Open Thread – Mon 4 Oct 2021


The Little Tower of Babel, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1563

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John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 2:31 pm

1Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA, E-mail:
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2Naturopathic Oncology, Immersion Health, Portland, OR 97214, USA

Eddystone,

Demonstrating my bias the author credentials don’t fill me with confidence. mRNA shuttles from the nucleus to the ER with an instruction set for protein production. I’m not aware of mRNA changing DNA but I don’t much about that process.

The other warning sign is the lengthy introduction covering the basis material. Typically that is done by footnote referencing but their method helps pad out the paper.

Adjuvants, Polyethylene Glycol, and Anaphylaxis
Adjuvants are vaccine additives intended to “elicit distinctive immunological profiles with regard to
the direction, duration, and strength of immune responses” from the vaccines to which they are
added (Liang et al., 2020). Alum or other aluminum compounds are most commonly utilized in
traditional vaccines, and they elicit a wide range of systemic immune activation pathways as well as
stromal cell activation at the site of the injection (Lambrecht et al., 2009; Danielsson & Eriksson,
2021).

Adjuvants can have 3 functions: to increase an inflammatory response so as to enhance vaccine efficacy, to stabilise the antigens in the vaccine, and to allow a longer exposure time of the antigen to the immune system.

The problem with their argument is that the antibody generation by the vaccines is going to be the same antibody response to infection.

The classic model of DNA ? RNA ? protein is now known to be false. It is now
indisputable that there is a large class of viruses called retroviruses that carry genes that reverse
transcribe RNA back into complementary DNA (cDNA).

That’s a straw man. Retroviruses are old news.

Bruce in WA
October 6, 2021 2:32 pm

Rex

Ain’t no gunsmith cat, but reasonably sure the Soviet DShK/DShKM equivalent is 12.7 x 108 mm.

Edit: Yep

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 2:35 pm

…quite apart from all the other potential health risks, the spike proteins in the vaccines can directly cause Covid.

Impossible. The spike protein RNA is one small part of the virus and doesn’t contain the replication machinery.

johanna
johanna
October 6, 2021 2:35 pm

Fair Work, which used to concentrate on re-instating drunks and people who assaulted workmates, has pivoted on a Krugerrand to being the bosses’ best pal:

Fruit producer SPC has been cleared of any wrongdoing by WorkSafe Victoria after the company decided to mandate the COVID-19 vaccine for its staff.
Key points:

SPC’s CEO says concerns were raised that the company had not properly consulted with staff before making the decision
More than 99 per cent of SPC staff have now either had a first jab, second jab or booked an appointment
Worksafe says it made inquiries to ensure occupational health and safety obligations were being met

In August, SPC announced the Shepparton-based cannery wanted all of its 450 onsite workers to be fully vaccinated by November.

SPC CEO Robert Giles said concerns were raised to WorkSafe Victoria that the company had not properly consulted with its staff before making the decision, but said the safety commission found no evidence the business had breached any rules.

“We’re really pleased. We thought we’d done the right thing,” Mr Giles said.

“They [WorkSafe] wanted to go through all of our documentation, our processes, our policies, in relation to the decision and how we engaged with our staff after that.

“On reviewing, they found that we’ve absolutely met our obligations around consultation and had an open and two-way process with our employees.”

Any residual belief that Australian unions give a stuff about their members has been trashed in the last 18 months. Not one of them has stood up for their members’ rights to privacy and body autonomy.

The same goes for ‘advocates’ for the disabled, the elderly, Aborigines etc. Their sole focus has been to get their clients in the queue shuffling towards the injection centre.

Just in case there are any slip-ups, Fair Work is there as a backstop.

What obliging little puppets they all are.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 2:36 pm

Adam Creighton in the Paywallian:

Covid restrictions make the case for a bill of rights

This is the best way forward.

As I observed yesterday, Tom, any proposed constitutional reforms won’t survive a referendum.

Worth mentioning that John Howard’s objection to a Bill of Rights back in the ’90swas that it would reduce the power available to politicians.

Good!

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 2:36 pm

Dotsays:
October 6, 2021 at 11:20 am
Gab and areff are right.

Your doctor cannot give frank advice.

Best advice I ever received from a doctor: Listen to your body.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 2:36 pm

True, Dot. That’s because it is worse than Tulip Mania. A reoccurrence of the tulip fad would not, for example, crash a nation’s electricity grid. BitCoin just might. I believe it has gone close to doing so a few times.

Address the points I made!

Tulip Mania, less than 12 months.

BTC, has existed since 2008.

Legal tender in Japan.

Extensive cryptocurrency lending markets.

Block chain will replace current trust mechanisms in banking, insurance and conveyancing.

This is nothing like Tulip Mania!

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 2:37 pm

Sounds like the latest James Bond is a winner.

The loony left media –in the form of Anthony Galloway, the foreign affairs and national security “reporter” at the SMH*, whose round evidently covers writing film reviews – says Daniel Craig’s Bond is “pointless”.

That’ll do me. Can’t wait to see it.

*Hadn’t been there for ages as they stopped reporting news 20 years ago. Feelthebern sent me there to look at a story I’ve already forgotten about.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
October 6, 2021 2:44 pm

Roger says:
October 6, 2021 at 2:36 pm
Adam Creighton in the Paywallian:

Covid restrictions make the case for a bill of rights
This is the best way forward.

As I observed yesterday, Tom, any proposed constitutional reforms won’t survive a referendum.

Worth mentioning that John Howard’s objection to a Bill of Rights back in the ’90swas that it would reduce the power available to politicians.

Good!

Good indeed, but James Allan makes compelling arguments (in the Speccie and occasionally in The Oz) against a Bill of Rights and, as a constitutional lawyer and fierce conservative, I defer to his wisdom.

Gilas
Gilas
October 6, 2021 2:53 pm

TLR Agonists and Other Adjuvants

Are these used in humans? Do you have a reference?
In oncology, the time-gap between mouse-model and human trials is approximately 20 years. Conversion from animal to human effectiveness is well under 20%, last time I looked.

Apoptosis can be mediated both intra-cellularly and by TLRs

Again, some old in-vitro and animal-model, mostly mice, studies.
Probably useless in the clinical setting.
I long-ago stopped holding my breath that this pre-clinical stuff would translate into useful real-world benefit for practicing clinicians.

And, AFAIK, TLRs are not part of the COVID pseudo-vaxes.. yet.

Happy to be corrected.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 2:56 pm

Good indeed, but James Allan makes compelling arguments (in the Speccie and occasionally in The Oz) against a Bill of Rights and, as a constitutional lawyer and fierce conservative, I defer to his wisdom.

The role of a Bill of Rights as I envisage it is to “lock in” certain fundamental human rights that parliaments or judges could not then override. These rights are not granted by the document, rather the document recognises them as inherently vested in the human condition. I think Allan could be pursuaded to support such a document.

Woolfe
Woolfe
October 6, 2021 2:58 pm

Hey Callie Isn’t medical data protected by law, you know sacred between patient and my doctor? If so how did the dictator #ScottyfromMarketing get hold of it?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 2:59 pm

Neilson

Just as I don’t like India because of your claim that it doesn’t side with my view, the same fucking argument applies to you the opposite way. However, I have more credibility on my side when people are dredging up India as a virtue.

It could very well be that covid retreated for other reasons there.

Their studies are worth shit to the west because they’re unreliable .

As bad as it is at the moment , western science is all there is. Let me also go a little further and weed out the riff raff. I don’t trust anything coming outside the United States and perhaps a smidgeon out of Britain although I’m happy to close the book on the UK too.

Keep in mind when replying that my comment is made in relative terms and not absolute.

twostix
twostix
October 6, 2021 3:02 pm

Americans have a bill of rights and were still locked into their houses and banned from moving and forced into face muzzles – and in many cases carried on worse than Australians about it all.

Words on paper matter little, it’s the spiritual health of the nation that matters. A godless, materialistic and nihilist nation will not sustain a robust raucous public space and free nation.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:03 pm

Otherwise, we’re at the mercy of politicians and the judiciary.

We’ve seen ample evidence in recent years – even apart from covid -that that is not a good place to be!

And the various so called “human rights” bodies are useless; on that Allan and I would certainly agree.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:06 pm

Words on paper matter little, it’s the spiritual health of the nation that matters. A godless, materialistic and nihilist nation will not sustain a robust raucous public space and free nation.

Words on paper matter quite a lot when they carry legal force.

But you are correct, they cannot redeem a fallen people.

The founding fathers of the US recognised this when they observed that the republic they founded would only survive if the people remained virtuous.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 6, 2021 3:07 pm

johanna says:
October 6, 2021 at 2:35 pm

Any residual belief that Australian unions give a stuff about their members has been trashed in the last 18 months. Not one of them has stood up for their members’ rights to privacy and body autonomy.

Big Unions, Big Gov and Big Business all sat down to feast on the serfs and small businesses.

Bob Hawke’s “Accord” in action, what an ugly beast it is.

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 3:08 pm

Why am I reminded of that comment from a couple of months ago of the vaxxed having crossed the Rubicon?

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 3:08 pm

Americans have a bill of rights and were still locked into their houses and banned from moving and forced into face muzzles – and in many cases carried on worse than Australians about it all.

