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Open Thread – Weekend 2 Oct 2021
Rabz: I’m loving being a cranky old fart. It’s as if I was born for the role…
Only early afternoon, but I think these need a run. The Art of Noise featuring Duane Eddy – Peter Gunn…
Inexcusable. Just inexcusable. And yet how many Australian Bases would fail the same routine test?
France is at the coal face, with the UK close behind. Outside Sydney, and to a lesser extent Melbourne I’m…
Had to turn Macca off. I think I have a low bumpkin threshold today. Hopefully the rest of the day will be bumpkin free. It normally is.
Another place on the to do list
At 95 Justin Gallego is still going
sTan is not even one of the ALPBC’s greatest thinkers. In the right light he is sometimes the right colour.
Amazing bumpkin tolerance.
Had to turn him off in 1985.
Yes. Goodness me he’s an odd colour at the moment.
A sort of brownish magenta.
Faustus – I can normally tune out so it becomes white noise. Kind of what I suspect my dog does with me.
Wow, Australia handing a propaganda victory to the worlds worst Human Rights abusers. Dan front and centre, Scomo receives an honourable mention.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/02/russia-and-china-likely-to-introduce-u-n-security-council-resolution-condemning-australia-for-human-rights-violations/#more-217858
Russia and China Likely to Introduce U.N. Security Council Resolution Condemning Australia for Human Rights Violations
October 2, 2021 | Sundance
sTan’s pigmentation does exhibit remarkable Zelig-like properties.
I observed last week that Australia appears to be being deliberately marginalised on social and political grounds by forces outside and within.
The objective remains unclear, but it may have something to do with our small population and vast resources. Like Canada.
The best part about eating prawns on a Saturday is putting the leftovers through scrambled eggs on a Sunday.
Scrambled eggs and a chorizo sausage always made a good Sunday meal when provisions, energy and care factor were running low.
Australia, still punching above its weight for shitness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTwedcnwm6A
Terry McCrann’s Weekend Paywallian column makes a cryptic reference to “something” happening in China. Could Zippy be on to something?
Well done China. Now the miners are scattered across the globe and actually not liquidating mined coins ie hoarding off exchange. Increasing the scarcity factor. Now Powell slowly inching towards putting another tick in place for US ETF approval.
Tucker Carlson interviewing Gideon Rozner about the police state we are living under in Victoria
No words.
Come on, Outsiders, we are all ‘antivaxxers’ now.
Dover, is there a link for that ?
Careful Dover, you’ll be labelled extreme Right wing.
James Morrow jibberjabbing about vaccines.
Calli, here.
I’ve found the tweet and the Obit. Is there any other evidence that this is true?
No idea, Calli.
Where’s Grig with a fact-check?
The ONLY thing that makes Australia ‘shit’ is Politics, and then it’s NOT ‘shit’ for those who control Politics.
Otherwise we have everything we need to be totally self sufficient & then to the highest of standards, again, only needing the Politics to do a modern, fast, clean, high tech version of America’s full development & all the real wealth that created.
Whereas the rest of the world is literally plagued with plagues of all sorts we don’t have, geological instability, shared borders with every other killer problem and of course the ever volatile Politics as well.
When the World’s Powers are going flat out to convince everyone to get out of Australia & run to any disease riddled, volcanic, earth breaking, human slaughtering hell hole instead, WHILE those powers remain heavily invested in Australia, with Her almost limitless development opportunities, I reckon that’s when you don’t listen to those World Powers or their multitude of propagandists.
It’s sad really; when armies of Muslims invade the West, claiming asylum because of wars & dangerous politics in their desert hell hole countries (while leaving their women & children behind in the hell the young men claim to be escaping), Westerners tell them they should go back home & fight for their countries.
Too often they’re the same Westerners who tell Australians to run away from Australia and leave Her to The Enemy.
Well, when for the first time in our short & greatly blessed history we do have to fight for Our Country on Our Soil, I think it will be better if those who can be chased off, are.
Okay, I’ve googled her name and all that comes up is the death notice. And lots of hits on social media sites repeating it. I’m always a bit sceptical when these stories are designed to tug at the heart strings.
Attractive young mum, little kids, coercion etc. If it was an old derro who died from the vaxx because he couldn’t access welfare it wouldn’t rate.
It may mean:
It’s a fabrication
It’s partly true – she died, but not as a result of the vax
It’s true and google are suppressing the search results
Take your pick. I just can’t tell any more.
August West @AtkinsonTrace · 2h
Replying to @Liz_Wheeler
The legal immunity granted to the Vaxx makers tells you everything you need to know. RIP Jessica. I know you did it to be with your children.
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Jeff Gauwitz @Shenanigans726 · 2h
My suggested course would be go after who coerced…in this case the school district. If you can’t go after the source, go after who ordered or mandated. Enough of these lawsuits come, companies and small governmental units will likely drop the mandates. Sick it’s come to this.
Lol, Dover. I bet he’s hanging around but circumspect. The self-control is admirable. 😀
Moria [correction: Moira] Deeming on Outsiders discussing gender ideology in schools. Wow. Just wow. Brilliant critique.
Sorry, the Tolkein is strong in me.
That is scary and I have no doubt Andrews would implement that here!
Whereupon he identifies the utterly fatal problem with cryptocurrencies.
If they are banned by fiat you have suddenly done all your dough, like a dead tulip bulb.
Betting on the fiscal enlightenment of the Cathedral is not good for one’s health.
Weasel words. Could still do it.
Like EV’s Bruce, they are coming. And there are many cryptos but only a handful have the legs or the quality. 10 years from now, those will be embedded in the financial and technical landscape.
