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Am I lucky this morning?
3 down. Australia will probably lose tomorrow. Despite all the bullshit, I still support Australia.
Well spotted Ceres.
At this moment in time, Jasprit Bumrah is playing his 41st Test and is holding a bowling average of 19.94.…
Latest from NYT, 94% counted, Youngkin still ahead by 3.
Goose Springsteen will be so depressed he won’t even be able to write a song about it.
Gossip from Carnarvon.
Chap arrested is an Local Aboriginal bloke, been given a name but wont throw it out here.
Not what I was expecting at all.
Mole
Please don’t encourage him. 🙂
His sister’s pretty cute, no?
Email from Malcolm Roberts –
COVID-19 Vaccination Status (Prevention of Discrimination) Bill 2021
It will go nowhere, of course, but at least someone is trying.
Looks like the Democrats are now counting the coffin votes.
When all the votes are counted, it’s still only 93.1% complete.
The election counts are like a BoM digital thermometer.
As soon as they emit the number that you want, all other numbers can be ignored.
They might be looking under tables.
No doubt.
And if the perp is part of a particular demographic, that person might be keeping their head down.
Interesting that they said they didn’t expect to pay out the $1 meg reward.
Although that could be to provide cover for the informant.
Jack in NJ ahead by 1 with 80% counted. LMAO.
ABC has called Youngkin win. It’s done.
There’s a limit to how many fake ballots you can shove into the ballot box. GOPer wins with 65% of the vote is my estimate.
President Poopy pants is now totally fucked.
NYT called it for Youngkin as well.
When the mouthpiece of the left folds, it’s over.
Voting results from Arlington National Cemetery .. Final figures ! .. LOL!
McAuliffe: 400,000
Youngkin: 0
It’s 12.45am on the US East Coast. I’ll wait for Tucker Carlson to confirm tomorrow that the Stupid Fucking (American) Liberals were too scared of angry voters with pitchforks to cheat their way to victory (again).
What I find interesting is that looking at the NYT map the area around Norfolk, Portsmouth etc are very blue. Given the large USN presence that seems counterintuitive. I will have to ask Mrs D’s uncle (ex USN who served at SACLANT Norfolk) if there are local circumstances that make this so.
Virginia … meet your next Lt Governor. Semper Fi
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDO7xbqXsAEEFRl?format=jpg&name=medium
Armadillo says:
November 3, 2021 at 3:18 pm
Looks like the Democrats are now counting the coffin votes.
Don’t knock it Arma – it’s the Dem’s biggest constituency.
JC,
I say unexpectedly because the only 2 perverts Ive heard of in Carnarvon were both White blokes preying on kids.
One being the swine who had the drug house setup where adults would get zonked while the kids got bonked.
What I find interesting is that looking at the NYT map the area around Norfolk, Portsmouth etc are very blue. Given the large USN presence that seems counterintuitive.
I’m guessing most of the Navy personnel don’t use Norfolk as their nominated address ……
CNN PROJECTION: Republican Glenn Youngkin will defeat Democrat Terry McAuliffe in the Virginia governor’s race, the highest-stakes election of the night https://cnn.it/3jWbWCP
It’s 12.45am on the US East Coast. I’ll wait for Tucker Carlson to confirm tomorrow that the Stupid Fucking (American) Liberals were too scared of angry voters with pitchforks to cheat their way to victory (again).
Might be the detailed logistics of fiddling on an individual state level need a lot more application than the overall Presidential state voting scrutiny ….
Regarding Fairfax County and how elections are stolen, this is both instructive and good for a laugh (skip to ~2min mark if you’re short on time):
How’d you do that, Bob?
Mole
I was just messing around but also hoping the comment wouldn’t trigger a bout of Tourette’s…. as you may know.
🙂
Diogenes, I’m very familiar with that area. There are large low-income blocks in the Norfolk/Portsmoth/Hampton area as well as a very large block of unionized shipyard workers.
Telling folks in crime ridden areas that you are going to defund the police doesn’t play as well as the left thinks it does.
Forcing CRT and alphabet theology into their kids via indoctrination centers while directing that parents will have no say in it really went over like a lead balloon.
Regarding the military, sadly the weeding out of members opposed to the leftist dogma and the forced indoctrination of the remainder means they are not the reliably red voting block they once were.
This is a great post. I’ve been wondering aloud for months why the public heath cabal refuse to talk about absolute risk reduction for vaccination. el gato malo now makes it clear why: properly measuring vaccine efficacy and risk reward:
And when you compare it to the risk of adverse reaction, even worse for vaxxing.
RTWT.
Prime vote counting time.
Quite true. They will generally vote in their home State via absentee ballot.
lets Go Brandon
*air horn*
Everyone go and look at Arky’s most recent post vis-à-vis doctors on the main page.
Post of the year, although comments are closed for some reason.
He said why. He didn’t want us old geriatric reprobates posting horror stories about our various ailments! 😀
Not only is there a real push to have The Bible banned, but the men of science who continue to search & study all that’s created and keep finding that it makes more sense of what The Bible describes of all creation from the beginning, keep being attacked by those still stuck on what bad science got wrong hundreds of years ago in a sad effort to make a liar of God.
Will hebe action or an Abbott.
Irrelevant really, he will never untangle from the Democrat initiated lawfare.
Fox called it for Youngkin about four pm our time and we’ve had the victory speeches.
Let’s hope it sticks.
That Model A donk has busted completely off its engine mounts with eccentric weight in rotation. One counter-example and the argument is shaky; two and its patently garbage.
And I know more than two.
Bloody spellwrecker:
“Will he be a lion or an Abbott”?
This week’s winner, ladies and gentlemen.
Virginia Beach went red by 53.8% to 45.5%. My understanding that it’s popular with USN personnel on long-term postings in the area. The House Hunters programme on 9Life has had a few episodes with Navy personnel looking to buy in Virginia Beach when they’ve been posted to the Norfolk.
Apparently being a vagina decliner or a dick denier is like Hotel california.
You can lick out any time you like, but you can never leave.
