Open Thread-Mon 18 Oct 2021


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2,892 responses to “Open Thread-Mon 18 Oct 2021”

  1. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    DoverCat doesn’t like mathematical symbols for less than, more than used together.

  2. Winston Smith Avatar

    Cohen/Matt Canavan:
    Best Part Award – … climate change activism has become the new ‘white man’s burden’.

  3. Dot Avatar

    Very mainstream.

    Mudblood = Muggles

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Grace Tame reveals she was not consulted on the government’s sex abuse strategy

    Olivia Caisley
    Reporter
    @livcaisley
    An hour ago October 22, 2021
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    Australian of the Year and sexual assault survivor Grace Tame says she was not consulted on the Morrison government’s national strategy for the prevention of child sexual abuse.

    The 10-year-plan, which will establish a co-ordinated and nationally consistent approach to preventing abuse, will be released next week, four years after it was recommended by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse.

    Ms Tame, who has long campaigned for prioritising abuse prevention, told the ABC on Friday she had not been involved in the drafting of the strategy, but would have liked to have been.

    “No, I haven’t. I haven’t been involved in the drafting of that,” she said. “Sure. I mean, that’s my job and I’ve been banging on about it all year. That we should be focusing on prevention.”

    However, she said she didn’t want to complain about not being invited to participate in its drafting.

    “I think it’s really important that we are teaching kids as early as possible to know their rights and also to be aware of these behaviours,” she said. “Now it’s not — it’s not the responsibility of children to stop abuse. You know, that’s not fair. It’s the responsibility of adults, it’s the responsibility of the whole community to tackle the issue of child sexual abuse.”

    Ms Tame called for a multifaceted approach that included input from survivors, experts and policy makers.

    “We need to hear from victim survivors, we need to hear from experts, we need the input of policy and decision-makers, we need educators, everyone needs to be involved and the focus should be on prevention,” she said.

    “Knowledge is power and we need to be equipping kids as early as possible.”

    Scott Morrison on Friday told 2GB the government and law authorities needed to “go after” perpetrators of childhood sexual assault with “everything we’ve got.”

    The Prime Minister told Question Time on Thursday the government’s strategy would include a 10-year plan and “deliver ambitious and world-leading measures to prevent and respond to all forms of child sexual abuse.”

    He said the government had set aside $146m for the first four years of the strategy.

    The government has been contacted for comment.

  5. calli Avatar
    calli

    Sounds like Harry Potter to me.

    I would like a flying car. Was it a Hillman Imp?

  6. Dot Avatar

    I don’t see the same from the pro vaccination who generally seem to try putting up reasonable arguments supported by facts.

    I don’t know what your point is. I don’t want the COVID vaccine and I STILL get the ill will that you do.

    Some people, are just rabid and have tunnel vision.

  7. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Alec Baldwin Just Shot & Killed a Crew Member On Set – “Accidently”

    Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tuscon…ALEC BAWLDWIN.

    Enough.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PBfytMkrw

    The lady this piece of shit killed was talented and a looker. Liability both compensatory and criminally is going to be interesting.

  8. Dot Avatar

    Grace Tame reveals she was not consulted on the government’s sex abuse strategy

    BREAKING

    Anonymous blog reader “Dot” (?) informs Ms Tame she is not an elected representative nor does she hold a statutory or judicial commission of any kind.

  9. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Dot,
    SRR stands for Scroll Rapidly Round, you satanist! 😛

  10. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    DoverCat doesn’t like mathematical symbols for less than, more than used together.

    Trying &lt.&gt.

  11. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    HMMM, that did not work.

  12. calli Avatar
    calli

    People are under stress. Bigtime. You have to expect the feathers to fly.

    I have found that the least judgemental and most free-thinking comments, or non commenting, has come from those most impacted by the while sh*tshow. The ones who have been alone, under curfew, now looking at losing their jobs.

    This doesn’t come as a surprise.

  13. calli Avatar
    calli

    And some with young families too. You have to be impressed.

  14. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Because the meeja has to dumb everything down, you’re either a provaxxer or antivaxxer.

    I, personally, an vax agnostic.

    If you’re allowed to have 51 gender fluidities, fuck me, I’m somewhere between 2 and 50 of the 51 vax fluidities.

  15. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Here’s A Suggestion:

    HMMM, that did not work.

    No help here, sorry.

  16. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Woof!
    https://thesydneyinstitute.com.au/blog/issue-564/

    Nancy’s Friday edition is out. I’ll be off for a while..

  17. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Yes and some people talk about what they are enduring and others keep it to themselves and just want to have reasonable discussions as a distraction from what they have no control over.

  18. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    I would like a flying car. Was it a Hillman Imp?

    I believe it was Ford Anglia.

  19. caveman Avatar
    caveman

    Anonymous blog reader “Dot” (?) informs Ms Tame she is not an elected representative nor does she hold a statutory or judicial commission of any kind.

    Tell that to Chant n Young.

  20. Miss Anthropist Avatar
    Miss Anthropist

    Ambitious young soldiers should be punctilious about saluting in the field. Not only are you left alone but it can lead to a varied and exciting career

  21. calli Avatar
    calli

    Aha! It was too!

    Ugly little buggers, the both of them.

  22. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    have reasonable discussions as a distraction from what they have no control over.

    ..
    Take up knitting. This is a politics blog.

  23. sfw Avatar
    sfw

    ‘KD at 12:47.
    Are you on Nilk’s Discordant Cats?’

    I looked at it but too fiddly and I like it here, although the recent behavior of the less cultured cognoscenti has required the proprietor to remove the Chesterfields and the good glassware and replace it with plastic chairs and plastic cups, it’s still ok but not as nice.

    Pity I’ve followed nilk on and off for a long time, I especially liked her blog about Doveton and surrounds.

  24. Dot Avatar

    Ambitious young soldiers should be punctilious about saluting in the field. Not only are you left alone but it can lead to a varied and exciting career

    Men in the west, especially Australian men, should not join the Army.

    What do you get back in return?

    You can get a good salary elsewhere.

    You are no longer fighting for freedom. You’re also a second class citizen for being a man, and most likely, white.

    Let the stunning and brave women and trannies fight. Let them be the cops as well…and prison guards and firefighters.

  25. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Ugly little buggers, the both of them.

    I quite like the Anglia.

    It’s the first car I remember going for a ride in when I was c. 2 y.o..

    The roof’s interior lining had little stars all over it.

  26. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    Indolent. Fat Tony. Don’t come in here stinking up the place with official data. Nobody wants to know.

    Geddit?

  27. Dot Avatar

    Mastercard is beating the government here and in the US to the punch.

    Internet RealID System Coming Soon, Courtesy of Mastercard!

    Raging Golden Eagle
    69.9K subscribers

    I’m once again vindicated as the west follows China’s footsteps in destroying all freedom and privacy on the internet. Except as usual western governments don’t have the balls to do it themselves, they strong-arm private companies into it…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vYmecNGZIQ

  28. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Some Cats would benefit from DMT.
    It’s not gay & it’s cooler than Thorium.

  29. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    Baba says:
    October 22, 2021 at 4:28 pm
    Indolent. Fat Tony. Don’t come in here stinking up the place with official data. Nobody wants to know.

    Sorry Sir – just a rush of blood – won’t happen again, Sir!

  30. Dot Avatar

    I only want DMT if I am guaranteed of talking to the machine elves, them being real and me remembering it all.

  31. Winston Smith Avatar

    The Bet:
    The core bet* – One clarification.