I had this conversation with my old dad once, we disagreed. That they are coming doesn’t mean that they will stay. Both are like Wile E. Coyote standing on thin air, which he manages to do for a while. Whereupon reality rudely intrudes.
I’m going to cheat here, since it’s Sunday, and put this into the thought-mix.
Vermin, these days, seem mainly to walk on two legs.
Anyone know if the Robocops we are suddenly seeing in Melbourne are private military?
I must have misheard Pony Girl.
Delta will hunt you down if you’re an Unperson, or something.
Ol’Crazy Anna is reminding people going to the NRL grand final today that they have to wear a mask all the way through the game. I suspect that civil disobedience is going to be the order of the day.
funeral mass notice for Jessica Wilson
When the Official numbers of those Killed & Seriously, Permanently Damaged by Covid Jabs, are so high (and actual numbers even higher), it just goes to show how terrified people are of being branded, ‘not sceptical enough’, when they feel compelled to ‘fact check’ every report of every Jab death.
Meanwhile the armies of Anonymous Names on The Net that claim to have been Jabbed and suffered nothing more than short term aches have their word taken as gospel, but Only Their word.
Those Anonymous Names on The Net who do report great, sudden, catastrophic damage done to Jabbed loved ones are put through, ‘Are you Sure, have you Proven, it wasn’t only (an endless list of), likely sad coincidences?’, Jab Excusing questions.
The Constantly Changing & LYING Propaganda, and GOVT DIKTATS from the very outset, has been aimed at coercing the world into being Jabbed with a very new concoction that has already been proven to be particularly more dangerous for the young, fit & healthy who are at near to no danger at all from the bug.
Yet here we are, still trained to give the proven lying bastards the benefit of the doubt over their victims.
The school Assumption -St Bridgets also has a notice on their Facebook page.
I guess we’ll have to see. But 2 things tell me they most certainly are here to stay and will grow. The first is that the generations maturing now are increasingly all in support and pressing for the “greener future” Govts will provide. Second is the many billions being channeled into resources and technology to facilitate that greener future. By Govt policy and by influences in the financial sphere.
There’s risks in every investment, as everyone learned back in 2007/8. Or should have. That’s why one should never bet the farm on anything.
Still topping the American charts … LOL!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444118948417523715
Is it just me becoming easily excited again, or is this a ‘wow’ statement?
Week in Pictures:
‘I can’t wait until the 5th wave when the people with 4 shots are blaming it on the people with 3 shots.’
Well done to The Oz for publishing James Allan’s piece “Covid hysteria based on lies, propaganda and ignorance.”
A couple of gems:
1. many people haven’t got a clue about what the relative risks are. It’s a world where (according to the latest Stanford study) the survival rate for the unvaccinated for these age ranges is: 0-19 (99.9973 per cent); 20-29 (99.986 per cent); 30-39 (99.969 per cent); 40-49 (99.918 per cent); and the survival rate doesn’t drop below 99.7 per cent until you get to the over-70s.
2. He rips into Neil Ferguson’s litany of failed predictions
3. a number of British doctors are now predicting that deaths caused by the lockdowns themselves will end up outnumbering the saved Covid deaths by 10 or 20 to 1.
4. Allan’s summary – The whole vaccine-passport mandate position (full disclosure, to have some hope of one day seeing my kids who live overseas I’m double-jabbed) is premised on people having no clue at all of their relative risks. Then add in a dollop of “take the worst imaginable outcome modelling”. Throw in a media and press corps that is either stupid or longs for the reincarnation of Pravda. Stir. And you have Australia, readers
Could someone who can count higher than 20 (which rules me out), have a quick scan of this Studies Show More COVID-19 Cases in Areas Without School Masking Policies please, and tell us if it adds up?
Robbo cops
Robber cops
Remember when it was the job of leaders to reassure people in difficult times?
‘Keep calm and carry on’ and all that.
Now they personify a virus to terrorise people.
Thanks Rosie. Now we know she was a real person who died.
Poor young woman.
Word of the Day: Zoonotic.
Zoonotic diseases (also known as zoonoses) are caused by germs that spread between animals and people.
Makka – Never stand between a pollie and a bucket of money. Especially if it is easy to get at with state power, and is owned by a class-enemy.
Also crypto has this problem of needing electricity. Which isn’t going to be a given in the near future.
I think a serious study of gold and silver as mediums of exchange and wealth accumulation, and all the pitfalls experienced historically thereby, would be a good thesis topic. Gold is like a crypto in that there’re a limited number of atoms available. And you can mine it. Unlike Bitcoin though you have to keep it somewhere physical, which is the problem. Thievery has not been repealed in the current age, and in some respects seems to be rising (since governments these days look rather negatively upon wealth owners smiting thieves righteously).
The issue with crypto is that it can be stolen and it can be turned off. At least gold can’t be turned off. The plus is that in theory it can be kept in the cloud, encrypted and out of the clutches of government…until the government evaporates the cloud. And then as with all things governments are corrupting crypto for their own end: control of wealth. He who has the key has the control, and he who has the gun can get the key. China is first off the block in this, as they suppress foreign cryptos in favour of their new heavenly cryptoYuan.
Sandline anyone?
I thought Monica Smit was very impressive on Outsiders this morning. She’s articulate, she’s well spoken and she speaks common sense and truth.
I should also add that because she’s articulate, well spoken and speaks common sense and truth, she is smeared as far-right, far-right, far-right.
Gab
That is scary and I have no doubt Andrews would implement that here!
He doesn’t have the legal authority to do so, nor any authority over the ADF.
The Growing Police State (‘Identify and Disrupt’)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjo0OKXicm8
Oct 2, 2021
Discernable
Barrister, lecturer and legal writer Greg Barns SC explains the motive of governments and police behind new laws like the ‘Identify and Disrupt’ legislation that allows police to impersonate people by taking over their online identities.