The UK must ban ‘conversion therapy’ – even for adults who claim to want it
Jayne Ozanne
In allowing over-18s to give ‘informed consent’ to this abusive practice, the government is pandering to rightwing evangelicals
The new law would still allow adults to freely seek out such therapies. However, we know that it is young adults (aged 18-24) who are vulnerable to significant risk when they leave home and find themselves wooed by fundamentalist religious groups.
So why has the government left this major loophole? I think, sadly, it is for the same reason that it has taken so many years to formulate this legislation: it does not want to offend a small minority of rightwing evangelicals within its party who want to be able to continue these barbaric practices of “praying the gay (and trans) away”.
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Long description of a weird persons quest to not be gay…
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That’s why conversion practices need to be banned outright, with no exceptions.
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Lots of nuance and well thought out arguement there eh?
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It must also take on board their arguments about why “informed consent” for adults cannot be a defence in law when so many people’s health, wellbeing and indeed their very lives are at risk.* That is why we do not allow for consent to female genital mutilation or forced marriage, or even such everyday matters as wearing a seatbelt.
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The chaffinator 9000 made short work of that one… no strawman is safe.
* Ahem: Hundreds of trans people regret changing their gender, says trans activist
Given the corruption of wiki I dont even know if it used to have a schloing or not, if it didnt then its an unfortunate looking lady.
Sick of doctors and chemists, they seem to have no idea of medical or other ethics. They’re happy to inject you with an experimental drug even when they know that you don’t want it and are only doing it under duress. Evidence based medicine has been lost, it won’t be long and they’ll be bleeding us as a cure. Chemists seem to have taken on the role of medical supervisor in what’s left of the doctor/patient relationship and have have the power to cancel a doctors scripts if they feel like it. After my visit to the local ED last Saturday when they made me sit outside in the cold for an hour then treated me on the street, well they can all bang a rat up their arses. Unless an ambulance takes me away I’ll just learn to live and die like my ancestors without medical assistance.
Censorious bastard. I demand free speech!
Free speech to talk about various ailments! If I want to! Any time! All the time! What is this – China?
JUST IN – CDC director Walensky signed off Pfizer’s #COVID19 vaccine for kids ages 5-11. Injections to begin tomorrow.
Response of the brass? She will only see healthy pilots for their regular exams from now on.
The volume of salty leftist tears flowing at MSNBC is almost as gratifying as them taking away all of the wrong lessons from their boy’s loss in Virginia (we need to be MORE progressive!):
Joy Reid, Nicole Wallace and Rachel Maddow indulge in a massive cope session
The Democrat legislative agenda is now DOA. With the Virginia loss and what will (at best) be a near-death experience in NJ, those infrastructure bills are going nowhere.
vaccines seem to be having no effect on covid death rates in israel when compared to low vaxx palestine
This is very curious indeed.
He didn’t want us old geriatric reprobates posting horror stories about our various ailments!
Have I told you about my chancre?
It has its own onlyfans account.
Mmmyes.
Infrastructure.
Paying illegals $450 large and financing more dick-loppers on school councils.
The article I read said that they located him using phone data after identifying a vehicle on the road between the campground and Carnarvon at 3am on the night she was taken. It seems like it was good old dogged police work that got a result.
Well done, those police techs.
Co-miserations. I’ve felt a lot like this lately. Try having anything diagnosed and treated via a telephone consultation with a risk-averse Indian male doctor especially if you are female where there are more things to consider. His solution for everything is to go to Emergency. We did not see eye to eye. The good thing is I have had recourse to a specialist who knows me, listens patiently to my amateur differential diagnosis and who will see and treat me hands on, referring on as necessary. Not everyone is so lucky.
In many ways I would prefer to treat myself, although with medicine as with the law the old saying applies. Self-treatment or self-representation may be the road to perdition. But I’d really like to be able to purchase any medication I feel I require without the heavy hand of the State there to stop me.
On this, Mexico sounds nice.
lol. Don’t get me started, Calli. Must go now and read Arky’s thread.
It took 18 days to analyse data from phone towers in a sparsely populated part of WA?
I don’t think so.
They pulled phone data to nail Adrian Bayley for the murder of Jill Meagher in a matter of a couple of days, from some of the busiest phone networks in the country.
Someone has put him in and they are keeping a lid on that for some reason.
Well, I am logging off now.
I would not be surprised to find, when I log back on tomorrow, that a late rally by means of late votes has handed NJ and Virginia to the democrats.
Not saying it is likely, merely that it would not surprise.
thanks for that dover. Been looking for something similar for quite some time.
Fucking Turdball. What a despicable piece of human excrement. This is the scumbag whose then minister Prissy Pyne signed us up for the experimental $90Billion subs and is now so upset he won’t be wined and dined at the most salubrious French chateaus. Won’t miss a chance to sling shit at the LNP in order to force them towards “greener” pastures where his investments all lie in Panamanian accounts. This traitorous POS should be thrown out like yesterday’s trash. But the Libs are far too gutless for that.
And Macron; stfu you shortarse poseur. In 2 world wars our young men and women shed blood by the thousands to free your pathetic parasitical nation of zero conviction . Have some fkg respect and get your own shit show in order. The French history of fantastic submarines is an empty vessel so we went with proven, effective, potent designs that actually suit our needs. If you want to jerk off Turdball’s crew, d it on your fkg dime.
And that stupid air head Allie on the Today show talking to some drongo in London ” How do you think Scott Morrison feels coming home after that?”. As if Turdball’s approval is the most sought after kudos in Aussie politics. FMFD.
Well, the thread’s read. It’s a great rave, Arky. Mean of you to not have comments.
I am sure most people here could Bore for Victory over the forces of medical oppression.
A great opportunity lost. Now in just retirubtion, Arky, when I write a thread on ‘Hot Tub Sex on Sat’dy Nites’ I will close comments too, and you can simply itch to tell your own tales, but no dice. 😀
Other halfs grandad dropped off the twig yesterday.
97 years old.
Tough old bugger, shame we havent been to see them for 2 years..
It’s certainly good news about Virginia. You wonder what the real republican vote was with all the ‘rat cheating. I was afraid they’d just be able to inject the required number of votes to the their grub over the line.
One thing’s for sure, Trump was dead right about the swamp. Filthy, degenerate parasites. Boy oh boy the US needs a major clean out as Australia does too.
