatrixTransform
September 12, 2021 12:05 am
MatrixTransform
September 12, 2021 12:07 am
FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 12:34 am

Muddy says:
September 11, 2021 at 6:38 pm

smack the old bitch and walk away

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2021 12:54 am
Armadillo
Armadillo
September 12, 2021 12:56 am

I’ve had an interesting day.

Been to a few pubs and clubs. Had a few arguments with good mates that “lockdown syndrome” has scrambled their brains. COVID seems to be a “hot issue”. Got called an “anti vaxer” at one stage, and accused of possibly endangering the life of some dudes 95 year old father in a nursing home in Sydney.

Here’s a tip.

Tell everyone you are double vaccinated, and start pontificating.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 1:22 am

Nah

Tell them you got paid US$10million to get the jab…

didn’t everyone?

After all you are part of a so called scientific experiment.

I know for a fact I was infected with wuflu in February 2020.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 2:06 am

does any other Australian know they have been infected?????

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 2:14 am

and infected with what????

the PRC test is admitted to be a heap of crap.

I want to see the PM and Premiers with prc sticks up their arse on their ABC.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 12, 2021 2:48 am

These people are hypocrites. Once you understand that, life becomes much clearer.

You use their own technology against them. Your phone is your gun. We are all armed, we just don’t know it.

Aussie Cossack is a good example.

#filmwithme

Film is both is the lefts strength, but it’s also their kryptonite.

Very few people like being filmed. Most shy away from it. The majority in fact. Hence with bloggers. Same deal, but in reverse.

The smart people are behind the camera, not in front of it.

The bagmen aren’t to be trusted.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 2:49 am

It’s a National Cabinet of Deviates.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 12, 2021 2:54 am

You pretty much have to be a narcissist to be on TV.

There are very few exceptions to that rule.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 2:56 am

Does The Australian National Cabinet have pizza on the couch??????

where is their ABcess???

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 3:01 am

Cannot wait to find out from their ATO that the Australian Unvaxxed are full on smugglers and taxation criminals.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 3:04 am

who would give taxation money to these xunts, ever????

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 12, 2021 3:07 am

Look at most of the “journalists” on TV, and actors in movies. Or all the people in advertisements.

They aren’t employed for their brains. They don’t write the scripts themselves.

#harveyweinstein

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 3:13 am

Cannot wait to find out which overseas filth organizations pump their fortunes into fact fucked Australian NGO’s represented by the Australian Uni-Party crap, including false SFF which is a full on Labor/Democrat trap.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 3:24 am

hey you American fact fucked Foundations who impose your shit.

give me US$ 10 million to look after my family and I will take your jab.

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2021 4:01 am
FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 4:23 am

nah Tom…

cannot stand powelineblog.com

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 12, 2021 4:24 am

powelineblog.com

kill cops

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 12, 2021 5:41 am

The Form IM017 was discussed here several times and I think many people did complete and return it. I certainly did. It’s good to have confirmation from Greg Hunt that it does prevent sharing of that information.

There is a disclaimer in the privacy notice. Watch them change the law to override your wishes.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 6:33 am

Can you get a proper medical opinion on it all to help set your mind at rest one way or the other?

Lizzie, with all due respect, you’ve got to be kidding.

Firstly, his doctor did not know what his condition was and sent him off to a specialist after months of ummming and ah-ing. So much for “quite common”, especially here where the age demographic is elderly. He even called a number of doctors from the practice in for an opinion.

This was the first face-to-face that was offered for a long time because lockdown and stretching of resources as a vaccination centre. An ironic double-whammy for those made unwell by the very thing set up to “protect” them.

Secondly, I get that you would like to think the AZ had nothing to do with it. I won’t expand further on this aspect – your body your choice.

Thirdly, I have learned in my sixty five years that most people’s lives and experiences are not analogous to my own.

What happened to my father and my daughter within days for one and hours for the other after the AZ inoculation – probably won’t be known this side of heaven. I will leave it to the doctor of their souls to make a reckoning. His list grows long.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 6:49 am
rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 6:51 am
johanna
johanna
September 12, 2021 6:58 am

calli, just catching up and was horrified to read about what has happened to your family members, especially your father. My deepest sympathies and profound hope that things improve soon, for all of you.

One thing that has always bothered me about the rush to jab the elderly is that they are almost all on a cocktail of drugs for various conditions, and the interactions between the other medications and the various jabs are completely unknown.

To me, this kind of live human testing is totally unethical.

Reading your story, I wondered also about maree, whose husband became very ill after receiving the AZ jab. We have not heard from her for a while. Does anyone know how she and her husband are doing?

What a terrible toll of human misery these power drunk politicians, bureaucrats and police are inflicting on their fellow Australians, apparently without a moment of the kind of doubt that anyone making such decisions ought to experience. To me, the lack of doubt and compassion is the most disturbing aspect of this whole debacle.

P
P
September 12, 2021 6:59 am

The Better Option
September 11, 2021 | Sundance

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 7:00 am

Ahahahaha! Yep

Ditto

Thanks Tom.

The political ones are getting a bit sad. It’s like parading the inmates from the asylum for our entertainment.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 7:03 am
rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 7:05 am
rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 7:13 am

I think the Colonel said on discocats the better comparison is not your normal health to the vaccine reaction but your future covid reaction to the vaccine reaction but for about all of us that is the big unknown.
But that doesn’t make it any easier when that reaction is the worst.
We are all playing the percentages as covid works it’s way through the community and hoping our decision was the right one.
Time will tell.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 7:15 am

Joh, MareeS is on my mind…a lot.

I know a lot of elderly here, many of them friends through church and my stitch and bitch club, where I am on the younger end of the age group. Pretty much all of them have had their vax, no real side effects.

The trouble is that in the age bracket it’s hard to be sure whether a stroke or a heart attack or any of the other usual things can be attributed to the shots or not – these are old people and old people get sick. As you point out, most are already being treated for one chronic ailment or another. Dad certainly was. Cholesterol, blood pressure being the two biggies.

As I mentioned up thread, these endless lockdowns and the strain on medical practices are stopping people from getting proper treatment when it’s needed, just adding to the uncertainty and misery.

