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  1. Indolentsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    Have you got the direct link to the source data?

    The link was within the original post.

    For some reason Gab posts are truncated when I look at them.
    Comments and links sometimes blocked.


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  2. Psays:

    October 22, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    Sources told Deadline, which initially reported that the incident occurred when Baldwin reportedly “cocked a gun during a rehearsal, unaware that there were live rounds in it

    What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?


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  3. Twostix.
    On Nein Regional News tonight.
    A representative of tourism operators in FNQ bleating that they desparately need international tourists back.
    She’s bullshitting, right?


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  4. I have a vague memory that this isn’t the first time this has happened.

    Daily Mail

    Bruce Lee’s son Brandon died in similar accident on The Crow set in 1993

    Halyna Hutchins’ death is not the first time that a prop gun has killed someone during the filming of a movie.

    In 1993, Brandon Lee, 28, son of the late martial-arts star Bruce Lee, died after being hit by a .44-caliber slug while filming a death scene for the movie The Crow.

    The gun was supposed to have fired a blank, but an autopsy turned up a bullet lodged near his spine.
    Actor Brandon Lee (above) was killed on the set of The Crow in 1993 when a blank round fired a squib load from the prop gun
    +21

    Actor Brandon Lee (above) was killed on the set of The Crow in 1993 when a blank round fired a squib load from the prop gun

    In that case, an investigation determined that a bullet became lodged in the barrel of the gun, a dangerous condition known as a squib load.

    The crew had made dummy cartridges, which are supposed to look like a real bullet but be inert, by removing the gunpowder from real bullets, but they failed to remove the primer charge.

    At some point, one of the dummy rounds was fired, and the primer pushed the bulletin into the barrel, where it remained stuck unnoticed.

    Later, the gunpower in a blank cartridge, which creates the sound and muzzle flash of gunfire for film but has no bullet, propelled the squib load out of the gun’s barrel, striking Lee.

    And in 1984, actor Jon-Erik Hexum died after shooting himself in the head with a prop gun blank while pretending to play Russian roulette with a .44 Magnum on the set of the television series Cover Up.

    In that case, the paper wadding used to secure the gunpowder in the blank cartridge was expelled with enough force to shatter his skull near the temple, sending fragments into Hexum’s brain and causing massive hemorrhaging.



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  5. Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    To be fair…I didn’t either.

    Protobirdguy was on annual camp. Zulu’s regiment were the enemy. So here’s Bruce coming off piquet at 3am. Dark as the inside of a giraffe. Reaches hoochie whereupon gets into a conversation with an unseen gentleman. As you do at 3am on a dark night in Newnes State Forest. Conversation continues for a short while then wet-behind-ears protobirdguy decides to let off a blank from his SLR…

    Laconic comment from about 3m away “please point your rifle down when you do that”…

    Worked but, naughty slinky Air Defense guys went away!


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  6. I actually laughed out loud at that. Sorry Chiefs of Staff people. Zeroes were a match for just about anything until the Mustang. Buffaloes um, weren’t.

    I’ve read one account of the first few days of World War Two of a Buffalo pilot straining to gain height, while a Zero – literally – flew rings around him…


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  7. WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke
    Ms Clarke.

    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    7 minutes ago October 22, 2021

    The constable who fatally shot a Yamatji woman as she stood with a bread knife and a pair of scissors in a residential street has been found not guilty by a jury of her murder.

    The West Australian Supreme Court jury in Perth also found the police officer not guilty of the manslaughter of the 29-year-old mother of one.

    There was crying in the courtroom as the jury foreperson told Supreme Court Justice Robert Mitchell they found the officer not guilty on both counts.

    The woman has been referred to in court only as Ms Clarke at the request of her family.

    The officer, whose identity is suppressed by the court, killed Ms Clarke on September 17, 2019, in as she stood holding a bread knife with a 30cm blade in Petchell Street, Geraldton, about 420km north of Perth.

    During the 13-day trial, the officer gave evidence in his own defence, saying he thought Ms Clarke was going to stab him as he stood facing her and pointing his firearm at her.

    He said she adopted a fighting stance and raised her right hand with the knife in it. The jury heard he was standing three to four metres from Ms Clarke and had ordered her to “drop the f..king knife”.

    She had already failed to comply with several other orders to drop the knife from other officers at the scene, including a police officer who was standing close to the accused officer pointing an unactivated taser at Ms Clarke.

