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Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Given that China is run by a bunch of commie assholes and the collapse of the supply chains build around China as the world’s manufacturer, I’m investing in India.

Good luck!

JMH
JMH
October 19, 2021 2:25 pm

This is from Malcolm Roberts’ FB page.

WHY IS DATA ABOUT DEATHS BEING HELD BACK?
Mortality data tells us information about deaths in Australia and is usually released every 6 weeks. For an unexplained reason, the latest data is over 15 weeks overdue.
There’s no good reason for this, the government needs to be transparent and release the data now.
Transcript: https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/why-is-data-about…/

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 2:29 pm

Good luck!

That’s what the Indian lady at work said when I told her I was trying to do a deal in Rajkot.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 19, 2021 2:29 pm

rickw,
Yeah, I’d buy one if you made a batch. The Foundry in Toowoomba shut down a couple of decades ago also. They used to do good stuff.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 2:34 pm

New numberplate for Sicktoria.

“Sicktoria, the example state”

From the lesser Hitchens.
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2021/10/peter-hitchens-were-in-the-age-of-the-curfew-and-theres-no-escape.html
If you want to know how bad this can get in a supposedly free country, look at what has being going on, over and over again, in the Australian state of Victoria and especially the once-delightful city of Melbourne.

A bullying and overbearing police force has allowed itself to be used to enforce the orders of a not very intelligent head of government. Life has been miserable, confined and under surveillance.

And nobody knows when this will stop or whether it will start again.

I mention this because I am pretty sure that the next time our country goes for a national shutdown, it will be much better prepared and have many fewer loopholes than it had last time.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2021 2:35 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 19, 2021 at 11:22 am
[…]

And as I said the signs in Sundance’s report, and also the American Thinker article mentioned here yesterday the adverse events are being very much underreported.

What the American Thinker mentioned:

VAERS, our vaccine adverse effect reporting system, showed at the beginning of this week 16,000 deaths, 23,000 disabilities, 10,000 MI/myocarditis, 87,000 urgent care visits, 75,000 hospital stays, and 775,000 total adverse events. The VAERS system is widely known to under-report events, with an estimated 90 to 99% of events going unreported there.

The 90-99% estimate appears to be based on early studies of VAERS reporting done well before the current panic, but let’s believe what’s left hanging there.

The implied message is, far from a pissy 16,000 deaths due to Covid vaccine injuries, somewhere between 160,000 and 1.6 million Americans have actually been killed by the Jab.

If that were true, given 218 million Americans have been jabbed (as of 17/10), the upper end of the vaccination injury death rate (in 10 months) is 0.7% of the jabbed population – ie slightly more than the US annual all-causes death rate.

Even at the low end of the scary estimate, the implied 160,000 vax deaths would be heading towards #3 on the US Causes of Deaths list. Tucked in behind cancer, but well ahead of ‘accidents’.

All unnoticed and unremarked.
Apparently.

As Arky correctly observes: “just make up any shit you want to scare the old ladies, but don’t pretend it has anything to do with science or data.

Baba
Baba
October 19, 2021 2:35 pm

JMHsays:
October 19, 2021 at 2:25 pm
This is from Malcolm Roberts’ FB page.

WHY IS DATA ABOUT DEATHS BEING HELD BACK?

Why is Malcolm Roberts pursuing this kindergarten finger-painting level “analysis”?
Can’t he understand that when debate falls at the first hurdle, any focus on legitimate study is lost?

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 2:44 pm

That’s what the Indian lady at work said when I told her I was trying to do a deal in Rajkot.

?

There’s a reason why Indians in Oz are so happy.

They’re not in India anymore.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2021 2:45 pm

In Trolling news:

China denies media reports it tested nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, claims it was a space bot

“It was not a missile, it was a space vehicle,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular press briefing in Beijing when asked about the report.

It had been a “routine test” for the purpose of testing technology to reuse the vehicle, he added.

The significance of a reusability test is that it can “provide a cheap and convenient method for humans to peacefully travel to and from space”, Mr Zhao said.

Yup.
For sure.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 2:45 pm

That ? was supposed to be a laughing face.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2021 2:49 pm

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

Which, again, begs the question, what are these vaccines for and why are they pushing them so relentlessly?

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 19, 2021 2:49 pm

Shipping costs were low. Steel prices high and older ships are sold for scrap. ?

Half of the world’s shipping fleet is anchored off the coast in California waiting for Mayor Pete to come back from maternity leave.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2021 2:54 pm

TaliDan gonna keep those Cheka passes long into 2022.

He’s once
Twice
Three times an arsehole

min
min
October 19, 2021 2:54 pm

Dot men under 50 according research will suffer ED at times . Gotta say it was PE the major problem in the days I practised . However thinking about it probably men not game enough to talk about it . What a blow to ones manhood If you couldn’t get it up .

Gilas
Gilas
October 19, 2021 3:10 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
October 19, 2021 at 1:10 pm

Thanks for that mole, best laugh I’ve had in ages.

Why aren’t men attracted to old, oblivious, suffering, whining, wizened feminist gargoyles?

It’s a mystery!

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 19, 2021 3:12 pm

This is from Malcolm Roberts’ FB page.

WHY IS DATA ABOUT DEATHS BEING HELD BACK?

May be driven by the fact that Joe Rogan just went out saying that Google is hiding adverse effects and deaths:

Joe Rogan says Google is ‘hiding information’ about vaccine-related deaths — and he stopped using Google as a search engine

>It’s one of the reasons I stopped using Google to search things, too. They’re doing something to curate information. Where, like, if I wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine-related injuries, I had to go to DuckDuckGo. I wasn’t finding them on Google. And I’m like, “OK, well this is crazy.” Like, “you guys are hiding information.” I’m looking for very specific people and very specific cases, and I’m getting CDC websites, and I’m getting articles on the disinformation attached to vaccines, and vaccines being safe and effective… which for the most part they are — just like peanuts are safe and effective for the most part, you know?

https://thecovidworld.com/why-thecovidworld-com-is-so-important-joe-rogan-says-google-is-hiding-information-about-vaccine-related-deaths/

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 3:23 pm

Yet the VAERS reports from this year, only to October, are more than the entire number from all previous years combined.

FMD

Brucie, VAERS is not, let me repeat, is not and was never intended to be a prime source for data examination. It’s a “place” one goes to record an issue and if enough people report or even in one report is suspected to carry substance data collection and investigation begins. For a virologist, you don’t know much, do you.

No kidding Brucie, you’re so fucking bought into this shit that it fucking owns your noggin. Take a rest and go to bed no later than your assigned time.. 3 pm! I want to see you in bed right now as it’s 23 minutes past. Go! Now!

Bruce in WA
October 19, 2021 3:24 pm

No freedoms for the unvaccinated well into 2022 in Victoria

And here in Sandgroperstan, Beloved Leader just informed us all that even with full vax, we won’t be “set free” until well into 2022 also.

Mater
October 19, 2021 3:26 pm

Andrews: Unvaccinated to not participate in ‘vaccinated economy’ until ‘well into 2022’

We’ll see how Dan’s plan works out when most of the community realise that they’ll need to segregate friends and members of their own families.

It sounds like a good idea whilst we are still largely locked up. Let’s see how long the novelty lasts when it’s actually in play.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2021 3:27 pm

And another one.

29-year-old cricketer, Avi Barot, has passed away unexpectedly from cardiac arrest.

He had Covid last year and then got vaccinated. In other words, he gave us natural immunity for what is fairly safe to assume was the jab of death. Young men seem to be the most at risk for subsequent heart problems.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 3:28 pm

12min DW doc.
Afghani chap flees the country because he says he used to work for the Americans.
Now sunning himself in California.
Leaves wife & child (children) behind who are in hiding (also so he says).
You’d think the chap would be ashamed to show his face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEboNpsFy8

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Half of the world’s shipping fleet is anchored off the coast in California waiting for Mayor Pete to come back from maternity leave.</blockquote

Old bloke, have a look at the pic I put up last evening. Mayor Pete needs to be sent to ISIS.

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It’s unspeakable.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 3:37 pm

Catholic — News Report — Churches Under Siege

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23WezaAF5Vw

Oct 19, 2021
Church Militant

Arky
October 19, 2021 3:41 pm

The USA needs to do what companies do when they spin off a company full of all the shit they don’t want.
Saw off a few states and leave all the crap behind there: EPA, FBI, CIA, all the public servants, all the lobbyists, all the scum careerist generals .

