Open Thread – Tues 22 Feb 2022


The Choice of Hercules, Annibale Carracci, 1596

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Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 6:30 pm

A semi-professional Aussie rules player has been suspended for two weeks for taking a sip of a fan’s beer.

Dude, where’s my country!?

Winston Smith
February 24, 2022 6:30 pm

Dot:

What an abysmal and fake duty of care they are trying to introduce here.

That was the point I tried to make when ‘Patient Care Plans’ and other ‘Protocols’ were being introduced into the nursing game in the 80’s.
We, like the coppers above, were being locked into a system that gave bureaucrats in the health system carte blanche to deny responsibility to the medical and nursing staff if the shit hit the fan.
We are now reaping the rewards of the system being our masters and not our servants, throughout our entire society.

Delta A
Delta A
February 24, 2022 6:31 pm

Sweet Granddaughter just demonstrated the kata she is practising towards her brown belt. It went something like this (with the relevant actions):

Neck, neck, eye, genitals, rip, eye, eye…

Genitals, rrrip?

Best Man’s eyes are still watering.

johanna
johanna
February 24, 2022 6:32 pm

rickw says:
February 24, 2022 at 6:19 pm

On train, what the fuck is wrong with people? Most still wearing masks!

It’s over you fucking Mongs!

Went to the mall this arvo and there are still people QR checking in! It is two weeks since that was discontinued.

I suppose that rituals give some people comfort against their anxieties.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 24, 2022 6:32 pm

many actual Ukrainians in the western part who

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 6:32 pm

Rex Angersays:

February 24, 2022 at 6:12 pm

Razeysays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:07 pm
I hope Russia invades every vax mandating country.

Including their own?

Oh.
That’s awkward.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 6:33 pm

Could we have a reminder of the aggressive Canadian finance minister announcing her hunt down and closing of personal bank accounts and then the time it took to unfreeze said accounts.

Looks like Sturmfuerher Freeland has abjectly backflipped on that too.

This aggregation of tweets on Instapundit is worth a perusal. Includes this one:

Tom Marazzo @TomM71190988
My bank accounts have been unfrozen, now that the EA is over.
Tomorrow I’ll close all of my BMO accounts after withdrawing my money.
10:58 AM · Feb 24, 2022

Mr Marazzo looks to be one of the trucker organizers from a brief DDG search.

Zatara
Zatara
February 24, 2022 6:36 pm

So why are they all part of NATO now?

Because they were tired of Russia inviting themselves back every decade or so to remind them whose vassals they were?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 6:36 pm

Oops, meant to link Mr Marazzo’s tweet so you can check him out for yourself. Odd that putting in ‘Tom Marazzo twitter’ into DDG (which uses MS Bing) gets no hits unless you force it by putting in the actual TomM71190988 tag.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 6:36 pm

Guess this means no more russian vodka?

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 24, 2022 6:37 pm

Back on my European gas hub screen.
Some of the German hubs are now starting to not flash, more like a throbbing red.
This is not part of Bloomberg I’m entirely familiar with.
But I’m pretty sure a throbbing red icon when it comes to gas hubs isn’t a good thing.
I’m not saying it’s like Die Hard 4.0.
But I wouldn’t want to be short energy in Europe at the moment.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 24, 2022 6:38 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:06 pm
On Putin vs Tony Abbott, i’ve today been informed that Judo guys like The Pute are always training and they learn to box anyway, so Tony beating up Vlad over the Ukies shooting down MH17, as well as being preposterous, isn’t a realistic outcome.

As KGB he wouldn’t have done boxing but Systema. Those chubby Russian guys look flabby but are hard underneath, very hard. Judo and jujitsu are very hard on your body. Most exponents of other martial arts don’t usually go to Judo as they don’t like the closeness or the hardness. I was doing MMA before it was a thing by about 25 years.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 24, 2022 6:38 pm

War in Ukraine.
Wheat, barley and oilseed prices spike up worldwide.
Canola could hit the $1,000 tonne level and here’s me with the crop unsold.
Mercenaries don’t necessarily carry guns.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 6:38 pm

Choo choo man, who shot down MH17? also show evidence please.

All there on the page. Facts sorted, despite every pro-Left, pro-Russian and other edit that can be applied.

And here it is on Infogalactic.

Plus the Nuff-Nuff friendly edit that claims it was actually MH370 that was shot down over the Ukraine for you and your fellow crayon-snorters and COBRA-Catastropharians.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 6:39 pm
srr
srr
February 24, 2022 6:40 pm

Notice, the more hours provided of what happened on the ground, live, the more the propagandists repeat the bullshit that everyone has to repeat or get branded ‘evil’.

It’s old and tired.

cohenite
February 24, 2022 6:40 pm

If only we had a smart government which could mobilise our mineral and agricultural and energy advantages at this time.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 6:42 pm

Guess this means no more russian vodka?

So does this mean Anna Kournikova isn’t coming?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 24, 2022 6:43 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
February 24, 2022 at 5:12 pm
he gave cpr for 40 minutes waiting for ambulance to come from 2 street away. She died.

And that was from their base. He could have carried her there quicker.

cohenite
February 24, 2022 6:45 pm
Zatara
Zatara
February 24, 2022 6:46 pm

Why did Trudeau suddenly walk back the Emergencies Act?

I was just listening to a Canadian economist on a talk show strongly opine that it was because the run on the banks when the whole account freezing fiasco was announced was freaking huge and scared the living hell out of them (the banks and the govt).

From what he said the money isn’t exactly flooding back into their coffers either. It’s going to take a while to rebuild trust and much of that money is never coming back.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 6:46 pm

Farmer Gezsays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:38 pm
War in Ukraine.
Wheat, barley and oilseed prices spike up worldwide.
Canola could hit the $1,000 tonne level and here’s me with the crop unsold.
Mercenaries don’t necessarily carry guns.

If your oil content is over the usual 43% benchmark and you have clean, dry seed that hasn’t sprouted, you could make a killing. Crushing plants have a lot of trash right now.

Roll up for 1200 AUD/tonne cash prices???

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
February 24, 2022 6:46 pm

But Putin can still offset his military’s carbon emissions with his credits surely?

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 6:48 pm

cohenitesays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:40 pm
If only we had a smart government which could mobilise our mineral and agricultural and energy advantages at this time.

You’d be living in America, early 2018.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 6:52 pm

‘Spur of the moment’ war is acceptable?

P
P
February 24, 2022 6:52 pm

Early this evening has been newcatallaxy at its best.

May it continue.

Winston Smith
February 24, 2022 6:53 pm

ZK2A:

Max Hastings makes that point in his book “Das Reich”, on the various atrocities committed by the S.S. Panzer division on their way to the landing grounds of D-Day in June 1944 – captured Resistance fighters had no rights under the Geneva Convention.

Which is quite correct. The Geneva Convention gives no rights to people who dress as civilians and kill enemy soldiers.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, ZK2A. Especially when you target SS units rushing to to Normandy to repel an invasion.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 6:54 pm

Back on my European gas hub screen.
Some of the German hubs are now starting to not flash, more like a throbbing red.
This is not part of Bloomberg I’m entirely familiar with.
But I’m pretty sure a throbbing red icon when it comes to gas hubs isn’t a good thing.
I’m not saying it’s like Die Hard 4.0.
But I wouldn’t want to be short energy in Europe at the moment.