On a brighter note, I’ll go visit him today. I’ve baked him a cake.

sfw
sfw
September 12, 2021 7:15 am

Bruce, that Peter Gabriel/Kate Bush song has kept me going many times over the years, just listened to it the other day. These times are really getting me down. I’m losing interest in almost everything. Beautiful days aren’t really beautiful, there’s still some snow but I can’t be bothered, trout season began last week and I live a hundred metres from one of Australia’s finest streams and haven’t even looked at my rods. I’ll keep going as there’s still people reliant on me, however when they’re all independent I really don’t know why I’d persevere. Life under the diktators just gets blacker all the time. So I keep working to bring what money I can get in.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 7:24 am

Rest your head
You worry too much
It’s going to be alright
When times get rough
You can fall back on us
Don’t give up
Please don’t give up

Here’s another from the old Carthusian. My favourite.

And now you’ve convinced me to put in Wind and Wuthering while I rev up the sewing machine.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 7:38 am

Sfw
Go fishing for those of us who cannot.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 7:41 am

Zippy posted a live stream of an anti covid measures protest in Austria up on discord.

Quite a few protestors. One police officer, not in riot gear.

Bons
September 12, 2021 7:43 am

For those of an ag bent.
The neighbour and I took a risk that the current dry spell would put an end to the invasion of slimy French delacies that have been chomping their way through our crop.
Wrong choice. The residual moisture is so great that the slimeballs are still breeding like – – er, snails. We have to get rid of them before harvest obviously.
For the first time we called in a Croppie. I’m now an enthusiastic fan. 75 minutes of billable air time, no crop damage, slimeballs frothing up and dying.
But here is the kicker. The bates that we dropped are fully approved obviously, but we had to get an additional approval from the local Teachers Union (Shire Council) before baiting. Completely illegal on their part but since the amalgamations these rural shire councils make Biden’s fascists look like play school.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2021 7:43 am

Health Hazzard’s hope that we’ll open up after 70% is reached is going to last about about a microsecond.

UK Covid deaths soar by 30% in days as fears of new lockdown explode (Express, 11 Sep)

As of writing, 89 percent of the population over the age of 16 have received a first dose of a coronavirus vaccine, while almost 80.8 percent have had both doses.

It comes as reports suggested the UK could re-enter lockdown in October to curb hospitalisations.

A senior member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) warned there are plans for an October “firebreak” lockdown should hospitalisations threaten to overload the NHS.

The scientist stated the UK is about to enter “an extended peak” of infections and hospitalisations, which could see the UK re-enter restrictions during the October school half term.

However, Downing Street has denied this.

The white coat class are going to hammer and hammer and hammer on this until the pollies give in. Clear as crystal.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
September 12, 2021 7:50 am

October “firebreak” lockdown

Just like Victoria’s 5 day short sharp lockdown. Entering week 7 with no end in sight. Trust in Government is broken.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 7:53 am

What’s happening to Republicans now also should, but won’t be, an object lesson to all the triumphalist armchair Stalins watching MSNBC this weekend who can’t wait to unleash the hounds of state on vaccine holdouts, insurrectionists and other pests. When it comes to authoritarian politics, if you make the bed, you’d better be prepared to lie in it yourself. Because sooner or later, you will, and unless you had principled objections throughout, no one will shed a tear when it happens.

The last paragraph of Taibbi’s column today.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2021 7:53 am

these are old people and old people get sick.
Well said .. I’ve 4 WOKE kids who spend far too much time harping on at me to get jabbed but get all ..
Don’t talk like that, Dad .. when I use the … this is what happens when you get old … argument ..
There is a reason why nursing homes are full of old folk ….. and it’s NOT the high recovery rate …!

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 7:55 am

Taibbi is parroting what Dave Smith said at the Libertarian Party conference.
Conservatives only have themselves to blame for the FBI over reach locking up Jan 6th participants.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 12, 2021 7:58 am

Shut the border lockdown states are a fail on the vaccination solution.
Gladys has recently lost her mind but initial sensible humane treatment of the citizens helps not hinders.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccinations-age-band-low

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 8:01 am

I’ll keep going as there’s still people reliant on me, however when they’re all independent I really don’t know why I’d persevere. Life under the diktators just gets blacker all the time. So I keep working to bring what money I can get in.

Come on now, sfw, the people reliant on you love you now and will love you later too. Think of how they would feel if you decided to let that Black Dog bark too loudly one day. Get that rod and go and catch a fish. Just for all of us here. We want to hear exactly how you did it, what lures and what results. I know that areff is a keen fisherman and there are many other Cats who throw in a line.

If ever you want another sort of line, a lifeline, just shout out. Plenty of help here and elsewhere.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 8:02 am

Taibbi does make some glaring omissions.
The biggest one at the moment is that he has told people that he’s been vaccinated & that everyone should after they speak with their doctor.
Here’s the thing.
Taibbi was a bit quiet for a week only really popping back up when outcome of the fake ISIS-K drone strike broke.
He then said on his twitter & substack that he’d been sick for about a week.
Who knows what Taibbi was sick from.
But if you’re holding yourself up as the gold standard in journalism & vaccines/COVID are such hot issues, and you tell people to get vaccinated, you should be honest with your audience.

struth
struth
September 12, 2021 8:03 am

Canadians are finding out that their death rate has increased due to the Trudeau euthanasia laws , not from Covid.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2021 8:03 am

The road to release .. BAT FLU style …
Jab #1 .. well dun, sir/madam .. text msg from RUBY …
Jab#2 .. Signed pix of GLADYS/STAIRMAN DAN/ PALLETCHOOK (as appropriate)
Booster #1 .. signed pix of BRADBURY …
Booster #6 .. set of FREE steak knives …
Booster 10 .. 1st DSP deposit into bank account…

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 12, 2021 8:04 am

Zipster, I found what you said very interesting. Why do people get colds repeatedly? Supposedly, after the childhood blitz of upper respiratory infections, by adulthood we should all be pretty much immune to all the cold viruses. But in my case, no, I still get a cold now and again, as do others. How come? I would say because the body doesn’t always maintain immunity to every single antigen (or cold virus) it comes up against in perpetuity. It produces antibodies for a while, but stops after the antigen challenge goes away. This is especially true for some viruses like Covid 19, I think. In the case of your MIL, her antibody testing was quite accurate. If we want to have antibodies to the virus in our system all the time, then repeated constant vaccination will be necessary. I saw during the past week a proposal to put Covid into the annual flu-vax mix, so we can have one jab for a whole lot viruses. An eternal income per person per year ( even twice a year for the zealous) for the vaccine producers. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2021 8:05 am

Armadillosays:
September 12, 2021 at 3:07 am
Look at most of the “journalists” on TV

Leaving aside the old hags who have been there forever (Hello Lisa Wilkinson), modern female TV journos are recruited exclusively from the YFP demographic.