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 3:41 pm

Viganò: New World Order Religion Threatens Society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKv4m0j-AY

Streamed live 9 hours ago
Dr Taylor Marshall
Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s released a special video message for the October 15, 2021 “No Fear Day” in Turin, Italy. Dr. Taylor Marshall reads and comments are Archbishop Vigano’s statement on the New World Order regarding globalized religion contrary to Christianity.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2021 3:42 pm

Billions of jabs would have been given due to successive generations coming through that time frame.
Hardly any deaths until last year.

Which might be explained by the withdrawal of vaccines if death reached or exceeded around 20. Isn’t that what happened with the swine flu vax?

Bushkid
Bushkid
October 19, 2021 3:43 pm

Mater says:
October 19, 2021 at 3:26 pm
Andrews: Unvaccinated to not participate in ‘vaccinated economy’ until ‘well into 2022’
We’ll see how Dan’s plan works out when most of the community realise that they’ll need to segregate friends and members of their own families.

It sounds like a good idea whilst we are still largely locked up. Let’s see how long the novelty lasts when it’s actually in play.

Or when the fully-jabbed find their magic green tick turns to a big red cross if they don’t get their booster/s on time.

Arky
October 19, 2021 3:44 pm

Let Washington state and California call themselves The United States of America and hand over all the old apparatus to them. Then invent a new country, call it “America 2, Fuck Yeah” and redo the constitution to ensure what happened to the first version can’t happen again.

Mater
October 19, 2021 3:45 pm

I also think Dan’s making an assumption that the 90% vaccinated will support his brain fart.

Speaking to a lot of people (and seeing the odd poll), I think he’s completely wrong. There a lot of very angry vaccinated people out there, along with many who simply don’t believe in mandating medical procedures.

From personal experience, compliance in this State is at an all time low. The 2000 odd cases a day pay testament to this fact. What on earth makes him think that people are suddenly going to snap to attention again, and start pretending Victoria is the modern day Deep South?

People might be paying lip service to Dan and his directives at the moment, but it doesn’t mean they want to destroy their traditional social and family bonds forever.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 3:49 pm

and redo the constitution to ensure what happened to the first version can’t happen again.

You can’t. It always goes to shit not matter how much you try. It’s what humans do.

Pre WW1 the US was pretty much a libertarian state…. More likely it was libertarian up to the civil war and after WW1 it went off the reservation.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2021 3:51 pm

LOL. I wonder what happened between last year and this year that VAERS reports might increase 1300%?

Well one possibility is that there might have been a 1300% increase in the number of vaccinations. Or more. Arky is right, we need the number of adverse reports per vaccination. The number of reports is relatively uninformative.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 3:53 pm

I suspect it’s the legal system, or rather an overzealous legal system, that sends a place to shit. The Harvester case in Australia – over 100 years old and still we feel the impact of that outrageous decision.

Arky
October 19, 2021 3:56 pm

DrBeauGansays:
October 19, 2021 at 3:51 pm
Arky is right

..
We could save a lot of time and just inscribe that in the blog header.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 3:57 pm

…it doesn’t mean they want to destroy their traditional social and family bonds forever.

Then they should stop voting Labour*, because that’s the socialist ideal – to elevate the state over traditional social and family bonds. For the greater good, of course.

*And hopefully some alternatives to the Lieberals will spring up too.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 3:59 pm

If the VAERS stuff is questionable, then so is the “died with COVID” tally.

That Jo
That Jo
October 19, 2021 4:00 pm

So at 49:00 in the press conference today Dear Leader say “from Friday, don’t need a permit – so everyone can go to work.”

So if I don’t need a permit, then CHO Directive No. 51 can no longer mandate all staff to be double force vaccinated.

This directive was always only valid to 11:59pm Thursday anyway. All those threatened with being stood down last week if they don’t submit to the vax… there was no need for them to do it.

Mater
October 19, 2021 4:01 pm

If the VAERS stuff is questionable, then so is the “died with COVID” tally.

That goes without saying.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:02 pm

Dot

VAERs isn’t “questionable”. From my understanding it was never intended to be a source for data examination. It’s like a giant notice board where people can post what they believe is important needing further examination.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 4:03 pm

More likely it was libertarian up to the civil war and after WW1 it went off the reservation.

The attack on civil liberties dates from the Civil War.

Lincoln is also the father of US statism.

Arky
October 19, 2021 4:04 pm

where people can post what they believe is important needing further examination.

..
Doctors, I think, not people.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:06 pm

Gab and Roger.

Thanks for mentioning the name of the book. You were both right… (are you two ever wrong?)

Yes, Viktor Frankl.

Man’s Search for Meaning.

What a human being.

Viktor Frankl – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Viktor_Frankl
Viktor Emil Frankl (26 March 1905 – 2 September 1997) was an Austrian neurologist, psychiatrist, philosopher, author, and Holocaust survivor.
Education: Doctorate in Medicine, 1931, Docto…
Nationality: Austrian
Occupation: Neurologist, psychiatrist
Alma mater: University of Vienna

twostix
twostix
October 19, 2021 4:07 pm

Abbott was elected Prime Minister.

He was elected because he instinctively called the whole thing “bullshit” on political and ideological grounds. But now his successor has just signed us up to the whole thing. So demonstrably all the tens of thousands of man hours Jo Nova types have spent endlessly autisising over data sets for the last 12 years has had a minor effect on anything compared to the massive effort.

Without the polemicists and propagandists all the ‘analysis’ of data in the world is meaningless, angels dancing on the head of a pin type stuff.

Nobody cares about the ISO-EREABLAH data set showing a 0.342332423424 degree whatever compared to the NERWA-0345345345 data set that shows it was 0.442342423 if there isn’t a bunch of people turning it into palatable arguments and propaganda.

The biggest break out – the ‘hockey stick’ leak was used for an effective propaganda win by polemicists – the data people broke it, but only then played a supporting role. Nobody cared about the actual numbers, people cared about the content of emails and comments in the code ‘hide the decline’, etc, and that was enough to make everyone care that the numbers were being manipulated at the base level. But indeed without the data nobody would have ever known about it to start with, and data people made sure people didn’t go too far off the reservation, so there’s that.

But I’ll say this, if people think climate data is a mess of political bullshit and interference and GIGO, wait until you see public health data. Climate data comes from instruments, through relatively scientific institutions. Public health data comes from millions of people in all sorts of situations entering shit in manually based on their perception of other people and the world into systems built by politicians and bureaucrats specifically to show that data in a particular way.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:09 pm

Roger.

Perhaps, I wouldn’t disagree with your view of Lincoln.

I’d add this point though. I think the genesis of American statism was always slavery.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 4:10 pm

You can’t. It always goes to shit not matter how much you try. It’s what humans do.

Doomer pills! A heady mix of black and red flavours.

Take the White Pill.

Sunset clauses
Confederalism
Sortition
Recall elections
Term limits
Jury nullification
Subsidiarity
Initiative, but only to strike down bad laws.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
October 19, 2021 4:12 pm

I noticed some discussion of supply chain issues earlier. As I drive around Metro Melbourne daily and down to Traralgon twice a week, I have noticed a decided lack of logistics transport on the roads. Plenty of Tippers and construction vehicles, but hardly any food trucks except for a few refrigerated doubles. Linfox, Toll and Finemores seem to have disappeared this week except for tankers.

Does anyone know if there is industrial action going on?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 4:12 pm

Doctors, I think, not people.

Doctors are people too Arky…

Nurses however…

Baba
Baba
October 19, 2021 4:14 pm

Sunset clauses
Confederalism
Sortition
Recall elections
Term limits
Jury nullification
Subsidiarity
Initiative, but only to strike down bad laws.

Piano wire

Baba
Baba
October 19, 2021 4:16 pm

But I’ll say this, if people think climate data is a mess of political bullshit and interference and GIGO, wait until you see public health data.

Truth.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 4:16 pm

I think the genesis of American statism was always slavery.

Interesting idea.

I suppose its a short step from “my land was more productive when I oversaw my slaves therefore the country would be better managed under my control”…

Any time government can treat with a “group”instead of individuals its shit for the individuals.
we are here because of epidemiologists being allowed to treat the population as a ‘group”to have daddy government force us to do whats good for us.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 4:17 pm

Piano wire

Well that escalated quickly.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:18 pm

Doctors are people too Arky…

Nurses however…

The only people who should call themselves doctors are American docs, from the top 10 teaching schools and here grads from Melbourne and Sydney unis. Preferably ours have trained in the US extensively.

Everyone else is a grade of nurse.