    The prosecution described the accused’s decision to draw his gun and shoot Ms Clarke as “reckless and thoughtless” and told the jury that he acted so far that he “completely deprived himself and his colleagues of every single strategic and tactical advantage that they had”.

    But the officer’s defence lawyer Linda Black told the jury Ms Clarke was angry and fiery that day and displaying a level of defiance that put officers in danger.



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  8. When we were teenagers I had a borrowed .22 with a decent magazine (10-15 shots).
    Had a shooting comp with my brother from only about 25 yards at a cardboard target up against a hay bale.
    I hit it every time and he couldn’t make an impression.
    What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).


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  9. Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    I have heard this before, it may not fire a projectile but it still fires a charge which can be fatal at close range. You certainly don’t want to be on the receiving end of 10s of thousands of psi of compressed air.


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  10. IIRC, an Australian pilot in a Wirraway shot a Zero down over Buna, late 1942/early 1943.

    Wow, BJ, that guy was a hero indeed. They were trainers, but when there’s nothing else that’s what you fly.

    I had a look at the Brewster Buffalo wiki just now. Apart from the Fins, who Eyrie mentioned, there are one RNZAF, one Pom and two Australian Buffalo aces. Bloody heroes each of them, they are, too.


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  11. What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).

    That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres


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  12. Rafe Championsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    My father used to say “Remarkable how many people get killed by unloaded weapons.”

    Alternatively: Don’t worry, its empty.

    I know because my uncle died in such circumstances.
    I was at high school and went to school the next day when I was asked in the playground by two teachers ‘were you related to XX on the front page of the SMH today’.


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  13. WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke
    Ms Clarke.

    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    7 minutes ago October 22, 2021

    The constable who fatally shot a Yamatji woman as she stood with a bread knife and a pair of scissors in a residential street has been found not guilty by a jury of her murder.

    Sad but fair. Mad people with knives are dangerous.


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  14. BJ – Your memory is excellent. Wirraway wiki:

    On 12 December 1942, the Wirraway achieved its only shoot-down of an enemy aircraft—thought to be a Mitsubishi A6M Zero at the time, but later determined to be a Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa[2]—while flown by Pilot Officer John S. “Jack” Archer.

    Ki-43s look a lot like Zeros.


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  15. That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres

    Can’t remember what they were, but they made no impression on a target 25 yards away.
    The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.
    Also, a 410 was harmless over 40 yards.
    Never tempted to test any of those theories.


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  16. What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?

    I would class a blank as a live round.

    As a young Private on his IET, young Diogenes remembers his Section Commander setting up a watermelon on a stump, loading a single blank in the SLR and shooting the melon.

    Lesson learned !


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  17. The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.

    .32’s, yes. .38s, no.

    There’s a pile of dead shitbags that can vouch for that.


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  18. Knuckle Draggersays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:12 pm

    WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke

    Take note, NT top-rung jacks.

    I didn’t follow this closely, but the bits I read smelt of rampant jealousies within the force.
    Wasn’t there another SJW copper (probably ‘digenous liaison) saying that Ms Clarke was basically harmless and he had talked her out of a similar situation weeks beforehand?
    Sounded a little like disgruntled diggers in Afghanistan putting a whole jar of mayo on their war crime stories.


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  19. Knuckle Draggersays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.

    .32’s, yes. .38s, no.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a case in point as to why you don’t try gun stunts you heard about from a bloke in a pub.


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  20. https://www.historynet.com/brewster-buffalo-finland.htm

    Transitioned to Brewsters, Juutilainen called the 239s “fat hustlers, just like bees. They had speed, agility and good weaponry, too.…We were happy to take them anywhere to take on any opponent.”

    From 1941 to ’44 LeLv 24 Brewsters claimed 477 victories for the loss of 19 in combat and six more in accidents or destroyed on the ground. Many have claimed that at 25-to-1 Finnish Brewsters recorded the highest victory-loss ratio of the war, but in fact that title belonged to the Grumman/Eastern FM-2 version of the F4F. Flying from escort carriers in 1944–45, the “Wilder Wildcat” scored a 32-to-1 record, undoubtedly the highest ratio of the piston era.

    Between early 1943 and early ’44 the Finnish air force converted four of its six fighter units to Messerschmitt Me 109Gs, though the surviving Brewsters remained operational through war’s end.