The last five years has really revealed how rotten the political establishment is. From the Saxe-Coburg Tampons to Johnnie hoWARd to Jimmy Carter.
I must learn to type less fast and get it right.
Retribution. Always thinking ahead of meself.
Not enough dead people voting.
Low energy.
Perhaps there just wasn’t enough toner.
Supply chain issues.
Yep. That’s what struck me most in that clip with the journos. He is such a little man.
That was just a display of little punk aggro. Laughable. Terrible optics.
I bet he feels insecure when Morrison’s height and weight towers over him.
It took 18 days to analyse data from phone towers in a sparsely populated part of WA?
I don’t think so.
From bitter experience I can tell you a fairly feral segment of the underclass nave op sec which would put the KGB to shame.
Phone swaps, multiple sims, other peoples sims, sims in fake names…
Fully vaccinated air passenger infected with coronavirus is found dead in his seat after landing at German airport following flight from Turkey
And from Sydney today, four deaths, all vaccinated A slight case of cognitive dissidence?
I don’t really get where he is headed with this.
I mean, he isn’t going to unscramble the AUKUS omelette.
Theoretically it is for domestic French consumption in an election year.
But what message is he sending?
That La Belle France got ravished by an antipodean ruffian and didn’t even see it coming?
Gallic pride won’t find that message easily digestible.
Please. Enough about the Alpacas!
Look, I blockquoted you but Facebook and Twitter would just block you.
And well deserved.
Chuck in another turd, darling, I need to drive to work.
Electric vehicles could be powered by hydrogen harvested from sewage (Phys.org, 2 Nov)
Amazing how much rubbish there is in the science news these days. Not much actual real science, but plenty of potential electric vehicle fuel.
And where is OUR copy of the tradecraft training pam?
Rita reporting now even in NJ, Jack in front by under 700 votes.
Doubtful.
They’re more likely to be defusing it as an issue at the Federal Election.
There’s no votes in it for the Liberal Party, but a lot of downside.
Of course.
Look at the Rones. He’s so excited for what it could mean.
I’ll wager he was prepped by Turdball to have a free shot and arse cover for all the thousands of potential French jobs lost. He is on thin ice there anyway so anything to shore up the pit he is in. But the cynical French will still see him for the twat he is. I think also the Aussie journo asking the question was desperate for some Marxist/Green cred ahead of the climate gas bag.
The problem Macron has is that it was well known that the Naval Group contract was in trouble, yet he never lifted a finger.
Then it got cancelled and he’s screaming that Scotty left him in the dark..
He’ll have more problems if there’s a paper trail linking him to American Defense Contractors.
He’s not going anywhere except attempting to persuade low info voters that Morrison is no good and that the Frog deal was great value. Convincing them, makes the cancerous douchebag look better.
Macron couldn’t life\t a finger because it the technology couldn’t be supported. There was nothing he could do as the nuke subs are simply superior.
Head Case, you were arguing at 180 degs the other side yesterday. Is your point of view dependent on odd vs even date for the day?
Who, Morrison? You now accusing Morrison of potentially be corrupt? No kidding, have you ever been locked up in a padded cell?
The alleged perp is definitely First Nations.
I know, Rones was about to do cart wheels he’s so excited at the prospect. He’s giddy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD1euxkzE9I
Meanwhile, Jenny Morrison will have bragging rights at the next Mothers Union meeting:
“Hey, bitchez, my Scotty kicked the King of France’s arse.”
JC, I am just guessing at how long it might take before the meeja dare to run with “problematic”, “disadvantaged and disenfranchised” and “complicated”.
I know, Sanchez. That’s another story. I’m just having a good time watching the giddy dance routine. 🙂
shatterzzzsays:
November 3, 2021 at 3:43 pm
Voting results from Arlington National Cemetery .. Final figures ! .. LOL!
McAuliffe: 400,000
Youngkin: 0
All those dead Confederates, voting for the DemonRat Party of their virile youth. KKK and lynchings every time.
I have travelled very little since this started. Wasn’t too painful.
Talked with a relative in Queensland today. He went to Brisbane on weekend. Back in last night. Paid a pretty penny for his fares with the frills to be bumped to Jetstar on way down. Then the flight back where the service was average. Flight crew were polite but whole parts of cabin service missing or a shade of former standards. His word forget about flying till they fully open up or book Jet saver or starter fares without the frills.
Not only that another thing stood out, no one wants cash anymore. Trains not taking & even businesses looked irritated in taking it. He’s like me uses cash to avoid card surcharges. Sooner or later I reckon we’ll see more and more shunning cash. Wonder how the tourist industry adapts?
I don’t quite get something about the story of the little girl. I think I read the cops had CCTV footage of a car hightailing it out of the camping area. Why would there be any footage of a camping site on video? Who would take that and why?
Rockdoctor says:
November 3, 2021 at 6:12 pm
Not only that another thing stood out, no one wants cash anymore. Trains not taking & even businesses looked irritated in taking it.
Last time I looked, there is something on those bank notes about being legal tender.
Can anyone enlighten me on a company’s right to refuse legal tender?
Hi, if anyone has a subscription to Lawerly.com, could you please go and check out this article.
The Government is trying to pass a bill that would stop all class actions against the Government, especially from people whose Businesses, livelihoods and health have been destroyed.
JCsays:
November 3, 2021 at 6:14 pm
Somebody has never heard of CCTV.
Anybody want to explain this new invention & what it may be used for, to our naive fellow Catallaxian?
WSJ editorial board gets in on the bastard act.
The Dems will cheat just enough in NJ to ensure they win. Jack 1193 in front (15 mins ago)
The point I was making, you loser was why would there be a CCTV at a fairly remote camp site. I’m not sure if you’re really this stupid or attempting to try and dissemble because of my comments about the Rones.
Driller, are you trying to borrow money from him as your frequent attempts to pick the drunk up off the floor is really becoming more than just stoush trolling. It’s weird stuff. Are you asking him for money?
To be honest, they’d have done that anyway. Even without the undercurrent of Nosferaflu-driven institutional malevolence.
The Key Performance Indicator Is All…
Very unlikely that a remote campsite would have CCTV.
When we stayed in Carnarvon – in a top caravan park – the receptionist was complaining about a recent robbery in the park and no, they didn’t have security cameras.