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 4:18 pm

In my experience (anecdote time), ladies use fat like armor once they cant be bothered with sex anymore.

Or as protection after rape and physical abuse. Knowing some …

cohenite
October 19, 2021 4:20 pm

I don’t see how the US can come back from where it is now. There are too many swamp traitors who have infiltrated and control every institution. Which means with the US useless and the eurotrash being their usual useless selves the chunks will have the run of the place. Which is fucked since they play no decent sports and what sports they do play they cheat constantly at. They have the aesthetics of drunken pigs, the eating habits of drunken pigs and the sense of humour of drunken pigs. Combine that with their monstrous egos, their gigantic face and unattractive women and things look bleak.

cohenite
October 19, 2021 4:23 pm

twostixsays:
October 19, 2021 at 4:07 pm

Very sad and very true.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:29 pm

Cronkite.

They can come back. Don’t forget the only reason the demented moron is in the White House is because they cheated.

One of two things has to happen… or both things actually as a lesson learning experience.
The have to stop the cheating or they have to cheat even more to surpass the Demons cheating. A combination of both works too.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 4:35 pm

Tom , earlier mentioned Channel 10 and CBS.

More than one person has suggested that CBS is closely tied to the US intel agencies – particularly the CIA.. Just thought I’d add that in.

caveman
caveman
October 19, 2021 4:39 pm

TaliDan gonna keep those Cheka passes long into 2022.

And into the election.
Bring it on for UAP and PHON.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 19, 2021 4:40 pm

and down to Traralgon twice a week,

You Sir, have my deepest sympathy. 🙂

dopey
dopey
October 19, 2021 4:44 pm

ABC News all set for Glasgow. Big evil chimneys in the background spewing out black stuff like never before.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 4:46 pm

#FoxNews #Gutfeld
Joe Rogan cancels the cancelers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmixv8Zp9ps

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2021 4:47 pm

where people can post what they believe is important needing further examination.
..
Doctors, I think, not people.

People, as well as doctors.

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients.

And the legal reporting requirements on healthcare providers gives a hint why Covid report numbers – and particularly deaths- are heavily up on other jabbings.

Mandatory reporting for scheduled vaccines is limited to quite specific direct consequences of the jab in question.

In the case of Covid vaxxes, healthcare providers are required to report:

• Serious AEs regardless of causality.

• Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

Small clue right there.

Mater
October 19, 2021 4:54 pm

I put this out on Sunday but didn’t get any clarification. Is there confirmation of this anywhere?

The direction (here) expires on Thursday night.

Commonsense would indicate that unless they renew it (or legislate it permanently), the requirement placed on the employers, disappears.

He might just rely on gullible employers to continue down the same path, but we’ll see what he pulls out of the hat.

shatterzzz
October 19, 2021 5:03 pm

Plenty of Tippers and construction vehicles, but hardly any food trucks except for a few refrigerated doubles. Linfox, Toll and Finemores seem to have disappeared this week except for tankers.
Does anyone know if there is industrial action going on?

Drivers for several of the bigger haulage companies voted to strike over a pay claim last Thursday but after seeing that report which ha dno other detail .. crickets since .. so no idea if it’s on or coming ……

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2021 5:03 pm

He might just rely on gullible employers to continue down the same path, but we’ll see what he pulls out of the hat.

Does the same apply to the four LC members banned for not sharing private medical information? If so, he has only three days to get his “Pandemic” Law (aka Enabling Act) through.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 5:03 pm

Guest post: Speedbox – Could a cyber-attack trigger war
Posted on October 19, 2021 by Adam D
https://catallaxy-files.com/guest-post-speedbox-could-a-cyber-attack-trigger-war/

There are concerns that the world has only experienced a very small level of the true threat posed by cyber-attacks. With both state and non-state actors becoming more adept at carrying out attacks in the cyber realm, the threat to global security and economy will continue to grow. This raises the possibility that cyber-attacks could spark an actual conflict outside of the cyber sphere.

In just the first six months of this year, the severity of the attacks reached a new high.

Florida Water – In February, a plant operator noticed how the cursor of his computer started moving across the screen and opened software functions that controlled the water treatment process. The hacker was able to boost the level of sodium hydroxide pumped into the water by 100 times its normal level before the attack was thwarted.

Colonial Pipeline – The cyber-attack directly impacted the fuel supply for the East Coast of the United States. The chaos, fuel shortages and price spikes were a consequence of a leaked password to an old account with access to the VPN used to access the company’s server. Colonial paid a ransom in Bitcoin although much of that was reportedly recovered.

Microsoft Exchange – A Chinese cyber espionage group uncovered and exploited four newly discovered vulnerabilities in the email software, putting at risk millions of organizations and government agencies across the globe. Microsoft worked to revert the damages caused by releasing an update to the system and providing mitigation guidance. The issue caused most email exchanges to be offline or degraded for several days.

The foregoing is just the tip of the iceberg. Hundreds of lesser known (or now forgotten) attacks have occurred such as Marriot International in 2020 which revealed the personal information of some 5.2 million hotel guests including name, mailing address, email address, phone number, employer, gender and date of birth.

The cost of cybercrime goes far beyond the actual money invested in detecting, responding and recovering an organisation from an attack and the situation has been getting worse. In 2015, the World Economic Forum estimated the global cost of cybercrime to be $3 trillion. That figure is forecast to reach a whopping $10.5 trillion by 2025.

The use of cyberweapons against military industrial systems was reinforced with destructive effect in 2010 by the most (in)famous computer virus of them all: Stuxnet.

Stuxnet was a complex, multifaceted malware that disabled uranium-enrichment centrifuges in Iran, slowing down the country’s nuclear program. Back then, nothing could match Stuxnet for complexity or sheer cunning — the worm was able to spread imperceptibly through USB flash drives, penetrating computers that were not connected to the Internet or a local network.

Hundreds of thousands of computers were infected yet the worm manifested itself only on computers operated by Siemens programmable controllers and software. On landing on such a machine, it reprogrammed these controllers. Then, by setting the rotational speed of the uranium-enrichment centrifuges too high, it physically destroyed them.

Whilst many in the West cheered Stuxnet, it reinforces the question of whether by accident or design a cyber-attack may result in a devastating outcome. The Florida Water attack is a case in point. Fortunately, the operator noticed the moving cursor on his computer and responded quickly. Florida Water advised they have overlapping systems that would have prevented the contaminated water from being released to the public however this incident was a classic example of a cyber-attack with potentially serious consequences.

Recently, US President Joe Biden said that war in the future could be sparked by actions in cyberspace. This is a somewhat ironic observation by the US President as Stuxnet was a product of US and Israeli collaboration and he was Vice President during part of its development and at its release, but I digress.

For the last several years many have speculated that numerous ‘Trojan Horse’ programs lie idle in the computer operating systems of government departments and various utilities around the world waiting to be activated. An investigation confirmed the malicious script in the Florida Water system had been in place for at least two months before activation, for example. Could a single cyber-attack initiate a tit-for-tat response leading to a military confrontation?

Stuxnet, for all its brilliance over a decade ago, ushered in a new era of cyber-attack and a malicious action by any number of governments could initiate a dangerous escalation.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2021 5:05 pm

JC at 3:23

Brucie, VAERS is not, let me repeat, is not and was never intended to be a prime source for data examination. It’s a “place” one goes to record an issue 

And it is open to public recording.
I wonder if the percentage numbers have moved for the same vaccine over the last six months, which would indicate perhaps people discovering it and putting in fudged reports.
I would bet an Australian VAERS would have geographic clusters centred on Byron Bay, Brunswick and big chunks of Tassie.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 5:11 pm

“Shy Ted says:
October 19, 2021 at 9:53 am
Big moment for you, mh. I was too busy listening to Doc Vernon who has the best headline this week. You can start at 2:30 and listen for a few minutes. You might like to be seated when he talks about the US legislation. I wouldn’t lye.”

You’ll be Drinking Granny Soon!

https://vernoncoleman.org/videos/youll-be-drinking-granny-soon

18th October 2021
Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2021 5:12 pm

‘and down to Traralgon twice a week’

My sister lives in Churchill. She’s a nurse. Not a qualified ED nurse or a psych nurse, an ex-palliative care nurse who now does a bit of contracting here and there. You know, a ‘health professional’.

Don’t wind your window down near her house, for two reasons:
1. You’ll hear her; and
2. You might catch being a moron.

Delta A
Delta A
October 19, 2021 5:25 pm

ARKY IS RIGHT!