    RTWT. They weren’t just up against early war Soviet fighters. Good training and good tactics count.


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  21. I got told by a heady overly excited couple of melbournians today that Victoria is now the most free state in Australia.

    The Bat Eared Mong is a symptom.


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  22. On 12 December 1942, the Wirraway achieved its only shoot-down of an enemy aircraft—thought to be a Mitsubishi A6M Zero at the time, but later determined to be a Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa[2]—while flown by Pilot Officer John S. “Jack” Archer.

    Used to have a next door neighbour once who was a fighter pilot by the name of John Archer (“Starch”).


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  23. Diogenessays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?

    I would class a blank as a live round.

    Yes.
    I don’t think Entertainment reporters would know much about the subject.
    Nor do I really, except that the armorer should have absolute control over any arms used on set.
    I’ll bet the insurance policy covering production mishaps will have lots of very explicit exclusions for improper and uncontrolled use of firearms.


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  24. I didn’t follow this closely, but the bits I read smelt of rampant jealousies within the force.
    Wasn’t there another SJW copper (probably ‘digenous liaison) saying that Ms Clarke was basically harmless and he had talked her out of a similar situation weeks beforehand?

    He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.” W.T.F. was he doing, carrying a weapon?


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  25. My younger brother joined the AAR. That may be true, younger brothers tend to want to do what older brothers did, it being a testosterone thing. RAR not SUR though (which is regiment I was in, he attended the same uni). RAR got better stuff.

    One of the stories he tells is when he got to fire a Charlie Gutsache blank. Great fun, although knowing my brother I’m not entirely sure such things actually exist. I had to carry the tube around on exercises, and shout “bang” at appropriate times. I never got to fire it.

    Then he told me the fun thing was to put a full Coke can in the tube in front of the blank, and fire it at an APC…

    Brothers, of course, are well known to be good BSAs. He’s now an internet CEO and quite well off, although he works like a Trojan.


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  26. He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.”

    Obviously Alec Baldwin will be cast in that role when the fillem is made.


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  27. Sources told Deadline, which initially reported that the incident occurred when Baldwin reportedly “cocked a gun during a rehearsal, unaware that there were live rounds in it, hitting two people, a man and a woman.”

    To the best of my knowledge, mere possession of operational (as against blank) rounds anywhere on a film set is cause for instant dismissal, a total ban on ever working in the industry again and, where appropriate, law enforcement intervention.


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  28. What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).

    That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres

    Both exist – and he was there so I will allow they might be what he said.
    The crimped blanks for .22 you might find include captive bolt guns for slaughtering, and Ramset nail gun cartridges for fixing nails into hard stuff. The little RWS acorn headstamp ones for starting guns are not likely to feed so would spoil the story.


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  29. There is no possible way that it could be a staged arrangement which went wrong. Directors are directors. They aren’t in the film. I can imagine him being stupid (‘hey guys they’re only blanks! *bam* *bam* See? Oops.’) since he’s never been the brightest shearer in the shed, but I can’t imagine how this could occur in a planned but unsafely managed manner.

    Brucie, directors aren’t in movies, but they do ummm direct. Perhaps he was showing the actors how he wanted the scene played out .


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  30. Chris, I have a vague memory that there was a dob of purple or blue paint on the crimped end.
    By crimped, I don’t mean flattened, I mean a ten or twelve sided puckered in star shaped crimp.


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  31. He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.” W.T.F. was he doing, carrying a weapon?

    When I got raided by the cops I had to show the glock carrying muppets how to check for clear on every single firearm. 1% of them are competent to use a BB gun safely.


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  32. Sanford and Zulu.

    The appalling shot chap is pretty well my best mate of over 35 years.

    He didn’t think she was harmless, just he had encountered and arrested her in similar circumstances weeks before.
    Also worth remembering of the 8 cops on the scene only 3 of the 8 left their vehicles.
    5 of them preferred to air in the cars as “ backup”.

    As I explained to him, the prosecution had to paint him as doing a good job. The defence had to paint him as reckless or not acting right or their gambit was rooted.

    It is, based on past performance he may have talked her down or disarmed her.

    He’s pissed off that the defence lawyer labeled him and it’s stuck.
    But at the same time reliever the cop was found not guilty.
    It was a shit charge.

    Now for the Feraldton riots to start.