He describes a media hypocrisy where authoritarianism is welcomed on one hand but lambasted on the other, resulting in a net advancement of the Police State.
Problems caused by EV’s and lithium batteries.
Accidents or faults nearly always result in fires in EV’s.
Garages working on these vehicles are setting up a sealed rooms or steel containers so batteries from faulty or damaged cars can stored for up to three days to avoid the real possibility of combustion.
Central planning, it’s a gift.
Then Monero becomes expensive, banks can stop using XRP and Japan is left alone, accepting BTC in shops.
Replacement therapy.
Lithuanian doctors find kilo of screws and nails in man’s stomach (2 Oct)
A man who swallows four inch nails to stop alcohol cravings is the very definition of toughness.
Muddy, nice word.
Zoonosis is the reason why flu viruses will never be practically eliminated, because there is an animal resevoir which will relay and mutate the disease. Hence bird flu, swine flu, and seasonal flu spikes as insect activity wanes and booms.
Other diseases where we can hope for eradication- smallpox, poliomyelitis- are not zoonotic.
The liquid lith batteries , yes. Technology is focused on the solid lith battery development where combustion possibility is much much less.
In any case, political will, $$$ and technology R&D will overcome these impediments over time. The ICE days are numbered.
Just wait for it, the reaction is priceless. Coming Monday…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDtkTo9cUJY
Oct 3, 2021
Project Veritas
“tumarfa 3 hours ago
Lots of MSM propagandists need to go to Nuremberg along with Big Tech CEOs.”
Along with lots of Social Media propagandists who ‘befriend’ real people in order to ‘nudge’ into Complying with Govt Diktats.
Non-combusting batteries are in the pipeline. I think that’s the last missing piece before mass take up. Doesn’t even matter what government does at this stage, once the price starts coming down for EVs, there will be widespread adoption.
They are cheaper to run, much less parts to maintain, motors last much longer. etc. Where power is cheap it’s a no brainer. Places with lack of electrical infrastructure and cheap power is the only thing that will hold it back.
..
Didn’t someone on here once say:
“The vaccines won’t do shit”?
Who was that genius prognosticator?
Zipster
Places with lack of electrical infrastructure and cheap power is the only thing that will hold it back.
Long sentence to avoid saying the single word “Australia”.
once the price starts coming down for EVs, there will be widespread adoption.
Places with lack of electrical infrastructure and cheap power is the only thing that will hold it back
Look like your false positive and glaringly obvious negative have cancelled each other out there, Z.
Who said anything about the ADF?
What is the point of sending ‘social media propagandists’ to Nuremberg if they aren’t ‘real’ people?
the constitution says no
Makka and Zipster’s comments accompanied by Jiminy Cricket singing “When you wish upon a star”
Dostoevsky On Atheists | The Brothers Karamazov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkaHV9ZXcxw
Oct 3, 2021
FreedomProject Media
Gez,
People like you were similarly intimidated by the steam train.
Haha.
The fuel and the oxidizer are still in close proximity. Close as possible to reduce V=IR losses. So if a fire ignites, eg by an electrical short circuit, the two are volatilized and mobilized – they then combine enthusiastically.
In chemistry we call this “kinetic vs thermodynamic control”. You can do a lot of apparently thermodynamically impossible things if kinetic energy barriers allow it. I’ve done quite a few myself, incurring the displeasure in one case of a national icon (who was a thermodynamics purist).
At present there’re several kinetic barriers preventing the oxidant and the fuel in batteries from autogenously reacting. But get a fire going and all bets are off.
EVs won’t go anywhere until the cost of a recharge generates as much profit as the cost of an unleaded refill.
Sandline, and the myriad of other private ‘contractor’ businesses that emerged from the ME ructions recruited (supposedly) from SF and, at a stretch, regular infantry.
SF operate in small groups, and regular grunts have not operated in battalion (700 or so) strength since Korea. I’m happy to stand corrected, but I don’t believe an entire battalion group was committed to a single battle at the same time during Vietnam.
Consequently, neither are trained to stand in line with over a thousand others. What they are trained for is something entirely different, and the lack of side-tipper semis pulling up alongside the Yarra and unloading hundreds of bodies into it should indicate that no, private military are not being recruited by the current dunderheads at VicJack Inc.
Paramilitary uniforms and plenty of black toys does not make a private army. Those uniforms and toys are, however, intended to make them look scary. The vast majority of people clad in it are pigeon-chested tatt-sleeved aspirational baristas and screechy fat lady dwarves.
Of course in internal combustion engines you only have to contain the fuel in a fuel tank since the oxidizer isn’t carried on board. The fuel tank can be much more easily protected since it is a single unit. That’s why extinguishants work for ICE fires but not EV fires, since the extinguisher (CO2 or etc) can separate the fuel (petrol) from the oxidizer (air). That is not possible with EVs.
Really, anywhere? You obviously aren’t looking at the explosion in take up numbers and the billions invested , the technology underway , all backed by Govt mandates.
Harvest season, powered by EVs.
Yeah righto.
Snort.
Yes, Lithium is too reactive to survive as an energy store in a mobile application. It appears that it is a half-way house for EV’s at this stage.
Allowing that an EV had the range to get me into the High Country, which they don’t, the last thing I’d want to do is tackle a wet and slippery steep descent without the benefit of engine braking.
Imagine this running towards you:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36940576@N04/15653913793/in/photostream/
Wot KD said.
A single morale patch velcro’d on one of the VikPlod’s chest rigs, and everyone has gone full tinfoil hat.