Is a Bloomberg like a Dirty Sanchez? It all sounds sick and sexual, you traders are rutting gimps.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 24, 2022 6:54 pm

From what he said the money isn’t exactly flooding back into their coffers either. It’s going to take a while to rebuild trust and much of that money is never coming back.

What’s to stop Trudeau making cash payments over $10 illegal.
India did it a few years ago.
I think that’s where this is going.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 6:54 pm

rosiesays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:52 pm
‘Spur of the moment’ war is acceptable?

Nahh, its like when we were kids. You’re walking into it! You’re walking into it!

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 24, 2022 6:56 pm

Rod Marsh is going on 75, but was he up to date with his Vaccines?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 24, 2022 6:59 pm

If your oil content is over the usual 43% benchmark and you have clean, dry seed that hasn’t sprouted, you could make a killing. Crushing plants have a lot of trash right now.

45% and perfect.
make a killing
I won’t be using that term for a war windfall if you don’t mind Dot.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 6:59 pm

‘Spur of the moment’ war is acceptable?

Crime[a] of Passion, methinks…

#SomebodySlapThatMan

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:01 pm

It’s going to take a while to rebuild trust and much of that money is never coming back.

I don’t know if it’s apocryphal, but I read soemwhere that “bank run” was trending on Google in Canada after the freeze was announced.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 7:02 pm

All very well Winston.
You don’t think French resistance fighters had any moral grounds to take up arms against the German invaders?
The Geneva Convention had nothing to say about Nazi reprisals against the villagers of Ordadour-sur-Glane either I suppose.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:04 pm

Looking through Twitter and people talking about the fight for ‘liberal democracy’. People, please. Learn from the last 20 years at the very least.

See upthread, dover.

Western elites, including the media, are the last ones who’ll realise what’s happening to their “liberal democracy”.

It’s the old saying, whenever there’s a revolution about to happen, there’s always someone hosting a tea party.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 24, 2022 7:05 pm

Bolt.
Russia Russia Russia!
China China China!
Axis of evil.
Nazi reference.
Get this Dutchman a gun and a parachute.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 7:05 pm

Has there been a little civil war going on on Eastern Ukraine with some incursions into Russia for many years, as per the Washington Post article or did Putin just make that up?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 7:06 pm

Choo choo man, who shot down MH17? also show evidence please.

Runnybum – all that is very well known by Cats. It was a Buk unit from Russia in LGM drag, with a colonel who was caught on phone actually ordering the shot then going oh shit afterwards. Whereupon they skedaddled back over the border.

MH17 crash: Russian general accused of authorising transfer of missile that downed passenger jet (Apr 2020)

That’s one of the first hits I get. It has many of the essentials. It doesn’t mention that 3 days before the same unit or one like it shot down a Ukrainian Airforce transport jet at a similar height. So it was a case of mistaken identity. Not the Russians thought they were definitely Russia air defense troops “on holiday” so the reporting went at the time. Weird how you are allowed to take your Buk rocket launcher with you on your holidays.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:06 pm

Scummo just gave a speech!

“We shall vax in Ukraine, we shall vax on the seas and oceans, we shall vax with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island from the Kung Flu, whatever the cost may be, we shall vax on the beaches, we shall vax on the landing grounds, we shall vax in the fields and in the streets, we shall vax in the hills; we shall never stop vaxing!”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 7:07 pm

“Not the Russians thought” should be “Not the Russians though,”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 24, 2022 7:08 pm

War in Ukraine.
Wheat, barley and oilseed prices spike up worldwide.
Canola could hit the $1,000 tonne level and here’s me with the crop unsold.
Mercenaries don’t necessarily carry guns.

There’s nothing mercenary about it – there were all those years when the price of grain barely covered the cost of production, and all the howler monkeys thought it immoral that you shoild make a profit out of providing the food that fed them and their useless offspring.

miltonf
miltonf
February 24, 2022 7:09 pm

What has happened to the NT?

canbra pubes and lezos

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:12 pm

Russia has liberated Ukraine from globalist occupation today. Great day for Ukraine and freedom!

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 24, 2022 7:12 pm

You don’t think French resistance fighters had any moral grounds to take up arms against the German invaders?

The French Resistance were all communists, Sancho.
As a matter of fact, quite a few of them were hiding out from Franco, who was keen to have a quiet word with them over atrocities committed against Priests and Nuns during the Civil War.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 24, 2022 7:12 pm

Bloomberg is awesome for doing data extracts that you then feed into other software.
Then when something like this happens & you never know what you can find.

A while back I was fascinated with tracking ships during their time in Port Hedland.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 7:14 pm

or did Putin just make that up?

I suspect Putin made that up because he’s claiming today that he’s “denazifying” Ukraine. Which is amusing since the guy acting most like a Nazi is him.

The Russian propaganda overnight is quite funny and rather over the top.

miltonf
miltonf
February 24, 2022 7:14 pm

Bolt.
Russia Russia Russia!
China China China!
Axis of evil.
Nazi reference.
Get this Dutchman a gun and a parachute.

oh gawd- yes these people are great on others going into fight

Bluey
Bluey
February 24, 2022 7:14 pm

rosiesays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:05 pm
Has there been a little civil war going on on Eastern Ukraine with some incursions into Russia for many years, as per the Washington Post article or did Putin just make that up?

Within the last week Russian border guards engaged and destroyed Ukrainian armored vehicles inside Russia. Can’t find the article where I saw it mentioned unfortunately.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:12 pm
You don’t think French resistance fighters had any moral grounds to take up arms against the German invaders?

The French Resistance were all communists, Sancho.
As a matter of fact, quite a few of them were hiding out from Franco, who was keen to have a quiet word with them over atrocities committed against Priests and Nuns during the Civil War.

LOL. Everyone in France was a ‘freedom fighter’ after the war. During the war, most frogs were compliant cowards just like we see here in Oz.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:15 pm

The barmaid races up to means asked if I knew CPR.
I said I knew the whole fucking alphabet.

Stolen.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:15 pm

Has there been a little civil war going on on Eastern Ukraine with some incursions into Russia for many years, as per the Washington Post article or did Putin just make that up?

If you count the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts as Russian territory (A thing Putin did post-facto before the first units officially moved in), then that claim would likely be accurate.

Tit-for-tat skirmishes and raids between Ukrainian Army and what-look-like-but-actually-turn-out-not-to-be-separatist-militia subunits could be interpreted as attacks on Russia, too.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:16 pm

most frogs were compliant cowards just like we see here in Oz.

Or Japan.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:16 pm

It’s not just that, Roger, it’s the inability to view a problem outside of our ideological blinkers. This situation has nothing to do with ‘liberal democracy’.

I dare say Putin wouldn’t say that.

Be that as it may, see my comment upthread about Fukuyama and the end of history for context.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:16 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:14 pm
or did Putin just make that up?

I suspect Putin made that up because he’s claiming today that he’s “denazifying” Ukraine. Which is amusing since the guy acting most like a Nazi is him.

The Russian propaganda overnight is quite funny and rather over the top.

Heh. It seems we are all ‘Nazis’ now.

Bluey
Bluey
February 24, 2022 7:16 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:14 pm
or did Putin just make that up?

I suspect Putin made that up because he’s claiming today that he’s “denazifying” Ukraine. Which is amusing since the guy acting most like a Nazi is him.

The Russian propaganda overnight is quite funny and rather over the top.