The smith family were camped well out of town, probably without power, let alone CCTV coverage.
The article just posted by JC from the WSJ shows that the media industrial complex has been told to ramp up the pressure on the Resident. It’s not the first instance but a good example all the same.
Snap, JC.
Delta
That was my point. But did I hear or read it correctly because I think I recall there was something on CCTV 0f a car. Was that right?
Not Rare, Not Safe
From Reignite Democracy Australia
Can’t say, JC. I don’t know the location of the Smiths’ camp.
Might have been Carnarvon CCTV, or someplace en route.
The point you made was you are too stupid to know why CCTV is used.
Or… you’re so disconnected from Australia & normal people, that you either believe the ‘little people’ are too dumb to use CCTV, or are too inept with modern stuff.
(You have a lot more in common with the Democrat, Greens, & ALP than you may think)
Sure, but there’s more sophisticated surveillance tools than CCTV cameras and the cops have got the lot, bill paid for by nus.
My query is why it took 18 days.
Every major street is monitored 24/7, so they musta had a good idea the general location that the girl could be found.
By the way, any chance she is indigenous?
Correction to what I wrote above:
The discovery of Cleo was reportedly a result of police work, not a tip off.
Well done WA police.
I thought a cop said days ago that they were throwing everything into it, even reviewing satellite pictures of the area.
Groogs is on the case. The Head Case. Beware perps.
Is it true the perp was caught after leaving a trail of gypsum dust leading right to his front steps?
No such place exists.
Why would there be any footage of a camping site on video? Who would take that and why?
Theres a couple of semi permanent shacks out there near the campgrounds.
Couple that with the fairly large low level crim element and it is probably from one of them.
There and points further north its not uncommon to have night prowlers trying to go through vans/tents/vehicles looking for anything thats not locked down
From the tourist page.
https://www.carnarvon.org.au/accommodation/southern-ningaloo/point-quobba-blowholes
Some campsites offer direct views of the Point Quobba beach and others nestled between the dunes and shacks. On-site, there is a dump point and rubbish collection. You must bring your own water, food, and general supplies.
JC I remember hearing the same thing, but the CCTV footage was on an intersection some distance away.
They also went through fifty tonnes of garbage. I hope those officers get free laundry!
Well done guys and gals.
Surveillance of illegal dumping is actually the most likely if it was on site.
Otherwise, cameras as one ingresses and egresses to the park and the home of the abductor.
Is this a family law thing? Abuse? Crazy guy wanted a family?
“No relation to the kid”
Okay, so where is the biological father? I heard the stepdaddy was at the camp.
Sadly, they were looking for human remains.
JC, Delta.
The whole thing is suss.
I don’t mean the kidnapping itself.
The narrative around it being a high-tech CSI, CCTV, blinking phone tracking on a huge screen at mission control investigation is suspect.
I reckon neighbours have put him in, but Carnavon probably has five of the 300 nations, so they want to keep the lid on any tribal bunfights.
Online at The Spectator, but if you are paywalled:
Australia needs nuclear submarines now, not later
By Top Ender
In the debate which has ensued since the federal government decided not to continue with the French submarine contract, it has become increasingly apparent the general public is wiser than anyone about what’s best for this country.
The tide of opinion is not only for nuclear, but for nuclear now.
Talk that Australia will get nuclear attack boats in 10 or 20 years is widely seen as ridiculous. Talk that they will be built here is also seen as foolish. We have spent $2.4bn on the French project and got precisely nothing – no plan, and no submarine. What the general public wants is the deterrent of the most effective submarines right away.
That the western Pacific is a potential battlespace is obvious. Obvious too is the fact that a deterrent of nuclear submarines, submerged once they leave port, would be the best bet for this country. This is the right way to bolster a defence force left neglected for far too long.
So what to do? There are two solutions available, and money will solve the problem. Ironically it would be a lot less than the $150 billion the French contract would have cost, only to give us inferior diesel-electric vessels in a decade and more. The answer lies in injecting cash into the production lines of either the Astute or the Virginia hunter-killer submarines being built by Britain and the USA.
These are the best boats to buy. They have a proven pedigree from two of the best navies on the planet. They are both in production now. Defence Minister Dutton – the most decisive defence minister we have had in decades – could and should take the national chequebook over to our allies, and ask nicely for the production lines to be paralleled or speeded up. And we’d like the first one in a year, not a decade.
Which to buy? Both have proven pedigrees, unlike the weird concept of having the French take an existing nuclear submarine, rip the engines out, and instead install diesels and batteries; fuel tanks and snort masts. The Virginias and Astutes are nuclear boats designed to go deep and stay there, and once they leave port not to come up to run engines to recharge batteries – the diesel-electric concept of “snorting” born in World War II. Nuclear vessels stay down, and their deterrence increases by the day as they do, for the enemy does not know where they are, and must guard his ports and his surface vessels accordingly, thus slowly constricting his own operations for fear of sudden attack out of the depths.
A glance at the figures is instructive:
Astute
7,700 tons
Crew: 98
Armament: Torpedo; Torpedo tube launch Tomahawk missiles; Mines
Range and endurance: Unlimited
First built: 2001
Number planned: 7
Number produced: 5
Cost: $2.25b US
Virginia
Size: 11,200 tons
Crew: 35
Armament: Torpedo; Vertical launch Tomahawk missiles; Mines
Range and endurance: Unlimited
First built: 2000
Number planned: 66
Number produced: 19
Cost: $3.45bn US
Given the smaller size of the Astute, and the need for the Royal Australian Navy to transition out of the smaller Collins-class it operates at present, the British option presents attraction there. It’s also less expensive.
However, these days we train and fight more with the Americans. It has been that way since WWII, since both of us have the Pacific as our main interest. Better to have commonality with our main ally.
The British Astutes have been individually produced over around 10 years, from “laying down” a keel to being in the water in service. The Virginias are much faster into ready use, at three or sometimes even two years. Rumours fly thick and fast in this debate, with one arguing the Americans “need” all of their vessels. But with a much bigger US class of 66 under construction as opposed to seven British boats that might be less likely than not. Maybe we could ask for USS Iowa of the present six on the slips – not so much to elbow into the queue as inquire if the speed can be increased to satisfy both US and Australian navies. Then again, an Aussie politician lugging a chest of gold behind him might well speed up a British assembly line.