    “Anyone care to bet on the growth ** in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
    Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.
    **Insert growth rate as a clarification, which is inferred if not explicitly stated.
    The bet is for the usual – $1. (Thanks Trading Places.)

    Not looking good for you JC.
    And don’t bother claiming I’ve altered the scenario – if necessary, I’ll repost the original and let people know what a lying piece of shit you are.

  32. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    I promise nothing Dot. Nothing !

  33. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Some Cats would benefit from DMT.
    It’s not gay & it’s cooler than Thorium.

    Nah, nothing beats gypsum.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ambitious young soldiers should be punctilious about saluting in the field. Not only are you left alone but it can lead to a varied and exciting career

    “Yessir! Snipers in the area Sir! They’re going for the officers, Sir!”

  35. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    calli, those UK numbers were normalised to per 100,000.

  36. Goanna Avatar
    Goanna

    “So everyone was outraged that Essendon players put experimental jabs in their arms, but now we ALL need them?”

    Except for Zaharakis and he came out of it looking good.

    Should one unlucky AFL player have a severe response to the jab either now or later then there will be hell to pay.

  37. calli Avatar
    calli

    Nobody wants to know.

    Not true. I asked a question about the numbers. No one seemed to know or hazard a guess. So the interpretation still remains opaque, to me at least.

    Asking questions shouldn’t be a hanging crime here. You may want to send me to the naughty corner though.

  38. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    As at close of business yesterday, NSW 16 years old & above:
    92.8% double jab.
    83.7% single jab.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Gosh nothing inspires confidence like gab posts from #purebloods

    Rosie – The data table is from the UK government report linked in the gab post.

    Have you got the direct link to the source data?

    Sancho – The data table is from the UK government report linked in the gab post.

    Took me one click to see and read the Gab post and one extra click to open the PDF at the link, then scrolled down to find the table.

    I’ll leave it at this without further commentary. (JC -will probably now turn up “saying do you believe me or your lying eyes?”)

  40. calli Avatar
    calli

    Thanks Eyrie. So proportionally more vaxxed people are getting covid than unvaxxed, regardless of the numbers tested.

    So you have to ask why? Are there behavioural differences? Geographical? Socio-economic?

    Or does vaccination make them more susceptible to infection? How would that work?

  41. John of Mel Avatar
    John of Mel

    Let them be the cops as well…and prison guards and firefighters.

    Speaking of which. Apparently our brand new shiny quarantine camps will be staffed by police and prison guards. For our safety of course.
    Search “Victorian quarantine hub – Community information session” on vic.gov.au.

  42. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Business idea.
    Charter business shuttling NSW punters to the clinic in San Jose for DMT trips.

  43. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Was it a Hillman Imp?

    Well, that made me smile. My very first car, china blue, cost me all of $330 and it served me well until the brakes failed crossing Nicholson St at Park Street one afternoon on my way home from work. 4pm and I sailed through at full speed and there was not another vehicle to be seen. Would have been incredibly messy had I encountered a tram from either direction.

    Still remember it fondly though.

  44. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    Or does vaccination make them more susceptible to infection? How would that work?

    “Vaccines” produce the spike protein.
    COVID produces the spike protein.

    Can we assume the spike proteins are identical?

  45. Miss Anthropist Avatar
    Miss Anthropist

    Thankfully the significant other rose for a while. That garbage wasn’t going to take itself out.
    Just as I thought to check she hadn’t sweated through the sheets she was back in bed.
    Filthy vax pushers.
    I hope she’s up in again to get the animals’ dinner ready. And mine.

  46. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    No one seemed to know or hazard a guess.

    I did.

    And yes, Calli you alone did express interest. I was exercising a bit of poetic licence. I apologise.

  47. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Just spoke to boss, apparently the way the leave system works is that I have next years issue available on a pro-rata basis, have been asked to take that to get me to the 19th of November. Will do this, but won’t touch long service leave no matter what. Site based job so they continue to say no to working from home. Boss recommended that I stop doing all the things I’ve been doing to keep things ticking over.

    This is 1930’s Germany stuff that government is playing, tidbits of new rules, regulations, piecemeal extensions. Everyone hoping that it’s going to get better, but it doesn’t, it never gets better.

    Lives hanging in the balance on one mans decree.

  48. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Ugly little buggers, the both of them.

    Oy, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, calli.
    Or to quote the late, great Adams, D:
    “You cannot see what I see because you see what you see. You cannot know what I know because you know what you know.”

  49. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    I don’t see the same from the pro vaccination who generally seem to try putting up reasonable arguments supported by facts.

    I dont see the vaccinated threatened with loss of jobs, bans from social events and shops and getting to the stage where their kids are threatened with no school unless both parents are jabbed.

    eg..
    As a result, Simone said their one-year-old son – who has had his childhood shots – would no longer be able to attend day care because unvaccinated parents were banned from drop-off while the couple may also need to move back in with Simone’s parents.

    Sick sick shit.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/no-pay-in-2022-for-teachers-who-baulk-at-covid-vaccination-20211014-p5901t.html

    some highlights of that article..
    New data also shows nine construction sites have been closed down since the sector reopened with a vaccine mandate on October 5, while 45 sites have been fined between $1800 and almost $11,000 for breaching regulations.

    On Thursday Health Minister Martin Foley confirmed the mandate would be in place indefinitely.

    Those who refuse to get vaccinated will be prevented from obtaining a worker permit
    ..
    When term one begins on January 28 next year, unvaccinated teachers will no longer be able to access leave entitlements, according to Education Department correspondence circulated to all school staff.

    They will be considered “absent without leave” after that date before the department can legally terminate their employment from April 28.

    Lisa Fitzpatrick, Victorian secretary of the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation, said she did not have data available, but her sense was only a very small number of nurses were adamantly opposed to the vaccine

    “For some people, nothing will change their opinion and that is a shame as we enter the peak of cases,” Ms Fitzpatrick said. “But there are consequences for all choices we make.”

    Unvaccinated arent the ones forcing the muggles to do a damn thing except leave them alone.

  50. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    So you have to ask why?

    Some conjectures…

    The numbers involved mean vaxxed cases will outnumber unvaxxed.

    Pfizer seems to lose effectiveness after 6 months.

    I know this has been mentioned here but clinical study of the issue has been lagging. The Israeli’s have done a study which is undergoing peer review and which will shed more light on just how quickly and at what rate Pfizer loses efficacy. Another study has been completed in the UK. Once these stduies are out they will no doubt shape the discussion on booster shots for Pfizer recipients at least.

    Variants.

    Behaviours and the state of individual immune systems.

  51. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Oy, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, calli.

    Indeed!

  52. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Or does vaccination make them more susceptible to infection? How would that work?

    Well, it doesn’t.

    It’s a dreary statistical population and sampling thing. Baba @ 4:02 sort of describes it.

    But it’s much more fun to pretend that the older vaxxed have been infected with magical properties that attract the Curse of Rona.

  53. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Dot, it is a beautiful place, but for going off-grid you are better off in a warmer location with no snow.

    Snow would be part of the appeal.

    When I was in Japan I would have people say, as if to impress me, that Japan has 4 seasons. I would look them at them with an impish eye and tell them that every country has four seasons. But I knew what they meant. I remember the delight I felt the first time I woke up and found it had snowed overnight. And that was a pretty crappy suburb. But it was enough to breath fresh life back into a wonder I thought I had left back in childhood.