Young, female, photogenic. Brains not essential.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 8:06 am

sfw, don’t let the political bastards drag you down. They can’t take away all your joys, no matter how hard they try. Have some comfort too that there are so many people pushing back now against their excessive intrusions into our daily activities. Change is coming. The darkest hour, as they say, is just before dawn. Look at history: be a survivor.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 8:07 am

Welcome to wanker cat st ruth

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2021 8:08 am

rosiesays:
September 12, 2021 at 6:51 am
ato not pursuing $180 million in jobkeeper. Pocket change.

But sooling Robodebt on welfare recipients overpaid a few hundred dollars was essential for budget integrity?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 8:11 am

I saw during the past week a proposal to put Covid into the annual flu-vax mix, so we can have one jab for a whole lot viruses. An eternal income per person per year ( even twice a year for the zealous) for the vaccine producers.

Could just be the social cost of living to a ripe old age with health intact. It didn’t happen so much in past eras. Keep it mainly for the elderly and those who want it though, and maybe make it user-pays on a means-test basis? Covid, when it becomes endemic, should provide its own recurrent infectivity that younger immune systems hardly notice fending off, which they will do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 8:14 am

calli,

When you see your father today, give him an extra hug.

You never know when it will be the last.

struth
struth
September 12, 2021 8:15 am

If you are a bloke SFW, here’s a better Idea.
Fight.
Too many submissives have been saying….just go fishing,……..you’ve heard them….go camping, get away, live your life, try not to worry blah blah..none of it will mhelp a man who understands none of it will do you any good whatsoever.
A basic reality check.
THIS HAS HAPPENED.
YOU and your countrymen have been wronged and people are at war with you and want to kill you. Are you going to let them do it to you?
Because if you do it by your own hand, they won, and they killed you, because a free man like you would never take the option.
It’s important to not listen to cowards and the submiussive, as it won’t help at all.
Be realistic.
Look at what your strengths and weaknesses are, and understand a sane mind should be full of rage, depressed, worried etc.
These are signs they haven’t got your sanity, and of that you should be extremely proud.
Work out how you can fight.
Learn how to live and also how to die……
Very important.
No one here by age of physical disability cannot do something, and the tide is turning.
Find joy in the fight.
Find peace in the fact you know you are doing all you can to resist this, even if we lose.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 12, 2021 8:15 am

It’ll be a bad number for Victoria today and the WuFlu is spreading outside the northern suburbs.

How our increasingly unhinged premier will react is the real story.

I suspect Sutton may break ranks if Dan seeks further absurd and illogical cruelties.

TaliDan’s is fast running out of distraction squirrels as the NSW keeps the virus in a holding pattern. Huge increases in Victoria will throw the public’s gaze onto the incompetence of our progressive public system.

It was designed for political purpose and therefore is unfit for service.

Rabz
September 12, 2021 8:17 am

It might save some of them from real violence

Rest assured, Mole, they will have top billing in my production of the avant garde musical, “HOP Time”.

sfw
sfw
September 12, 2021 8:20 am

Thanks Rosie and Lizzie, up till now it’s always been personal circumstances that have gotten to me, depression runs in the family and I know that eventually time passes and things get better. This time it’s different, it’s what our elites are doing to us and our kids. I really can’t see things getting much better. my grandkids will never know the freedom we had. It all started with seatbelt laws and ever since they have found things to protect us from, now they are going to endlessly protect us from diseases it seems, there will never be an end to it. I’ve got six kids, 7 grandkids, my youngest son is in y12. The youngest daughter is doing uni in Melbourne, when you’re 18 to 20 or so it should be the best time of your life, well not for them, no social life, no going out, masks everywhere and almost compulsory vaxxes. They will never know freedom.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 8:22 am

Yes they will sfw. I’m certain of it.

P
P
September 12, 2021 8:23 am

Australia Begins to Reopen SLOWLY and Only for the Vaccinated
Written by Rev. Hon. Fred Nile, MLC
The Remnant – Friday, September 10, 2021

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 8:24 am

One thing that has always bothered me about the rush to jab the elderly is that they are almost all on a cocktail of drugs for various conditions, and the interactions between the other medications and the various jabs are completely unknown.

Hmmm.

It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.

– Major Phil Cannella, US Army, to an AP reporter, February 1968

sfw
sfw
September 12, 2021 8:25 am

Struth, agree, happy to live and happy to die, but this isn’t about me it’s about what is happening to our young people and young families, I can’t see this ending. I’ll do what I can, I mentioned the other day that I resigned from the LDP not because they’re no good but because they are a little limp when it comes to fighting these fools. I joined the Untied Aus Party as it seems more muscular and keen to take the diktators on. If they fail I believe we’re doomed to live as serfs for a hundred years or more.

Crossie
Crossie
September 12, 2021 8:27 am

As of writing, 89 percent of the population over the age of 16 have received a first dose of a coronavirus vaccine, while almost 80.8 percent have had both doses.

It comes as reports suggested the UK could re-enter lockdown in October to curb hospitalisations.

It’s almost as if the vaccines are irrelevant and it’s simply flu season/non-flu season that drives the whole thing. You would think our clever elite would twig to it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2021 8:27 am

Anyone know if members of the NSW Parliament and their staffers are required to get vaccinated?

Members Of Congress, Staff Exempt From Biden Vaccine Mandate (11 Sep)

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 8:30 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 12, 2021 8:30 am

Yep, fight it sfw.

Your doing something by spreading logic to the people you talk to.
They may bat it back but underneath it hits home when the elites introduce more absurdities.
My latest tactic is to tell people I’m sick of being humiliated and shamed by our leaders.
This hits home with the blokes.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 8:34 am
Crossie
Crossie
September 12, 2021 8:36 am

Boambee John says:
September 12, 2021 at 8:05 am

Look at most of the “journalists” on TV

Leaving aside the old hags who have been there forever (Hello Lisa Wilkinson), modern female TV journos are recruited exclusively from the YFP demographic.

Young, female, photogenic. Brains not essential.