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  33. Also, the guy I borrowed the rifle off was mates with a bloke who worked at the abs, and I kind of recall that is where they came from.
    Think about that.
    A teenager borrowing a rifle from another teenager, whose mate can just pick up a handful of charge rounds used in the bolt gun used at work.
    Different times.


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  34. Lol , okay Brucie, have it your way. Brucie, let’s be brutally honest. Your explanation about mask wearing was absolutely deplorable and nothing will change change that. Not even those sad attempts at appealing to authority.


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  35. Yes mole.
    Three degrees separation.
    What really happened.
    What evidence was advanced in court about that.
    How that evidence was reported (or what was not reported).
    And finally, how I skim-read bits of that report.


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  36. That should be Sanchez
    Bloody spellwrecker

    He’s a appalling shot but an extremely competent martial artist.
    Far prefers the biffo if it comes to that.
    His bucks night saw him dispatch 7 of the 12 chaps ( + 2 wailing woggettes egging them on) who wanted to find some skips to beat up.
    I got to bust one sods nose before being sucker punched and the 3 rd member of our party didn’t even take a swing.


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  37. One of the stories he tells is when he got to fire a Charlie Gutsache blank. Great fun, although knowing my brother I’m not entirely sure such things actually exist. I had to carry the tube around on exercises, and shout “bang” at appropriate times. I never got to fire it.

    On my ROBC got to fire a real one, as well as run that range. mmmmmmmmm almost as good as firing a bank of claymores.

    When I commanded the “enemy” (a dozen or so diggers pretending to be a platoon, 3 M60s, 3 gutsaches etc) for an exercise with 5/7RAR (when they still had the M113), we used to take the BFA off one SLR, stick in the back of Gutsache & pull the trigger to simulate firing of the real one. It certainly got the attention of the crew more than a simple “bang”.


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  38. Victor Tothsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 9:07 pm
    Now that we know that virology is more controlled junk science, it’s time to look at the failed logic of what the priesthood was trying to tell us.

    Hello again Graeme, persistent, aren’t you?


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  39. I’ve been listening to a great interview on Discernable the last hour with Prof Nickolai Petrovsky, Prof of Medicine at Flinders. He’s behind the development of COVAX-19, a traditional protein-based COVID vaccine that is being rolled out in Iran as we speak. Likely no chance we’ll see it here because they compete with CSL and the latter’s connection to the Dept of Health is long-standing. He had a lot to say about adverse events and their systematic downplaying, vaccine mandates, among other things. What he said about viral vector vaccines was interesting because it explains why production of AZ will cease in November. He said that the body becomes immune to the viral vector and this makes viral vector boosters useless.


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  40. Anyway. “Sliante” to all on the Cat. Memsahib’s out of day surgery at the local hospital, with an almost clean bill of health . The condition that stated it all – misdiagnosed three times, FFS – is almost eradicated after being prescribed the correct medication……..


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  41. JC:

    I tried to take the bet, which you subsequently turned into a bet for dollar. What exactly am I lying about, you venom filled imbecile? I took a bet you ostentatiously posted a few days ago.

    Your reply:

    Yes please. I’d like to take up the bet. I would like to bet that the Western economy is not going to halve and that the inflation rate which is currently running at about 4.5% will not double to 9%.
    Let’s bet a decent amount here and of course we escrow. The bet will commence from today.

    I put in a clarification:
    The bet – One clarification and one non negotiable demand:
    1. “Anyone care to bet on the growth * in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
    Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.
    *Insert growth rate as a clarification, which is inferred if not explicitly stated.
    2. You stop calling me childish names -this is serious business.
    3. The bet is for the usual – $1. (Thanks Trading Places.)
    Tell you what – I’ll even remove the “stop calling me childish names” because you’re obviously incapable of reaching an adult level of interaction.
    Nowhere did you put an amount of money on the wager.
    So I did. $1.


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  42. He said that the body becomes immune to the viral vector and this makes viral vector boosters useless.

    Okay, but why wouldn’t that principle also apply to flu boosters? These days they recommend booster shots for the flu a few months after.


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  43. I’ve been listening to a great interview on Discernable the last hour with Prof Nickolai Petrovsky, Prof of Medicine at Flinders.

    Dover, I caught the end of it, why is there this ongoing obsession that you need to “do” something about pandemics? This fucking thing has killed less than the 2017 flu and yet how many has the “doing” killed?

    When these motherfuckers can produce a vaccine that performs as advertised then I will listen, for the moment they’re no better than fucking snake oil salesman.