Words on paper matter little, it’s the spiritual health of the nation that matters. A godless, materialistic and nihilist nation will not sustain a robust raucous public space and free nation.
Correct and people are still rotting in shitty DC jails without trial because of their politics. Coup d’etat indeed.

P
P
October 6, 2021 3:10 pm

Plenary voices
By Philippa Martyr -October 6, 2021

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 6, 2021 3:18 pm

The conventional wisdom, however dubiously founded, appears to be that “earlier, harder and longer” lockdowns are the optimal way to respond to viruses.
From Creighton in the Oz. I’m surprised that he did not emphasise that this is the Dictator’s Delusion- that their action is correct by kind, but incorrect by degree.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
October 6, 2021 3:20 pm

I doubt very much that Prof Allan would be persuaded to endorse a Bill of Rights. Such Bills of rights are cast aside in a so-called State of Emergency, as seen here in Victoriastan and also in the USA. Also, I don’t see how a BoR can co-exist without a Bill of Responsibilities, but that is another debate.

James Allan makes his position, and reasons for it, quite clear.

As you may have guessed I am a career-long opponent of this trend. I have long opposed any sort of Bill of Rights because the evidence is plain. If you buy a bill of rights you are simply buying the policy druthers of the lawyerly caste while you give that caste a power to gainsay the policy choices of the legislature and of you, the voter.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/the-last-thing-we-need-is-a-bill-of-rights/

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 3:21 pm

Woolfe says:
October 6, 2021 at 2:58 pm

There’s a vaccination register. Once you’re vaxxed, you’re on it. For all I know, it’s connected to the Medicare card.

A simple matter of deduction.

I’m curious as to how I’m a risk to my grandchildren’s school.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:23 pm

Plenary voices
By Philippa Martyr -October 6, 2021

Thanks for that, P.

Philippa writes,

“It’s been hard to trust the Plenary Council process. That’s because in the past too many of us have seen similar processes manipulated by professional Catholics.

Their ‘findings’ have usually been carefully curated to present one view only. This view inevitably involved women’s ordination, married clergy, contraception, divorce and remarriage, and whatever other currently fashionable minority issues could be squeezed in.”

I’m not a Cathoic, but may I suggest these people join the Uniting Church, where they’ll feel perfectly at home.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 3:23 pm

The conventional wisdom, however dubiously founded, appears to be that “earlier, harder and longer” lockdowns are the optimal way to respond to viruses.

Well, we have two yuuuge sample sizes either side of the Murray River which would seem to indicate that hypothesis is a bucket of steaming horseshit.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 3:23 pm

The founding fathers of the US recognised this when they observed that the republic they founded would only survive if the people remained virtuous.

They didn’t even have to be virtuous, just value the virtues and aspire to them.

Now there is nothing, simply the Void.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:24 pm

James Allan makes his position, and reasons for it, quite clear.

On other occasions he’s admitted the merit of a minimalist Bill of Rights.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 3:29 pm

I’m curious as to how I’m a risk to my grandchildren’s school.

Exactly the same number of children will be run over at school pick-up by Reliant Robins as will die of Kung Flu.
There is one recorded Kung Flu death under 18 in this country, of a 15 year old who had encephalitis.
Now, even if Kung Flu was a partial contributor, that doesn’t warrant the current “sky is falling” stuff.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2021 3:29 pm

Tom,

The Critical Drinker reviews.

He notes that when it was first being talked about it the signs were not good – that it would be a lifeless lump of meat, killed by the patchwork of incompatible progressive fetishes grafted all over it.

But it turned out not to be so.

His conclusions? Watch and see.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:29 pm

Now there is nothing, simply the Void.

As you know, calli, there are many religioous folk in the US who value the legacy of their founding fathers. I’m not writing them off just yet.

Gab
Gab
October 6, 2021 3:33 pm

URGENT over 28,000 signatures now.
Petition parliament to remove the threat by AHPRA to doctors/healthcare workers, so they are able to give you uncensored medical advice.

Please sign & share, need 100,000 signatures to reach parliament.
https://aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3375

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 3:35 pm

No JC that’s not what I said at all. I said that masks don’t work for a virus which is 0.1 micron in size, because you can’t design a mask with pore sizes that small and still breathe through it.

Yes, I know. You got that from a study, which was later debunked. The virus needs water droplets in order to circulate, such as a sneeze or coughing plume. It latches onto droplets and then makes its move where air has limited circulation and doesn’t diffuse the virus. A mask is not going to help in a fucking phone booth or if you’re in a room with a person shedding like crazy with little airflow. But may does work in certain circumstances such as browsing around a store for instance.

The NF95s have a pore size around 3 microns as I recall. Which is thirty times bigger than the virus is.

Read the above, as this doesn’t matter.

I did say that masks can exclude bacteria, which are much bigger, and are the problem in surgical theatres, not viruses.

Actually, there’s no great scientific evidence they work in this environment either and you know why? The reason is that it’s almost impossible to devise a fucking study to prove masks work or don’t.

You have just shown that you don’t know much about science and that your memory is faulty.

No, I haven’t at all. I’ve just shown that you’re biased and nothing will change your bias. I said there is no fucking science that can prove it either way. The virus transmits by latching onto water droplets and not on its own. The only thing that’s left is to make a determination through risk management. Your science on this matter is debunked shit and you know nothing about it if you believe what you say.

Having said all that, I would opt for people to make their own determination about wearing masks and most certainly they are next to useless outside. You have biases and zero science on the subject, so stop pretending otherwise.

shatterzzz
October 6, 2021 3:36 pm

I still have the sh*t’s letter. Yep. I’m on the watch list of “anti-vaxxers”.

Sooooooooo jealous! .. I still haven’t received my I-luv- ya letter from BRADBURY ..
starting to wonder if it’s because not only am I not vaxxed but have never ever QR-ed/signed in anywhere so not showing up on health records?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 3:37 pm

Lode.
We am going to see it solely because we were in Matera when they were filleming it in 2019.
There will probably only be 23 seconds of recognisable footage, but that will be enough for me to piss everyone off by chattering on with a loud travelogue for the next five minutes.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 3:42 pm

Cassie:

No. The country is in the grip of mass hysteria…..an hysteria fomented by government and media and people, schools, corporations etc have lapped up the hysteria.

Cassie is right.
This came via government and its media arm – they did this to us as a pretext to further controlling us. God knows why, they’ve stuffed up everything they’ve ever had a hand in. I wonder what makes them think they’ll be a raging success at this?
So far Those Who Lead From Behind have not only painted themselves into a corner – without a bloody clue of how to get out – but have also managed to piss off most of Australia.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 3:46 pm

There’s a vaccination register. Once you’re vaxxed, you’re on it. For all I know, it’s connected to the Medicare card.

This is correct.
If you have a medicare number, your COVID vaccine status is loaded against it.

local oaf
October 6, 2021 3:47 pm

Old bloke says:
October 6, 2021 at 3:07 pm

johanna says:
October 6, 2021 at 2:35 pm

Any residual belief that Australian unions give a stuff about their members has been trashed in the last 18 months. Not one of them has stood up for their members’ rights to privacy and body autonomy.

Big Unions, Big Gov and Big Business all sat down to feast on the serfs and small businesses.

Bob Hawke’s “Accord” in action, what an ugly beast it is.

This is the standard definition of Fascism – Corporations, Unions and Political parties forming a cosy alliance to their mutual benefit.

eg CFMEU rakes in protection money from compliant corporations, gives money to their political protector Andrews, Andrews apportions favours to compliant corporations. Screw the rest of us!

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 3:47 pm

Perrottet in an interview today:

“Well naturally when you open up, case numbers will increase,” he said.

“Low case numbers are not the only point of success here, the vaccination rate has been incredibly successful, but the reality is, we’ve got to learn to live alongside the virus, it’s not going away.

“I want to premier of a state that is open and free, it’s not the role of the government to provide those freedoms, it’s in our innate nature as people born in our free country and we need to open up as safely as possible.

“We’ve invested in the health system, case numbers will go up but I’m incredibly confident that our health system is strong and ultimately we can’t just, every time the cases increase over time, close our state down, we need to be open we need to be free.”

I like the cut of his jib.

But I suspect that, over time, he’s going to be constrained by the “moderates”.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 3:48 pm

I made robust list of reasons last night why BTC is nothing like Tulip Mania.

Dot, apologies as I was busy last evening giving the self taught MIT engineer a decent whack over the ears and missed this discussion you wanted to advance.

Look, I’m too old perhaps to consider the value BTC has to offer, as I just don’t see it. I also think government like the US , EU, China , Japan and whomever else are not going to give away their power to determine monetary policy and the printing press. They will die in a ditch before that happens.

This is what makes me very very negative about BTC or any other free market currency regime outside of government control. From the 90s onward, the US basically broke the back of tax havens and didn’t stop until they fucked over Switzerland to give away the names of ALL non- Swiss residents who held bank accounts in Switzerland. I can’t see how you can have a currency regime like BTC without havens such as what there used to be in the Caribbean or Europe.