It has always been thus, the pretty ones worked in television and the rest of them on newspapers or radio. Then once the bloom wears off they get new dewy reporters, newsreaders or weather girls.

The reasons Ann Sanders has been in her spot so long is that she still looks quite good, has not caused any scandals and 4 pm time slot is not prime time.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 12, 2021 8:38 am

A bushfire looks overwhelming when you roll up in your little truck but if you chip away and do what you can in your sector, you will overcome the inferno.
The Cat is a little team of liberty fighters pouring the cold water of sanity on the uncontrolled madness of unfettered government.

P
P
September 12, 2021 8:41 am

Anyone know if members of the NSW Parliament and their staffers are required to get vaccinated?

New South Wales
Vaccination will be compulsory for more than half of NSW’s public sector workers. But not for our parliament

Crossie
Crossie
September 12, 2021 8:47 am

What grates on me about our current situation is that we have been sentenced to house arrest, some of us even solitary confinement, of undetermined length for something we did not do. We are being punished for the sins and crimes of our betters, those who were and are still paid to do their job properly. Since they get to decide who gets punished then of course it will not be them but us.

This has damaged the social contract far more than anyone could have foreseen. You cannot have a free society when the government and bureaucracy have lost the confidence and assent of the populace.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 8:49 am

This, below, shows the good commentary running strongly in favour of freedom of vaxx choice, under the heavily pro-vaxx and pro-compulsion commentary of a very ususal suspect, Cameron Stewart.

Erasmus
1 HOUR AGO
I don’t get it.
Why would the vaccinated, like me, worry about other people making a different choice?
If the vaccines work, I’m protected from serious illness. I can still get infected and I can still infect other people, but I am personally unlikely to suffer serious symptoms, if any at all.
So why would I be frightened of being in a restaurant with unvaccinated people?
Surely it is those people who are at risk from me rather than the reverse, and if they are content to take that risk, why should it upset me?
There is absolutely no logic at all in the plans to exclude the unvaccinated from society.
In the end, we are all responsible for our own health decisions. Governments have no more right to coerce us into getting vaccinated than they have to force us to exercise or eat healthy food.
This is just another example of fear being used to further increase the authoritarian grip of governments on every aspect of our lives.

This sensible comment has over 150 uptick likes on it already.

Crossie
Crossie
September 12, 2021 8:50 am

P says:
September 12, 2021 at 8:41 am
Anyone know if members of the NSW Parliament and their staffers are required to get vaccinated?
New South Wales
Vaccination will be compulsory for more than half of NSW’s public sector workers. But not for our parliament

Us and them. We are expendable, they have the power to make sure they are not.

You would think that just for the sake of optics they would make sure “we’re all in this together”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2021 8:51 am

P – Thanks for that, I think. I didn’t know, which is why I asked. Now that I know I wish I didn’t.

You really got to hand it to our pollies, they’ve taken hypocrisy to a hitherto theoretically impossible level.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 8:52 am

I presume parliamentarians who are unvaxxed will be unable to access hairdressers and barbers and dress shops?

No. Didn’t think so.

More “exemptions” I suppose.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 8:53 am

In a display of vapidity rarely seen outside of watching bugs crawl into Venus fly traps, a plastic-infused socialite backs up another plastic-infused socialite (the Hun):

Socialite Laurina Fleure says her heart goes out to Nadia Bartel after the celebrity WAG was filmed snorting white powder off cheap crockery in a video posted to social media.

Fleure, who experienced her own social media nightmare when a video of her indulging in a mystery powder at a party went viral in March, said she felt deeply for Bartel.

“My heart goes out to Nadia. I know the excruciating humiliation of having your privacy violated,” she said.

Yes. Your privacy violated, when you make bazillionty gazillions out of poncing around in public and fleecing the gullible for fashion and ‘wellness options’.

Obviously, there’s a BFF vacancy going in the Nadia Coppolino-Bartel camp after the last one gave her the finger by posting footage of Nads doing nose beers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 8:53 am

The Cat is a little team of liberty fighters pouring the cold water of sanity on the uncontrolled madness of unfettered government.

Yes it is. But comments on The Australian that are now being allowed through more often than not (a change since some of us dumped subscription) show that there are many more of the same fighting spirit than just those few who show up here. This is a wider movement that we are part of and can help sustain.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 8:54 am

filmed snorting white powder off cheap crockery

Lol.

Less humiliating if snorted from Spode.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 9:00 am

My eldest son, living in Redfern, told me yesterday that one of the high rise public housing blocks in Waterloo is locked down. Probably the one where they have also restricted illegally people’s right to have a drink while incarcerated in those tiny dwelling ‘units’.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 9:01 am

Is that 20 year old frequently hospitalised wooden boatbuilder, cybersecurity expert, doctor and air cadet marshal sitting on the Full Bench of the Supreme Court yet?

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 9:05 am

I wonder how unvaxxed parliamentarians will be able to travel? Will they walk?

Or if they can have people around to their place for a meal? Or spend Christmas with their vaxxed families? Will they be made to sit outside restaurants or forbidden altogether? How about campaigning, their offices and workers, their friendship groups?

It’s all very mysterious how this will work out for them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2021 9:09 am

Ha ha. Just listening to the usual derros, salt of the Earth types and weirdos who ring Macca on Sunday (what do they do for the rest of the week?) and one guy starts rabbiting on how they are using chemtrails to keep people inside so they can’t get the Covid vaccine (Bird?). Even Macca, who has a pretty high threshold for these types, couldn’t hit the dump button fast enough. Great radio and the funniest thing you will hear on the ALPBC all week.

struth
struth
September 12, 2021 9:11 am

SFW. your children will know you would not tolerate it.
At the start I could tell my son’s fiance was thinking i was loopy although my son still has not had the vax that I am aware of.
Unfortunately, as every day passes, I am being proved more right and in the end, even if I end up in Toowoomba with a gun to my head for killing the arsehole who tries to jab me, it won’t be me who my son blames for this.
By the way I did a gig last night at the Bayswater at Hervey Bay.
Place was packed.
Full of Victorians and those escaping the usual lock down zones.
Some of them are my friends.
He is a manager of the tour company “Outback Spirit” for whom I used to work for but refused because of masks non planes and all the other bullshit.
His wife was scared shitless last year about covid…QR ing into places while none of us Queenslanders do, and I still haven’t yet.
While I was on stage she admitted to Mrs Struth that she had totally lost her mind to covid but she has come to her senses now.
We had an influence on her as she is a smart woman and the logic spoken honestly, shook her out of it.
They cannot risk going to their own home in Victoria as they need to travel around up north as the tourism season finishes up before the wet.
This is a massive crime being committed by megalomaniac socialist elites and justice must be done.
People are turning and now seeing through it.
Remember I said that once the good natured compliance of Australians is abused, it could get messy.
Make sure you stick around to stick the boot in as best you can, SFW.
I also joined UAP for exactly the same reason as you.
Once the media get locked out, as is now happening with the NSW daily fear theatre, you never know, they might start asking hard questions.