The idea that defence force build processes are slow isn’t necessarily true, although the build process for the French submarines was laughable. Announced in 2016, not a metre of steel had been cut when they were cancelled five years later. Perhaps the most admirable naval build record of all time was the construction of the mighty HMS Dreadnought, the battleship than revolutionized naval thinking prior to the Great War. Laid down in 1905, only 15 months later this 527 foot 18,000 ton monster was sailing. The British public had demanded “eight, and we won’t wait” – so should we. Other feats of naval engineering show mighty achievements may be made. The Kreigsmarine – the German Navy – of WWII, had 1,156 submarines built through the war years. The US Navy, following the Battle of the Coral Sea, had the aircraft carrier USS Yorktown repaired over several days for the coming fight at Midway – a fix that had been estimated at three months. The Australian public should not be told that we can’t have nuclear submarines quickly.
Although the Virginia is the preferred design, at least for this writer, we should go with whoever can give us nuclear boats the faster. We need to go and ask whichever government – and whichever company – will get us in the sea sooner. For we are in a situation now where we need deterrence if we don’t want to fight. Sun Tsu said the greatest victory is that which requires no battle. Knowing there were two to three Australian nuclear attack submarines possibly lurking off your coast would certainly make an aggressor think in terms of peace. For Tomahawks, the best cruise missile there is, attack targets on the land as well as at sea.
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Top Ender is a military historian. His 2020 book Atomic Salvation has proved the necessity of using the A-Bombs in WWII, and his recent biography of Teddy Sheean VC has received critical acclaim.
Indolent
Do a guest post of the latest challenges to the orthodoxy.
You have done fine work, I need to look at some of those papers.
so they want to keep the lid on any tribal bunfights.
This could also be correct.
So.
If there were maybe a maximum of 100 CCTV cameras en route, and perhaps a dozen phone towers, why did it take three weeks?
Given they knew the timeline of the kidnapping within an hour or two.
Something does not add up.
Mine is “no relation to the child”.
It’s strange how the various Australian governments are ramping up the pressure to get everyone “vaxxed” as soon as possible?
Is the evidence of what these “vaxxines” actually do to people mounting too quickly ?
Some say “experimental” “vaxxines” but they would have been thoroughly tested on the Uighurs in China before getting FDA approval.
I think that’s where they screwed up big-time – the Uighurs would have been a very hardy people – not too many genetic defects would have survived in their population.
Early Uighur deaths from the “vaxxines” would have been very rare – so they would have counted on being able to inject the death shot into a billion or two people before the mass deaths started, by which time it would be too late.
So where do we go to from here? Any ideas?
Sancho Poirot! Zee leetle grey cells, zay werk overtime!
Remember Harambe?
What happened was the parents dropped their kid into the Gorilla enclosure at the zoo, the Silverback too control and snipers ended up icing it to save the kid.
Turned out it was a grift by the parents to shakedown the Zoo for $$$.
Dot says:
November 3, 2021 at 7:01 pm
Is this a family law thing? Abuse? Crazy guy wanted a family?
Dot – I remember reading many years ago about some guy who kidnapped some little kid & then just raised him/her.
Apparently no sex abuse or anything – just wanted his own family but didn’t want to go the normal way.
Brilliant TE
Bolt playing clips of Turdball of old – the man is psychopathic in his hatred.
Crew: 35
Probably needs a 1 in front of that TE. Great article.
With a bit of luck Gough Turnbull will take French citizenship, & that’ll be that, we won’t have to worry about him any more.
IIRC, the biological father lives in Mandurah – cops interviewed him early in the piece, and said he wasn’t a suspect.
by god, yr full of shit
The plan was to convert a Nuclear Sub to Diesel electric.
Not much point cutting steel until the design is worked out.
Need a 1 – yes, typo when I converted the table to text for this blog. Ta.
Crew is 135.
You might say the same of Anthony Albanese, he’s in High Dudgeon over Scotty slighting the King Of France.
So where do we go to from here? Any ideas?
Buying ammo and relocating everything to country Vic as step 1!
Embrace the cleansing and enabling nature of the word “no”.
One fingered salutes are optional.
And 31 minutes ago in the Oz:
US has capacity to supply Aussie nuclear subs, says congressman Joe Courtney
EXCLUSIVE
ADAM CREIGHTON
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT
The chairman of the US congress’s seapower committee has dismissed as “very unfair” concerns American shipyards are too busy to supply nuclear-powered submarines to Australia, arguing extra orders could help lift industrial capacity back towards Cold War levels.
Democrat representative Joe Courtney said he was “very confident there will be capacity when the demand signal is out there”, amid speculation the British, with greater production slack, will end up with the lion’s share of contracts to build at least eight nuclear-powered submarines under the AUKUS security pact.
“If you go back to the 1980s and 1990s, we were building four Attack submarines a year,” Mr Courtney, who is also co-chairman of the Friends of Australia caucus, told The Australian.
“In 2007 the subs workforce here was around 7000; now it’s 18,000.” He added that it was around double that level again during the Cold War.
No, the plan was to convert a nuke sub design to diesel, which in five years they failed to do. A sillier idea I have yet to come across. Only Turnbull could’ve come up with such an abortion.
Okay.
The other it was asserted that electronics not lasting was wasteful
It really isn’t, what I was referring to were the Schkotty and Frenkel effects.
Until we have perfect manufacturing processes, we are a long way off electronics that NEVER get old.
PS
Good luck getting a kid these days an Atari 1200 over a PS5, current XBox or a switch.
Obsolescence also exists because technology GETS BETTER.
Quite so.
I meant to say this to Googlery last evening.
I am prepared to have a crack at JC or ‘bern over financial markets.
Or Mr Dragger about bratwurst preparation techniques.
Or even take on calli over the finer points of needlework.
But I would never, ever be mad enough to attempt to take on Top Ender on his Mastermind special category “naval history”.
That is a big big away game, Googlery.
No need; he’s already an Italian citizen by jus sanguinus courtesy his Italian father, who is curiously absent from his parliamentary citizenship declaration.