Keep in mind that in 2016, the Dutch wanted information from a stone walling Credit Suisse about Dutch holders of Swiss accounts in Switzerland. The Bank refused and the Dutch got the help of the NSA to break into the CS systems retrieve all the information. The NSA passed the information to the Dutch and the Dutch government then passed on all information pertaining to Swiss account in other domiciles such as Australia. Read up on it, it was in the AFR at the time.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 3:49 pm

Mutual Combat ie gang shoot out is a reason to avoid being charged in Chicago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/10/3/22707555/5-suspects-released-without-charges-deadly-shootout-austin

If you live in Chicago, you’re a moron.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2021 3:50 pm

Sancho,

Just keep ruining the magic by blurting out stuff that breaks the spell like, “You can’t see, but he is on wires” and “The explosion was not that loud. Must be special effects” and “That is a stunt driver” and “He’s much shorter in real life. Half the time he is walking about on Romper-Stompers”.

Or you could go the other way and say things that they would expect were not real. “He really smoked that cigarette” or “That was a real martini – you could smell the gin”.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 3:52 pm

JC, the only person you gave a whack over the ears to last night was yourself. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 3:55 pm

Rex

Ain’t no gunsmith cat, but reasonably sure the Soviet DShK/DShKM equivalent is 12.7 x 108 mm.

Edit: Yep

Thanks Bruce.

I knew it was a bigger cartride. I just couldn’t remember by how much.

.50s are good fun- Big solid HMG with a long reach. An absolute joy to use, though the breech block came apart in about 12 separate pieces, each quite tiny and involving some very fine springs and pins.

I couldn’t remember the part names, but pretty sure I can still fully strip, assemble and Final Function Test one without too much prompting…

#HappinessIsABelt-FedWeapon

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 3:56 pm

JC, considering the benefits that financial institutions will derive from blockchain, there is no putting the crypto genie back in the lamp.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 3:56 pm

Eyrie says:
October 6, 2021 at 3:52 pm

JC, the only person you gave a whack over the ears to last night was yourself. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?

Yea… Not an exhibit A from a absolutist fruitcake here at all, you evil intentioned c..t, Faulty 2.

I’ll laugh my arse off at your funeral and actually buy the Avgas to fly down and piss on your grave.

Any other Doc Mengles snippets from Market ticker, you scientist you. Now fuck off.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 3:57 pm

Gilassays:
October 6, 2021 at 2:53 pm
TLR Agonists and Other Adjuvants

Are these used in humans? Do you have a reference?
In oncology, the time-gap between mouse-model and human trials is approximately 20 years. Conversion from animal to human effectiveness is well under 20%, last time I looked.

Apoptosis can be mediated both intra-cellularly and by TLRs.

Again, some old in-vitro and animal-model, mostly mice, studies.
Probably useless in the clinical setting.
I long-ago stopped holding my breath that this pre-clinical stuff would translate into useful real-world benefit for practicing clinicians.

And, AFAIK, TLRs are not part of the COVID pseudo-vaxes.. yet.

Happy to be corrected.

Apoptosis is evolutionary very strongly conserved, even present in bacteria. For most cell death apoptosis is mediated by mitochondrial membrane pore permeability increase allowing the release of apaf, Bax, cytochrome C, and others I’m ignorant about which stimulates a caspase cascade leading to activation of p53.

Clinicians have different imperatives than people like myself. I would have been a hopeless clinician.

TLR occupation, often by bacterial components, and even endocytosis of heat shock protein 60, can generate apoptosis. There was a trend towards trying to prevent apoptosis in neurons as a means of preventing neurodegeneration but that can have an adverse effect because a sick cell releases inflammatory mediators which can damage neighbouring cells.

It’s damningly complicated. Sometimes TLR occupation can enhance cell survival. That depends on the particular TLR. Oncology has a particular interest in TLRs and apoptosis because immunogenic cell death leads to the phagocytosis of dead cancer cells which provides a host of antigens for DCs that can then prime T cells to go after immune cells which inject perforin into the live cancer cells that creates membrane lysis leading to cell death. It’s a nice little picture I’ve painted and it is simplistic.

This might interest you.
The apoptotic signaling pathway activated by Toll-like receptor-2

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html

CpG 1018
CpG 1018 is a recently developed adjuvant used in Heplisav-B vaccine. It is made up of cytosine phosphoguanine (CpG) motifs, which is a synthetic form of DNA that mimics bacterial and viral genetic material. When CpG 1018is included in a vaccine, it increases the body’s immune response.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41573-021-00163-y

Nevertheless, the past two decades have witnessed a revolution in our understanding of how the innate immune system senses microbes, which offers a huge opportunity for additional insights into adjuvant design and development. In the late 1990s, it was discovered that activation of receptors such as Toll-like receptors (TLRs) — which are typically expressed on dendritic cells (DCs) and sense highly conserved pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs)2,3,4 in microbes — results in activation of DCs, which stimulates antigen-specific T and B cell responses5,6,7,8. These discoveries provided strong experimental evidence for the major conceptual paradigm proposed by Charlie Janeway in 1989: that the innate immune system senses microbes through pattern recognition receptors (PRRs; such as TLRs) that recognize PAMPs and lead to activation of innate immune cells and the ensuing adaptive immune response9. In the decade following the discovery of TLRs, other innate PRRs (such as retinoic acid-inducible gene I (RIG-I) and other RNA sensors)10, DNA sensors (such as stimulator of interferon genes (STING) protein)11, C-type lectins12, nucleotide-binding oligomerization domain (NOD)-like receptors (NLRs) and cytosolic receptors — such as NLRP3, which activate the inflammasome13,14 — were also discovered and shown to impact adaptive immunity. Molecules that target these receptors are also being pursued as potential vaccine adjuvants15.

Despite these major recent advances, our mechanistic understanding of how the currently available adjuvants included in licensed vaccines actually function remains underdeveloped.


Appreciate your response. I make mistakes which is why I continually reference the primary material. Also a force of habit. I learnt something new looking this up so there is still hope for this aging brain.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 3:58 pm

Feelthbern:

The remarkable results, published in Nature Medicine today, raise the prospect of personalized treatments for people with severe mental illnesses that don’t respond to therapy or medication.

Wireheads, anyone?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 3:58 pm

JC, considering the benefits that financial institutions will derive from blockchain, there is no putting the crypto genie back in the lamp.

Yea, but blockchain doesn’t require a bitcoin crypto. Although I can see a US dollar E-currency coming on stream.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 4:00 pm

@ Motherlode-

“There is no way getting hit with a .50cal round just makes you drop. They explode people…”

“Why they hell are they all bunched together. SPREAD OUT!”*

“He ran out of rounds 20 ‘bangs’ ago…”

“There is no way any human being could possibly keep fighting after that first punch…”

“That’s CGI…”

*My former Squadron OC (and family friend) was reputed to have cried out this phrase the first time he watched The Battle of the Bulge as a young tank Troop Leader. And I often do, too…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2021 4:01 pm

“We’ve invested in the health system, case numbers will go up but I’m incredibly confident that our health system is strong and ultimately we can’t just, every time the cases increase over time, close our state down, we need to be open we need to be free.”

That is very hopeful. I had a feeling getting out of this ongoing malaise would mean replacing a premier who could not be later accused of inconsistency.

Admitting that cases will increase after the end of lockdown is a new thing to hear, and putting faith in the hospitals not being overrun is an unheard of perspective in this country outside of blogs like this.

He even said that freedoms do not come from the government, but that they are innate as people born in the country.

The Liberal party as a whole must be having a re-think.

I gather they want Gladys to take over the Warringah Federal electorate to get rid of that Zali Steggal woman. She has been an utter non-entity since elected, repeating the same nonsense about renewables like a loop tape.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 4:02 pm

johannasays:
October 6, 2021 at 2:35 pm
Fair Work, which used to concentrate on re-instating drunks and people who assaulted workmates, has pivoted on a Krugerrand to being the bosses’ best pal:

One of the very few benefits of this disaster has been to expose the true nature of many organisations set up supposedly to help the weaker members of the community.

Civil/human “rights” organisations, unions, bureaucracies, and so many others have betrayed those whose taxes and voluntary contributions have supported them for years. Starve them all of funds.

And the prize for the worst of the worst, as expected, goes to Their ABC.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 4:02 pm

JC picks fights with all the best people… 🙂

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:02 pm

Yea, but blockchain doesn’t require a bitcoin crypto

But in most forms, it’s going to require a digital token of some kind.
And that’s all that BTC is.
A hard to use digital token.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:03 pm

Bern

We do have a E-currency in the US dollar. Today, I need to pay something for the apartment in the US. I have my US dollar account and I credit that account through a currency transaction in my A$ account. The US dollars will be there in the morning and I can then move the funds to the ultimate beneficiary.

What’s the advantage of bitcoin, which can move 20% in the day?

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 4:04 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2021 4:04 pm

If you live in Chicago, you’re a moron.

If you live in Chicago the days are numbered until you don’t.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 4:15 pm

I’m wondering what the process for an employee is if you refuse the pseudo vax. Do they make you redundant? I assume they still have to pay you out?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:16 pm

A hard to use digital token.

Look a couple of years ago, it took 7 seconds for a BTC transaction to occur. It doesn’t sound much, right? Visa, in the US alone does around 4000 transactions a second.

A decade or so ago, I read there were like 300 million individual transactions in the US every day. Assuming the US is 20% of the world. It means, perhaps 1.5 billion transactions globally a day. Discount say even 50% of of those as being straight out cash – even though it wouldn’t matter if we all used Bitcoin and you’re left with 750 million daily transactions.

