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GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 26, 2021 10:41 am

Booked to fly out Friday for my new job in Arizona.
Fillem cameraman.
Kevlar vest.

Sure its not New Mexico as replacement on Hot Shot Alec’s set.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 10:42 am

Hi Elvis! Good to see you.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 10:43 am

My limited experiences with interlocutory matters was limited to trying to remember of whether we were acting for the plaintiff or the defendant. No time for soaring oratory.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 26, 2021 10:43 am

A lot of legislations seems to be got around through leaving it to bodies set up under legislation having power to create rules beyond the constraints to legislation.

Pare back that power and we would only get new laws at the feverish rate politicians can knuckle under, rather than the much faster breakneck speeds of the eternally enraged goblins in the dark lower recesses of bureaucratic silos.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 26, 2021 10:43 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
October 26, 2021 at 9:57 am

Quite frankly I don’t blame the magistrate for putting the kibosh on Bosi’s ravings and rantings.

One of the outcomes is that this will be used to tar all other right-leaning parties

anything or anyone that even remotely digresses from The Cathedral is automatically labeled right wing so the “tarring” becomes a joke.

local oaf
October 26, 2021 10:44 am

Posted my submission to the Digital Identity Bill feedback.

No-one will read a word of it, unless to add my name to a list of “far right” conspiracy nuts, but it serves its purpose I suppose.

Allows us conspiracy nuts to feel like we’ve made a stand and now we can’t complain we weren’t consulted.

The 99.99% of Australians who’ve never heard of the bill won’t be able to complain either when they finally learn what’s been done to them. “You should have spoken up when you had the chance” will be the official response to their complaints.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 10:46 am

It doesn’t matter. He’s now between the cross hairs. Now we’ll be told all about him, most of it negative. They’ll delve into his past, private or public, it won’t matter to them. As long as it’s juicy and paints him in a bad light.

Get it all out there, sifted and sieved and over long before the election.

May have been a smart move.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 10:47 am

Somehow a discussion of the state of mind of the leader of a minor party who aspires to hold sway over the Senate is irrelevant?
Or is it simply that it is embarrassing?
That we are confronted with the realisation that our guiding star in the East was nothing more than a plume of hot gas?

Arky
October 26, 2021 10:48 am

The priority for parties on the right must be the utter destruction of the Liberal party and the severance of those in it at all levels from the body politic.
Anyone tainted with belonging to the broad church must be locked within the Liberal party and sunk along with it.
These people cannot be allowed to reinvent themselves.

srr
srr
October 26, 2021 10:52 am

“Joe Rogan Calls Don Lemon A ‘Dumb Mother-F***er’ As CNN TRIPLES DOWN On Their Ivermectin Lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhHh9X5nD3k
330,668 views Oct 26, 2021
Timcast IRL
1.12M subscribers
Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join lawyers David ‘Viva’ Freihert and Robert Barnes to break down Joe Rogan’s explosive reaction to Don Lemon’s analysis of CNN’s ivermectin stance.”

Sadly, lots of ‘Don Lemon’s’ & ‘CNN’s’ at the cats, all but declaring a Mandatory Celebration of Chairman Dan’s near complete dictatorship, all madly trying to divert attention away from where we are being marched to.

cohenite
October 26, 2021 10:53 am

The bolded bit is insane, illogical and extremely low IQ – as well as poorly written.

I don’t know about poorly written but it makes legal sense.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 10:53 am

callisays:

October 26, 2021 at 10:46 am

It doesn’t matter. He’s now between the cross hairs. Now we’ll be told all about him, most of it negative. 

Almost all of the “negative” stuff is batshit crazy pronouncements spilling out of his own motor-mouth, unedited and posted on his own Big Website.
The media have a lot to answer for, but creating the public persona of the leader of A1 is all Bosi’s own work.
Remember back about 18 months ago he posted a few things on Sinc’s blog?
Then he disappeared.
Why do you think that was?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 26, 2021 10:54 am

And Dot add that they can stick a FPO on you even if you don’t have one, then they can search your house without a warrant and nick all your hard drives and your phone.

I was reading earlier about the 1/6 events and new investigative and forensic reporting on Revolver. Pretty clear the whole thing was an inside job by the agencies. Turns out even Sullivan was on alphabet agency payrolls.

It would be no surprise to me if we now effectively have secret police in Australia, since they clearly do in the US.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

A police inspector, police prosecutor and an acting magistrate could actually send you away for decades or fine you massive amounts

Dot, why is the Police Inspector required for this?

Won’t a low-IQ Constable do?

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 10:57 am

Tut tut, Riccardo, tut tut.

Yeah sure, no one wants a cuckoo representing them and definitely not one who will be plastered as such in our ever honest and reliable MSM. But seriously, the left have been loading up on the weirdos for ages and getting them in. We need a few load and proud nutters to get in to open the gateway for the reasonable, palatable units. If only we can get over soiling our hands at the ballot box and actually vote for them because he once went off at a magistrate. The respect for the burnt down institutions of this country is noble but misguided.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 10:59 am

Hi Calli! Hope you’re well.

Took awhile to adjust to no cat then 3 cats. Is this the one?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 11:01 am

Everyone should lay off Bosi.
In five days, all will be revealed.
Just make sure the red shoes are looking spiffy!

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 26, 2021 11:02 am

It would be no surprise to me if we now effectively have secret police in Australia, since they clearly do in the US.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole Antifa is run by the agencies.

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 11:03 am

Dot, why is the Police Inspector required for this?

Someone with rank to sign off on things. I think it is the drug/asset seizure rules in NSW that allow this. Perhaps a Superintendent.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 11:04 am

I don’t know why he disappeared, Sancho.

He’s having a go. Most people in politics are batsh*t crazy. It must be a prerequisite. The worst is finding the ones you “like” are completely cracked also. Or just plain greedy.

Elvis. I think this may be the “one”. I enjoy the other one too, but mainly for lurkation purposes these days.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 26, 2021 11:05 am

EvilElvissays:
October 26, 2021 at 10:57 am

I agree with E-E here.
The Overton Window keeps shifting left because we’re so worried about being uncool.
I usually vote 1 for the most batshit crazy right wing candidates on the ballot paper because :
(a) if middle class pinkos vote for the Greens why shouldn’t I do a mirror image?
(b) we need to give serious conservatives a bit of space to the leeward by having some more extreme types well in public view, so that the MSM destroy their veneer of “credibility” even further when they try to label mainstream Australian type candidates as “far right”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 11:05 am

It would be no surprise to me if we now effectively have secret police in Australia

Why do the police need to be secret when they can do whatever the fuck they want in public with zero ramifications ?

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 11:10 am

Anyone even mildly “conservative” is now painted to the right of Adolph.

If our future really is as bleak as we’re painting it, let’s have some crazies in amongst the dull grey Mao suits.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 26, 2021 11:10 am

Mudderfocker is the one thing Don le Mon isn’t.
boom tish.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:12 am

Ullo, Ullo, Ullo. What have we got here then?

Has someone here been criticizing our dear leader Dan?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 11:13 am

Just don’t mention the nano wrigglers and you’re probably OK.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 11:13 am

Don Lemon went to LSU.
Unless you play basketball, football or want to learn a whole lot re ag, you have no business going there.
Does Lemon fall into any of those categories?

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 11:13 am

Also, I reckon Riccardo would look right at home in a quilted smoking jacket and silk cravat. Diamond tie pin optional.

So there’s that too.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 11:13 am

Arky says:
October 26, 2021 at 10:48 am
The priority for parties on the right must be the utter destruction of the Liberal party and the severance of those in it at all levels from the body politic.
Anyone tainted with belonging to the broad church must be locked within the Liberal party and sunk along with it.
These people cannot be allowed to reinvent themselves.

Always brimming with the very best ideas. Let’s not focus on seeing out the Greens and the Liars Party. The libs are the more evil ones that must be destroyed. This sounds awfully like a greens interloper.
🙂

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:14 am

let’s have some crazies in amongst the dull grey

I’ll do my best to help out.
Where is Dr. Stimpy?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 11:15 am

The respect for the burnt down institutions of this country is noble but misguided.

My criticism of him had nothing to do with disrespecting the institution.
It had to do with him blowing an opportunity to make a clear statement for a little more “look at the wonderful Ricardo”.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:16 am

left right left right …

You guys are soooo binary!

custard
custard
October 26, 2021 11:17 am

This is the one Elvis. Nice to chat the other day!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 11:17 am

Always brimming with the very best ideas. Let’s not focus on seeing out the Greens and the Liars Party. The libs are the more evil ones that must be destroyed. This sounds awfully like a greens interloper.

If your priority in Victoria isn’t getting rid of Andrews and his Upper House enablers, then you’ve totally lost the plot.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 11:19 am

Excellent gravatar, Custard. Lol!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 26, 2021 11:20 am

The Overton Window keeps shifting left because we’re so worried about being uncool.

Nope, Tim, it’s split in two. There’s a left one and a right one. But the LNP keeps chasing after the left window whilst their base stays in the right window. Hence their falling first preference numbers.

I’ve been watching this process quite a while. The centre has basically vanished due to the leftwards movement of the the Dems and the ALP (plus Greens). Stiglich picked up on this today in Tom’s toons.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 26, 2021 11:21 am

Unless you play basketball, football or want to learn a whole lot re ag, you have no business going there.
Does Lemon fall into any of those categories?

He may have thought Animal Husbandry involved a celebrant and an evening of nuptial bliss in the barn.