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 19, 2021 5:27 pm

I note that McGowan has essentially made the 80-90% vaccination rate impossible to achieve by counting 12yos and above as a part of the eligible population, rather than the (already dangerously young) 16yo lower age limit in other jurisdictions. So WA’s hard border is here to stay – until the pandemic hysteria passes, that is. In the meantime, I wonder how many additional 12-15yos will suffer vaccine injuries as a consequence of this decision.

Remember, McGowan has the easiest executive position in the world – as long as WA remains Covid-free, he will be wildly popular. And it’s easy to keep WA Covid-free – just keep the hard border. That’s what’s going on here. As soon as Covid settles in WA, McGowan loses his sainthood. And he really wants to keep it. So he’s going to keep that border locked tight for as long as he can. Sacrificing 12-15yos to a dangerous, experimental medical intervention is a price he’s perfectly willing to pay in order to do this.

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 5:31 pm

2. You might catch being a moron.

Sorry KD, too late!

caveman
caveman
October 19, 2021 5:40 pm

Chris Kenny had a go at this video made by indigiknee elders.
Said this video was dangerous, loopy and unscientific.
Having just delivered a speech saying not to ridicule the unvaxxed.
the video

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2021 5:40 pm

Just when you thought there isn’t a bigger steam pile than Perfidious Dan, David Koch steps in with a hold my beer.

So you don’t get to mix with kochie if you aren’t vaccinated. That’s another reason for not getting the jab.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 19, 2021 5:41 pm

The only people who should call themselves doctors are American docs, from the top 10 teaching schools and here grads from Melbourne and Sydney unis. Preferably ours have trained in the US extensively.

Everyone else is a grade of nurse.

An understandable generalisation, but a bit unfair on Oxford, Cambridge, the Scottish “ancient universities” and the London teaching hospitals JC.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 5:45 pm

Maxicar:

A very provocative gravitar you have there!

One of the techno whizzes on the old cat put it up one day and I stole it, without giving credit, or anything.
I’m a bastard like that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 19, 2021 5:59 pm

Why would anyone want to mix with Kochhead except concrete. Another truly loathsome Kockhead.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 6:01 pm

Salvatore:

Huge container misallocation across the globe, apparently, and getting worse daily.

…and I suspect the misallocation is on purpose.
The Chinese are playing games.
Mind you, I’d like to be proven wrong because this strategy of supply chain disruption is being very effective.
Anyone care to bet on the growth in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.

struth
struth
October 19, 2021 6:04 pm

Remember, McGowan has the easiest executive position in the world – as long as WA remains Covid-free, he will be wildly popular. And it’s easy to keep WA Covid-free – just keep the hard border. That’s what’s going on here. As soon as Covid settles in WA, McGowan loses his sainthood. And he really wants to keep it. So he’s going to keep that border locked tight for as long as he can. Sacrificing 12-15yos to a dangerous, experimental medical intervention is a price he’s perfectly willing to pay in order to do this.

The border has never been locked tight, or Western Australians would be starving and their supply chain destroyed. Nowhere has had closed borders, so how do you think he’s keeping covid out?
When you work that out you must come to the conclusion the whole thing is a scam.
A fraud.
There is no other explanation.
They find covid when they want to find covid, and the big number of cases lately in Melbourne plays right into Dan’s hands.
The only plan is to get the majority vaccinated so there is acceptance of the social credit system via the “vaccine passport”.
They play with the weak minds of the gullible and ahistorical population to ensure digital control occurs.
They haven’t won by a long shot and they are absolutely devoid of worldly smarts (just look at Klaus, wouldn’t know what’s involved in getting his milk to the table and could not entertain the concept of how smarter than him, bigger than him, and angrier than him, those less wealthy than him, are….billions of people).
As the most lockdown and tyrannised country in the world right now, we know why.
We are the most over governed.
This is what will be reset.
The great reset caused by governments being too disconnected from reality and believing their own bullshit and importance.
They are going to force a reset.
Thinking they can take over ze vorld……huge mistake.
It’s just how much damage they do before they are strung up.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:04 pm

An understandable generalisation, but a bit unfair on Oxford, Cambridge, the Scottish “ancient universities” and the London teaching hospitals JC.

Muh, once upon a time, Neilson.I think I mentioned this once. I had a boss who lived in London and was there for work. He was an American. Even for a sniffle this fucker would jump on a plane and go see a doc in NY or California where he was from. He had zero trust.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 6:06 pm

I think the genesis of American statism was always slavery.

I had to step out for a while to run some errands, as my American ancestors might have put it.

JC, can you unpack that a little?

Incidentally, the southern states were free traders up to the civil war while the northern states were protectionist.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:09 pm

and I suspect the misallocation is on purpose.
The Chinese are playing games.
Mind you, I’d like to be proven wrong because this strategy of supply chain disruption is being very effective.
Anyone care to bet on the growth in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.

Yes please. I’d like to take up the bet. I would like to bet that the Western economy is not going to halve and that the inflation rate which is currently running at about 4.5% will not double to 9%.

Let’s bet a decent amount here and of course we escrow. The bet will commence from today.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:09 pm

rickw, what do you think of this:

See if you can find a brushless motor version, with no gearbox (not sure if that model has a gearbox but definitely looks like brushed motor version). The CCP motor control electronics are seriously good and the brushless motors are relatively quiet.

Have a think about if you need a tilting column version, a real point of flexing / weakness is the tilt on the column. You might be better off to buy a fixed column one and a good quality tilting vice.

Will have a quick look at options and post some links.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:11 pm

Check out Ausee, he’s nominally the Seig distributor for Australia AND he can get spare parts:

https://www.ausee.com.au/shop/

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:12 pm

Roger.

The governments of the southern states ran a huge racket to protect slave ownership with laws and sanctions against slaves and those who abetted them. It was very coercive. Also, the Civil war could very well have been avoided. Slavery could not have existed without the governments of the southern states in full compliance.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2021 6:18 pm

After Principal Dan keeping the Great Unwashed in after school until April, why would you not just move to NSW, where no-one will give a rats after December 1st?

struth
struth
October 19, 2021 6:19 pm

So JC.
People misreporting to VAERS only would happen with the covid vaccines?
It would have to be hundreds of millions of jabs all up with all the other vaccines over the entire time people have been reporting to VAERS, but they’ve just decided to become all Byron Bay about these new genetic concoctions?
Same rules of reporting for all vaccines.
Just say straight out, you wish everyone would just shut up with the bleeding obvious because you took the jab and you don’t need it spoiling your last few years ………………………………….
I get that.
But there are others who are starting to crack under the pressure and we need to help them stand firm.
I’m sure you understand.

struth
struth
October 19, 2021 6:20 pm

After Principal Dan keeping the Great Unwashed in after school until April, why would you not just move to NSW, where no-one will give a rats after December 1st?

NSW is further than 15 k’s for most unjabbed Victorians.

struth
struth
October 19, 2021 6:22 pm

Let’s see how the unjabbed are treated after December first in NSW.
Will they be able to travel interstate?
No.
Will they be able to go to major events, …no.
Will they be able to leave the country…no.
The vaccine passport is what this is all about.

Ellen of Tasmania
Ellen of Tasmania
October 19, 2021 6:23 pm

This is the quick 2 minute version:

https://thehighwire.com/videos/vaers-whistleblower-teaser/

and this is the interview in full:

https://thehighwire.com/videos/these-patients-deserve-to-be-heard-vaers-whistleblower/

Deborah explains the reporting process that you go through with VAERS, and might help people understand why reporting might not be as comprehensive as could be hoped. It’s pretty time consuming.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Here’s the non tilting version:

https://www.ausee.com.au/shop/category.aspx?catid=8226

Here’s the version with tooling package:

https://www.ausee.com.au/shop/item.aspx?itemid=3920

This seems to be good value for money AND it’s a good tooling combo using MT3 collets. These are a great option for a small machine as they don’t take up much vertical space and they keep the cutter close to the spindle bearings. Only warning is just to check availability and cost of MT3 collets, the alternative is to go with the R8 spindle version, R8 collets are very common:

https://www.ausee.com.au/shop/item.aspx?itemid=3812

Tilting vice:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/194344010011?hash=item2d3fce411b:g:rzEAAOSw3ethN46K

Razey
Razey
October 19, 2021 6:25 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 19, 2021 at 6:18 pm
After Principal Dan keeping the Great Unwashed in after school until April, why would you not just move to NSW, where no-one will give a rats after December 1st?