    Summer was the opposite. Not just because it was hot, but because there was no joy in it. It was shit.

  54. dopey Avatar
    dopey

    I’m an alumnus of Cox’s Rd Primary.
    Close to a certain ‘hospital’ out that way.

  55. John of Mel Avatar
    John of Mel

    Snow would be part of the appeal.

    I agree. I miss it a little bit here.
    But for the survival type situation, or just living off-grid, it’s much easier with no cold season.

  56. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Calli.
    There has been a bit of confusing raw numbers and proportional data.
    That was the point I was making the other day.
    We know the vax isn’t fully effective, so some vaxxed people will contract Kung Flu and some will die.
    If we have 98% vaxxed, the fact that the vax is effective is lost in the raw numbers. You could have 100 deaths from the vaxxed and 50 from the unvaxxed, but proportionately the unvaxxed are more impacted.
    The other point is that maybe vax effectiveness decays over time. If that is so, the increase in infections among the vaxed might be among those who were vaxxed 9-10 months ago with diminished protection.
    That is just a guess.

  57. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    It’s a dreary statistical population and sampling thing. Baba @ 4:02 sort of describes it.

    Sort of? I fucking nailed it.

  58. P Avatar
    P

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    Read page 23 of the report :

    “(iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.

    Quote Tweet
    Covid19Crusher
    @Covid19Crusher
    · 13h
    Misled by a false sense of security?

    The pandemic of the vaccinated.

    Official British data out today:

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

  59. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    thefrollickingmolesays:

    October 22, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    I don’t see the same from the pro vaccination who generally seem to try putting up reasonable arguments supported by facts.
    ……….
    I dont see the vaccinated threatened with loss of jobs, bans from social events and shops and getting to the stage where their kids are threatened with no school unless both parents are jabbed.

    I think the point is, mole, that the anger should be directed at those writing and enforcing the rules.
    Not at those who have simply chosen to get vaxed, and are generally against vax mandates.

  60. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    The numbers involved mean vaxxed cases will outnumber unvaxxed.

    Pfizer seems to lose effectiveness after 6 months.

    This is where my hope lies: While people who have been penned up in their homes were brought by fear and isolation to accept, and even clamour for, vaccines. When they have had a chance to reconnect with friends and life and to see that life goes on, and to have friends at the pub say with annoyance that they have to go get their eff’n boosters, followed by the bizarre commiseration where people sympathise by relating lurid stories of agonising vaccine-deaths and vaccine-zombies, then there will be a push back that will appear on polls.

    Our political leaders worked hard to weaken people psychologically and then take advantage of that to press vaccines upon them.

    When people regain their selves and feel they are part of a broader group they will push back.

  61. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Farmer Gezsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    When Hollywood make believe goes real.

    Is it time for Donald Trump to start taking the piss out of Baldwin?
    “Sure, I said some crazy stuff on Twitter, but I never shot anyone on a film set.”
    The film armorer has some serious questions to answer.

  62. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    “Halyna Hutchins, 42, director of photography, and Joel Souza, 48, director, were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer, and actor.”

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

  63. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Sancho
    The gun’s always loaded
    The dog always bites
    The horse always kicks.
    Old rules apply and the law should apply to Baldwin as with anyone using a firearm. He should have checked.

  64. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    I have a vague memory that this isn’t the first time this has happened.

  65. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Sort of? I fucking nailed it.
    ?

  66. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Sort of? I fucking nailed it.

    Pretty much.
    (Format fail before)

  67. dover0beach Avatar

    As CL has noted previously, if you wander from the reservation the Cathedral will characterize your reasoning as a ‘bizarre rant’. This time it’s Kelly Slater in the crosshairs:
    ‘I know more than 99 percent of doctors’: Kelly Slater causes chaos with bizarre vaccine rant

  68. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    October 22, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    There was also a gun shop near Sol’s shop on George Street.

    Guns and tobacco.

    They used to have a lengthy elephant gun in the shop window which required two men to operate. It was there for years, not much demand for elephant guns in Sydney.

  69. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    I have a vague memory that this isn’t the first time this has happened.

    It was the exit strategy applied to Brandon Lee (son of Bruce Lee)

  70. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Bit of a worthwhile sleeper if your into, slightly implausible plot, private detective shows .. well written and good acting , once you get used to the HALLMARK type innuendo, very enjoyable .. should be on at least one of the streamers ……
    BIG SKY season 1 (s02 has just started) ..
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11794642/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

  71. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    if you wander from the reservation the Cathedral will characterize your reasoning as a ‘bizarre rant’.

    Did any Republicans pounce? They do that apparently.

  72. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    Something that was very clearly explained to us 40 years ago before we were ever allowed to get with touching distance of a military weapon.
    The man is an idiot and should have the book hurled at him with extreme prejudice.

  73. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Farmer Gezsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    Sancho
    The gun’s always loaded
    The dog always bites
    The horse always kicks.
    Old rules apply and the law should apply to Baldwin as with anyone using a firearm. He should have checked.

    Maybe not his fault.
    As rickw says, “blanks” are packed with wadding which is going to discharge. At twenty metres it is probably no big deal. At two metres it might be a different story. The dead woman was the cinematographer. If they were trying a close up of a shot fired directly at the camera for dramatic effect, surely the technology exists to do this remotely without the cameraman sitting in the line of fire.
    And the armorer should have insisted on it. He has the final call on how guns are used on set.

  74. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    Old bloke says:
    October 22, 2021 at 5:32 pm
    They used to have a lengthy elephant gun in the shop window which required two men to operate. It was there for years, not much demand for elephant guns in Sydney.

    Would it have been a punt gun?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/H3VR/comments/h996wf/this_is_a_punt_gun_its_a_massive_shotgun_often/

  75. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Wasn’t there also a “Gangsta Rap” video involving firearms which ended in tears?

  76. areff Avatar
    areff

    Here’s a flying Imp doing Bathurst with other old-timers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjY3VdX5Oc

  77. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    Wasn’t there also a “Gangsta Rap” video involving firearms which ended in tears?

    I think quite a few gangsta rap sessions ended in tears involving firearms.

  78. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Wasn’t there also a “Gangsta Rap” video involving firearms which ended in tears?

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brisbane.
    Well done.

    Why are you always picking on Queensland?

  79. areff Avatar
    areff

    A dopey young actor called Eric (?) Hexum held a blank-loaded gun to his temple and pulled the trigger for a joke. Blew his face off. That was back in the 1990s, I think.

    I remember trying to write a headline about it and sincerely regretting that good taste prevented the use of ‘Dum-dum for a dumb dumb’

  80. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Why are you always picking on Queensland?

    As George Mallory said of Mt Everest …

    “Because it’s there.”

  81. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    I have a vague memory that this isn’t the first time this has happened.

    Wasn’t there also an Aussie actor starring in a US series who blew his brains out playing Russian Roulette with a pistol & blanks ?

  82. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe not his fault.

    He can serve 57 months then, like Noor.

    At the Noor resentencing | Power Line (21 Oct)

    Special people are special. But not-special people aren’t special.

    Gohmert Grills Merrick Garland on Double Standard for Jan. 6 Detainees (21 Oct)

    Grannies with signs are much more deadly than diversity hirings or actors with blanks.

  83. calli Avatar
    calli

    I thought that was Robert Falcon Scott.

  84. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I guess one orange man is now a murderer whereas the other one isn’t?

  85. calli Avatar
    calli

    Grannies with signs are much more deadly

    The corflute mightier than the cordite?