At least going to CNN his mind can drift back to those young and ardent days, carried like Aladdin on the stink of plenteous bullshit.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 11:22 am

Meanwhile in loonie London:

‘It wasn’t one of my better moves’: Insulate Britain eco-zealot winces in pain after gluing his FACE to the tarmac – before Government FINALLY wins injunction banning the protesters from all Britain’s main roads

The Government has won a nationwide injunction against Insulate Britain covering ‘entire road network’

Environmental campaigners from Insulate Britain restart their road blockade protests in London

Daily Mail

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:22 am

Dan is the devil you know.
The are many many MPs in the Viktoristani parliament who are as bad or worse.
They must all go.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 26, 2021 11:22 am

If your priority in Victoria isn’t getting rid of Andrews and his Upper House enablers, then you’ve totally lost the plot.

Yes. In other circumstances one might indulge in the pleasure of destroying the half-witted egotistical self-seeking invertebrates of the Victorian Coalition, but we’re talking about basic survival here.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 26, 2021 11:24 am

Anyone even mildly “conservative” is now painted to the right of Adolph.

Which is only fair since anyone who is mildly conservative is to the right of Adolph.
Hence why Dan finds it so easy to be a fascist.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 11:24 am

callisays:

October 26, 2021 at 11:04 am

I don’t know why he disappeared, Sancho.

This is just me guessing, but here goes.
1. Sinc’s platform became too small to accomodate the Great Ricardo; or
2. He disappeared around about tyr time his “red shoes rule the world” manifesto came out. And we know how much Sinc loved that stuff. Hi Anne. Hi Gunner.

He’s having a go. Most people in politics are batsh*t crazy. It must be a prerequisite. The worst is finding the ones you “like” are completely cracked also. Or just plain greedy.

The thing is, I can’t figure out what he is “having a go” at. Apart from the “Big Things” predictions and expansive treason laws, what the fuck are his actual policies?
I see him as no more than another in a long line of grifters looking to get a leg up onto the gravy train.

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 11:24 am
A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 26, 2021 11:26 am

Before you destroy Andrews, you must have a viable opposition. To have a viable opposition you have to destroy the LNP. What part of this progression escapes you?

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 11:27 am

Old, but worth reading

http://counter-currents.com/2011/06/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers-part-1/

http://counter-currents.com/2011/06/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers-part-2/

While Michelle Langley focuses on the psychology of “liberated” female sexual behavior, Stephen Baskerville’s Taken into Custody details for us the brutal police-state machinery which has grown up in the past forty years to encour­age, enforce, and profit from it. Here is the reality behind such commonplace euphemisms as “marital breakdown” and “custody disputes”:

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 11:27 am

incoherent rambler says:
October 26, 2021 at 11:22 am
Dan is the devil you know.
The are many many MPs in the Viktoristani parliament who are as bad or worse.
They must all go.

Rambler , that the putting the sitting member last grand strategy. We’ve been through that and it doesn’t work.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 26, 2021 11:33 am

Yes. In other circumstances one might indulge in the pleasure of destroying the half-witted egotistical self-seeking invertebrates of the Victorian Coalition, but we’re talking about basic survival here.

Judging by the email Mr. Guy sent out yesterday, even IF they win the next election, it will be more of the same, just on a longer time scale.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:36 am

Viva la revolución,

These fsckers do not realize what a short step it is to a complete break down of social order and the rise of the revolutionaries.

Kaos awaits.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 26, 2021 11:38 am

Chinese state media calls Biden admin ‘most incapable’ in US history

They are not going to say it because it is true (it is, but anyway) but because it advances their agenda.

Talking about the US, but talking to every other nation to encourage them to turn to China.

They also know that the hobbling inept Biden admin will make their point with the very protestations and actions with which they will attempt to refute it.

I saw one of the Clips of Biden’s CNN Town Hall where, having wandered of the topic of the question asked, he said something that he probably should not have – along the lines that an employee should be able to go up to their boss and negotiate higher wages if they are more productive and bring in more money. Productivity as a basis for payment? Could scupper the ridiculous miminum wage campaign where a fry chef should be paid as if they had four kids and a mortgage.

Zipster
Zipster
October 26, 2021 11:38 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 26, 2021 11:39 am

We’re in a constant propaganda war and it’s hard enough to untangle the data and sift out the really stupid stuff.

Well, here’s some of the stupid stuff:

You will experience the law from the other side of the bar table at the hands of The People.
We know not yet whether you have sworn secret oaths. But soon we will know all these things and more.
By the authority that I am a sovereign being.
I am my own authority, and you will submit to me just as you will submit to the other millions of Australians*.

Only six days remain for you to join with the people against the Tyranny of which you are part.
If you do not, may God have mercy on your soul in the next life because We The People will have no mercy on the guilty in this one^.

I am not telling anyone what to do. Vote for this bloke if you like. Hitch your wagon to this star, as others did for Bunnings Karen (‘But she was Doing Something!’) and the hot chick at the border checkpoint reciting SovCit dogma (‘Doing Something!’) and every other alfoil-covered lunatic in the country.

Bosi is different, though, for three reasons:

1. He signed his ‘despatch’ of yesterday (which, by the way, was only picked up by the ABC as far as I’m aware, and it ranked at 30) as ‘National Leader’:
2. He was in the ADF; and
3. He actually wants to have people killed, via the death penalty, for something called ‘political warfare’. Now, excuse me for being cautious but if that doesn’t sound awfully like extermination of political opponents then I’m not here.

So yeah. I will take the piss out of people like this, and with damned good reason.

*Think about that for a second.
^Lifted straight from Gladiator.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 11:40 am

How good is the beach wall at Collaroy in Sydney.
Unlikely it would have been needed if the planned sea wall was built 10-15 years ago, but high profile opposition from people like Wendy Harmer up the hill protested against it.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 26, 2021 11:43 am

“At least he is doing something.”

What many French said when Adolf and co. took over their country.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 26, 2021 11:43 am

Indolentsays:
October 26, 2021 at 9:29 am
PERMANENT State of Emergency Legislation for Dan Andrews

Dan is creating legislation to enshrine his dictatorship.

His own personal Enabling Act. His Fuerhership will, of course, use this only in genuine emergencies.

Like falling poll numbers.

Zipster
Zipster
October 26, 2021 11:46 am

Judging by the email Mr. Guy sent out yesterday

conservatives don’t seem to know what remains to be conserved

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 26, 2021 11:47 am

Dot, why is the Police Inspector required for this?

Won’t a low-IQ Constable do?

Low IQ Plod Inspector still doesn’t know its his arse that’s been following him around all the time. Early last year got introduced to old ex Inspector retired on physical grounds. Worked on many murder cases. Shook his head about the current crop. Old fashioned police work gone out the door. The ones that replaced him are off on paper pushing exercises to cover the next up the food chain, ad infinitum. Don’t know what he thinks about how its gone now. Must ask my mate if I remember.

custard
custard
October 26, 2021 11:47 am

I did this yesterday. You might want to do so too

DIGITAL IDENTITY LEGISLATION

How to submit your notice of rejection to Australian Government

https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au

• The Australian government wants to collect and use your biometric data. See page 12 of this report: https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-06/tdif-04a-functional-guidance-release-4-v1.2.pdf
• If you do not object to this legislation, you are consenting to this legislation. If you wish to object to this legislation, you have until 5pm EST 27 October 2021
• To object to this legislation will take no more than 2 minutes. The submission form is easy to fill out. There are only three fields you need to fill in – Follow the instructions below:
1) Go to website: http://www.digitalidentity.gov.au
2) Go to the top horizontal menu and click on “Have Your Say”
https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/have-your-say
3) Scroll down to “Digital Identity legislation consultation phases”, and Select “Phase 3 – Now Open”
4) This will take you to the submission form page
https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/have-your-say/phase-3
5) Scroll to the bottom of the page and select “Go to the submission form”
6) Scroll down and you will see 7 questions. The only required field is Question 3: “Your Email Address”. You are not obliged to provide any other details in any other field except Q8.
7) Question 7 asks if you are an individual or organization. Select “Individual”, and question 8 will appear below.
8) Question 8 is where you provide your feedback, in 1000 words or less. You can say something really short, medium or longer. Feel free to cut and paste any of them into the feedback field or compose something yourself. It can be as simple as “I do not approve of this legislation”. Samples below:
• I do not approve this legislation and you do not have my permission to enact it
• I do not agree with this legislation in any way shape or form. I reject your proposals/”options” in full, and I do not give any mandate to proceed with this legislation
• I do not agree to, or endorse this DIGITAL IDENTITY LEGISLATION in any way shape or form. I do not give my consent to have my ‘identity’ digitized nor digitalized in any way shape or form, as is proposed by this legislation. I do not consent to having my private and confidential personal data centralised, and potentially made accessible “across the entire digital economy”, nor to any second or third party that may be included in that arena. I unequivocally object to, and therefore reject this proposed “whole-of-economy solution” legislation. Without Prejudice. All Rights Reserved.
9) Click on “Complete Form”, and you will be taken to a new page: “Your response has been recorded successfully”
10) Now email us on [email protected] so we know how many people responded

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 26, 2021 11:47 am

Rabzsays:
October 26, 2021 at 9:33 am
Boambee John – no I haven’t forgotten, will hopefully have that submission on the digital identity bill ready to go this afternoon. I’ve written most of it, but it needs a final comprehensive edit. It’s a synthesis of any relevant comments on that previous thread (with some editorialising of my own).

Will post it here once finished. The closing date for submissions is tomorrow.