LOL. You’re living in fantasy land if you think that NSW will let the un-clot shotted in…

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:25 pm

Struth.. No, misreporting could happen with anything on there. However, there should be additional concerns around the covid issue because of how politicized it’s become.

Having said that, for the second time now, VAERS was never meant as a data collection bucket which you can analyze. It’s basically meant as a public notice board.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2021 6:30 pm

Right…thanks for that, JC. Aside from the moral issue, I think slavery was very inefficient and would have been phased out without the war, which Lincoln was largely responsible for. As for Southern statism, I don’t think the bureaucracy associated with slavery itruded that much into general life that it could be described as statist; most Southern whites didn’t own slaves and centralisation and government interference were inimical to their culture. Thus did Jeff Davis have a difficult time wrangling those states into a confederacy. One fact of life, on both sides, which does point to both incipient statism and a strong reaction to it was the introduction of conscription, which free men on both sides felt to be an affront.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 6:34 pm

ABCcess has a bit on the lusting lesbian locker room ladies.

You will be glad to know in this instance the poor behaviour is “complicated’ and caused by Muh soggy knees.

Lisa De Vanna’s allegations highlight tensions in Australia’s complex football culture

In the wake of former Matilda Lisa De Vanna’s allegations of sexual harassment, abuse, bullying, and grooming inside Australian women’s football, a number of key issues have emerged.

Followed by a gruinaid level spelling error.
are ow seen as contributing

Then there is this world class snow job of verbal squid ink.
Imagine this blurb was trotted out after Todd Carney or Robert Muir stories were aired.

“Team cultures are comprised of dynamic relationships, rituals, norms of behaviour and communication (what can be spoken, what is taboo),” she told ABC Sport.

“Cultures have both stable and shifting patterns as they are influenced by different players, coach expectations, organisational practices and broader societal change.

“People are positioned within team cultures differently, so perceptions often differ in terms of identity, roles, histories and values.

“Cultural norms exert a powerful influence when they devalue different identities (based on sexuality, race, gender identity, etc) in subtle and overt ways as this infuses the atmosphere [with] mistrust or belonging.”


Much more squid ink.

I hope its trotted out next time an AFL or Rugby player is caught spit roasting a trollop in the change rooms after a game.

This complex understanding of culture also explains why — in a sport that has historically been a safe and inclusive space for LGBTQI women — a discourse has re-emerged that is steeped in negative stereotypes and attitudes towards those same women.

According to Professor Fullagar, this has been evident in the reporting’s language, which used historically loaded phrases such as “predatory behaviour” and “grooming” to refer to a sporting culture in which LGBTQI women have been over-represented compared with other social spaces.

“What’s been really unfortunate is the way these issues have been framed in a discourse that’s very much tied into historical constructions of lesbian and queer women as somehow predatory, as monsters,”** Professor Fullagar said.

“It’s such a problematic framing because it doesn’t untangle the behaviours and what might have happened, all it does is reiterate a notion — a very problematic notion — that somehow women’s sport is a site for young women to be influenced in negative ways.

“That discourse has been challenged so much in sport in recent years, and there’s been a huge effort to push back against those stereotypes, which do nothing to help anybody – they’re terrible for heterosexual women, they’re terrible for queer women.

Sexuality is no longer such a binary. It’s much more fluid, there’s a lot more negotiation about identity*, and sport really should be a safe space for everyone.

“So the challenge is to untangle that and really stop and think about the use of language*** and what it does in media reporting within sport organisations [and] how athletes understand the issues, because there’s a lot of terminology that does get thrown around: what does ‘grooming’ mean in a particular context? What does ‘predatory behaviour’ even mean?”****

* From pray away the gay to fingerbang the straight away…
** Harvey Weinstein, here is your new defense…
*** SHUT IT DOWN!!!
**** From a news article on whats alleged. The women’s national team have been at the centre of heavy media scrutiny over the fortnight since former teammate Lisa De Vanna made historical allegations of sexual harassment, indecent assault, grooming and bullying throughout her 20-year career, at both amateur and professional levels.
Another player, Rhali Dobson, also claims she has been a target of predatory behaviour over her career.

At least 2/3 of this article is devoted to Lesplaining (mansplaining, but with added sapphic stimulation)the allegations away as the result of the evil manbearpatriachybearpig attacking gays/lesbians…

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 19, 2021 6:37 pm

Thanks muchly, rickw.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:39 pm

After Principal Dan keeping the Great Unwashed in after school until April, why would you not just move to NSW, where no-one will give a rats after December 1st?

Looks like The Bat Eared Mong has sealed my fate.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2021 6:39 pm

Same rules of reporting for all vaccines.

No.
Covid vaccine ‘adverse events’ are reported to VAERS quite differently.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 6:41 pm

rickw:

Northern Amalgamated Foundries doesn’t exist anymore because worksafe shut them down with $1M of safety improvements…..

Wearing my Junior Albert Speer Hat, I tend to look at industries and how they would be converted to war production. So I went looking at their site to see what they could do.
Their site is quite minimal – have they been shut down and do you have any further information?
Ta.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 6:45 pm

Eyrie:

The Spit took about 3 times the man hours to build so I can see why the Germans weren’t interested in stealing the design.

I’ve often felt that was a grossly unfair comparison to make. Britain factored in the time spent by having tea ladies and shop stewards.
Being a Fascist organisation, Germany had neither.
🙂

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:47 pm

Their site is quite minimal – have they been shut down and do you have any further information?

The last job they did for me they said they were shutting down, the site I used to go to no longer exists. They may have kept going in some form.

Note that there are still a few foundry’s in operation.

http://www.beckwithmacbro.com.au/

I think these guys actually cast steel railway points for the CCP because the CCP made ones are shit!

struth
struth
October 19, 2021 6:49 pm

Struth.. No, misreporting could happen with anything on there. However, there should be additional concerns around the covid issue because of how politicized it’s become.

The people that took the jab and the doctors and nurses administering would be submissives who trust the government, would they not?
Either apolitical or left leaning.
The politics would come in when considering under reporting.
We know for a fact governments are playing the damage and death down and still calling these jabs that have killed people, safe.
Tell that to the relatives of the dead.
The only politics effecting the reporting would be keeping the numbers way lower than they are.

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 6:49 pm

Those little mills are cute as, but I understand they are best used on plastics and aluminium. The little lathe that I went shares in is light, like those mills, and produces a really ugly finish on steel, if it will touch it at all. It just isn’t rigid enough.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 6:50 pm

rickw:

The problem with India is Indians. They are a bloody nightmare to deal with.

A few years ago someone put up a video of Indian steel mill accidents, and opined that they were much more damaging than elsewhere as everyone just took off and let the problem cascade without taking simple remedial action that could stop the unfolding disaster.
Don’t know if it’s true but certainly sounds about right.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:53 pm

Roger , I agree that the masses didn’t own slaves. However, the state apparatus was set up for those that did and the state protected ownership. You can’t really get more statist than that – when the government protects the right to own other human beings.

Look, the South was mostly agrarian and grew the one thing the booming British economy wanted in huge quantities. Cotton! The South exchanged their cotton for manufactured goods so it’s not surprising they respected free trade or at least more so than the industrializing North. But look, I agree the South had very libertarian instincts.. as long as you were white. 🙂

… I think slavery was very inefficient and would have been phased out without the war, which Lincoln was largely responsible for

I’m not sure it was inefficient, Roger. In fact, I’d argue it was quite efficient economically at least… it was economically efficient. You paid for them, fed them and you made sure they worked. Even if they were pikers workwise they could have been economically efficient.

I read a really interesting piece by David Friedman, Milts son at his blog. He argued persuasively that if the Civil War had been avoided and the South kept their slaves, slavery was very conducive to production line activities and in this respect the South could have actually industrialized faster than the North. I’ll see if I can find the piece.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 6:55 pm

Turtle head. The bet! Amount and we escrow.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 6:57 pm

The little lathe that I went shares in is light, like those mills, and produces a really ugly finish on steel, if it will touch it at all. It just isn’t rigid enough.

What sort of cutters are you using? Can recommend DCMT 070204 inserts, the work well:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265367530718?hash=item3dc9232cde:g:jQEAAOSwzeFhbifE

Also, if it is baulking at steel:

1) Check the tension on the spindle bearings, they should have a reasonable pre-load on them.

2) Use free machining steel, don’t feed it mild steel.

I brought the cheapest and crapiest one I could for fun and it will even allow you to part off (2mm wide insert parting tool).