    I doubt it.

  86. dover0beach Avatar

    Our political leaders worked hard to weaken people psychologically and then take advantage of that to press vaccines upon them.

    When people regain their selves and feel they are part of a broader group they will push back.

    This.

  87. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    ““Halyna Hutchins, 42, director of photography, and Joel Souza, 48, director, were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer, and actor.””

    I’m shocked it was loaded.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Xi blinks.

    China’s Evergrande Makes Last Minute Interest Payment On Dollar Bond, Avoiding Default (21 Oct)

    Most international bondholders had expected Evergrande to fail to make its dollar bond payments before the end of the grace period. … It appears that Chinese authorities are “behind all this to make sure that we can avoid a spillover into the broader economy and also outside of China” he said adding that “this sends a signal that China is not interested in making this a bigger issue, especially for foreign holders in this case.

    Maybe this has something to do with it:

    Evergrande Shares Tumble On Sale Failure, 97% Plunge In Sales As Markets Brace For Chinese Default Avalanche (21 Oct)

    So to help investors as they navigate the mine field that is China’s junk bond market, here is a maturity calendar for dollar and yuan notes from developers whose debt offers the weakest year-to-date returns in a Bloomberg index of China high-yield dollar bonds. Excluded are defaulted firms and Evergrande; the information is from data compiled by Bloomberg.

    October
    Yango Group Co. bond with 941 million yuan outstanding, Oct. 22
    Modern Land China Co. note with $250 million outstanding, Oct. 25
    Redsun Properties Group Ltd. bond with $97 million outstanding, Oct. 30

    November
    Central China Real Estate Ltd. $400 million note, Nov. 8
    Zhenro Properties Group Ltd. $200 million bond, Nov. 18
    Agile Group Holdings Ltd. $200 million note, Nov. 18
    Yango Group Co. bond with 603 million yuan outstanding, Nov. 19
    Zhongliang Holdings Group Co. $200 million note, Nov. 22
    Rongxin Fujian Investment Group Co. 2 billion yuan note, Nov. 28

    December
    Ronshine China Holdings Ltd. $150 million bond, Dec. 3
    Kaisa Group Holdings Ltd. $400 million note, Dec. 7
    Guangzhou Hejing Holding Group Co. bond with 2.26 billion yuan outstanding, Dec. 17
    Jinke Properties Group Co. 800 million yuan note, Dec. 25
    Guangxi Construction Engineering Group Co. 800 million yuan bond, Dec. 28

    January
    Xinyuan China Real Estate Ltd. 600 million yuan note, Jan. 4
    KWG Group Holdings Ltd. $250 million bond, Jan. 11
    Yango Justice International Ltd. $200 million note, Jan. 11
    ZhenAn Glory Investment Ltd. $100 million bond, Jan. 13
    Easy Tactic Ltd. $725 million note, Jan. 13
    Fujian Sunshine Group Co. 400 million yuan bond, Jan. 15
    China Aoyuan Group Ltd. $188 million note, Jan. 20
    China Aoyuan Group Ltd. $500 million bond, Jan. 23
    Guangzhou Times Holding Group Co. 1.1 billion yuan note, Jan. 25
    Zhongliang Holdings Group Co. $250 million bond, Jan. 31

    February
    Ronshine China Holdings Ltd. $200 million note, Feb. 1
    Jinke Properties Group Co. bond with 350 million yuan outstanding, Feb. 9
    China South City Holdings Ltd. note with $348 million outstanding, Feb. 12
    Yango Cayman Investment Ltd. $110 million bond, Feb. 20
    Modern Land China Co. $200 million note, Feb. 26

    March
    Ronshine China Holdings Ltd. bond with $488 million outstanding, Mar. 1
    ZhenAn Glory Investment Ltd. $50 million note, Mar. 6
    Agile Group Holdings Ltd. $500 million bond, Mar. 7
    Greenland Global Investment Ltd. $350 million note, Mar. 12
    Yango Justice International Ltd. $300 million bond, Mar. 18
    Yango Group Co. 500 million yuan note, Mar. 22
    Fujian Sunshine Group Co. 500 million yuan bond, Mar. 22
    Yango Group Co. note with 1.47 billion yuan outstanding, Mar. 24
    Guangzhou Tianjian Real Estate Development Co. 600 million yuan bond, Mar. 28
    Fujian Sunshine Group Co. 500 million yuan note, Mar. 29

    Collateral damage is a bitch.

  89. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    areffsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 5:45 pm
    Here’s a flying Imp doing Bathurst with other old-timers:

    Great stuff. Interesting to see how a small engined 4-speeder competes with larger, bigger engined 3-speeder.

  90. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Submission sent and acknowledgement as follows:
    This email confirms we have received your submission on the Digital Identity legislation. We thank you for your feedback.

    Your submission will help guide the development of the Digital Identity legislation.

    You can keep up to date on the development of the Digital Identity legislation on the Digital Identity website.

    Digital Identity team

    But what is the DTA – Digital Transformation Agency? what is this — consulting but they’ve decided already they’ve set up the mechanism already by the looks

  91. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    A spokesperson for Baldwin told the Associated Press there was an accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks.

    ..
    I don’t think a misfire is what you think it is, idiots.

  92. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    I thought that was Robert Falcon Scott.

    Good Lord.
    What reason did he have to rouse on Queensland?

  93. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Bruce of Newcastlesays:

    October 22, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    Maybe not his fault.

    He can serve 57 months then, like Noor.

    Much as I think Baldwin is a dick, it is going to depend on the facts.
    If the armorer signed off on the direction, and Baldwin followed that direction, the armorer is in trouble.
    If Baldwin was warned it was dangerous and was meant to aim well off to the side but decided to fuck around, well he is in strife.

  94. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    A dopey young actor called Eric (?) Hexum held a blank-loaded gun to his temple and pulled the trigger for a joke. Blew his face off. That was back in the 1990s, I think.

    Jon-Erik Hexum — one of the most handsome men I’ve ever seen, the most amazing blue eyes, very sad.

  95. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Misfire is not the same as “I pointed it at someone’s head and accidentally pulled the trigger and put some brass in their neck”.

  96. Eddystone Avatar
    Eddystone

    Fat Tony says:
    October 22, 2021 at 4:47 pm

    Or does vaccination make them more susceptible to infection? How would that work?

    “Vaccines” produce the spike protein.
    COVID produces the spike protein.

    Can we assume the spike proteins are identical?

    My understanding is that the muggle produced spike protein has been engineered to remain in a certain configuration that is more stable than the viral spike protein.

    Something to do with the viral spike protein binding to cells and changing configuration so as to allow entry of the virus into the cell.

    If I am remembering correctly, the vaxxes have been predicted to cause identical symptoms to the viral infection, which can be confused, accidentally or deliberately, with natural infection. I think it was Robert Malone who predicted this.

  97. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    Sancho Panzersays:
    October 22, 2021 at 5:50 pm
    Why are you always picking on Queensland?

    As George Mallory said of Mt Everest …

    “Because it’s there.”

    Something no Queenslander has ever said, “You know, I think I’ll retire in Victoria.”

  98. calli Avatar
    calli

    What reason did he have to rouse on Queensland?

    Because it was there.

    What other reason could there be?

  99. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Sancho – He shot the director, and the director of photography, who died. Directors are gods. At least in Hollywood.