Thanks, I look forward to seeing it.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 26, 2021 11:48 am

Having spent a few months on the edges of the Adelaide legal establishment, it’s safe to say there are an awful lot of skeletons in an awful lot of closets. Bosi has previously referenced this. Go Ricardo.

twostix
twostix
October 26, 2021 11:50 am

‘Lockdowns’ as political weapons and enforcement tools:

Parts of Queensland that don’t achieve 80 per cent full COVID-19 vaccination by mid December could face the reintroduction of restrictions, the state’s vaccine co-ordinator has warned.

Deputy Police Commissioner Shane Chelepy told Today that vaccination rates in parts of regional Queensland were lagging as the state heads to its December 17 reopening.

“We’re doing a lot of work in those areas but we really need to see those regional areas this week come out and get vaccinated,” he said.

Mr Chelepy confirmed areas without 80 per cent double vaccination would face restrictions imposed if new COVID-19 cases broke out.’

So the urban Labor government, will lock up people- their political enemies heartlands if they don’t do exactly as they’re told.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 26, 2021 11:51 am

“At least he is doing something.”

How often have we heard that, when doing nothing to see what happens is the better way to go. Usually its the ones who don’t know what to do but have to look as if they do know.

cohenite
October 26, 2021 11:51 am

It’s long but is a good reference. It’s not all bullshit by the greenies; it’s a pity this guy is not at Glasgow:

The Australian
Sobering perspective on ‘net zero by 2050’ from Vaclav Smil (theaustralian.com.au)
BY: TICKY FULLERTON
24TH OCTOBER 24, 2021
Since the first global climate meeting in 1992, the world has only achieved a drop from 87 to 83 per cent fossil fuels.
Dr Vaclav Smil, global thought leader & the go-to guy for Bill Gates on the future of energy & resources, delivered an incendiary start to the Credit Suisse Asia-Pacific ESG conference last week.
Asked for his thoughts on how to transition energy in the middle of an energy crisis, he said this was the wrong question.
Sure, Glasgow can have its group hug at COP26 but Smil says targets & forecasts are of no use when the world is fundamentally, overwhelmingly a fossil fuel civilisation.
“Next time when you take a chicken breast, that’s one cup of diesel fuel behind it. A small steak, depending on the cut, is nine to 10 cups of diesel fuel, unless it’s an Australian grass fed steak. Most beef is finished in feed yards,” he says. Tractors, combines, trucks & ships mean transport costs more than the food itself.
The emeritus professor from Manitoba University in Canada reads around 70 books a year, outside his brief & has so far written 45 of his own. All of his are reportedly read assiduously by Gates, who apparently waits on them like a new episode of Succession.
Smil pitched a barrage of problems to a slightly stunned investment audience.
The world gets 83 per cent of its energy from fossils. For the Middle East that number is 99 per cent, Australia 91 per cent, China 87 per cent, the US 83 per cent. Germany spent 20 years turning itself green but it is still 78 per cent fossil fuels.
Since the first global climate meeting in 1992, the world has only achieved a drop from 87 to 83 per cent fossil fuels.
In absolute terms, the amount of fossil fuel has increased.
“Now I am told in the next 30 years by 2050, we are going to go from 83 per cent to zero. That strains one’s imagination. We are burning more than 10 billion tonnes of fossil fuels & we are dependent, in every facet of existence.”
Smil starts with eating: nitrogen fertiliser, where the main input is gas. Without it, he says we could feed only half the world. There is no ready replacement for ammonia synthesis at scale.
Then to heating, which for the northern hemisphere in particular is a human right. The threat of a winter of discontent in Europe & Britain comes just ahead of Glasgow.
And lastly there’s the world’s dependence on the four pillars of civilisation: steel, ammonia, cement & plastics, all of which use fossil fuels.

Smil has no argument about global warming, something he says was acknowledged in 1860. Nor has he an issue with transition, where he sees gas playing a central role. It is the pace of the transition, pushed by organisations like the International Energy Agency, that he believes to be cuckoo. “We are in the very early stages of transition from fossil fuels to something else,” he says. “It took us 100 years to go from wood to 50 per cent coal, 100 years to go from zero oil to about 40 per cent oil. It has taken us so far about 70 years to go from zero gas to about 25 per cent gas. “These transitions are always unfolding, always at their own sweet pace. This could be accelerated, but within reason. You can’t say ‘by 2030 or by 2035’ – it doesn’t work that way.” The reason is that with fossil fuels action needs to be taken at the same time on every front. Yet the West can barely solve one problem at a time. The pace of transition is where Smil & Gates part company. Innovation is the DNA of the Microsoft founder, who believes new technology like hydrogen is the answer. “Bill is an American,” says Smil. “Americans are optimists. They think that they can invent their way out of some problems.” He points to the Covid-19 vaccine breakthrough. “Putting it together was no problem but making it into billions was a problem. We have overcome that, but now 10 to 20 per cent don’t want to take the vaccines, marching through the streets & saying ‘my body, my choice’. Technical solutions don’t solve everything.” Smil remains sceptical of progress in technology. Take the efforts being made to replace diesel container ships that underpin world supply chains. “The Norwegians put into operation the first electric container ship just this year with 120 containers. It goes about 30 nautical miles. The biggest container ships in the world carry 24,000 containers, can go easily 13,000 nautical miles.” And 20 years since talk began on electric cars, he says, the world has 7 million, with 1.2 billion internal combustion engines still on the road. The 2050 “net zero” target also involves massive amounts of carbon being captured underground, a challenge of scale that looks bleak. Until all five big emitters pitch in to cut emissions – China, the US, the EU, Russia & India – Smil predicts any change will be small, perhaps a fall from 36 billion tonnes of emissions a year to 32 billion. “Neither China, India or Russia is rushing to sign on any dotted line.” Asked what the world will look like in 2050 if it does not meet the 2050 target, Smil says simply: that depends. Perhaps France’s Macron will have convinced the EU to accept nuclear.

“We are not powerless, we are always changing – just not at the pace people would imagine it should be now. We have raised expectations too much,” Smil says.
“We’ve got into this habit that anyone can forecast. No, anything beyond about six weeks, it’s not even guessing. A fairytale. Thirty years ago in 1991, there was still the USSR & China was a minor economy. China’s economy has multiplied 14 times.
“Would someone in 1991 have forecast there would be no USSR by now & China would expand & that global warming would be the No.1 international issue? It certainly wasn’t in 1991.”
The climate crisis at that time was acid rain. And the world did solve it & moved on.

Arky
October 26, 2021 11:56 am

Judging by the email Mr. Guy sent out yesterday, even IF they win the next election, it will be more of the same, just on a longer time scale.

..
Yep.
How retarded do you have to be to think that Morrison, that ugly slag in NSW or the wet as Vic libs have done anything in the face of this shit to warrant your vote.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 11:57 am

My thoughts on voting intention.
State – Anything to get rid of Andrews and the Upper House three. The end.
Federal HoR – A lower house vote for most is simply a choice between informal, or picking the least odious of the two main parties. Pretty much the only satisfaction for most will be denial of AEC funding.
Federal Senate –
UAP – maybe. If I can be convinced Fat Clive won’t bung on a repeat performance.
LDP – more encouraging sans Lleyeholm and with their new recruits.
PHON – I see them as an AEC subsidy harvesting machine mostly trading off Queensland boomers. But if they put up a candidate like Latham in Victoria they are in the mix.
A1 – No. Just no.

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 12:00 pm

UAP in the House.

LDP 1 in the Senate. Probably UAP 2 over PHON at 3.

UAP are going hard against nett zero.

Good.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 26, 2021 12:01 pm

The 99.99% of Australians who’ve never heard of the bill won’t be able to complain either when they finally learn what’s been done to them. “You should have spoken up when you had the chance” will be the official response to their complaints.

The Hitch-hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy principle of administrative law.

rickw
rickw
October 26, 2021 12:05 pm

French air raid on Berlin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7qz_osKC-w

cohenite
October 26, 2021 12:07 pm
rickw
rickw
October 26, 2021 12:08 pm

Judging by the email Mr. Guy sent out yesterday, even IF they win the next election, it will be more of the same, just on a longer time scale.

I got that, I think I hit a new record for swearing in the response.

local oaf
October 26, 2021 12:12 pm

The Hitch-hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy principle of administrative law.

Yeah, locked filing cabinet and a sign saying beware of the leopard!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 26, 2021 12:18 pm

Daily Mail

Police seize CCTV footage showing car speeding off from campground where Cleo Smith vanished at 3am

The four-year-old was last seen in the early hours of October 16 at WA campsite
Police investigating footage of a car driving down highway near camping ground
Witnesses said they saw a car driving away from campsite at about 3am

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 12:18 pm

This is the one Elvis. Nice to chat the other day!

Always a pleasure my man. Don’t be a stranger ?

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 12:19 pm

Err, question mark there was a thumbs up.

Or can be read Ron Burgundy style.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 12:19 pm

UAP are going hard against nett zero

Yea, until big fat Palmer receives oral sex from Al Gore.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 12:25 pm

Also, Latham is really decent . He’s the best pol in the country, but the old grifter Sheila owns party wholesale and Latham is a state member.