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  44. Turtle Head you were quite okay with those making racist slurs against me . In fact you joined them in pile on attempts, you clown. When the posse was destroyed you then threatened Sinclair with legal action because it was being mean to you , you ridiculous clown.

    You made an assertion about the economies, offered a bet, which I took up and you came back wanting to bet a dollar. You subsequently raised that to 2 dollars. In other words you’re a joke.. a buffoon.

    For wanting to make bet, you’re calling me lying piece of shit.

    You shouldn’t just disgust me, but everyone else here who’s halfway normal.


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  45. Okay, but why wouldn’t that principle also apply to flu boosters? These days they recommend booster shots for the flu a few months after.

    I think “booster” is the wrong word in some respects, because the flu vax each year is an amalgam of the 3, 4 or 5 most likely candidates, and it differs each year.
    I don’t know how long it’s protective qualities last. Maybe months, maybe a year.
    A moot point because in a temperate climate, flu is mostly a winter thing.


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  46. The corflute mightier than the cordite?

    I doubt it.

    I patched enough Figure 11s between range shoot serials to agree with you wholehertedly on this.

    Rolls and rolls of Orange and Black sticky dots…


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  47. Let me spell out how clever the “awful shot” line was.
    Was there any point in the prosecution further pressing why the chap closest to danger was unarmed?

    All the jury and public remember is that line.
    Perfectly dropped at the perfect time.


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  48. Sanchez..

    I was advised of a flu booster shot in June after having the first shot around April. The booster for both the flu and Covid would broadly be working the same way in terms of offering stronger immunity as it’s waning and perhaps offer defense against variants.

    What are you saying?


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  49. Bruce of Newcastle says: Zeroes were a match for just about anything until the Mustang.

    Hmm….dunno about that Bruce.

    I’d rather be flying in a Hurricane or a P-40 Kittyhawk in the Pacific against the Zero.

    Either would get you home when damaged as opposed to the Zero which could be pretty frail. Also no armour or self-sealing tanks.

    In a dogfight the Zero would win. The trick was not to get into such a fight. Get up high; swoop on the bombers; zoom and have another go, and then bugger off before the Zeroes could catch you.


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  50. JCsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 9:58 pm

    Sanchez..

    I was advised of a flu booster shot in June after having the first shot around April.

    Was it a booster?
    That is, a repeat of the original dose?
    Or was it a different vax?
    When all this stuff started, I looked up my vax record on Medicare.
    It’s a different one each year, aimed at the flu strains they think might be prevalent.
    Maybe they got word that they backed the wrong horse in April and put together a new shot in June.
    Dunno.
    My doc is normally hot to trot on the flu vax, but he hasn’t mentioned a second one.
    Maybe the second one was full of nano wriggler reinforcements.


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  51. WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke

    Why didn’t he shoot her in the leg?
    Remember Biden at one of the debates?
    Shoot ’em in the leg.


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  52. JCsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    Sanchez
    I don’t know. They call it a booster and the doc once told me it was needed because the first shot loses potency pretty quickly.

    I will ask my doc next appointment.
    I am keen to get as many vaccines into me as I can.
    Even the one they give teenage girls to prevent ovarian cancer.
    I want that one too.


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  53. At around 6pm I walked from the office to where I park the car.
    5 of the 6 bars I walked past were open & appeared to be heaving.
    The one that wasn’t is a hole in the wall wine bar that might be brown bread.


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  54. Arkysays:

    October 22, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    Nothing wrong with a good dose of the flu.
    Fairies.

    Bwah ha ha ha ha.
    Except what most people call “the flu” is actually a cold or mild throat infection.


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  55. HOP Time™

    Claimed. Those deserving of it do not and will not escape the consequences of their inexcusable fascist grounding down of those of us who weren’t deemed to be in that special class, however the former might seek to redefine themselves.

    We know who you are. 🙂


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  56. I’d rather be flying in a Hurricane or a P-40 Kittyhawk in the Pacific against the Zero.

    F4F Hellcat would be my choice, simple to fly, built like a tank, plenty of firepower and could mix it with them on turn fight.


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  57. The family of the Aboriginal woman shot dead on September 17, 2019, wept in the courtroom and told reporters outside the verdict was the result of a racist justice system and a jury comprised entirely of non-Aboriginal people.



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  58. Dotsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    I was advised of a flu booster shot in June after having the first shot around April.