    There is no possible way that it could be a staged arrangement which went wrong. Directors are directors. They aren’t in the film. I can imagine him being stupid (‘hey guys they’re only blanks! *bam* *bam* See? Oops.’) since he’s never been the brightest shearer in the shed, but I can’t imagine how this could occur in a planned but unsafely managed manner.

  100. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    Alec Baldwin was the producer and lead actor. Plus Hollywood/Democratic royalty.

    If anyone goes down it’s the armourer.

  101. Dot Avatar

    ABC NEWS
    NSW government releases COVID recovery package in hopes to boost economy
    Duration: 02:14 10 hrs ago

    For all those parents who’ve been stretched to their limits by home-schooling, there’s a little reward on the way. The government is saying thanks with $250 worth of vouchers for households with school-age children, as part of the COVID recovery package.

    In other words, bribing marginal electorate voters.

  102. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    We desperately need an Uncle Jack.
    And the “naughty books”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEAevDIAwS4

  103. calli Avatar
    calli

    Hope they gave the idiot a drug and alcohol test. London to a brick he was plastered.

  104. Dot Avatar

    This Baldwin thing is literally like the plot of an old Colombo episode.

    Just one more thing, Mr Baldwin…

  105. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Dan saves Victoria, after having bludgeoned her within an inch of her life:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-58998418

  106. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    I think the point is, mole, that the anger should be directed at those writing and enforcing the rules.
    Not at those who have simply chosen to get vaxed, and are generally against vax mandates.

    I reserve the right to be testy to anyone, vaxed or unvaxed coming chirping in with ‘vaxes are grrrreat”… while ignoring the pile of pachyderms in the room of forced consent is not consent.

    If you accept I should be forcibly vaccinated for a disease with a .01% chance of killing me then you are in for a shit of a time when im dictator for life.

    Compulsory mastectomies for the over 40’s.
    If it saves just one life.
    etc, etc…
    https://www.healthline.com/health/breast-cancer/breast-cancer-20s-30s#prevalence-and-incidence
    According to the National Cancer InstituteTrusted Source, if you’re in your 30s, your risk of breast cancer is 1 in 204, or about 0.4 percent.

    By age 40, the risk is roughly 1 in 65, or about 1.5 percent.*

    By age 60, the chance increases to 1 in 28, or 3.5 percent.

    Out of all types of cancer, though, breast cancer is the most common among U.S. women. The average U.S. woman’s risk of developing breast cancer during her lifetime is about 12 percent

    *Higher than the chance of carking it from covid in the same age group…

  107. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    callisays:
    October 22, 2021 at 6:32 pm
    Hope they gave the idiot a drug and alcohol test.

    Don’t be sally, Miss Calli.

  108. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    If anyone goes down it’s the armourer.

    Only if there were live rounds floating around which doesn’t seem to be the case.

  109. areff Avatar
    areff

    I’ll leave the ardent appreciation of man flesh to you, Tinta.

  110. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    Fat Tony says:
    October 22, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    Would it have been a punt gun?

    Yes, it was just like that. It was in their shop window in the 50’s, I remember asking my Dad it he had one like that during the war.
    “No son, we had better guns”
    “What were they Dad?”
    “Beaufighters and Kittyhawks son”

  111. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    It’s a dreary statistical population and sampling thing. Baba @ 4:02 sort of describes it.

    Re: jab statistics. If the jab worked as advertised the number of people (not proportion) getting ill and being jabbed would be miniscule. Just like the Ivermectin protocol actually delivers. There would be no need to quote jabbed ill people, they should only be in single digits.

  112. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Jon-Erik Hexum — one of the most handsome men I’ve ever seen, the most amazing blue eyes, very sad.

    Yes, was a handsome chap; reminds me of me when I was younger.

  113. calli Avatar
    calli

    Oooooh, yes. Nice.

    Shame he was stupid.

  114. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    areffsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 5:45 pm
    Here’s a flying Imp doing Bathurst with other old-timers

    Thanks, areff. I should have learned to drive it like that. Although the 200 metres without brakes felt a bit that way. Wheeee!

  115. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    I’ll leave the ardent appreciation of man flesh to you, Tinta.

    Thanks areff — I rarely am ardent on man flesh but Jon-Erik Hexum warrants the ardour.

  116. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Arky says:
    October 22, 2021 at 6:11 pm
    A spokesperson for Baldwin told the Associated Press there was an accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks.
    ..
    I don’t think a misfire is what you think it is, idiots.

    Yep, total bullshit.
    Misfires don’t fire at all or are delayed but that’s called a hang fire.

  117. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Plus no one likes to look at over 40 boozzies.

    Into the incinerator they go!

  118. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Yes, was a handsome chap; reminds me of me when I was younger.

    oh cohenite, what an opportunity missed, sadly tempus fugit and all that.

  119. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Woof!

    I have been commenting on Gerard’s word count. He has tightened up since I started- from 7700 words of sludge a few weeks ago, down to a tight and well written 4800 last week.
    Hard to get it through Paywallian moderators though.

  120. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Oooooh, yes. Nice.

    Shame he was stupid.

    A great shame indeed calli, sometimes a dream-boat becomes a ship-wreck when you engage in conversation.

  121. srr Avatar
    srr

    miltonf says:
    October 22, 2021 at 10:37 am

    Yes the telescreen in 1984 is very reminiscent of smart phones.

    And don’t forget ‘Smart’ TV’s that are like Alexa but ‘see’ you to.
    They’re already quite old technology.

  122. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    A spokesperson for Baldwin told the Associated Press there was an accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks.

    Sounds like this firearm will soon be checking in for voluntary psychiatric treatment.

  123. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    There is no possible way that it could be a staged arrangement which went wrong.

    Black powder is used because it looks better effect-wise.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if someone* said ‘I need more, I want more.’
    *Obviously not someone like a Co-Prod/Lead Actor/Once Was A Big Swinging Dick
    trying to get back into serious fillums after years playing second fiddle on the teev.

  124. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Sounds like this firearm will soon be checking in for voluntary psychiatric treatment.

    Word is the gun has failed its drug test.

    I wonder if Arek Baldrin will be shameless enough to try and go the full retard and come out swinging against the NRA like fatty Weinstein did?

  125. It’s Remarkable Avatar
    It’s Remarkable

    @ Digger:
    I see you and raise you…..
    Here in central NSW, they are telling us MAP/DAP (mono ammonium /Di ammonium phosphate will be well in excess of $1000/tonne, perhaps $12-$1400, and urea even higher. Couple of years ago both were around $500/tonne.
    Blame = China, not making it and holding back on supply, limited production capacity in Aus (Phosphate Hill in Qld can only supply so much, etc), limited alternative sources (Middle East is far away and of limited capacity etc.
    Could be a fun time in 2022 for the croppers.

  126. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    It’s Remarkablesays:
    October 22, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    Any chance potash could come to the rescue?

  127. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Hello

  128. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    “No son, we had better guns”
    “What were they Dad?”
    “Beaufighters and Kittyhawks son”

    Was reading official history last night, the lead up to Japanese assault on Malaya and to Singapore. I’ll quote this bit* because it’s fun. From April 1941:

    The [Allied] Chiefs of Staff also said that the Brewster Buffalo appeared to be eminently satisfactory and would probably prove “more than a match for any Japanese aircraft”.

    I actually laughed out loud at that. Sorry Chiefs of Staff people. Zeroes were a match for just about anything until the Mustang. Buffaloes um, weren’t. But there you go, armies and air forces do have an inflated view of their own stuff. Maybe the Biden US military will overcome that though (hoho).