Well, there is this lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:17 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:16 pm
most frogs were compliant cowards just like we see here in Oz.

Or Japan.

Oh yeah, the Japs guzzled the Kool-Aid back in those days.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:17 pm

The French Resistance were all communists, Sancho.

Only the Maquis, Grigory.

And they were, for the most part, more interested in murdering any and all potential post-war competition than they were fighting Germans.

miltonf
miltonf
February 24, 2022 7:18 pm

nice one KD

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Choo choo man, no FDR, no CVR, just Wikipedia …you have convinced me.
Back to driving the train….CHOO CHOO.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:20 pm

The Russian propaganda overnight is quite funny and rather over the top.

The “Nazi” thing is an even stronger propaganda buzzword there than it is to us who hear it hourly.

The cultural memories of The Great Patriotic War are still very strong, and a very useful unifier.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 24, 2022 7:22 pm

I don’t care what Putin does in the east of Ukraine.
Basically the areas that voted for independence a few years back.

And then if he goes further west, we’ll clime that hill of skulls when it happens.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:22 pm

Dover, at 5.37:

You know, it might just be that the territorial settlement of Ukraine following the collapse of the USSR was simply not fit for purpose. It was before then more a administrative unit rather than a political one; majorities in the East and Crimean peninsula never wanted to be part of an independent Ukraine.

Ukraine never, ever had a solid border. The closest they had to one was when the Blue Horde had the patch in the 13th century. Before that it was the ebbing and flowing Rus. I think it was also off and on with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for a time.

Like Poland, its geographical position meant its borders changed according to whoever was strongest at the time. Like the Balfour Declaration, the latest was an administrative settlement which never pleased everyone, and whoever drew the map no doubt thought ‘Fuck it, that’ll do’ knowing that by the time serious territory disputes happened they’d either be dead or have moved to a juicy sinecure somewhere.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:22 pm

Blockquotes.

I’m blockquote-intolerant.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:24 pm

I suspect Putin made that up because he’s claiming today that he’s “denazifying” Ukraine. Which is amusing since the guy acting most like a Nazi is him.

Propaganda but based on some truth. The US has been funding Ukrainian neo-Nazi militias under various auspices since its omnibus Bill funding Ukraine, 2014. And people in that part of the world have long memories.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:24 pm

Kool-Aid

If you listen closely you can still hear the ‘whoosh’.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 7:26 pm

LOL. What invasion? Are the media blowing smoke up our asses again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJVeEF7o8Eg

will
will
February 24, 2022 7:26 pm

Blueysays:
February 24, 2022 at 5:18 pm
Rogersays:
February 24, 2022 at 5:16 pm
Caught Tom Elliott on 3AW talking about the Ukraine situation. He opined that what business is it of Russia if Ukraine wants to join NATO? This is the quality of our commentariat.


Someone should phone in and ask him what business was it of the US when the Soviets wanted to put missiles in Cuba?

Which was in response to the US putting missiles in Turkey.

so the Soviets were peacefully minding their own business when the evil USA came along with their missiles? No thoughts by the Soviets of undermining the West and enslaving their populations, like the millions of own citizens they murdered?

Old bloke
Old bloke
February 24, 2022 7:26 pm

Rex Anger says:
February 24, 2022 at 4:38 pm

Can anyone here see a credible path out of totalitarian rule for the Anglosphere?

No.

Certainly not for a time, anyway.

We still have the vote. If all fails on election day then we just have to realise that the nation is stuffed and make do with what you can into the future.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:27 pm

Tropical Cyclone Advice No. 2 from the BOM.

Look at that pissant little thing.

Just look at it. An embarrassment.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:27 pm

no FDR, no CVR

Poor, lazy little incompetent and his lazy, incompetent and ignorant anklebiting.

A Cockpit Voice Recorder will not record crew warnings and audible missile alerts in a civilian airliner. Because airliners are not fitted with Radar Warning Receivers like military aircraft are.

And what would a Flight Data Recorder tell you? The plane was flying straight and level until it suddenly was not?

Not everything is as easy as saying the J**s run all central banks because you once watched a youtube video.

Keep snorting those crayons. SNOO SNOO!

Frank
Frank
February 24, 2022 7:28 pm

Dot says:
February 24, 2022 at 6:54 pm

More a Cleveland Steamer I would say.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:29 pm

FMD. Terry McCrann on the teev.

He looks like the Red Wiggle, circa 2070.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 24, 2022 7:29 pm

Rogersays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:24 pm
…..The US has been funding Ukrainian neo-Nazi militias under various auspices since its omnibus Bill funding Ukraine, 2014. And people in that part of the world have long memories.

Barry sure had a deft touch in foreign policy matters, didn’t he.
Lucky he had that VP who was the shrewdest most experienced foreign policy strategist in Washington DC – remember that guy…?

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:29 pm

I was going to make that point Will, but that topic is a bit of a distraction atm.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:30 pm

so the Soviets were peacefully minding their own business when the evil USA came along with their missiles? No thoughts by the Soviets of undermining the West and enslaving their populations, like the millions of own citizens they murdered?

The technological gap and lack of friends was something that really grated on Moscow. Right up to the point where Fidel Castro’s Revolution in Cuba succeeded.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
February 24, 2022 7:32 pm

Fair Shake says:
February 24, 2022 at 6:46 pm

But Putin can still offset his military’s carbon emissions with his credits surely?

I can only pray that they use the correct gender pronouns and have a ceasefire for gay pride week.

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:33 pm

Choo choo man, you really are a fucking dumb shite, I never said the dues are in charge of central banks I said our governments aren’t in charge of them, how stupid can you get?
Regarding MH17, the info on those recordings is very important so just ask yourself why it has not been released in its entirety.
You should just drive trains & shut the fuck up.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:34 pm

Haha haha ha.

UAP ad on the teev. I hadn’t seen it.

Footage of Reagan saying ‘Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.’

Cut to map of Australia with a wall down the WA border. Voiceover:

‘Mr. McGowan, tear down this wall.’

That’s it. Brilliant.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
February 24, 2022 7:34 pm

Knuckle Dragger says:
February 24, 2022 at 7:27 pm

Tropical Cyclone Advice No. 2 from the BOM.

Look at that pissant little thing.

Just look at it. An embarrassment.

It’s the little cyclone that could.

Frank
Frank
February 24, 2022 7:34 pm

-John J. Mearsheimer, R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the U. of Chicago,

That would be the same Mearsheimer (and Walt) that put out that tendentious anti Israel thing in the early oughts that caused such a stink. Not that means he is wrong about this.

Bluey
Bluey
February 24, 2022 7:35 pm

willsays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:26 pm
Blueysays:
February 24, 2022 at 5:18 pm
Rogersays:
February 24, 2022 at 5:16 pm
Caught Tom Elliott on 3AW talking about the Ukraine situation. He opined that what business is it of Russia if Ukraine wants to join NATO? This is the quality of our commentariat.

Someone should phone in and ask him what business was it of the US when the Soviets wanted to put missiles in Cuba?

Which was in response to the US putting missiles in Turkey.

so the Soviets were peacefully minding their own business when the evil USA came along with their missiles? No thoughts by the Soviets of undermining the

Was pointing it out more as there is nothing so black and white in history as people tend to treat it. The Soviet union was absolutely a totalitarian state, but how anyone acts is always going to take into account more than is often recorded. It’s only a couple of decades before that the USA was supply vast amounts of material to the same government for example.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:35 pm

Lucky he had that VP who was the shrewdest most experienced foreign policy strategist in Washington DC – remember that guy…?