That leaves the LDP, which has the best policies in the country but will not get more than 2% of the vote. Therefore let’s destroy the libs to ensure a liar greens coalition in perpetuity.

rosie
rosie
October 26, 2021 12:25 pm

Tim Smith won’t get his private member’s bill through.
The Victorian liberal party need to go to the next election with a very clear policy about curtailing state of emergency powers.
I know I and others have written to them several times on the subject since the middle of last year.
There is nothing we* can do or say to influence Andrews who controls the Labor party with an iron fist, the only thing he can’t do is summarily execute dissidents (though I’m sure he’d like to and Bosi intends to).
What happens now in Victoria all comes down to Andrews’ polling which is now under pressure as Perrottet and NSW are showing that covid is about to become over.
I don’t like the lnp and I will vote ldp but a drubbing for state Labor is what I most fervently wish for politically atm.
Let the liberals be beholden to a cross bench.
I can’t see an Andrews led opposition voting with the government, on anything.
*As for Andrews, all we are seeing is more of the same hard left anti Christian policy we’ve seen for the last few years and as many have pointed out we just didn’t take enough notice of state governments before 2020, we should have.
Lesson learnt.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 26, 2021 12:26 pm

How retarded do you have to be to think that Morrison, that ugly slag in NSW or the wet as Vic libs have done anything in the face of this shit to warrant your vote.

Well I certainly don’t.

But we don’t have the luxury here in Victoria of waiting for someone who does deserve our vote. It’s 13 months till the election and there’s zero chance of pulling together a functioning alternative opposition and selling it to the voters in that short time. If there are good independent or minor party candidates that’s great and they’ll get my vote (and if they identify themselves well before the election maybe my support in other ways) but the fact is it’s either going to be Maximum Leader or whoever the Coalition puts up.
In the circumstances, casting valid votes in both houses with the Coalition ahead of Labor/Greens is pure survival.
I agree that Guy is worse than useless, but if he’s less worse-than-useless than Dan (which simply must be the case in any conceivable universe) we need to get him in to give us at least some breathing space to undermine him in favour of someone less bad.
We need to get rid of Maximum Leader and his

cohenite
October 26, 2021 12:28 pm

Article on the Baldwin killing has some good comments.

Bill • 22 minutes ago
People Magazine is reporting that Baldwin is rehearsing getting butt-raped so when he goes to jail he will not look like an amateur.

Sam Huston • 41 minutes ago
The only way Alex will get away with the murder is if he can convince either the a Lib Sherriff, DA, or Jury, that he still sees Trump’s face everywhere.

rosie
rosie
October 26, 2021 12:30 pm

Oh and as sancho said to see the gang of three gone.
Prepared to hand out how to votes for ldp in the Northern Metropolitan region to that end.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 12:31 pm

Shy Tedsays:

October 26, 2021 at 11:48 am

Having spent a few months on the edges of the Adelaide legal establishment, it’s safe to say there are an awful lot of skeletons in an awful lot of closets. Bosi has previously referenced this. Go Ricardo.

A man with a backbone and no fear of “their law” would throw caution to the wind and spit it out.
Loudly and publicly.
Not wink and nod about “rumours” and “big things”.
It all sounds very Faulty.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 12:32 pm

Before you destroy Andrews, you must have a viable opposition. To have a viable opposition you have to destroy the LNP. What part of this progression escapes you?

Nothing escapes me, champ but it sure does escape you as you don’t appear to know the definition of viable. If you did you wouldn’t be coming up with a …shall we say… primitive idea.

What you’re egging for is a leftwing coalition forever. But we know that because you’ve often sung the praises of communism over capitalism.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 26, 2021 12:35 pm

Flying Pigs, 10.43 above. Just to clarify. One of those statements about Riccardo Bosi was from Cassie and I was responding to it by suggesting that the right didn’t need to invite ridicule (it comes readily enough anyway; why fuel it? We need to hold the Centre). Cassie and I both know Riccardo personally and have admired his skills and style in the past. Hairy and I also both worked with him on the electoral hustlings for the Australian Conservatives. He is a good man but seems to have taken a recent path which veers to an extreme politics uninformed by history. He makes electoral calls for an unexamined retribution for grievances that extends to violence beyond all laws. Where anger is often just and palpable it needs to vent away from demagoguery and cooler heads need to speak up for democratic safeguards.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 12:39 pm

JCsays:

October 26, 2021 at 12:19 pm

UAP are going hard against nett zero

Yea, until big fat Palmer receives oral sex from Al Gore.

Mmmyes.
That is the sort of thing I meant by Clive reprising his greatest hits from 2014.
There are two types of “going hard against net zero”:-
1. Holding out for more benefits for your party and big donors. Hi Beetrooter. Still comfy in C*2? Got that private school enrolment sorted?
2. Holding out against it because it is bullshit. Kelly seems to be in this camp, but will Fat Cloive pull the rug if he gets a tickle on his ample tummy with a wad of fifties?

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 12:40 pm

I said he was having a go. And that most people in politics were batsh*t crazy or greedy or both.

My only endorsement to date is the smoking attire and optional tiepin. Sheesh!

Also, the release of his, ahem, truncated phone call has brought out all the negatives.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 26, 2021 12:42 pm

The Victorian liberal party need to go to the next election with a very clear policy about curtailing state of emergency powers.

There was a screenshot of a text message reply to Vic Liberals doing rounds on Telegram and WhatsApp.
The answer to “got any issues or ideas” question from the Libs:
“Yes I do actually, I have a few – you can publicly announce end of vaccine rollouts and mandates and passports and reinstatement of people who have lost their jobs and releasing proven medical treatments and get out of the way of Dr-Patient relationships and then maybe I’ll consider trusting you again but other than that, get fucked”.
From someone named Kerryn.

Again, reading Libs’ email, seems like this fine message got lost on the way back to them.

cohenite
October 26, 2021 12:44 pm

Federally it’s pretty hard to pick one LNP member worth voting for. There’s a few in the Senate. It’s a pity PHON, UAP and the LDP just won’t cut anywhere near a majority because the electorate is as dumb as a bag of rocks.

But as I said previously this bullshit about destroying the LNP to have a brilliant rebirth is just bullshit. 4 years of the liars and filth federally will destroy the private media in this country because they will enact Finkelstein and the damage they will do to the energy industry will be permanent. They will also finish the ADF by mandating lipstick and suspenders. In sort they will be a smaller version of the demorats.

it’s sad to see Bossi has gone nuts. But politics will do that to a pure, rigid minded man.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 12:44 pm

Elvis, the emojis don’t work in this template. If you want to add a little colour and movement, it has to be the old fashioned way.

😀 🙂 😉 🙁 😛

There may be more, but I’m too lazy to test them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 12:44 pm

He makes electoral calls for an unexamined retribution for grievances that extends to violence beyond all laws

Yes.
Apart from the abject puerile stupidity of that, it is repugnant totalitarianism. As KD says, who are “The People” who will sit in judgement? Methinks the judicial panel might consist of Ricardo and his monobrowed sycophantic sidekick.
And, at a time when his erstwhile comrades stand accused of meting out summary justice in Afghanistan, it is providing Three Corners with a pre-election hatchet job on a platter.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 26, 2021 12:50 pm

2. Holding out against it because it is bullshit. Kelly seems to be in this camp, but will Fat Cloive pull the rug if he gets a tickle on his ample tummy with a wad of fifties?

I think current popularity of UAP is based on Kelly’s appeal, not Clive’s. If Clive suddenly decides to pull the rug, that doesn’t necessarily mean the end of UAP. It could be re-branded. With more than 70K supporters now, I’m pretty sure it will be financially viable to continue under Kelly’s leadership only.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 12:51 pm

Elvis, the emojis don’t work in this template.

Damn it!

And now I’ve outed myself as an occasional emoji user. There goes my 2032 run at parliament, fuck you magistrates!

*Breathes deeply*

Oh how the mighty fall on this blog.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 26, 2021 12:55 pm

JC, The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
We have to do different. Step one – destroy out betrayers. The Labor party has not betrayed us. We did not vote for them, and they did not promise to implement the policies we desired. The LNP promised to implement policies and then reneged and furthermore implemented Labor policies. If that does not deserve destruction – what does?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 12:56 pm

Also, the release of his, ahem, truncated phone call has brought out all the negatives.

The thing is calli, saying it has “brought out all the negatives” sounds a little like a bloke punching the living suitcase out of someone and his lawyer describing it as something his client “got caught up in”.
The negatives are all unadulterated, direct quotes from The Great Ricardo himself (both yesterday’s Larry Olivier impression and the ‘red shoes’ conspiracy videos published earlier).
No-one has spun those things to accentuate “the negative”.
They are all his own words.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 1:03 pm

Yea, until big fat Palmer receives oral sex from Al Gore.

JC…it’s not that kind of blog.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 1:03 pm

I agree that Guy is worse than useless, but if he’s less worse-than-useless than Dan (which simply must be the case in any conceivable universe) we need to get him in to give us at least some breathing space to undermine him in favour of someone less bad.
We need to get rid of Maximum Leader

Correct.
A holding pattern is not ideal, but it is better than the spiral dive Maximum Leader has us in right now.
And anyone who thinks UAP and/or PHON and/or the LDP are going to swoop in and take government in Victoria, you are fucking smoking serious hydroponic shit.
Unless, of course, Bosi can execute several hundred Liars-Greens candidates for “political crimes”.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 26, 2021 1:05 pm

JC says:
October 26, 2021 at 10:06 am

If they are the major suppliers they’re also vulnerable to buyers going elsewhere and the Chinese lose their investment.

It’s not a monopoly if the barrier to entry isn’t gated up by the state .

This is all quite true.

The thing about the EU is that they created a quasi monopoly by exporting polluting and/or emission-intensive industries. And gifted it to China – who spread it to the world on the basis of cost.