TE, how does the Virginia class sub get away with a third of the crew and yet is larger of the two?
The US wouldn’t let us have Nuclear Submarines until 5 minutes ago, so it was always going to be a Diesel Electric.
The plan was to build the Subs in Australia with substantial Technology transfers from France.
Washington didn’t like that idea, so we’re back at Square 1, 16 years after the need to replace the Collins subs was identified.
The Italian leftists are currently getting their fascist jackboots on big time.
Albo would fit right in.
Top Ender, as we seem to have trouble finding enough crew for our subs, it seems that would be less of a problem in the more salubrious crew accommodations on the nuke boats?
Documentation for that Ed?
I’ve always thought the main problem was Oz politics.
Turnbull being the classic example.
Oh, I see what happened.
Top Ender earlier:-
Isn’t the production schedule something of a moot point strategically?
I mean, a quickly delivered Australian boat would be deployed to a theatre which is a high priority for the US, thus relieving a bit of pressure on their fleet.
Who cares if it has “RAN” or “USN” stenciled on the side?
Apart from trans-Pacific squabbles about which boys get their toys first.
I think that is a “Go fuck yourself, Macaroon, you impertinent Frog.”
Absolutely brilliant work by Brendan O’Neil. How I loathe the Saxe-coburg Tampons.
The elites are laughing in our faces
COP26 promises to be a grotesque spectacle of decadence and hypocrisy.
Brendan O’Neill
BRENDAN O’NEILL
CHIEF POLITICAL WRITER
1st November 2021
COP26 is gearing up to be a grotesque spectacle. We are about to witness Versailles levels of extravagance and hypocrisy. The rich, the powerful and the full of puffed-up virtue will gather in Glasgow to pontificate to the rest of us about how much we are harming the planet with all our waste and hubris. They’ll arrive in their private jets to bemoan the scourge of air-industry emissions. They’ll tuck in to five-star meals in between wondering out loud if the little people should eat less meat. They’ll rest their weary, virtuous heads on plump, silk pillows after long days of discussing how to rein in the material aspirations of the masses. It promises to be one of most nauseating displays of oligarchical conceit of recent times.
It feels like the elites are just laughing in our faces now. So the other day we had the UK’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, saying everyone will have to eat less meat and fly less if we are going to get a handle on this climate-change thing. A little later it was reported that around 400 private jets will fly into COP26, carrying world leaders and big-business execs to the plush surrounds in which they’ll wring their manicured hands over mankind’s carbon crimes. Ordinary people are guilt-tripped for taking one poxy flight a year to escape the trials and vagaries of life in capitalist society for a couple of weeks, while those who quaff champagne on airplanes that it costs $10,000 an hour to hire out get to pose as hyper-aware defenders of poor Mother Nature.
According to one report, the private jets landing in Glasgow will spew out around 13,000 tonnes of carbon. That’s the same amount of CO2 that 1,600 Scots get through in a year. ‘Get tae fuck’ will be a perfectly reasonable response to these wealthy jet-setters telling Scots, or anyone else for that matter, to fly less, drive less and eat less. John Kerry, Joe Biden’s climate envoy, will be in Glasgow to pull pained faces for the cameras over the possible heat death of the planet. Three months ago he flew in a private jet to Martha’s Vineyard for Barack Obama’s lavish 60th-birthday celebrations. It was the 16th private-jet jaunt his family had taken this year. Prince Charles, from one of his palaces, says COP26 is the ‘last-chance saloon’ for the planet. The royal family has collectively flown enough air miles over the past five years to get to the Moon and back. And then around the Earth’s equator three times. In short: 545,161 miles. Reader, they’re taking the piss.
Then there’s all the cars. Driving is viewed by greens, and by eco-virtuous political leaders like Sadiq Khan, as one of the stupidest, most Gaia-destroying activities indulged in by the plebs. The Home Counties irritants of Insulate Britain have been winning plaudits from the commentariat over the past few weeks for blocking the paths of such terrible eco-criminals as mums driving their kids to school and deliverymen trying to deliver food and other essentials. And yet there’s Joe Biden in Rome for the G20 being whisked around in an 85-car convoy. His own armoured limousine, and its decoy version, generates 8.75 pounds of carbon per mile driven – 10 times more than normal cars. And greens want us to feel angry about the working-class bloke driving an HGV full of groceries and fuel? It’s insane.
When he’s done with Rome, Biden will fly to Glasgow in Air Force One. Four jets will accompany him. Combined, they’ll emit an estimated 2.16million pounds of carbon over five days. This is getting ridiculous. People will be perfectly within their rights over the next few days to ask why it is that those who live in the lap of luxury, who jet to every corner of the globe, who experience more luxury in a week than most of us can expect in a decade, should get to hold forth on humanity’s alleged suffocation of the planet with carbon and pollution. Like Joanna Lumley, famed, well-paid traveller of the planet, saying travel should be rationed. Or Dame Emma Thompson literally flying first-class from LA to London to take part in an Extinction Rebellion protest about the evils of CO2. Or Harry and Meghan attending a concert focusing on the ‘urgent need’ for climate action and then leaving on a private jet. What the green oligarchy lacks in moral consistency it more than makes up for with brass neck.
Here’s the thing, though – it’s always been like this. For years now, it has been clear that the environmentalist movement is fundamentally a wealthy man’s game, made up of people who live luxurious lives bemoaning the destructive habits of the masses. Who can forget when David de Rothschild – yep, he’s from the banking family – wrote the Global Warming Survival Handbook that contained wonderful nuggets of advice like ‘Wear a jumper’ (so you can turn off the heating in your home) and ‘Grow your own tomatoes’ (so you can shop less)? Or when George Monbiot – Stowe, Brasenose College, descendant of cake-and-tea millionaires – chirped that environmentalism is a ‘campaign not for abundance but for austerity’? Or when the plummy activists of Plane Stupid called for a ban on cheap flights because all they do is allow oiks to jet off to ‘Eastern European destinations chosen not for their architecture or culture but because people can fly there for 99p and get loaded for a tenner’?