Heck, it isn’t an identifier. It’s a ‘Looka-Mee!’ thing. Like the images of GIs from Vietnam with all the scribblings and subversive art on their helmet covers. Full Metal Jacket-style.
Aussie soldiers are (AFAIK) still banned from wearing ‘death iconography’ thanks to ol’ cross-eyes and his insistence on ‘humility,’ so you would expect to see things like Pineapples (Mater and Arky get it), the occasional Sexual Tyrannosaurus or whatever tickles the fancy of the wearer at the time (Op. Enduring C*********k, anyone?). I also like this one.
But never, ever worn in the RSM’s presence. Unless he’s wearing his…
The problem, Cassie, is that Monica has no bucket of cash, a la the Fat Bastard’s mining royalties backing Craig Kelly, so her little protest party will just fizzle and die.
She’s no match for booming state spending and the circa 150 billion in new state debt that Daniel Andrews is using, alongside his daily fear campaign, to guarantee his landslide state election victory in 2022.
Tyranny.
Yes, because everyone knows electric motors cannot apply a braking force. Ever hear of regenerative braking in F1. You know, where they use a electric motor as a generator to apply braking force to the wheels.
If this is the extent of your knowledge about EV’s, perhaps it would be wiser to remain silent, less we take you for a fool.
Veritas Army takes to local radio stations – Part 4 coming Monday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akBFdpszhtc
Oct 3, 2021
Project Veritas
Meanwhile, Govt Propaganda Troll Farmers are so busy stalking & snipping at average Joe individuals they personally hate, that they won’t even take the time to look up & see the armies coming for them.
Yes. And that would work so well on a gravel down hill track, let alone one with changing camber and uneven surfaces – unlike Nurburgring.
Apply significant braking force directly to the wheels in those situations and see how far you get.
Ahahahaaaaaa. Wise advice indeed, particularly for those who’ve only ever driven in Westfield carparks and freeways.
Truly, truly funny stuff.
Makka says:
October 3, 2021 at 12:18 pm
Gez,
People like you were similarly intimidated by the steam train.
I’ll put my order in for an EV tractor then?
We’ve got electronics running out our wazoo on the farm now.
It’s showing intent. To intimidate , bully and oppress. Just what we need in a domestic Police force. This isn’t a fkg theatre of a shooting war.
VikStasi apologists all need to to be put in the same sticking hole to rot with their blackshirt mates.
Any chance of you or Dover posting the whole Article for the rest of us?
Those “couple of gems” alone, were too important to die forgotten under the eternal EV debate.
Besides, it would also be good to prepared to take on the Jab Pushers who’ll inevitably want to “debunk” it.
Mining and quarrying equipment manufacturers offer all electric variants . It’s not an overnight transformation. Even down on the farm you’ve heard of a trend I’d guess.
“The problem, Cassie, is that Monica has no bucket of cash, a la the Fat Bastard’s mining royalties backing Craig Kelly, so her little protest party will just fizzle and die.”
I know Tom and I was thinking that whilst I watched her, perhaps she should join Fat Bastard’s party?
She’s no match for booming state spending and the circa 150 billion in new state debt that Daniel Andrews is using, alongside his daily fear campaign, to guarantee his landslide state election victory in 2022.
Yep, so depressing and with the Victorian Liberals and their “new” (LOL) leader, Matthew Groundhog Guy flapping away in the wind, the victory will be inevitable.
I think it’s funny that A Suggestion is calling Areff a fool.
I don’t think A Suggestion knows who Areff is.
On the other hand A Suggestion is entirely correct about regenerative braking.
Sorry Roger… 😀
It’s not even that Rex, assuming that you’re talking about the brief frenzy that a harbinger of doom posted up on Gab the other day.
It’s not VicJack Inc. Wrong type, wrong setup, wrong font on the lettering, wrong spacing, wrong wrong and wrong. It’s a cheapie available from Chai-nerr on teh webs.
Makka says:
October 3, 2021 at 12:43 pm
I’ll put my order in for an EV tractor then?
Mining and quarrying equipment manufacturers offer all electric variants . It’s not an overnight transformation. Even down on the farm you’ve heard of a trend I’d guess.
Now you’re just being silly.
What major mining or quarrying equipment runs solely on lithium batteries?
We Have Forgotten How to Think
Oct 3, 2021
Discernable
A rare opinion piece from me in response to The Age’s official stance today which was full of bankrupt thinking.
They are not engaging in journalism. They are doing something else. Neither am I but at least I’m not lying to myself or to you about it.
The intellectually corrupt piece: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/we-ve-come-too-far-to-fall-to-pieces-now-20211001-p58wjw.html
Just landed back in Darwin via JetStar.
“Welcome to country” when we landed.
Oh for deities sake.
We are to ignore all the years of research and practical development of vehicles simply because we change the power plant to electric. We could build an electric Range Rover, with all its off road capabilities, simply by changing the power plant. Ditto, for tractors etc.
In your situation, in the bush, I very much doubt you will be inflicted with EV’s for a long time. It just does not make sense out there.
In the city, EV’s are extremely sensible and desirable and will replace ICE.
He may well be Bruce. In a flat, even environment. Like a car park.
Areff mentioned wet, slippery downhill High Country slopes. Rely on brake pressure applied directly to wheels there and you’ll be going downhill a lot quicker than you intended, with some attractive spinny bits in between.
srr, put the title of the article on google and it will come up in full
“Covid hysteria based on lies, propaganda and ignorance.”
There are a couple of suitably shithouse-most-of-the-year islands in Bass Strait,
perfect for a well earned marooning.
Dump him on one with a pallet of Fray Bentos corned beef.
You can’t read Gez. I said all electric variants and not necessarily battery powered.