Consequently the supply of magnesium, aluminium, cement, basic steel, rare earths, fertilisers, and the nastier industrial chemicals is to various extents dangling on Sino-politics and the Wild West Chinese economy.

The cost barriers to fetch all that back any time soon are immense and possibly too hard for most market economies.

A self-inserted pineapple.

Arky
October 26, 2021 1:06 pm

Here’s an idea:
Only vote for men.
Then after the election when they go to put their positive discrimination picks into cabinet, they won’t have any.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 1:08 pm

By “negatives” I meant negative commentary. There will be more to come if ABC starts rootling around in the dungheap. It may have been tactical.

Or it might have been shooting himself in the foot. I look forward to developments.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 1:10 pm

Meanwhile in the Territory:

ALICE Springs recorded a shocking weekend of crime with 340 incidents reported over 72-hours, involving one during which rocks were allegedly thrown at a police dog.

NT Police said three youths aged 14, 15 and 15 were arrested after allegedly running from a stolen vehicle 25km north of Alice Springs along the North Stuart Hwy on Saturday.

Members from the Southern Traffic Unit, drone operations, K9 unit, general duties and Strike Force Viper co-ordinated a plan to stop the vehicle after receiving a report of a fuel drive off from Barrow Creek earlier in the day.

The vehicle was stopped after deployment of a tyre deflation device and the three occupants ran into nearby scrubland.

Two boys aged 15 and 14-years-old were arrested following a foot pursuit involving Police Patrol Dog Fitzy and the third 15-year-old boy evaded police until he was found and arrested in the area an hour later.

“Drone footage captured two youths throwing rocks at Patrol Dog Fitzy during the incident,” the statement read.

Also on Saturday, a second stolen motor vehicle was found on its side and abandoned 150m from Ali Curung.

Two 17-year-old boys wanted to relation to a series of alleged unlawful entries in the Braitling Industrial area earlier on Monday were arrested by members from Strike Force Viper and general duties in the morning.

A third boy wanted in a series of alleged property offences, including the Industrial area unlawful entries, was arrested on Monday afternoon.

Superintendent Tony Deutrom said it was a devastating weekend for police.

“It was a bad weekend with a lot of people either coming home or waking up to their home being unlawfully entered, and their property stolen,” he said.

“It is without a doubt one of the more gut-wrenching feelings to find out you’ve been broken into, and to those victims I am sorry that you’ve experienced that.

“Police continue to work hard to maintain a sense of safety within our community, and this weekend was no different.”

Investigations are ongoing into the 16 unlawful entries, three attempted unlawful entries and eight stolen motor vehicles – all of which have been recovered, which happened during the weekend.

Roger
Roger
October 26, 2021 1:11 pm

So the urban Labor government, will lock up people- their political enemies heartlands if they don’t do exactly as they’re told.

Yep, as I said last night, once the interstate border is opened, Anna the Border Warrior Princess will internalise the issue within QLD. Divide and rule is her sztuka/shtick.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 1:11 pm

And gifted it to China

They turned China into Mordor while they remained in their pristine elf-kingdoms.

Arky
October 26, 2021 1:11 pm

Do this in order of priority:
1. Pick the candidate you personally like.
2. Pick men over women.
3. Pick non- uniparty over uniparty.
4. Non- incumbent over incumbent.
5. If in doubt draw an arse on your ballot.
..
I think your choice is clear if there is a candidate you like who is a bloke in an field entirely of chicks who is a non- incumbent member of a minor party and who has a face like an arse.
You know what to do.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 1:12 pm

JC, The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Sure and the definition of an insane act is pretending that a .0003% chance of say, the LDP forming government at the Federal or State level, is a really good possibility. It reminds me of the movie Dumb and Dumber when the cute gal was asked by one of the idiots if he had a chance with her. She grimaced and responded with one in a million, which made him ecstatic.

We have to do different. Step one – destroy out betrayers.

The betrayers are the Greens and the Liars party and always have been. Imagine the ABC running the country. Imagine that horror show for a second. The libs are just wishy washy.

The Labor party has not betrayed us.

Everyday of their fucking existence betrays us.

We did not vote for them, and they did not promise to implement the policies we desired.

That’s fair.

The LNP promised to implement policies and then reneged and furthermore implemented Labor policies. If that does not deserve destruction – what does?

What did the libs promise and then back out of. I can’t recall any single policy by those fuckheads because they never had any 🙂

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 1:13 pm

A holding pattern is not ideal, but it is better than the spiral dive Maximum Leader has us in right now.

I would suggest the LNP are never in a holding pattern. They’re just the slow cooker to the same ends as the Lab/Green deep fry.

As mentioned above, we need to destroy the enemy but the ones we vote for to do it are the ones in power currently enabling fascist left ideologies. We don’t expect Lab/Green to uphold our values and fight for us, we expect the ‘broad church’ to do it and they fail miserably.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 1:13 pm

I hope Fitzy the Patrol Dog had a chance to throw his teeth at the offending yoofs.

Good boy. Good derg.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 1:13 pm

ALICE Springs recorded a shocking weekend of crime with 340 incidents reported over 72-hours

Pffffft !
Not a patch on Chicago.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 1:15 pm

Anyone else see the final report from the “Select Committee on Australia as a Technology & Financial Centre”.
I love reports that say that existing businesses have to adhere to the non stop onerous regulation, but start ups are effectively exempt from everything.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 1:18 pm

Dr F.

I’m much more optimistic that lots and lots of shit will head out of China. In the present day there will be not a single Fortune 100, Fortune 200 or whatever thinking about setting up shop in China. Moreover, every board of a semi serious company would be demanding the CEO begin to diversity the fuck out and not be reliant on one place… China.

I suspect the way they’re going also fuck over China is through charges/ impost at the dock if it’s considered they’re fucking around with emissions.

Cassie of Sydney
October 26, 2021 1:19 pm

“callisays:
October 26, 2021 at 1:08 pm
By “negatives” I meant negative commentary. There will be more to come if ABC starts rootling around in the dungheap. It may have been tactical.

Or it might have been shooting himself in the foot. I look forward to developments.”

I suspect it was the latter.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 26, 2021 1:20 pm

TaliDans latest ooga booga over vaccination status in hospital is a nice piece of data doctoring.
86% of those in hospital are not fully vaccinated, he crowed on the perch.
The trusted health have pulled the partial vaccination data from the public but you can hazard a guess as to the the number of vaccinated in total.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/7461344/

This early October snap shot is in line with the trends that showed roughly three times the rate of fully vaccinated patients were partially jabbed.
If you take the Dictator’s 86% this means 14% are fully vaccinated and 42% partial. That’s 56% of patients in hospital that have been vaccinated.
You can’t have the unwashed knowing this, it might cause unrest.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 1:22 pm

I hope Fitzy the Patrol Dog had a chance to throw his teeth at the offending yoofs.

“Land sharks” as they are affectionately called in Best Australia.

I love reports that say that existing businesses have to adhere to the non stop onerous regulation, but start ups are effectively exempt from everything.

/ PS-Government Spokesmong
Im getting a clue…
Nope, its gone…

Cassie of Sydney
October 26, 2021 1:22 pm

“Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 26, 2021 at 12:35 pm”

Well said Lizzie.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 26, 2021 1:24 pm

I hope Fitzy the Patrol Dog had a chance to throw his teeth at the offending yoofs.

Had the chance to see a police dog in action a few nights ago, out on the mean streets of New Farm.

We heard a commotion and a dog going off in the street just outside our place. Went out to the sight of a person of no appearance flat out on the ground, with the dog standing front legs on his shoulders and yelling into his ear. The handler was (unnecessarily, I thought) reminding the prostrate guy not to move.

A very good dog.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 1:27 pm

Alec “he has a killers eyes” Baldwin is apparently the only person not responsible..
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/oct/25/alec-baldwin-was-rehearsing-scene-when-gun-went-off-rust-director-says

Alec Baldwin was practising a scene that involved him pointing a gun “towards the camera lens” when it accidentally went off, killing his director of photography, according to a written statement by the film’s director.

The director, Joel Souza, said he heard what “sounded like a whip and then a loud pop”. He said he saw the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins clutch her midriff and stumble backwards. Souza noticed that he himself was bleeding from the right shoulder.

The cameras were not rolling at the time. Baldwin was sitting on a wooden church pew on the set and trying out a scene in which he would “cross-draw” a revolver from its holster. Hutchins and Souza were checking the camera angle.

Moments before the accident, Baldwin was assured he was handling a “cold gun”, Souza told investigators. The film’s armourer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, checked prop weapons, and the assistant director, Dave Halls, rechecked them and handed them to the actors, Souza said. It was Halls who gave Baldwin the gun, police said.

Affidavits released on Sunday night paint a picture of a dysfunctional and feuding set, where five crew members walked out last Thursday just hours before the fatal shooting at Bonanza Creek Ranch in New Mexico. They were unhappy with pay and conditions.

Halls was the subject of an internal complaint on a previous movie, it emerged over the weekend. Maggie Goll, a prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said she had raised concerns about Hall’s conduct on set with the executive producers of Hulu’s Into the Dark TV series in 2019. He has yet to comment.

“This situation is not about Dave Halls … It’s in no way one person’s fault,” Goll said, adding that there were larger issues about the wellbeing of crew that had to be addressed. “It’s a bigger conversation about safety on set and what we are trying to achieve with that culture,” she added.