    Either your doctor is an utter genius or a complete idiot.

    I reckon the doc has accidentally given him the wrong one in April (anthrax, diptheria, rabies, thrip, whatever) then given him the flu vax in June and called it a “booster”.


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  59. rickw says:
    October 22, 2021 at 9:43 pm

    Rick, there’s an interesting vid I referred to earlier tonight – for some reason I couldn’t put up the link. 8 top doctors & scientists talking about how to deal with the virus – early intervention is the key – ivermectin etc-


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  60. feelthebernsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    At around 6pm I walked from the office to where I park the car.
    5 of the 6 bars I walked past …

    Wait!
    What?
    You walked past a bar?
    That is very gay.


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  61. Hey, young peoples – if you want to know everything about collectivism and the many, many evils it has visited on humanitee (and will continue to do so), then you only need to read Animal Farm and 1984.

    Then pray that you don’t have to exist through those monstrous scenarios.


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  62. JC:

    Turtle Head you were quite okay with those making racist slurs against me . In fact you joined them in pile on attempts, you clown. When the posse was destroyed you then threatened Sinclair with legal action because it was being mean to you , you ridiculous clown.

    Is this about the bit where one of the girls called you the “Italian Stallion” and you strutted around here for a week like a rooster with it’s first erection crowing “Check this out girlies?”
    That wasn’t racist – it was speciest.
    I think it was the poor girl who was abused by her dad and was a psychological mess. Ellie?

    I wasn’t the only one who noticed that.


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  63. if Trump had said, “Ivermectin is shit. I am going to ban it

    Counterfactuals Squire, are wonderful, except that they will never exist.

    Ivermectin has been demonised purely because Fattee Trump advocated it.

    We are no better than the Aztecs, sacrificing virgins into a volcano.


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  64. Prof Petrovesky also said that the efficacy/safety numbers they gave from the clinical trials were inflated and that the number of participants used are simply unable to diagnose adverse events because not enough people are involved. If you have X occurring 1 in 30,000 and you enrol only 20,000 you aren’t going to capture that adverse event. Re efficacy, the difference between the active and placebo is tiny too, and you can’t say anything re hospitalization and death, merely infection.


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  65. Dotsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 10:52 pm
    How common are three monthly booster shots for the flu?

    Never heard of that before today.

    ..
    I think we now know why medicare costs so much. It’s all these weirdos running to the doctor to get shots every three minutes.


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  66. if Trump had said, “Ivermectin is shit. I am going to ban it

    Counterfactuals Squire, are wonderful, except that they will never exist.

    Ivermectin has been demonised purely because Fattee Trump advocated it.

    We are no better than the Aztecs, sacrificing virgins into a volcano.

    No he didn’t. As far as I’m aware, he never even mentioned it. It was HCQ which he advocated as, by the way, Fauci did way back in 2005 but, of course, that’s been memory holed.

    However, as regards both HCQ and Ivermectin they had to be discredited by any and every means (including fake studies) to enable the experimental drugs they were pushing to get emergency approval. To get the money rolling and the worldwide population control reset started. Apart from anything else, how could they possibly have ginned up the necessary fear level if there were cheap and effective therapeutics available – which there were and still are. I think it was in 2019 – pre-Covid – that the Canadian couple who owned the largest HCQ manufacturing company were murder/suicided. What a coincidence. Nothing whatever to do with Trump, they simply used his comment to their ends and, of course, to abuse him as always.


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  67. Except what most people call “the flu” is actually a cold or mild throat infection.

    Oh yes. Exhbit A: The young bloke. Comes home from his job last night. A bit snuffly and weary.
    ‘I think I have influenza.’

    Not looking up from the teev: ‘No you don’t.’
    ‘How can you tell?’

    ‘You are alive.’


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  68. body becomes immune to the viral vector and this makes viral vector boosters useless.

    interesting this has been known for quite a while
    Progress and Prospects: Immune Responses to Viral Vectors. Mar 2010
    Viral vectors are potent gene delivery platforms for treatment of genetic and acquired diseases. However, just as viruses have evolved to infect cells efficiently, the immune system has evolved to fight off what it perceives as invading pathogens. Therefore, innate immunity and antigen-specific adaptive immune responses against vector-derived antigens reduce the efficacy and stability of in vivo gene transfer.


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  69. Kelly Slater up thread (thanks DB).