Indolent
Indolent
September 12, 2021 9:11 am

Another present from Whitlam.

Unidroit Treaty

Has anyone heard of this?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 9:12 am

If governments are going to force the vaccinations on the population, there should be zero exemptions for politicians, their partners, their staff.

The political class loves lining up at the front when there are goodies being handed out.
They mysteriously drag their feet when there’s something not so pleasant on the cards.

struth
struth
September 12, 2021 9:15 am

Pollie ban.
If it is now legal to discriminate I will only be going to restaurants and bars that ban all pollies and CHO’s.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2021 9:17 am

Great article by Brendan O’Neill in Spiked, “Let’s Roll”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 9:23 am

Serious question/s.

1. Is this exemption for the political class fact, or ‘someone overheard it so it must be true’ murmur?

2. If so, why?

Figures
Figures
September 12, 2021 9:23 am

No hzhousewife that’s not why.

Think of this, are you more likely to get sick when on holiday or when you’re working on a massive project?

For most people it’s by far and away the former. And yet, even mainstream medicine understands that generally stressed people are more likely to get sick than generally relaxed people.

This seems counterintuitive but it actually makes perfect sense when you realise disease is a survival mechanism.

Stress sets off physiological changes that “borrow from the future” to help you cope with what the sub conscious mind considers a threat situation. Once the source of the stress is resolved your body must “pay it back” to restore balance. It’s the “pay it back” mode that most people feel (because it’s painful).

The type of threat can differ (eg fear of a predator is a different form of threat to fear of starvation) and the physiological response is therefore different too.

What’s amazing is that what I’m saying will be ridiculed by people here even though not only is it true, it’s completely obvious.

Doctors don’t catch the diseases of their patients. Nor do patients sitting in a doctor office catch most of the diseases of others in the doctor waiting room. The idea that disease is contagious is history’s greatest lunacy. It’s as obviously wrong as saying the ocean is pink.

Siblings, schoolmates and colleagues absolutely can share each other’s causes of stress but doctors do not. That’s why disease can cluster but cannot spread.

Like I said, this isn’t just true, it’s a truism. It’s embarrassing that I even have to point it out it’s that obvious.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 12, 2021 9:26 am
Zipster
Zipster
September 12, 2021 9:30 am

It’s almost as if the vaccines are irrelevant and it’s simply flu season/non-flu season that drives the whole thing. You would think our clever elite would twig to it.

Nothing “almost” about it. It’s a cold virus, will come back every winter, for ever.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 12, 2021 9:30 am

International travel ban to lift by November?

Well somebody knows something.
The approvals process for an exemption from the travel ban has gone from long and torturous just a few months ago to a 24 hour turnaround. Successful too.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 9:30 am

1. Is this exemption for the political class fact, or ‘someone overheard it so it must be true’ murmur?

Re the US.
Congress and their staffers are exempt.

Re NSW.
Someone upthread posted a link to a news story quoting Gladys not answering the question.

Rabz
September 12, 2021 9:32 am

Steyn on two wasted decades, pandering to a bunch of goat pleasuring hillbillies.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 9:33 am

The approvals process for an exemption from the travel ban has gone from long and torturous just a few months ago to a 24 hour turnaround. Successful too.

For the last couple of weeks, Qantas has been running a promotion to upload your vax status in return for a few extra points.
Virgin kicked theirs off yesterday, but you have to self declare not upload the cert.

Bruce in WA
September 12, 2021 9:34 am

Wow. The Victoriastan government certainly doesn’t like some of its constituents, does it?

Victorian shooters to face 10 year gun bans for stepping out of line

The Andrews Government is making more bad changes to Victoria’s gun laws.

The latest changes will allow police to ban shooters from holding firearm licences for at least 10 years – for getting nothing more than a speeding fine.

People hit with a ban will also be subjected to warrantless searches of their homes or cars at any time, and barred from going to any place where guns may be stored or used.

This is a major backward step for shooters – but the good news is that the NSC is well placed to fight this, which is why we need your help.

Who will be able to impose the bans?

The legislation that was introduced into the Victorian State Parliament by the state’s Police Minister, Lisa Neville (pictured above), is called the Firearms and Other Acts Amendment Bill 2021. As it stands, the bill proposes that the bans will be able to be put in place by officers at an operational level.

These include inspectors in the firearms registry who run the place and will not have to explain their actions to anyone.

Once a ban is in place, the laws will allow any police officer to search the shooter, their home, their car or any person with the shooter, without a warrant.

How it would work

Imagine if you received a COVID or speeding fine.

From previous experience, Victoria Police has seen these as being sufficient to suspend firearms licences.

The new bans would permit any bad ‘behaviour‘ – potentially simply having an argument over the fine or suspension – to be sufficient to hit you with a ban.

This would subject you to searches until 2032 – and you would not be able to appeal the ban until 2027.

All for copping a simple fine.

Or for no reason at all.

It also means you can’t go anywhere firearms are used or stored – which may be your local range, gunshop or even a friend’s or relative’s home where firearms are stored.

You also cannot change address without risking a year in jail if you don’t notify the police within 24 hours of moving.

You will also have no right of appeal for at least the first five years of the 10 year ban.

Could you get a ban?

The bill before Parliament will allow officers to impose bans for any of the following reasons

• “because of the behaviour of the individual” – the legislation does not define what ‘behaviour’ means, and so comes down to the officer’s personal opinion. What is clear from the legislation is that this behaviour does not need to relate to anything illegal.

• “because of the people with whom the individual associates” – which means people Victoria Police do not like. Again, this does not need to relate to anything illegal.