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 7:03 pm

I’ve often felt that was a grossly unfair comparison to make. Britain factored in the time spent by having tea ladies and shop stewards.
Being a Fascist organisation, Germany had neither.

IIRC, Me109 and P-51 were about 4,000 man hours and a Spitfire was about 12,000 man hours.

That’s a lot of tea and shop stewards!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 7:08 pm

A good news story of a civilization which has brought protein and tasty pig bits to the masses..

on average, every citizen consumes one serving of meat every day of the week, including four servings of red and processed meat.

///record zip

British diets are as bad as ever….Meaningful policy support is required to make healthy and sustainable diets accessible, affordable and appealing for all of the British population.

Apparently this was written in poo on the walls of a padded cell. Disturbing enough, until you realize the patients arms were restrained and they had to hold the “pencil” in their mouth.

The foods we consume are a major driver of global heating, contributing similar amounts of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere as the UK energy system. Meat and dairy are responsible for more than three-quarters of this impact. Without meaningful reductions in meat and dairy intake, there is little chance of meeting emissions reduction targets, both at national and international levels. It has been estimated that if everybody ate like a Briton, we would be a massive three times over the food-related target for avoiding dangerous levels of climate breakdown. If we eat above our means, others will have to change their diets even more to rein in climate breakdown. Rather than contributing its fair share, the UK is outsourcing its responsibility for reducing food-related emissions to other countries.


A comprehensive review of the scientific literature on healthy eating suggested limiting red and processed meat intake to below one serving a week (14g a day), five times below the current recommendation.

Dr Strangelove called, he says you are infringing on his copyright for authoritarian dickhead ideas which will make people miserable.

One key policy is to provide the right incentives* to consumers, for example by making sure food prices accurately reflect a food’s health and environmental harm. Accounting for the full costs of foods would particularly increase the costs of meat in reflection of its high impact on health and the environment. Current estimates for the UK suggest meat would cost at least 36-56% more if climate breakdown costs were included, and red and processed meat would be up to 79% more expensive if health costs were included. These price changes would encourage consumers to switch to healthier and more environmentally friendly protein sources such as beans, lentils and nuts. Because those are generally cheaper, there would be financial savings too. And the revenues from this policy could be used for providing additional support for helping low-income households improve their diets.

*TAX THEM/ TAX THEM ALL!!
Dr Marco Springmann is a senior researcher in population health at the University of Oxford
to
Dr Marco Springmann Will be gibbeted alive just above the high tide mark and his rotting carcass fed to tasty, tasty piggies to complete the circle of life.
He is the very model of a modern bugman urbanus.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 19, 2021 7:11 pm

A few years ago someone put up a video of Indian steel mill accidents, and opined that they were much more damaging than elsewhere as everyone just took off and let the problem cascade without taking simple remedial action that could stop the unfolding disaster.
Don’t know if it’s true but certainly sounds about right.

I remember being in India shortly after the Bhopal disaster, and reading the Indian newspapers and magazines. Most of them admitted that Union Carbide had put pretty good emergency protocols in place that probably would have averted the disaster if they’d been carried out, but instead everyone had just scarpered.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 7:11 pm

Lordie..

I haven’t watched it for a decade or so. I just walked past the TV in the living room and A Current Affair was on with Tracy Grimshaw. She fucking huge. I don’t think a 55 inch TV could hold her girth as she’s about 3 axe handles across. Man she’s big.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 7:11 pm

Plenty of P-51 production footage in this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqrjnJFDnU

Somewhere in this there is footage of two guys putting propellers on them. Basically balls out all day just putting propellers on them, not doing up the nut or installing the spinner JUST getting the propeller mounted on the shaft.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Winston,
I’ve often felt that was a grossly unfair comparison to make. Britain factored in the time spent by having tea ladies and shop stewards.
Being a Fascist organisation, Germany had neither.

I once (about 30 years ago) went to a gliding club annual dinner where the guest speaker was an old German. He had been a Luftwaffe pilot flying the Ju 88 but got shot down by mistake by the Kriegsmarine. Broke just about every bone in his body. when he recovered they made him a civilian but gave him a job at the Messerschmitt factory doing production test on the Me 262 jet.
They had a strike of the test pilots one day which the guy said was probably the only one in the history of the Third Reich that didn’t end with the sound of a firing squad. One of the boys on a test flight had been jumped and shot down by a P-47 and he couldn’t defend himself as the Germans would not allow civilians to fly with ammo in the guns (laws of war, illegal combatants, don’tcha know). It took only one day before the test flights got a full load of 30mm for the MK108 cannons.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 7:14 pm

Indolent:

Which, again, begs the question, what are these vaccines for and why are they pushing them so relentlessly?

And that, Indolent, is precisely what has gotten so many of us with our spidey senses tingling.
The steady drumbeat of compulsion and failure to comply with the diktats from the Brahmin Class, as well as the targeting of our mob and the attempted separation and marginalising of us from mainstream society is proof to me that nothing good is coming.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 7:14 pm

She fucking huge. I don’t think a 55 inch TV could hold her girth as she’s about 3 axe handles across. Man she’s big.

Speaking of ED….

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 7:15 pm

Turtle head. The bet!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2021 7:17 pm

’ve often felt that was a grossly unfair comparison to make. Britain factored in the time spent by having tea ladies and shop stewards.
Being a Fascist organisation, Germany had neither.

Corelli Barnett’s book “The Audit of War” has got some fairly grim examples of British industrial ratbaggery during World War Two.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 7:18 pm

I’m not sure it was inefficient, Roger. In fact, I’d argue it was quite efficient economically at least… it was economically efficient. You paid for them, fed them and you made sure they worked. Even if they were pikers workwise they could have been economically efficient.

It was also responsible for impoverishing large swathes of other “white” farmers.
No possible way to make up for the amount of man hours a couple of hundred slaves could put in.
So no great chance of a large middle class unless it could subsist off servicing the slave industry??

And anyway, I think slavery was doomed once the age of steam really kicked in.
Its probably 3/4 of the reason it died in the arse in the Commonwealth.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2021 7:20 pm

50% of men suffer ED these days

Gives new meaning to being hung like a horse.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2021 7:22 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-michael-gunner-address-anti-vaccine-protest/100550236

Oh dear…
Fascist shitbag is upset someone might take the traditional fascist shithead removal method to his home…

Mr Gunner this morning told ABC Radio Darwin’s Jo Laverty the comments made him “very worried” for the safety of his wife and infant son.

“I made sure they left the house immediately because you just don’t know what’s going to happen,” he said.

“And it’s on the internet, so you just don’t know who’s watching.

“It obviously wasn’t a good moment over the weekend.”

Once it comes into effect on November 13, the mandate will block unvaccinated workers from attending their workplaces at risk of a $5,000 fine.

He could, you know, try not being a massive C&^T.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 7:28 pm

P:

No freedoms for the unvaccinated well into 2022 in Victoria

I heard of a poll that showed the unvaccinated should be made readily identifiable to others.
Can’t find it, but can anyone help?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

The Spit took about 3 times the man hours to build so I can see why the Germans weren’t interested in stealing the design.

I’ve often felt that was a grossly unfair comparison to make. Britain factored in the time spent by having tea ladies and shop stewards.
Being a Fascist organisation, Germany had neither.

All jokes aside, the man-hours to build a Hurricane were something like 1/3 of the hours it took to knock up a Spit.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 7:31 pm

Piker alert.

Arky
October 19, 2021 7:33 pm

The Northern Territory Chief Minister says his family had to leave their home after his personal address was disclosed in front of a large contingent of anti-vaccine protestors at the weekend.

..
Remember when everyone’s home address was in the fucking phone book?
What’s happened to us that everyone just assumes if people know who you are and where you live that you’ll get murdered in your sleep?
Maybe, rather than worrying about his home address, this cockhead might reflect on the nature of this new. sick society him and his ilk have presided over.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2021 7:33 pm

This video gives a long discussion with reference to peer-reviewed data, around various issues that people have with the data on Covid 19 and vaccines to reduce its impact. It presents an overview of the Covid the range of Covid spike proteins, focusing on the particular spike protein in the vaxxes, and the expectations about what happens to it in the musculature at the site of injection, as well as on the debris found, as expected, in the lymphatic system.

On the Open Thread there has been much discussion of VAERS, which as the presenters say in this video is, by its nature, initial and very preliminary unsorted data; their discussion is very good on death certification and some problems with that regarding comorbidities. It is ‘authoritative’ and of course following expectations, it takes a generally reassuring line. No doubt some can pick holes where they wish in some of the conclusions, allowing for a biochemistry that may not even yet be fully understood or reportage of injuries regarded as underplayed (or perhaps overplayed?). Most discussion centres on the mRNA vaxx and not the AZ DNA vaxx (my preference) although both types propagate the spike protein.