You mean the bloke up to his neck in dealings in the Ukraine?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 24, 2022 7:36 pm

Runnybird’s had half a Dark and Stormy.

He’ll peak in 20 minutes, then it’s nap time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 24, 2022 7:37 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 24, 2022 at 6:54 pm
From what he said the money isn’t exactly flooding back into their coffers either. It’s going to take a while to rebuild trust and much of that money is never coming back.

What’s to stop Trudeau making cash payments over $10 illegal.
India did it a few years ago.
I think that’s where this is going.

If he thought the truckers were upset, wait till he tries that one!

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 7:37 pm

Razeysays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:12 pm
Russia has liberated Ukraine from globalist occupation today. Great day for Ukraine and freedom!

We are not short of literal Russian and Chinese disinfo guys.

Poor blog.

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:38 pm

Knob dragger, go suck choo choo man’s willy.
Check your email.

Frank
Frank
February 24, 2022 7:38 pm

He looks like the Red Wiggle, circa 2070.

The original Wiggles have got the band back together and are on tour with an adults only set. Quite raunchy on occasion according to the PR.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:39 pm

You should just drive trains & shut the fuck up.

I seem to have upset the anklebiter.

Was it the crayons? I understand that folks with the habit are a little sensitive about it…

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 24, 2022 7:40 pm

We are not short of literal Russian and Chinese disinfo guys.

Settle, petal, it’s just Sancho again.

Poor blog.

You’re concern is touching.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:40 pm

Razeysays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:12 pm
Russia has liberated Ukraine from globalist occupation today. Great day for Ukraine and freedom!

Glowie confirmed.

Just not one of ours…

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:41 pm

Choo choo man, again show me proof the Australian government (taxpayers) own the RBA.
GO!

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:42 pm

Runnybird’s had half a Dark and Stormy.

He’ll peak in 20 minutes, then it’s nap time.

Knob dragger, go suck choo choo man’s willy.
Check your email.

I dunno, KD. That sounds like premature capitulation to me.

I think you can get a spray on the Internet for that…

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 24, 2022 7:42 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:12 pm
You don’t think French resistance fighters had any moral grounds to take up arms against the German invaders?

The French Resistance were all communists, Sancho.

You’re a bit dozey tonight, Dick Ed. It was rosie who made that comment.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:43 pm

Choo choo man, again show me proof the Australian government (taxpayers) own the RBA.

Why? Would it contradict the Protocol?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 24, 2022 7:44 pm

Wheat, barley and oilseed prices spike up worldwide.
Canola could hit the $1,000 tonne level and here’s me with the crop unsold.

And you all laughed when I said China was keeping its fertilizer for domestic consumption in anticipation of the Ukraine copping a flogging.
https://gro-intelligence.com/insights/russia-move-on-ukraine-spurs-wheat-prices-higher

Much will hinge on Western sanctions against Russia, which could be more severe than those imposed in 2014. Russia and Ukraine combined produce 14% of global wheat and supply 29% of all wheat exports. They also provide 17% of worldwide exports of corn. The two countries play a dominant role in world sunflower oil supplies, shipping 76% of exports. Worldwide shortages have pushed a wide range of vegetable oil prices higher, and Black Sea sunflower oil futures are up 11% so far this year.

A strong harvest would be good news for global wheat supplies, which are at their lowest level since 2013.

China hoarding super.
https://norgemining.com/2021/10/18/fertiliser-price-squeeze-china-halts-phosphate-exports/#:~:text=Some%20of%20China's%20major%20fertiliser,therefore%20the%20country's%20food%20production.
Some of China’s major fertiliser companies say they’re temporarily banning the export of phosphate – a major component of commercial fertiliser – until at least June 2022. The reason behind this move is no secret: to ensure the domestic supply of fertilisers and therefore the country’s food production.

Russia supplies a fair bit as well.
https://gro-intelligence.com/insights/russia-fertilizer-export-quotas-to-control-inflation
Russia announced plans to impose export quotas on nitrogen fertilizers to ensure domestic supplies and contain price inflation. The move could further support surging fertilizer prices worldwide and tighten global fertilizer markets already searching for supply.

Russia’s announcement is the country’s latest effort to keep domestic agricultural prices in check, after taxes on wheat exports were introduced earlier this year.

Russia plans to impose a six-month quota on various fertilizer exports. Nitrogen fertilizer exports will be limited to 5.9 million tonnes and shipments of complex fertilizers containing nitrogen to 5.35 million tonnes. The measures will begin in December.

Why a person might almost think the 2 countries had planned this sort of thing….

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:47 pm

You can’t show that info choo choo man can you?
So all you have is to throw childish insults at me you pathetic pos & have your little gang back you up.
What a fuckin wander, no wonder your greatest achievement in life is to drive a train.

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 24, 2022 7:47 pm

It’s not all that ordnance being chucked about which is imperilling Ukrainian lives.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 7:48 pm

The Ukrainian lessons for Australia are thus:

1. Nuclear armed nations do not get invaded.
2. Ukraine should have not given up their nukes.
3. Clinton actually implemented this as a peace initiative.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:49 pm

Runnybumsays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:47 pm

You really didn’t like being mocked about the crayons, did you?

Excellent… 🙂

local oaf
February 24, 2022 7:49 pm

Everyone in France was a ‘freedom fighter’ after the war.

Yeah, if we ever get out of the hole this country’s in, there will have been 15 million of us in Canberra that glorious day!

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:49 pm

Knobhead is right in one regard, I can’t be arse with this place after 7pm Brisbane time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 24, 2022 7:50 pm

Bluey

but how anyone acts is always going to take into account more than is often recorded.

Something worth remembering about government records and archives is that much that was important was never recorded, while much that was recorded was not important.

bons
bons
February 24, 2022 7:50 pm

On CPR, the Poms retained most of their red phone boxes and installed defibs which appears to be a superior use of public funds than is often the case.
Unfortunately, in the great nation of Australia they would probably be vandalised.

Frank
Frank
February 24, 2022 7:50 pm

Why a person might almost think the 2 countries had planned this sort of thing….

What chance do you imagine there is that our illustrious leaders have been planning on ways to account for the supply chain issues that have come to the fore in the last two years. They have had a while now to get onto it.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Oh that was ed.
No doubt the foundation of the Marquis was communist and in the south yes probably some Spanish Republicans, some of whom, incidentally, joined the French Army and got a very raw deal when the French capitulated but as the Germans turned the screws on the French
especially when they started forcing young Frenchmen to go work in Germany things changed.

Runnybum
Runnybum
February 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Only you find something in crayons that nobody else can decipher….you need help.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 7:51 pm

The Ukrainian lessons for Australia are thus:

4. The world is now multipolar. Bush’s New World Order is no more.

5. We can’t rely on the US to underwrite our security indefinitely.

6. The dominance of liberal democracy post the Cold War can no longer be assumed.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 7:52 pm

Haha haha ha.
UAP ad on the teev.

Must be an election coming, was robopoll called an hour ago. Clunk goes the phone handset, once I worked out what it was about. Getting any meaningful data out of robopolling must be impossible. Who wants to talk to a computer?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 7:54 pm

The world is now multipolar.

Still bipolar. Russia/China vs the West. Main issue is the subversion of the West.