Autos manufacturers are going battery powered as I stated before.
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/auto-tech/evs-are-the-future-a-list-of-all-carmakers-who-have-decided-to-phase-out-ice-vehicles-and-go-electric-9744401.html
That list just grows.
However , Cat are making underground mining equipment that is battery powered so are other manufacturers. Terex are making battery powered quarrying and crushing variants. Try google .
I go back to my original comment about the fire risk of lithium batteries.
This comment is based on the actual experience in workshops of high priced EV’s from a neighbour whose son works in said garages and is an engineer by training but is a rev head by choice.
The conversation with my neighbour was started because we were at the fire shed for training and the issue of lithium batteries in cars and for solar was raised as a big risk in attending fires.
‘Churches Should Be Standing Up’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1WAHgicRw
Oct 2, 2021
Discernable
Here is a strange combination – an Australian whose family lives in Melbourne, but pastors a church in the USA – calling for churches to stand up for human rights currently being challenged by governments.
Thanks for responding on my behalf, KD. Slipped off to make a cuppa and, as they do, up pops a smartarse.
The putz is welcome to take his little green regenerative-breaker down Son of a Bitch track anytime he wants. Just let me know so I can watch.
We’ll leave fording the Wonnangatta for another day
Interesting story for an inquisitive journalist.
How deadly is your vax?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZZ28unG4CE
P says:
October 3, 2021 at 12:56 pm
srr, put the title of the article on google and it will come up in full
“Covid hysteria based on lies, propaganda and ignorance.”
Thanks P.
I’m too used to most of Australia’s Newspapers being paywalled.
inquisitive journalist.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Funny old world this new world.
It’s sunny, so wifey and the pooch were sitting on the front steps out the front of the house. I drove home and saw her talking to the very nice gay girl through the fence from the flats across the street. A short while later our (female) dog walker walks past with her girlfriend and they all got chatting.
I have a little experience with workshops too. As well as mining equipment and there applications and regardless of what rev heads in garages opine here and there, there is no way fkg known that new tech UG mining equipment even gets a look in for deployment without many thousands of hours of R&D , certifications compliance, a mountain of safety compliance and verification and live testing.
I don’t expect a farmer in the bush to keep up with all that but these things do move on and at rather a quickening pace in my experience.
Interesting, revert to invective when you cannot refute the argument. Any vehicle you can currently take down said track, can be converted to electric with no loss of function. QED.
Makka says:
October 3, 2021 at 12:57 pm
What major mining or quarrying equipment runs solely on lithium batteries?
You can’t read Gez. I said all electric variants and not necessarily battery powered.
Gee you don’t say.
Trains have whopping big diesel motors that power electric motors for drives but that doesn’t make them EV.
Strangely I can’t find an excavator or dump truck that is battery powered.
The technology is not there yet and won’t be for some unknown time, just saying it’s coming doesn’t change the issues that emergency services or mechanics have to deal with now.
Eh?
I don’t have a dog in this fight.
In any case, political will, $$$ and technology R&D will overcome these impediments over time. The ICE days are numbered.
Pushing physics up a hill with a pointy stick.
You’re wrong. My mates are working on them now underground.
DOn’t know as there is no long term safety data that is usually provided after years of clinical trials with vaccines.
As long as wife doesn’t jump the fence JC
And typing words doesn’t mean you have the faintest clue about mining or mining equipment either.
Indeed.
Makka says:
October 3, 2021 at 1:13 pm
The technology is not there yet
You’re wrong. My mates are working on them now underground.
Suddenly the topic moves away from independently driven machinery to cable powered underground gear.
My mates have worked underground too.
I knew domestic US gas, which trades on futures and goes through what’s called the Henry Hub Terminal, trading at like US$1.7 for the longest time . Well it’s range with short term spikes was higher but since around 2010 it settled below 2 bucks.
It’s trading at US$5.55 now. This spike could really leave a mark. Meanwhile Dementia in the White House is closing down oil&gas exploration on federal lands. The US government owns 30% of the Unites States. Criminal fuckhead.
I made a joke about Jiminy Cricket Makka and you’ve gone full areshole.
Take a good look at yourself.
Not sure if this has been posted?
Again, a scifi nightmare. Patented tyranny. Exactly as Struth predicted.
Rosie, no fear of that at all as long as I’m the hubby.
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I don’t have any mates, but if I did, they’d also work underground.
Oh it will convert all right.
It will convert into a mangled fireball, decorated with bits of skull and intestines from the driver.
It depends on what you mean by ‘function’ because you need engine braking to descend such slopes, and on such surfaces to avoid the abovementioned scenario. Direct application of braking to the wheels will not cut it because physics gets in the way.
I appreciate that you’re only approaching this from Straight Level Dry And Flat Land in Theory County though.
Gabsays:
October 3, 2021 at 12:11 pm
nor any authority over the ADF.
Who said anything about the ADF?
He has even less authority over foreign armed forces.
I see the discussion has evolved from ‘you’re just a farmer, even down on the farm’ to ‘yeah but my mates work underground because there’s a big extension cord’.
“Government propaganda – because there is no other way to describe it – has deliberately tried to scare people senseless and hence to distort their relative-risk assessments. That has been a clear and unmistakeable goal, including of all the daily press conferences with the breathless recitation of cases by politicians without an ounce of concern for freedom-related issues, and by public-health types.
And for once, government seems to have got something right because its Covid scaremongering has been very successful.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/covid-hysteria-based-on-lies-propaganda-and-ignorance/news-story/b95a651fc3b98e76235621ecfdfe936a
I’ll add that the Govt couldn’t have been anywhere near as successful at pushing the Pro-Jab Propaganda if they hadn’t have first invested heavily in buying Union Bosses, Big Businesses, Social Media Influencers and “Whisper Marketers”, those people employed to not let anyone know (including their nearest & dearest), that they get paid to “Nudge” Opinions in the Govt Mandated Direction in their everyday conversations.