At the time, I figured that I would be out of the house for six months to buy a loaf of bread and see the transaction through with BTC. I don’t think the 7 seconds has improved much, has it?

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:17 pm

Oh Lord, he’s zero hedging now.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 4:17 pm

Calli:

Duncanm, I wonder if what appear to be high pollen loads are a natural response to the fires two years ago. We have a massive amount of regrowth almost nation-wide on a recently fertilised (ash) fireground. Most plants take a season to recover then flower their heads off.

Yes. This year has been a doozy.
I’d love to get a filter that fits over the dust filter in the aircon, but no one seems to make one. Any hints, Kittehs?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:20 pm

JC, forget bitcoin.
Blockchain allows for banks to have instantaneous transactions, globally.
This is why they are embracing it.
I am quite sure the the digital tokens that they all will use in the future haven’t even been thought up yet.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 4:24 pm

Ditto lotsa good rain and minor seasonal changes sufficient to trigger wattles and so forth.

In WA, Wildflower season kicked off kinda early this year, and is still going hard. Normally by October, things are starting to warm up, the Grass Trees have put up their fruiting bodies, the Christmas Trees start to bloom and then the Orange Bandits all start to tick like demented metronomes.

Yet, it’s still quite cool, the wildflowers are yet to die off and the Bandits are already active when the wind is just still enough for the sun to warm things up…

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:25 pm

The benefit isn’t consumer usage.
Or even business usage.
The benefit from blockchain is financial institution to financial institution usage.
Right now, banks have to hold trillions globally in reserves that theoretically could be reduced to a fraction of that once the blockchain embraced.

Forget Bitcoin.
Forget crypto.
That’s so retail.
The story is financial institutions using blockchain.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 4:25 pm

This is correct.
If you have a medicare number, your COVID vaccine status is loaded against it.

Yep.
I looked mine up and it has flu vaxes, a pneumonia shot and a tetanus booster.
Didn’t know it existed before this.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:27 pm

Bern

How fast is blockchain in terms of keeping up with transaction. My impression from while ago was that it was slow. While it would be excellent for say title search and transfer, it’s not fast enough for keep moving transactions. Am I behind?

I always thought that blockchain was like a big,lumbering slow Caterpillar earth mover. It’s now a Porsche too?

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 6, 2021 4:27 pm

And I often do, too

I was watching Danger Close, and in one scene I had unthinkingly said “drop 50” out loud, when the Sig sent “drop 50”. Got some funny looks from other audience members, but I did have an interesting chat in the foyer afterwards with people who were in Vietnam with a lot of the cadre who trained me.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 4:36 pm

Just keep ruining the magic by blurting out stuff that breaks the spell like, “You can’t see, but he is on wires” and “The explosion was not that loud. Must be special effects” and “That is a stunt driver” and “He’s much shorter in real life. Half the time he is walking about on Romper-Stompers

Bwah ha ha ha ha.
But, honestly, that is the truth.
We saw one of those things which I think was a super-steep ramp for a motorbike stunt.
It was about 100 tonnes of steel trusses and scaffolding with some hessian covering, and a very 21st century non-slip surface.
A combination of clever camera angles and maybe a bit of CGI makes it look like a medieval rampart.
I kind of see where some of the money goes when they set up stuff like that for a 10-12 second sequence.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 4:37 pm

It must be one of those days.

I now discover that the light of my eyes, my eldest grandchild, has been jabbed with Moderna. He has only just turned 12. Apparently he wanted it, probably because all his friends did too.

I’m the last. The very last, in all my extended family. The family crank.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 4:39 pm

@ Diogenes-

The worst is when you start identifying the variants.

Like all those M113AS4 fitters’ tracks they improvised up.

The extra roadwheel and minor differences to the headlight clusters threw me a bit.

BUT- There are no original AS1s left, and all of those had the T50 turrets, as installed from 1968/69 onwards. So they did a very reasonable job within the limitations of what was available.

I’d love to see what they could do with something commemorating FSB Coral/Balmoral- As the M102 105mm howitzers still exist (albeit for ceremonial purposes), and there are enough Centurion Mk5/1s still floating about in museum and private collections (many running) to do the job…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 4:40 pm

JCsays:

October 6, 2021 at 4:27 pm

Bern

How fast is blockchain in terms of keeping up with transaction.

Yeah, I have difficulty getting that too.
Most of my domestic transfers between big-four bank accounts are instant.
The only delays are artificially put in place deliberately for first-time payments.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 4:40 pm

The virus transmits by latching onto water droplets and not on its own.

JC – We’ve been over this time and again. Whenever relative humidity is less than 100% a micron sized water droplet evaporates just about instantly. That is why we don’t live in a fog all the time. Fog droplets are similar in size. But if you have say a refrigeration system that causes fog near the cooling pipes, as they do sometimes, that fog has gone within a few centimetres.

Whereupon the virus is bare. Or maybe a bunch in loose formation, which would still be ‘way smaller than the porosity of an ordinary face mask. They do not work in theory and they do not work empirically either, within the limits of the statistical data.

(I love the so called debunking articles from the Cathedralites. I can prove them wrong in ten words or so.)

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:42 pm

How fast is blockchain in terms of keeping up with transaction.

In a live ecosystem?
Instantaneous.

All banks have been testing this via internal systems dating back to 2015-2016.
There have beta tests between banks but I couldn’t tell you an exact date.
It’s serious shit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 4:42 pm

I’m the last. The very last, in all my extended family. The family crank.

Be prepared to receive your Christmas lunch via a very long sushi train track.
#keepingyousafe

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:44 pm

Eyrie says:
October 6, 2021 at 4:16 pm

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-supposed-happen-us-state-highest-vaxx-rate-sees-record-surge-covid-cases

Dickhead posts a thread from Non-Zero Hedge that suggests a state like Maine is experiencing very high rates of covid even though their vaxxing is at record highs. I’ve said before about Faulty 2. He is totally data innumerate. It should be illegal for the c..t to even read charts and numbers.

Here’s the contra argument on twitter by a person who understands numbers about Maine.

1/. Really? I am amazed by @ianmSC’s ability to spin and mislead with data. I’m also amazed at the awful level of data literacy in his followers. There is literally nothing Ian has posted that you couldn’t poke holes in for being an incomplete picture. Nothing.

Why?

2/. You want to play? ok. (1) Ian posts a chart showing cases rising in ME. (2) he cites relatively high vax rates in ME. (3) He then implies that this means that vaccines aren’t working.

3/. What’s missing? Data on the percentage of cases in vax’d vs. unvax’d. He does not have enough data to draw this conclusion. It’s called data sufficiency, and at least when I took the GMAT years ago, it was a core component.

4/. bottom line, he’s drawing conclusions without sufficient data to back up those conclusions.

5/. The only conclusion we can legitimately draw from the data he actually posted is that Fauci was wrong about the 50% vax rate, which is not a stunning insight. In presenting the data the way he did, the goal is to undermine confidence in vaccines.

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 4:46 pm

All banks have been testing this via internal systems dating back to 2015-2016.
There have beta tests between banks but I couldn’t tell you an exact date.
It’s serious shit.

But they must have been using something like this since the 80s. I could withdraw cash from my CBA account at a Westpac ATM in those days.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 4:47 pm

Well, we have two yuuuge sample sizes either side of the Murray River which would seem to indicate that hypothesis is a bucket of steaming horseshit.

Oh, Sancho!
We must overlook yuuuge sample sizes in favour of double-blind, placebo assisted, peer reviewed, Lancet published, Phama funded Science before any decisions are made.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 4:50 pm

JC – We’ve been over this time and again.

You’re memory is as faulty as shit. We’ve been through one other time and not time and again. One previous time.

Whenever relative humidity is less than 100% a micron sized water droplet evaporates just about instantly. That is why we don’t live in a fog all the time. Fog droplets are similar in size. But if you have say a refrigeration system that causes fog near the cooling pipes, as they do sometimes, that fog has gone within a few centimetres.

So according to you, cough, speech and sneezing plumes don’t exist. And we’re not discussing relative humidity, Brucie, you idiot. We’re discussing water droplets come out from people’s mouths. IS THAT CLEAR. You’re talking about other shit.

Whereupon the virus is bare. Or maybe a bunch in loose formation, which would still be ‘way smaller than the porosity of an ordinary face mask. They do not work in theory and they do not work empirically either, within the limits of the statistical data.

The virus needs to attach itself to droplets in order to move. If this isn’t clear to you then stop talking. These droplets have nothing to do with the fucking atmosphere.

(I love the so called debunking articles from the Cathedralites. I can prove them wrong in ten words or so.)

You’re not debunking anyone as you have zero idea what you’re even talking about.

Gab
Gab
October 6, 2021 4:51 pm

Anyone know what’s going on in Bendigo? A friend says air sirens were heard today plus there were a lot of military vehicles around. She works at Coles and saw a ”very scary military guy in store”. He wasn’t in normal camo uniform, it looked like a formal SAS gear.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 4:52 pm

Eyrie:

This drug is an analog (in other words, “looks the same to a living cell”) of cytosine. That’s one of four chemical “bases” that make up DNA. What Merck has done is “damage” it in a way that a cell still thinks its cytosine. Thus when it gets taken up in the synthesis of RNA it produces an error; the replication process doesn’t know how to deal with that and, after a few of those accumulate the process fails and thus the virus (in this case Covid-19) cannot reproduce in the cell.
That’s how it works, basically.