Russia did a huuuge energy deal with China last week as I recall. And has been building pipelines.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 7:55 pm

Only you find something in crayons that nobody else can decipher….you need help.

Nothing to decipher about your predilection for snorting them, Dribbles.

It’s reflected in everything you post.

I can’t be arse with this place after 7pm Brisbane time.

That sounds like a flounce! 😀

Can I get the Judging Committee to the box, please?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 24, 2022 8:00 pm

KD, apart from the wind shear it is in some very good conditions to develop if it doesn’t make landfall first. Unfortunately there’s one trying to get going west of Weipa as well in a marginally less favourable environment. Like the whole season the monsoon hasn’t been particularly strong when it has dipped into our neck of the woods so one of these systems will probably wash out and the BOM thinks it will be the Queensland one at the moment.

Season is already transitioning here in NQ, some crisp nights but daytimes are still oppressive. I’d say any action will be in the Cape/Top End region now on.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:01 pm

So where are the Ukrainian refugees going to?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 8:03 pm

Russia and China are natural allies as both are now conventionally fascist. Slight differences since China came to fascism from communism whereas Russia came to fascism from a corrupt oligachy. So China is solider since the Party forms a strong base. Putin has been building his own Party as a base, it’s just not very solid.

The interesting thing is the West is also going fascist but with a mystical flavour that puts it in natural conflict with Russia/China. Maybe it would be better to call the West an emerging Gaia-version of Islam. Islam also has strong fascist features, but it too is in natural conflict with Russia/China.

The religiopolitical dynamics are fascinating, but I wish I wasn’t living in “interesting times” like these seem to be.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 8:03 pm

Still bipolar.

The US Indo-Pacific Strategy suggests they already realise that’s not the case and won’t be “going forward.” They’re calling on the rising regional middle power India to step up against China.

Roger
Roger
February 24, 2022 8:05 pm

So where are the Ukrainian refugees going to?

Australia has promised to expedite visa applications.

One of the few constructive things we can do.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 8:05 pm

Canola could hit the $1,000 tonne level and here’s me with the crop unsold.
Mercenaries don’t necessarily carry guns.

Every cloud …

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 24, 2022 8:06 pm

especially when they started forcing young Frenchmen to go work in Germany things changed.

650,000 young Frenchmen forced to go to work in Germany, plus 250,000 Prisoners of war.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 8:07 pm

So where are the Ukrainian refugees going to?

EU of course. Which will be very interesting since they’re the sort of refugees the EU doesn’t want.

Poland has been building a wall with Belarus because of the latter’s migrant invasion tactics. I would not be surprised if the EC suddenly decides they need to build a wall on the Romanian border.

MatrixTransform
February 24, 2022 8:09 pm

A semi-professional Aussie rules player has been suspended for two weeks for taking a sip of a fan’s beer

a professional would have shot-gunned the whole can

cohenite
February 24, 2022 8:09 pm

Let’s place bets on the real issues:

1 When the chunks make a move on Taiwan

2 Iran gets the bomb

Zatara
Zatara
February 24, 2022 8:27 pm

Dutch Safety Board Report on Investigation of Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17

There is a massive amount of information in there which shoots down most of the conspiracy claims on this topic. Yes, there are even the transcripts of the air traffic controllers for those particularly hung up on that for some reason.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 24, 2022 8:34 pm

Runnybumsays:
February 24, 2022 at 7:33 pm
Choo choo man, you really are a fucking dumb shite, I never said the dues are in charge of central banks I said our governments aren’t in charge of them, how stupid can you get?

The Reserve Bank is totally under the control of the Commonwealth, since it is established by Act of Parliament and can thus have anything done to it that Parliament directs.
If you mean that the Executive Government isn’t in charge of the Bank, I’d say that’s at least an oversimplification since, among other things, the Treasurer is in control of the Bank’s profits and appointments to the Bank’s Board.
The fact that governments at least pretend to let the Bank be “independent” (and the Bank often does act that way) doesn’t change the fact that the government does have ultimate control.

Reserve Bank Act 1959

14 Membership of Reserve Bank Board

(1) The Reserve Bank Board shall consist of:

(a) the Governor;

(b) the Deputy Governor;

(c) the Secretary to the Department of the Treasury; and

(d) 6 other members, who shall be appointed in writing by the Treasurer in accordance with this section.
….
30 Profits

(1) Subject to subsection (2), the net profits of the Bank in each year shall be dealt with as follows:

(aa) such amount as the Treasurer, after consultation with the Reserve Bank Board, determines is to be set aside for contingencies; and

(a) such amount as the Treasurer, after consultation with the Reserve Bank Board, determines shall be placed to the credit of the Reserve Bank Reserve Fund; and

(b) the remainder shall be paid to the Commonwealth.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:35 pm
Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
February 24, 2022 8:36 pm

It seems the threat of war is good news for goldbugs.

Spot price up 2.6% overnight to A$2670 per TOz.

Hold.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Tim

You illiterate clown.

You must have failed legislative interpretation a few times.

The Commonwealth means Jews, you idiot.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Anyone have any good links to the Russian moves into Ukraine.

A lot of dross in MSM and a lot of rehashing what we already know. So far very light on where they have crossed the border and where they are pushing to.

So far what makes sense, Russian cruise missile attacks on airstrips, ammunition storages and naval assets.

local oaf
February 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Fakebook tells me there are 100,000 temp jobs with the Electoral Commission for the upcoming federal vote.

I wonder if unvaxxed need apply?

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
February 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Who gets invaded first?

Taiwan or Ukraine?

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 8:40 pm

Probuild a victim of Andrew’s stupidity.
Entirely predictable.
And then he decided a super tax on building would be a grand idea.
Golden goose killer.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 8:41 pm

Pedro the Loafersays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:37 pm
Who gets invaded first?

Taiwan or Ukraine?

It not an invasion if the land was already theirs in the first place.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:42 pm

I am wondering if my upcoming Novavax vaccinations will give me more electoral votes than unvaccinated Australians?

Medical apartheid! Progress!

I used to be angry; now I am forlorn.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 8:43 pm

rosiesays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:40 pm
Probuild a victim of Andrew’s stupidity.
Entirely predictable.
And then he decided a super tax on building would be a grand idea.
Golden goose killer.

Typical slimy LWNJ. He has run out of other people money due to his greed and failures. Now looking for some quick cash.

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 8:43 pm

One shot = one vote dot.

johanna
johanna
February 24, 2022 8:44 pm

Fascinating to see the considered opinions here of people who a year ago wouldn’t have been able to find the Ukraine on a map – and many of them still couldn’t.

What is it about some people that the slightest prospect of war gets them hard in the groin?

The amount of confected outrage on both sides with the MSM beating the eggs up to meriunge status does not bode well for rational discussion.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 8:44 pm

Zipstersays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:38 pm
safe and effective

EU medical watchdog probes link between Pfizer and Moderna’s Covid vaccines and irregular periods after thousands of women report menstrual changes after jab

It’s a feature, not a bug.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:45 pm

It not an invasion if the land was already theirs in the first place.

So the Welsh can take over England and deanglicise them and otherwise boot them back to Anglen, Jutland, Saxony & Norway?

Razey, are you an Aboriginal supremacist? Do you think non-aboriginal Australians should be deported?

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 8:45 pm

And yet Australia is having a baby boom.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 8:47 pm

So where are the Ukrainian refugees going to?