• “because of the criminal history of the individual” – which sounds ok but again the lack of definition means it could apply to very old history – such as minor offences conducted as a teenager; and

• “because, on the basis of information known to the Chief Commissioner about the individual, the individual may pose a threat or risk to public safety.” – again, this is vague and open to abuse.

It means if a relatively junior officer of Victoria Police does not like your ‘behaviour’, you could easily find yourself getting one of Lisa Neville’s new bans.

Copping a COVID fine, for instance.

RTWT. And cop a gander at the police minister’s happy, smiling visage.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2021 9:35 am

To the deep state, the last two decades have been anything but wasted.
Just like from FDR onwards, the Cathedral hasn’t wasted a minute.

Woolfe
Woolfe
September 12, 2021 9:36 am

Noticed a lot more pro freedom comment get past the child moderators at the Paywallian lately.

As Lizzie said have they noticed a drop in subscriptions?

Bruce in WA
September 12, 2021 9:37 am

International travel ban to lift by November?

Not for Wait Awhile it won’t. My money’s on the end of February next year, at the earliest. (Clarification: We might be “allowed” to go before then, but getting back into the State will be the problem!)

Rabz
September 12, 2021 9:38 am

have they noticed a drop in subscriptions?

Gee, they twigged to that quickly.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 9:42 am

Yes. I think New South Welshmen will be the first to be released from captivity.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 12, 2021 9:42 am

Planning on riding the rails for about seven hours tomorrow.
Do I tip the house on its side to find to that munted face nappy from February last year,
or head off to the local Dannings for two dozen new and change them every 20 minutes as recommended?

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 12, 2021 9:42 am

It’s almost as if the vaccines are irrelevant

Let me use the “burning fossil fuels causes global warming” idiotic logic.
If Covid cases rise as vaccinations rise, then vaccinations cause Covid.
QED.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2021 9:44 am

That’s optimistic Bruce of WA. My earliest estimate is never. Hypothetical for me, my passport expired last year and I didn’t bother paying the tax to renew it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 9:46 am

Once a ban is in place, the laws will allow any police officer to search the shooter, their home, their car or any person with the shooter, without a warrant.

Hideous overreach.

These laws, along with the Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPOs) in NSW were designed for OMCG members. The Comancheros, Hells Angels and so on. And yes, they allowed (once in place) for the jacks to tip out (search) any of these muppets wandering around in public, or at home, with the intent of locking them up and then driving them out of the State.

The definitions were deliberately vague to allow for intelligence holdings to be used as well – for which in most cases the punter concerned cannot see to defend. Good for bikies, bad for the average shooter.

The approval delegation for one of these was a copper who knew what he was doing, allegedly. Senior Sergeant or Inspector or somesuch. Now it looks like the tick for the order’s been delegated to every useless copper working in the firearms registry – and they’re in the firearms registry because they’ve demonstrated their incompetence at actual police work, and the problem was shifted by the brass.

Someone’s clearly has the idea that this legislation could be used for purposes other than that for which it was intended. Like, I don’t know, public health legislation designed around animals.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
September 12, 2021 9:47 am

Confession. I am a Western Bulldogs fan. Actually a Premiership Gold member.

Due to the fascistic “laws” that State Governments have implemented I will be unable to attend the Grand Final in Perth. To say that my blood is boiling is an understatement. My first instinct is to cancel my recurring membership of the Doggies. My second is to burn down AFL house (I visit it once a week for work). My third is to get my ticket and illegally cross the WA border.

PS I am a little angry 🙁

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 9:48 am

Do I tip the house on its side to find to that munted face nappy from February last year

Yes.

But wash it first. Gets rid of the nano-wrigglers.

struth
struth
September 12, 2021 9:51 am

They are pushing for another lock down in the UK.
This does not end without the perps receiving justice.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2021 9:51 am

Victorian shooters to face 10 year gun bans for stepping out of line

The Andrews Government is making more bad changes to Victoria’s gun laws.

The shitness in Victoria never sleeps.

If this isn’t the definition of a Police State I don’t know what is.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2021 9:51 am

Scanning my news feed over lunch yesterday I came across a piece in The Age which canvassed three epidemiologists on what Andrews should do to curb the preent outbreak lest it head the way of NSW.

“Lockdown!”

Some argument as to whether it should be 7 or 14 days.

All agree movement should be severely curtailed.

One wanted all non-essential businesses closed, including supermarkets, grog shops, etc.

I was surprised none of them suggested welding doors shut.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2021 9:52 am

This does not end without the perps receiving justice.

Indeed.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 9:53 am

They are pushing for another lock down in the UK.

I wonder if war on the streets is the desired result?

It will certainly make a distraction for other activities.

Indolent
Indolent
September 12, 2021 9:53 am

Let me use the “burning fossil fuels causes global warming” idiotic logic.
If Covid cases rise as vaccinations rise, then vaccinations cause Covid.

Spike proteins are toxic and can cause Covid. If you inject spike proteins you can get Covid. Nothing idiotic about that statement and plenty of real world examples about, with the most vaccinated countries having the biggest spike in case numbers.

Gab
Gab
September 12, 2021 9:53 am

Calli, I am so sorry (and angry) to hear what has happened to your father and daughter.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2021 9:54 am

Just returned from country vic.

Three trucks on the Hume, hardly and cars. Australia is rooted.

No cops.

Oh, and now I see that Dickhead Dan wants the option of confiscating my firearms if he chooses.

calli
calli
September 12, 2021 9:57 am

Thanks Gab. About to march out the door and pay him a visit, banana cake and my “work in progress” in hand to provide a bit of distraction from his misery.

Plus hugs. Thanks for the reminder, Knuckles. He’s a bit too sore to hug much, but even a token one will do.

And speaking of Token, he’s another one who’s gone missing.

Arky
September 12, 2021 9:58 am

Gabsays:
September 12, 2021 at 9:53 am
Calli, I am so sorry (and angry) to hear what has happened to your father and daughter.

..
We’re living in a sick society.
We need to think deeply about the inputs that have got us here.
Schools. Media. Corrupt political process.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2021 10:01 am

Oh, and now I see that Dickhead Dan wants the option of confiscating my firearms if he chooses.

Don’t tell me he’s gone the full John Howard…

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2021 10:04 am

These laws, along with the Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPOs) in NSW were designed for OMCG members.

An FPO has been placed on Aussie Cossack, purely political. The laws should have never existed in the first place, in any form.