Holy Fuck, Batman!
These idiots are playing around with systems at this molecular level?
Are they insane?
Why, yes. Yes they are.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 4:54 pm

Whenever relative humidity is less than 100% a micron sized water droplet evaporates just about instantly. That is why we don’t live in a fog all the time.

This why fuel injection works and why great efforts are made to make smaller injector holes. The smaller the droplets, the faster the evaporation. It is only fuel vapour that burns, not the liquid.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:55 pm

But they must have been using something like this since the 80s. I could withdraw cash from my CBA account at a Westpac ATM in those days.

Yes, all based on ledgers of various natures.
Hence the need for banks to hold a certain level of reserves.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 4:56 pm

Blockchain allows for banks to have instantaneous transactions, globally.

Article today:

Blockchain technology could provide secure communications for robot teams (5 Oct)

But what would happen if one or more leader robots was hacked by a malicious agent and began sending incorrect directions? As follower robots are led farther from the fire, how would they know they had been duped?

The use of blockchain technology as a communication tool for a team of robots could provide security and safeguard against deception, according to a study by researchers at MIT and Polytechnic University of Madrid, which was published today in IEEE Transactions on Robotics. The research may also have applications in cities where multirobot systems of self-driving cars are delivering goods and moving people across town.

A blockchain offers a tamper-proof record of all transactions—in this case, the messages issued by robot team leaders—so follower robots can eventually identify inconsistencies in the information trail.

Some interesting security implications in that, for ordinary coms too.

I like blockchain, I don’t mind cryptocurrencies although I think they won’t be mainstream for long (except as a government-issued currency, which is even worse for freedom than now), but I don’t like crypto mining. That has bad side effects.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 6, 2021 4:57 pm

Here’s a thought, can Clive claim Glady’s demise as his first political hit?

Remember Clive’s rather strange press conference from a week or two ago, he said that an unnamed political influencer, who was being paid by big pharma, was directing her decisions regarding vaccine take-up. Clive inferred that this unnamed person had some control over the Independent Commission Against Corruption, and that he could direct the ICAC to pursue or drop charges against the Premier.

The obvious response has come to pass, the ICAC, to establish its “independence” in the public eye, had no choice but to charge the Premier.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 4:58 pm

Blockchain is not about providing any customer or any business any benefit.
It’s about freeing up capital for the creators of credit (ie those with a banking licence).

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 4:58 pm

In presenting the data the way he did, the goal is to undermine confidence in vaccines.

There’s enough of that already from the spruikers, nudgers and coerce-niks themselves, JC…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 5:01 pm

Hence the need for banks to hold a certain level of reserves.

That’s always going to be the case. Swampies at APRA won’t allow otherwise.

Banking watchdog aims to cool loan demand (6 Oct)

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 5:01 pm

We’re discussing water droplets come out from people’s mouths.

Gravity?

rickw
rickw
October 6, 2021 5:02 pm

Anyone know what’s going on in Bendigo? A friend says air sirens were heard today plus there were a lot of military vehicles around. She works at Coles and saw a ”very scary military guy in store”. He wasn’t in normal camo uniform, it looked like a formal SAS gear.

Eureka 2.0 followed by Nuremberg 2.0?

twostix
twostix
October 6, 2021 5:02 pm

I now discover that the light of my eyes, my eldest grandchild, has been jabbed with Moderna. He has only just turned 12. Apparently he wanted it, probably because all his friends did too.

He didn’t want it, or care about it – his mum and dad told him to get it. You know better than that Calli!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 5:02 pm

Bruce, this:

That’s always going to be the case. Swampies at APRA won’t allow otherwise.

has nothing to do with this:

Banking watchdog aims to cool loan demand (6 Oct)

in relation to blockchain.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 5:06 pm

“There is no way any human being could possibly keep fighting after that first punch…”

The follow up:
“He’s just been punched 3 ways from Sunday yet he winces when the leading lady applies a bandaid!”

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 5:08 pm

The RBA are a pack of cucks that will do whatever the Fed Reserve dictates.
It shouldn’t be lost on Australians that during March 2020, Aussie banks were tapping the Fed Reserve because the RBA was so slow to move.
The RBA only threw the kitchen sink at liquidity measures post the Fed Reserve getting on the blower & asking why the fuck Aussie banks were tapping them when Australia had a perfectly good central bank that should have been doing that already.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:08 pm

Faulty 2 reckons cough, speech and sneeze plumes are the same as fuel injection in a car. For obvious reasons , he walked for his bullshit Zero Hedge crap he posted and is now all about plumes and fuel injection being identical. FMD.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 5:09 pm

they want Gladys to take over the Warringah Federal electorate to get rid of that Zali Steggal woman

Zali has failed to get wind farms erected off every beach in her electorate. Massive fail.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 5:11 pm

It also shouldn’t be lost on Australians that if shit ever really hits the fan, the RBA is one of only 14 central banks globally that can tap the Fed Reserve.
We should all pray that the scenario never arises where the RBA needs to tap the Fed Reserve.
That’s when you’d expect to see gold seizures and the like.
Sharpen the machete time.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:12 pm

Baba says:
October 6, 2021 at 5:01 pm

We’re discussing water droplets come out from people’s mouths.

Gravity?

Sure, eventually, but not right away after say a sneeze or cough. And yes even the atmosphere will have an impact … eventually!

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:15 pm

Are you two idiots done now as I want to get into the better discussion that Bern opened up. I’m all fuel injected out. Fucking moron.

Baba
Baba
October 6, 2021 5:17 pm

Sure, eventually, but not right away after say a sneeze or cough. And yes even the atmosphere will have an impact … eventually!

Oh, I see. Just like bullets start dropping as they slow down?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 5:17 pm

Anyone know what’s going on in Bendigo? A friend says air sirens were heard today plus there were a lot of military vehicles around. She works at Coles and saw a ”very scary military guy in store”. He wasn’t in normal camo uniform, it looked like a formal SAS gear.

Eureka 2.0 followed by Nuremberg 2.0?

Beersheba Day commemorations, probably.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 5:20 pm

I’m all fuel injected out.

That’s what happens when your carby runs dry due to violent manoeuvring, JC.

You need to get a lend of Ms. Shilling’s orifice. That’ll sort you out… 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 5:20 pm

So according to you, cough, speech and sneezing plumes don’t exist.

JC – Why don’t you read what I wrote. No I did not say that. Indeed that is exactly the problem. They may start out as droplets but within a second or two they are now clouds free floating virus particles and aggregates. Which no mask can stop: have you seen lab techs in secure biolabs wearing blue paper facemasks? No? No. They wear what are basically spacesuits.

And when you sneeze in your mask where does it go? No, not through the cloth. It takes the line of least resistance mainly up past your nose. And out past the edges. Which is wear most of your ordinary exhalation goes already, if you’ve ever noticed. N95 masks often even have an exhalation valve.

The virus needs to attach itself to droplets in order to move.

No it does not. Apparently there is thing called wind. And things called breezes. And air currents. Brownian motion also works – which is why they don’t fall down due to gravity, they keep getting bounced all over the place by air molecules, which are about the size that tennis balls are to a human.

Now while I sometimes don’t mind cutting your arms and legs off over and over, since I know they grow back, I’m not going to bother letting you headbutt my crotch right now. Finis.

Mater
October 6, 2021 5:24 pm

Here’s a good one for the sidebar, Dover.

Our ABC focusing on the important issues, laser like.

https://twitter.com/difficultnerd/status/1445550384886419458?s=10

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 5:24 pm

I’m going to ask the question because no one else appears to be asking it:
“Is this a world wide thing, or is it just happening in predominately White nations”
I’m not hearing much from Africa or South America, or Asia, or the Middle East.
I’d have thought the Dark Continent and the M.E. to be awash with bodies, but I’m not hearing much about it.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:25 pm

Bern

Did the RBA access the Fed in the GFC and at the beginning of COVID as I thought we were very short of US dollars? Perhaps it signed up for a line of credit but never used it?I forget.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2021 5:26 pm

Just keep ruining the magic by blurting out stuff

Just about everyone in the audience of Mission Impossible II was blurting out stuff when Tom Cruise roared off on his motorbike and went from La Peruse to Manly in 30 seconds.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:31 pm

JC – Why don’t you read what I wrote.

I did and you wrote bullshit. Nearly all the virus attaches to water droplets dispersed through plumes which makes harder to enter nose and throats. Harder though not impossible. You then went on about the atmosphere and your cousin, Faulty 2 introduced fuel injection. This after he posted some crap from Zero hedge that is actually dangerously stupid.

Mask wearing is NOT science based. It’d risk management. Now go feed the magpies.
Enuff

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:32 pm

Whoops

which makes harder to enter nose and throats with mask wearing..

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 6, 2021 5:35 pm

feelthebernsays:
October 6, 2021 at 11:30 am

Bern, that won’t work. They’ll make their choice and with the help of a phalanx of human rights con-artists and lawyers, they’ll say they were put under extreme duress and now, in amongst all these other abusers, they feel very unsafe. Then they will claim that they’ve been threatened if they speak out but have done so because they owe it to their families and loved ones.

They’ll want more support and certain concessions and the nation will be cowered by the msm and lefty politicians as headlines proclaim – “He’s changed!,” or “Everyone deserves a second chance!”