His mandates are not law and contravene the Australian Constitution. What makes you think Andrews would not bring in a private force?
Yeah sure. 2 kms of HV cable snaking underground around corners, down shafts etc connected to mobile equipment isn’t a risk at all. Best to stay on the ram, where all “agricultural” solutions belong.
https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/caterpillar-unveils-first-battery-electric-lhd-underground-loader/
This is over, you haven’t a clue.
Rosie
I’m with Queen Vickie on this one. I believe there are confused girls, but there’s no such thing as lesbians. You need to have at least one person in a coupling to have a penis. You cannot have sex without a penis.
Mak-
the only manufacturer in that article who has stated that they are fully phasing out of ICE and into 10% EVs is Volvo.
And that’s Volvo Automotive, not Volvo Marine or Heavy Vehicles.
Only other is Mini, and that’s a badge within a brand.
Volvo and Mini… hahahahahahajajhahajahajah
Volvo 100% EVs dammmit
‘Yeah but it’s a really big extension cord.’
Then we could attach one to a scarifier or a combine working 12,000 acres then, because that is where this discussion started.
Right?
Another ignoramus. At least my mates actually work for a living. Unlike your low life cop mates.
Keep reading, city boy doofus.
L-Arginine Cuts Length of Hospital Stay, Exercise Boosts ? Immunity
“The second problem has been all the models relied upon by the supine political class. It started with the Neil Ferguson modelling coming out of Imperial College in London and spread out from there.
No one in the press corps seems to care that Professor Ferguson has had an unbroken track record of massively wrong predictions with his models, prophesying things that came nowhere near reality. In 2002, his models predicted 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease). In the event there were 177 deaths.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/covid-hysteria-based-on-lies-propaganda-and-ignorance/news-story/b95a651fc3b98e76235621ecfdfe936a
Neil Ferguson isn’t the only problem with Imperial Collage, he’s just a glowing red poster child example of it’s problems.
Another mouth from Queensland, yowling like a kelpie on the top deck of a cattle truck not realising it’s on a leash. It never ends.
Point me to just one example where I’ve backed the current crop of dickheads in VicJack Inc up, Makka.
One will do. Happy to wait.
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Gabsays:
October 3, 2021 at 1:23 pm
His mandates are not law and contravene the Australian Constitution. What makes you think Andrews would not bring in a private force?
He still can’t declare Martial Law, though he could declare a state dictatorship.
Of course they don’t care.
He’s a gift to them.
Prognostications of doom sell papers/attract clicks.
not much difference between state of emergency and martial law
This is over, you haven’t a clue.</em
The article said the underground machine is in “proof of concept” phase.
See, I can read.
You’re right,I haven’t a clue of how this relates to the fire issue with lithium batteries.
Thanks for this Dover –
Carla @carla_aust · 3h
https://twitter.com/carla_aust
Hopefully more Drs, nurses and paramedics start speaking up.
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Sebastian Gorka DrG @SebGorka · 14h
One doctor reveals how they are hiding the TRUTH!
https://twitter.com/carla_aust
(I’m not on Twitter so can’t link directly to individual Tweets; just scroll down from Carla’s Twitter Home address)
Knuckle Dragger says:
October 3, 2021 at 1:33 pm
Another mouth from Queensland
I’m in Nazi land and Makka’s got the shits.
Makka is correct.
It doesn’t matter re: battery fires.
Biden had pushed for this, top down, come hell or high water.
As for farming, expect to get another 10-20 years from your header. The after market spares trade will moon.
Yeah … and if your situation gets really hairy … you can apply the regenerative hand-brake
or chock the wheels with a unicorn horn
Ladies please , it’s not that sort of blog.
I heard that line from EV pushers in the 1960s,
If you wait long enough, anything can happen.
4th law
You are literally Hitler, Hitler Gez.
Carla @carla_aust · 17h
IT’S COMING OUT, Melbourne Nurse lets cat out of the bag.
https://youtu.be/arz5YbfgcF8 via @YouTube
Just as I was saying in my last tweet but this is from a Nurse in Melbourne. Not 1 mention if the vax side effects from the host!
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20 people an HOUR are presenting at Emergency with Chest Pains & other problems AFTER Jabs.
Radio host is suggesting they DON’T go to hospital.
I still can’t make a doctors appointment without the First Message being, ‘If you have chest pains or any of those heart attack symptoms, to Hang Up & Call 000’. So what, bugger the Jabbed, they’re targeted for death anyway?
The nurse also say they aren’t allowed to talk about any of these problems. Can’t talk, can’t fix.
I couldn’t get from our place to Melbourne without charging at least once. And I reckon I would need three full charges to go down there for a day, do a little bit of running around and drive back.
At a minimum of one hour a charge.
Fuck that.
One unintended upside consequence is that virtue signalling European manufacturers might sell off their ICE technology for a song to, say, a Korean company which might mean top end ICE engines are going into cars for bugger all.
Talk about alternatives, looking at off-grid options.
Solar cells > hydrogen / oxygen generator > Spark ignition ICE genset? (100kva approx.)
Whatever the system is it needs to be able to handle relatively short duration but significant loads.
How about we electrify the Indian-Pacific first? Get rid of the diesel part. Huh? Huh?
Declare it, no.
Exercise it, yes.
You don’t think that armoured trucks patrolling the streets, “kettling”, armed storm troopers, firing at crowds, and physical violence against peaceful protesters is anything but a trial run for Martial Law under a “legal” name, then you are kidding yourself.