It’s been clear for years now that the green movement is a neo-aristocracy that draws its loudest voices from the old aristocracy and also from the middle-class managerial elites and the new technocratic establishment. This is a movement that allows the descendants of incredibly wealthy banking families to tell the rest of us to wear a cardie rather than turn on the central heating and which invites literal princes to make sad faces about all the flying and meat-eating the oiks are engaging in. I said it was a modern version of Versailles, but actually it’s worse than that. At least daft bint Marie Antoinette wanted the lower orders to eat cake (she just didn’t realise they didn’t have any). This new lot actively campaigns against the consumption of the 21st-century equivalent of cake – meat, heat, easy travel. ‘Don’t let them eat cake’ is the cry of the eco-aristocrat.
The issue here is not the hypocrisy, though that no doubt abounds. It’s the fact that environmentalism is now the core ideology of the new ruling class. The greening of the elites has been one of the most extraordinary developments of the past two decades. Across the West, green thinking has been embraced by virtually every wing of the establishment, from the political elites to the media class, from the educational realm to the world of popular culture.
And it isn’t hard to see why. It’s the perfect ideology for our at-sea elites. It allows them to magic up a sense of urgent moral purpose – they’re saving the planet, no less! It lends itself beautifully, or, rather, terrifyingly, to the project of social engineering: lower your horizons, learn to live with less, reconceive of yourself as a destructive creature in need of top-down control rather than a creative being who might help to push humanity forward. It naturalises the limitations of capitalism, encouraging people to make their peace with austerity and downturn on the basis that economic growth is a bad, nature-exploiting idea. And it is a very difficult ideology to challenge. The marshalling of The Science to buoy up this ruling-class ideology means that anyone who questions it – anyone who demands more growth, more ambition, a bigger human footprint – can swiftly be written off as an anti-scientific scourge, as a ‘denier’ of the revealed truths of climatology. Its social engineering, its social control and its strict, censorious management of social aspirations are what make the green ideology so attractive to the new elites.
COP26 will help to consolidate this neo-aristocracy. And, bizarrely, the left will cheer it on. The left once said: ‘We do not preach a gospel of want and scarcity, but of abundance… We do not call for a limitation of births, for penurious thrift, and self-denial. We call for a great production that will supply all, and more than all the people can consume.’ (Sylvia Pankhurst.) Now it pleads with the super-rich to come up with more and more creative ideas for how to rein in the filthy habits and material dreams of the masses. What a disaster. It isn’t climate change that poses the largest threat to humanity in the early 21st century. It’s the bourgeoisie’s loss of faith in its historic project, and its arrogant generalisation of that loss of faith into a new ‘green’ ideology we must all bow down before. A revolt against environmentalism is arguably the most necessary cause of our age. Who’s in?
Ask Top Ender if that’s true or not.
Good luck!
Okay, you were wrong.
If you truly believe the tripe you post, Grigory, then I have an undersea cable I would like to sell you.
Ex-Sea of Otkhosk. Historic value, and in very good overall condition.
Only been cut twice…
Sea of Okhotsk
Typo.
Technology that no longer matched the altered strategic environment, which will require our subs to patrole the South China Sea and likely the Indian ocean in concert with our anglophone allies.
To persist with diesel subs would have been…a mistake of Turnbullian proportions.
No, Grigory.
That wee beige jobby poking up from behind the S-bend is your wee beige jobby and yours alone…
Haha. I take that to be an abject surrender.
Trump would’ve fallen over himself to offer Virginias. It’s quite amazing that Biden-the-Sinophile has been positive, which I ascribe to the profit motive of the military industrial complex lobbyist industry (plus some good vibes courtesy of Austal).
It’s quite amazing that Biden-the-Sinophile has been positive, which I ascribe to the profit motive of the military industrial complex lobbyist industry (plus some good vibes courtesy of Austal).
Presumably there was no “10% for the big guy” in the French deal.
Say…whatever happened to Louis XVI?
‘Ed Case
Okay, you were wrong.
Perhaps you could support that bland assertion with some direct evidence?
Bruce:
The U.S. position has always been, up until 5 minutes ago, that Australia wasn’t getting Nuclear Submarines or the technology to build such.
Presumably that was the position of the United Kingdom and also the position of France.
While Australian Submariners have spent time on U.S. Nuclear subs, they’ve never been allowed into the Nuclear Propulsion Compartment.
Now there’s been an almighty backflip and we can have the Nuke Subs after all.
In about 20 or 30 years.
Presumably that was the position of the United Kingdom and also the position of France.
English translation: the request for evidence is not going to be fulfilled.
@Farmer Gez
Totally agree.
Tamie Fraser nee Beggs was/is a class above Malcolm Fraser.
Unfortunate ‘accident’ with a bladed tool of some sort, I think.
I blame the intelligentsia and their utter lack of concern for his safety, or theirs…
So between the Radiation risks and the fact that no RAN Machinist or Engineering Officer has ever been historically trained as a Nuclear Engineer in their time in the Fleet, Grigory has deduced a conspiracy.
I miss his bullshitting about the lack of mutton…
Top Ender says:
November 3, 2021 at 7:16 pm
Australia needs nuclear submarines now, not later
By Top Ender
Thank you for ‘penning’ that TE.
Hopefully Dutton can get it done.
I liked Tamie too. Too good for him.
I miss his bullshitting about the lack of mutton…
Dearth, dammit! Dearth!
Dearth of Mutton…
I would have thought AUKUS would have been a deal that was years in the making. Careful consideration about ramifications and such?
And now we will continue The Ed Case’s Greatest Hits Roadshow with another rendition of his soulful Adele cover, Rolling In The Derp…
No.
France wouldn’t sell us Nuclear Subs, remember?
Neither would any other country.
Because:
The United States didn’t want Australia to have Nuclear Submarines.
It doesn’t seem to me that it would be a deal that would be just “yeah guys, let’s just give the Australians our nuclear sub technology”. It would have taken a lot of time through National Security Committees and all the rest of it.
Biden’s only been there 10 months.
Why the French and Malcolm Fraser/Turnbull would want Australia to have diesel powered submarines at the same time the French and Malcolm Fraser/Turnbull are telling the world that diesel will kill us because climate change???
Fuck Off
… Followed up by Gypsum Woman and his experimental foray into hip-hop with It’s Mutton Chop In Here!
Later, Whiiiite Suuuuub.