Until the State finally capitulates under pressure from the UN and the human rights lobby, there will be much crying and the rending of sackcloth out the front of Parliament House. By this time, the daily news cycle will show the families holding up little candles for those who cannot return home because of government brutality.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 6, 2021 5:35 pm

@ Winston-

The Anger family has contacts in Kenya, and follows their local news sources.

The disease is vicious, but there is not much anyone can do about it. People gotta eat. To eat, you gotta move and work.

The comorbidity burden is higher and general health lower, and enforcing limits on movement and activity is just exacerbating poverty and the more horrible aspects of human nature.

But because it is just another vicious disease among many that run rampant in Africa, it does not seem to attract the same obsessiveness as it does here…

Bons
October 6, 2021 5:40 pm

6 year old grandy’s birthday today. She got a surfboard.
Now she is demanding the blond hair that is apparently supposed to come with it.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 6, 2021 5:40 pm

Beersheba Day commemorations, probably.

Did he ride his horsey into Coles?

Interesting factoid about the capture of Beersheba, the very moment that the 800 horsemen commenced their seemingly suicidal charge into Beersheba, the British War Cabinet meeting in London approved the draft Balfour Declaration.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2021 5:41 pm

Brittany Higgins has been named as Australia’s first visiting fellow at the London-based Global Institute for Women’s Leadership.

Leading from the couch.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 5:42 pm

Bern – You said blockchain can free up capital for the creators of credit (eg. banks)

APRA has an endless capacity for micromanagement and the very last thing they want to do is free up capital for the creators of credit. Which is why they insist local banks hold Tier 1 capital levels vastly higher than anyone else has to. The article today is an illustration of APRA’s centralized control approach. They are restricting the use of capital by cutely making the banks assess customers based on mortgage rates we won’t see in our remaining lifetimes. Blockchaining money will not affect this one iota, as vampires really hate losing their hosts.

Government, like APRA is, is the problem with this technology. Wherever it clashes with government aims and practices it will be suppressed.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 5:42 pm

JC, I can’t remember re the GFC.

Arky
October 6, 2021 5:42 pm

Having a majestically beautiful and aristocratic nose, even the best fitted and most expensive masks is utterly useless in my case.
I hate these mask wearing spastics.
I want to kick their heads in.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 5:44 pm

In presenting the data the way he did, the goal is to undermine confidence in vaccines.

People have [usually] strong confidence in vaccines. The issue is that the COVID vaxxes are NOT vaccines. The CDC/FDA redefined what a vaccine was so that these vaxxes now fit the narrative.

Spouting off how nobody bar the US can be trusted is a dash shortsighted. Park the prejudice and open your eyes a bit (at least look at the raw data). The narrative is panicked trying to hide something – even to the extent of changing retrospectively definitional concepts. And I fear that this is not going to end well.

Arky
October 6, 2021 5:44 pm

Especially those ones who skitter away from me in public with a “who farted” school girl bitch expression on their stupid face.

Bons
October 6, 2021 5:44 pm

Yep.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 5:45 pm

Bar Beach Swimmersays:
October 6, 2021 at 5:35 pm

In the US, they have around 10,000 sex offenders that don’t want to leave whatever facility they are in.
Most of them are on prison farm set ups, min security, slave labour.
Pedo island is effectively a voluntary alternative to jail.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 5:45 pm

Cassie:

So, the synagogue I attend will reopen next Monday however it is now only for those who have been double vaccinated.

Cassie – turn up and demand admittance.
Make them turn you away.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. Alinsky.

Arky
October 6, 2021 5:46 pm

They’re all eighty year old dickhead blokes who need to hurry up and croak.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 5:47 pm

3/. What’s missing? Data on the percentage of cases in vax’d vs. unvax’d. He does not have enough data to draw this conclusion. It’s called data sufficiency, and at least when I took the GMAT years ago, it was a core component.

That was my point upthread JC about the Vicco stats being quoted in a tweet.
Take a simple example with no “partial vaxxed” component.
Assume that 90% of people are vaxxed and with the requisite time-lag between vax and exposure and 10% aren’t vaxxed.
Saying that 50% of cases (or hospitalisations or deaths) are vaxxed is not support for the hypothesis that vaccines don’t work (at least partially).
Quite the opposite.
If vaccines had zero effect you would expect the cases/hospitalisations/deaths to follow the vax stats in the general community of 90:10 (all other things being equal).
The real soft spot here is transmission.
What percentage of vaxxed are catching it and passing it on vs unvaxxed (obviously some of the vaxxed are catching it).
There are other qualitative factors here too.
For example, a higher proportion of vaxxed people are likely to be asymptomatic and unwittingly pass it on.
Vaxxed people might also become a bit more relaxed about hand hygene etc.

Arky
October 6, 2021 5:48 pm

You see them scurrying about for their hour of Dan Andrews allotted sunlight.
Pathetic. Sad. Ridiculous.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 5:50 pm

They are restricting the use of capital by cutely making the banks assess customers based on mortgage rates we won’t see in our remaining lifetimes.

True. There is no way that interest rates can be lifted. Governments won’t be able to roll over their bonds at zero coupon! [Which they can’t pay otherwise given they’re broke]

I suspect that this is another lobbyist driven initiative. Be interesting to see which of the disintermediators / disruptors start up lenders are exempt. And who has bought shares in them at a penny each…? They stand to make fortunes as new mortgages and mortgage refinances will flow the Tier 1 banks to these.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 5:52 pm

“Winston Smithsays:
October 6, 2021 at 5:45 pm
Cassie:

So, the synagogue I attend will reopen next Monday however it is now only for those who have been double vaccinated.

Cassie – turn up and demand admittance.
Make them turn you away.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. Alinsky.”

Indeed, I’m going to identify as someone who’s fully vaxxed!

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 5:53 pm

Blessed be the Plough Repairers!

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 5:55 pm

Agreed Sanchez, which is why I said Faulty 2 Zero Hedge link is dangerous fucking bullshit. The guy is a fucking innumerate twat and unfortunately his cousin Brucie appears to be led astray by this evil, ill intentioned c..t. But hey, you can’t hold back the kids and once they hit a certain age, you have let them go. Brucie has now left the reservation.

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 5:56 pm

Isn’t the much lower transmission rate in a highly vaxxed population the reason Denmark etc dropped all covid measures?
Do either NSW or the Victorian government ever talk about that?

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 5:57 pm

Dover Beach:

Is Liverpool Hospital prescribing Ivermectin to COVID patients? If it’s fake, it’s a good one.

Page doesn’t exist, DB.
It’s Gooorrne!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 5:58 pm

@ Winston-

The disease is vicious, but there is not much anyone can do about it. People gotta eat. To eat, you gotta move and work.

In our church we have links with some churches in Africa and I know of several attendees who have died. It isn’t a nice disease. But HIV/AIDS also has run rampant through those countries with a toll much larger than Covid, although it has been going longer (about half a million died of it last year). This no longer makes the news though.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 5:59 pm

Gab:

You would know this had you mad my posts about the petition to parliament to stop AHPRA !

I madded your posts and tried to sign up, but the authentication never appeared.
Sorry!

Gilas
Gilas
October 6, 2021 6:00 pm

John H. says:
October 6, 2021 at 3:57 pm

Thank you for the response, interesting and much appreciated.

As I was progressing through specialist training, the one area that kept throwing up amazing new complexities was immunology. If I recall correctly, there are now some 100+ Interleukins, as well as CD (Differentiation Cluster) surface receptors known, from a handful-or-two of each 30-odd years ago, how anyone can sift the wheat from the chaff in all this is beyond me.
Not helped by BigPharma’s marketing BS.

As an example of the time lag involved in finding uses for these complicated, arcane cellular pathways: by far the most effective therapeutic antibody application in oncology involves the Her2-Neu receptor (EGFR-2), which was isolated in the early 1980s. An effective antibody (trastuzumab) to modulate its overactivity in breast cancer didn’t get clinical approval until the late 2000s. mTOR modulators and PD-L antibodies also took some 20+ years to gain clinical use.
So, yes, lots of promises and great results on animal models are published every day… but we are not mice.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 6:05 pm

For example, a higher proportion of vaxxed people are likely to be asymptomatic and unwittingly pass it on.
Vaxxed people might also become a bit more relaxed about hand hygene etc.

Yah…

A virus depends on being benign enough to allow the carrier to pass it on. Where a virus is severe, the host lays up sick at home … and the virus does not propagate. With the Vaxx suppressing the worst symptoms, people may have a high viral load but keep on moving around and interacting coz it’s just a runny nose but otherwise feeling OK. And this is probably why there is the massive uptick in cases in highly vaccinated communities.

There is also an increase in potential for a hot variant / mutation. A dangerous mutation – rather than dying out as the host does not or can’t spread it – can make the host moderately ill … but be benign enough to allow the host to spread it. And if an unvaxxed individuals, or individuals where the effectiveness has worn off contract this mutation – watch the fatality rate soar!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:07 pm

JCsays:

October 6, 2021 at 5:55 pm

Agreed Sanchez, which is why I said Faulty 2 Zero Hedge link is dangerous fucking bullshit.