    * The Japanese Thrust, Wigmore, AWM WW2 war history V 4, p83.

  129. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Woof!

    Gerard, I get 6200 words in this. Your writing is definitely tighter!
    While it’s true that Hewson ‘could bore for Australia’, Nancy’s efforts in the near past would have stood head and shoulders above, in the selectors’ estimation. Your adoption of Strunk and White’s famous dictum – ‘Omit needless words’ gives Australia a ‘net zero 2050’ target to be proud of!

  130. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    For some reason I can’t put up a link. The title is:

    8 prominent doctors & scientists engage in a remarkable exchange

    Dated 3/10/31 and on YouTube- 45 minutes – where we are with the virus.

  131. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Bar Beach Swimmersays:
    October 22, 2021 at 7:14 pm
    Hello

    Hello

  132. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Bruce of Newcastlesays:

    October 22, 2021 at 6:25 pm

    Sancho – He shot the director, and the director of photography, who died. Directors are gods. At least in Hollywood.

    Yes, Bruce, I got that.
    Were the actually filming at the time?
    Were they looking for a dramatic shot towards the camera?
    Was Baldwin fucking around between takes?
    One possibility is a power imbalance problem. That is, Baldwin either takes no notice of the armorer or the armorer is too timid to tell the Big Star to pull his head in.
    Who knows?

  133. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    It is of course possible that the blank was an overload, or the barrel obstructed, to cause the barrel to shatter or otherwise disrupt. I read somewhere some mention of “shrapnel”. And if two people were shot with one discharge, it would seem unlikely that the round was live.

  134. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    BoN, the Finns thought highly of their Brewster Buffalos.

  135. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Anyone wondering where Jamie lee Curtis fell on the hot/crazy matrix wonder no more.

    Jamie Lee Curtis: ‘I’m a Grateful Student’ of My Trans Child

    “I’m a grateful student. It’s learning new terminology and words,” the Halloween Kills star said in a recent interview with People.
    Curtis revealed this past July that her biological son, with whom she shares with husband Christopher Guest, now identifies as a woman named Ruby, saying she watched “in wonder and pride” as the transition unfolded.

    “I have watched in wonder and pride as our son became our daughter Ruby. And she and her fiancé will get married next year at a wedding that I will officiate,” Curtis said at the time.


    Curtis asserted that she always had a suspicion that Ruby would be transgender.

  136. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Any chance potash could come to the rescue?

    No. It’s a pretty closed industry. Even BHP couldn’t break into it, although they’re still trying* about 15 years after I looked at it.

    The fertilizer hyperinsanity lately is because ammonia. Ammonia is because gas. Gas is because electricity. Electricity is because dumb-as-rocks renewable bird munchers and solar cells which don’t make electricity when needed. So gas price has quadrupled lately and all ammonia plants can’t make a profit any more. So they’ve shut down. Putin is crying into his vodka.

    * BHP approves investment in Jansen Stage 1 potash project (17 Aug)

  137. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Have you got the direct link to the source data?

    The link was within the original post.
    COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 42

  138. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Bruce of Newcastle

    I was thinking of the couple of smaller (100,000t or so) Australian startups.
    But yes, as you point out, electricity and gas going up makes a lot of fertilizer products significantly more expensive.

  139. dover0beach Avatar

    Kyle’s vaccine experience. Interesting that the doctor, without any investigation, discounted the vaxx when Kyle presented to emergency with heart problems.

  140. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Curtis should be given one of those compulsory mastectomies.

    See how that goes.

  141. P Avatar
    P

    Sources told Deadline, which initially reported that the incident occurred when Baldwin reportedly “cocked a gun during a rehearsal, unaware that there were live rounds in it, hitting two people, a man and a woman.” Representatives for Baldwin, a rabid anti-gun demagogue, did not immediately respond to media requests for comment.
    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/10/21/alec-baldwin-accidentally-shot-and-killed-female-cinematographer-injured-director-on-movie-set/

  142. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    BoN, the Finns thought highly of their Brewster Buffalos.

    I would too if I was fighting I-15s and I-16s.
    Which weren’t quite as good as a Zero or a Ki-43.

  143. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Bruce of N

    I actually laughed out loud at that. Sorry Chiefs of Staff people. Zeroes were a match for just about anything until the Mustang. Buffaloes um, weren’t. But there you go, armies and air forces do have an inflated view of their own stuff.

    IIRC, an Australian pilot in a Wirraway shot a Zero down over Buna, late 1942/early 1943. IIRn name was archer. Appropriate if so.

  144. JC Avatar
    JC

    Turtle head says

    Not looking good for you JC.
    And don’t bother claiming I’ve altered the scenario – if necessary, I’ll repost the original and let people know what a lying piece of shit you are.

    I tried to take the bet, which you subsequently turned into a bet for dollar. What exactly am I lying about, you venom filled imbecile? I took a bet you ostentatiously posted a few days ago.

    I’m okay with including Sourh Korea and India as long as they’re included in proportional economic terms. Now fuck and stop wasting people’s, you colossal clown

  145. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    I got told by a heady overly excited couple of melbournians today that Victoria is now the most free state in Australia.

    Weird place right?

  146. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Indolentsays:

    October 22, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    Have you got the direct link to the source data?

    The link was within the original post.

    For some reason Gab posts are truncated when I look at them.
    Comments and links sometimes blocked.

  147. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Psays:

    October 22, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    Sources told Deadline, which initially reported that the incident occurred when Baldwin reportedly “cocked a gun during a rehearsal, unaware that there were live rounds in it

    What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?

  148. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Twostix.
    On Nein Regional News tonight.
    A representative of tourism operators in FNQ bleating that they desparately need international tourists back.
    She’s bullshitting, right?

  149. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I have a vague memory that this isn’t the first time this has happened.

    Daily Mail

    Bruce Lee’s son Brandon died in similar accident on The Crow set in 1993

    Halyna Hutchins’ death is not the first time that a prop gun has killed someone during the filming of a movie.

    In 1993, Brandon Lee, 28, son of the late martial-arts star Bruce Lee, died after being hit by a .44-caliber slug while filming a death scene for the movie The Crow.

    The gun was supposed to have fired a blank, but an autopsy turned up a bullet lodged near his spine.
    Actor Brandon Lee (above) was killed on the set of The Crow in 1993 when a blank round fired a squib load from the prop gun
    +21

    Actor Brandon Lee (above) was killed on the set of The Crow in 1993 when a blank round fired a squib load from the prop gun

    In that case, an investigation determined that a bullet became lodged in the barrel of the gun, a dangerous condition known as a squib load.

    The crew had made dummy cartridges, which are supposed to look like a real bullet but be inert, by removing the gunpowder from real bullets, but they failed to remove the primer charge.

    At some point, one of the dummy rounds was fired, and the primer pushed the bulletin into the barrel, where it remained stuck unnoticed.

    Later, the gunpower in a blank cartridge, which creates the sound and muzzle flash of gunfire for film but has no bullet, propelled the squib load out of the gun’s barrel, striking Lee.

    And in 1984, actor Jon-Erik Hexum died after shooting himself in the head with a prop gun blank while pretending to play Russian roulette with a .44 Magnum on the set of the television series Cover Up.

    In that case, the paper wadding used to secure the gunpowder in the blank cartridge was expelled with enough force to shatter his skull near the temple, sending fragments into Hexum’s brain and causing massive hemorrhaging.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    To be fair…I didn’t either.