All because low rent mong police can’t catch a criminal within the existing legal framework, they demand a free shot at crims and anyone else they don’t like.

Fuck them. All Australian Police forces need to be purged.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 10:06 am

Is that 20 year old frequently hospitalised wooden boatbuilder, cybersecurity expert, doctor and air cadet marshal sitting on the Full Bench of the Supreme Court yet?

Poor kid. It’s not her fault that the boyfriend’s father has chosen to use her in is propaganda.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 12, 2021 10:07 am

A ceremonial book burning (in 2019) that included tales of Tintin and Asterix by a school board in the name of indigenous reconciliation has been condemned by political leaders.

The “flame purification” ceremony by Providence Catholic School Board involved 30 primary and secondary schools in the Canadian province of Ontario. About 4700 books were removed from library shelves, but 30 were burnt for “educational purposes”.

Only just reported recently. From The Times, as quoted in The Oz.
Perhaps Trudeau’s criticism of the book burning is a small positive in the woke cancel culture universe.
The book burning and justification of educational purposes are very chilling portents of the future.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2021 10:08 am

Don’t tell me he’s gone the full John Howard…

He never had to deal with Grampian N A Z I s. Hi Neil.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 10:08 am

I was surprised none of them suggested welding doors shut.

Three ‘tame’ epidemiologists. There are plenty who are not.

areff
areff
September 12, 2021 10:09 am

Victorian shooters to face 10 year gun bans for stepping out of line

Why?

Because one of the three upper house votes that gave Andrews his “emergency powers” belongs to the Animal Rights party, which has already won the right of renters to have pets regardless of what the landlord wants.

This being Sicktoria, the gun move suggests he’s lining up the crossbenchers for a further extension of his autocratic misrule.

P
P
September 12, 2021 10:09 am

One Bishop speaks out:
ARCHPASTORAL REFLECTION ON CURRENT COVID CRISIS
h/t Craig Kelly tweet.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2021 10:12 am

My earliest estimate is never. Hypothetical for me, my passport expired last year and I didn’t bother paying the tax to renew it.

Got an email reminder from the passport office recently that mine expired 3 years ago. If I feel the urge I might get another, but right now I don’t. Seems not much point. But they do seem to want the revenue.

Meanwhile the prisoners are trying to escape.

More And More Australians Are Seeking To Leave The Country (11 Sep)

The latest figures (pdf) reveal that since January – when the ABF received 20,976 applications – Australians have continued looking for opportunities to leave the country.

“There are literally tens of thousands of people out there on social media and elsewhere saying we’re done, we don’t need this anymore,” Andrew Cooper, president of LibertyWorks told the Daily Telegraph.

“There’s definitely that feeling out there—people saying I’m done,” he added.

Achtung!!! Escape is impossible from Stalag Oz MMXXI!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 10:15 am

Doctors don’t catch the diseases of their patients. Nor do patients sitting in a doctor office catch most of the diseases of others in the doctor waiting room. The idea that disease is contagious is history’s greatest lunacy. It’s as obviously wrong as saying the ocean is pink.

Plenty of doctors and nurses, younger ones too, have died of Covid caught while treating their patients and gaining a higher viral load than they would gain in normal situations of interacting with others. Disease is clearly contagious. However, you have a point in noting that people tend to catch a disease when they have more stressed and their immune systems are less capable of handling intruding pathogens. People have different parameters in their lives and thus differing levels of immune function. It’s a mix. But diseases can transmit even to the very healthy. Live with it. It happens.

duncanm
duncanm
September 12, 2021 10:17 am

“There are literally tens of thousands of people out there on social media and elsewhere saying we’re done, we don’t need this anymore,”

I’m surprised that number is so small.
There’s about 1 million temporary residents , many of whom are likely disillusioned and itching to get back home.

I can’t see their replacements beating the door down.

rosie
rosie
September 12, 2021 10:18 am

Don’t bother arguing with figures feathers.
It’s been done.
Waste of time, waste of pixels.

duncanm
duncanm
September 12, 2021 10:20 am

Lizzie – don’t feed the nut.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2021 10:23 am

Three ‘tame’ epidemiologists. There are plenty who are not.

I note no Australian epidemiologist has co-signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

Indeed, there are only 40 or so co-signers, many of whom have since been professionally ostracised.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 10:23 am

Don’t bother arguing with figures feathers.
It’s been done.
Waste of time, waste of pixels.

Just doing it to keep the Flash Cat commentary within the bounds of sanity when a loony toon arrives. Figures has had his say and his come uppance on the Old Cat and the Dash Cat. He’s now had it here, from me at least. I won’t waste precious pixels on him any further. Life’s too short. 🙂

duncanm
duncanm
September 12, 2021 10:29 am

I hate to feed (false-)figures, but I’ll just leave this snippet of the NSW weekly covid surveillance report here.

Table 5. Number of healthcare worker infections by source of infection and proportion fully vaccinated
16Jun – 21Aug:
Healthcare acquired: 44
Community Acquired: 97

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2021 10:31 am

I signed The Great Barrington Declaration in the medical section, using my MPH qualification. You would probably find other people with similar qualifications in that large group, including a number of PhD’s presumably in relevant medical and scientific disciplines.

It is true that most epidemiologists in Australia work within university public health departments or governmental arenas, where the pressure to toe a party line would be strong. I don’t know the personnel in the field much anymore, and plenty were very left of centre, but I see on Sky News programs various epidemiologists interviewed who are less inclined to favour full lockdowns. They are out there.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2021 10:33 am

I’m surprised that number is so small.
There’s about 1 million temporary residents , many of whom are likely disillusioned and itching to get back home.

They’re not letting them go. I know a number who have been desperately trying to leave this shithole without success.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2021 10:35 am

It is true that most epidemiologists in Australia work within university public health departments or governmental arenas, where the pressure to toe a party line would be strong.

Going along to get along.

So much for scientific objectivity.

duncanm
duncanm
September 12, 2021 10:35 am

Not sure if this has been posted.