Firstly, anything out of Zero Hedge I hold up to a bright light.
And, yes, it is veggie-maths stuff to look at percentages of outcomes, without looking at the make-up of the populations they were drawn from.
As I say, the impacts on the vaxxed themselves is a blind alley argument.
The best angle of attack is the transmission. After all, that is what underpins the passport thing.
BTW I am Sancho.
Not Sanchez.
Sanchez is my cousin.
Pancho is my brother.
Cisco is his friend.
Gracias.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 6, 2021 6:07 pm

Ivermectin still appears safer and more efficacious.

And it’s about one thousandth the price of the new version. Which makes ivermectin much less attractive if you’re selling it.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 6:07 pm

Isn’t the much lower transmission rate in a highly vaxxed population the reason Denmark etc dropped all covid measures?

One of the convenient “measures” dropped was testing. They happily report no new cases. 🙂

cohenite
October 6, 2021 6:12 pm

Anyone know what’s going on in Bendigo? A friend says air sirens were heard today plus there were a lot of military vehicles around. She works at Coles and saw a ”very scary military guy in store”. He wasn’t in normal camo uniform, it looked like a formal SAS gear.

Big muslim presence in bendigo.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 6:12 pm

Sancho

Do you mind awfully if I refer to you as Sanchez?Sanchez seems to roll on the keyboard easier. It’s how I replaced Cohenite with Cronkite. Cronkite was so much easier finagling on the keyboard.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:14 pm

FMD.
The hyper-bowl has been wound up to eleventy on Nein News.
The Victorian President of the AMA says that things “are as bad as the Anzacs at Gallipoli” for the 101st TikTok squads in our hospitals.
Never, ever bitch about anyone else “disrespecting our glorious war dead” after that bullshit.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 6:16 pm

That’s another friendship group gone for me. The venue will only allow the double vaxxed.

And thanks Twostix for judging my family. And the charmer who “liked” the slur.

What, exactly, have you lost?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:16 pm

JCsays:

October 6, 2021 at 6:12 pm

Sancho

Do you mind awfully if I refer to you as Sanchez?

Well, OK.
I guess it is better than “you Spic c..t”.
But only you.
Nobody else.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 6:18 pm

Gilassays:
October 6, 2021 at 6:00 pm
John H. says:
October 6, 2021 at 3:57 pm

Thank you for the response, interesting and much appreciated.

It takes decades to move from the bench to the clinic. The translation rate from rodents to humans is very poor. BTW, TLRs can only indirectly mediate apoptosis. Direct apoptosis is mediated by interleukin 1, TNF, and their respective receptors.

Interesting you mention mice. The other night I was looking into NMN which is the current longevity craze. I was concerned about an increased cancer risk because anything that protects normal cells often provide a benefit for cancer cells. Some cancer therapies induce inhibition of NAD, which NMN is designed to address. One study stated though that rodent studies never demonstrated a cancer risk. But rodents have short lives and much lower cell numbers than us so cancer is much less likely(broadly speaking). What I would like to see is studies of NMN plus a carcinogen.

I previously stated the idea of inhibiting apoptosis in neurodegeneration is very problematic. Even worse was the trial of antibodies against A-beta. I knew that was a bad idea because the last thing the CNS needs is CD 8+ cells roaming to and fro. The trial was stopped because 12 patients died of cerebral inflammation. A few weeks ago I read a very puzzling study which correlated CD 8 numbers with toxic alpha synuclein in the SNc, the principal degradation site in Parkinson’s. I still have a question mark over that study but long ago I read studies establishing peripheral immune cell penetrance into the CNS.

Yes, I perhaps have sub-clinical ADHD so I become hyper focused, write too much, and wander to and fro across the wonderful world of molecular biology, immunology, neuroscience, and too many other interests. All the best in your career. I would have been a terrible clinician!

Delta A
Delta A
October 6, 2021 6:19 pm

I now discover that the light of my eyes, my eldest grandchild, has been jabbed with Moderna.

The fear-mongering and coercion by our governments, cheerfully broadcast by the msm and policed by a battalion of Karens. The dehumanising mask and distance mandates, keeping people further apart, erasing the most significant aspect of social interaction. It’s no wonder children – and many adults – are developing serious mental health issues.

I have never given credit to conspiracy theories, but it’s hard to disbelieve that this is all part of an elaborate plan, a global reset. We are being divided (deliberately?) in so many ways: race, colour, gender, religion and now vaccinated/unvaccinated. SOEs have suspended democracy. Premiers and unelected health officers, together with our spineless PM, are revelling in power trips equal to those of history’s worst dictators. I’m not confident that this can be rectified without great strife.

Calli, I can only imagine the despair this government-approved division of families is causing you, and I admire your steadfast stand against tyranny.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 6, 2021 6:21 pm

Apologies if put up earlier Well lookie here another gig for BelieveAllWomen

Fastidiously plain isn’t she? Her photo reminds me of this.

Thanks cohenite I needed that wry smile – given the zoom discussion with family vis a vis my leper status

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 6:21 pm

Rorschach I assume you were kidding about Denmark not testing
worldometer denmark

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 6:23 pm

Isn’t the much lower transmission rate in a highly vaxxed population the reason Denmark etc dropped all covid measures?

One of the convenient “measures” dropped was testing. They happily report no new cases.

Pragmatic, our Viking friends are.

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 6:23 pm

My subscription to the Paywallian – which at times has hung by a thread – paid for itself today with the online launch of Sharri Markson’s book, What Really Happened in Wuhan, hosted by Chris Kenny and starring Markson and Tucker Carlson live from the US.

A brilliant one-hour presentation (for subscribers only) highlighting a) the stunning corruption of the US public health bureaucracy; b) how far down the rabbit hole Australia has fallen: after Australia was virtually alone in calling for an investigation into the Wuhan lab, the Australian public health bureaucracy, with media backing, has been allowed to strip Australians of their basic human and political rights.

Thank you, Ruperdink Mudrock: don’t let your idiot children wreck what you have built.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 6:24 pm

The Victorian President of the AMA says that things “are as bad as the Anzacs at Gallipoli” for the 101st TikTok squads in our hospitals.

Jesus H Christ.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 6:32 pm

The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs

Let them take Taiwan and give their subs easy access to the Pacific. Let them take Taiwan so every other nation in the region will be submit because the USA won’t intervene. Xi would be heralded as a god emperor, China will control all of SE Asia and begin eyeing off other countries.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 6:34 pm

“My subscription to the Paywallian – which at times has hung by a thread – paid for itself today with the online launch of Sharri Markson’s book, What Really Happened in Wuhan, hosted by Chris Kenny and starring Markson and Tucker Carlson live from the US”

I have my issues with Sharri, she’s a princess at times but she actually does good old fashioned investigative journalism…unlike so many of today’s “journalists”.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 6:35 pm

Quiet, Baizuo.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 6, 2021 6:36 pm

Hey y’all

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 6:37 pm

Rorschach I assume you were kidding about Denmark not testing

Partly…. but try this graph:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?tab=chart&country=~DNK

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:38 pm

And thanks Twostix for judging my family. And the charmer who “liked” the slur.

What, exactly, have you lost?

Exactly.
You can make a personal choice and simultaneously respect another’s right to make a different choice.
I am sure your family believe they are doing the right thing and are genuinely worried about you.
As for the shrill couch-bound white feather distributors, mostly from North of the Tweed, I am ignoring a lot of that manipulative wailing and rending of garments.
In fact, I am amending Godwin’s Law beyond mention of Hitler.
For me, it now includes the words and phrases, “patriot”, “treason”, “traitor”, “quisling” and “why doncha meet up for a beer and sort this out”.

Arky
October 6, 2021 6:39 pm

You can make a personal choice and simultaneously respect another’s right to make a different choice.

..
Boooring.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:39 pm

Thanks Tom.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:43 pm

Boooring.

Oh, OK.
How about …

“Anyone who doesn’t get vaxxed is either a slack-jawed, redneck low IQ yokel or a crystal-healing, cheesecloth-wearing, hemp addled hippie who is deliberately setting out to infect our children.”

Arky
October 6, 2021 6:44 pm

“Anyone who doesn’t get vaxxed is either a slack-jawed, redneck low IQ yokel or a crystal-healing, cheesecloth-wearing, hemp addled hippie who is deliberately setting out to infect our children.”

..
Now you’re interesting and wrong rather than boring and wrong.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 6:44 pm

Sanchez

I figured out why the computer auto-corrects to Sanchez. The apt super in NYC is a Sanchez and I’ve corresponded with him. I get the impression he’s a Spanish Sanchez rather than Sth American version as he doesn’t look remotely Sth Am. He looks like a mean Irish fuckhead and he is mean.

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2021 6:48 pm

Damn Tom! Any chance they’re going to release it more broadly??? Really want to know what Sharri has found (and, ahem, she’s quite nice too… says a friend :P)

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2021 6:48 pm

The Victorian President of the AMA says that things “are as bad as the Anzacs at Gallipoli” for the 101st TikTok squads in our hospitals.

One in ten are dead?

Gilas
Gilas
October 6, 2021 6:49 pm

John H. says:
October 6, 2021 at 6:18 pm

Yes, I perhaps have sub-clinical ADHD

Nah, your contributions here are excellent, all proper boffins need a smidgin of Aspergers to excel, just like chess players and pianists.
Don’t ever stop doing what you love.

dopey
dopey
October 6, 2021 6:49 pm

How good is our media. The Premier has six kids and he is a married man. Would they prefer an un-married with six kids, assuming he could find any of them.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 6:52 pm

John H. says:
October 6, 2021 at 6:32 pm
The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs

Yah.

“Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln”

In the modern world, where politics are subservient to and in the main simply tools of Big Business, Clausewitz’s quote should become:

“War is the continuation of economics with other means”

I’m guessing that the author of that piece is a fully paid up member of the PRC Communist Party [Like the Biden family incidentally]. And I note that China is falling apart… another real estate biggie defaulted and the ports are still clogged. Interesting times indeed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/chinese-developer-fantasia-misses-bond-payment/100516506

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/container-ships-now-piling-up-at-anchorages-off-chinas-ports

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 6:55 pm

I have my issues with Sharri, she’s a princess at times but she actually does good old fashioned investigative journalism…unlike so many of today’s “journalists”.

Cassie, one of the main reasons for me why Sharri Markson is so good at her job is that, as a Jew, she has become accustomed to dealing with bullying and very good at digging out stuff that people are trying to hide.

Ask areff: Markson is the exact opposite of most modern Australian female journalists who are more concerned with airing “issues” they’re personally invested in than getting to the truth on behalf of their audience/readership.

Markson is one of a kind ,but she will be robbed of the professional gongs she deserves because she is not a boot-kicker of the leftwing journalistic establishment.

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2021 6:55 pm

Anyone else hearing Adam Somyurek has gone to IBAC with shitload of dirt on Andrews?

miltonf
miltonf
October 6, 2021 6:56 pm

The stable family unit is what cultural marxists want to destroy. So of course the meja don’t like Perrottet. I’m waiting and seeing as I don’t expect Photios and his bots to just wander off.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2021 6:56 pm

dopeysays:

October 6, 2021 at 6:49 pm

How good is our media. The Premier has six kids and he is a married man. Would they prefer an un-married with six kids, assuming he could find any of them.

Deep down, they are really gagging for someone with three wives and two kids.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 6:57 pm

You see them scurrying about for their hour of Dan Andrews allotted sunlight.
Pathetic. Sad. Ridiculous.

I can go better than that.

I see them masked whilst driving alone.

And masks aren’t even mandated in my LGA.

JC
JC
October 6, 2021 6:57 pm

Interesting. Over the last day or so, I got to thinking how many logical fallacies there. There’s at least 15. One, for some reason took my attention.

Appeal to Authority

Appeal to authority is the misuse of an authority’s opinion to support an argument. While an authority’s opinion can represent evidence and data, it becomes a fallacy if their expertise or authority is overstated, illegitimate, or irrelevant to the topic.

For example, citing a foot doctor when trying to prove something related to psychiatry would be an appeal to authority fallacy.

15 logical fallacies.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 6, 2021 6:58 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 6:12 pm
Sancho

Do you mind awfully if I refer to you as Sanchez?Sanchez seems to roll on the keyboard easier.

Could you two get a room? This is unseemly in public.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 6, 2021 7:00 pm

Interesting. Over the last day or so, I got to thinking how many logical fallacies there. There’s at least 15. One, for some reason took my attention.

Oh thats ballsy, Sir oligarch the new renaissance man, lord of the trading desk.

Delta A
Delta A
October 6, 2021 7:01 pm

Bonssays:
October 6, 2021 at 5:40 pm
6 year old grandy’s birthday today. She got a surfboard.
Now she is demanding the blond hair that is apparently supposed to come with it.

13 yo grand-girl’s birthday today. She got a Swiss army knife.

A gorgeous blue-eyed blond, she dyed her hair turquoise with her mother’s disapproving permission. Came bounding out to show me the result and I had to admit it looks great, soft and silky and nicely blended.

Still scratching my head about the knife, but. 🙂

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2021 7:03 pm

Appeal to authority is the misuse of an authority’s opinion to support an argument. While an authority’s opinion can represent evidence and data, it becomes a fallacy if their expertise or authority is overstated, illegitimate, or irrelevant to the topic.

Like social distancing and the prevericating, flip flopping advice on masks.

The CDC pulled them out of thin air. There is simply no basis for these stupid ideas.

“Science” does not “change”. Science is a method. Observations can increase and better inferences can be concluded.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:04 pm

Has anyone else been denied entry into a venue yet?

I’m keen to know. Am I the first?

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2021 7:05 pm

JCsays:
October 6, 2021 at 6:57 pm
Interesting. Over the last day or so, I got to thinking how many logical fallacies there. There’s at least 15. One, for some reason took my attention.

Appeal to Authority

Appeal to authority is the misuse of an authority’s opinion to support an argument. While an authority’s opinion can represent evidence and data, it becomes a fallacy if their expertise or authority is overstated, illegitimate, or irrelevant to the topic.

For example, citing a foot doctor when trying to prove something related to psychiatry would be an appeal to authority fallacy.

15 logical fallacies.

There are more. Read Kahneman and Tversky’s circa 1974 paper.
Judgment under Uncertainty: Heuristics and Biases
Amos Tversky; Daniel Kahneman
Science, New Series, Vol. 185, No. 4157. (Sep. 27, 1974), pp. 1124-1131.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 7:07 pm

While an authority’s opinion can represent evidence and data, it becomes a fallacy if their expertise or authority is overstated, illegitimate, or irrelevant to the topic.

Such as the pope’s declamations on climate change.

What’s worse, he’s fallaciously appealing to his own authority in making them.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2021 7:08 pm

“Tomsays:
October 6, 2021 at 6:55 pm”

All correct Tom. When I say I’ve got issues with Sharri, it’s because she does like to indulge in a little of the #Metoo rubbish and I went ballistic at the television the day after the Sydney protests back in July…on her programme she described the protesters as selfish, this from a woman who grew up in luxury in Sydney’s Eastern Suburubs….BUT….she’s a good journalist and she’s wants to do good old fashioned investigatory journalism.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 7:09 pm

LOL.

China Folds, Unloads Australian Coal Despite Import Ban Amid Power Crunch (5 Oct)

I love it when dictators have to eat humble pie.

Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 7:10 pm

Eyrie:

JC, the only person you gave a whack over the ears to last night was yourself. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?

Ego, Eyrie. Ego.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 6, 2021 7:12 pm

Interesting. Over the last day or so, I got to thinking how many logical fallacies there. There’s at least 15. One, for some reason took my attention.

May I draw to your attention the ad hominem.

caveman
caveman
October 6, 2021 7:15 pm

“”The Victorian President of the AMA says that things “are as bad as the Anzacs at Gallipoli” for the 101st TikTok squads in our hospitals.””

“Jesus H Christ”

I watched that tool this morning, his segue to the ANZACS was fukn disgusting.

Fukn lefty scum.

P
P
October 6, 2021 7:16 pm
Winston Smith
October 6, 2021 7:18 pm

Calli:

I’m the last. The very last, in all my extended family. The family crank.

Is good being odd one out, yes?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2021 7:18 pm

Still scratching my head about the knife, but.

I have three Swiss Army knives.
With them I can fix almost anything!
The one with the saw and pliers is especially useful*.
Maybe she should get a socket set for her next birthday.

*(I was given it by the company I worked for. A year later they banned pocket knives on site after someone cut themselves. It was wonderfully Dilbertesque.)

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2021 7:22 pm

Maybe she should get a socket set for her next birthday.

Steady on. Maybe a soldering station.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:24 pm

Interesting. Over the last day or so, I got to thinking how many logical fallacies there. There’s at least 15. One, for some reason took my attention.

My compliments, JC.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:26 pm

Has anyone else been denied entry into a venue yet?

Yes, but that was pants related (or lack thereof).

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 6, 2021 7:27 pm

One of the more interesting occurrences in the world was the half day Facebook outage the other day. Why?

These types of entities will find blame somewhere very quickly. But there is none! An error during routine maintenance does not cut it. There are rollback plans in place whenever changes are made and the outage would/should have been minutes at most! And failover / DR sites would kick in immediately. And it would not include locking staff out!!!! And there is nothing in the news about it. The biggest crash, the biggest likely loss of personal data massive loss of advertising revenue / refunds required etc etc. And nothing.

With the whistleblower in front of Congress, I would suggest that this was no accident/error. It may have been planned to allow clean up of the algorithms and data used. And other nefarious / personal / confidential stuff that they play with [Think Cambridge Analytica].

The reason they would have needed to do this is that Congress may have got wind of such from the whistleblower, and subpoenaed the data and issued injunctions against its deletion. [If they did this Zuck goes to gaol!].

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2021 7:28 pm

FFS, Bern. It’s not that type of blog.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:29 pm

Panic merchant James Morrow is on Bolta.
I still remember him squealing in April May 2020 for an Australia wide shut down.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 6, 2021 7:30 pm

Thanks for the link Tom, listening watching right now.

calli
calli
October 6, 2021 7:34 pm

Yes, but that was pants related (or lack thereof).

Lol. You rotten sod. 😀

rosie
rosie
October 6, 2021 7:35 pm

You are most welcome to first calli.

shatterzzz
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One of my grandees turned 12 on Monday .. vaxxed today .. my daughter told me the same thing .. he wanted it cos his friends are either dun or getting dun ……. apparently he’s also happy to wear a mask .. same reason ……!

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