We’ll dibs the pretty ones, right Dot? 😉

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 8:48 pm

Russia and India also cooperate together.

The current geopolitical alignment is remarkably similar to the Cold War. The difference is that now China and Russia are fascist not communist. India is still neutral with a tendency towards Russia, just as they were during the cold war regarding the Soviets.

China and Russia are not entirely bosom buddies, but they weren’t during the Cold War either. They are however much closer to each other than with anyone else (other than Iran and the Norks).

The difference now is the West has gone gangrenous, so it’s rather like 1938, but with Russia and China instead of Germany and Japan. Will be interesting to see if the West cracks out of its funk. Unfortunately I think 80 years of Fabian subversion is terminal, particularly with the crazy woke and green fads now undermining everything.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 24, 2022 8:49 pm

Probuild’s current list of projects include the Victorian Police headquarters, which is 46 levels high, pharmaceutical giant CSL’s global headquarters in Melbourne, the Exchange at Curtin University, alongside the Greenland Centre, which is Sydney’s tallest residential building.

It’s beautifully poetic.
Dan’s fucked up the Cop Colosseum.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:51 pm

Fascinating to see the considered opinions here of people who a year ago wouldn’t have been able to find the Ukraine on a map – and many of them still couldn’t.

That’s not pleasant.

What is it about some people that the slightest prospect of war gets them hard in the groin?

No war, thank you. A ceasefire and settlement ASAP is what I hope for.

Furthermore, it has got not much to do with us. Australia being involved would be insane.

Any potential conflict between the major powers is literally a threat to human survival.

This might turn very bad for Putin. Losing a guerrilla war and being actually unpopular with hailed dissenters is not a position of strength.

Putin may well end up before a firing squad.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:53 pm

One shot = one vote dot.

Israeli elections could have a carnival like atmosphere.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 8:54 pm

g a o l e d dissenters

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 24, 2022 8:54 pm

6. The dominance of liberal democracy post the Cold War can no longer be assumed.

Which liberal democracies are you talking about? I can’t think of any.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 8:55 pm

Runnybumsays:

February 24, 2022 at 7:47 pm

You can’t show that info choo choo man can you?
So all you have is to throw childish insults …

Childish insults.
Choo Choo man.
You be the JURDGE.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 24, 2022 8:55 pm

Bob Hawke lied about sending forces to Gulf War
EXCLUSIVE
Troy Bramston
Senior Writer
@TroyBramston
19 minutes ago February 24, 2022
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Bob Hawke lied about the decision to commit forces to the Gulf War in 1990. There had been no formal US request to help enforce sanctions against Iraq when Hawke offered to send navy vessels and asked George H.W. Bush to say that Australia was invited, rather than Australia invited itself.

Phone transcripts reveal that after Iraq invaded Kuwait, Hawke offered to “send three ships” if the formal request came, following informal talks between diplomats, and asked Bush to guarantee regular consultation and say that the invitation came from the US.

“At the press conference, I can say you will have your people talking with us on a more definite basis as, I understand, participation is concerned,” Hawke told Bush on August 10. “For presentation, you called me, we had a yarn, we will be working (out) participation. We indicated our willingness to be a part of it.”

The US president got the message. “We will say that I called you to request if Australians could participate,” Bush replied. “You were positive. Details will be worked out by others. We will, in seven hours, watch for the take, then we’ll make a positive suggestion.”

But when Hawke announced that Australia would send ships to the Persian Gulf, he said he had not phoned Bush. “President Bush called me this morning,” Hawke claimed. “We agreed that Australia would contribute to a multinational task force in the Gulf.” When later pressed by journalists, Hawke insisted: “No, I did not phone president Bush.”

The revelation that Australia invited itself to the Gulf War is in a new biography, Bob Hawke: Demons and Destiny, published by Viking on March 1. The book includes interviews with Bush, Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney and US secretary of state James Baker, and also excerpts from Bush’s unpublished diary.

P
P
February 24, 2022 8:56 pm

Jack Posobiec ??@JackPosobiec ·5h
Driving China and Russia together will be seen as one of the largest foreign-policy blunders in history
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1496704433324965890?cxt=HHwWhICyoZKwrsUpAAAA

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 8:56 pm

Fascinating to see the considered opinions here of people who a year ago wouldn’t have been able to find the Ukraine on a map

Johanna – We’ve been talking about the Holodomor for about forever and Grigory had the Don Cossack flag for his icon for a very long time. Much discussion over the years about the Ukrainians in the German SS and Wehrmacht (which is somewhat understandable in light of the previous decade). Add in that many of us have read histories of those specific areas going back a lot of years. I certainly have and I know likewise Zulu and Roger have read much more than me. I suspect you’ll find more well prepared people on this blog than almost anywhere.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 8:57 pm

Choo Choo man.

This insult has no standing. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 8:58 pm

Runnybumsays:

February 24, 2022 at 7:49 pm

Knobhead is right in one regard, I can’t be arse with this place after 7pm Brisbane time.

Well.
That is good to know.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
February 24, 2022 9:04 pm

A semi-professional Aussie rules player has been suspended for two weeks for taking a sip of a fan’s beer

a professional would have shot-gunned the whole can

A wonder what they would of made of Robert ‘Bones’ McGhie from Richmond FC. He liked a durry and a beer.

johanna
johanna
February 24, 2022 9:06 pm

A shower of rain here, and now the cicadas are chirruping like mad. That, and the cricket, are the sounds of summer in my Australia.

Bruce, cut the crap. That you or others on this obscure blog cared about the Ukraine years ago (which I doubt) has nothing to do with the worldwide confected outrage that we are seeing, coming out of nothing.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 9:06 pm

No war, thank you. A ceasefire and settlement ASAP is what I hope for.

Seems unlikely Dot. Reports are that Russia has landed troops at at least two Ukrainian Black Sea ports, which I think implies the Ukrainian Navy no longer exists. Plus bombing Kiev, and apparently landing paratroops at the airport, is a serious indication that this is for all the marbles.

rickw
rickw
February 24, 2022 9:06 pm

Bob Hawke lied about sending forces to Gulf War

What?! A politician lying?!

P
P
February 24, 2022 9:06 pm

Holodomor

Up to 8 million people. I cannot bring my self to watch the clips on youtube and by means that give vivid descriptions.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 9:07 pm

rosiesays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:40 pm
Probuild a victim of Andrew’s stupidity.
Entirely predictable.
And then he decided a super tax on building would be a grand idea.
Golden goose killer.

He was on Nein news pleading “Nuffink to do wiv me”.
But the words didn’t match the body language.
He was flustered.
You could almost smell it running down his leg.

flyingduk
flyingduk
February 24, 2022 9:08 pm

Yeah, if we ever get out of the hole this country’s in, there will have been 15 million of us in Canberra that glorious day!

Yeah, but there were only 18 cells in solitary….. So that leaves 17

rosie
rosie
February 24, 2022 9:10 pm

Speedbox’s considered opinion not good enough?
I don’t pretend to know much about the current situation in the Ukraine* but I am interested, not that what any of us think or say about any issue likely makes a whit of difference to what happens in the world but has never stopped us.
*I’m pretty sure I’ve flown over it once or twice.

rickw
rickw
February 24, 2022 9:10 pm

It’s beautifully poetic.
Dan’s fucked up the Cop Colosseum.