Update from the Qantas pilot
https://mobile.twitter.com/section_117/status/1436574381510066180

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
September 12, 2021 10:37 am

Arky says:
September 12, 2021 at 9:58 am
___________________________
We’re living in a sick society.
We need to think deeply about the inputs that have got us here.
Schools. Media. Corrupt political process.
***********************************
I see it as more of a malaise, what got Australia to that state was a combination of things;

• The average punter isn’t that engaged with the political sphere
• People have become conditioned to expect government to give them ‘free stuff’ or solve any societal problem no matter how minor instead of using their common sense, moral compass or ethical reasoning.
• The media has to wear substantial blame, they pumped up the tyres on the fear factor for nothing more than click bait and basically beatified the unelected second rate ‘health officials’ who graced the media sycophants with their diktats for the ‘safety’ of the peons.
• The political process itself isn’t necessarily corrupt but the lackwits, yokels, dim bulbs and tyrants in waiting have exploited Australia’s body politic to serve their own ends. That is, they have no desire to serve those who elected them and in fact probably view them as the Untermensch.
• Having seen the way Australians reacted to seeing their most fundamental rights cruelly taken away could be at it’s most generous described as supine. I understand that there are some exceptions to this generalising, but it is basically true from an outside perspective

If I could give any advice it would be to gather as many old family photographs as you can. Look at them, remember those times and tell your children and grandchildren about them and who is in those pictures, because what you once had is never coming back, the politicians and their enablers have tasted unquestioned authority and they are in no hurry to give it up.

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2021 10:37 am

“dover0beachsays:
September 12, 2021 at 10:30 am
Lambie threatens the unvaccinated. What a revolting crone.”

This crone was gifted to us by PUP….Clive Palmer.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 12, 2021 10:40 am

Bit late ‘cos of a sleep in and watching Outsiders.
But thanks Tom for WIP.
Roy Uberson – hahaha.

duncanm
duncanm
September 12, 2021 10:40 am

Well, the ICU’s may be being overrun, but hospital emergency departments certainly aren’t in NSW.
from the weekly report: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210904.pdf

ED Presentations per week, compared to average this time of year.
Pneumonia -300 (pp35)
Bronchiolitis -200 (pp35)
Covid +344 (pp17)

No doubt broken bones and all the other sporting related injuries are also way down.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2021 10:43 am

Plenty of doctors and nurses, younger ones too, have died of Covid caught while treating their patients and gaining a higher viral load than they would gain in normal situations of interacting with others.

Who? Where?

OF covid, or WITH covid?

Any car accident or suicides in that cohort?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 12, 2021 10:49 am

“Doctors don’t catch the diseases of their patients.”
Yes they do. It doesn’t happen very often because health care professionals are assiduous about being vaccinated against known threats, and about taking other precautions way beyond what other people take in everyday life.

“Nor do patients sitting in a doctor office catch most of the diseases of others in the doctor waiting room.”
Yes they do. It just doesn’t happen very often. Figures doesn’t understand the idea of relative risk. He’s either incapable or unwilling to understand that there are states of probability between 0% and 100%, and that probabilities can be affected by more than one factor.

Every doctor will tell you not to go to a doctor’s surgery or a hospital unless you’ve got a reason to go, because they are heightened risk places (despite the extraordinary level of precautions taken at such places to minimise the risks). But people do have reasons to go.

Some people get an annual flu shot. I don’t (except last year where it was a prerequisite to be allowed into the place my mother was living), but I understand people’s risk calculation.
An ordinary person may in normal times spend an hour or so a day five days a week crowded into peak time public transport, and many other hours in close proximity to large numbers of people. They calculate their chances of getting the flu as very high, not because any single encounter with a single person is likely to give them the flu, but because vast numbers of encounters (often in crowded and not very sanitary places) with vast numbers of people all add up. (It’s called “cumulative risk”, and it’s another thing that Figures is incapable or unwilling to understand.) So some people see the flu shot as a means of significantly reducing that risk.

To get the flu shot they have to visit a doctor. They’ll likely spend a total of about 20 minutes there (compared with the vast number of hours of risk elsewhere that they’re seeking to mitigate). The environment will be maintained to reduce to the maximum extent possible the passing on of a disease (unlike many other places they’ll be). And they won’t come across that many people at the doctor’s compared with the vast crowds they may be engulfed in elsewhere.

And in fact as likely as not there won’t actually be anyone there with an infectious disease. Figures is incapable or unwilling to understand that people actually have many different reasons for going to the doctor. In fact if you go to a GP’s office and there’s say half a dozen other patients there, most likely they’ll consist of a hypochondriac, a malingerer trying to get a certificate off work, someone getting a routine repeat prescription for something non-contagious, someone getting the stitches taken out of a cut, someone having an annual checkup, and another person also there for a flu jab. There may be someone there with an infectious disease, but very often there won’t be. And, as for the doctors and other staff, see above – they are highly trained in the art of minimising the risk of getting or transmitting infections.

Yet some people no doubt do get the flu at the doctor’s. That’s the nature of real life probability and risk. If you take a 1% risk to reduce another 50% risk to 25%, the 1% risk may still materialise. Any person mentally capable of understanding that most probabilities aren’t entirely binary, that level of probability can be multi-factor, and the concepts of relative risk and cumulative risk, would see clearly why (looked at in the abstract) someone’s decision to get a flu jab might be entirely rational.
But Figures isn’t such a person.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2021 10:53 am

Having seen the way Australians reacted to seeing their most fundamental rights cruelly taken away could be at it’s most generous described as supine. I understand that there are some exceptions to this generalising, but it is basically true from an outside perspective

I agree with your four preceding points, carpe, but I’ll make this comment in regard to the above.

Australians are generally not a demonstrative people. The frustration and anger is there, but it is suppressed by the cultural expectation that one does not make a public display of such feelings. The feeling has long been that public demonstrations are the preserve of political ratbags. Think of it as the downside to the noted taciturn nature of the Australian national character, if one can still talk about such a thing in our enlightened multikulti world. But the frustration an danger is getting through to politicians, which is why they – even Dan Andrews – are now keen to talk about plans to be free of lockdowns. The only exception seems to be McGowan, whose popularity mystifies me; but then, I’m not West Australian.

egg_
egg_
September 12, 2021 10:55 am

Cate’s prolly one of the vaxxed – condition of employment?

I may be in the same spot by month’s end – some colleagues are critical about it (there may be evasions, like a letter from your mum?).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2021 11:00 am

The only exception seems to be McGowan, whose popularity mystifies me; but then, I’m not West Australian.

He’s seen by the sheep as “keeping Western Australians safe from the dreaded virus.”

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