Has anyone else put this report on India up yet?
https://rumble.com/vn8v7a-india-govt.-declares-most-populated-state-officially-covid-free-after-wides.html
Was watching an old clip of Malcolm Turnbull on Outsiders this morning. He was explaining that Snowy 2.0 will work by using cheap night-time electricity when there’s little demand, to pump all that water back up the hill.
How’s that going to work when 20 million cars plug into the system to recharge their batteries overnight?
Electric cars are crap but the elite will attempt to force them on people anyway. Another silly argument is they are go in the city but not in the country. Lotsa drivers drive in the city and the country often on the same day every day.
Insults masquerading as argument wins the day yet again.
I have great respect for those who live and work in the bush, however this is making me wonder if my respect is misplaced.
I was making an historical reference, mostly to the potential political fallout, rather than suggesting it was a present reality.
Zipster:
Sun Tzu:
“War is the entire spectrum of human endeavor.”
Winston Smith:
“Until we wake up to the fact China is at war with us, we will continue to lose.”
The other Winston:
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
What we have in Victoria is Therapeutic Law. Therapeutic law involves the temporary substitution of health authority for the rule of law and is usually invoked during a ‘health’ emergency. When therapeutic law is in effect, the Chief Health Officer of an area or country has unlimited authority to make and enforce its own health orders.
Beautiful model wearing next to nothing stands right in front of you. What does your normal red blooded male do?
Get into trouble that’s what.
Emily Ratajkowski said the R&B singer Robin Thicke grabbed her bare breasts while they were filming the video for the 2013 song Blurred Lines.
She was one of three models who appeared semi-naked in a video alongside Thicke
I’m sure the 2013 incident being made public now has nothing to do with boosting sales of Emily’s upcoming book.
JC have you booked your trip to New York yet?
If not why not?
Interesting use of that phrase. Emily is photographed wearing just a g-string bikini bottom.
Statistically speaking, I’d call Emily “99% naked”.
Herald sun at it again following the narrative _ Ivermectin ( is a drug for animals ) .Sheesh how many drugs used on animals are used on humans as well, hundreds, thousands?
I’ve posted before about the propaganda and bs surrounding the “collapsing” Vic Healthcare system and unionised jockeying for more members benefits.
This crap popped up in my spam folder;
429 covid cases in hospital, 89 in ICU.
Brandon Fan Poso Chequered flag
@JackPosobiec
*Spouses*
Largest Louisiana health system fines employees with unvaccinated spouses
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1444493520602009605
They are cheaper to run, much less parts to maintain, motors last much longer
For the same payload they need to carry a half a tonne or so of batteries. This requires a heavier structure and suspension, larger brakes (regenerative braking notwithstanding) and the tyres and brakes will wear more quickly. Cheap to run depends on electricity price and calendar time/charge cycles on battery. As BoN has shown, currently in Australia electric vs petrol is about line ball.
In the modern era (since the 1960’s) electric was about preventing pollution in cities which was defined as CO, NOx, hydrocarbon vapours and particulates. CO2 and water vapour were not regarded as pollutants.
Most modern cars have motors that have spark plug changes at many, many tens of thousands of
kilometers and the rest of the car falls to bits before or around the time the motor/transmission is cactus.
Many things are possible in the physical sense but engineering is about finding cheap, reliable ways to do things. This we have done with IC cars and they are still improving, largely because of the addition of a few electronic sensors and not very fancy control microprocessors.
This is all going to be thrown away. Sure electric has fine motors (full of fancy expensive metals, not steel and aluminium), excellent electronics (much of it needed to prevent damage to the batteries) and brakes and suspension were long ago sorted but batteries remain an issue.
Last time I looked I could buy some aerospace grade solid state lithium cells but while the energy storage was excellent (>300 ) watt-hours/kilogram, the power (discharge rate) was quite low (discharge over 3 hours, no greater) and the cycle life was only about 100 cycles before getting to 80% of new capacity. They would need to be cheap and easily re-cyclable to be a goer.
No doubt this will improve but you are up against basic electrochemistry and all the energy producing ingredients are in the battery making it “interesting” (as in of God, oh God we’re all gunna die) in an accident.
“Yo fellow music video director, you want one these b!tches get their ya-yas out?”
“Hell yeah, ask the one who can’t dance, she be the cheapest.”
“ThatswhatI’msaying, she done already volunteer bro”
I’ve gone with the mestel SGE 400/3 BB. 3x40mm nato ports.
strange times indeed
SRR: the best part of that 3AW audio was the idiot hostess saying that people just aren’t up to knowing if they need medical attention!
I’m sadly disappointed in 3AW’s drift to woke conformity. It was always the palatable alternative to 774 and RN. No longer. Should I need curtains they won’t be from the Blind Factory, likewise for Frank Walker’s tiles.
As an experiment, call up, get on air and say the magic word ‘ivermectin’ and you’ll disappear faster than Mandrake and Lothar could ever make happen.
The word must have gone out, because I haven’t heard ivermectin uttered on Sky for at least a month.
Take 2, correctly posted this time…
Cats, regarding regenerative/dynamic braking-
An electric motor certainly does work at a generator to convert kinetic into electrical energy when the flow of are reversed.
However, it also generates excess energy in the form of heat.
A battery can only absorb so much charge and on top of that, it generates a lot of heat.