Further concerns were raised about Halls on Monday, after a producer who communicated with the Associated Press said Hall had been fired from a previous job after a gun went off on a previous film set and wounded a member of the crew. The producer, who asked not to be identified by name, wrote that Halls “was removed from the set immediately”.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 1:28 pm

Can I also make another comment.

The fucking hunchback has absolutely destroyed Victoria in every fucking way possible. He wrecked the judicial system, socially and economically. All said and done, this innumerate c..t has left the state with something close to about $140 billion in debt. And some want to destroy the Liberal party? This is fucking insanity rolled on top of insanity. The Hunchback has to leave office!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 1:29 pm

Replace Alec Baldwin with James Woods and imagine how different the reaction all those involved would have been?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 1:31 pm

The only hope for Victoria is a bunch of LDP’s get into whatever you call your upper house down there & hopefully have the balance of power.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 1:34 pm

More on Victoria. Hairdressers, beauty salons allowed to be open. Regular stores still remain closed. Can anyone understand the sense of this even if it’s until the end of the week.. More please.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Hairdressers, beauty salons allowed to be open. Regular stores still remain closed. Can anyone understand the sense of this even if it’s until the end of the week.

Restaurants open, 20 ppl can eat, drink & make merry sans masks.

Retail closed.

Coz… science.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 1:38 pm

Good to see the Gruinaid, social mother of the nation, is encouraging gambling.

Pop up ad for a new mob when you click on the page.
Leads to this mob
https://www.bluebet.com.au/bounce/r-h-DHcKGg9UimstUYSUn2Nd7ZgqdRLk/signup

I look forward to the ciggie and booze ads soon then?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 1:39 pm

Or it might have been shooting himself in the foot. I look forward to developments.”
….
I suspect it was the latter.

Quite so, Cassie.
It is a very complicated tactical manouvre to act like a completely unhinged buffoon to trap the media into writing unflattering “dirt file” commentary so that … where was this going again?
I think there is a view that Bosi is some sort of brilliant 5G chess strategist.
Well, he reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel. Military Cats (ducks to avoid swipe from JC) can correct me here, but I always thought lieutenant-colonel was disparagingly referred to as a “half-colonel” and the main reason people departed at this rank was that their cards had been marked as “not likely to progress”.
I have met a few at this level in a previous life. Not all were Mensa candidates.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 26, 2021 1:39 pm

I’m much more optimistic that lots and lots of shit will head out of China.

I’m sure of it.
For me the question is how long, and what will happen to supply while the market for the particular commodity straightens out.

It looks like a 10-20 year job, accompanied by commercial guerilla warfare.

Moreover, every board of a semi serious company would be demanding the CEO begin to diversity the fuck out and not be reliant on one place… China.

Again, I’d agree and be pretty sure everyone currently being bent over will be Gandalf-wise with hindsight.

However, these same boards are up to their elbows in the Net Zero fantasy that got their industries stuck to the tar baby in the first place.

Something has to give and that’s the uncertainty. Not going to be a smooth correction – certainly not in Europe.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 1:42 pm

feelthebernsays:

October 26, 2021 at 1:31 pm

The only hope for Victoria is a bunch of LDP’s get into whatever you call your upper house down there & hopefully have the balance of power.

A minor conservative party balance of power might be useful in both houses, but thoughts of an LDP/PHON/UAP majority in the lower house is a crack-pipe dream.
If you want Hunchback out, that means Guy in.
Get yourselves into the real world.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 1:46 pm

PIERS MORGAN: The more we learn about Alec Baldwin’s deadly shooting ‘accident’, the more culpable he looks for being executive producer of a chaotic, dangerous sh*t-show run by amateurish cowboys that made the tragedy an accident waiting to happen

Daily Mail

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 1:47 pm

JCsays:

October 26, 2021 at 1:34 pm

More on Victoria. Hairdressers, beauty salons allowed to be open. Regular stores still remain closed. Can anyone understand the sense of this even if it’s until the end of the week.. More please.

Don’t look for logic.
Look for class warfare.
Anything Dan’s SJW advisors deem to be subversive or bourgeois (church, private golf clubs) cops it, along with sectors which produce vocal critics (gyms, hospitality).

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 1:48 pm

but thoughts of an LDP/PHON/UAP majority in the lower house is a crack-pipe dream.

Thoughts of the WA Nationals becoming the senior partner of the opposition coalition were the same.
Until a complete Kirkiup occurred.

He carefully followed the “keep tacking left” tactic of the Libs for the last 20 years until he was caught between the Greens and labor.

No political party is eternal.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 1:48 pm

Sancho, it’s more that most Army officers reach major, and then stop. The vast majority don’t reach lieutenant-colonel.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 26, 2021 1:50 pm

86% of those in hospital are not fully vaccinated, he crowed on the perch.

The data from other highly vaccinated populations says the implication that the 86% are vax holdouts is somewhere between statistically improbable and bullshit.

Rabz
October 26, 2021 1:51 pm

If anyone is still interested I’ve emailed the submission on the Digital Identity legislation to Dover for posting as a separate thread, due to the length.

If it’s not by up about 4:00pm I’ll post it here.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 2:03 pm

Oh dear oh dear…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10129395/Obama-reveals-Michelle-told-spend-time-Bruce-Springsteen.html

Former President Barack Obama revealed that his wife Michelle told him to spend more time with Bruce Springsteen to reflect on his ‘failings and flaws.’ Obama said during a CBS interview on Monday that as he was getting to know singer-songwriter Bruce Springsteen, his wife said to him, ‘you need to spend more time with Bruce.’ ‘I said, “Well, why is that?”’ Obama recounted. ‘She says, “You know, he understands all his failings and flaws as a man, and you don’t seem to understand as well just exactly how messed up you are.”‘
Obama said he replied: ‘You’re right. No doubt.’


Springsteen and Obama have paired up now to produce a podcast and forthcoming book, ‘Renegades: Born in the USA.’

I think we know which one is cuck/bottom in this relationship.

custard
custard
October 26, 2021 2:05 pm

If it’s not by up about 4:00pm I’ll post it here.

I tried to post earlier Rabz but (possibly due to size) is still in moderation

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 26, 2021 2:11 pm

Dr Faustus says:
October 26, 2021 at 1:50 pm
86% of those in hospital are not fully vaccinated, he crowed on the perch.
The data from other highly vaccinated populations says the implication that the 86% are vax holdouts is somewhere between statistically improbable and bullshit.

65% of current UK Covid patients are fully vaccinated and a few percent partially.
Thus is factual and logical but not handy for coercive collectivists in Victoria.

Rabz
October 26, 2021 2:19 pm

Thanks Custard – hopefully it hasn’t been disappeared by the sorts of imbeciles I was railing against.

Mater
October 26, 2021 2:20 pm

Well, he reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel. Military Cats (ducks to avoid swipe from JC) can correct me here, but I always thought lieutenant-colonel was disparagingly referred to as a “half-colonel” and the main reason people departed at this rank was that their cards had been marked as “not likely to progress”.

Nah Sancho,
Respectfully, way off the mark.

LTCOL is just another step in the Officer ranks. Everyone who progresses goes through it, and it’s not at all different to any other. In fact, many think it’s the most powerful and desirable rank in the military. The last rank at which you directly command soldiers.

All Battalion Commanders are LTCOL in rank, though not all Battalion Commanders get the honour of commanding a Battalion.

There is no side track rank in the Officer Corps, people just stop progressing if they have reached ceiling rank. Time in any particular rank is the best indication of a problem. Each has a minimum requirement before moving up.

custard
custard
October 26, 2021 2:20 pm

Perth #TheirABC radio announcer Russell Woolfe has died. 57. He was double vaxxed but overweight and a smoker.

Mater
October 26, 2021 2:21 pm

All Battalion Commanders are LTCOL in rank, though not all Battalion Commanders LTCOLs get the honour of commanding a Battalion.

Fixed. Apologies.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 2:28 pm

Thanks TE and Mater.
I was searching for maybe some “unfinished business” angle which might explain Bosi’s spectacular jumping of the shark.
Some people just topple over I guess.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 2:28 pm

Pommy swampies are world class. Think<emThe Young Ones turned up to 11.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 2:29 pm

Hmmm.
It was possibly a Brigadier (ret’d) who described someone as “just a half-colonel”.
Supported by some RAAFies.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 26, 2021 2:30 pm

Perth #TheirABC radio announcer Russell Woolfe has died. 57. He was double vaxxed but overweight and a smoker.

Shit. Poor bugger.

One of not many at the ABC who wasn’t a complete numpty. Had some entertaining stories and a reasonable music knowledge.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 2:34 pm

This may have been posted earlier.

Neil Oliver having his say on vaxx passports and government propaganda.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 2:34 pm

Perth #TheirABC radio announcer Russell Woolfe has died. 57. He was double vaxxed but overweight and a smoker.

Seemed like a nice guy. Hadn’t drunk as much Kool Aid as some around the water cooler. Had a young family I understand, which is always sad.

Zipster
Zipster
October 26, 2021 2:39 pm

you need to spend more time with Bruce.’ ‘I said, “Well, why is that?”’ Obama recounted. ‘She says, “You know, he understands all his failings and flaws as a man, and you don’t seem to understand as well just exactly how messed up you are.”‘
Obama said he replied: ‘You’re right. No doubt.’

o’bummer dude

a reader
a reader
October 26, 2021 2:40 pm

Who is Abbie Chatfield and why does news.com.au have a hard on for her opinions all the time?

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 26, 2021 2:42 pm

I dunno what the question was but the answer from Barnaby Joyce was: ‘I believe in the liberty of the individual.’