    Protobirdguy was on annual camp. Zulu’s regiment were the enemy. So here’s Bruce coming off piquet at 3am. Dark as the inside of a giraffe. Reaches hoochie whereupon gets into a conversation with an unseen gentleman. As you do at 3am on a dark night in Newnes State Forest. Conversation continues for a short while then wet-behind-ears protobirdguy decides to let off a blank from his SLR…

    Laconic comment from about 3m away “please point your rifle down when you do that”…

    Worked but, naughty slinky Air Defense guys went away!

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I actually laughed out loud at that. Sorry Chiefs of Staff people. Zeroes were a match for just about anything until the Mustang. Buffaloes um, weren’t.

    I’ve read one account of the first few days of World War Two of a Buffalo pilot straining to gain height, while a Zero – literally – flew rings around him…

  152. Rafe Champion Avatar
    Rafe Champion

    My father used to say “Remarkable how many people get killed by unloaded weapons.”

    Alternatively: Don’t worry, its empty.

  153. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke
    Ms Clarke.

    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    7 minutes ago October 22, 2021

    The constable who fatally shot a Yamatji woman as she stood with a bread knife and a pair of scissors in a residential street has been found not guilty by a jury of her murder.

    The West Australian Supreme Court jury in Perth also found the police officer not guilty of the manslaughter of the 29-year-old mother of one.

    There was crying in the courtroom as the jury foreperson told Supreme Court Justice Robert Mitchell they found the officer not guilty on both counts.

    The woman has been referred to in court only as Ms Clarke at the request of her family.

    The officer, whose identity is suppressed by the court, killed Ms Clarke on September 17, 2019, in as she stood holding a bread knife with a 30cm blade in Petchell Street, Geraldton, about 420km north of Perth.

    During the 13-day trial, the officer gave evidence in his own defence, saying he thought Ms Clarke was going to stab him as he stood facing her and pointing his firearm at her.

    He said she adopted a fighting stance and raised her right hand with the knife in it. The jury heard he was standing three to four metres from Ms Clarke and had ordered her to “drop the f..king knife”.

    She had already failed to comply with several other orders to drop the knife from other officers at the scene, including a police officer who was standing close to the accused officer pointing an unactivated taser at Ms Clarke.

    The prosecution described the accused’s decision to draw his gun and shoot Ms Clarke as “reckless and thoughtless” and told the jury that he acted so far that he “completely deprived himself and his colleagues of every single strategic and tactical advantage that they had”.

    But the officer’s defence lawyer Linda Black told the jury Ms Clarke was angry and fiery that day and displaying a level of defiance that put officers in danger.

  154. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    I linked this presentation by David Cullen earlier but I think it bears repeating in case someone missed it.

    IRELAND CONTINUES TO SLOUCH TOWARDS TOTALITARIANISM

    He’s talking about Ireland but it’s almost exactly our experience. In fact, he ends with a grab from Dictator Dan which tempted me to smash my television.

  155. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    When we were teenagers I had a borrowed .22 with a decent magazine (10-15 shots).
    Had a shooting comp with my brother from only about 25 yards at a cardboard target up against a hay bale.
    I hit it every time and he couldn’t make an impression.
    What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).

  156. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Clearly someone doesn’t understand that blanks are deadly at close range.

    I have heard this before, it may not fire a projectile but it still fires a charge which can be fatal at close range. You certainly don’t want to be on the receiving end of 10s of thousands of psi of compressed air.

  157. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    IIRC, an Australian pilot in a Wirraway shot a Zero down over Buna, late 1942/early 1943.

    Wow, BJ, that guy was a hero indeed. They were trainers, but when there’s nothing else that’s what you fly.

    I had a look at the Brewster Buffalo wiki just now. Apart from the Fins, who Eyrie mentioned, there are one RNZAF, one Pom and two Australian Buffalo aces. Bloody heroes each of them, they are, too.

  158. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).

    That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres

  159. P Avatar
    P

    Rafe Championsays:
    October 22, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    My father used to say “Remarkable how many people get killed by unloaded weapons.”

    Alternatively: Don’t worry, its empty.

    I know because my uncle died in such circumstances.
    I was at high school and went to school the next day when I was asked in the playground by two teachers ‘were you related to XX on the front page of the SMH today’.

  160. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke
    Ms Clarke.

    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    7 minutes ago October 22, 2021

    The constable who fatally shot a Yamatji woman as she stood with a bread knife and a pair of scissors in a residential street has been found not guilty by a jury of her murder.

    Sad but fair. Mad people with knives are dangerous.

  161. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke

    Take note, NT top-rung jacks.

  162. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    BJ – Your memory is excellent. Wirraway wiki:

    On 12 December 1942, the Wirraway achieved its only shoot-down of an enemy aircraft—thought to be a Mitsubishi A6M Zero at the time, but later determined to be a Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa[2]—while flown by Pilot Officer John S. “Jack” Archer.

    Ki-43s look a lot like Zeros.

  163. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres

    Can’t remember what they were, but they made no impression on a target 25 yards away.
    The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.
    Also, a 410 was harmless over 40 yards.
    Never tempted to test any of those theories.

  164. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?

    I would class a blank as a live round.

    As a young Private on his IET, young Diogenes remembers his Section Commander setting up a watermelon on a stump, loading a single blank in the SLR and shooting the melon.

    Lesson learned !

  165. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.

    .32’s, yes. .38s, no.

    There’s a pile of dead shitbags that can vouch for that.

  166. Davey Boy Avatar
    Davey Boy

    here’s another, in Brisbane this time, a stuntman taking part in the making of a rap video in 2017 was shot “with a blank round” – a double barrel shotgun loaded with two “blank cartridges unlawfully assembled”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/inquest-into-death-of-stuntman-on-bliss-n-esso-set-20210823-p58l9w.html

  167. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Knuckle Draggersays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:12 pm

    WA police officer ‘not guilty’ of killing Aboriginal woman Ms Clarke

    Take note, NT top-rung jacks.

    I didn’t follow this closely, but the bits I read smelt of rampant jealousies within the force.
    Wasn’t there another SJW copper (probably ‘digenous liaison) saying that Ms Clarke was basically harmless and he had talked her out of a similar situation weeks beforehand?
    Sounded a little like disgruntled diggers in Afghanistan putting a whole jar of mayo on their war crime stories.

  168. Bear Necessities Avatar
    Bear Necessities

    I must say before another Fred is put up, that Venus’s ars in that picture is gorgeous.

  169. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Knuckle Draggersays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    The old story used to be that the old VicPol issue .38s wouldn’t penetrate a woollen blanket soaked in water.

    .32’s, yes. .38s, no.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a case in point as to why you don’t try gun stunts you heard about from a bloke in a pub.

  170. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    https://www.historynet.com/brewster-buffalo-finland.htm

    Transitioned to Brewsters, Juutilainen called the 239s “fat hustlers, just like bees. They had speed, agility and good weaponry, too.…We were happy to take them anywhere to take on any opponent.”

    From 1941 to ’44 LeLv 24 Brewsters claimed 477 victories for the loss of 19 in combat and six more in accidents or destroyed on the ground. Many have claimed that at 25-to-1 Finnish Brewsters recorded the highest victory-loss ratio of the war, but in fact that title belonged to the Grumman/Eastern FM-2 version of the F4F. Flying from escort carriers in 1944–45, the “Wilder Wildcat” scored a 32-to-1 record, undoubtedly the highest ratio of the piston era.