Pigs that’s because French Socialist CO2 is good and Anglo private enterprise CO2 is bad.
And now from the Ed Case Collection:
Clutching At Straws
Watching the Virginia election commentary today (from both sides). Wow, the left is in an absolute mess trying to rationalise WTF just happened.
Bons was right in stating that there was nothing that made sense about the Trumble-Pissie Crime subs. The old technology, the ridiculous timelines. The only rational seemed to be long term grifting opportunities.
Ed, why are you fixated on your idea the US didn’t/doesn’t want us to have nuclears?
They co-operated with the RN in the 1960s, against the Soviet threat.
Now why would they not co-operate against the new threat of China?
I commanded a US unit in the Iraq war in 2006. By that I meant, they let me lead an intel outfit in a war. I was wearing Aussie uniform and body armour and such; my people were wearing US gear. However I was their CO, and not in a symbolic way either.
My “embedded” situation was not unusual. I was one of a chain of people in that position: Aussie commanders of US forces. There were similar examples all over the theatre. It was a case of making the Coalition work, when nation A had said we’ll supply 20 left-handed widgets, and nation b the box for them – and so on.
If they had this level of interoperability with us then, why not now?
Any particularly good highlights? 🙂
Neither would any other country.
Did we ask?
Because the Grigsock has not yet upset and irritated everyone enough yet over the matter. Remember the last time you smacked him clean off the canvas about HMAS Sydney (II)? It took another 3 days or more of high-intensity mockery and judiciously-prescribed kickings before he finally gave in.
Kick the troll until it goes quiet, and then remind him of all his past failures whenever he tries it on again.
He only just got off the Mutton kick and l’Iz all a cunspirazzy to kills uff all da sheepz and beefzez!’
@miltonf
Not forgetting the near useless and abandoned French desalination plants littered around Australia.
I think Australia should declare war on France.
Timothy:
Ask Top Ender if it’s true the United States wouldn’t sell us Nuclear Submarines.
Until 5 minutes ago.
Good luck!
What’s the casus belli?
We all wanna see Red Bandanaman get suckerpunched again? 😀
No, Gypsum-snorter.
That’s your bullshit. Not his.
That it was a plank of leftwit certainty of Australian governments of all types for the longest time to turn up their noses at man-made sunlight for the longest time, is a fact you chose to wilfully ignore.
Unlike you, we are not stupid…
I’m also trying to understand why the hell a country with optional voting needs to mail out massive amounts of ballots to anyone. Apparently Biden is the most popular President in American history with 81 million votes, and Trump got 70 million odd.
That’s only half the population that actually gave a rats arse about bothering casting a ballot at all.
In Australia (where it’s compulsory and you risk a fine for NOT voting), you are generally thinking up a reason to “get out of it”.
Living in a nursing home, underprivileged, lack of transport would be top of the list. It beats having to show up and getting your name ticked off to avoid a fine.
Stupid and Evil in Equal Measures – Mass containment as conspiracy and as emergent phenomenon:
RTWT.
That was the contract we thought we agreed to. 90% of the work was supposed to be done in Aus, 2020, the Frogs unilaterally dropped that to 60%, and until the contract was cancelled they were trying to cut even that. Given we already know about welding, diseasals ,batteries, and the combat systems will be US supplied, what technologies would have been transferred ?
The “discussion” is about Nuclear Submarines and the United States refusal to sell the things to us.
The libs only have themselves to blame. Turdball should be expelled immediately and any government sinecure cancelled. The frog bastards should also be expelled. They left in a huff at the beginning of the sub shit-storm and have come back to bad mouth our elected PM. Fuck ’em.
Good job by the way.
All Australians should be proud of your service.
‘Ed Case
No.
France wouldn’t sell us Nuclear Subs, remember?
No, Turdball and Pahn didn’t want nuclear. They claimed that the water temperatures differed between where the US operated and Australian waters. They assured us that nuclear boats were not suitable for us. Remember?
All of them.
Thanks to dover for an earlier link on vaccine absolute risk reduction.
The author of that has some fascinating stuff.
Check out his expose on Peter Daszak: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/peter-daszak-supervillain-origin
Ed: France wouldn’t sell us Nuclear Subs, remember?
Neither would any other country.
Me: Did we ask?
Ed: Timothy:
Ask Top Ender if it’s true the United States wouldn’t sell us Nuclear Submarines.
Until 5 minutes ago.
Good luck!
Somehow that doesn’t seem to answer the question….
No, that’s you desperately trying to backpedal your way onto the cliff you ran off, Wile E. Coyote style 3 days ago.
Fuck off and eat your mutton. If you can find any…
Is that so? You know what, Ed, I have never seen a single document which says that. Not one. Maybe TE could help out. On the other hand local Oz politics have been toxic to the idea since the days of the NDP. Indeed the ANZUS alliance collapsed because of this issue, and not from the US end.
Perhaps you could give a basis for your categorical statement Ed. I’m all ears, as it where.
Mr Panzer, earlier:
I have some ideas on why, all taken from giving intense scrutiny to Season Seven of Blue Heelers, featuring TJ the CIB bloke:
1. Two of the three weeks would have been spent by Detective Sergeants and Senior Sergeants telling the brass in Perth to get their filthy noses out of their job. The brass are not on the ground, haven’t been outside in 20 years and most of them got there via the back staircase so wouldn’t know what to do with a crook in any event.
You cannot do this remotely. Throwing stupid and untenable ideas around from 3000ish km away is not helpful.
2. There would have been requirements to provide briefing notes to Perth every hour at first, then two hours, then four and then six. This is so the brass can brief government departments like (generically) Indig and Family Services, so those clowns can get ahead of the game if it looks like yet another gigantic fuck up on their part.
Look at who delivered the presser. The acting Chieffa Po-lice. Not the lead detective or anyone like him. The reason is that those blokes have still got their arse in the air with a ton of work to do, because they still have to negate about twenty anticipated lines of defence the crook will use two years from now at trial.
Allegedly.
TBC
Mail out ballots in a country without compulsory voting is the biggest election rort imaginable.
More convoluted and foolproof ways for Defence Department bugmen to blag all-expenses-paid holidays in southern France…
they didn’t keep punching bandana man.
ffs.