I wish I had the right emoji.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 26, 2021 2:43 pm

Having a dip of the toe in a new little business sideline.
Its on a national park, low/no impact etc.

However instead of being able to run a small trial etc I have to be tourism accredited.
IE: You have to set up an entire business tructure/insurances etc, before they will tell you if they will approve.

Fuck Australias insane regulations.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 26, 2021 2:45 pm

Supported by some RAAFies.

There’s yer problem.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 26, 2021 2:52 pm

t I always thought lieutenant-colonel was disparagingly referred to as a “half-colonel” a

Half-colonel is what we used to call them, not disparagingly.

ROFL PML watching Karl and the bimbette on Today yesterday when they started calling LtGen Frewin “Lieutenant”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 2:55 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 26, 2021 at 2:45 pm

Supported by some RAAFies.

There’s yer problem.

I know, right?
The pilots were OK.
But the engineers were insufferable.

rickw
rickw
October 26, 2021 2:56 pm

Fuck Australias insane regulations.

You would think Australia was India and Communist China’s mutant love child.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 26, 2021 2:56 pm

The Times view on Afghanistan’s food crisis: Hunger in Kabul
There is a moral duty to extend aid to the country as it scrambles to avoid famine
Monday October 25 2021, 9.00pm BST, The Times

Afghanistan is marching towards starvation. This is a stark warning from the United Nations. The rigours of the winter, as frosts set in and the economy spirals downwards, could claim as many lives as the past two decades of war. Britain, the United States and other allies have withdrawn their last soldiers but cannot, and should not, withdraw their concern for the humanitarian disaster they have left behind.

The Taliban militias forced out the western-backed government in August after a whirlwind province-by-province military campaign. The Afghan national army, partially trained by Britain, fell apart, its weaponry either disarmed or snatched by the insurgents. Donors, fearful that the Taliban would divert any new funds to their own coffers while unravelling the achievements of the past, held back billions of dollars in assistance.

Some damage was down to the chaos of fighting, the corruption of government officials and the effects of climate change, which has inflicted widespread drought. But there was no serious expectation on the part of western leaders that the Taliban was equipped to manage and feed a nation state.

The Taliban, it was assumed, would be overwhelmed by the stubborn mechanics of government, with rising numbers of Covid-19 patients, depleted revenue from cross-border trade, neglected storage of grain, and poor husbandry. All these factors are contributing to a crisis which the World Food Programme estimates will plunge 22.8 million out of a total population of 39 million into acute food insecurity from next month.

The Taliban leadership has admittedly not been altogether paralysed. It has introduced a food-for-work scheme, for which it has signed up some 40,000 men around Kabul and tens of thousands of others around the country. These men will be required to distribute 11,600 tonnes of wheat in Kabul and 55,000 tonnes elsewhere; in return for their efforts they will be paid in wheat. They will also erect catchment containers for snow, thus helping to irrigate the arable land.

There were two outstanding problems after the military withdrawal: first, to prevent the mass migration of panicked Afghan residents to the central Asian neighbourhood and ultimately to Europe; and second, to ensure that disillusioned youths would not join in an Islamic extremist revival either under the aegis of the Taliban or as part of Isis cells in opposition to the Taliban.

Yet neglecting Afghanistan’s humanitarian crisis, indeed watching as it accelerated, serves neither of these aims. At the negotiating table western officials argue that the Taliban should guarantee the education of girls if some aid funds are to be released. Yet girls, fainting from hunger at their desks, are staying at home. Teachers, like most civil servants, have not been paid for five months.

There is an obvious contradiction between dealing diplomatically with the Taliban, which is at the very least an accomplice to terrorism, and reaching an understanding with the Taliban officials who run the country in the interest of heading off famine and misery. It is a humanitarian duty to do the latter, one that could also be defined as a postwar legacy.

At least some frozen funds should now be released to Afghanistan for immediate food relief. That needs to be understood as a geopolitical mission. A vacuum of power invariably attracts the wrong kind of company.

will
will
October 26, 2021 2:58 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 26, 2021 at 1:39 pm
I think there is a view that Bosi is some sort of brilliant 5G chess strategist. Well, he reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel. Military Cats

My experience was that the mediocracy would top out at Major (Sqdr Ldr in the RAAF); the Lt Cols I met were very young and switched on.

rickw
rickw
October 26, 2021 3:01 pm

I think we know which one is cuck/bottom in this relationship.

Bummer has a sense of self preservation, can you imagine the beating Michelle could hand out?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 3:05 pm

Springsteen and Obama have paired up now to produce a podcast and forthcoming book, ‘Renegades: Born in the USA.’

Please no God!

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 3:07 pm

In the Oz:

A senior Victoria Police officer engaged in police misconduct when using a pseudonym on social media to make homophobic and racist comments, the state anti-corruption watchdog has found.

Brett Guerin – former Assistant Commissioner of Professional Standards Command – also used information gleaned from his work with Victoria Police when using the online persona Vernon Demerest to “troll” and “elicit a reaction”.

Independent Broadbased anti-Corruption Commission Commissioner Robert Redlich QC said Mr Guerin trolled on and off the job but his misconduct did not constitute criminal charges, despite his conduct being “offensive and inappropriate”.

“IBAC did not find any evidence that his decision-making as Assistant Commissioner PSC was compromised by any underlying beliefs or views,” said Mr Redlich said in the report.

“However, IBAC found he used racist, homophobic and other offensive language to elicit a reaction to the comments he made while using online pseudonyms.”

Mr Guerin, responsible for overseeing the behaviour of other police officers, resigned from Victoria Police in February 2018.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 26, 2021 3:08 pm

Here’s an idea:
Only vote for men.
Then after the election when they go to put their positive discrimination picks into cabinet, they won’t have any.

That won’t work, think “men with a vagina” for one, man born & raised in a 3rd world shithole who wants to make Australia like the shithole he left for another .

Rabz
October 26, 2021 3:12 pm

Obama revealed that his wife Michelle told him to spend more time with Bruce Springsteen to reflect on his ‘failings and flaws.’

Failings and flaws by the truckload, given they’re both irredeemable imbeciles. That’s a lot of naval gazing.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 26, 2021 3:13 pm

But there was no serious expectation on the part of western leaders that the Taliban was equipped to manage and feed a nation state.

The Taliban were the national government of Afghanistan prior to NATO’s intervention, why should the West be concerned about their mismanagement now?

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Rabz, you’ve obviously seen this posted by Ender, right?

Top Ender says:
October 26, 2021 at 3:05 pm

Springsteen and Obama have paired up now to produce a podcast and forthcoming book, ‘Renegades: Born in the USA.’

Please no God!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 3:15 pm

Spending time with the Wookie would be a major failing No?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 26, 2021 3:17 pm

How do you mismanage Afghanistan? Fuck up the goat census?

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 26, 2021 3:20 pm

will says:
October 26, 2021 at 2:58 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 26, 2021 at 1:39 pm
I think there is a view that Bosi is some sort of brilliant 5G chess strategist. Well, he reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel. Military Cats

My experience was that the mediocracy would top out at Major (Sqdr Ldr in the RAAF); the Lt Cols I met were very young and switched on.

A Battalion Commander in the SAS would be a soldier’s soldier, a cut above a LTCOL who orders the office stationery on Russell Hill.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 3:21 pm

I guess having worked with a few military types over the journey, I don’t default to automatic awestruck-iness at the mention of their previous rank.
Some people transition out of military life easily and some do not.
That could explain our A1 friend.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 26, 2021 3:22 pm

What has Bosi done now?

bespoke
bespoke
October 26, 2021 3:23 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
October 26, 2021 at 11:39 am

So yeah. I will take the piss out of people like this, and with damned good reason

+1 Don’t care how nice they are or who they know, go full nutter thats it for me.

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 3:24 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 26, 2021 at 3:21 pm
I guess having worked with a few military types over the journey, I don’t default to automatic awestruck-iness at the mention of their previous rank.
Some people transition out of military life easily and some do not.
That could explain our A1 friend.

No. He’s there to mess up the votes for minor right wing parties. Like the Aus. Con. Job with Saint Cory Bernardi was.

He knows what he is doing.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 3:27 pm

Certainly, the most prestigious and esteemed science school in the world…. Ummm fucked.

CHICAGO — The Massachusetts Institute of Technology invited the geophysicist Dorian Abbot to give a prestigious public lecture this autumn. He seemed a natural choice, a scientific star who studies climate change and whether planets in distant solar systems might harbor atmospheres conducive to life.
Then a swell of angry resistance arose. Some faculty members and graduate students argued that Dr. Abbot, a professor at the University of Chicago, had created harm by speaking out against aspects of affirmative action and diversity programs. In videos and opinion pieces, Dr. Abbot, who is white, has asserted that such programs treat “people as members of a group rather than as individuals, repeating the mistake that made possible the atrocities of the 20th century.” He said that he favored a diverse pool of applicants selected on merit.
He said that his planned lecture at M.I.T. would have made no mention of his views on affirmative action. But his opponents in the sciences argued he represented an “infuriating,” “inappropriate” and oppressive choice.
On Sept. 30, M.I.T. reversed course. The head of its earth, atmospheric and planetary sciences department called off Dr. Abbot’s lecture, to be delivered to professors, graduate students and the public, including some top Black and Latino high school students.
“Besides freedom of speech, we have the freedom to pick the speaker who best fits our needs,” said Robert van der Hilst, the head of the department at M.I.T. “Words matter and have consequences.”
Ever more fraught arguments over speech and academic freedom on American campuses have moved as a flood tide into the sciences. Biology, physics, math: All have seen fierce debates over courses, hiring and objectivity, and some on the academic left have moved to silence those who disagree on certain questions.
A few fields have purged scientific terms and names seen by some as offensive, and there is a rising call for “citational justice,” arguing that professors and graduate students should seek to cite more Black, Latino, Asian and Native American scholars and in some cases refuse to acknowledge in footnotes the research of those who hold distasteful views. Still the decision by M.I.T., viewed as a high citadel of science in the United States, took aback some prominent scientists. Debate and argumentation, impassioned, even ferocious, is the mother’s milk of science, they said.
“I thought scientists would not get on board with the denial-of-free-speech movement,” said Jerry Coyne, an emeritus professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Chicago. “I was absolutely wrong, 100 percent so.”
Dr. Abbot, 40, spoke of his shock when he was told his speech was canceled. “I truly did not know what to say,” he said in an interview in his Chicago apartment. “We’re not going to do the best science we can if we are constrained ideologically.”