Nicely put.

miltonf
miltonf
February 24, 2022 9:10 pm

With Andrews it’s Cain-mother Russia redux- only worse this time. Just as predicted.

srr
srr
February 24, 2022 9:12 pm

“The Ukrainian lessons for Australia are thus:

1. Nuclear armed nations do not get invaded.
2. Ukraine should have not given up their nukes.
3. Clinton actually implemented this as a peace initiative.
_____________________________

Yeah, the same way Clintons implemented “peace” in Yugoslavia & Libya.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 9:13 pm

Bruce, cut the crap.

Not crap Johanna, I am just pointing out that there are many very well read people on this blog (as an extension of the original Cat).

That they take different sides is fine. There is good reason to be on one or the other just as the guys in the US Civil War chose one or other side. There’s a lot of complex history in this, but really it comes down to one man, who is getting old. He’s rolling the dice.

Unfortunately like Bel Riose in Foundation (ie. Belisarius in Justinian’s Empire), one man has a limit to what he can do. There’s a bit of truth in “psychohistory”, or perhaps better described as societal and cultural inevitability. Once Putin is gone I suspect Russia will collapse again. The place is too corrupt, and just doesn’t have the institutional strength to maintain an empire.

Old bloke
Old bloke
February 24, 2022 9:13 pm

Roger says:
February 24, 2022 at 4:54 pm

Kiev is historically the birthplace of Rus’.

Too early to tell if that is an objective presently though.

I thought that the first mention of the Rus was a reference to the Rus Vikings who were in Sweden before venturing east. They were the only Viking group who sailed east, all other Viking groups, from Sweden, Norway and Denmark, sailed west. The Rus Vikings traveled fairly widely, they were a mercenary force in Constantinople for example, so they may have sojourned for a while on the Dneiper in the Kiev region, en route from the Baltic to Constantinople.

I’ve got my own pet totally unproven theory regarding their origins, I think that they are Canaanites. There is a mention, possibly in Books of Chronicles, that the Canaanites still living in the Land partnered with the Assyrians when they expelled the northern tribes of Israel. Some were taken by sea to various places and that quite possibly included the Baltic to work in the amber trade.

The Israelites and the Canaanites previously had a good relationship, together they created the Phoenician Empire which dominated the Mediterranean, however they allied themselves with the Assyrians and played a role in the dispersal of the northern Israelites when they were expelled from the Land.

I suspect that they were overthrown by their Israelite captives in Sweden, so they sailed away to the east, and entered recorded history as the Rus Vikings.

Is it possible to prove or disprove this theory, possibly so. We know that the Canaanites who left when Joshua came into the Land migrated to northern Africa and their descendants are now known as the Berber people in north-western Africa. I’ve wondered if there is a DNA relationship between the Berbers and the Russian descendants of the Rus.

It would be hard to prove though as Russia has such a diverse ethnic mix, the Rus mingled with the Slavs, central and far eastern Asian people, Georgians and others from the Caucuses,people from the ‘stan states, eastern Europeans, etc., it would be difficult to identify who is an actual Rus descendant.

That’s probably one of those questions we won’t have answered this side of the River Styx.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 9:14 pm

Bruce, cut the crap. That you or others on this obscure blog cared about the Ukraine years ago (which I doubt) has nothing to do with the worldwide confected outrage that we are seeing, coming out of nothing.

The whole thing is bizarre. Western lefties are supporting right wing militias and calling Putin a commie, misreading his name ala “Sadam” vs “Saddam” in the 1991 Gulf War. Alt righties supporting Putin save for his policies on taxes and private land ownership, he’d ban them and gaol them. Finally, the nationalists against globalism don’t want an independent Ukraine?

Another thing to think about is how the 1991 referendum was strongly for independence, but the east of Ukraine is now pro Russian? I can’t get over Ukraine handing over their nukes (1994) at the behest of the husband of the woman hated by the alt right for interference in making the Ukraine pro western!

Finally, Ukraine is very poor and corrupt – Russia might clean it up. Ironically, Timoshenko, who Russia targeted and accused of mismanagement, had an excellent economic record.

Mind boggling.

P
P
February 24, 2022 9:23 pm

In his later years as a musician my husband worked Saturday nights at the Ukranian club at Cabramatta. I attended a few functions and Christmas parties there. Always for me a pleasant evening. Everyone was exceptionally friendly and the food was especially good.
My husband being Dutch born and having come to Aus when he was 22yrs fitted in well with the Ukranians. Everyone there treated me as one of their own. I was very impressed.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 24, 2022 9:23 pm

rosiesays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:45 pm
And yet Australia is having a baby boom.

Precisely! All the Catholic chicks on the rhythm method have been stooged by the vaxx.

You KNOW it makes sense!

Baba
Baba
February 24, 2022 9:24 pm

Is Probuild another Josh Friedeggburger triumph?

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
February 24, 2022 9:26 pm

Please no- one regard my idle speculation on the fight as well informed.

Vlads a clever turd.
The EU and US have been busy playing in what he considers his backyard and forgetting clever talk counts for bugger all when the fighting starts.

Winston Smith
February 24, 2022 9:28 pm

Rosie:

You don’t think French resistance fighters had any moral grounds to take up arms against the German invaders?

Then don a uniform like the rules say, rosie and don’t hide behind your civvie mates.

The Geneva Convention had nothing to say about Nazi reprisals against the villagers of Ordadour-sur-Glane either I suppose.

The Geneva Convention had a lot to say about the atrocity.
Postwar efforts to bring the SS men to trial were hampered by the difficulty of locating and identifying the Germans, many of whom had been subsequently killed in action, and by legal complications. Finally, in 1953, 21 of the 200 SS men were brought to trial. All but one were convicted; five of them received terms of imprisonment and two were executed.
We may not like the outcome, but it’s what happens when civilians get carried away by speech makers who don’t give a shit about the reality of the strife they arouse.
“Aux armes, citoyens!” makes for good movies, – the result is Lidice and Oradour-sur-Glane, and countless other villages.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 9:30 pm

Dotsays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:45 pm
It not an invasion if the land was already theirs in the first place.

So the Welsh can take over England and deanglicise them and otherwise boot them back to Anglen, Jutland, Saxony & Norway?

Razey, are you an Aboriginal supremacist? Do you think non-aboriginal Australians should be deported?

Why not? I demand right of return.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 24, 2022 9:31 pm

johannasays:
February 24, 2022 at 8:44 pm
Fascinating to see the considered opinions here of people who a year ago wouldn’t have been able to find the Ukraine on a map – and many of them still couldn’t.

then…

johannasays:
February 24, 2022 at 9:06 pm
A shower of rain here, and now the cicadas are chirruping like mad. That, and the cricket, are the sounds of summer in my Australia.

Bruce, cut the crap. That you or others on this obscure blog cared about the Ukraine years ago (which I doubt) has nothing to do with the worldwide confected outrage that we are seeing, coming out of nothing.

The merry sounds of goalposts being shifted are part of any season here on the Cat.

And johanna, it’s poor form to “doubt” another commenter’s veracity unless you’ve got some evidence.

JC
JC
February 24, 2022 9:33 pm

Finally, Ukraine is very poor and corrupt – Russia might clean it up. Ironically, Timoshenko, who Russia targeted and accused of mismanagement, had an excellent economic record.

Mind boggling.