    What would really push some boundaries in that sub-group would be declaring it’s time to start culling sharks, especially great whites.


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  70. British nuclear sub’s visit may be Astute ad

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    Britain will press its case to build Australia’s promised nuclear-powered submarines during an upcoming visit by a British ­nuclear boat to Perth.

    The Astute-class submarine has been sailing in a task group with British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth on its maiden voyage through the Indo-Pacific.

    Defence sources in Canberra and Western Australia have confirmed the fast attack boat is scheduled to visit Perth naval base HMAS Stirling – the home of Australia’s Collins-class submarines – in coming weeks.

    The British will use the visit to showcase the Astute’s capabilities to the Royal Australian Navy, with Australian sailors and officers expected to go to sea on the UK nuclear boat.

    The submarine could also engage in exercises with an Australian Collins-class submarine, after taking on a Japanese Soryu-class sub in underwater drills last month.

    HMS Artful, the third of the Astute-class, was initially sailing with the carrier strike group, but another submarine, either HMS Astute or HMS Ambush, was more recently spotted with the group.

    The scheduled visit comes just weeks after British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said he believed the UK would build Australia’s nuclear-powered subs. “We are in a strong position to help the Australians achieve that capability so I am very confident that British engineering, British skills, Australian nous, will deliver a very good submarine,” Mr Wallace said this month.

    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has also suggested Australia’s new submarines would be British-made, and AUKUS would create “hundreds” of highly skilled jobs across the UK and reinforce Britain’s place “at the leading edge of science and technology”.



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  71. When they aren’t referring to English Roses as “Snobbish badlee dressed women who look like horses”.

    Yet they wonder why most people on this planet regard them as arrogant insufferable pigs.

    Sacre bleu, froggees, let’s have a contretemps … 🙂


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  72. Someone upthread mentioned “Alexa”.
    Reminded me I must pay a few visits to get some Alexas to play horror movies theme songs from midnight on Halloween.
    The scotch bonnets are coming along nicely to be put out as mini pumpkins.
    American holidays. They can kiss my arse.


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  73. Sol Levy Tobacconist was also on that strip, the shop had traded for over 100 years. Closed in 2014.

    Sydney Tech in 1963 where I did the Day Matric was just around the corner in Harris Street. I used to often go to the small tech library to study and then walk home to my basement room in a seedy part of town. Before setting off I would call into the Orion Cafe (we called it the Onion) next to the pub on the corner and have my evening meal of their sausages, tomato, mashed potato, peas and two slices of bread and butter with a cup of tea – around two or three shillings. I liked the area. Used to work copywriting in an advertising agency in lower Sussex Street before that so was also familiar with Dixon Street but it was in another life to tech. I found the Malaya Restaurant early on, but my best memories are of going there with the thesis year honours class at SU for my u/grad degree in 1967.

    In the days at tech in 1963, sometimes I’d pick up a Chinese meal from a hole-in-the-wall shop down at Circula Quay close by to where I lived and eat it when I got in – always the same, chicken, rice and tomato sauce with onions – always delicious. I made some good friends at the tech, but at around four or five years younger than me they all lived at home, so my weeknight evenings were often very lonely; I’d moved away from the advertising crowd by then. Weekends though, the Day Matric had parties and good times, not often, but fun. They put on a rip-roaring twenty-first birthday for me. Their card said ‘we were always told to respect our elders’. I hope you realise, I told them, that until I met youse lot I put my age up two years so anyone knowing me before would think I was now 23. They were mainly wayward North Shore and Eastern Suburbs kids from private schools having another go at the Leaving Certificate. More big homes and another world, just like the advertising crowd, but I had no pretending to do with them about being educated and sophisticated. They were all agape at my ‘independent living’ and impressed with some original artworks in my room which some previous friends had loaned to me.


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  74. Sol Levy Tobacconist was also on that strip, the shop had traded for over 100 years. Closed in 2014.

    Not to mention the Crystal Palace Hotel, essentially a Malaya pre drinks. There were also a couple of gun shops if I recall rightly.


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  75. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 22, 2021 at 11:56 pm

    ..
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
    Someone get Lizzie somewhere she can write a travelogue stat.


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  76. Sol Levy Tobacconist was also on that strip, the shop had traded for over 100 years. Closed in 2014.

    Not to mention the Crystal Palace Hotel, essentially a Malaya pre drinks. There were also a couple of gun shops if I recall rightly.