    Between early 1943 and early ’44 the Finnish air force converted four of its six fighter units to Messerschmitt Me 109Gs, though the surviving Brewsters remained operational through war’s end.

    RTWT. They weren’t just up against early war Soviet fighters. Good training and good tactics count.

  171. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    I got told by a heady overly excited couple of melbournians today that Victoria is now the most free state in Australia.

    The Bat Eared Mong is a symptom.

  172. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    On 12 December 1942, the Wirraway achieved its only shoot-down of an enemy aircraft—thought to be a Mitsubishi A6M Zero at the time, but later determined to be a Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa[2]—while flown by Pilot Officer John S. “Jack” Archer.

    Used to have a next door neighbour once who was a fighter pilot by the name of John Archer (“Starch”).

  173. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Diogenessays:

    October 22, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    What logical reason would there be to have “live rounds” on a fillem set?

    I would class a blank as a live round.

    Yes.
    I don’t think Entertainment reporters would know much about the subject.
    Nor do I really, except that the armorer should have absolute control over any arms used on set.
    I’ll bet the insurance policy covering production mishaps will have lots of very explicit exclusions for improper and uncontrolled use of firearms.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I didn’t follow this closely, but the bits I read smelt of rampant jealousies within the force.
    Wasn’t there another SJW copper (probably ‘digenous liaison) saying that Ms Clarke was basically harmless and he had talked her out of a similar situation weeks beforehand?

    He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.” W.T.F. was he doing, carrying a weapon?

  175. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    My younger brother joined the AAR. That may be true, younger brothers tend to want to do what older brothers did, it being a testosterone thing. RAR not SUR though (which is regiment I was in, he attended the same uni). RAR got better stuff.

    One of the stories he tells is when he got to fire a Charlie Gutsache blank. Great fun, although knowing my brother I’m not entirely sure such things actually exist. I had to carry the tube around on exercises, and shout “bang” at appropriate times. I never got to fire it.

    Then he told me the fun thing was to put a full Coke can in the tube in front of the blank, and fire it at an APC…

    Brothers, of course, are well known to be good BSAs. He’s now an internet CEO and quite well off, although he works like a Trojan.

  176. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.”

    Obviously Alec Baldwin will be cast in that role when the fillem is made.

  177. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Sources told Deadline, which initially reported that the incident occurred when Baldwin reportedly “cocked a gun during a rehearsal, unaware that there were live rounds in it, hitting two people, a man and a woman.”

    To the best of my knowledge, mere possession of operational (as against blank) rounds anywhere on a film set is cause for instant dismissal, a total ban on ever working in the industry again and, where appropriate, law enforcement intervention.

  178. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Idiot child! I just accidentally clicked on “Report comment” … on my own post!! Neck oil needed.

  179. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    What he didn’t know is that I had loaded the mag with alternate live rounds and every other round was one of those crimped-over blanks (I think the ones they used in the bolt guns in the abbatoirs).

    That’d be ratshot – very small lead pellets with an effective range of only a few metres

    Both exist – and he was there so I will allow they might be what he said.
    The crimped blanks for .22 you might find include captive bolt guns for slaughtering, and Ramset nail gun cartridges for fixing nails into hard stuff. The little RWS acorn headstamp ones for starting guns are not likely to feed so would spoil the story.

  180. JC Avatar
    JC

    There is no possible way that it could be a staged arrangement which went wrong. Directors are directors. They aren’t in the film. I can imagine him being stupid (‘hey guys they’re only blanks! *bam* *bam* See? Oops.’) since he’s never been the brightest shearer in the shed, but I can’t imagine how this could occur in a planned but unsafely managed manner.

    Brucie, directors aren’t in movies, but they do ummm direct. Perhaps he was showing the actors how he wanted the scene played out .

  181. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Up yours JC.
    Time to read book.

  182. Dot Avatar

    Thought provoking.

    Will Constructor Theory REWRITE Physics?

    (PBS Space Time)

    It would be great to apply to economics, but normies think growth is BS, lefties think it is BS unless it is from Keynesian spending. Yep, only the public sector can change the possible set of outcomes, not private investment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo

  183. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Chris, I have a vague memory that there was a dob of purple or blue paint on the crimped end.
    By crimped, I don’t mean flattened, I mean a ten or twelve sided puckered in star shaped crimp.

  184. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    He was the bloke that testified to the Court that he was “an appalling shot.” W.T.F. was he doing, carrying a weapon?

    When I got raided by the cops I had to show the glock carrying muppets how to check for clear on every single firearm. 1% of them are competent to use a BB gun safely.

  185. Thefrollickingmole Avatar
    Thefrollickingmole

    Sanford and Zulu.

    The appalling shot chap is pretty well my best mate of over 35 years.

    He didn’t think she was harmless, just he had encountered and arrested her in similar circumstances weeks before.
    Also worth remembering of the 8 cops on the scene only 3 of the 8 left their vehicles.
    5 of them preferred to air in the cars as “ backup”.

    As I explained to him, the prosecution had to paint him as doing a good job. The defence had to paint him as reckless or not acting right or their gambit was rooted.

    It is, based on past performance he may have talked her down or disarmed her.

    He’s pissed off that the defence lawyer labeled him and it’s stuck.
    But at the same time reliever the cop was found not guilty.
    It was a shit charge.

    Now for the Feraldton riots to start.

  186. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Also, the guy I borrowed the rifle off was mates with a bloke who worked at the abs, and I kind of recall that is where they came from.
    Think about that.
    A teenager borrowing a rifle from another teenager, whose mate can just pick up a handful of charge rounds used in the bolt gun used at work.
    Different times.

  187. JC Avatar
    JC

    Lol , okay Brucie, have it your way. Brucie, let’s be brutally honest. Your explanation about mask wearing was absolutely deplorable and nothing will change change that. Not even those sad attempts at appealing to authority.

  188. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Yes mole.
    Three degrees separation.
    What really happened.
    What evidence was advanced in court about that.
    How that evidence was reported (or what was not reported).
    And finally, how I skim-read bits of that report.

  189. Thefrollickingmole Avatar
    Thefrollickingmole

    That should be Sanchez
    Bloody spellwrecker

    He’s a appalling shot but an extremely competent martial artist.
    Far prefers the biffo if it comes to that.
    His bucks night saw him dispatch 7 of the 12 chaps ( + 2 wailing woggettes egging them on) who wanted to find some skips to beat up.
    I got to bust one sods nose before being sucker punched and the 3 rd member of our party didn’t even take a swing.

  190. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    One of the stories he tells is when he got to fire a Charlie Gutsache blank. Great fun, although knowing my brother I’m not entirely sure such things actually exist. I had to carry the tube around on exercises, and shout “bang” at appropriate times. I never got to fire it.

    On my ROBC got to fire a real one, as well as run that range. mmmmmmmmm almost as good as firing a bank of claymores.

    When I commanded the “enemy” (a dozen or so diggers pretending to be a platoon, 3 M60s, 3 gutsaches etc) for an exercise with 5/7RAR (when they still had the M113), we used to take the BFA off one SLR, stick in the back of Gutsache & pull the trigger to simulate firing of the real one. It certainly got the attention of the crew more than a simple “bang”.

  191. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Not a bad send up of psychopath Dan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4UZSUKNWjw

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now for the Feraldton riots to start.

    Interesting post, tfm. Yes. I’ll bet good money on a protest.

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