It could get really freaking ugly commodity wise. Russia is a very large wheat producer and so is Ukraine. Take them out because of sanctions and it could get ugly. Russia is also a significant fertilizer producer.

miltonf
miltonf
February 24, 2022 9:33 pm

The New York Times has endorsed the notion that JK Rowling’s supposedly retrograde bio-essentialism is not merely unfashionable – it makes her very existence regrettable.– I despise what the western world has become. The old thief in DC symbolizes it perfectly

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 24, 2022 9:33 pm

Unsure about Paratroopers in Kiev but they have definitely jumped into Khakov. Was massive by the looks of the footage. Also another video of Kamovs and Mil Mi’s of some sort flying in formation near Russia’s border towards Eastern Ukraine. Other footage has T90’s on the move in the same regions, all boots on ground seems to be in the eastern regions, at present. Some footage of low flying passes by aircraft in formation in an unnamed city but with the ground based missile threat why would you over Kiev, could be old footage. Missiles are coming down all over the country on strategic assets similar to when the US softens up it targets with Tomahawks. I’ll look at it again in the morning as all the footage I have found on twitter is getting very repetitive at present.

Night all. Look in to what you guys dig up over night tomorrow.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 9:33 pm

To be honest, Probuild isn’t down to any politician.
Not ScoMo, not Andrews, not Josh.
As I understand it they were bidding fixed price with thin margins on risky projects.
Grollo went the same way a while ago.
The die was cast before Kung Flu.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
February 24, 2022 9:34 pm

Crude oil just cracked the $US 100 mark’
Gold and silver up 5% and climbing hourly.

The reading of the entrails of a sacrificial goat do not portend good times.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 24, 2022 9:34 pm

Finally, Ukraine is very poor and corrupt – Russia might clean it up

ROFL. Russia is corrupt from top to bottom. Cleaning up Ukraine is a hilarious idea. Oh yes Putin will want to install a friendly like Yanakovich again, who was kicked out because he was totally corrupt as well as being a Russophile from the east.

Dot – a lot of Ukrainians hate Russians as badly as Tutsis hate Hutus, for pretty much the same reasons. Yes a division into a cultural Russian east and a cultural Ukrainian west is potentially possible, but Russia actually reintegrating Ukraine into a reborn Tsarist Empire is a different ask in the time of the AK-47. If Putin tries it may get messy. At least one grandmother was waving an AK around last week in Kiev. I think she’d just love a piece of a Russian.

Winston Smith
February 24, 2022 9:35 pm

Old Bloke:

We still have the vote. If all fails on election day then we just have to realise that the nation is stuffed and make do with what you can into the future.

The US had the vote too.

MatrixTransform
February 24, 2022 9:35 pm

Probuild raked in $1.3 billion in revenue and made $4 million profit last year

I think I see the problem

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 9:37 pm

Russia is also a significant fertilizer producer.

This is the big one.
Who else produces fertilizer in big quantities.
Saudi?
Canadia?
Who?

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 9:37 pm

ROFL. Russia is corrupt from top to bottom. Cleaning up Ukraine is a hilarious idea. Oh yes Putin will want to install a friendly like Yanakovich again, who was kicked out because he was totally corrupt as well as being a Russophile from the east.

It’s a relative thing (but yes, read without any context, that’s actually very funny). Australia is quite corrupt, but we are saintly compared to India…and no, this isn’t analogous to different states of the former USSR.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 24, 2022 9:38 pm

Yeah, the same way Clintons implemented “peace” in Yugoslavia & Libya.

Neither Yugoslavia nor Libya had nuclear weapons, Faulty 2.0…

JC
JC
February 24, 2022 9:38 pm

That they take different sides is fine. There is good reason to be on one or the other just as the guys in the US Civil War chose one or other side.

Bullshit Brucie. There is no reason to be supporting Russia over this. And the idea that someone would support Russia/Putin because of the unacceptable nature of the western left is mind boggling. Putin is a piece of shit and always has been. He’s enriched himself to the extent that he’s now the richest man in the world by thieving off his own people – allowing the oligarchs to front for him.

JC
JC
February 24, 2022 9:39 pm

This is the big one.
Who else produces fertilizer in big quantities.
Saudi?
Canadia?
Who?

Canada and Morocco, I believe.

Frank
Frank
February 24, 2022 9:39 pm

I wonder if unvaxxed need apply?

I wonder if you need to be enrolled to vote.

Dot
Dot
February 24, 2022 9:40 pm

Dot – a lot of Ukrainians hate Russians as badly as Tutsis hate Hutus, for pretty much the same reasons. Yes a division into a cultural Russian east and a cultural Ukrainian west is potentially possible, but Russia actually reintegrating Ukraine into a reborn Tsarist Empire is a different ask in the time of the AK-47. If Putin tries it may get messy. At least one grandmother was waving an AK around last week in Kiev. I think she’d just love a piece of a Russian.

Which is why I reckon Putes might be setting himself up for failure and a firing squad. I don’t even know if this “Russian east” thing is true. Look back at the 1991 referendum.

Razey
Razey
February 24, 2022 9:42 pm

JCsays:
February 24, 2022 at 9:33 pm
Finally, Ukraine is very poor and corrupt – Russia might clean it up. Ironically, Timoshenko, who Russia targeted and accused of mismanagement, had an excellent economic record.

Mind boggling.

It could get really freaking ugly commodity wise. Russia is a very large wheat producer and so is Ukraine. Take them out because of sanctions and it could get ugly. Russia is also a significant fertilizer producer.

Gold is straight to the moon along with Peter Schiffs hardon.

Cassie of Sydney
February 24, 2022 9:43 pm

Tonight Chris Kenny started his programme by talking about Wussia, Wussia, Wussia…but, but Kenny clearly understands some of the related issues here. He acknowledges the west is weak and corrupt. Kenny showed a recent Russian army recruitment advertisement and compared to a recent woke, very woke US army recruitment advertisement. The advertisements say it all.

Oh and many of us could easily find Ukraine on a map and many of us know its history. I know some of its history, and I know about its Jewish history, a history of pogroms and genocide but also a rich cultural Jewish history. Kiev is the spiritual centre of Russian orthodoxy. Once upon a time Ukraine was part of the Commonwealth of Lithuania and later it formed part of the Pale of Settlement, both of which stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 24, 2022 9:43 pm

Probuild raked in $1.3 billion in revenue and made $4 million profit last year

Was talking to a builder mate today and we had both seen that.

And I will bet there was a bit of heavy lifting in the Creative Department to get it from -100 to +4.
Margin of 0.3% when it should be 15% on their projects.
The Brisbane high-rise is 65% complete you say?
I reckon it might be 72%.
Learning curve … embedded value in services instal … yada yada.

calli
calli
February 24, 2022 9:43 pm

Thanks for the commentary, Cats.

JC
JC
February 24, 2022 9:44 pm

Pedro the Loafer says:
February 24, 2022 at 9:34 pm

Crude oil just cracked the $US 100 mark’

Here’s the thing I think some have misunderstood about the Brandon Administration. I’m not sure where the cut off level is that would make the Brandons concerned because of the electoral impact. The Brandons would have welcomed higher fossil fuel prices because it meant more pain through consumption and hopefully persuading folks towards EVs.

shatterzzz
February 24, 2022 9:44 pm

just watched episodes 1 & 2 of THE GILDED AGE .. excellent & absolute class production! .. settings, storyline(s) and acting all topline and if you like period drama the best I’ve seen in quite awhile .. American made yet not only equals but surpasses a lot of the, usual, British made historical genre .. 10/10
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4406178/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

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