I don’t want to engage here to be abused. So I am deliberately withdrawing quie a bit but will add some links here and there for people to consider.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 7:35 pm

These miserable excuses for leaders otherwise known as premiers/chief ministers have certainly revealed the real reason they were attracted to politics.

Arky
October 19, 2021 7:37 pm

We’ve gone rom being a society where everyone was comfortable knowing where everyone else lives, and no one knew what you wanted to poke up your bottom, to a society where everyone has a meltdown at the thought of having their address and phone number revealed, but are totally comfortably revealing the most gory details of their sex lives.
Just kill everyone now, we’re done.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 7:38 pm

Anyway, if Scumo happened to be distressed by deadshit Gunner’s outrageous excesses, couldn’t he overrule them? I assume the shitty NT government is just at the commonwealth’s pleasure or am I wrong?

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 7:39 pm

Arky:

The USA needs to do what companies do when they spin off a company full of all the shit they don’t want.
Saw off a few states and leave all the crap behind there: EPA, FBI, CIA, all the public servants, all the lobbyists, all the scum careerist generals .

That’s what Partitioning the US will do.
The Woke US will get a harsh lesson in the real world, and the rest will do very well.
Read the Kurt Schlicter series of novels for a good idea of how it will all turn out.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 19, 2021 7:39 pm

Gab,
fyi, submission sent.

Arky
October 19, 2021 7:41 pm

Oh dear Lord God Almighty, kill us all now and put this dismal parade to an end at last.

Arky
October 19, 2021 7:43 pm

Oh dear Lord God Almighty, kill us all now and put this dismal parade to an end at last.

..
Preferably before Lizzie has the chance to write another travelogue.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 7:44 pm

Mater:

I also think Dan’s making an assumption that the 90% vaccinated will support his brain fart.

Probably because all his advisors and the people who matter tell him so.
It happens every time administrators surround themselves with ‘yes men’ – it’s a self referential bubble that lets no amount of dissension in.
But Dan is too clever to think it would ever happen to him.
*sigh*

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2021 7:46 pm

Winston

The Woke US will get a harsh lesson in the real world, and the rest will do very well.

If the partitioning is by county rather than state, then the Woke US would be reduced to an archipelago of Blue (mostly large cities, some stripped of some of their suburbs) surrounded by an ocean of Red, from which the majority of their food and fuel will have to be purchased. Even bright Blue states (notably Cali, Oregon and New York have quite significant populations of Red voters.

Get them by the b@lls, and their hearts and minds will be yours.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 7:46 pm

Piss off DC and the Pacific Coast. May be Delaware too. Fuck that little shit bird state off. Might be good to add British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. Maybe Manitoba too. Would need to bring Chicago into line of course.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2021 7:53 pm
miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 7:55 pm

It’s a shame Cali has turned to shit- it was a wonderful place. Snow capped mountains to deserts. Leaders in irrigation, electronics and aerospace. I remember taking Amtrak from Truckee to Oakland when I was a kid- the landscapes reminded me of the California chocolate box.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2021 7:57 pm

Thank you for the VAERS comments Dr Faustus.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 7:59 pm

I really hope the American people can overcome what has been done to them just as I hope we can do so here in Australia. The two assaults on freedom and enterprise are not unrelated.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 8:05 pm

Doc Beaugan

Arky is right, we need the number of adverse reports per vaccination. The number of reports is relatively uninformative.

I believe it is intentionally so – just to create confusion, unfortunately it’s also creating anger as people don’t like being bullshitted to.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

The Northern Territory Chief Minister says his family had to leave their home after his personal address was disclosed in front of a large contingent of anti-vaccine protestors at the weekend.

..
Remember when everyone’s home address was in the fucking phone book?
What’s happened to us that everyone just assumes if people know who you are and where you live that you’ll get murdered in your sleep?
Maybe, rather than worrying about his home address, this cockhead might reflect on the nature of this new. sick society him and his ilk have presided over.

I’m a touch surprised that most people in Darwin didn’t already know where his house was.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:12 pm

IMO all the shit that started in 2020- scamdemic, race war was all because the lesbian bitch didn’t cheat enough in 2016.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 8:12 pm

If the partitioning is by county rather than state, then the Woke US would be reduced to an archipelago of Blue (mostly large cities, some stripped of some of their suburbs) surrounded by an ocean of Red

I think that’s the model, and don’t let the fuckers out of their blue cities. Within 5 years they’ll be begging the Reds to invade them and shoot the fuckers that did this to them.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:14 pm

If breakup of the USA really were to happen I think it would start with Texas. Then hopefully others would follow.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 19, 2021 8:16 pm

Making France great again.
The French Trump and his Five Eyes:
identité, immigration, indépendance, instruction, industrie.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:16 pm

DC is an abomination, a canker. Just like Canbra but magnified.

johanna
johanna
October 19, 2021 8:17 pm

Snap, Salvatore.

In a small town like Darwin, Gunner’s address is hardly a secret. I am sure that anyone who doesn’t know it could find out very quickly just by asking around.

Cue demands for extra, armed security of the kind that ordinary people would get thrown in jail for.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:24 pm

That old turd from the Watergate era Bernstein still hanging around like a bad smell. Can’t these old deadshits (77) just FOAD.

shatterzzz
October 19, 2021 8:30 pm

The Useless Bunch .. The GLADYS & DAN family .. LOL!
https://youtu.be/PjXngak9qmc

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 8:32 pm

rickw, thanks for the recommendations! I indeed was feeding the lathe mild steel. The tools were HSS, I bought them at Carbatec back when they had the little metal lathes and mills and tooling, and free ground them myself – so not exactly tech-filled.
I hope to get to a new project soon – a wheellock. 1560s hi-tech!

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 8:37 pm

Eyrie:

I once (about 30 years ago) went to a gliding club annual dinner where the guest speaker was an old German. He had been a Luftwaffe pilot flying the Ju 88 but got shot down by mistake by the Kriegsmarine. Broke just about every bone in his body. when he recovered they made him a civilian but gave him a job at the Messerschmitt factory doing production test on the Me 262 jet.
They had a strike of the test pilots one day which the guy said was probably the only one in the history of the Third Reich that didn’t end with the sound of a firing squad. One of the boys on a test flight had been jumped and shot down by a P-47 and he couldn’t defend himself as the Germans would not allow civilians to fly with ammo in the guns (laws of war, illegal combatants, don’tcha know). It took only one day before the test flights got a full load of 30mm for the MK108 cannons.

In Alex Henshaw’s book Sigh for a Merlin a similar situation arose, I think they did get a load of ammo but bloody quickly found that being the Spitfire test pilots didn’t make them fighter jockeys. The war quickly progressed, and they didn’t face that risk for very long after those events.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:37 pm

Speaking of Texas, since the old thief abandoned border controls, how much longer are they going to put up with this? Punishment for being hard working, GOP supporters no doubt. The ‘rats have gone the full malicious incompetence.

Chris
Chris
October 19, 2021 8:40 pm

I also note that one of my Dad’s friends among Jodel D-11 builders went on to build a scale FW-190; he had actually first learnt gliding in the Hitler Youth in Austria during the war.

twostix
twostix
October 19, 2021 8:43 pm

Why should NT guy be afraid of the public knowing his home address, is he an unpopular king?

Oh yes, that’s right, he’s stuck a gun in everyone’s face and told them he’ll obliterate their lives and families if they don’t do exactly as he says like medieval peasants and now he’s shitting himself that someone might return the favour.

twostix
twostix
October 19, 2021 8:46 pm

I like the way that these premier god-kings can now mandate literally anything now, and the people who cry out in protest are simply labeled ‘antivaxxers’ by everyone, a large percentage of vacinnated-cultists nod their heads in agreement, and the freak circus rolls on.

miltonf
miltonf
October 19, 2021 8:50 pm

The sharp end of the US establishment now becoming the same for the Australian establishment-

ANTIFA Brisbane – The unvaccinated are fascist “freaks who make us sick”

An antifa group protests in Brisbane, Australia over the weekend calling for stricter government action on Covid-19. pic.twitter.com/2ZT5qYBExU

— Andy Ngô ???? (@MrAndyNgo) October 17, 2021

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 8:52 pm

What a bunch of disgusting frauds and arseholes.