More here:

https://archive.fo/eMoC7#selection-515.0-588.1

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

I guess having worked with a few military types over the journey, I don’t default to automatic awestruck-iness at the mention of their previous rank.

Recruiters & employers want N.C.O.s.
N.C.O.s are able to run things.

Officers* are pretty much unsaleable. They know how to pass on orders they receive.
This is often one helluva blow to the ego of officers.
This is the reason so many of the pointless jobs in the public service are former subalterns.

*with some notable exceptions

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Regards former LTCOL Bosi: We need some people who’re prepared to, without fear, kick sacred cows.
(This is not necessarily an endorsement of his exhibited political direction)

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 26, 2021 3:36 pm

don’t default to automatic awestruck-iness at the mention of their previous rank.

Well after leaving the ARes I worked with a couple of half colonels. One was ex Aviation , the other ex pay Corps, 3 guesses which one insisted on being addressed as Colonel.

Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 3:38 pm

Well after leaving the ARes I worked with a couple of half colonels. One was ex Aviation , the other ex pay Corps, 3 guesses which one insisted on being addressed as Colonel.

Shit. There are least two wrong answers.

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 3:38 pm

Wow, so the story Zip put up yesterday may have legs after all, but they’re very short little legs.

A new annual tax on billionaires’ unrealized capital gains is likely to be included to help pay for the vast social policy and climate package lawmakers hope to finalize this week, senior Democrats said Sunday.

“We probably will have a wealth tax,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said Sunday on CNN, noting that Senate Democrats were still working on their proposal, which isn’t technically a wealth tax but bears a strong resemblance to that idea.

The proposal under consideration from Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) would impose an annual tax on unrealized capital gains on liquid assets held by billionaires, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Sunday on CNN.

“I wouldn’t call that a wealth tax, but it would help get at capital gains, which are an extraordinarily large part of the incomes of the wealthiest individuals and right now escape taxation until they’re realized,” Ms. Yellen said.

The tax is expected to affect people with $1 billion in assets or $100 million in income for three consecutive years, according to a person familiar with the discussions. The idea, for which President Biden recently expressed support after excluding it from his campaign plans and administration agenda, would affect a narrower group of people than the capital-gains changes that have already flopped among congressional Democrats.

A spokeswoman for Ms. Sinema said Friday that she was working with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), who has pushed for an annual tax on the wealthiest Americans’ assets. That wealth tax that Ms. Warren talked about during her presidential campaign would have applied to all assets held by the wealthy. The proposal under consideration, in contrast, would focus on unrealized capital gains and it is expected to include a one-time tax on gains to date. That means a tech-company founder with $5 billion, almost all of which is unrealized gains, would be taxed more heavily than someone who just inherited $5 billion and has no unrealized gains under the tax code.

“I think it’s likely. I’m pushing hard,” Ms. Warren said Sunday on MSNBC of raising taxes on billionaires.

I see one way already you could shuffle around and avoid the tax.

This part.

The tax is expected to affect people with $1 billion in assets or $100 million in income for three consecutive years, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

You avoid the income by either paying less dividend and doing buybacks or buy assets with less divs and again with more buybacks. This should increase shares being bought back bigly I would imagine.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 26, 2021 3:40 pm

Sancho

Some people transition out of military life easily and some do not.
That could explain our A1 friend.

In my time at Russell, I went to many farewells for retiring ADF colleagues, often at MAJ (E) level. Many of them planned to make a go of small business, but they would frequently re-appear in low level clerical jobs at Russell a few months later.

I suspect that the shock of not having the taxpayer dollars to bail out over-enthusiastic investment decisions that did not produce an adequate return was often the catalyst for failure.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 26, 2021 3:47 pm

Dot

Shit. There are least two wrong answers.

Three wrong answers.

1. Neither,
2. Both,
3. the aviator.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Well after leaving the ARes I worked with a couple of half colonels. One was ex Aviation , the other ex pay Corps, 3 guesses which one insisted on being addressed as Colonel.

We had one of those as teacher when I was at school.

When questioned on over-use of “Colonel” would waffle on about how it was the ‘done thing’ to address people by their former rank.

Eventually the Headmaster, greeted loudly one day in public by the “Colonel”, snapped to attention & replied “Private Bloggs reporting, Sir!”

We noticed the use of “Colonel” tapered off after that.

Indolent
Indolent
October 26, 2021 3:53 pm

Another “sudden death” (Russell Woolf)

JC
JC
October 26, 2021 3:54 pm

Lol

I totally, 100% believe him

Climate change is a wake-up call: Xi

Chinese President Xi Jinping has called climate change a ‘wake-up call … to mankind’ in a speech delivered less than a week before the COP26 talks begin in Glasgow.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 3:54 pm

In my time at Russell, I went to many farewells for retiring ADF colleagues, often at MAJ (E) level. Many of them planned to make a go of small business, but they would frequently re-appear in low level clerical jobs at Russell a few months later.

I couldn’t generalise.
Some adapted to the commercial world very well and understood business fundamentals (or at least were keen to learn).
Others wanted to create a replicated military structure in the outside world, and always gravitated towards other ex-service types as a comfy blanket.
I found, unsurprisingly I suppose, pilots were good at assimilating available information and making the best decision they could in the time available.
Engineers, on the other hand, always needed a bit more time, or that extra piece of missing information to make the most inconsequential decision.
Some of them actually loved delay.
It was almost as if they hoped to be posted to another job on a regular basis and leave any fuck ups behind.

Indolent
Indolent
October 26, 2021 3:55 pm
Dot
Dot
October 26, 2021 3:56 pm

Three wrong answers.

1. Neither,
2. Both,
3. the aviator.

The military is hilarious.

Indolent
Indolent
October 26, 2021 3:56 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 4:05 pm

Bosi was right.
4 military choppers flying low over the eastern suburbs just now.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 4:05 pm

Flying low over Cooper Park.
It’s on.

calli
calli
October 26, 2021 4:08 pm

Why fund that research?, asks Candace. Because they can. They are unfettered by empathy or morals or lack of money.

Neil Oliver’s comments that I linked above posed another question – “do they think we are stupid?”.

The answer is quite simple. No, they know we are not stupid.

They know we are powerless.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 26, 2021 4:12 pm

I wonder what Michelle Obama would consider to be a flaw? Well, what are the things she seemed to like about herself, and what are the things she thinks leaders should do.

The pair of them were just so atrocious, though: vain, overbearing, imperious, entitled, pretentious, haughty, and unfeeling.

Zipster
Zipster
October 26, 2021 4:13 pm

“Besides freedom of speech, we have the freedom to pick the speaker who best fits our needs,” said Robert van der Hilst, the head of the department at M.I.T. “Words matter and have consequences.”

and consequences have this thing called blowback. you are going to love it

Zipster
Zipster
October 26, 2021 4:17 pm

China’s Canton Fair wraps up, but exporters lament the lack of foreign buyers

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 26, 2021 4:18 pm

feelthebernsays:

October 26, 2021 at 4:05 pm

Bosi was right.
4 military choppers flying low over the eastern suburbs just now.

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feelthebernsays:

October 26, 2021 at 4:05 pm

Flying low over Cooper Park.
It’s on.

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feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 4:20 pm

Abbot presented his work at Princeton last Friday morning Sydney time.
I watched it.
Even though he’s a scientist, he was hosted by Princeton’s political science school, not their school of science or astronomy which was what his address was on.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 26, 2021 4:21 pm

Unless, of course, Bosi can execute several hundred Liars-Greens candidates for “political crimes”.

Executing those who have deliberately destroyed Australia for ideological reasons looks quite reasonable to me.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 4:21 pm

They looked pretty sleek, the choppers.
Not black hawks or those big navy things.
Straight out of a Bond movie.
Any ideas military Cats?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 26, 2021 4:22 pm

Only four?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

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osmemen?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 26, 2021 4:24 pm

Yes, in a V shape.
3 on the right hand side.
1 on the left hand side of the V (or 2 if you include the one at the front).
If that shape makes any sense.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 26, 2021 4:29 pm

Meanwhile in WA:

…a group of bounty hunters have joined the search for Cleo Smith in the hope of securing the $1 million reward for information that brings the missing four-year-old home.

Daily Tele

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October 26, 2021 4:30 pm

New high-tech helicopters added to NSW Police Force fleet

The Bell 429 light helicopters were officially unveiled at a ceremony at Bankstown Airport in Sydney today, attended by NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet and Police Minister David Elliott.

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