    Mick Smith’s Gun Shop.
    Historian Richard Raxworthy, noted for his skilled interviews with tradespeople, & author of (amongst other things) a book on John Bradfield* recorded this 50 minutes of interview with him.

    For those who read faster than they listen, transcript of the interview is in .pdf form, 22 pages.

    For those who have an interest in:
    Gunshops, guns & politics of the gun trade.
    History of Sydney/Australia (post war)
    Charming Australiana & Australians in general.

    I thoroughly recommend listening to this interview.

    *The John Bradfield, of Sydney Harbour Bridge, Brisbane Storey Bridge, proponent of Bradfield scheme, & etc


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  77. Historian Richard Raxworthy is a subject almost as interesting as Mick Smith:

    Richard Raxworthy was born in England on 25 April 1932. He was educated at a boarding school called Loughborough College School in Leicestershire. He worked in his father’s factory after school but after his father died when Richard was 19, the factory had to be closed.

    He joined the Navy and later moved to Australia when he was 35. He got married and had one son. His career as a social historian began in the 1980s.

    He was propelled on his late career as a social historian (specialising in oral history) by completing a BA in Communications at the University of Technology, Sydney. His selected subjects of social history, writing for television and radio and biography, obviously were great training for what was to come.

    To the world at large, Mr Raxworthy is mostly known as an oral historian of workers on the Sydney Harbour Bridge. The State Library of NSW has digitised his recordings with workers who constructed the Sydney Harbour Bridge and are greatly celebrated. His interest in the bridge and its construction developed after realising that 1982 was the 50th anniversary of its opening.

    He set off upon a mission of interviewing as many people as possible who were still alive and who worked on the building of Sydney Harbour Bridge and the rest (excuse the pun) is history.




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  78. Dot:

    Oil Prices Could Explode As U.S.’ Largest Storage Hub Nears Empty

    I mentioned several days ago that the supply issues affecting the West may be a deliberate ploy to force the US and Europe to continue to draw down their oil stocks to cripple the US economy.
    So two questions to be answered:
    1. Will/can the Canadians make up for the shortfall via the pipelines – and can the cancelled pipeline be built/filled quickly enough to make a difference?
    2. Is the Strategic Petroleum Reserve able to fulfill the demand for fuel, and can it be drawn down quickly enough to make a difference?
    3. According to the chart here, the Reserve is authorised to hold 727 million barrels, but is currently at 615 million barrels.
    4. …aaand – our reserves of diesel are safely stored in the US.


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  79. Winston Smith says:
    October 23, 2021 at 6:20 am

    I mentioned several days ago that the supply issues affecting the West may be a deliberate ploy to force the US and Europe to continue to draw down their oil stocks to cripple the US economy.

    I missed that, not around often, but you may have your finger on it.

    As to our reserve diesel is stored in the US?
    That has to be a deliberate piss take by the government, nobody and I mean nobody, not even a politician can be that stupid as to call that a “strategic reserve” to be drawn upon in an emergency.


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  80. I expect all this fake Manchin opposition to the Biden spending bill will end the day after the Virginia elections (Melbourne Cup day).

    Why would he care about Virginia voters? Manchin is a Senator for the great state of West Virginia.

    There are no state-wide votes scheduled for West Virginia this year.


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  81. FlyingPigs says:
    October 23, 2021 at 4:25 am

    Now that Australia is a proven fascist economy can we get the oligarch food dispensers to cook some decent chips???
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    Make your own Triple Cooked Chips & you’ll never buy chips again.

    Fork pierce one side of a few decent sized spuds, zap ’em 5 minutes forked side down then another fork side up.
    Meanwhile have the oven heating to top heat.
    After zapping give ’em another 5 minutes in the oven, just enough to crisp the skin.
    Get ’em out, cut in half to speed the cooling to a heat you can handle.
    Meanwhile get the oil heated in a fryer or pot.
    Peel the crispy skin off (or not; I like the skin fried quickly, separately), and cut into about 6 to chunky chips per spud.
    Don’t over crowd, cook in smaller batches until literally golden brown.
    The rough surface browns super crisp, with that crispy roast potato flavour, the inside is a fluffy delight.
    Salt. Devour.
    It’s sounds more fiddly than normal peeled & fried chips but isn’t.
    Most of the work is done by the microwave & oven & the hands on work is quick & easy.


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