Is Meat Too Cheap? Towards Optimal Meat Taxation

January 2021SSRN Electronic Journal
DOI:10.2139/ssrn.3801702

Authors:

Franziska Funke
The London School of Economics and Political Science

Linus Mattauch
Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change

Inge van den Bijgaart
Charles Godfray
Cameron J. Hepburn
University of Oxford

David Klenert
Marco Springmann
Nicolas Treich
Toulouse School of Economics

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 8:53 pm

ANTIFA Brisbane – The unvaccinated are fascist “freaks who make us sick”

An antifa group protests in Brisbane, Australia over the weekend calling for stricter government action on Covid-19. pic.twitter.com/2ZT5qYBExU

GOVERN ME HARDER, DADDY!

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 8:59 pm

JC:
The bet – One clarification and one non negotiable demand:
1. “Anyone care to bet on the growth * in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.
*Insert growth rate as a clarification, which is inferred if not explicitly stated.
2. You stop calling me childish names -this is serious business.
3. The bet is for the usual – $1. (Thanks Trading Places.)

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 8:59 pm

One of the best shots you will ever see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ft4aUH5lEo

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 9:07 pm

From the way she speaks I don’t think Annelise Nielsen understands that the DNC currently controls the House, the Senate & the Whitehouse.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2021 9:08 pm

rickw, thanks for the recommendations! I indeed was feeding the lathe mild steel. The tools were HSS, I bought them at Carbatec back when they had the little metal lathes and mills and tooling, and free ground them myself

Buy one of those DCMT holders (12mm square ones) and some leaded free cutting or E1020 and it should be transformed! If you play around with it and decide you maybe need to replace the spindle bearings, let me know, because if it has a 4” chuck then it is possible to upgrade to a 32mm spindle bore, but you need access to another lathe. Enjoy the project, sounds cool!

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2021 9:10 pm

What’s BTC at now?

Must be a dumb fad.

Arky
October 19, 2021 9:12 pm

Bitcoin takes it up the arse.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 9:13 pm

Scrolling the Cat today, Michael Malice’s national divorce theory is getting some rave reviews.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 9:14 pm

Malice did Rogan again today.
That would be his 6th time.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 9:16 pm

Unfortunately for Malice, grifters like Glenn Beck have jumped on board.
The final nail in the coffin would be Hannity saying tick tock on the subject.

Malice recorded Beck’s show last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lg_3PQnvk

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2021 9:18 pm

On some other show this week, the bird asked Malice “So you’ve been on Rogan’s show five times?” and Malice replied “what, you’ve never been?”.
Cheeky farker.

JC
JC
October 19, 2021 9:19 pm

Just sad.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 19, 2021 9:20 pm

Just had a heartwarming experience.
A bunch of mates were sensing messages round suggesting a catchup late November, and debating what restaurant to meet at.
I responded “Sorry, not allowed – not vaxxed”.
Instantly the messages came back, with no questions or criticism, that we’re catching up at one of the guys’ houses.
Even here in Victoria, there are some who may have bowed the knee to Rimmon but they won’t bend the knee to Baal. Don’t let anyone fool you that the public are all behind Maximum Leader.

Bruce in WA
October 19, 2021 9:25 pm

You have to wonder about Tracy … but none of us gets better looking as we age.

Eye bleach warning.

Bruce in WA
October 19, 2021 9:26 pm

Timothy Neilson says:

Just had a heartwarming experience.

Wonderful!! Made my day.

Arky
October 19, 2021 9:29 pm

You have to wonder about Tracy … but none of us gets better looking as we age.

..
Selfish bitch.
How many chins does one person need?

132andBush
132andBush
October 19, 2021 9:35 pm

rickw says:
October 19, 2021 at 8:59 pm

One of the best shots you will ever see:

No wonder, he’s a lefty.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2021 9:38 pm

JCsays:

October 19, 2021 at 9:19 pm
Just sad.

You don’t want the bet?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2021 9:44 pm

Even here in Victoria, there are some who may have bowed the knee to Rimmon but they won’t bend the knee to Baal. Don’t let anyone fool you that the public are all behind Maximum Leader.

I haven’t seen a lot of “flips” but the StandWivDans have gone vewwy, vewwy quiet of late.

Baba
Baba
October 19, 2021 10:03 pm

SBS News@SBSNews

Dedicated pop-up clinics are opening in Melbourne offering a safe space for the LGBTIQ+ community to get a COVID-19 vaccine. #fabjabs
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2021/10/19/fab-jab-clinics-are-popping-week-help-lgbtiq-victorians-get-vaccinated

If you encounter someone using the term ‘pop up’ in place of temporary, beware. It’s one of those helpful markers that lets you know you’re in the company of an insufferable fuckwit.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 10:09 pm

More Evil from Big Pharma

https://vernoncoleman.org/videos/more-evil-big-pharma

15th October 2021
Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc

MatrixTransform
October 19, 2021 10:13 pm

One of the problems people have is instantaneous information connected in our pockets
and in our faces
all the time

watching the tv tonite for the James Bond … it’s rare I watch tv because it’s such gibberish
but the ads tonight, they’re like grooming

Safeway the bullshit people
A glass and a half of full cream bullshit
can you tell a covid cough from a bullshit cough?

turn on the radio … they are shooting at you right now with bullshit bullets.

the commies have just replaced bullets with bullshit
when your non-compliance becomes too difficult
the bullshit will stop

Razey
Razey
October 19, 2021 10:18 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
October 19, 2021 at 10:13 pm
One of the problems people have is instantaneous information connected in our pockets
and in our faces
all the time

watching the tv tonite for the James Bond … it’s rare I watch tv because it’s such gibberish
but the ads tonight, they’re like grooming

Safeway the bullshit people
A glass and a half of full cream bullshit
can you tell a covid cough from a bullshit cough?

turn on the radio … they are shooting at you right now with bullshit bullets.

the commies have just replaced bullets with bullshit
when your non-compliance becomes too difficult
the bullshit will stop

There is no future in the English speaking countries. Australia is circling the drain, there is no doubt.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2021 10:19 pm

In a small town like Darwin, Gunner’s address is hardly a secret.

Of course it’s not a secret. He lives with the ABC reporterette (yes) that he knocked up a couple of years ago.

I’ts all very, very poor theatre, and the punters know it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2021 10:22 pm

It’s a complex relationship between Gunner and the NT punters.

Just like the ‘complex relationships’ between established women soccer players and newbies, except Gunner has a very good idea of what the people want to put inside him.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 10:29 pm

Steve trickler says:
October 19, 2021 at 8:26 pm
Who knows how long this clip will last on Sussie?

Tommy Robinson debates idiots outside court, It doesn’t end well for them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr2_85phWs0

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 10:36 pm

Steve trickler says:
October 19, 2021 at 9:03 pm
Worthy of knowing about. 4:19

?? “DAN ANDREWS YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER” ? ?? | GRAHAM HOOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4p5X8fiMc

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
October 19, 2021 10:41 pm

silly molecule names just for the heck of it, maybe from someone at the old Cat, I dunno

Razey
Razey
October 19, 2021 10:44 pm

srrsays:
October 19, 2021 at 10:36 pm
Steve trickler says:
October 19, 2021 at 9:03 pm
Worthy of knowing about. 4:19

?? “DAN ANDREWS YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER” ? ?? | GRAHAM HOOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4p5X8fiMc

They say we are in the right etc, but it being in the right didn’t stop millions of Jews being murdered. Evil can last a long long time. God, Allah, Buddha etc didn’t help them, and they won’t help us trying to stand up.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2021 10:48 pm

Covid-19 is a plandemic. Check it for yourself

This is from Canada. Not easy to explain away.

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 10:58 pm

DHS Insider Who Exposed ‘Reasonable Fear’ Migrant Asylum Loophole GOES PUBLIC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTz7xe3TfmI

Oct 19, 2021
Project Veritas

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2021 10:59 pm
cohenite
October 19, 2021 11:00 pm

Bruce in WAsays:
October 19, 2021 at 9:25 pm
You have to wonder about Tracy … but none of us gets better looking as we age.

Eye bleach warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKb3L6bukm0&app=desktop

srr
srr
October 19, 2021 11:07 pm

About to start live now-

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #244
Callum and Harry discuss the end of Stonewall, asking GPs to see patients is harassment, and Norway’s Islamist terror attack.
https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-244-1-10-21

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 19, 2021 11:16 pm

People who worry bout da gaia and da globull warmenining have always been on a sheltered workshop guided tour and would not have a fucking clue how real nature works.

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