On my locomotives, this heat is dissipated by transferring it into a honking great resistor grid on the roof, with some equally big fans blowing air over it to clear the heat out. Use it for long periods of time at very high rates of retardation (Laugh on- I too was shocked to find this is actuslly the correct technical term) and it will shut down or explode. Here is what a tired loco looks like when its dynamic grid lets go, and launches its dyno fan away like a big, lethal frisbee:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mCk21G2LR-M
Now, Roy Hill has just taken delivery of several GE Flex locos- Rolling battery stores that are designed to recharge themselves taking loaded trains down the Chichesters with 38,000t of ore, and expend themselves to help lift the empty trains going up. However, they are being bought to supplement the GE EVO diesel electric locos Roy Hill uses on its trains- Replacing one of the three 4500+ HP units in each. And primarily as a fuel-saving measure.
Good luck trying to incorporate suitably beefy dynamic braking and heat dissipation/sinking into the average car or truck, where the available cubic space and mass is always at a premium and payload is king…
I see the problem. You mistakenly believe that costs, metallurgy and technology will drive outcomes. It won’t and doesn’t. Not now. Politics will, and that will win out.
No one in the press corps seems to care that Professor Ferguson has had an unbroken track record of massively wrong predictions with his models…
Following the Tim Flannery playbook
Emily Ratajkowski said the R&B singer Robin Thicke grabbed her bare breasts while they were filming the video for the 2013 song Blurred Lines.
Given this one has an historical predilection for getting them out in favour of her pet (usually leftist) cause[s] du jour, I dunno what to think…
Politics will, and that will win out.
Worked for Adolf with his Tigers, King Tigers, Jagdtigers and Elefant/Ferdinands.
Also went superbly well for the Trabant…
Dover is great.
Aha!
https://www.australianmining.com.au/features/sparking-change-through-electrification/
Have a read and try to understand the forces in motion.
What you lard heads don’t understand is that ESG investing, Govts and bonus focussed execs are driving the adoption of battery and mine electrification applications. Batteries are just one aspect. So deployment and future planning is real and are now a fact of life. Regardless of what you backward ninnies might think.
That means this is a TREND. An early stage one but growing significantly with bigger operators. It has it’s obstacles, challenges and technical hurdles. But still,new projects increasingly will adopt this TREND because they won’t attract the capital they need if they don’t and execs want those bonuses. Without a doubt there will be setbacks, but the TREND it will remain. Existing mines will gradually and deliberately adopt this TREND also as they expand and require new capital to operate and expand LOM. As the TREND grows, new services will grow up around the equipment, parts and servicing revenues this TREND will generate which will facilitate increasingly easy adoption and cost mitigation.
Nobody is saying that this will mature overnight or this decade. But in 20-30 years battery powered equipment and the electrification of mines and mining equipment will be a very common , possibly mandatory situation.
Hopefully nuclear power will have a role in all this.
You mistakenly believe that costs, metallurgy and technology will drive outcomes. It won’t and doesn’t. Not now. Politics will, and that will win out.
Ultimately, politics is constrained by reality. The next few decades will be “interesting”.
Toadeater!
Just because some people with an agenda pushed a bandwagon into motion, does not mean that a) it is a good thing, b) it is going somewhere, let alone somewhere constructive, and c) it is a good idea to jump on it.
Reliable electrics in an underground mine make sense. That has been the pattern for over 70 years- GEMCO in Perth (as one example) once built battery-electric mining tramway locos for applications all over Australia and the world.
About the only people who have the money to burn on such things as pre electric haulpacks and so forth are the iron ore miners. And only while the prices are good…
Nothing new under the sun.
I was reading a bit of stuff earlier, and came across the opening lines of Dickens’ Hard Times:
Mr. Gradgrind, who spake thusly, later turned out to a purveyor of lies and half-truths.
So many current parallels.
Fred: “Hey Bob, waddya say we go down to the park to rough up and terrorize a few grannies?”
Bob: “Nah. We need to get a few traffic infringements in the book. Where the phug have all the cars gone?”
Fred: “Ok then. But just a quick pass of the pregnant sheela’s place. Slap her around and then head off to do traffic? How does that sound?”
Bob: “Sounds good. But donuts first!”
pre
should read pure.
Makka
I see the problem. You mistakenly believe that costs, metallurgy and technology will drive outcomes. It won’t and doesn’t. Not now. Politics will, and that will win out.
Did you post as “Stu” on donaitkin.com, before it folded?
Govts also mandated sewerage systems, public health and education, outlawed slavery, conscription to oppose H and the Japanese Empire, dropped the Bomb twice. So your argument is just waffle in that respect.
I’m just recognizing what is happening and why in this space. It’s not rocket science to see where this is all headed globally, unless your head is buried in your arse of course.
Hopefully nuclear power will have a role in all this.
This is its only hope for real success.
No Boambee.
Eyrie
Ultimately, politics is constrained by reality. The next few decades will be “interesting”.
Politics is the art of the possible. It is not irreversible – see Froggie submarines.
Absolutely. I fear the “good guys” are in for a hiding. Hopefully I’m wrong, or at least losing won’t mean too much cost or inconvenience.
Knuckles, after years of indoctrinating his children, Gradgrind looks for sympathy and love and finds none.
The greatest protection against covid-passport apartheid will be, as usual, the galloping incompetence of governments. Below, a post from Facebook’s ‘I live in Altona’ group:
James Henderson
I was looking at where to get a Covid test for a job, so I open up the Victorian Government website and find this:
According to the map on the site, Mobiltown Station (although now a bridge and closed and long gone since 1985) is still there……
This fills me with confidence.
It is not irreversible – see Froggie submarines.
There was never much public support for the Frog subs. In fact I’d say a lot of public opposition (excluding SA) so it was badly on the nose from the start. Ditching it was easy politically.
A “green future” though? To varying degrees it’s an increasingly popular theme (like ESG) and every year tens of thousands new voters (millions globally) hit the rolls with their heads full of it. Demographics is politics I reckon.